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Alaska Summit Sparks Hope: Trump, Putin Edge Closer to Peace Deal · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 1: We've got a major story that we've got to talk about,
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Speaker 1: and I've got all the information you're gonna need, and
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Speaker 1: it deals with Vladimir Putin, Ukraine, Zelensky, and Donald Trump.
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Speaker 1: As you know, the summit took place on August the
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Speaker 1: fifteenth and Anchorage, Alaska, and officials present, including Marco Ruvio
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Speaker 1: and many of the envoy on the US side, said
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Speaker 1: that there was real progress that was made. Democrats in
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Speaker 1: the media, of course, using the Sunday morning shows to
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Speaker 1: lie to the American people. We also now know through
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Speaker 1: sources the territorial proposals have been floated. In fact, quote,
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Speaker 1: a potential peace framework is emerging. Putin reportedly offered to
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Speaker 1: withdraw from small areas in southern Sumi and other areas
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Speaker 1: in exchange for larger concessions from Ukraine. However, the ideas
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Speaker 1: remain controversial and unresolved. Notably, Russia wants Ukraine to renounce
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Speaker 1: NATO membership, partially lift sanctions, and acknowledge Russian sovereignty over CRIMEA.
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Speaker 1: Ukraine firmly rejecting these conditions publicly today. But then there's
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Speaker 1: where are we actually compared to the posturing in public? Well,
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Speaker 1: one of the things we are learning about is security guarantees.
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Speaker 1: In a notable development, Putin apparently agreed to allow the
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Speaker 1: US and Europe to offer Ukraine NATO's style quote unquote
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Speaker 1: security guarantees ach into Article five protections. That is a
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Speaker 1: historic shift in Russia's posture. Now there is no agreement yet.
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Speaker 1: Despite Donald Trump calling the talks productive and the media
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Speaker 1: is saying they're a failure, this seems to be working
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Speaker 1: towards a real formal agreement and both sides are acknowledging
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Speaker 1: that major points will have to be discussed, but they're
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Speaker 1: willing to do it. Now. I'm going to tell you
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Speaker 1: Marco Rubio had to say. He was on face the
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Speaker 1: Nation Democrats saying that Donald Trump got played by Vladimir Putin.
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Speaker 3: It's absurd.
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Speaker 2: They weren't in the room.
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Speaker 1: No he didn't, But there's nothing to say that that's
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Speaker 1: actually what happened.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 1: Of course, the media is running with it because that's
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Speaker 1: what Democrats are saying, and why because they would rather
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Speaker 1: score political points against dond Trump then stop the senseless
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Speaker 1: killing between Russia and Ukraine with the innocent children and
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Speaker 1: women and seniors and men and women in general that
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Speaker 1: are being forced to fight in this war. I want
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Speaker 1: you to hear the Secretary of Saint Rubio on Ukraine
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Speaker 1: and what he says. This meeting with Zelenski is going
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Speaker 1: to really look like this Weekley.
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Speaker 4: If if Vladimir Putin is going to be offered land
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Speaker 4: that he has not seized yet but negotiates his way into,
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Speaker 4: doesn't this set a dangerous precedent that the United States
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Speaker 4: now accepts this concept that it is okay to seize
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Speaker 4: land by force.
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Speaker 5: Well, Putin's already sees land by force and not in
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Speaker 5: and of itself, is not a positive precedent this whole
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Speaker 5: war a you're demanding withdrawal or precedent. Well, again, here's
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Speaker 5: the In order to have a deal here to in
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Speaker 5: to reach the end of this conflict, both sides are
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Speaker 5: going to have to make concessions. That's just a fact
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Speaker 5: any negotiation. No, no, but if, But this is not about accepting.
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Speaker 5: This is about what Ukraine can accept and what Russia
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Speaker 5: can accept. They both have to accept it otherwise there
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Speaker 5: won't be a peace deal. Okay, if there aren't concessions,
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Speaker 5: If one side gets everything they want, that's called surrender.
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Speaker 5: That's called the end of the war through surrender and
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Speaker 5: not what we're close to doing anything close to it.
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Speaker 5: So in order for there to be a peace deal,
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Speaker 5: this is just a fact.
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Speaker 3: Like it.
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Speaker 5: It may not, it may maybe dis taste, but in
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Speaker 5: order for there to be an end of the war,
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Speaker 5: there are things Russia wants that it cannot get and
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Speaker 5: there are things Ukraine wants that it's not going to get.
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Speaker 5: Both sides are going to have to give up something
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Speaker 5: in order to get to the table in order to
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Speaker 5: make this happen. That's just the way it is. And
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Speaker 5: I mean, the sooner we accept that that's the reality. Now,
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Speaker 5: what those things are, it's gonna be up to both sides.
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Speaker 5: There's no conditions that can be imposed on Ukraine. They're
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Speaker 5: gonna have to accept things, but they're gonna have to
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Speaker 5: get things too. And so, for example, Ukraine is a
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Speaker 5: sovereign country. They have a right like every sovereign country
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Speaker 5: does in the world, to have the inner into security
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Speaker 5: alliances with other countries to prevent an invasion in the future,
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Speaker 5: to prevent threats to the national security. That's not an
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Speaker 5: unreasonable request. That's something needs to be worked on. Territories
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Speaker 5: will have to be discussed. It's just a fact, and
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Speaker 5: there are things that maybe Russia's holding now that they're
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Speaker 5: going to have to give up.
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Speaker 2: Who knows.
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Speaker 5: The point is we need to create a scenario where
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Speaker 5: that becomes possible. And that's why this has been so hard,
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Speaker 5: because neither side up to now has been willing to
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Speaker 5: give on some of these things. But we'll see if
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Speaker 5: that's possible. It may not be, but we're gonna try,
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Speaker 5: and we're gonna do everything we can to try to
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Speaker 5: achieve a peace.
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Speaker 1: Think about what Marco Rubio just said there. He says
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Speaker 1: we're moving towards peace. Why would anyone want a root
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Speaker 1: against that? Why would you want to root against President
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump if he is able to get these parties
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Speaker 1: to the table, which by the way, is exactly what
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Speaker 1: he's moving towards right now, getting closer than anybody else has,
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Speaker 1: and he now has at least a framework. And that
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Speaker 1: is part of what Marco Rubio also said on Face
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Speaker 1: the Nation, reminding the host we are moving forward, whether.
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Speaker 3: You like it or not.
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Speaker 4: Asking about the security that you just mentioned there, because
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Speaker 4: Italy's Prime minister says that President Trump provide the idea
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Speaker 4: of security guarantees inspired by NATO's Article five and a
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Speaker 4: collective security clause that would involve the United States. How
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Speaker 4: does that work? Are these US troops that monitors?
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Speaker 5: Well, that's what we're going to be working on.
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Speaker 2: That's why.
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Speaker 5: That's one of the reasons why you know, I talked
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Speaker 5: yesterday to all the national security advisors and a bunch
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Speaker 5: of them from the different year of countries. There are
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Speaker 5: European leaders coming here tomorrow, Heads of state coming tomorrow
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Speaker 5: along with President Zelensky to discuss this in more detail.
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Speaker 5: I mean, the constructs of something like this needs to
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Speaker 5: be built out. A concept is one thing, the reality,
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Speaker 5: you know, how it's built and how it would work
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Speaker 5: is another. But those are the kinds of talks that
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Speaker 5: we're going to be having with them, along with some
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Speaker 5: of the other issues that are at play. But that
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Speaker 5: is one of the if you were to break this
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Speaker 5: thing down. I mean, there are obviously there needs to
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Speaker 5: be an agreement on territories and where the lines are
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Speaker 5: going to be drawn. That's not going to be very easy.
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Speaker 5: That's going to be tough. I think there has to
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Speaker 5: be some discussion about security guarantees for Ukraine because they
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Speaker 5: don't want this war none of us want to see
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Speaker 5: this war in the future. They're a sovereign country. They
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Speaker 5: have a right to have security agreements with other countries
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Speaker 5: and security alliances with other countries. And then there's the
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Speaker 5: whole issue in construction. How do you rebuild the country? Well, potentially,
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Speaker 5: like I said, that's what we're going to be having
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Speaker 5: a conversation about, and that's what we're going to be meeting.
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Speaker 5: That's why they're all coming here tomorrow, and that's why
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Speaker 5: we've been talking on the phone for the last forty
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Speaker 5: eight hours with them, and even leading up to it,
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Speaker 5: throughout the week, there were various meetings just to sort
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Speaker 5: of build out some of these ideas. So all of
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Speaker 5: these right now are ideas. There are concepts that require
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Speaker 5: some more specificity. Will need to work with our partners
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Speaker 5: to see what that looks like. And I think that's
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Speaker 5: an area where potential progress is real. But that alone
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Speaker 5: won't be enough. There's a bunch of other things that
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Speaker 5: have to be worked through.
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Speaker 1: Here we're gonna be working right Notice how he's like,
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Speaker 1: we have things to work through. There's no way everything
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Speaker 1: could be agreed to to stop a multi year war
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Speaker 1: in a three hour time span when only one of
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Speaker 1: the two parties is in the room with President Trump.
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Speaker 1: You think about their definition of success. It was an
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Speaker 1: immediate end of the war, a ceasefire immediately when Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump walked down that meeting in Alaska, that was never
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Speaker 1: gonna happen. Everyone knows that was never gonna happen. There
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Speaker 1: are concessions that may need to be made, there are
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Speaker 1: security guarantees that need to be made. And this goes
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Speaker 1: back to how much the media hates Donald Trump. They
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Speaker 1: would rather him fail then stop the senseless killing around
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Speaker 1: the world. Here's something else that also, Sender Rubio said,
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Speaker 1: it's important listen carefully.
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Speaker 6: Sam any concessions that Vladimir Putin made during this meeting.
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Speaker 6: Has he any prog have any concession in your program?
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Speaker 7: Why would I do that?
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Speaker 3: Where is the question?
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Speaker 5: Because you can't have a piece agreement. Now, you can't
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Speaker 5: have a peace agreement unless both sides give and get.
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Speaker 5: You can't have a piece agreement unless both sides make concessions.
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Speaker 5: That's a fact, that's true, and virtually any negotiation. If not,
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Speaker 5: it's just called surrender. And neither side is going to surrender.
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Speaker 5: So both sides are going to have to make concessions. So,
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Speaker 5: of course concessions were asked. But what utility would there
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Speaker 5: be of me going on a program and tell you
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Speaker 5: we've wagged our finger at Putin and told them you
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Speaker 5: must do this and you must do that. It's only
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Speaker 5: make it's only gonna make it harder and less likely
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Speaker 5: that they're going to agree to these things. So these negotiations,
10:47
Speaker 5: as much as everyone would love it to be a live,
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Speaker 5: pay per view event, these discussions only work best when
10:53
Speaker 5: they are conducted privately. In negotiating serious negotiations in which
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Speaker 5: people who have to go back and bond to constituencies.
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Speaker 5: Because even if thelitarian governments have constituencies they have to
11:05
Speaker 5: respond to people have to go back and defend these
11:07
Speaker 5: agreements that they make and so figure out a way
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Speaker 5: to explain them to people. So we need to create
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Speaker 5: space for concessions to be made. But of course the
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Speaker 5: concessions were asked.
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Speaker 1: Of course concessions were asked. We work and do these
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Speaker 1: discussions in private. Isn't it amazing how the media they
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Speaker 1: believe they're so important that they should be in the
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Speaker 1: middle of negotiations between Russia, Ukraine, the EU, and the
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Speaker 1: United States of America. Leave it to the liberal media
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Speaker 1: to act like this while also hoping that the president fails.
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Speaker 1: The good news is the meetings are continuing, and it
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Speaker 1: looks like President Trump is getting closer to peace, certainly
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Speaker 1: than anyone else has been able to do in the
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Speaker 1: rest of the world. Now, Center Cruz and I sat
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Speaker 1: down to break down even more about this meeting that
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Speaker 1: happened between Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump in Anchorage, Alaska,
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Speaker 1: and I want you to hear what he had to
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Speaker 1: say about what this means for the Senate, the House,
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Speaker 1: and Washington, d C. Especially the meeting coming up with
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Speaker 1: Zelensky at the White House. Take a listen, all right,
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Speaker 1: So let's start at the beginning of this meeting. The
12:11
Speaker 1: first thing that made people lose their minds was the
12:13
Speaker 1: fact that Donald Trump shook hands with Vladimir Putin and
12:16
Speaker 1: they smiled at one another. And that was when, like
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Speaker 1: the entire media just erupted with I can't even believe
12:21
Speaker 1: that they're touching each other and shaking hands. It is
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Speaker 1: truly incredible to watch the meltdown.
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Speaker 3: You know, it is astonishing how the corporate media and
12:29
Speaker 3: the Democrats are rooting for America to fail. They want
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Speaker 3: the president to fail. They hate President Trump so much
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Speaker 3: that actually seeing him succeed in ending this war would
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Speaker 3: be intolerable to the left that hates him so much.
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Speaker 3: And listen, I don't know if he will succeed. This
12:49
Speaker 3: is not easy. This was courageous to go and do
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Speaker 3: this meeting. There is a risk of failure. But if
12:55
Speaker 3: we know anything about President Trump is that he is
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Speaker 3: afraid of very little unplanet Earth, and he's not afraid
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Speaker 3: of Vladimir Putin. And so he went, He invited him
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Speaker 3: to come to Alaska. He went and met one on one.
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Speaker 3: He looked him in the eyes, and he made very
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Speaker 3: clear of this war needs to come to an end.
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Speaker 3: I want you to give a listen to what President
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Speaker 3: Trump said about his meeting with Putin.
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Speaker 8: We were together almost three hours and it was very
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Speaker 8: extensive and we agreed with a lot of points. I
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Speaker 8: mean a lot of points were agreed on, but there's
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Speaker 8: not that much. As you know, one or two pretty
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Speaker 8: significant items, but I think they can be reached. Now
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Speaker 8: it's really up to President Zolynsky to get it done.
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Speaker 8: And I would also say the European nations they have
13:40
Speaker 8: to get involved a little bit. But it's up to
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Speaker 8: Presidents Olynsky. I think we are and if they'd like,
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Speaker 8: I'll be at that next meeting. They're going to set
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Speaker 8: up a meeting now between Presidents Olynsky and President Putin
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Speaker 8: and myself. I guess you know, I didn't even I
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Speaker 8: didn't ask you about it. Not that I want to
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Speaker 8: be there, but I want to make sure it gets done,
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Speaker 8: and we have a pretty good chance of getting it done.
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Speaker 1: If he described it as a pretty good chance of
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Speaker 1: getting it done. Part of this is the economics, and
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Speaker 1: that's something centered that a lot of people have not
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Speaker 1: been talking about. This war is costing Russia a lot
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Speaker 1: of money, and they are a country that is very
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Speaker 1: poor at this point. They're teetering, some would say, economically,
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Speaker 1: and so there is a real chance that Vladimir Putin
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Speaker 1: needs to get out of this from a financial standpoint.
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Speaker 1: That's part of what I think the President clearly was
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Speaker 1: talking to him about as well.
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Speaker 3: I think that's right, and I believe the Ukraine War
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Speaker 3: will end, and it will end this year. That was
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Speaker 3: clearly something President Trump campaigned on. He was explicit to
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Speaker 3: the American people that he intended to end this war.
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Speaker 3: And listen, President Zelenski has been reluctant to reach a
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Speaker 3: peace deal because he wants to recover every square inch
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Speaker 3: of Ukraine. Now, now I understand why he does. You
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Speaker 3: and I, if we we're president of Ukraine, we probably
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Speaker 3: want the same thing. But President Trump has been cleared
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Speaker 3: the United States is out of the business of funding
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Speaker 3: the war. That we have sent billions and billions of
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Speaker 3: dollars to Ukraine and the cash spigot has stopped, and
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Speaker 3: I think that is a powerful incentive to President Zelenski
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Speaker 3: to reach an agreement. You were right that the war
15:23
Speaker 3: has been incredibly costly on Russia. They have poured in
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Speaker 3: enormous money and material and manpower and soldiers who've been lost.
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Speaker 3: And what I've verged, the president is number one in
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Speaker 3: the war, but number two end it in a way
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Speaker 3: that is a clear and discernible loss for Putin. Putin
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Speaker 3: is not our friend. Putin is our enemy. And we
15:49
Speaker 3: do not want our enemy getting stronger. We want our
15:51
Speaker 3: enemies getting weaker. And so my hope is the resolution.
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Speaker 3: There's going to be some kind of negotiated settlement. I
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Speaker 3: think it will be reached later this year. The follow
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Speaker 3: up on Monday today, President Zelenski is scheduled to be
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Speaker 3: in Washington and meet with President Trump. That that'll be
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Speaker 3: the next step. And then the objective is to get
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Speaker 3: Zelenski and Putin together with President Trump and see it
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Speaker 3: see if we can make real progress to a resolution.
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Speaker 3: That is not going to be easy because Zelenski has
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Speaker 3: not wanted to give anything up, and Putin UH generally
16:28
Speaker 3: doesn't want to give anything up either. And and so
16:30
Speaker 3: you've got two people that are pretty dug in in
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Speaker 3: their positions. But I think President Trump is trying to
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Speaker 3: move heaven and Earth UH to to stop the war,
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Speaker 3: to stop the shooting and stop the bloodshed.
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Speaker 1: You talk about the next steps, and let's just go
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Speaker 1: to that meeting with Zelensky. I think it's pretty queer.
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Speaker 1: And a lot of people criticize in the media also
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Speaker 1: Democrats that Zelensky quote wasn't invited to this meeting, and
16:55
Speaker 1: they wanted to hit the president on that. Look, Donald
16:58
Speaker 1: Trump clearly need to get in the room with Ladimir Putin,
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Speaker 1: talk to Putin and probably be able to say some
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Speaker 1: things of Vladimir Putin without Zolensky in the room. There
17:07
Speaker 1: was no indication by the way that Vladimir Putin wanted
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Speaker 1: to meet with Zolensky, And if you look historically at
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Speaker 1: these deals, usually the person the country that brokers the
17:16
Speaker 1: deal has a meeting with one side, first, has a
17:19
Speaker 1: meeting with the other side, then they have that follow
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Speaker 1: up meeting that the President talked about. That has been
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Speaker 1: standard practice for decades and decades and decades, maybe even centuries.
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Speaker 2: Around the world.
17:31
Speaker 1: And yet people wanted to criticize the present for using
17:34
Speaker 1: this strategy, which has been proven to work. Well, I
17:38
Speaker 1: think the President was smart here. You go to this
17:40
Speaker 1: meeting with Zolenski, I'm assuming he's going to treat it
17:43
Speaker 1: very much the same way he treated this meeting with
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Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin, except there is a difference. One's going to
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Speaker 1: be at the White House and one's in Alaska. So
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Speaker 1: I think that also plays out well in the President's favor,
17:54
Speaker 1: with with Zolenski saying, hey, I'm showing your respect. I
17:56
Speaker 1: want to get this deal done. You need to stop
17:59
Speaker 1: the killing for your people. Well that's coming in, I
18:01
Speaker 1: think with a smart idea and strategy.
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Speaker 3: Your reaction, well, look, President Trump, before the meeting in Alaska,
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Speaker 3: he was explicit. He said he wanted to see if
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Speaker 3: Putin is willing to make a deal to reach a resolution.
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Speaker 3: And he was also explicit and he said if if
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Speaker 3: Putin is not, Trump was perfectly prepared to get up
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Speaker 3: and leave and and and remember that that's what President
18:22
Speaker 3: Reagan did when when he met with Mikhail Gorbachev in Raykevic,
18:26
Speaker 3: and Gorbachev was not willing to reach a deal. In particular,
18:30
Speaker 3: Gorbachev wanted Reagan to give up SDI, the Strategic Defense initiative,
18:35
Speaker 3: which was Star Wars, it was missile defense, and Reagan
18:38
Speaker 3: was not willing to give it up. And Reagan got
18:40
Speaker 3: up from the table and left and walked out. And
18:43
Speaker 3: I'll tell you his leaving that negotiation was was a
18:47
Speaker 3: critical element of winning the Cold War because the Soviet
18:52
Speaker 3: Union they did not have the economy to support the
18:55
Speaker 3: military build up. They needed to keep up with SDI
18:58
Speaker 3: to keep up with our military, and we ultimately won
19:01
Speaker 3: the Cold War without firing a shot. I think President
19:04
Speaker 3: Trump did a good job of setting expectations. And I
19:07
Speaker 3: wasn't in the room with with with Trump and and Putin,
19:10
Speaker 3: but I assume he looked at him flat out and said, listen,
19:13
Speaker 3: are you willing to reach a deal or not, and
19:16
Speaker 3: the answer was satisfactory enough that that Trump stayed and
19:20
Speaker 3: continued the meeting. I think that's a step forward. It's
19:23
Speaker 3: a positive step forward. And you know the left is contemptuous,
19:28
Speaker 3: but I want you to listen to this exchange with
19:31
Speaker 3: Brett Bhaer. We asked her, asked Trump about Hillary Clinton,
19:34
Speaker 3: give a listen.
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Speaker 9: In fact, did you see that Hillary Clinton yesterday said
19:39
Speaker 9: that if you got this deal done and not capitulate
19:44
Speaker 9: to Putin, that she would nominate you for the Nobel
19:47
Speaker 9: Peace Prize.
19:48
Speaker 10: If President Trump were the architect of that, I'd nominate
19:51
Speaker 10: him for a Nobel Peace Prize.
19:52
Speaker 7: Well, that was very nice. I may have to start
19:57
Speaker 7: liking her again.
20:00
Speaker 1: Just made me laugh, like when I watched it, because
20:02
Speaker 1: I think he was even like really like Hillary Clinton
20:05
Speaker 1: noticed she had a caveat in there. If it's without capitulating, right,
20:08
Speaker 1: if there's always a caveat.
20:10
Speaker 3: With Dems, well and and and that's their wiggle language.
20:13
Speaker 3: She said, and not capitulate to Putin. So whatever the
20:15
Speaker 3: deal is, if if Putin gets anything at all, Hillary
20:18
Speaker 3: will said nope, Nope, that was capitulating. So I didn't
20:21
Speaker 3: mean it. I'm not nominating him, but but that may
20:24
Speaker 3: be a quote that that that she and the other
20:26
Speaker 3: Democrats come back to regret because I think there's going
20:29
Speaker 3: to be a deal. Uh. And if there is a deal,
20:33
Speaker 3: you can be assured that quote is going to be
20:35
Speaker 3: played multiple times. And and and and if if the
20:37
Speaker 3: President negotiates the deal, she'll try to walk away from
20:42
Speaker 3: it one hundred percent. She tries to walk away from it.
20:44
Speaker 3: But but but it shows you know, she's rooting for
20:48
Speaker 3: failure and and and the other Democrats are are rooting
20:52
Speaker 3: for failure. But and a significant part of the reason
20:55
Speaker 3: understand this war in Ukraine should never have happened. It
21:01
Speaker 3: was unnecessary. This war in Ukraine was caused by two things.
21:06
Speaker 3: It was caused by number one, Joe Biden's disastrous withdraw
21:10
Speaker 3: in Afghanistan. The incompetence, the debacle that unfolded. Every enemy
21:14
Speaker 3: of America took a measure of President Biden and determined
21:17
Speaker 3: that the commander in chief was weak and ineffective. That
21:20
Speaker 3: was a major reason Putin invaded Ukraine. And it was
21:24
Speaker 3: caused secondly by Joe Biden waiving sanctions on Nordstream two.
21:29
Speaker 3: Nordstream two is the undersea pipeline that Putin built from
21:33
Speaker 3: Russia to Germany. And the reason he built that pipeline
21:36
Speaker 3: to carry natural gas was to circumvent Ukraine, because right
21:40
Speaker 3: now Russia's natural gas goes through Ukraine on pipelines, and
21:44
Speaker 3: the purpose of Nordstream two was so that he didn't
21:47
Speaker 3: need to go through Ukraine and he could invade Ukraine.
21:51
Speaker 3: In the first term, I authored sanctions legislation, crushing sanctioned
21:55
Speaker 3: legislation to shut down Nordstream two. It passed the Senate
22:00
Speaker 3: with bipartisan support, It passed the House with bipartisan support.
22:03
Speaker 3: President Trump signed my sanctions legislation into law, and Ben
22:08
Speaker 3: Putin stopped construction of Nordstream to Literally the day President
22:14
Speaker 3: Trump signed my sanctions legislation into law, that legislation stopped
22:20
Speaker 3: the invasion, prevented the invasion, and had the sanctions remained
22:25
Speaker 3: in place, we would not have a war in Ukraine.
22:28
Speaker 3: But Joe Biden came in and waived the sanctions. He
22:31
Speaker 3: gave a multi billion dollar gift to Putin, finished Nordstream
22:36
Speaker 3: two and almost immediately thereafter invaded. And by the way,
22:39
Speaker 3: it's not just me saying this, give a listen to
22:42
Speaker 3: Putin saying this same point. Which is that the war
22:46
Speaker 3: in Ukraine would never have happened if Trump had been
22:49
Speaker 3: president in twenty twenty one. Give a listen.
22:52
Speaker 10: I'd like to remind you that in twenty twenty two,
22:55
Speaker 10: during the last contact with a previous administration, I tried
22:59
Speaker 10: to vince my previous American colleague should not the situation
23:05
Speaker 10: should not be brought to the point of no return
23:11
Speaker 10: when it would come to hostilities, and I said it
23:14
Speaker 10: quite directly back then.
23:16
Speaker 3: That's a big mistake.
23:19
Speaker 10: Today when President Trump saying that if he was the
23:22
Speaker 10: president back then, there will be no more and I'm
23:25
Speaker 10: I'm quite sure that it would indeed be, so I
23:28
Speaker 10: can't confirm that. I think that overall, me and President
23:32
Speaker 10: Trump have built a very good, business like and trustworthy contact,
23:40
Speaker 10: and I have every reason to believe that moving down
23:43
Speaker 10: this path, we can come and the suited better to
23:48
Speaker 10: the end of the conflict in Ukraine.
23:51
Speaker 2: I mean, he said it there.
23:53
Speaker 1: I also think you said it because he's probably messing
23:55
Speaker 1: with our media a little bit, which I love. It's like,
23:58
Speaker 1: you guys are idiots and you're wrong, and if you
24:00
Speaker 1: knew what was actually going on, you tell the truth.
24:03
Speaker 1: It's pretty bad when even Putin knows how to just
24:06
Speaker 1: call out the media.
24:07
Speaker 7: Yeah.
24:07
Speaker 3: Look, and and the media actually behaves like Pravda, behaves
24:12
Speaker 3: like the Soviet media, except they they pitched the hard left,
24:18
Speaker 3: pullit borrow line, and so as a result, they blame
24:22
Speaker 3: everything on President Trump. But understand, Joe Biden, the Democrats
24:28
Speaker 3: caused wars. They caused the war in Ukraine, and I
24:30
Speaker 3: believe about Biden's weakness caused the war in Gaza, caused
24:34
Speaker 3: October seventh. Uh And the world is safer, We have
24:38
Speaker 3: fewer wars when we have a strong commander in chief
24:42
Speaker 3: and President Trump is working, I think, very hard to
24:47
Speaker 3: end this war. Now, one big question is is Zelenski
24:51
Speaker 3: willing to make a deal. And President Trump had some
24:55
Speaker 3: very straightforward advice to President Zelensky. Give a listen, what's your.
25:00
Speaker 7: Advice is to make a deal.
25:02
Speaker 3: Make the deal.
25:03
Speaker 7: Got to make a deal.
25:04
Speaker 10: Yeah.
25:05
Speaker 8: Look, Russia is a very big power, and they're not
25:08
Speaker 8: They're great soldiers and they have great but you know.
25:11
Speaker 7: They also had the best equipment. You know, they had
25:13
Speaker 7: our equipment, and I gave them javelins.
25:15
Speaker 8: If you remember my first term, in fact, it was
25:17
Speaker 8: a statement I gave javelins. You remember the statement I
25:21
Speaker 8: gave javelins and Obama gave because it was Obama at
25:24
Speaker 8: that time.
25:25
Speaker 7: Obama gave them sheets. And that's true.
25:28
Speaker 8: I gave javelins, and a lot of tanks were knocked
25:30
Speaker 8: out because.
25:31
Speaker 7: Of the javelins. The javelins incredible weapon. It's a tank.
25:35
Speaker 8: You know, you look at this big, powerful tank, it
25:38
Speaker 8: ends up being a ball of metal lying on the
25:40
Speaker 8: ground and burning. I'd never say anything like it. We
25:43
Speaker 8: have the greatest military equipment in the world. But they
25:46
Speaker 8: did have courage in fighting, and you know, they're fighting
25:48
Speaker 8: a big war machine.
25:49
Speaker 6: And we.
25:52
Speaker 7: I think are close to a deal, but I won't.
25:54
Speaker 7: I don't like saying it. I always say if I'm
25:57
Speaker 7: really close, I say fifty to.
25:58
Speaker 2: Fifty, fifty to fifty, right. I love how he says that.
26:02
Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, Look, and this was President Trump also made
26:07
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26:11
Speaker 3: and he's coming in now and he's trying to fix
26:14
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28:21
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28:24
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28:27
Speaker 9: Nineteen eighty six, Reagan walks away from Raykovic with Gorbachev
28:32
Speaker 9: and it was a strong moment. I mean, you could
28:34
Speaker 9: foresee if it goes down a bad path, you get
28:37
Speaker 9: up and walk away.
28:39
Speaker 7: I'm not doing it based on history, based on anything else.
28:41
Speaker 7: I'm doing it based on a deal. If we make
28:43
Speaker 7: a deal, great.
28:44
Speaker 8: If I see that there's no hope of making a deal,
28:50
Speaker 8: I'm out of there.
28:51
Speaker 2: It's over.
28:51
Speaker 3: I'm out of there.
28:52
Speaker 7: This isn't my war, this is Biden's war.
28:55
Speaker 8: This is Biden screwed this up, just like he did
28:58
Speaker 8: with Afghanistan, with that horrible retreat, and of the way.
29:01
Speaker 3: He did it.
29:02
Speaker 2: I'll never forget it. He'll never forget it.
29:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, and neither will the the soldiers and sailors and
29:12
Speaker 3: airmen and marines who fought in Afghanistan, who bled, who
29:15
Speaker 3: lost brothers and sisters there, every veteran of that war.
29:21
Speaker 3: Biden's disastrous with retreat is indelibly marked under their conscious.
29:28
Speaker 1: Final question for you on this, if you were meeting
29:30
Speaker 1: with Zolensky about getting this deal done, what would you
29:34
Speaker 1: say to him? What would your advice be, and and
29:38
Speaker 1: how would you see this thing ending if you could
29:40
Speaker 1: do it your way?
29:42
Speaker 3: Well, look, my advice would be the same as as
29:45
Speaker 3: what President Trump's was, which is make a deal. It's
29:47
Speaker 3: got to be a negotiated settlement. So Lincy's not going
29:50
Speaker 3: to get everything he wants. But it is important that
29:54
Speaker 3: that Ukraine have an outcome where their security is protected.
30:00
Speaker 3: And that's one thing that that's one thing that is striking.
30:02
Speaker 3: Putin acknowledged that that was a real concession that Putin
30:06
Speaker 3: said there needs to be an outcome where Ukraine's security
30:10
Speaker 3: is protected. I also think it is important that the
30:14
Speaker 3: resolution of this continues to leave nord Stream too shut down.
30:20
Speaker 3: When I'm meeting with with our European allies, and I
30:22
Speaker 3: do so frequently, a question I posed to them over
30:26
Speaker 3: and over again, as I say, listen, when the war
30:28
Speaker 3: in Ukraine ends, who are you going to buy your
30:31
Speaker 3: energy from? Are you going to buy your energy from
30:34
Speaker 3: Russia or are you going to buy it from the
30:36
Speaker 3: United States? Because I would like to see a resolution
30:39
Speaker 3: to this war that is America first, that puts America first.
30:42
Speaker 3: I'd like to see Europe buying their energy from US
30:45
Speaker 3: and not enriching Putin. And so that's an outcome that
30:48
Speaker 3: I think is very much in America's view. But I
30:51
Speaker 3: want you to listen to Putin I want you to
30:52
Speaker 3: listen to Putin acknowledging the importance of an outcome that
30:58
Speaker 3: protects the security of Ukraine.
31:00
Speaker 10: Give a listen, and I agree with President Trump as
31:03
Speaker 10: he has said today it naturally the security of Ukraine
31:09
Speaker 10: should be insured as well. Naturally we're prepared to welcome that.
31:14
Speaker 10: I like to hope that the agreement that we've reached
31:17
Speaker 10: together will help us bring close to that goal and
31:19
Speaker 10: will pay the path towards peace from Ukraine. We expect
31:23
Speaker 10: that Kiev and European capitals will perceive that constructively and
31:27
Speaker 10: that they won't throw a ranch in the words.
31:31
Speaker 2: Two things there.
31:32
Speaker 1: One, he says it clearly the security of Ukraine should
31:34
Speaker 1: be insured. Now I think this goes back to trust
31:37
Speaker 1: but verify, right, But at least he's saying that.
31:41
Speaker 3: Absolutely. We should not take Putin at his word for that.
31:44
Speaker 3: But it's better that he says it then than he doesn't,
31:48
Speaker 3: and then you hear him at the end.
31:49
Speaker 1: It does seem to be that he's is talking in
31:53
Speaker 1: a way you would talk if you're winding things down.
31:56
Speaker 1: I think you have to read into that a little
31:58
Speaker 1: bit and say, okay, this is not a thing either.
32:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, if he was hell bent on continuing the
32:06
Speaker 3: war and trying to conquer all of Ukraine. He wouldn't
32:09
Speaker 3: say we need to ensure that the security of Ukraine
32:12
Speaker 3: is protected now. He also said and that the Europeans
32:16
Speaker 3: shouldn't throw a wrench into it. And one of the
32:20
Speaker 3: real questions is is there have been some in Europe,
32:23
Speaker 3: and there have been a number of Democrats who've advocated
32:27
Speaker 3: that Ukraine be a member of NATO. I think that
32:30
Speaker 3: would be a real mistake. I've been vocal opposing that.
32:33
Speaker 3: President Trump has been explicit he opposes that. And the
32:36
Speaker 3: reason is NATO. Under Article five of NATO, when a
32:40
Speaker 3: country becomes a member of NATO, the other members take
32:43
Speaker 3: an obligation to defend it in the case of war.
32:46
Speaker 3: And I have zero interest in putting American troops in
32:49
Speaker 3: harm's way defending Ukraine. And and so I think inviting
32:56
Speaker 3: Ukraine to NATO would be a bad mistake. President Trump
32:59
Speaker 3: has made that clar and I think that's what Putin
33:01
Speaker 3: was saying there as well, is that that would do
33:05
Speaker 3: real damage to the prospects of peace. And so I'm
33:08
Speaker 3: glad that President Trump has taking that off the table.
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