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Jermaine Dupri, Dr. Holly Carter, Jillyan Moor & John Hope Bryant · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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Speaker 1: this week all Grammy Award. When he songwriter Jermaine dupri
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Speaker 1: about putting forth effort. My next guest is multi Grammy
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Speaker 1: Award winning producer Jermaine dupri with over four hundred million
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Speaker 1: records sold to date, dupri a member of the Songwriters
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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, is one of the most successful producers
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Speaker 1: in the music industry. He is currently in the studio
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Speaker 1: with Justin timber Lake and my Man Anthony Hamilton's working
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Speaker 1: on their next project. In addition to as many TV ventures,
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Speaker 1: Jermaine was one of the first hip hop DJ's to
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Speaker 1: hold a five year residency at the Wind Casino in
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Speaker 1: Las Vegas. That's a bad hotel, those Vegas. We have
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Speaker 1: a lot to talk about, including Jermaine's being a vegan
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Speaker 1: for fifteen years and his partnership with the plant based
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Speaker 1: lifetile platform Debat. Please work with The Money Making Conversation.
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Speaker 1: The founder of Social Death Recordings and Management, Jermaine dupri
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Speaker 1: Yo Yo, thank you for that. Great Hey, Jermaine, here's
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Speaker 1: the sad one. But I left out a lot. I
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Speaker 1: left out a lot. That's I might still send it
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Speaker 1: to somebody else I do the next anything. I follow
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Speaker 1: you around, I follow around a little band, a little
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Speaker 1: a little band, follow around. You deserve it. Man. When
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Speaker 1: I think about the music and impact and people you've
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Speaker 1: impacted over years and being a corner stone for the
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Speaker 1: Atlanta music, just just just just can you surmise what
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Speaker 1: you expected when you got in it and where you're
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Speaker 1: standing right now in your career. Um, I mean I
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Speaker 1: expect a lot that happened. I expected. I really just
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Speaker 1: expected to exist, you know. Um and and that's all
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Speaker 1: I really wanted to do, just exist and be in it.
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Speaker 1: And um, just like any other young kid or whatever
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Speaker 1: that you just want to be in it. You want
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Speaker 1: to be um all in it by the way, um
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Speaker 1: and UM, I think one thing led to the next day.
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Speaker 1: I just put me in a position where I saw
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Speaker 1: the front of the line. I saw the front of
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Speaker 1: the line being something that attainable. Right to get the
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Speaker 1: front of the lines is attainable once I got in
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Speaker 1: And I'm like, if you put this much more work
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Speaker 1: into it. You can get to the front of the line,
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Speaker 1: or you can get in the conversation with the people
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Speaker 1: that's in the front of the line. And that's that's
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Speaker 1: that's that's what became my goal once I got in
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Speaker 1: the game. And when you're you're definitely in the game
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Speaker 1: and a leader in the game. When I when I
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Speaker 1: talk about this has been an amazing year for us emotionally, physically,
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Speaker 1: especially with COVID nineteen. Emotionally dealing with COVID nineteen, and
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Speaker 1: then you're in the music business and you see what
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Speaker 1: happened to George Floyd that emotion Where were you ad
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Speaker 1: emotionally with that whole aspect? And was that a responsibility
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Speaker 1: to try to put something out there in the music
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Speaker 1: world that can basically say how you feel or how
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Speaker 1: America feels at that point feeling right now? I think
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Speaker 1: the key word that you use is responsibility. UM. I
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Speaker 1: looked at both the situation as it was sponsibility from UM,
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Speaker 1: the black community as well as the music community as
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Speaker 1: well as UM every other community this out there. I
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Speaker 1: feel like we as people, we have to take responsibility
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Speaker 1: UM and UM. It struck me in that and and
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Speaker 1: that's the chord that it actually struck What's what responsibility
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Speaker 1: am I gonna take in this? Uh? And it took
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Speaker 1: me a minute to really figure it out, like should
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Speaker 1: I say something? Do I want to be political? Do
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Speaker 1: I want people to even think that I have? I have?
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Speaker 1: I stayed away from that in my career, and um,
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Speaker 1: because because I felt like I wanted you to always
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Speaker 1: believe that I was just in the middle. You know, politics,
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Speaker 1: as you see now, it's got people where people find
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Speaker 1: out who you're voting for and they don't even like
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Speaker 1: you no more. It shouldn't be in that space, but
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Speaker 1: that's where I've always felt the energy. So I always
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Speaker 1: kind of like I kept my comments politically to myself.
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Speaker 1: I've been a voting a person loans, I've been voting
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Speaker 1: as long as I could vote, but I never was
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Speaker 1: open openly about what was going on. And this this
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Speaker 1: put me in a position where I felt like, Um,
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Speaker 1: if I have made it to the front of that
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Speaker 1: line that I was talking about prior, and if I
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Speaker 1: am one of these people that are in the conversation
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Speaker 1: with the people at the front of the line, um,
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Speaker 1: the people that I look up to that's at the
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Speaker 1: front of the line, in their past, they have done
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Speaker 1: things that soundtrack a time like this that we was
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Speaker 1: going through. And I looked at myself and I looked
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Speaker 1: at my other peers, Jontay, Brian Cox, uh, people around me,
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Speaker 1: and I was just like, we we are not acting
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Speaker 1: like people at the front of the line. Were acting
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Speaker 1: like guys that's in the back of the line, still
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Speaker 1: looking for somebody at the front of the line to
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Speaker 1: do something. So, um, I just asked myself, if I'm
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Speaker 1: really do I feel like I'm at the front of
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Speaker 1: the line. If I feel like I'm at the front
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Speaker 1: of line, then I gotta do something do I Does
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Speaker 1: it matter what the outcome of what it is that
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Speaker 1: you do. Know what matters is that you take that
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Speaker 1: step to show that you are at the front of
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Speaker 1: the line and this is what people on the front
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Speaker 1: line should basically be doing. It's it's amazing that you
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Speaker 1: you speak like that, because it really is about taking
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Speaker 1: a step and this is not about you don't know
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Speaker 1: what the results of that step. Maybe Germaine you know,
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Speaker 1: but when you wake up, you want to know I
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Speaker 1: did And that's the key where I did. I did
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Speaker 1: something that was important to me. It is important to
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Speaker 1: my family important to my vision because again I don't
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Speaker 1: tell people who I vote for. I don't ask my
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Speaker 1: employees to tell me who they are voted for. There's
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Speaker 1: their decision. That doesn't mean they are wrong people. But
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Speaker 1: like you said, nowadays it's so divisive. You know. You know,
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Speaker 1: we're a Republican now you're a Democrat. If you're Democratic,
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Speaker 1: then you're good. If you're Republican, you're stupid or your
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Speaker 1: or you could be considered a redneck or you considered
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Speaker 1: deplorables like they would saying a long time ago when
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Speaker 1: when Hillary Clinton was running for a presidency. So it
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Speaker 1: really is in the point. But that's why I say
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Speaker 1: music is so emotionally driven Jermaine. It really puts you
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Speaker 1: in a way, you know, especially with COVID clubs being
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Speaker 1: shut down. You know dance music. Is that Is that
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Speaker 1: a record that somebody wants to drop right now? Something
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Speaker 1: they can get you bouncing? Or do you stay with this?
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Speaker 1: You know this this slow motion music of saying a
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Speaker 1: change is about to come, you know, doing Sam Cook
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Speaker 1: doing Marvin Gay? What is that? What is that beat?
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Speaker 1: Right now? Because you're a studio with two very talented guys,
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Speaker 1: justin timber Lay and Anthony Hamilton's two guys who are
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Speaker 1: just very different. That's what that's what speaks to your genius,
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Speaker 1: but have a voice that is very recognizable in this industry. Yeah, um,
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the beat, the beat is what
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Speaker 1: you what. The beat is always what you wanted to be.
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Speaker 1: You pay attention to what's going on just because of
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Speaker 1: what's going on, just so you could be that person
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Speaker 1: to know what's going on. But you as you, as
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Speaker 1: the driver of the ship, you have to dictate what
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Speaker 1: what it is that people go to next hopefully, um,
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Speaker 1: and you gotta put your all and your belief into
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Speaker 1: that movement so that people pay attention to the belief.
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Speaker 1: Like that's one thing that I think people understand. People
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Speaker 1: pay attention more to belief than they pay attention to
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Speaker 1: the actual action. If you leave in your action, that's
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Speaker 1: the one thing that people believe in. That's what people
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Speaker 1: pay attention to them. Sorry, they pay attention to the belief.
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Speaker 1: Like every time I put out an artist, whether it's
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Speaker 1: been Crisscrossed, the Brat Escape, Jaggeted, whoever it is, I
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Speaker 1: think people pay attention to my belief. They're paying attention
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Speaker 1: to the way that I believe that these artists are
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Speaker 1: gonna achieve or or they're gonna succeed. Um, people might
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Speaker 1: not be paying attention to the talent. So what they
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Speaker 1: believe that Jermaine believe is in this artists really really,
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Speaker 1: he really believes in these kids. He really believes that
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Speaker 1: they're gonna be something, and people pay attention to that.
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Speaker 1: Once you pay attention to the belief, once you get
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Speaker 1: people paying attention to the belief, that's that's what it is.
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Speaker 1: So as far as staring the beat and what it is,
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Speaker 1: it's really like, you know, I could say this though,
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Speaker 1: I can say that the industry and I feel like
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Speaker 1: the world for me anyway, the world was ready for
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Speaker 1: all of the young artists of the world to step
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Speaker 1: up to the plate and make something, make a soundtrack
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Speaker 1: for this era. That's what I can't say. Um, you
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Speaker 1: can't you can't be in Um. You can listen to
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Speaker 1: Sam Cook and you can listen to Marvin Gay, but
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Speaker 1: those records weren't made for this time that we're in.
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Speaker 1: Those records was made for a time that we don't
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Speaker 1: live in. You you can't be scared to make music
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Speaker 1: for this time that we're in. But you know, it's
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Speaker 1: sad that it sounds like it is made for this time.
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Speaker 1: It sounds like you know, that's the sad part about it.
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Speaker 1: Like I said, repeating history, like I said, you know,
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Speaker 1: like I said, mother, Mother, that fought too many of
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Speaker 1: you crying, brother, brother, that fought too many of you dying.
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Speaker 1: That's more I've engaged track And that's this lyric. But
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Speaker 1: when you look at you, you do you know your songwriter?
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Speaker 1: Remember the song Writer Hall of Fame. And in my
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Speaker 1: world they say that's mailbox money, and mail box money
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Speaker 1: means that the checks come while you're sleeping, if I'm
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Speaker 1: not mistaken. Now, covid HIT live events shut down, how
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Speaker 1: does that affect your career in the industry that you're in?
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Speaker 1: When covid hit they said you have to shut down.
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Speaker 1: Then he says, opening back up, now shutting Well, you
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Speaker 1: just spoke, You just spoke about it, and you're actually
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Speaker 1: one of the first people that I've actually heard say that,
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Speaker 1: you know, um, covid hit. And that's where the tension went.
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Speaker 1: Went straight to my mailbox because that's what I am.
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Speaker 1: I'm a songwriter that's written songs that goes to the mailbox.
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Speaker 1: And picks up that that that mailbox check every every
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Speaker 1: month or every whatever it comes. You know, you don't know,
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Speaker 1: you know, you don't know how freak when it is.
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Speaker 1: But if you write enough records and you write enough
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Speaker 1: hit records, um that check is is that check is
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Speaker 1: definitely there. And it's another one that comes right after that,
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Speaker 1: and there's another one comes right after that. And I think,
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Speaker 1: for the first time in my career, this is the
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Speaker 1: first time that I actually paid attention to that because
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Speaker 1: I always was getting money so many multiple places I
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Speaker 1: made attention to it. But I mean, now it's like
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Speaker 1: that's the focus. The focus is. The focus of my
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Speaker 1: life is the mailbox, and the focus of my life
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Speaker 1: is to create more music that I could put out
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to money making conversations. Um, your host, Sean McDonald,
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Speaker 1: that's part of your legacy. Then that's like you said
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Speaker 1: that mailbox money is uh, it's something that black people
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Speaker 1: unaware of, you know, because we are our Steve Harvad said,
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Speaker 1: all right, we still call us that working wealthy. As
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Speaker 1: long as we hit the stage, as long as we
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Speaker 1: do a concert, as long as we on the TV show,
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Speaker 1: we're wealthy because physically we're doing the job. But there
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Speaker 1: are some advantages that you have. You have a skill set, Jermaine,
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Speaker 1: where you are out there taking those god get those
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Speaker 1: godly talents and writing music and producing And how did
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Speaker 1: that become such a gift for you? Because just dropping
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Speaker 1: diambs down on young people out there who need to know,
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Speaker 1: who want to be their version of Jermaine dupri What
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Speaker 1: is it? Is? It is? It is? It is getting connected?
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Speaker 1: Is the relationships or what is it that makes Germaine
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Speaker 1: dupre domain dupret um understanding? I think you know, Like
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Speaker 1: I said, I called a bunch of people to day
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Speaker 1: a lot of things going on in the industry to
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Speaker 1: data I don't that I don't like, nor do I
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Speaker 1: understand why it's happening. And I called a couple of
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Speaker 1: my friends at different labels to ask the questions about
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Speaker 1: why I see these things happening. And I told them
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Speaker 1: that I'm in school. Basically, I told him, Hey, I'm
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm at home and I'm doing home school
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Speaker 1: and I need answers. And they thought it was a joke,
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Speaker 1: you know, people laughing human But I'm honestly, I'm I'm
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Speaker 1: I'm being honest about it because I you know, we're
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Speaker 1: in an era where the young people believe they know
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Speaker 1: exactly what's going on, and they use the old people
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Speaker 1: to get what they want. But they don't believe the
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Speaker 1: old people know what they're talking about, right, And that's
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Speaker 1: that's that's the era that we're in. But then the
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Speaker 1: young people's results ain't nothing like the older people's results.
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Speaker 1: They need to get to and and the older people,
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Speaker 1: and the older people are too scared to say something
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Speaker 1: to the young people because it's gonna make them look
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Speaker 1: like they're old. And they're scared to say something to
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Speaker 1: the young people. They don't want the young people to
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Speaker 1: feel they're bad side. They want to stay on the
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Speaker 1: good side of the young people, you know. So I'm
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Speaker 1: I'm studying this, I'm watching and that's basically what I've
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Speaker 1: done my whole career. I just studied, I watched, I study,
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Speaker 1: I watched, I learned, I asked questions and I and
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Speaker 1: I and I want to I just want to see
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Speaker 1: what what like, you know, let me hear your answer,
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Speaker 1: let me hear young. And I take each one of
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Speaker 1: these answers and I tum up my own answer. You
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Speaker 1: know what makes you? What makes you special? Germaine? Hopefully
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Speaker 1: mind me complimenting you that you're authentic, okay, and you're topical.
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Speaker 1: See when you're authentic and your topical age doesn't matter
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Speaker 1: and you don't have to play that game that I'm
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Speaker 1: younger than what I am because you're authentic and people
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Speaker 1: come to toppy in the relevancy of being topical was
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Speaker 1: very important because it means you know what's going on today,
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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you know with me, not the
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Speaker 1: country up, I think with me. The difference with the
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Speaker 1: whole relevancy and young and all that is that when
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Speaker 1: I started in this business, nobody wanted to talk to
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Speaker 1: me because I was so young. When I started in
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Speaker 1: this business, people thought I was crazy because I was
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Speaker 1: so young. Show as moving forward, I don't ever feel
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Speaker 1: like I'm old. I don't even feel like I definitely
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Speaker 1: don't feel like it's a younger person smarter than me,
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Speaker 1: because you know, I had to go through I had
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Speaker 1: to go through so much as a younger person to
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Speaker 1: get older people to even have a conversation with you, right,
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Speaker 1: So therefore I listened to younger people because they have
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Speaker 1: great ideas, and young people have amazing ideas, but the
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Speaker 1: execution of them ideas when you're young, you don't know
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Speaker 1: how to do it. I mean me as one I was.
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Speaker 1: I was I had TLC and Chris Cross at the
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Speaker 1: same time, and I was young enough to have the artists,
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Speaker 1: but I was too young to know what to do
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Speaker 1: with both of them at the same time. You know what,
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Speaker 1: they believe me, you know, I wouldn't call you no,
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Speaker 1: no, no no, no, no no no, no no. I know, I know.
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm saying I'm glad you said it, because like
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Speaker 1: I don't. I never feel like that anyway. There's those
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Speaker 1: things don't even like I think people think I think
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Speaker 1: about it, but I don't know, because I always I
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Speaker 1: don't think people understand where I came from. When I
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Speaker 1: first made Criss Cross, I was seventeen years old, um,
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Speaker 1: and for a seventeen year old kid to produce a
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Speaker 1: whole album on some kids that weren't even teenagers, it
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Speaker 1: was the most unheard of thing in the music business
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Speaker 1: ever at the time when I did it, So I
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Speaker 1: couldn't get nobody that was at the front of that
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Speaker 1: line to even have a conversation with me. We just
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Speaker 1: had to find people that would. I had to find
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Speaker 1: somebody that believed, like I said, that believed in my
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Speaker 1: belief with Criss Cross Out. But the other people at
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Speaker 1: the front of the line, they didn't. They didn't believe
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Speaker 1: in what I was looking at you. That's what I
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Speaker 1: love about what when the conversation that we have, it
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Speaker 1: sustainabilit of it a sustaining sound, you know. And when
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Speaker 1: I say that, when I when I listened to it,
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Speaker 1: if you just just just when you said, Cris Crows
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Speaker 1: Jump Jump came into my head, that beat still moves me,
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Speaker 1: still feel comfortable, doesn't feel date. It the sounds of
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Speaker 1: TLC does not feel dated. It feels like it comes
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Speaker 1: on the radio. Go that moves me. That that has
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Speaker 1: to be very proud a moment of you that your
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Speaker 1: music has a stands the time, you know, because we
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Speaker 1: all know. Man, when when you're like I said, I
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Speaker 1: mentioned Sam Cook song, that song, well, twenty years from now,
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Speaker 1: how are you doing this? Carl? I'm well, how are
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Speaker 1: you come on? Na? That is not the Holly, don't
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Speaker 1: You like? Oh? Really? So can you get your audience
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31:10
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31:47
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32:28
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32:55
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33:01
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33:16
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33:18
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33:21
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33:23
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33:26
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33:28
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33:31
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33:38
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33:42
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33:45
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33:50
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33:53
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33:55
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33:59
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34:02
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34:06
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34:08
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34:10
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34:13
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34:16
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34:21
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34:24
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34:26
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34:30
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34:33
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34:41
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34:46
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34:49
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34:53
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Speaker 1: there out of respect because of the fact that you
37:29
Speaker 1: had a voice and you were creating a voice that
37:31
Speaker 1: wasn't you know. You know you can make money and pop,
37:34
Speaker 1: you can make money in R and B. That gospel
37:36
Speaker 1: money kind of comes slow. You know, got to convince
37:39
Speaker 1: people to line up and participate. You know, sponsors don't
37:42
Speaker 1: exactly jump on board for you would think they would,
37:45
Speaker 1: because it's all about feeling good. It's all about the
37:48
Speaker 1: uplift inspirational. You think they line up, but that laid
37:51
Speaker 1: the groundwork for your credibility and all this and when
37:55
Speaker 1: you start lining up these gospel projects that you involved in,
37:58
Speaker 1: but then it also allows you across over to non
38:01
Speaker 1: secular projects. A lot of people aren't walking in line
38:04
Speaker 1: like you're doing it right now. Talk about the merge projects, Well,
38:08
Speaker 1: the merge was really um uh an idea God gave
38:13
Speaker 1: me over twelve or probably over fifteen years ago, and
38:18
Speaker 1: I sat on it for a while because I felt
38:20
Speaker 1: like it was too big of an undertaking. But the
38:23
Speaker 1: whole idea of it was to be able to cross
38:28
Speaker 1: you know, faith and secular or faith and the commercial
38:32
Speaker 1: sectors together in an effort to merge opportunity. I wanted
38:37
Speaker 1: to bring opportunity to those who were sitting on the
38:39
Speaker 1: pews of the church who really wanted to connect with
38:43
Speaker 1: Hollywood but didn't have access. And so that kind of
38:47
Speaker 1: that that idea has kind of, you know, spun into
38:50
Speaker 1: the rest of what I do. I always want to
38:53
Speaker 1: bring faith and entertainment together, which is why most of
38:58
Speaker 1: the projects that I do are aspirationally driven, redemptive in nature,
39:04
Speaker 1: but at the same time entertaining, well, very entertaining. And
39:08
Speaker 1: so when when the number because when the numbers came
39:10
Speaker 1: in on the First Ladies of Gospel, there's always expectation.
39:14
Speaker 1: First of all, you want people to watch it. Okay,
39:16
Speaker 1: that's the number one thing, you know. So when the
39:19
Speaker 1: numbers came in the way they came in, what was
39:21
Speaker 1: the ground swell around you and the Clark's Sisters involvement. Um,
39:29
Speaker 1: it was a huge ground swell, you know, the the
39:31
Speaker 1: excitement around it, the hype, the fact that it touched
39:36
Speaker 1: so many people, and the fact that it um you know,
39:41
Speaker 1: it was uh widely watched and um it just it
39:47
Speaker 1: garnered so many other opportunities because it was like you
39:53
Speaker 1: build it, they come, And when it was built and
39:55
Speaker 1: they came, others were like Oh, they come, let's do
40:00
Speaker 1: this together. You know. So that's kind of that's kind
40:04
Speaker 1: of what it was, all this excitement. You're on't fire,
40:09
Speaker 1: the world's don't fight, the numbers in place, COVID hits
40:12
Speaker 1: Lord and mercy. Nobody saw that coming shut us down.
40:17
Speaker 1: How did that impact you? And how did you deal
40:19
Speaker 1: from a family perspective and a professional perspective with covid.
40:24
Speaker 1: Um you just make the adjustment, you know. I think
40:28
Speaker 1: I think the whole pandemic has been an opportunity to
40:34
Speaker 1: reset um kind of to renew UH and to return
40:40
Speaker 1: to some of the things that we might have moved
40:43
Speaker 1: away from. UM. It certainly caused you to rethink um,
40:50
Speaker 1: how to do life, how to do family, and how
40:53
Speaker 1: to do business and UM. You know it is it
40:58
Speaker 1: is the word said it's required of a steward to
41:00
Speaker 1: be found faithful. And so for me, you know, I
41:03
Speaker 1: want to be found faithful in everything that presents itself.
41:09
Speaker 1: So that was just another challenge to say, you know,
41:12
Speaker 1: this is life. How are you going to make the adjustment?
41:15
Speaker 1: And while it was very very difficult for us as
41:21
Speaker 1: a as a country, as a you know, as as Americans,
41:26
Speaker 1: it was also something very intentional about it in terms
41:31
Speaker 1: of returning us to our first love would never be said.
41:39
Speaker 1: You know, we have owned special. The holidays were Thanksgiving,
41:42
Speaker 1: now going into the Christmas holidays, and you have a
41:45
Speaker 1: holiday special coming up on own. Tell us how that
41:48
Speaker 1: come to that point and tell us about it. Uh, Well,
41:51
Speaker 1: after the success of the Clark's Sisters, Um, that conversation
41:56
Speaker 1: happened at O. However, the conversation at had happened a
42:01
Speaker 1: year prior, um, you know, and the President was like, oh,
42:06
Speaker 1: this was already in my head because I remember sitting
42:10
Speaker 1: with her and her words, her last words were we're
42:14
Speaker 1: gonna work together. And after the Clock's Sisters happened, it
42:20
Speaker 1: was like, and now it's time. So uh, that's kind
42:26
Speaker 1: of how that came together. And then, um, the two
42:29
Speaker 1: specials that our own Christmas which airs December one, six
42:33
Speaker 1: pm Pacific nine pm Easter stamp time, and of course
42:38
Speaker 1: our own Easter which airs Easter holiday, Um, you know,
42:42
Speaker 1: going into Easter. So um, it's been wonderful. Doing gospel
42:46
Speaker 1: at own is has been awesome because they let me
42:51
Speaker 1: do what what we do and it's been a really
42:55
Speaker 1: great partnership. I Mean they're like, okay, you know this world,
42:58
Speaker 1: you go do it here some of our notes. But
43:01
Speaker 1: other than that, congratulations, congratulations. Okay, you're a big time producer.
43:06
Speaker 1: People come to you with projects. People got everybody got
43:09
Speaker 1: a good idea of bad ideas. Sometimes you gotta hear
43:11
Speaker 1: the bad idea to get to the good idea. What
43:13
Speaker 1: do I what do you look for when people are
43:15
Speaker 1: pitching your projects? I look for things that are on
43:18
Speaker 1: brand with what I believe in and what I want
43:21
Speaker 1: to put my name on. Uh. And that has to
43:24
Speaker 1: do with empowerment, aspiration, redemptive storytelling. Um, I'm you know,
43:31
Speaker 1: I'm really specific. There are things that I just will
43:33
Speaker 1: not do, and then there are things that I'm like, Yes,
43:36
Speaker 1: this is me and what is what is that? Okay,
43:39
Speaker 1: we've we've talked about the secular, combining the secular and
43:42
Speaker 1: the gospel together. That's what Merge was all about. Now,
43:46
Speaker 1: now you're looking at you. You are you are you?
43:48
Speaker 1: Would you like to believe that you still have that
43:51
Speaker 1: perfect balance where you can be able to go either
43:53
Speaker 1: way and feel comfortable and still maintain credibility with your brand. Yes,
43:58
Speaker 1: as long as I'm intentional about uh when I go
44:01
Speaker 1: the other way. But but even when I go the
44:04
Speaker 1: other way, they're it's still gonna always have to be align. Uh,
44:10
Speaker 1: you know a thread of what my beliefs are because
44:15
Speaker 1: you know, I just couldn't do anything and then still
44:20
Speaker 1: stand by. You know, what has gotten me this far
44:25
Speaker 1: and that and that for me is UM compromise. You know,
44:30
Speaker 1: there are things that I am not willing to compromise
44:34
Speaker 1: in order to achieve a certain thing. If I can't
44:38
Speaker 1: achieve it by being true to what I believe and
44:41
Speaker 1: true to UM what I stand behind, then I don't
44:45
Speaker 1: do it. Well. The great thing about what you're doing
44:48
Speaker 1: is now you started out in casting, then you started
44:51
Speaker 1: out in talent management. Is that still on your horizon?
44:54
Speaker 1: Talent development, talent managing, talent Well, I still manage here.
45:00
Speaker 1: She's somewhat that's family to me, so I'll always be.
45:03
Speaker 1: I will always touch her career in some way. But
45:06
Speaker 1: in terms of other talent, I do talent partnerships, and
45:09
Speaker 1: those talent partnerships UM are strictly to curate content around
45:15
Speaker 1: their brand and create opportunities that UM you know, further
45:20
Speaker 1: UM their brand in the marketplace. But but day to
45:23
Speaker 1: day management, no, I don't do that, and I'm sure
45:27
Speaker 1: back around. I think you're getting a little closer. I
45:31
Speaker 1: understand that feeling young ladies, I understand that. Well. She
45:33
Speaker 1: has a first look deal with OWN. Two holiday specials,
45:36
Speaker 1: one appearance Deceper first on Own, the next coming in
45:40
Speaker 1: Easter Break. I want to bring you back in the
45:42
Speaker 1: easter Holly excuse me, Dr Holly Carter. Uh. Proud of you,
45:47
Speaker 1: you know, you know, fantastic. Uh yeah, just keep winning
45:50
Speaker 1: and keep your brand. I'm gonna keep supporting your brand
45:54
Speaker 1: and just watching you grow like this. And you know
45:56
Speaker 1: what really makes me feel good because I know how
45:58
Speaker 1: this business one big hustle, and so you and and
46:02
Speaker 1: for you to sit up and then you just tell
46:03
Speaker 1: me Own and say, hey, you do what you do
46:05
Speaker 1: to me. I know how powerful it is. I know
46:08
Speaker 1: we fight for that ability to have that level of
46:11
Speaker 1: trust at that network level. And Owned is a powerful network,
46:14
Speaker 1: my friend. And you know that. And so for somebody
46:17
Speaker 1: to tell you that, I can only say, I'm so
46:19
Speaker 1: proud that I was able to hear the word. And
46:21
Speaker 1: you told me, Rashane, I have a network over here
46:24
Speaker 1: by the way that's owned by Oprah, and they tell
46:26
Speaker 1: me do what I do. And guess what I'm gonna
46:28
Speaker 1: keep doing it and congratulations. Okay, thank you appreciate. My
46:34
Speaker 1: next guest, John Hope Bryant is the founder, chairman, and
46:37
Speaker 1: chief executive officer of Operation Hope, Inc. A global nonprofit
46:41
Speaker 1: headquartered in Atlanta, Georgia. Birth just under three decades ago
46:45
Speaker 1: in response to the despair and destruction of the Los
46:49
Speaker 1: Angeles riots and spursed just starts at home. But we
46:51
Speaker 1: should all understand that at such an early age, the
46:54
Speaker 1: fact that his mother told him she loved him every
46:56
Speaker 1: day ensure that he didn't have a self esteem problem.
47:00
Speaker 1: The fact that his dad was a business owner for
47:01
Speaker 1: fifty four years gave him a real example of being
47:05
Speaker 1: an entrepreneur. So through him he had the sense of this,
47:08
Speaker 1: yes I am and yes I can. John Holt, brian
47:11
Speaker 1: work has been recognized by five past US presidents, and
47:15
Speaker 1: you served as an adviser to three past sitting US presidents.
47:18
Speaker 1: A mentor too many, Brian is dedicated to sharing his
47:21
Speaker 1: failures and successes in life and business to empower the
47:24
Speaker 1: next generation of entrepreneurs and world changers. Please work with
47:28
Speaker 1: the money Making Conversation, my friend John Hope. Brian hey
47:33
Speaker 1: shawan otto to be with you man, Thanks for doing
47:35
Speaker 1: what you do well, thank you for getting on this call.
47:38
Speaker 1: So where yet right now and what's at the top
47:40
Speaker 1: of the list in the middle of the pandemic for you?
47:43
Speaker 1: I am in Atlanta, Georgia, which I believe is the
47:47
Speaker 1: moral center for America, is a moral capital for America.
47:51
Speaker 1: That's where we got our It's where the Civil War
47:55
Speaker 1: was concluded, the March to the Sea, the Battle for
47:58
Speaker 1: the March of the Sea. U s. Where civil rights
48:02
Speaker 1: for black people were was born with the civil rights movement.
48:07
Speaker 1: Uh It's where the largest population of black wealth is today,
48:12
Speaker 1: which I think is the beginning of what I call
48:15
Speaker 1: the Silver Rights movement. S I l V E. R.
48:19
Speaker 1: Moving in the in the suites about economics, power, ownership
48:23
Speaker 1: and opportunity that matches, and moving in the streets, which
48:26
Speaker 1: was about basic decency and dignity, respecting the access. Uh So,
48:31
Speaker 1: I just think we're sitting in the moment in history,
48:33
Speaker 1: my man, but we don't. We don't see it for
48:36
Speaker 1: what it is at the moment. Well, you know, when
48:38
Speaker 1: you talk about the black wealth, you know the Tulsa riots,
48:41
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say the riots of the massacre when he
48:44
Speaker 1: had a black Wall Street in Tulsa, and the blacks
48:48
Speaker 1: were being um stopped from achieving success financially, socially and
48:54
Speaker 1: being recognized for their intelligence, the ability to be entrepreneurs.
48:58
Speaker 1: And that's what we're fighting today. We're fighting, uh, the
49:00
Speaker 1: message that we participate. How can we overcome the stigma
49:05
Speaker 1: that you know, I want to have to say this.
49:06
Speaker 1: White America keeps trying to say black people don't participate. Well,
49:11
Speaker 1: we gotta get our minds right, ma man. And that's
49:14
Speaker 1: one of the reasons that I wanted to do your show,
49:16
Speaker 1: and the one of the reasons I bought I wrote
49:18
Speaker 1: the book. Uh, it's now bestseller that came out Living
49:21
Speaker 1: a month ago, called Up from Nothing. They're untold story
49:24
Speaker 1: of how we all succeed. It's all about mindset. So
49:28
Speaker 1: let's go back from Let's go back to the Tulsa
49:30
Speaker 1: example you gave. You know, I get frustrated with people
49:34
Speaker 1: saying Tulsa, Oklahoma, the black Wall Street because that's every
49:40
Speaker 1: street in white America. I mean, there was nothing, you know, Tulsa,
49:45
Speaker 1: the community which was a devastation, which was horrible, which
49:48
Speaker 1: was which was humiliating, disgusting, h every negative thing to
49:53
Speaker 1: think about what was done to us, but the aspiration
49:56
Speaker 1: that we achieved on that street, and it was just
49:59
Speaker 1: a just a you blocks. It was a community, a
50:01
Speaker 1: local community that should be every community in America, not
50:06
Speaker 1: one middle place in Oklahoma that we point to from
50:09
Speaker 1: a hundred years ago. The fact is blacks of white
50:13
Speaker 1: families passed down wealth and generation and generation, and it's
50:17
Speaker 1: in wealth creation has become a habit with our mainstream
50:21
Speaker 1: Caucasian friends. Uh. And the differentiation between making money and
50:26
Speaker 1: building wealth is everything you know, making money you do
50:30
Speaker 1: from nine to five. Building wealth it's what you do
50:34
Speaker 1: from nine to five, nine pm to five pm. So
50:37
Speaker 1: you hustle, you you earn your listing from nine to five.
50:40
Speaker 1: You may have a part time hustle from five to nine,
50:44
Speaker 1: but you actually build wealth in your sleep from from
50:48
Speaker 1: nine to five, nine pm to five am. It stocks
50:51
Speaker 1: its bonds, it's a business investment, it's entrepreneurship. It's education
50:55
Speaker 1: because it compounds in your sleep. It's compounding its rental income.
51:00
Speaker 1: You built welcome. You're sweep. Nor ever taught us this.
51:02
Speaker 1: We're we're we as you already know. We are brilliant.
51:06
Speaker 1: When the rules are published in the plane to this
51:08
Speaker 1: level we succeed. But it's what we don't know that
51:11
Speaker 1: we don't know this killing us, but we think we know.
51:13
Speaker 1: And Ambassador Andrew Young, who was on that balcony with
51:16
Speaker 1: Dr King but he was assassinated my mentor and friends,
51:20
Speaker 1: said to live in a system of free enterprise and
51:23
Speaker 1: not to understand the rules of free enterprise just must
51:27
Speaker 1: be the very definition of slavery. Wow, let me let
51:33
Speaker 1: me ask you this, John again. Thank you for coming
51:36
Speaker 1: on the show to discuss what we're talking about is
51:39
Speaker 1: black entrepreneurs and black recognition being being saying that we are,
51:42
Speaker 1: we're good citizens, we pay taxes, we want the same
51:45
Speaker 1: thing you want, you know, living an environment where we
51:47
Speaker 1: could be saving. Come home and nobody's broken in our homes.
51:50
Speaker 1: And as soon as that that message doesn't get resonated
51:53
Speaker 1: enough because it keeps being blindsided. But I'm gonna go
51:56
Speaker 1: back a little bit and moved to Los Angeles from
51:59
Speaker 1: New York. In two I was actually living in l A.
52:03
Speaker 1: I was on the morning show on Steven Wonder this
52:06
Speaker 1: radio station on kjl A. My best friend, that's what
52:12
Speaker 1: we're doing, that new drive and so I got to
52:17
Speaker 1: drive down Crinshaw when it all was going down, and uh,
52:21
Speaker 1: that's where I first encountered black people without a fear
52:26
Speaker 1: or trying to save their business, started saying, uh, this
52:29
Speaker 1: is a black owned business. This is a black owned business.
52:31
Speaker 1: This is a black owned business. Now that's nineteen as two.
52:34
Speaker 1: We had a vivid video of a black man being
52:37
Speaker 1: beat several times by several police officers, and then we
52:41
Speaker 1: see a black man eight minutes being strangled to death
52:45
Speaker 1: on video, same video. What I say that the city
52:52
Speaker 1: of Los Angeles set on fire the country? Like? Whoa
52:56
Speaker 1: military was sent in to shut it down? What do
52:58
Speaker 1: you think is making a different today? Because white people
53:01
Speaker 1: didn't participate in any civil change, but now you see
53:04
Speaker 1: white people participating in civil change. And change can only
53:07
Speaker 1: happen if everybody recognizes there as a problem. Yeah, so
53:12
Speaker 1: you've you've unpacked, as I would expect from from a
53:17
Speaker 1: high frequency thinker like you. You unpacked, you know you
53:20
Speaker 1: under puerrilla and a huge question. Um, and I'll try
53:24
Speaker 1: to answer it succinctly. There's a question within a question
53:27
Speaker 1: within a question. Right. Uh So in my in my book,
53:30
Speaker 1: I talked about so life is ten percent with life
53:32
Speaker 1: does to you and not even how you choose to
53:35
Speaker 1: respond to it. I put them my love leadership. So
53:37
Speaker 1: what's your response going to be. So let's just go
53:40
Speaker 1: back permitted to the trauma, because because we've been traumatized,
53:42
Speaker 1: we've been we've been abused in this country as as
53:45
Speaker 1: African Americans, but my Jewish friends were as an example,
53:49
Speaker 1: were also likewise normally abused. There was attempted extermination. A
53:53
Speaker 1: third of them were targeted for extermination by Hitler. But so,
53:57
Speaker 1: but they went into that that battle with different schools
54:00
Speaker 1: and we had. They came out of that battle with
54:02
Speaker 1: different tools, and we had. They decided to fight that
54:05
Speaker 1: battle with ownership, capitalism, economics. Uh. In fact, they were
54:09
Speaker 1: not allowed to own land in Europe. Jews work, so
54:12
Speaker 1: they created finance so they can finance the land and
54:15
Speaker 1: create portable wealth literally finances portable wealth. And they went
54:20
Speaker 1: into that battle with five what I call five pillars
54:24
Speaker 1: of success. As much education you can shove down your throat,
54:29
Speaker 1: understand the math, economics, ownership, entrepreneurships, intromidencity, all things you
54:34
Speaker 1: talk about, family structure and resiliency, self esteem and confidence,
54:40
Speaker 1: as you know, those two things are different. Self esteem
54:42
Speaker 1: is how you esteem yourself confidences, how you think your
54:45
Speaker 1: confidence and leading into the world in role modeling an environment. Right.
54:49
Speaker 1: So they had those things tight going in and then
54:52
Speaker 1: and they had them tight coming out. But they decided
54:54
Speaker 1: to fight because they're Jews today are being stabbed and
54:57
Speaker 1: murdered and enlynched around the world. But they decided to
55:00
Speaker 1: fight their fight with economics, ownership and opportunity in in
55:06
Speaker 1: in my opinion, uh, in an economic world. So that
55:09
Speaker 1: was the right response. Uh. And they and they've demanded
55:14
Speaker 1: you know, even respect you could say earned it whatever
55:17
Speaker 1: with our own respect. They demanded respect. You had poor
55:21
Speaker 1: whites who came here from Britain who came here the
55:24
Speaker 1: same time as we did as indigenous servants. Um, and
55:28
Speaker 1: they're still poor today. No one taught them to be industrious,
55:31
Speaker 1: but they had the benefit of being white. The word
55:33
Speaker 1: white was a made up word, literally the European royal class.
55:38
Speaker 1: No one made this word up but us in America
55:41
Speaker 1: in a way to differentiate in their early sixteen hundred's
55:44
Speaker 1: poor whites from their poor black brothers and sisters, so
55:47
Speaker 1: they wouldn't collaborate together. We're on time of that story.
55:50
Speaker 1: We'll put it aside for a minute. So African American who,
55:53
Speaker 1: as you know, came here as geniuses of the land.
55:56
Speaker 1: That's why we were brought here from Africa, because we
55:58
Speaker 1: were agricultural geniuses. We get plant seed, soil and grow
56:03
Speaker 1: crops anywhere in the world. So we weren't dummies. We
56:07
Speaker 1: were geniuses. But when they got we got here, they
56:09
Speaker 1: dumbed this down. They stripped us of that self esteem
56:13
Speaker 1: and that confidence. They demanded us, they they demanded they
56:17
Speaker 1: denied us the education. The Freedman's Bank of a text
56:22
Speaker 1: five that Abraham Lincoln created to teach free slaves about
56:25
Speaker 1: money after the Civil War. He was killed the next month.
56:28
Speaker 1: The bank fell in and disrepair, even though further was
56:30
Speaker 1: tried to run it. People don't even know, uh that
56:34
Speaker 1: that that the predictor was was a businessman that he
56:37
Speaker 1: owned real estate in Baltimore, Maryland. They said he was
56:39
Speaker 1: gonna avolitionists um and he and he put ten thousand
56:43
Speaker 1: orders on money that bank. But that bank failed, and
56:45
Speaker 1: no one taught us tontial literacy. Knowing that our family
56:48
Speaker 1: structure was was destroyed. Our resiliency as a result of
56:51
Speaker 1: that was denied, or what should says it was never built.
56:54
Speaker 1: Self esteem in the toilet wrote, confidence came from the
56:59
Speaker 1: wrong sort of things, which were things that blame, things
57:02
Speaker 1: that shine uh in role models were you know, okay,
57:07
Speaker 1: let's put in our role models the two areas we succeeded,
57:10
Speaker 1: and I'll shut up here. We're really at scale the arts.
57:15
Speaker 1: You know, you work with Steve Harvey who was also
57:17
Speaker 1: friends the arts and professional sports. Why the rules were
57:21
Speaker 1: published and the plane field was leveled, so we killed it.
57:25
Speaker 1: Because the rules were published. In the plane there was
57:27
Speaker 1: level capitalism, which is nine percent of the GDP of
57:31
Speaker 1: this country in the world that's left over nowhere were
57:34
Speaker 1: taught of that game. So you combine the five pillars
57:37
Speaker 1: we didn't get with the game that we don't understand,
57:41
Speaker 1: and you end up in the situation that you find
57:43
Speaker 1: we find ourselves in where these in place black murders
57:47
Speaker 1: by police and unfortunate shootings, where it's five hundred credit
57:51
Speaker 1: score neighborhoods. We have a check casher next to a
57:54
Speaker 1: payday loan lender, next to a rent to own store,
57:57
Speaker 1: next to a title lender, next to a liquor store,
58:00
Speaker 1: next to a pawn shop, and as a church down
58:08
Speaker 1: the street trying to make you feel a little bit
58:09
Speaker 1: better once a week. I called that an official psychologist,
58:12
Speaker 1: because we want admit that we creg Craig, we won't
58:15
Speaker 1: go get real health. And I think that if you're
58:17
Speaker 1: black today, before COVID, nineteen of us would be clinically undiagnosed,
58:23
Speaker 1: depressed for good reason. So what so COVID just just
58:26
Speaker 1: sort of took it even made you more resilient, and
58:29
Speaker 1: you double down on the right mentality I called a
58:31
Speaker 1: winning mentality. You have that. You've got a winning mentality
58:35
Speaker 1: and you've got a Hunters roll. You Rahan, You've got that,
58:39
Speaker 1: and that's why that's why you continue to succeed. But
58:41
Speaker 1: most of our people have a survising mentality and in
58:46
Speaker 1: an observer spectators role, that's the problem. We've got to
58:52
Speaker 1: get our heads back in the game. We gotta Malcolm xID.
58:56
Speaker 1: We've been bamboozer, we've been tripped, we've been right. Hood wink,
59:01
Speaker 1: Come on now, hood wink. So that's why that's why
59:05
Speaker 1: I'm all about financial literacy at scale, black ownership of
59:11
Speaker 1: businesses as a way to social justice at scale. Right,
59:15
Speaker 1: I'm all go ahead, So let me ask you this, John.
59:19
Speaker 1: You know that because what you're saying is absolutely correct,
59:22
Speaker 1: And what I wanted to get the additional response to
59:25
Speaker 1: you was that we had a video in ninety two
59:28
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59:30
Speaker 1: thousand and twenty UM George Flayd George the nation read
59:37
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59:40
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59:45
Speaker 1: the situation and then move forward in people are white?
59:50
Speaker 1: People are reacting differently? Was it COVID being shut down
59:54
Speaker 1: being a sin of being able to talk amongst each other?
59:58
Speaker 1: Or society has become more to racial now they're willing
1:00:01
Speaker 1: to be able to communicate honestly about the flaws of America.
1:00:05
Speaker 1: What made this movement different? It's fear fear, It's fear
1:00:11
Speaker 1: in your own house. What I mean by that is
1:00:15
Speaker 1: and by the way, there are a lot of uh
1:00:17
Speaker 1: what I call you know, very very good Caucasian collaborators
1:00:22
Speaker 1: and supporters out there that we should give them credit for.
1:00:26
Speaker 1: I mean, the partnered with the Urban League. That was
1:00:29
Speaker 1: when the urban was created to blacks and whites. The
1:00:32
Speaker 1: responsible whites partnered with the in the creation of the ACP.
1:00:37
Speaker 1: Responsible white departnered with blacks in the creation of Operation
1:00:41
Speaker 1: Hope and so many other organizations. So I want to
1:00:43
Speaker 1: make sure, just sure that that that that statement is
1:00:45
Speaker 1: out there, that this is not a white versus black conversation.
1:00:48
Speaker 1: But your question, once again is very insightful, and the
1:00:51
Speaker 1: answer is that they understand where at the where at
1:00:55
Speaker 1: the end of kicking this can down the road, that
1:00:58
Speaker 1: it's now going to hurt them if we don't we
1:01:00
Speaker 1: don't solve this. That in Europe you had the European
1:01:04
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1:01:06
Speaker 1: percent of concentration of all wealth. That's not sustainable and
1:01:11
Speaker 1: they so we were before COVID, before the economic crisis,
1:01:14
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1:01:20
Speaker 1: this this widening of the wealth income inequality gap. But
1:01:23
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1:01:25
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1:01:30
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1:01:33
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1:01:39
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1:01:55
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1:02:00
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1:02:05
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1:02:14
Speaker 1: what we're gonna give birth to? Is it chaos to
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1:02:20
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1:02:22
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1:02:26
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1:02:28
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1:02:31
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1:02:35
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1:02:39
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1:02:41
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1:02:44
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1:02:48
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1:02:50
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1:02:54
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1:02:57
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1:02:59
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1:03:04
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Speaker 1: to John Hope Bryant, Founder, chairman, chief executive offense of
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Speaker 1: Operation Hope Incorporated. He came on the show to talk
1:04:28
Speaker 1: about one million new black businesses a campaign. Tell us
1:04:33
Speaker 1: about it, John, Yeah, So you gotta have a solution
1:04:39
Speaker 1: that's bigger than the problems that we face. The Bible says, well,
1:04:43
Speaker 1: there is no vision that people perish. You've got to
1:04:46
Speaker 1: have a solution bigger than the problems that we face.
1:04:50
Speaker 1: And so I draft this link called a New Marshall Plan,
1:04:53
Speaker 1: which people can go online and down looks. Uh. That's
1:04:57
Speaker 1: my vision for the resetting of this country. And to
1:04:59
Speaker 1: your point of what you preach on the show, it's
1:05:02
Speaker 1: about a hand up strategy, not a hand out strategy.
1:05:06
Speaker 1: It's about recognizing black folks as untapped GDP gross domestic
1:05:09
Speaker 1: product that discrimination racism against blacks has cost this country
1:05:15
Speaker 1: sixteen trillion dollars with the t and lost GDP in
1:05:19
Speaker 1: the last twenty years. City Group report of two weeks ago.
1:05:22
Speaker 1: It also showed that they just knocked it off right now,
1:05:26
Speaker 1: the country would gain another five trillion dollars of GDP
1:05:28
Speaker 1: over the next five years. That's enough to pay off
1:05:30
Speaker 1: the Care Act COVID nineteen stimulus money for the whole country.
1:05:36
Speaker 1: So I'm looking at this this challenge through an economic lens.
1:05:40
Speaker 1: I think that's the right lens to solve it, to
1:05:42
Speaker 1: get everybody on deck. And so if you have three million,
1:05:46
Speaker 1: just under three million black businesses America, but percenters them
1:05:50
Speaker 1: don't have an employee, pause, I want people to think
1:05:56
Speaker 1: about that, all right, how could you get the Care
1:05:58
Speaker 1: Act money, the PPP money, which was designed for employers
1:06:03
Speaker 1: who have employees with overhead. If you're working from home
1:06:06
Speaker 1: with no employees, you missed that boat altogether. It struck
1:06:10
Speaker 1: me that we have no books and records. We've got
1:06:14
Speaker 1: no business manager, we've got no accountant, no cp A,
1:06:18
Speaker 1: we've got no proper banker. I don't mean to teller
1:06:21
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1:06:24
Speaker 1: who knows who you are and curate your involvement. Welcome
1:06:28
Speaker 1: to the phone. We don't we're not We're not building well.
1:06:37
Speaker 1: We're on a treadmill, trying to get paid, getting paid,
1:06:41
Speaker 1: getting some money, getting some paper. All that's these phrases
1:06:43
Speaker 1: that we use is winning the battle and losing the war.
1:06:47
Speaker 1: We need to be built building well. You can't build
1:06:49
Speaker 1: wealth without compound, and can't compound without something other than you,
1:06:53
Speaker 1: in this case employees, technology, infrastructure systems. So I decided
1:06:59
Speaker 1: to not just plaining about it, to try to do
1:07:01
Speaker 1: something about it. So we partnered together with Shopify, the
1:07:05
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1:07:09
Speaker 1: company in Canada, and they committed a hundred and twenty
1:07:12
Speaker 1: seven million dollars at our Hope Global Forum last week,
1:07:16
Speaker 1: a d and twenty seven million dollars over ten years
1:07:19
Speaker 1: to help Operations Hope stand up one million new black businesses.
1:07:24
Speaker 1: So people. People can go to one MBB operating type,
1:07:28
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1:07:31
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1:07:40
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1:07:46
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1:07:51
Speaker 1: into what that all this means, but that's the backstory
1:07:54
Speaker 1: of what we're doing. And we're and and Shopify is
1:07:57
Speaker 1: not the only company involved. It has made that first
1:08:00
Speaker 1: major commitment. We're doing wrap around services which include accountants.
1:08:05
Speaker 1: We're getting us time bank commitments of two hours for businesses.
1:08:10
Speaker 1: We know. It's really interesting that you're saying this because
1:08:14
Speaker 1: I remember nanty to open a comedy club. I just
1:08:17
Speaker 1: opened it, John, Okay, I didn't have an accounting in place.
1:08:20
Speaker 1: I didn't understand by human resources. I didn't have job applications,
1:08:24
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1:08:27
Speaker 1: in place. And that's what you're talking about. As far
1:08:28
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1:08:31
Speaker 1: an entrepreneur in order to be recognized as an entrepreneur.
1:08:34
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1:08:37
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1:08:39
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1:08:41
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1:08:43
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1:08:46
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1:08:49
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1:08:51
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1:08:55
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1:08:57
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1:08:59
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1:09:03
Speaker 1: But we have to understand that that happens. But you
1:09:05
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1:09:07
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1:09:11
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1:09:13
Speaker 1: that's where black people in general get frustrated and they're
1:09:16
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1:09:20
Speaker 1: But they're also not giving the same opportunity because they
1:09:22
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1:09:24
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1:09:27
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1:09:29
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1:09:32
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1:09:36
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1:09:40
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1:09:46
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1:09:49
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1:09:52
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1:09:56
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1:09:59
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1:10:02
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1:10:12
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1:10:14
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1:10:21
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1:10:23
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1:10:27
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1:10:30
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1:10:34
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1:10:42
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1:10:50
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1:13:17
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1:13:20
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1:13:22
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1:13:38
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1:13:44
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1:13:46
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1:13:48
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1:13:53
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1:14:05
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1:14:07
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1:14:10
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1:14:13
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1:14:17
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1:14:20
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1:14:23
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1:14:27
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1:14:30
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1:14:33
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1:14:37
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1:14:39
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1:14:45
Speaker 1: The father said, I'm ashamed of you. The father told
1:14:49
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1:14:51
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1:14:54
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Speaker 1: said it. You're not gonna use your company to be
1:15:02
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1:15:05
Speaker 1: company to buy Disney. Now now, now it doesn't matter
1:15:16
Speaker 1: whether the kid was gonna buy Disney or not, it's relevant.
1:15:19
Speaker 1: The point is that now the kid thinks he can
1:15:22
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1:15:27
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1:15:29
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1:15:33
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1:15:35
Speaker 1: buy Disney or build Disney. My point is we've got
1:15:38
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1:15:42
Speaker 1: As a group of people, we are brilliant, we are amazing. Again,
1:15:45
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1:15:48
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1:15:50
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1:16:01
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1:16:04
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1:16:07
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1:16:09
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1:16:14
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1:16:17
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1:16:20
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1:16:24
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1:16:27
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1:16:31
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1:16:36
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1:16:40
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1:16:47
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1:16:53
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1:16:56
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1:17:02
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1:17:05
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1:17:08
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1:17:14
Speaker 1: So what he's saying makes sense. You can shut you can.
1:17:17
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1:17:21
Speaker 1: That check may have millions attached to a billions at
1:17:24
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1:17:28
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1:17:33
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1:17:36
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1:17:41
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1:17:43
Speaker 1: what Marvel has accomplished with that franchise. So it's the
1:17:47
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1:17:51
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1:17:55
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1:18:07
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1:18:11
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1:18:16
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1:18:34
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1:18:37
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1:18:39
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1:18:44
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1:18:48
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1:18:50
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1:18:56
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1:19:00
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1:19:02
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1:19:06
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1:19:09
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1:19:58
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1:20:02
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Speaker 1: My next guest is Jilly Moore. She's a musician, actor, dancing, model,
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1:27:35
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1:27:40
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1:27:42
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1:28:02
Speaker 1: talking about the cookbook, upcoming music projects. She can sing,
1:28:05
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1:28:11
Speaker 1: making conversation. I'm gonna calling my friend Jilly Moore. Hello, Hello,
1:28:16
Speaker 1: thank you for having me. Thank you so much for
1:28:18
Speaker 1: having me. How about Houston? I start born and raised
1:28:20
Speaker 1: in Houston. Okay, we're part of Houston. Are you're living
1:28:22
Speaker 1: in right now? All your well? Okay, so I am.
1:28:25
Speaker 1: Actually I currently live in Los Angeles, California. That conversation, yes, yes, okay,
1:28:33
Speaker 1: thank you, all right, j Let's do all right now.
1:28:35
Speaker 1: You know I know about Paralleta there, Okay, great, that's
1:28:41
Speaker 1: part of Houston, one of the fastest growing subdivisions all
1:28:45
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1:28:47
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1:28:50
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1:28:53
Speaker 1: I'm not living in Houstonia. I live in Houston, got
1:28:56
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1:28:59
Speaker 1: in New York, Chicago, Los Angeles. Now, where do you
1:29:02
Speaker 1: live in the area? Don't want, don't want no little
1:29:05
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1:29:08
Speaker 1: you've residing in? Jim Glendae, Okay, I'm not there right now.
1:29:14
Speaker 1: I actually just got back. Um. I always come for
1:29:16
Speaker 1: the games here in Houston. But now we said we
1:29:20
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1:29:23
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1:29:26
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1:29:29
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1:29:30
Speaker 1: it like that just about you. I'm letting you know
1:29:33
Speaker 1: the only reason why my dad keeps hopping up in
1:29:35
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1:29:37
Speaker 1: my book today. So I'm at my parents house right now.
1:29:39
Speaker 1: So it's a whole lot, a whole lot. So I'm
1:29:42
Speaker 1: explaining to you why I'm not currently in Glendale, California. Okay, cool,
1:29:47
Speaker 1: Now it's been a big shutdown. You know, the COVID
1:29:49
Speaker 1: hit everybody, and uh and so how did that? How
1:29:52
Speaker 1: does that affected you? Because you you know, the social
1:29:55
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1:29:58
Speaker 1: lot of live productions you just of paiding in twenty
1:30:01
Speaker 1: but they all went away. How did that impact you?
1:30:04
Speaker 1: You know? But the grist of God, I think, um,
1:30:06
Speaker 1: it kind of motivated me. I don't think it impacted me, um,
1:30:10
Speaker 1: you know, as much as it did impact some people.
1:30:12
Speaker 1: But of course some projects were put on a little
1:30:14
Speaker 1: bit more of a slow or backburner, but it like, uh,
1:30:18
Speaker 1: it gave room for other projects to grow and expand.
1:30:21
Speaker 1: So honestly, in the midst of it, COVID was bussing
1:30:24
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1:30:26
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1:30:30
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1:30:35
Speaker 1: And that's kind of you know, I couldn't say the
1:30:38
Speaker 1: same thing when it when it hit in March. I'm
1:30:39
Speaker 1: gonna just tell you, Jilly and I didn't know how
1:30:42
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1:30:44
Speaker 1: nobody knew about COVID ninteen and I don't think anybody
1:30:47
Speaker 1: still knows about it. The fact that they have a
1:30:49
Speaker 1: vaccine coming, we all are happy about that. I got
1:30:52
Speaker 1: wrong with the home depot the first time I went out.
1:30:54
Speaker 1: I had my gloves, I had my peril. I didn't
1:30:57
Speaker 1: even have a mask at the time. I had like
1:30:59
Speaker 1: a ski mask, I like pool and so I came
1:31:02
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1:31:04
Speaker 1: touch the door. I didn't know when to put the
1:31:06
Speaker 1: hands out. It was really was a confusing time for me.
1:31:09
Speaker 1: How did you How did it play out for you?
1:31:10
Speaker 1: Are Are you comfortable now that you've develop a line
1:31:13
Speaker 1: of how you can participate in everyday life? How did
1:31:16
Speaker 1: that lay out for you? Jilly? I mean, I've always
1:31:19
Speaker 1: been kind of like a germaphobe and a germ freak,
1:31:21
Speaker 1: so that kind of really only enhanced it. But I mean,
1:31:25
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you have to you
1:31:26
Speaker 1: can't just be afraid of life. You can't be afraid
1:31:28
Speaker 1: of living, you know. I know at one point traveling
1:31:30
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1:31:33
Speaker 1: especially being in a tube where that you can't just
1:31:35
Speaker 1: let the window down or anything. But I mean, at
1:31:37
Speaker 1: the end of the day, you can't just be, you know, scared.
1:31:40
Speaker 1: You can't let COVID completely just stop you. You just can't.
1:31:43
Speaker 1: But I mean, don't get me wrong, my precautions are
1:31:45
Speaker 1: on a whole another level. I am definitely I have
1:31:48
Speaker 1: probably with four hand sanitizers in my purse right now.
1:31:51
Speaker 1: I have, I carry my mask. I have two masks
1:31:53
Speaker 1: in my purse, two in the car. You won't catch
1:31:56
Speaker 1: me like without it. You know. That's just first and
1:31:58
Speaker 1: foremost really, because I just I went to l A
1:32:02
Speaker 1: a week ago, my first time officially flying since the COVID.
1:32:07
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and so you know, you know, so, so
1:32:10
Speaker 1: I got on the plane. You know, I have a man.
1:32:11
Speaker 1: I had, like, I like, like four disposable masks. I
1:32:14
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1:32:17
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1:32:19
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1:32:21
Speaker 1: and then I had my other disposable man pull that
1:32:24
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1:32:26
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1:32:28
Speaker 1: And then I got back on the plane, put my
1:32:30
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1:32:33
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1:32:36
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1:32:38
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1:32:40
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1:32:43
Speaker 1: But I do believe, and I have to say this
1:32:45
Speaker 1: that we have to learn to live with this crisis
1:32:48
Speaker 1: and we can't shut down our life. You know, of course,
1:32:50
Speaker 1: being precautions, like even when I am on the plane,
1:32:53
Speaker 1: I for sure I take a few of my wife's,
1:32:55
Speaker 1: my sanitizer wives. I wipe down. I'm not playing. I
1:32:58
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1:33:01
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1:33:06
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1:33:08
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1:33:10
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1:33:12
Speaker 1: but I'm not. There's just different thing about you, Jill.
1:33:16
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1:33:19
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1:33:22
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1:33:24
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1:33:26
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1:33:30
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1:33:33
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1:33:35
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1:33:38
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1:33:40
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1:33:43
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1:33:45
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1:33:47
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1:33:52
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1:33:54
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1:33:57
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1:33:59
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1:34:03
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1:34:05
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1:34:07
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1:34:09
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1:34:13
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1:34:16
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1:34:18
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1:34:20
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1:34:23
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1:34:26
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1:34:28
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1:34:30
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1:34:33
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1:34:36
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1:34:38
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1:34:40
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1:34:44
Speaker 1: They always questioned whether or not I can bake? Okay,
1:34:46
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1:34:50
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1:34:52
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1:34:55
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1:35:00
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1:35:02
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1:35:06
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1:35:09
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1:35:11
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1:35:14
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1:35:17
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1:35:22
Speaker 1: with the cookbook. Um, I mean, cooking has really just
1:35:24
Speaker 1: always been in my family. I am of Creole descent.
1:35:29
Speaker 1: My all my families from Louisiana. My brother, me and
1:35:33
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1:35:36
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1:35:39
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1:35:42
Speaker 1: more food than people. He literally had tripled the amount
1:35:45
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1:35:48
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1:35:50
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1:35:53
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1:35:55
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1:35:59
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1:36:01
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1:36:04
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1:36:11
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1:36:15
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1:36:18
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1:36:23
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1:36:26
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1:36:28
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1:36:32
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1:36:34
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1:36:38
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1:36:44
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1:38:35
Speaker 1: thing is, people don't even know what booty and is.
1:38:36
Speaker 1: People don't know about gumbo, and people don't know about
1:38:39
Speaker 1: this stuff. So it's really amazing to, like, you know,
1:38:42
Speaker 1: bring people into my culture, my heritage. So let's talk
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Speaker 1: about the boodan now the boot and now I do
1:38:50
Speaker 1: I do dirty rice? Okay, I know about Boodand let's
1:38:52
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1:38:54
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1:39:02
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1:39:05
Speaker 1: should just start cray because everything is edible. Everything is
1:39:08
Speaker 1: edible or out of hall. So talk about you putting
1:39:11
Speaker 1: together this booting. What is the process? You know? Okay?
1:39:15
Speaker 1: So for my boot and stuff chicken. The crazy thing is,
1:39:17
Speaker 1: I only did forty five recipes in here. So even
1:39:20
Speaker 1: a lot of the recipes now are gonna be in
1:39:23
Speaker 1: cookbook number two. But even with the booty, and it's
1:39:26
Speaker 1: just like I you know how it's like in the
1:39:28
Speaker 1: little paper rice, I slice it open, I take the
1:39:31
Speaker 1: rice part out, mush it all up, um in my chicken.
1:39:33
Speaker 1: After I season it, I put the dirty rice inside
1:39:36
Speaker 1: the chicken and I roll it up, put a toothpick
1:39:38
Speaker 1: in there, um, drizzle some garlic, butter or whatever I'm
1:39:41
Speaker 1: putting on top of it. Put it in the oven
1:39:43
Speaker 1: for a good thirty so minutes. And I tell you, jelly,
1:39:48
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1:39:52
Speaker 1: that ain't no, that ain't no country. That ain't country. Well,
1:39:56
Speaker 1: I mean it's country mixed with my modern days. That's
1:40:00
Speaker 1: the beauty of your book. Now you're taking a little
1:40:02
Speaker 1: country bringing it forward because you know when you say boods,
1:40:07
Speaker 1: crackers and budd and that standard black folks talk. Now
1:40:12
Speaker 1: you and as garlic butters drisually right there, she said,
1:40:15
Speaker 1: sliding in the other scam me, girl, scamed me. Now
1:40:18
Speaker 1: you scare me over here. Now, No, it's phenomenal. It's phenomenal. Absolutely.
1:40:23
Speaker 1: So you say this is cookbook one and that cookbook too.
1:40:26
Speaker 1: Now let's talk about your social media, which is phenomenal,
1:40:29
Speaker 1: you know, and I always tell people at social media
1:40:31
Speaker 1: is interesting because you know, people follow you because they
1:40:35
Speaker 1: either want to be like you, or you emotionally give
1:40:38
Speaker 1: something to them that they feel they will miss, or
1:40:40
Speaker 1: you provide information. Why do you think you have such
1:40:43
Speaker 1: a strong social media fan base? I mean I just
1:40:46
Speaker 1: think me my personality. I think people fell in love
1:40:48
Speaker 1: with who Jilly is. I feel like people fell in
1:40:50
Speaker 1: love with who jilling In is as well. Um, you know,
1:40:54
Speaker 1: just throughout social media, I've showed a lot of my personality.
1:40:56
Speaker 1: I've let people into my life, um at all. At
1:41:00
Speaker 1: times it was like a little bit personal as well,
1:41:02
Speaker 1: which is why I feel like my fan base connected
1:41:04
Speaker 1: to me so well. They have experienced you know, journeys
1:41:06
Speaker 1: with me. They have gone through some ups and downs.
1:41:09
Speaker 1: They have gone through a little bit of backing away
1:41:11
Speaker 1: from Instagram and noticing that I hadn't posted in a while,
1:41:14
Speaker 1: or noticing my absence and you know, being concerned. And
1:41:17
Speaker 1: so I think that's when, like, you have an extreme
1:41:19
Speaker 1: fan base, it's just so awesome that you know, people
1:41:23
Speaker 1: relate to it. People um got connected with me, you know,
1:41:26
Speaker 1: and it's been a few years now, but at the
1:41:29
Speaker 1: end of the day, it's just like so strong till
1:41:31
Speaker 1: this day. I mean it never you never really realized
1:41:35
Speaker 1: how much people support you until it comes to things
1:41:37
Speaker 1: like items you're selling. And with my cookbook, it was
1:41:39
Speaker 1: just so amazing because when I tell you the the
1:41:42
Speaker 1: outpour of love and then just to actually see it
1:41:45
Speaker 1: in sales was just like so just honestly mind blowing.
1:41:50
Speaker 1: It was really really mind blowing. And I don't want
1:41:52
Speaker 1: to say like I was shocked, but sometimes you are shocked.
1:41:54
Speaker 1: You're shocked that people actually put in their credit card
1:41:57
Speaker 1: information to support you, you know. So I think it
1:41:59
Speaker 1: was just such a blessing. And that was one of
1:42:01
Speaker 1: my most recent realizing moments of how my fan base,
1:42:06
Speaker 1: my social media, how impactful it is, you know, to
1:42:09
Speaker 1: my actual life. Well, that's that's that's really interesting because
1:42:12
Speaker 1: of the fact that you opted to do you know,
1:42:15
Speaker 1: digital that format versus going to a book company like
1:42:20
Speaker 1: a Harper Collins or Simon Schuster. Now, is it any
1:42:24
Speaker 1: reason for that? Because you have the brand to be
1:42:26
Speaker 1: able to do that. You got the social media follower
1:42:28
Speaker 1: you got the YouTube followers. So I'm sure any any
1:42:31
Speaker 1: major book company would want to publish your book any reason.
1:42:36
Speaker 1: I think, Um, you know, I wasn't opposed to it,
1:42:38
Speaker 1: but I think I just wanted to do self publishing
1:42:41
Speaker 1: because you know, I think most people pay to have
1:42:44
Speaker 1: a brand like I do. Most people pay to have
1:42:46
Speaker 1: like an outreach or an outlet like I do. So
1:42:50
Speaker 1: I think, you know, for me, just being able to
1:42:53
Speaker 1: self publish my book and be the publisher of my
1:42:55
Speaker 1: book and put it out and not have to make
1:42:58
Speaker 1: a dollar off of a book that I've spent literally
1:43:02
Speaker 1: so much on not only in the making, but my
1:43:05
Speaker 1: book is what thirty dollars and then only make a
1:43:07
Speaker 1: dollar from it. I just I didn't want to do that.
1:43:08
Speaker 1: I wanted to receive all my profit. I wanted to
1:43:11
Speaker 1: you know, really, I wanted this first book to be
1:43:15
Speaker 1: my baby. I want to book companies and everyone just
1:43:17
Speaker 1: to really see what I can do on my own.
1:43:19
Speaker 1: So you know, when Cookbook slash Lookbook number two comes out,
1:43:23
Speaker 1: I'm gonna need that advance like way bigger. There you go.
1:43:28
Speaker 1: First of all, I love talking to you, you know,
1:43:29
Speaker 1: because I always tell people when young people figured out,
1:43:32
Speaker 1: you know, and you figured it out, this is your brand,
1:43:34
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1:43:37
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1:43:40
Speaker 1: that's what excites me about talking to a person like
1:43:43
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1:43:46
Speaker 1: It's driving your next step, your next financial opportunity, your
1:43:49
Speaker 1: next career move. Talk about your company and talk about
1:43:51
Speaker 1: your brain. Absolutely, so everything is Jillianese. I think my
1:43:55
Speaker 1: own um. Finding a brand that suited me was so
1:43:59
Speaker 1: easy because it's me. It's literally so jillian Nie is
1:44:02
Speaker 1: my brand, Jilliannie is my company, and everything follows under that.
1:44:05
Speaker 1: And it just has several outlets. It's literally like a spiderweb.
1:44:08
Speaker 1: Jillianese is in the middle. And it's music, it's dancing,
1:44:11
Speaker 1: it's acting, it's cookbook, it's look book, it's fashion, it's fitness,
1:44:15
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1:44:17
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1:44:22
Speaker 1: It's literally who I am. It's who I am growing
1:44:26
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1:44:29
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1:44:31
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1:44:34
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1:44:37
Speaker 1: that's not my intent. My intent is literally every time
1:44:40
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1:44:43
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1:44:45
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1:44:47
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1:44:49
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1:44:51
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1:44:53
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1:44:56
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1:44:58
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1:47:03
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1:47:09
Speaker 1: never dwelling and staring away from God's plan. I'm a big,
1:47:12
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1:47:15
Speaker 1: no matter what whatever God has planned for me, it's unstoppable.
1:47:18
Speaker 1: I didn't know I would be putting out a book.
1:47:20
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1:47:22
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1:47:24
Speaker 1: And you know, I think it's just a matter of
1:47:26
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1:47:30
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1:47:32
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1:47:36
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1:47:38
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1:47:40
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1:47:43
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1:47:55
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1:48:00
Speaker 1: on your on your bio came out and said the
1:48:02
Speaker 1: six els of jelly. Okay, I'm assuming that's a brand.
1:48:07
Speaker 1: Part of your brand. You sat down and said, faith, family, food, fitness, fashion,
1:48:11
Speaker 1: and fun. I'm gonna go to each one. Then, well,
1:48:14
Speaker 1: then I want to go back to the cookbook and
1:48:16
Speaker 1: want you to pull me through your favorite recipes, and
1:48:18
Speaker 1: then we're gonna close it out, alright. The Sixths of Jilly,
1:48:22
Speaker 1: you know, not residing in Glendale, California. She's a star,
1:48:28
Speaker 1: not a star on the ride. She is a real star,
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1:48:42
Speaker 1: said the sixths of Jelly. Break that down your faith, family, food, fitness,
1:48:48
Speaker 1: fashion and fun. Let's start with faith. Faith. I'm a
1:48:52
Speaker 1: big believer in my faith. You know, God comes first,
1:48:54
Speaker 1: God comes before it all. You know, without him, none
1:48:56
Speaker 1: of it's possible. And I don't just say that, I
1:48:58
Speaker 1: stand by that. I wake up every morning and I pray.
1:49:00
Speaker 1: I pray with my family, so twice the morning, once
1:49:03
Speaker 1: um once I wake up once again with my family.
1:49:05
Speaker 1: We have a group message where my dad sends his
1:49:07
Speaker 1: prayers every single morning, NonStop, then again once before I
1:49:10
Speaker 1: go to sleep. And you know, just throughout the day,
1:49:12
Speaker 1: I just know that no matter what, without my faith,
1:49:14
Speaker 1: without knowing who my God is just none of this
1:49:17
Speaker 1: would be possible. And you know, just always giving praise
1:49:19
Speaker 1: to the Highest, praise to the you know, everything that
1:49:22
Speaker 1: I go through, everything through the good and bad, I
1:49:25
Speaker 1: just never stop saying thank you. I never not make
1:49:29
Speaker 1: time for that, you know. So I think with faith
1:49:31
Speaker 1: it just has to do with growing up with my
1:49:33
Speaker 1: family who instilled that. You know, God is love. God
1:49:36
Speaker 1: is everything. So with um, with God is love, I
1:49:40
Speaker 1: just know that no matter what, every success I owe
1:49:42
Speaker 1: it to Him. So that's where faith comes from. And
1:49:44
Speaker 1: now on the family side, it was talking about the
1:49:46
Speaker 1: recipes and the book their generalship, you know, because we
1:49:49
Speaker 1: talked about family little bit in faith. But let's talk
1:49:51
Speaker 1: about family when it comes to the food and your
1:49:53
Speaker 1: whole life. Family. You know, family when it comes to
1:49:55
Speaker 1: the food. As you can see in my cookbook, it's
1:49:57
Speaker 1: very incorporated with my family, and my family is all
1:50:00
Speaker 1: throughout it. My family is literally I want to see
1:50:02
Speaker 1: if I can just quickly, I can even show you
1:50:05
Speaker 1: here's a picture right here with my dad, this picture
1:50:09
Speaker 1: like my mom and my grandmother. It's just you know,
1:50:12
Speaker 1: family is a big part of my life. If you ever,
1:50:15
Speaker 1: you know, have seen me here's my mom and my
1:50:18
Speaker 1: grandmother throughout it. My brother is in here somewhere. Just
1:50:22
Speaker 1: I mean, people who watch me, people who have been
1:50:25
Speaker 1: following me all these years, they know that my family
1:50:28
Speaker 1: is my everything. You know, my family is literally all
1:50:33
Speaker 1: I have. It's literally my mom, my dad, my brother, um,
1:50:37
Speaker 1: and my grandmother. It's us five and we have We're small,
1:50:41
Speaker 1: but we're mighty. We are small, but we're mighty. And
1:50:43
Speaker 1: you know, for me, it's kind of a second, it's
1:50:46
Speaker 1: not even a really a thought. It's just like, my
1:50:50
Speaker 1: family is my everything. I don't even want to I
1:50:52
Speaker 1: don't know. It's just so I don't even know like
1:50:55
Speaker 1: how to tell you nothing would be possible without my
1:50:58
Speaker 1: family there my backbones. They have me more than anybody
1:51:01
Speaker 1: in this world. And you know, it kind of gets
1:51:03
Speaker 1: like emotional to talk about it. But my mom, my dad,
1:51:05
Speaker 1: my brother, and my grandmother, the way we support one another,
1:51:07
Speaker 1: the way we love one another, I just know that
1:51:09
Speaker 1: if everything were to go wrong in this world, their
1:51:12
Speaker 1: doors will always be open. And you know, no matter what,
1:51:14
Speaker 1: I can be my true self around them. They'll never
1:51:17
Speaker 1: judge me and they love me and support me through everything.
1:51:19
Speaker 1: So family is a very you know, touchy but strong
1:51:23
Speaker 1: subject to me cool. I'm gonna combinde too of the
1:51:25
Speaker 1: else food and fitness, you know, food and fitness. Okay,
1:51:32
Speaker 1: so with dude, So with food and fitness. You know,
1:51:38
Speaker 1: in this cookbook there's a lot of like happy healthy
1:51:42
Speaker 1: mill not really healthy but happy, you know, good rinching botery,
1:51:49
Speaker 1: buttery with salt mills. So I'm telling people abs are
1:51:53
Speaker 1: not included in this book. That the body is not included,
1:51:58
Speaker 1: you know. And that's why I wanted to make sure
1:52:01
Speaker 1: I could buying food and fitness because they are separate
1:52:03
Speaker 1: in your in your where you're laying out, but you
1:52:06
Speaker 1: are dealing with a book that, like you said, uh,
1:52:08
Speaker 1: has grown folks food in that book right there. You know,
1:52:11
Speaker 1: that's that's that's that's some real food up in there,
1:52:13
Speaker 1: you know, shrimp, the jumbo shrump up in there and
1:52:16
Speaker 1: looking good at there. And so now the part of
1:52:19
Speaker 1: the book that really are really made me really caught
1:52:22
Speaker 1: my eye with the look book part, the look book cookbook.
1:52:27
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm maybe I've missed something, but I've never seen
1:52:29
Speaker 1: that before, and it's so strict talk about the fashion
1:52:33
Speaker 1: and the look book part. I mean, here's even just one.
1:52:36
Speaker 1: This is like a verscatchy look with that I did. Um,
1:52:39
Speaker 1: I think it came second natured to me because I
1:52:42
Speaker 1: mean I love fashion, I love style. I love I
1:52:47
Speaker 1: feel like every day it's a fashion show. And you know,
1:52:49
Speaker 1: for me, like I said, I'm not a person who
1:52:52
Speaker 1: just sits in the kitchen and just like cooks and
1:52:54
Speaker 1: that's not what I do. I'm not sixty years old
1:52:57
Speaker 1: putting out a cookbook and have twenty kids and it's
1:52:59
Speaker 1: just all about recipes. I mean, I wanted it to
1:53:01
Speaker 1: be true to my brand, true to my image, and
1:53:04
Speaker 1: my image is I literally will be in the kitchen
1:53:08
Speaker 1: fully clothed like this, cooking dinner and that's what you're
1:53:12
Speaker 1: coming home to. I mean, I just wanted to, you know,
1:53:14
Speaker 1: to be a part of really who I am, and
1:53:16
Speaker 1: I love fashion. So I was like, how can I
1:53:18
Speaker 1: really incorporate this to not only make it like a cookbook,
1:53:21
Speaker 1: but make it so true to me yet so fun
1:53:24
Speaker 1: yet so different that hasn't been done. And I'm a
1:53:27
Speaker 1: big person on doing things that haven't been done. I
1:53:29
Speaker 1: don't want to fit in, you know, I want to
1:53:31
Speaker 1: stand out always, and I think doing a cookbook slash
1:53:34
Speaker 1: lookbook and having a different look for every single meal.
1:53:38
Speaker 1: It's never been done, and I just can't wait to
1:53:40
Speaker 1: see everyone who tries to copy it. Now. Well, absolutely,
1:53:43
Speaker 1: I'll tell you something. It's the first. Now fun I
1:53:45
Speaker 1: I said that from the very beginning, that you are
1:53:48
Speaker 1: a comedic actress. You know, uh, you have a sitcom
1:53:52
Speaker 1: skill because I would tell people can do drama, but
1:53:55
Speaker 1: being a funny person, being a sitcom that's a that's
1:53:58
Speaker 1: a talent, that's a skill set it what does this
1:54:01
Speaker 1: fun personality? And let me ask you this, because a
1:54:04
Speaker 1: lot of times people see you on your social media,
1:54:08
Speaker 1: they see your TV, they see this upbeat person. When
1:54:11
Speaker 1: do you shut it down? Because I will tell you
1:54:14
Speaker 1: I was just all the time. Steve Harvey or Kevin
1:54:16
Speaker 1: hard they always think they should be funny all the time.
1:54:18
Speaker 1: They cannot be funny all the time. When do you
1:54:21
Speaker 1: shut it down? When does this fun person shut it down?
1:54:24
Speaker 1: I don't think it ever shuts down. I think I'm
1:54:26
Speaker 1: just fine seven. I think I am just an awesome, delightful,
1:54:31
Speaker 1: always waking up in a great movie person. I mean
1:54:38
Speaker 1: I think I didn't come to my family. It goes again,
1:54:45
Speaker 1: It just plays, it goes again with my family, and
1:54:47
Speaker 1: my family is fun. My family exudes fun. You come
1:54:51
Speaker 1: around us, there's never a dull moment, and it really
1:54:54
Speaker 1: is never a dull moment. I mean, you know, of
1:54:57
Speaker 1: course I'm human. I get in my feelings sometimes too,
1:54:59
Speaker 1: But around my family, you better be in them feelings
1:55:02
Speaker 1: for two minutes or less because after a second, everyone's
1:55:05
Speaker 1: gonna be looking at she's just crazy. So I mean
1:55:08
Speaker 1: when I tell you, just with my family, you can't
1:55:11
Speaker 1: be in a bad mood for long. You know, Um,
1:55:14
Speaker 1: fun is just our life. Fun is our lifestyle. Life
1:55:16
Speaker 1: is too short. We really my mom and my dad
1:55:18
Speaker 1: have done a great job with just always saying, you know,
1:55:21
Speaker 1: you don't stay mad for too long. You don't stay
1:55:22
Speaker 1: in a mad place for too long. You get over it.
1:55:24
Speaker 1: You get over it, you start something new. Every hour
1:55:27
Speaker 1: is a new hour, you know, just to be fun,
1:55:30
Speaker 1: have fun in life. You are fun, You're you're fantastic.
1:55:33
Speaker 1: Now a couple of things, you know. I'm putting my
1:55:35
Speaker 1: I'm putting my casting director, my manager hat on. Okay,
1:55:39
Speaker 1: if somebody offered you a cooking show, would you do it?
1:55:43
Speaker 1: I would okay, cool, okay, cool, I would make it
1:55:45
Speaker 1: my own it wouldn't just be your ordinary there with
1:55:48
Speaker 1: the april O. Can you gonna you'll be in there cooking.
1:55:54
Speaker 1: It's gonna be real. Now, ain't ibody messing with your
1:55:56
Speaker 1: your brain? Now we're gonna just the jelly brain. Okay, now, okay,
1:56:00
Speaker 1: talk show a panel or you want an individual you
1:56:04
Speaker 1: would you do a panel? Talk show? I would do
1:56:07
Speaker 1: um both. I would. I love having different opinions um
1:56:11
Speaker 1: with other people. I love whenever there is a panel
1:56:14
Speaker 1: of there, you know, big and great co stars. I
1:56:18
Speaker 1: think it's so amazing to have that different outlook, especially
1:56:21
Speaker 1: with women. I think it's such a great outlook to have,
1:56:23
Speaker 1: you know, different conversations with a panel of women and
1:56:25
Speaker 1: just different outlooks on life and different perspectives, as well
1:56:28
Speaker 1: as doing individually. I mean, I can hold my own show,
1:56:30
Speaker 1: So I mean, of course I have no doubt. You know,
1:56:33
Speaker 1: your boy just asking for you know, just laying it out,
1:56:36
Speaker 1: opportunities and things like that. Absolutely, we love opportunities. Well,
1:56:40
Speaker 1: the thing, I think that's your natural personality. You know,
1:56:42
Speaker 1: you'll go get it, you know, but you go get
1:56:44
Speaker 1: it with a plan. And that's what I respect about
1:56:46
Speaker 1: what you're trying to do and what you're accomplish in
1:56:48
Speaker 1: a life. But more importantly, you came on money making conversation.
1:56:51
Speaker 1: We talked about the little book cookbook, The Boss Lady
1:56:54
Speaker 1: can cook Book. You can cook, my friend. I expect
1:56:57
Speaker 1: you for that. We were talking the future. I want
1:57:00
Speaker 1: to make sure that you. I'm gonna need some things
1:57:02
Speaker 1: from you, okay when I when I closed this show,
1:57:04
Speaker 1: because I do want to get it over to you
1:57:06
Speaker 1: because in this business about relationships, and when I see
1:57:09
Speaker 1: somebody who's as talented as you, um, I just want
1:57:12
Speaker 1: to give you a shot. Thank you so much because
1:57:16
Speaker 1: you work hard. No, I'm just tearing some jelly. You're
1:57:18
Speaker 1: hard worker. You know you don't get what you're doing,
1:57:20
Speaker 1: because you know what I like about I have six
1:57:22
Speaker 1: sisters and I was four twenty four year old daughter, okay,
1:57:25
Speaker 1: and I love the fact that she's my daughter. And
1:57:29
Speaker 1: I'm sure your father loves the fact that you're his daughter.
1:57:33
Speaker 1: And you represent a lot of great qualities that I
1:57:37
Speaker 1: would like my daughter to see and embrace. And she
1:57:42
Speaker 1: can't sing like you, she can't dance like you, she can't,
1:57:45
Speaker 1: but she has a great fun personality like you. And
1:57:47
Speaker 1: she's an incredible academic student. Uh, in game design. But
1:57:50
Speaker 1: more importantly, you are great young lady, and don't you
1:57:53
Speaker 1: need Okay, thank you so much. Absolutely, I can't change, can't.
1:57:57
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because she's fun in her sleep. Literally literally,
1:58:03
Speaker 1: I've been the same person for twenty four years. I
1:58:05
Speaker 1: can't change now. Thank you for coming on making conversations. Okay,
1:58:09
Speaker 1: thank you for having me. Thank you so much. If
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