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Kamala Moves to Bribe Black Voters w Reparation Payouts IF Elected · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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  Speaker 1: If you're an American taxpayer, you better get ready to
• 0:03
  Speaker 1: get your check book out, and you better get ready
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  Speaker 1: to write a big old check. Why Kamala Harris is
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  Speaker 1: down in the polls. New poll numbers are showing that
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  Speaker 1: she is not doing as well as she was a
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  Speaker 1: week ago, or two weeks ago or three weeks ago,
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  Speaker 1: and that the obsession of trying to convince the American
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  Speaker 1: people that she's somehow the greatest candid ever, well, the
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  Speaker 1: American people don't seem to be buying it. So now
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  Speaker 1: she's having to do what Democrats do, well, buy votes.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, Kamala Harris is out there trying to buy votes.
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  Speaker 1: But her newest scheme is insanely expensive. How much is
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  Speaker 1: it going to cost you? Well, maybe well over a
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  Speaker 1: trillion dollars. Kamala Harris going on a radio show, a
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  Speaker 1: podcast called Charlemagne the God. Okay, get your head around,
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  Speaker 1: that decided it was a good time to pander to
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  Speaker 1: African American voters. What is she selling them? The idea
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  Speaker 1: of forcing US taxpayers to pay reparations to black Americans.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. The same woman that says, you know, because
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  Speaker 1: I grew up in the middle class she's now saying
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  Speaker 1: that if you are white in this country, you should
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  Speaker 1: be punished. The other thing that's interesting about what she
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  Speaker 1: says on Charlemagne the Gods show. You know, this is
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  Speaker 1: after she was doing Call Her Daddy podcast. That's not
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  Speaker 1: a joke, that's the actual name of the show. Kamaia
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  Speaker 1: Heyrris is like, all right, I got to figure out
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  Speaker 1: how to get people to want to vote for me
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  Speaker 1: that are minorities. So what I'll do is, I'll tell
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  Speaker 1: all the taxpayers you're gonna have to pay for reparations. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the question is do African Americans pay the reparations? I
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  Speaker 1: think the answer is probably know they're not, and if
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  Speaker 1: they do, then they're just going to get the money
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  Speaker 1: right back in the form of reparation. So who's really
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  Speaker 1: paying white people? Anyone that's not a minority is going
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  Speaker 1: to pay a ton of money. Kamala Harris in her
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  Speaker 1: own words on Charlemagne the God.
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  Speaker 2: My agenda, well, first of all, on the plane of reparations,
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  Speaker 2: it has to be studied. There's no question about that.
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  Speaker 2: And I've been very clear about that position. In terms
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  Speaker 2: of my immediate plan, I will tell you a few
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  Speaker 2: of the following one as it relates to the economy,
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  Speaker 2: which is a lot of what you have addressed. Look,
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  Speaker 2: I grew up in the middle class. My mother, you know,
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  Speaker 2: worked hard, raised me and my sister, and by the
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  Speaker 2: time I was in high school, she was able to
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  Speaker 2: afford our first home. I know what it means for
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  Speaker 2: an individual and a family to have home ownership. I
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  Speaker 2: also know, in the context of history, nobody got forty
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  Speaker 2: acres and a mule.
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  Speaker 1: Now, so the bare minimum here is she's saying that
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  Speaker 1: if you're African American, you deserve forty acres and a mule. Now,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to translate that right into cash, because that's
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  Speaker 1: what this is going to be. This is going to
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  Speaker 1: be a check from the United States Treasury to everyone
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  Speaker 1: that is African American, saying, here is your payment for reparations.
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  Speaker 1: How much is forty acres and mule worth in twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty four, right, because you're going to have to do
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  Speaker 1: that study in that math. Now, before we get into
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  Speaker 1: let me go back to what I was saying a
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  Speaker 1: moment ago about this story. Donald Trump has posted a
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  Speaker 1: clear five point lead. For example, in North Carolina, former
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  Speaker 1: President Trump has a clear five point lead over Harris
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  Speaker 1: in North Carolina, according to a new Rasmussen poll. The
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  Speaker 1: survey conducted and published on Tuesday, finds that fifty one
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  Speaker 1: percent of likely voters responded that they would back Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump forty six percent for Harris. This is significant because
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump has tacked two more points onto his lead
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  Speaker 1: since September's poll, when he led forty nine to forty
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  Speaker 1: six in the tar Hill state. So this is significant.
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  Speaker 1: Trump has a substantial edge with male voters as well,
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  Speaker 1: fifty six percent to forty two percent, and Harris only
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  Speaker 1: has a slight advantage with women fifty one to forty
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  Speaker 1: seven percent. What is more, the former present is winning
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  Speaker 1: twenty six percent. Listen carefully, Former President Trump is winning
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  Speaker 1: twenty six percent of the African American vote in the
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  Speaker 1: tar Hill state. Other minorities preferred Trump to Harris by
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  Speaker 1: a nearly three in five ratio. So they looked at
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  Speaker 1: these whole numbers and they're like, all right, how do
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  Speaker 1: we get them to sway back and come back our way? Well, clearly,
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  Speaker 1: it's unacceptable that twenty six percent of Blacks are now
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  Speaker 1: saying that they're all in for Donald Trump. We can't
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  Speaker 1: have that. How do we buy their votes back? We
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  Speaker 1: can't tell them that it's Bidenomics it's going to work,
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  Speaker 1: because they're not buying that we can't tell them that
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  Speaker 1: their life is great right now and that home ownership
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  Speaker 1: is a real possibility or affordable because it's not. And so,
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  Speaker 1: and we've kind of worn out the whole Donald Trump
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  Speaker 1: is evil because they were actually African Americans' minorities were
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  Speaker 1: doing much better under Donald Trump than they ever have
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  Speaker 1: under Biden Harris. So what do you do? How do
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  Speaker 1: you fight back? Well, it seems to be pretty simple.
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  Speaker 1: You buy votes. So you go after the twenty six
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  Speaker 1: percent of African Americans and are now supporting Donald Trump,
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  Speaker 1: for example in South Carolina, and you say, how can
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  Speaker 1: I buy their vote? Reparations? That's I'm sure what the
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  Speaker 1: campaign said. They said, great, how do we get the
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  Speaker 1: message out? We're gonna go on African American shows, charlemag
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  Speaker 1: the Gods, one of the biggest. We'll put you on there.
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  Speaker 1: We'll make sure. He asked you a question about reparations.
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  Speaker 1: You answer, there's no doubt. We need reparations and we
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  Speaker 1: need to study it. And my team is going to
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  Speaker 1: work on this. And what I do know is that
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  Speaker 1: every African American I know never got there forty acres
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  Speaker 1: and a mule. And so that's the baseline of your payout.
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  Speaker 1: I also want to make it clear I don't believe
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  Speaker 1: that Kamala Harris has any intention of actually paying out
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  Speaker 1: to every African American. And massive sum of money that
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  Speaker 1: if you adjust forty acres a mule for you know,
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  Speaker 1: things like inflation and how many years it's been since
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  Speaker 1: that was put into writing. I think we can all
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  Speaker 1: agree this is a trillion dollar plan. How do you
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  Speaker 1: pay for it? And are you gonna only accept checks
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  Speaker 1: from white people that pay these taxes and that African
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  Speaker 1: Americans don't pay like the idea that on a national level,
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  Speaker 1: this is what she's proposing. You need to understand why
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  Speaker 1: it is to buy votes. And by the way, I
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  Speaker 1: think she's lying to the African Americans that are going
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  Speaker 1: to vote for I really do. I think she is
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  Speaker 1: lying to them. I think she is lying when she says, oh,
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  Speaker 1: there's no doubt about it. This is something I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to work on. There is no doubt about it. This
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  Speaker 1: is something that's a core you know, I am considering
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  Speaker 1: a plan to force US taxpayers to pay reparations to
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  Speaker 1: blacks because I grew up around other blacks that need
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  Speaker 1: the money, and you didn't get your forty acres in
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  Speaker 1: a mule. This is total insanity. I also think that
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  Speaker 1: the timing of this fits with the timing that I
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  Speaker 1: talked about yesterday. Right now, Kama Harris is feeling desperate.
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  Speaker 1: That's exactly why she's going on Fox News Channel to
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  Speaker 1: do an interview with Brett Baer because she is desperate.
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  Speaker 1: The polls are changing. Other candidates on the Democratic side
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  Speaker 1: are very concerned right now. They're extremely concerned that Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump and what he's saying right now is working. I'll
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  Speaker 1: give you another example of this. Uh, the Economic Club
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  Speaker 1: of Chicago hosted Donald Trump. They were talking to him
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  Speaker 1: about the economy, and this is where he wins with
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  Speaker 1: minority voters. Listen to what he says to voters about
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  Speaker 1: our economy.
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  Speaker 3: This is a party, the Republican Party of common sense.
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  Speaker 3: I forget about conservative liberal, let's say conservative, but we're
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  Speaker 3: really a party of We need borders, we need fair elections.
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  Speaker 3: We don't want men playing in women's sports, we don't
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  Speaker 3: want transgender operations without parental consent. You know, it's there's
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  Speaker 3: so many things, but it's ninety nine is common sense.
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  Speaker 3: It really has common sense, and I like to say it.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if anyone said it in the past,
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  Speaker 3: but I say, we're really a party of common sense,
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  Speaker 3: and we want to have great people in our country.
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  Speaker 3: I want to have a lot of people come in
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  Speaker 3: so that you have your choice. I want to you know,
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  Speaker 3: I have a good heart. I have a heart where
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  Speaker 3: I want people to be taken care of. But I
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  Speaker 3: don't want to take in people where they Millions of people,
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  Speaker 3: twenty one million people at the least, have come in
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  Speaker 3: in the last three and a half years, unvetted, unchecked.
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  Speaker 3: We don't know anything about him. We don't know how
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  Speaker 3: about this.
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  Speaker 1: He's right, by the way on this. Let's just go
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  Speaker 1: back to one of his quotes real quick. We need borders,
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  Speaker 1: we need fair elections. We don't want them playing in
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  Speaker 1: men playing in women's sports. We don't want transgender operations
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  Speaker 1: without parental consents. This is niney nine point nine percent
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  Speaker 1: common sense to the majority of Americans. And the Republican
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  Speaker 1: Party has become the Party of common sense because of
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  Speaker 1: these And by the way, there's no room for common
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  Speaker 1: sense the Democratic Party. I'll give you a great example
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  Speaker 1: of this. Bill Clinton was out there campaigning for Harris,
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  Speaker 1: but he said something he wasn't supposed to say. He
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  Speaker 1: said that Lake and Riley's death probably would wouldn't have
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  Speaker 1: happened if the border was secure. Senator Cruz and I
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  Speaker 1: set down to talk about this issue because it's an
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  Speaker 1: important one, and I want you to hear what he
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  Speaker 1: had to say about Bill Clinton telling the truth by
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  Speaker 1: accident at a campaign event for Harrison Wolves. So cenator,
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  Speaker 1: this happened, and this was obviously not something with Bill
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  Speaker 1: Clinton that the Democrats were hoping he would say or
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  Speaker 1: wanting him to say. This was clearly an oops moment
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  Speaker 1: where he told the truth and that's why people were
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  Speaker 1: mad at him. That if illegal immigrants had been vetted properly,
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  Speaker 1: then people wouldn't be dying, specifically Lake and Riley, which
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  Speaker 1: we've talked about extensively on this show. I actually think
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  Speaker 1: it's a pretty brave moment for Bill Clinton to buck
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  Speaker 1: his party.
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  Speaker 4: Well it is, but let's play the clip and then
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  Speaker 4: we're gonna break down exactly what he said and why
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  Speaker 4: said it.
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  Speaker 5: He got a case in Georgian not very long ago,
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  Speaker 5: didn't you. They made an ad about it about it,
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  Speaker 5: young woman who'd been killed by emigrant. Yeah, well it's
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  Speaker 5: say it all and then properly vetted, that probably wouldn't
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  Speaker 5: have happened. But if they all properly vetted and that
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  Speaker 5: doesn't happen, and America is not having enough babies to
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  Speaker 5: keep our populations up, so we need immigrants that have
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  Speaker 5: been vetted to do work, there wouldn't be a problem.
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  Speaker 5: And he couldn't keep people all torn up and upset.
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  Speaker 1: Senator I knew someone had to take Joe Biden's place
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  Speaker 1: with the microphone next as the Democrat. That's kind of
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  Speaker 1: just goes off script. I didn't know it was gonna
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  Speaker 1: be Bill Clinton so quickly. But here we are. He's
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  Speaker 1: got his Harris Waltz head on and he's telling truths
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  Speaker 1: like he's helping him and it's actually hurting them.
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  Speaker 4: Well, let me say a couple of things. One, Bill
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  Speaker 4: Clinton's absolutely right that if the immigrants of the border
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  Speaker 4: had been properly vetted, in other words, if they'd come
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  Speaker 4: in legally and we knew who they were, and we
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  Speaker 4: could do criminal background checks, and we could not let
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  Speaker 4: in murderers, we cannot let in rapists, we could not
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  Speaker 4: let in child in lesters, we could not let in
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  Speaker 4: gang members, and we could not let in terrorists. If
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  Speaker 4: the immigrants coming in had been properly vetted, Lake and
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  Speaker 4: Riley would still be alive, and by the way, let
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  Speaker 4: me elaborate, Rachel Marin would still be alive. Joscelyn Hungary
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  Speaker 4: would still be alive if Joe Biden and Kamala Harris
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  Speaker 4: and congressional Democrats had not opened up our border to
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  Speaker 4: now nearly twelve million illegal immigrants to an invasion. But
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  Speaker 4: they have no idea who's coming in. They've opened it
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  Speaker 4: up for every criminal who wants to come to America
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  Speaker 4: to come in. And by the way, we in particular,
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  Speaker 4: we are seeing countries like Venezuela Maduro very deliberately emptying
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  Speaker 4: the jail, sending murderers here, getting rid of every bad
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  Speaker 4: guy he can find in his country, saying go to America,
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  Speaker 4: go kill Americans. So what Bill Clinton said was absolutely correct.
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  Speaker 4: But there's the old line that a gaff is when
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: a politician accidentally speaks the truth. Everyone knows what Bill
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  Speaker 4: Clinton said is right. Even Kamala Harris knows what he
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  Speaker 4: said is right. She just can't admit it because she's
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  Speaker 4: claiming okay. Alternately, at times she says the border is secure.
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  Speaker 4: At other times, she says, it's not secure, but I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to make it secure by doing the same thing
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  Speaker 4: that I've been doing for the last four years. As
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  Speaker 4: borders are that caused this crisis. But let me say
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: a second point about Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton would not
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  Speaker 4: be welcomed in the Democrat Party of today. Listen, Bill Clinton.
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  Speaker 4: I wasn't a huge fan. I wasn't a huge fan
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  Speaker 4: of his when he was president, but he was comparatively speaking,
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  Speaker 4: a moderate Democrat. And understand the time period. You know,
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: people ask me sometimes they say, Okay, Ted, how do
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  Speaker 4: we change this world we're in where the Democrats are
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  Speaker 4: so radical, so extreme. They're embracing things like open borders.
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  Speaker 4: They're embracing things like defund the police. They're embracing things
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  Speaker 4: like they don't know what a woman is and boys
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  Speaker 4: and girls sports and all sorts of things that even
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  Speaker 4: a few years ago would have been viewed as nutty.
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  Speaker 4: And I think the only answer is that they got
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  Speaker 4: to have a thumpin. I don't know if you remember
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: that phrase thumping. That actually is a quote from George W.
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  Speaker 4: Bush after two thousand and six, after the Republicans got
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  Speaker 4: clobbered and bushed at a press conference and said we
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  Speaker 4: had a thumping, and actually robm Emmanuel wrote a book
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  Speaker 4: called Thumping because it was a bad thumping. Look, if
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: you look back at the Democrats in the eighties and nineties,
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: in the eighties and nineties, we elected Ronald Reagan, then
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: Ronald Reagan than George Herbert Walker Bush. Republicans won the
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: presidency for twelve consecutive years, and the Democrats in that
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: period they nominated Jimmy Carter, then they nominated Walter Mondale,
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  Speaker 4: who was even more liberal. They nominated Michael Ducaccus, who
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: was even more liberal. And after twelve years of getting
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  Speaker 4: a thumpin getting clobbered at the polls, not just losing,
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  Speaker 4: but losing badly, in nineteen eighty four, all right, Ben,
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  Speaker 4: you know this, but many of our listeners might not.
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  Speaker 4: How many states did Reagan win in nineteen eighty four.
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  Speaker 1: Oh gosh, it was a ton it was, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it was impressive.
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  Speaker 4: Forty nine, forty nine. He won every state but Minnesota,
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  Speaker 4: and he almost won Minnesota, which was Bondale's home state.
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  Speaker 4: He won Massachusetts, he won New York, he won California.
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  Speaker 4: Like every blue state in the country voted for Ronald
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  Speaker 4: Reagan in nineteen eighty four. So after the Democrats got
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: clobbernating and got clobber in eighty four, he got clobber
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  Speaker 4: in eighty eight, they did did a rethinking. They said, okay,
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  Speaker 4: nominating hardcore lefties is not working and we're getting killed.
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  Speaker 4: And so what did they do? They picked this this
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  Speaker 4: moderate Democrat governor from Arkansas. And Bill Clinton was head
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  Speaker 4: of the DLC, the Democrat Leadership Coalition, which was explicitly
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  Speaker 4: formed as a centrist organization, as a group of Democrats
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  Speaker 4: rejecting the crazy left and the views of Bill Clinton.
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  Speaker 4: He would be driven out. There is not a single
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  Speaker 4: senator in the US Senate, certainly not after next year,
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  Speaker 4: after Joe Manchin and Kirsten Cinema leave, There's not a
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  Speaker 4: single Democrat senator whose views are even remotely close to
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  Speaker 4: Bill Clinton. He would be unrecognizable in today's Democrat Party.
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  Speaker 4: So when he's looking at you know, but when Bill
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  Speaker 4: Clinton was president, he didn't open the borders and just
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  Speaker 4: allow murderers and rapists to flood in. And so he
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  Speaker 4: said something publicly that any rational person knows. But in
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  Speaker 4: today's hyper politicized left wing Democrat party, it's considered verboten
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: to say it out loud.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: There's also something else that I think is very interesting,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: and that is when you hear him say this, you
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: could actually hear people in the crowd are with him.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that every one people, everyone knows this.
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: Everyone knows this, that that's part of the weird vacation
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  Speaker 4: from history we're in. Even the Zelots know this is true,
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: they just don't care. But of course the crowd agreed.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: Everyone knows. Should we have let in psychopathic murderers who
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: rape and murder women? No, But Kamala Harris is not
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: willing to change. The Congressional Democrats are not willing.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: To change this border issue, and I'm talking specifically about
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: the threats to people. I actually think this is becoming
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: a bigger issue in the last twenty five days than
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: anyone thought thirty or forty or fifty days ago. I
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: think a lot of people in the media thought, and
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: a lot of Democrats thought, Uh, this isn't going to
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: be that big of an issue. It is, and I
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: think voters care about it coast to coast more than
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: they real I think the Democrats underestimated the damage they
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: had done to the American people by allowing ten fifteen,
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  Speaker 1: twenty million illegal immigrants, and especially the reporting that we've
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: talked about here that they knowingly let in convicted child molesters,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: child rapists, rapist sexual abusers, and convicted murderers. Oh and
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: that doesn't even count all the other people that were
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: convicted of other crimes that aren't on those two horrific
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: lists that I just mentioned. I think this may be
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  Speaker 1: something that costs them real elections across the country.
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  Speaker 4: Thirteen thousand, that's a number every person should know. Thirteen
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: thousand is the number of convicted murders, people with homicide
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: convictions who are illegal aliens who are currently free and
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: wandering around America, and Kamala Harris refuses to arrest and
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: deport that number should be zero. By the way, there
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: are another two thousand who are illegal immigrants who are
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: facing current homicide charges. In other words, they're currently being
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: prosecuted for murder and understand the fact that they haven't
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: been convicted yet a murder with an illegal immigrant, they
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: have no entitlement to be free at all. In other words,
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: the federal government could go arrest them and detain them
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: right now. This instant under federal law. Give me any
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: rational reason why any of those two thousand illegal immigrants
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: who are currently being prosecuted for murder should be allowed
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: to go free. How many more people are they killing
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: while they're free? And I have yet to see a
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: single reporter ask Kamala Harris, why don't you arrest the
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: thirteen thousand murderers right now? Why don't you arrest the
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: two thousand alleged murders charge murderers right now? By the way,
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: fifteen thousand. Here's another stat that's the number of convicted
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: rapists who are illegal immigrants who are free and wandering around,
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: and Kamala Harris will not arrest. Those are issues where look,
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: I don't care if you're right or left. Maybe you're
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: middle of the road. Maybe you're a political, I don't know,
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: irrational and reasonable American who says, gosh, what do you
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: think of the federal government allowing murderers and rapists who
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: our legal immigrants to wander into your neighborhood and potentially
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: live next door to you? Everyone says hell know, which
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: is why when Bill Clinton says the obvious, you get
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: gasps from elected Democrats from the Kamala Haaris campaign, from
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: from the media, because the media they don't report on
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: facts anymore. Instead they're the propagandists for the Democrat Party.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: And so saying what Bill Clinton said the thing to understand. Look,
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: there's a joke I tell on the campaign traw. You've
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: heard me tell this. I say, listen, the Democrats who
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: are saying this nonsense, they all know they're lying, one
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: hundred percent of them. And and when what I say
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: at a campaign rally is all right, I can prove
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: to you right now that Joe Biden knows what a
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: woman is. And people kind of pause and they sort
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: of raise an eyebrown and they're like, all right, what's
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: he going to say? And I say, look, Joe Biden
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: only sniff's the hair of girls. I've been in the
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  Speaker 4: Senate twelve years. I have never once seen Joe Biden
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: come up to Chuck Schumer and sniff his hair. He knows.
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: And you know what, Ben, I'm even more certain Bill
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: Clinton knows what a woman is. If there's one thing
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: Bill Clinton knows.
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  Speaker 1: It's that.
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: And in this point, it's true on the bizarre, Yes,
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: it's true. On the bizarre, we don't know what a
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: woman is. We don't know what a mother is. But
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: it's also true on this open border insanity that they
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: get that releasing thousands upon thousands of murderers and rapists
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: in this country is really bad, But they all just
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: make the decision we want votes more than we care
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• 23:52
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• 23:56
  Speaker 4: that sounds really harsh and partisan. But let me ask you, Ben, seriously,
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: give me another justification if it's not we want votes
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: to stay in power. Give me any other plausible justification
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: for why Kamala Harris wouldn't arrest the thirteen thousand convicted
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• 25:59
  Speaker 1: the numbers are down and things are moving in the
• 26:02
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  Speaker 1: We know that the Biden administration made a deal with
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  Speaker 1: Mexico and they started moving people away from the border temporarily.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: They started, you know, trying to make the numbers come
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• 26:18
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• 26:21
  Speaker 1: migrant caravans plural that are headed north trying to quote
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• 26:36
  Speaker 4: The human traffickers are looking at the same polling numbers
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: that the Kamala Harris campaign is looking at. They are
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: recognizing that the swing states are all moving towards Trump.
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  Speaker 4: They're all getting reader that the chances of Trump winning
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: are rising every single day, and they're starting to panic
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: because they realize, if Donald Trump is re elected president,
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: if we have a Republican Senate, if we have a
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: Republican House, we will secure the border, and we will
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: do it in January and February of next year. It
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: will be secure. So they're panicking. So here's a brand
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: new story from Breitbart that says, quote, a new migrant
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: caravan of approximately one thousand migrants departed from Mexico's southern
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: border this weekend to make its way to Mexico City.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: From there, the group is expected to disperse and find
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: various ways to reach the US border. The caravan is
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: the second to start in Mexico since October first, when
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: the country's new president, Claudia Shinbaum took office. The caravan
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: began early Sunday morning in Tapachula, Chiappas and has been
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: officially named quote God is Guiding Us. The caravan comprises
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: approximately one thousand migrants from Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Haiti, Panama,
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: and Costa Rica, as well as some migrants from Afghanistan
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: and Nepal. The group plans to make its way to
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: Mexico City, with the ultimate goal being the US border.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: The migrants who make up the caravan have received legal
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: status in Mexico and we're in the process of waiting
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: in Chioppas for an appointment for the Biden Harris administration's
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: CBP one application. However, the group's organizers got tired of
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: the long wait times. By the way, the waight times
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: are designed to be just long enough to get after
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: election day. That's me cynically observing exactly what they're doing.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: Let me go back to the article. According to Jonathan Rojas,
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: the group fears the rhetoric former US President Donald J.
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: Trump voice that he would close the current immigration pathway.
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: Rojas claimed that he was traveling due to economic reasons,
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: due to the lack of opportunities in his native Columbia.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: There is real concern that if he Trump gets elected,
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: they will close the border. Rojas said, we can't keep
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: waiting for them to give us an appointment. Conditions here
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: in Chioppas are not healthy. There are too many of
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: us and not enough supplies in space. They the Mexican
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: government need to help us. According to Venezuela's la Verdad,
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: the migrants in the caravan claimed that there were food
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: shortages in Chioppus and a lack of medical care. The
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: publication also notice that the driving factor behind the migrants
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: desire to reach the United States was economic need. Now,
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: let me point out economic need is not a basis
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: for asylum under US law. If but they are coming,
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: and they are coming because they know under way.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Wait wait wait, wait, wait wait, let's say that again,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: because this is something that I think many Americans don't
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: understand about those that seeking asylum, and explain that more
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: the law what it says, because this is part of
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: the abuse by the left is they make you think
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: that if anyone in the world is in essence, not
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: happy with the conditions of where they are in their
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: life or what they're living, where they're living, or who's
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: in charge of a country that that therefore means they
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: should immediately go to the front of the line and
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: come straight into American we should take care of them.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: And you just says that it's really important you don't
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: just allow people to come in into this country because
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: they don't like their quote economic conditions.
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: That's exactly right what US law is as we have asylum.
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: We offer people asylum, but to qualify for asylum, you
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: have to demonstrate a quote credible fear of political persecution.
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: If you're in say a communist country, and you can
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: demonstrate the government, if they capture you, they're going to
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: torture you, they're going to kill you. That's typically the
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: kind of showing you've got to demonstrate to qualify for asylum.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: It's explicitly political persecution. And one of the reason is, look,
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: there're seven to eight billion people on planet Earth, that
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: there are billions of people living in poverty. Our nation
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: has about three hundred and thirty million Americans. We don't
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: have the capacity, we don't have the ability to provide
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: for billions of people flooding in who are simply in
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: poverty and would like to live better, particularly when you
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: combine it with the democrats welfare state, because understand, Kamala
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: Harris doesn't just provide open border. She says, you get
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: here and we'll give you welfare, we'll give you free healthcare,
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: we will give you money. And so frankly, look, I
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: understand why the people come to this country. If you're
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: living in poverty and you get to come to America
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: and these idiots in the government are going to give
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: you free everything, why wouldn't you come? But that is
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: not US law. Economic need poverty does not qualify for asylum,
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: and the Democrats don't care. They're not even pretending this
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: meets US law. So what they do, here's the game.
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: You show up. And by the way, just about every
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: one of these these illegal immigrants is trained by the
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: traffickers to say I'm claiming asylum. Now the Biden administration
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: knows that when their claim is adjudicated, that fewer than
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: ten percent will meet the standards for asylum. That almost
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: none of them have any credible fear. They're simple, and
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: they want a better life, and they want handouts. But
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: what Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are doing is they say, Okay,
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: we'll take you for asylum. We'll set you a court
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: date three, four, five, ten years in the future, and
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: in the meantime, we'll let you go. Welcome to America.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: And by the way, a bunch of them are never
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: seen again. That policy is called catch and release. That
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: when people are apprehended, they let him go. By the way,
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: how did the murderer who killed Lake and Riley get
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: to Georgia because of catch and release? Because Joe Biden
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: and Kamala Harris apprehended him and let him go. How
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: did the murderer who killed Rachel Morin get to suburban
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: Maryland because a catch and release Joe Biden Kamala Harris
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: apprehended him and let him go. How did the two
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: murderers and rapists who raped and murdered Joscelyn Nunger get
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: to Houston, Texas because Joe Biden and Kamala Harris did
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: catch and release. They caught him, they cut both of them,
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: they had them in custody, and they released them. There
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: is no credible argument with with with these criminals that
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: eat the standards of asylum, but Kamala Harris doesn't care.
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: I think there's even something else that's just a personal
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: example that we've talked about in the past on the show.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: It is the beginning of your last book. Your dad
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: was a poster child for someone that would deserve and
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: need asylum in the US because of political persecution, the
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: genuine fear of death when he fled Cuba. Let's just
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: take a moment and let people understand how far that
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: pendulum has swung since your dad was a political refugee
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: basically in the US. I think I'm describing that correctly.
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: My father was a political refugee. Actually came initially on
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: a student visa, so he was admitted to the University
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: of Texas. He came in nineteen fifty seven, and so
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: he studied at UT. He got a degree in ut
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: graduated in sixty one with a degree in math. And
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: at that point Castro had taken over and had begun
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: persecuting dissonance. My aunt, might Theo Sonia, I was with
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: both my father and might Theosonia this evening. Might Theo
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: Sonia fought in the counter revolution against Castro. Might Theo
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: Sonia was in prison, she was tortured by Castro and
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: so my family, my father was granted asylum status because
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: why if he came back to Cuba, they'd murder him.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: Might thea Sonia got out of Cuba and she was
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: granted asylum status because again the government, they had a
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: credible fear. They met the legal standard we see from
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: communist countries that persecute dictators. That's what the asylum laws
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: were made for, is if you can demonstrate if I
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: go back to my country, the government will imprison me,
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: torture me, kill me. That's why we have asylum laws.
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: The claim was not just I'm in poverty and I
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: would like to live in America. And the reason our
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: laws don't grant a special status to that is they're
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: literally billions of people that fall into that category and
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: we do not have the capacity. And I want to
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: make a point here, Ben, because you know, sometimes people
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: on the left say, oh gosh, we're just so compassionate
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: when it comes to immigration. Understand, there is no country
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: on planet Earth that is more compassionate, that is more
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: generous when it comes to immigration than the United States
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: of America. Every year, we let in more than one
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: million legal immigrants. There's no other country that's doing that.
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: You can't do that in France, you can't do that.
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: In Britain, you can't do that in Australia, you can't
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: do that in Japan. Name your country. None of them
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: do what America does. So we are we welcome immigrants.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: But there's a right way to come. You come legally,
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: you follow the rules, you wait in line. That's the
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: way the system is meant to go. And it goes
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: back to our first story, Bill Clinton, if they'd been
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: properly vetted, you know what, if you're trying to come
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: in legally, if you're a member of Venezuelan gang, if
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: you're a murderer, if you're a rapist, if you're a
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: child molester, you're not going to get in legally when
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: you're vetted. Which is why these open borders are called.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: Housing such devastations and they are making American families much
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: much less safe.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Final question on this, and it's an important one. I
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: think the American people are really understanding the game here,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: and they're understanding that these migrant caravans are coming and
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: they're running here in case Trump gets elected. They even
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: understand this election is either about a wide open border
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: that continues in mass amnesty or law and order in
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: a secure border with Donald Trump. If the illegal immigrants
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: that are rushing to get in here before Donald Trump
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: would take office, that's that's clearly they're right that they're
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: saying this right, they're the ones they're telling us this.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Then then then shouldn't every American take a look at
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: that and realize just the difference, uh of of the
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: perspective from an illegal immigrant senator? If this is what
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: they're doing right now ahead of time to understand, like,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: there's two policies here, They're two very different and no
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: matter what Heros says, no matter what Walla says, the
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: illegal immigrants know that they are good for business. That's
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: good for human trafficking, sex trafficking, drug trafficking. The list
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: goes on and on, and Donald Trump is going to
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: shut it down. The party's over. I think that's an
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: incredibly important point that needs to be made. These illegal
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: immigrants get it.
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: They do. And you know another number that everyone should
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: know is two thousand, six hundred percent. Do you know
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: what twenty six hundred percent is.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: I'm going to guess the amount of illegal immigration that's
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: gone up since they got into office.
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: No, now, it's actually a different stat than that. So
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: in twenty eighteen, the Mexican drug cartels were earning roughly
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: five hundred million dollars in revenue from human trafficking. Now, look,
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: five hundred million dollars a lot of money. Do you
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  Speaker 4: know how much they make last year? I hell of
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  Speaker 4: a lot more than that, thirteen billion dollars And those
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  Speaker 4: stats are from the New York Times. That is a
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  Speaker 4: two thousand and six hundred percent increase. Joe Biden and
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  Speaker 4: Kamala Harris have been incredibly good. In fact, I've joked,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the standard test for any presidential election is
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  Speaker 4: are you better off now than you were four years ago?
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  Speaker 4: And I've joked unless you're a Mexican drug lord. And
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  Speaker 4: by the way, if you are a Mexican drug lord,
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  Speaker 4: you should definitely vote for Kamala Harris because she's made
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  Speaker 4: you billions and billions of dollars. You would be an
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  Speaker 4: idiot if you're a Mexican drug lord not to vote
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  Speaker 4: for Kamala Harris. But if you're not, for just about
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  Speaker 4: everyone else, life has gotten a lot worse. That number
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  Speaker 4: is staggery and one of the consequences of it is
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  Speaker 4: Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have devastated the nation of Mexico.
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  Speaker 4: Mexico is a wonderful nation. In Texas, it is our
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  Speaker 4: immediate southern neighbor, Texas and Mexican culture. Sure, there's enormous overlap.
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  Speaker 4: I'll tell you twenty thirty years ago, you go to
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  Speaker 4: South Texas, people would cross the border back and forth.
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  Speaker 4: If you were in Laredo, you'd go down in Nueva Laredo,
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  Speaker 4: you'd have dinner at a Mexican restaurant, you come back
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  Speaker 4: and forth. I mean, there was this cross border culture
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  Speaker 4: that was wonderful. Nobody does that anymore, like because the
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  Speaker 4: violence the cartels. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have made
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  Speaker 4: the drug cartels the most powerful economic force in Mexico,
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  Speaker 4: and they are vicious, utterly amorl criminals. There are. I
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  Speaker 4: met with the mayor of a border town in Mexico
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  Speaker 4: who told me, in his town alone, there had been
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  Speaker 4: more than three thousand disappearances, just people who disappear, who
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  Speaker 4: the cartels kidnap, they murder, and they're found just in
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  Speaker 4: pits of dead bodies. That's what Biden and Harris have
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  Speaker 4: done to Mexico is they have undermined public safety to
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  Speaker 4: a level. They have turned these cartels into superpowers. And
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  Speaker 4: it is tragic what's happening to Mexico, but it's also
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  Speaker 4: tragic what's happening to America.
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