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What They’re Not Telling You About the Epstein Files · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 1: All right, let's deal comprehensively with the entire epscene scandal,
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Speaker 1: the papers, what should be put out there, and the
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Speaker 1: media obsessing over this story. On top of the fact
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Speaker 1: that the Wall Street Journal has come out with a
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Speaker 1: massive hit piece on Donald Trump, He's now threatening to
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Speaker 1: sue the Wall Street Journal. Now you want to know
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Speaker 1: how crazy this article is. Even Chris Cuomo speaking out
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Speaker 1: about the Wall Street Journal's reporting, and I want you
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Speaker 1: to listen to what he had to say.
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Speaker 2: But I get that he's pissed off, okay, and he's
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Speaker 2: not wrong. This Wall Street Journal piece is a hack job, okay.
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Speaker 2: And he says he's suing Rupert Murdoch, who he you know,
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Speaker 2: is his buddy.
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Speaker 3: They have, you know, Fox kind.
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Speaker 2: Of made Trump, you know, And he's suing the Journal,
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Speaker 2: He's suing everybody. He says he didn't write the birthday
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Speaker 2: letter that there is describing to him to Epstein for
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Speaker 2: his fiftieth birthday. I mean, it's so stupid, Okay.
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Speaker 4: The Epstein story is.
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Speaker 2: About abusing kids who didn't have the power or agency
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Speaker 2: to do anything about it. That rich and powerful people
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Speaker 2: may have known it was going on and they.
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Speaker 3: Got away with it. That's the story.
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Speaker 2: Okay, it's not that Trump liked a scumbag. Okay, now
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Speaker 2: I get that. In the media, this is great because
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Speaker 2: it's bad for Trump and he's going crazy and he's
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Speaker 2: gonna pump and move the story for the Wall Street
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Speaker 2: Journal right now by saying it's fake and it's wrong.
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Speaker 2: But it doesn't move the needle in the country. It's
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Speaker 2: gonna make you some money, Rupert, Great for you, just
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Speaker 2: what you need. But this is why we can't get anywhere.
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Speaker 2: The guy says, I didn't write the letter. The letter
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Speaker 2: is meaningless. You put out the piece anyway, and there's
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Speaker 2: no light on what really matters. Now.
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Speaker 1: The point that Cuomo, not a conservative, is making there
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Speaker 1: is absolutely right. Politics should not be involved in this.
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Speaker 1: This is the reason why so many magat conservative like
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Speaker 1: myself have been saying we want total transparency. Why because
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Speaker 1: we don't trust the government. Why because they've given us
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Speaker 1: reasons to not trust them. We have watched them weaponize
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Speaker 1: the government to go after Donald Trump. We've watched them
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Speaker 1: weaponized the government to sell lies like the Russian collusion story,
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Speaker 1: to try to undermine the American people and overthrow the
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Speaker 1: will of the people. We have witnessed them lie about
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Speaker 1: the Hunter Biden laptop. We've witnessed the deep state and
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Speaker 1: all the leaders were supposed to trust the CIA and
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Speaker 1: other intelligence organizations sign a letter saying that the Hunter
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Speaker 1: Biden laptop was a lie. We have witnessed them lie
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Speaker 1: about the money that was coming into the Biden crime family.
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Speaker 1: We now have witnessed the media cover for the president
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Speaker 1: units it's America, Donald Trump. Let me rephrase that Joe
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Speaker 1: Biden with his massive cognitive cline. But they said over
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Speaker 1: and over again it wasn't happening. So this story is
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Speaker 1: about transparency, whether there's a list or not. I want
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Speaker 1: to see it all with making sure that we protect
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Speaker 1: the victim's identities. I want to make sure that I
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Speaker 1: don't have to trust the deep state. I believe as
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Speaker 1: a citizen, I deserve to know what happened. I also
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Speaker 1: want to know why no one else went to jail.
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Speaker 1: Can we just go over that again? Why is it
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Speaker 1: that no one has gone to jail except for one person?
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Speaker 1: That's it, Maxine, all of this abuse. That is why
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Speaker 1: conservatives are angry right now.
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Speaker 3: Now. Notice what the left is doing.
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Speaker 1: They're going all in on Epstein because they think it
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Speaker 1: hurts Donald Trump. They're going in not because they want
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Speaker 1: to protect kids, not because they want justice, not because
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Speaker 1: they care about whoever abused children being outed and exposed
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Speaker 1: and maybe even indicted or arrested, which again only one
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Speaker 1: person's gone to jail. No, no, no, they think this
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Speaker 1: now hurts Donald Trump. And again I go back to
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Speaker 1: Chris Cuomo. Chris Cuomo, a lefty, saying this on his
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Speaker 1: show about the left, he believes is also making a
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Speaker 1: huge mistake.
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Speaker 2: Making a mistake going all in on this. Epstein bs,
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Speaker 2: you did nothing to release any information about this case
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Speaker 2: on your watch, okay, And you watched a woman go
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Speaker 2: down for Epstein's crimes and did nothing to add to
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Speaker 2: any sense of accountability for anybody else. Then, so going
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Speaker 2: all in now is obvious and gratuitous and ugly. Okay,
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Speaker 2: And look, I get the play. This is bad for Trump,
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Speaker 2: so we got to be all in there. You need
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Speaker 2: to give the majority reason to believe that you would
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Speaker 2: be better, not that just he is worse. Do you
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Speaker 2: understand That's the key? Not MAGA sucks, okay, not that
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Speaker 2: they lied to you. MAGA, soill vote for us because
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Speaker 2: MAGA was formed in part out of desperation for feeling
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Speaker 2: that you on the left lie and don't deliver. So
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Speaker 2: this battle of attrition is just going to create two losers.
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Speaker 2: My suggestion is be less about your opponent and more
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Speaker 2: about restoring opportunity, less about who is woke, and more
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Speaker 2: about who is broke.
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Speaker 1: And I agree, by the way, with nine percent of
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Speaker 1: what Coomo said there. The left is making a mistake
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Speaker 1: going all in on Epstein, and you need to give
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Speaker 1: a reason why you're better and they're not. I'll give
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Speaker 1: you another example Joe Scarborough calling out Raskin today saying
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Speaker 1: you could have gotten the Epstein files from twenty twenty
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Speaker 1: one to twenty twenty five when Democrats controlled the DOJ.
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Speaker 1: Why didn't the Democrats call for the release then?
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Speaker 5: Right?
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Speaker 1: Because this is not about actual justices, about attacking Donald Trump.
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Speaker 1: And Raskin's response was, well, there were other cases going on.
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Speaker 1: I don't know there are pictures of Trump and Epstein.
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Speaker 1: That's literally his response. So, in other words, Democrats didn't
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Speaker 1: care because Democrats are pos's that's what this boils down to.
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Speaker 1: They only care now because they think this is going
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Speaker 1: to hurt Donald Trump. Now, I also want to be clear,
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Speaker 1: why so many conservatives are frustrated right now.
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Speaker 3: I am one of them.
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Speaker 1: I am not demanding that you give me something that
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Speaker 1: doesn't exist. I'm not demand that you fabricate something, not
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Speaker 1: demand that you go out and arrest innocent people. I
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Speaker 1: am demanding transparency. This should be about the victims. And
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Speaker 1: the point I would say to President Trump right now
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Speaker 1: if I was sitting with him, is, mister President, you
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Speaker 1: promise transparency. You did it on rfk assassination, you did
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Speaker 1: it on Martin Luther King, You've done it on many
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Speaker 1: other issues. The American people want the same level of transparency,
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Speaker 1: even if the transparency shows us nothing. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if there's an Epstein list. I've been told there is
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Speaker 1: an Epstein list. I've been told that this was there
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Speaker 1: for a long time now. If that was a lie
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Speaker 1: and I was lied to, then show me what you
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Speaker 1: do have, show me that there is maybe not as
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Speaker 1: much there as we thought. And look, I think one
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Speaker 1: of the reasons why Democrats talked about the Epstein list
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Speaker 1: is because they kept saying over and over again, donald
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Speaker 1: Trump's in the Epstein files, Donald Trump's in the Epstein list.
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Speaker 3: Donald.
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Speaker 1: They used that to attack Donald Trump. If there is
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Speaker 1: nothing in there, then fine. There's a point that's been
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Speaker 1: made by as lawyers. Most criminals don't keep records of
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Speaker 1: their crimes. That may be true, but there's a lot
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Speaker 1: of information that's been redacted.
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Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 1: I want to protect the victims, as many conservatives do,
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Speaker 1: but I also think that I deserve to see more
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Speaker 1: then what we are seeing right now now. I think
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Speaker 1: the presence moving towards that. I also want to be
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Speaker 1: clear about one other thing that's been a lie. There
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Speaker 1: have been people that have been saying that Donald Trump
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Speaker 1: can release everything, all of it instantly. Is the president
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Speaker 1: United It's America. That is a lie. If you talk
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Speaker 1: to judges and lawyers, they will tell you no. Much
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Speaker 1: of what would be released would have to be approved
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Speaker 1: by judges or by a judge. A great example of
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Speaker 1: that is all of the witnesses and all the people
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Speaker 1: that went before the grand jury. That information would have
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Speaker 1: to be approved by a judge. So when they tell
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Speaker 1: you that Trump can give you everything, they are lying
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Speaker 1: to you. That is not true. He cannot give you everything.
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Speaker 1: What am I asking for? In so many other conservatives,
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Speaker 1: total transparency, whether it's nothing or whether it's something. We'll
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Speaker 1: figure that out, and that is the point that many
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Speaker 1: Americans say they want and also why they voted for
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. This is a colossal pr failure by the Republicans.
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Speaker 3: I want to be very clear about this.
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Speaker 1: The fact that the White House and Pambondi brought a
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Speaker 1: bunch of conservative influencers to the White House, gave them
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Speaker 1: what was the Epstein files, you know, part one binders,
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Speaker 1: which was all information we already knew before, sent them
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Speaker 1: out in front of the media, and had them walking
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Speaker 1: out of the White House holding these binders up like
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Speaker 1: it was some amazing thing.
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Speaker 3: That was just a dumb move.
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Speaker 1: The reason why I say it's a dumb move is
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Speaker 1: because of what we are now witnessing, which is they're
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Speaker 1: now saying like, all right, well, there may not be
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Speaker 1: anything there.
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Speaker 3: I don't buy that for a second.
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Speaker 1: I also want to be clear about that, like, I
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Speaker 1: don't believe that there's nothing there yet. I think much
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Speaker 1: of the Epstein files that have been redacted have need
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Speaker 1: to be unredacted, and we need to see what's there.
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Speaker 1: I also think this goes back to one of the
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Speaker 1: basic issues, and the f BI deputy senior national intelligence
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Speaker 1: officer was caught on tape confessing that the FBI turned
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Speaker 1: blind eye in the Epstein case.
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Speaker 3: So that's the other reason why I want more answers.
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Speaker 3: I'm not willing to let it go. Listen, I'm well,
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Speaker 3: this is shows I do.
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Speaker 6: A lot of kind of encountering white supremacy. You think
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Speaker 6: the last the last two and a half years, I
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Speaker 6: was at the White House. Yeah, and they kind of
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Speaker 6: got moved back after the whole with the new administration
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Speaker 6: coming in. But yeah, small places kind of been watching
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Speaker 6: the documents and.
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Speaker 4: They were trying to.
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Speaker 6: Trying to release some of the files, like the White
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Speaker 6: House losses. Oh yeah, oh yeah, it's just a messy.
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Speaker 6: But because they even invited some of like the block,
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Speaker 6: like like the influencers and like right wing bloggers and
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Speaker 6: so release the files, I guess seems a little weird.
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Speaker 4: Just release it on.
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Speaker 6: Let's see where the law enforcement kind of either turn
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Speaker 6: a blind eye or like miss miss things, and there's
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Speaker 6: opportunities from hearing and listening.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you listen to that.
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Speaker 1: This is an FBI deputy senior intellig National intelligence officer
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Speaker 1: confessing the FBI turned a blind eye and the Epstein
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Speaker 1: case caught on OMG. James O'Keefe undercover video and you
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Speaker 1: look at this and you're like, really, now, I'm not surprised.
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Speaker 1: And the problem now is many conservatives are angry over
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Speaker 1: this because we were promised the Epstein file, and I
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Speaker 1: do believe the White House should release whatever they do have,
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Speaker 1: and they oversold it, PAMBONDI oversold it. I think that's
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Speaker 1: pretty clear now. And if there is not a big
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Speaker 1: thing there, then I want to know about the cover
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Speaker 1: up of it, because I don't believe that Jeffrey Epstein
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Speaker 1: got to where he was without being able to blackmail
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Speaker 1: people to make all of his money and abusing young girls,
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Speaker 1: and that there was a client list Jeffrey Epstein. Is
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Speaker 1: this whole issue now that the president made an issue
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Speaker 1: when he was running for president. People are like, I
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Speaker 1: want the payoff, right, I want I want to see
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Speaker 1: this now. I want to know what's going on now. Well,
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Speaker 1: let me also let you understand what Democrats are doing.
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Speaker 1: And this is very smart politically, Okay, I want to
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Speaker 1: be clear about that. This is extremely smart politically. Hi
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Speaker 1: came Jeffries came out today and just ripped Republicans and
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Speaker 1: now Democrats like, we demand the Epstein file, something They
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Speaker 1: don't give a crap about when Joe Biden was president,
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Speaker 1: but now they want it. And the reason why is
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Speaker 1: because they want to make the president look like he's
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Speaker 1: covering for conservatives, or he was a liar, or that
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Speaker 1: Pambani's a liar. And they understand that there's blood in
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Speaker 1: the water on this one with conservative voters, and they're
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Speaker 1: they're now like, let's exploit it.
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Speaker 3: Listen carefully to his words.
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Speaker 7: The American people deserve to know the truth, the whole truth,
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Speaker 7: and nothing but the truth as it relates to this whole,
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Speaker 7: sordid Jeffrey Epstein matter. Democrats didn't put the Jeffrey Epstein
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Speaker 7: thing into the public domain. This was a conspiracy that
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Speaker 7: Donald Trump, Bondi and these MAGA extremists have been fanning
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Speaker 7: the flames of for the last several years, and now
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Speaker 7: the chickens are coming home to roost. The American people
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Speaker 7: deserve to know the truth. What, if anything, is the
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Speaker 7: Trump administration and the Department of Justice hiding.
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Speaker 4: What are you hiding?
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Speaker 7: If you're not hiding anything, prove that to the American people.
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Speaker 7: And if you are trying to hide something, as many
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Speaker 7: of Donald Trump's MAGA supporters apparently believe, then the Congress
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Speaker 7: should actually work hard to try to uncover the truth
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Speaker 7: for the American people. There are only two things that
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Speaker 7: are possible here. Option one, Donald Trump, Panbondy, and the
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Speaker 7: MAGA extremists intentionally lied to the American people for years
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Speaker 7: about the Jeffrey Epstein situation. Option one. Option two is
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Speaker 7: that in fact, there's reason for the American people to
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Speaker 7: be concerned as it relates to what information has not
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Speaker 7: been released that could be damaging to the Trump administration
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Speaker 7: and the friends and family of the Trump administration. And
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Speaker 7: they're billionaire, corrupt supporters, and so they're actively engaging in
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Speaker 7: a cover up. Option one, they lie for years. Option two,
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Speaker 7: they're engaging in a cover up.
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Speaker 1: Now, let me go back to the politics. This This
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Speaker 1: is like one of the smartest political moves I've seen
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Speaker 1: by Democrats and Hakeem Jeffreys. I'll give credit where credits
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Speaker 1: due on this one, Like this is a smart political move.
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Speaker 1: The Republicans overplayed their hand and under delivered, and now
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Speaker 1: people that are supporters of Donald Trump are angry and
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Speaker 1: it looks like there is some sort of cover up here.
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Speaker 1: Whether there is or not, it doesn't matter.
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Speaker 3: It looks like it.
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Speaker 1: And so what they're doing is they're seizing this opportunity.
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Speaker 3: To do this. I'll give you this.
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Speaker 1: Mark Mark Theessen, by the way, on Fox News Sunday,
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Speaker 1: said this about the fallout over the doj Epstein memo.
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Speaker 3: Some damage from this. That's that to me is the
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Speaker 3: reality here.
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Speaker 7: Ninety one indictments, the Mueller probe, two impeachments, civil suits
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Speaker 7: to bankrupt him.
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Speaker 1: But the Biden people had had the Epstein files with
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Speaker 1: Trump's name in it, and they didn't use it.
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Speaker 3: Give me a break.
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Speaker 8: I want to make sure.
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Speaker 3: I love that, by the way.
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Speaker 1: I love the fact he's like, Biden's people have the
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Speaker 1: Epstein files with Trump's name in it and they didn't
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Speaker 1: use it.
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Speaker 3: Give me a break. He's right.
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Speaker 1: And the point is like, don't get yourself in a
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Speaker 1: bad situation for no reason. And I think Republicans need
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Speaker 1: to fight back on this one, and they need to
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Speaker 1: they need to put it out there, whatever it is,
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Speaker 1: and and and get the reactions out of the Epstein files.
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Speaker 1: Whatever we do have to show the American people. I
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Speaker 1: think it's time for the American people to see it.
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Speaker 1: But if again Democrats smell blood in the water, on
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Speaker 1: ABC this week, they were like, Wow, the White House
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Speaker 1: needs to come clean about the Epstein files, implying that
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Speaker 1: there's a bunch of Republicans or Donald Trump's name in
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Speaker 1: the Epstein file. Again using this politically, it's scumbaggery, but
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Speaker 1: it's brilliant.
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Speaker 8: I mean, the Attorney General, Pam Bondi went to the
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Speaker 8: public and said all kinds of things about this. She
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Speaker 8: said there was a list, there was files, they had people,
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Speaker 8: and that was in front of the White House, in
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Speaker 8: front of the West Wing, that they had the influencers
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Speaker 8: out there. So, I mean, there's a very legitimate question here.
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Speaker 8: Number one, was she lying then or is she lying now?
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Speaker 8: She's the Attorney General. I do think she should go
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Speaker 8: in front of Congress and sort of just explain the
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Speaker 8: facts here, because ultimately it is a big question. Was
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Speaker 8: she just prancing around making things up? You're not really
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Speaker 8: supposed to do that as the jorney Jeffers And then
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Speaker 8: second of all, they say, you know that everyone's acting
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Speaker 8: like they don't know what the conspiracy theory is. The
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Speaker 8: conspiracy theory is that the client list has Donald Trump
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Speaker 8: on it, and that's why his government is holding it back.
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Speaker 8: And I think you should just we need to have
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Speaker 8: people honestly answer questions in front of Congress or the press,
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Speaker 8: to just have this out once in front of the
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Speaker 8: overall problem.
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Speaker 1: Like they're they're playing into this beautifully because it was
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Speaker 1: over sold and you can't oversell it and then all
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Speaker 1: of a sudden just run away from it like it
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Speaker 1: never happened. Democrats are going to seize this moment until
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Speaker 1: you get it all out there and you show all
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Speaker 1: of it. And they're going to keep quoting Pambondi, and
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Speaker 1: they're going to keep quoting Dan Bongino, and they're going
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Speaker 1: to keep quoting everybody that's made any quote about Epstein.
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Speaker 1: And you know, yeah, I'm glad there's somehow out there
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Speaker 1: that are actually attacking also the hypocrisy on the left.
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Speaker 1: Chris Cromo, for example, blasted AOC this week for suddenly
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Speaker 1: caring about the Epstein files because she didn't care about
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Speaker 1: him before, only because she's going to score political points
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Speaker 1: on Republicans.
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Speaker 2: Now, AOC has had nothing to say about the attacks
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Speaker 2: on the ICE agents. Can you believe that? But the
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Speaker 2: Epstein fiasco gets her attention. You see what she posted today? Wow,
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Speaker 2: who'd have thought that electing a rapist would have complicated
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Speaker 2: the release of the Epstein files.
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Speaker 3: Hope it goes viral, because that's all you're about.
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Speaker 2: What have you ever done to fight for the release
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Speaker 2: of the Epstein files?
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Speaker 4: Huh?
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Speaker 3: You sent out a few tweets over the years, just
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Speaker 3: to try to what ride the wave?
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Speaker 2: Where are your resolutions, Where are your speeches on the floor,
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Speaker 2: where are your demands? Nothing, just like the rest of
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Speaker 2: your propaganda and your false promises. It's great for you
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Speaker 2: for being developing a following, but it's not much in
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Speaker 2: terms of being a leader when you get nothing done
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Speaker 2: and you just play the game of advantage, you know
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Speaker 2: better than the people you think you oppose.
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Speaker 1: On the right, I couldn't agree with Chris crooma more
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Speaker 1: for blasting AOC for suddenly caring about the Epstein files
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Speaker 1: when she never cared about before all because she wants
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Speaker 1: to score a political point, not protect kids, not protect
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Speaker 1: people that were abused by Jeffrey Epstein and his friends.
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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, none of that matters.
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Speaker 1: There are a lot of conservatives, a lot of terms
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Speaker 1: sports are very upset by this idea of like there's
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Speaker 1: nothing there, let's just move on and they're not taking
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Speaker 1: that answer and saying, Okay, we'll just move on now.
19:33
Speaker 1: Alan Dershowitz went on Newsmax. Who is Alan Dershowitz. He
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Speaker 1: is a Harvard law professor who also was the lawyer
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Speaker 1: for Jeffrey Epstein, And he came out and he said
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Speaker 1: some very interesting things about the Epstein files and the jurisdiction.
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Speaker 1: He said, Number one, redacted or sealed materials in connection
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Speaker 1: with the convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein are in fact
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Speaker 1: under the court's jurisdiction to release, he says, not the
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Speaker 1: Attorney General, Pam Bonding, or the Department of Justice. The
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Speaker 1: Harvard law professor who helped secure a plea deal in
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Speaker 1: two thousand and eight for Epstein, had a lot more
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Speaker 1: to say about the Epstein files. His friends, who is
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Speaker 1: he working with and I want you to hear this.
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Speaker 3: Listen very closely.
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Speaker 9: Drschwitz Joys. Be nice to see you, sir. And just
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Speaker 9: for starters, in terms of I assume that much of
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Speaker 9: the information that's in the Justice Department possession is grand
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Speaker 9: jury testimony and that can't be released, right. That's as
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Speaker 9: we sort of sort through what would be released through
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Speaker 9: I couldn't.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, some of it's grand jury testimony, some of it
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Speaker 5: is material that's been redacted, some of it sealed by
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Speaker 5: the court, and it comprises several things. There are some
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Speaker 5: that include accusations made by people I know the people
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Speaker 5: who have been accused, and it involves negative material about
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Speaker 5: the accusers, and the courts have redacted those in order
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Speaker 5: to quote protect the victims. But are they Are they
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Speaker 5: victims or are they mixed? Some of them mixed victims
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Speaker 5: and false accusers. So everything should come out, but you know,
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Speaker 5: this is a nothing burger. Almost everything that's important has
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Speaker 5: come out. I've seen the names. There's nobody currently serving
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Speaker 5: in office or who's at all names?
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Speaker 9: What names? Is it just names of people on an
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Speaker 9: airplane that went to his island or are there names of
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Speaker 9: people doing something wrong?
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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, there are names of people who are accused
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Speaker 5: of doing something wrong by accusers. But the information about
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Speaker 5: the accusers and negative information about the accusers has also
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Speaker 5: been suppressed. The public doesn't really have a fair opportunity
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Speaker 5: to decide whether the those who are accused were fairly accused.
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Speaker 4: They're not fairly accused.
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Speaker 5: Now the media can actually file applications to the judges
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Speaker 5: to try to open up this information. I don't think
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Speaker 5: you can fall pambond You the Justice Department, they don't
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Speaker 5: have the authority to release these redacted material or the
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Speaker 5: sealed material. I think I can't know this for sure
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Speaker 5: that they've released everything that they are able to release.
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Speaker 5: The rest of it is up to the judges, and
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Speaker 5: so the application should be made to the judges, not
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Speaker 5: to the Justice Department. Once the information is unredacted, then
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Speaker 5: the Justice Department can release it. Now this information includes,
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Speaker 5: for example, videotapes. There are all kinds of claims about
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Speaker 5: sex tapes. I happen to know what the facts are
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Speaker 5: and what happened is one day Epstein was robbed by
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Speaker 5: an employee, and so the Palm Beach police installed video
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Speaker 5: cameras in his living room, not in his bedrooms.
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Speaker 4: And so there are video tapes, but they're not sex tapes.
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Speaker 5: And you know, there's no plausibility to the claim that
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Speaker 5: have worked for the Mozad that's just total nonsense.
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Speaker 3: Well see, actually, let me tell you.
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Speaker 9: That's what I'll tell you. That's one of the things
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Speaker 9: that's most distressing to me. And that claim has been
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Speaker 9: made by two former colleagues of mine from another network.
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Speaker 9: We are no longer at that network, by the way,
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Speaker 9: one I was a lawyer and should know better. I mean,
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Speaker 9: like they ever started just pulling things out and if
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Speaker 9: they have facts, present them put them with some witnesses.
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Speaker 9: But it's so electrifying the topic and with social media
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Speaker 9: and everybody picking sides that it has really gone haywire.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I agree with you. Look, I have sources
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Speaker 5: in Israel. I once represented the MOSAD. I helped get
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Speaker 5: four or five Mozart agents out of Cyprus who had
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Speaker 5: been improperly arrested.
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Speaker 4: And believe me, if he had ever.
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Speaker 5: Worked for the MOSAD, the first person he would have
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Speaker 5: told that to is me, because he would have wanted
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Speaker 5: me to use that to help him get an even
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Speaker 5: better deal than he got. So I am one hundred
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Speaker 5: percent based on my information and what he told me
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Speaker 5: and didn't tell me that there's no conceivable claim that
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Speaker 5: he actually worked for the most SADE or the CIA,
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Speaker 5: and so people just make this stuff out of whole cloth.
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Speaker 9: But it's profoundly dangerous, you know, it's I mean, whatever
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Speaker 9: the facts are, the facts are, you know, and transparency
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Speaker 9: is great and things should be released. It's consistent with
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Speaker 9: transparency that don't violate any rules or anything's been redacted
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Speaker 9: by the court or by Gregorick. But when you have
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Speaker 9: people out there saying there are all these conspiracies and
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Speaker 9: there are all these things going on in saying that
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Speaker 9: I have it on good information, Well you know, have
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Speaker 9: ad it. Tell us where your information is instead of
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Speaker 9: instead of lighting the town on fire.
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Speaker 5: But you know, all these things have a kernel of
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Speaker 5: a basis in fact. For example the mossade. Yes, in fact,
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Speaker 5: his girlfriend Glaine Maxwell's father Robert Maxwell, probably did work
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Speaker 5: for the most side, But that has nothing to do
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Speaker 5: with Jeffrey Epstein.
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Speaker 4: Yes there were videotapes.
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Speaker 5: Yes there are lists of names, but they're not lists
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Speaker 5: of names devised or designed by Epstein. Yes, there are
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Speaker 5: lists of people who are on his planes. Bill Clinton
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Speaker 5: was on his plane, Bill Gates was on his planes.
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Speaker 4: Lots and lots of people.
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Speaker 5: Remember, he had a life way before he was ever
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Speaker 5: charged with any crime. That life include the president of Harvard,
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Speaker 5: heads of this corporation, that corporation. I know, my wife
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Speaker 5: and I went to his home for several events where
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Speaker 5: he had some of the world's greatest scientists. He had
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Speaker 5: astronauts who had just come back from out of space,
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Speaker 5: and so of course he attracted very, very prominent people.
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Speaker 4: None of them knew he was doing anything wrong.
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Speaker 5: It's when he was first arrested for doing something wrong
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Speaker 5: that everybody terminated their relationship. Not everybody, and people who
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Speaker 5: didn't can be called into account. But I don't think
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Speaker 5: there's much here, you know, as they say in the movies,
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Speaker 5: move on, there's nothing to say here. I think almost
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Speaker 5: everything that has to be released has been released.
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Speaker 4: I've seen everything, and I don't see any but.
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Speaker 9: The other, the other alternative, the other alternative, although it takes,
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Speaker 9: it takes forever. I've been doing this with the Natalie
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Speaker 9: Holloway cases getting documents under FOYA is that you can
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Speaker 9: make a Freedom of Information Act request. The government does
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Speaker 9: have to comply with it by law. Unfortunately, the government
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Speaker 9: takes forever, as as I.
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Speaker 4: Don't think, not very much.
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Speaker 5: It would turn up some material that's redacted, and FOYA
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Speaker 5: doesn't unredact.
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Speaker 4: They just give you the redacted material with all the blackouts.
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Speaker 4: And why do I know tell me about who the
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Speaker 4: people are whose names have been blacked out?
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Speaker 5: Because I did all the investigations and I was able
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Speaker 5: to put together from all the evidence.
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Speaker 4: Oh, this guy, this person, and I know who it is.
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Speaker 9: And with that, I've got to go Professor, Professor Dershowitz,
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Speaker 9: Thank you, sir.
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Speaker 1: You can hear Alan there just saying a lot of
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Speaker 1: what you're seeing and a lot of it's conspiracy theory.
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Speaker 1: And he said this is I know. I learned this
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Speaker 1: speaking there regret of Ancestorum over at Newsmax. And I
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Speaker 1: think the point he was making is what you may
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Speaker 1: be angry about may not even be based in reality.
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Speaker 1: I want to know what there is. I want to
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Speaker 1: know it was redacted. I want to protect the victims,
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Speaker 1: but I also think that there needs to be real
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Speaker 1: transparency on this one. The President, by the way, coming
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Speaker 1: out and again blaming his predecessors for creating files related
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Speaker 1: to the high profile client, so the Late six offender
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein. The President praised Pam Bondi, by the way,
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Speaker 1: who is kind of under intense criticism within Trump's own
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Speaker 1: base for handling of the files, and during a press
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Speaker 1: briefing outside the White House that aired live, Trump was
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Speaker 1: asked whether body told them if his name appeared in
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Speaker 1: the documents. No, no, she's given us just a quick
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Speaker 1: a very quick briefing, and in terms of the credibility
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Speaker 1: of the different things that they've seen. Trump said he's
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Speaker 1: also denied numerous times any association with Epstein's criminal activity.
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Speaker 1: He said, quote and I would say that, you know,
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Speaker 1: these files were made up by James Comy, they were
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Speaker 1: made up by Barack Obama, they were made up by
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Speaker 1: the Biden team. You know, we went through this, years
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Speaker 1: of this with the Russia Russia Russia hoax, with all
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Speaker 1: the different things that we had to go through.
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Speaker 3: We've gone through years of it.
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Speaker 1: But she's handled it very well, referred to Bondi, and
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Speaker 1: it's going to be up to her. Whatever she thinks
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Speaker 1: is credible, she should release.
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Speaker 3: So this is the.
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Speaker 1: President on the record now on the issue of the
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Speaker 1: Epstein files, saying he's going to allow Pam Bondi to
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