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FORMER BIGTECH SECURITY CHIEF CALLS FOR VERIZON, AT&T, OTHERS TO DEPLATFORM OAN & NEWSMAX · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Big Tech has figured out their next move, and that
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  Speaker 1: is to make sure after the inauguration that you and
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  Speaker 1: what you believe in disappears, that you can be silenced
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  Speaker 1: no matter what, that you can shut up, no matter what,
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  Speaker 1: that you won't be able to talk or have a platform.
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  Speaker 1: The former Facebook security chief actually this week called on
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  Speaker 1: the cable companies to start silencing you, saying that you
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  Speaker 1: are the problem. These networks and what they say are
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  Speaker 1: the problem. And if we can just start talking to
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  Speaker 1: these networks and get these networks to silence you, then
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  Speaker 1: everything will be okay. But the world post Trump is
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  Speaker 1: not about Trump anymore. It's about silencing you. Take a
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  Speaker 1: listen to the guy who is actually the former Facebook
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  Speaker 1: security chief calling for Verizon AT and ten others to
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  Speaker 1: d platform actual news networks OA N NEWSMAX and you
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  Speaker 1: guessed at Fox News and on the capability of these
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  Speaker 1: conservative influencers to reach these huge audiences. There are people
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  Speaker 1: on YouTube, for example, that have a larger daytime larger
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  Speaker 1: audience than daytime CNN, and they are extremely radical and
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  Speaker 1: pushing extremely radical views. And so it's up to the
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  Speaker 1: facebooks and youtubes in particular to think about whether or
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  Speaker 1: not they want to be effectively cable networks for disinformation,
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  Speaker 1: and then we're gonna have to figure out the O
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  Speaker 1: n N and Newsmax problem. You know that these companies
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  Speaker 1: have freedom of speech, but I'm not sure we need
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  Speaker 1: Verizon AT and T, Comcast and such to be bringing
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  Speaker 1: them into tens of millions of homes. This is allowing
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  Speaker 1: people to seek out information if they really want to,
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  Speaker 1: but not pushing it into their faces, I think is
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  Speaker 1: where we're going to have to go here. But by
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  Speaker 1: the way, these networks are not pushing it into anyone's face.
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  Speaker 1: This guy's an idiot. I have the choice to turn
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  Speaker 1: the channel away from OA N, away from Fox News,
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  Speaker 1: away from Newsmax and the threat that he's talking about.
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  Speaker 1: And you noticed Sary didn't give any facts. You said,
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  Speaker 1: they're they're they're extremists. You know, they have the right
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  Speaker 1: to say it, but they shouldn't have a platform to
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  Speaker 1: say it on These people have bigger platforms on YouTube
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  Speaker 1: than audio time audiences on CNN. Well, then we got
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  Speaker 1: to shut them down and silence them real quick, right,
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  Speaker 1: So now we're gonna take this next step in the
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  Speaker 1: silencing people that you disagree with. Remember Parlor and the
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  Speaker 1: CEO of Parlor. He had his story that he wanted
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  Speaker 1: to tell. The only person that's been willing to really
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  Speaker 1: let him tell his story about what happened to Parlor
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  Speaker 1: and how I disappeared was Mark Levin on his TV
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  Speaker 1: show Life, Liberty and Levin on Fox News. He had
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  Speaker 1: on the ceo Parlor, and he talked about how there
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  Speaker 1: was literally no indication a shutdown was looming until everybody
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  Speaker 1: ganged up on him on the same day after they'd
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  Speaker 1: built this company and put everything into it and it
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  Speaker 1: was a number one trending app on Apple, and then
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  Speaker 1: they said, oh, now we got to nail them. Now
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  Speaker 1: we gotta shut him down because this is conservatives are
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  Speaker 1: these are conservatives that need to be silenced. We gotta
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  Speaker 1: we gotta shut him down. We got to make sure
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  Speaker 1: that there's nothing that you can say anymore that we
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  Speaker 1: can't control it. Here's part of that interview. It was
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  Speaker 1: amazing explaining just how big tech came after to silence
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  Speaker 1: Parlor as they were a threat to Facebook and Twitter
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  Speaker 1: and the liberal ideals of Silicon Valley tightening that kind
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  Speaker 1: of insanity. It's very important that the public get to
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  Speaker 1: know you, and so I'm prepared to have a long
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  Speaker 1: form interview with any or all of the CEOs of
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  Speaker 1: these major companies next Sunday. Just contact us at Fox
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  Speaker 1: and we will set it up and I'd be happy
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  Speaker 1: to do it. It'll be very civil, but it won't
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  Speaker 1: be the kind of interviews you're used to in the
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  Speaker 1: Washington Post in the New York Times. That I can.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, if you want to know why
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  Speaker 1: Levinia Saibody said there is his point is, we're not
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  Speaker 1: hiding from you, We're not afraid to talk to you.
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  Speaker 1: We're not afraid to debate ideas. The reason why I
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  Speaker 1: played the beginning of what Levin said there is because
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  Speaker 1: it's important. Well Levin saying is we can have a debate.
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  Speaker 1: We're not afraid of you, we're not trying to silence you.
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  Speaker 1: Yet you're trying to silence us. And the question is
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  Speaker 1: why why are you trying to silence us. We're willing
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  Speaker 1: to have a debate with you. We're not going to
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  Speaker 1: just let you walk all over us. Of course, right,
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  Speaker 1: We're not gonna let you walk all over us. We're
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  Speaker 1: not gonna let you just you know, get away with
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  Speaker 1: murdering free speech in this country, which is what they
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  Speaker 1: are doing right now. They are murdering free speech. But
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  Speaker 1: the point that he was making there is we are
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  Speaker 1: not afraid to have a dialogue, to have an open discussion.
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  Speaker 1: We're not afraid of having a debate. We're not afraid
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  Speaker 1: to talk it out with you. We're not afraid to
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  Speaker 1: have a conversation about what we believe in and our
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  Speaker 1: ideals that we're not afraid of having that conversation with you. Now,
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  Speaker 1: listen to what this CEO of this company who was
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  Speaker 1: trying to live the American dream, taking on the big
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  Speaker 1: boys a big deck and finally succeeding after years of
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  Speaker 1: not winning, and how fast they took it all away
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  Speaker 1: from him. Assure you now, John Mates parlor Parlor starts
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  Speaker 1: about two two and a half years ago, and as usual,
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  Speaker 1: it's fledgling and so forth, and yet you're picking up
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  Speaker 1: a lot of followers. Tell us how you're your your
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  Speaker 1: business model was taking off. You know, in twenty nineteen,
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  Speaker 1: we had uh, you know, a few hundred thousand accounts
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  Speaker 1: I think is by the end of twenty nineteen, and
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  Speaker 1: by the end of twenty twenty, we had, you know,
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  Speaker 1: fifteen plus million accounts. You know we're growing. Uh, you know, January,
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  Speaker 1: we were you know, on some of the last days
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  Speaker 1: before we were we got the acts from from Amazon
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  Speaker 1: Web Services. We had a more almost a million new
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  Speaker 1: accounts created. On that last day. We were number one
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  Speaker 1: on the app store. We were above Facebook, we were
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  Speaker 1: above TikTok, we were above YouTube, above Instagram, above every
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  Speaker 1: app on the app store in the United States. We
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  Speaker 1: were number one before we got the acts um and uh,
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  Speaker 1: the business model was proving very you know, it was working.
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  Speaker 1: You know, our ads were not intrusive. We were not
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  Speaker 1: using data to you know, kind of predict people or
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  Speaker 1: mine people's data. We were presenting ads and vary what
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  Speaker 1: I like to describe as humane way, so that we were,
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  Speaker 1: you know, doing what I think is best for ads,
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  Speaker 1: which is respecting people's privacy. We were making tremendous amount
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  Speaker 1: of revenue from organic small businesses and helping them out.
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  Speaker 1: And so we've proved our model, we proved our growth
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  Speaker 1: in the marketplace. And so the marketplace competition entrepreneurship was
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  Speaker 1: just too much for Silicon Valley to handle. So as
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  Speaker 1: I read it, they colluded every avenue of support to
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  Speaker 1: your business in order to run it in order to
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  Speaker 1: reach out to potential customers and so forth was cut
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  Speaker 1: off in order to choke you off and destroy you.
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  Speaker 1: These are companies that have no business that had no
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  Speaker 1: problem doing business with communist China. They have no problem
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  Speaker 1: doing business with all kinds of genocidal dictators and so forth.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, Markovin's right based in fact here
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  Speaker 1: what he just said. There, he's absolutely right, he's spot
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  Speaker 1: on with what he just said. You know, you listen
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  Speaker 1: to what he just described. These companies have no problem
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  Speaker 1: doing business with China, doing business with dictators. But all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden they decided to collude. They decided to
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  Speaker 1: collude together because they both they found somebody's viewpoint offensive
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  Speaker 1: yours and the voters of Donald Trump, and they saw
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  Speaker 1: this platform that was all of a sudden starting to
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  Speaker 1: have influence. All right, I want to take a moment
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  Speaker 1: real quick, though, and just let you know about something else,
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  Speaker 1: and that is the canceling of conservatives from social media
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  Speaker 1: and our accounts being silenced, our accounts being shut down.
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  Speaker 1: five five four three three the word Ben Parlor's CEO,
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  Speaker 1: explaining his story of how they were shut down with
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  Speaker 1: no warning, with all these companies doing it at the
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  Speaker 1: same time to make sure they couldn't survive, explaining just
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  Speaker 1: how fast the legs were they were, you know, everything
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  Speaker 1: just disappeared from them. He said, we were in a
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  Speaker 1: situation where we had no idea what was coming, right,
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  Speaker 1: We had no clue that this was about to happen.
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  Speaker 1: We can't even we don't even have phone numbers to
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  Speaker 1: get in touch with people. They were silencing us. Take
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  Speaker 1: a listen due toube above Instagram, above every app on
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  Speaker 1: the app store in the United States. We were number
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  Speaker 1: one before we got the acts, and the business model
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  Speaker 1: was proving very you know, it was working. You know,
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  Speaker 1: our ads were not intrusive. We were not using data
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  Speaker 1: to you know, kind of predict people or mind people's data.
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  Speaker 1: We were presenting ads in a very what I like
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  Speaker 1: to describe as humane way, so that we were, you know,
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  Speaker 1: doing what I think is best for ads, which is
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  Speaker 1: respecting people's privacy. We were making tremendous amount of revenue
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  Speaker 1: from organic small businesses and helping them out and so
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  Speaker 1: we've proved our model, we proved our growth in the marketplace,
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  Speaker 1: and so the marketplace competition entrepreneurship was just too much
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  Speaker 1: for Silicon Valley to handle. So as I read it,
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  Speaker 1: they colluded every avenue of support to your business in
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: order to run it, in order to reach out to
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: potential customers, and so forth was cut off in order
• 11:44
  Speaker 1: to choke you off and destroy you. These are companies
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  Speaker 1: that have no business, that have no problem doing business
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  Speaker 1: with communist China, They have no problem doing business with
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  Speaker 1: all kinds of genocidal dictators and so forth. But Little
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  Speaker 1: Parlor was getting a little too big for its bridges.
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  Speaker 1: Why do you think Why do you think they focused
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  Speaker 1: on you and targeted you? Well, a few reasons, but
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  Speaker 1: you know, in my opinion, it seems our growth was
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  Speaker 1: very high, and we didn't agree with their ideas on
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  Speaker 1: you know, censorship. You know, Google, Apple, and Amazon Web
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  Speaker 1: Services all agreed that our terms of service were acceptable.
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  Speaker 1: They never said publicly or anywhere as far as I'm aware,
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  Speaker 1: that there was any problems with our terms of service
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  Speaker 1: and free speech. So instead they seem to make it
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  Speaker 1: about violence, which we don't condone and don't allow you know,
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  Speaker 1: we don't allow violence or insurrection. These these are illegal acts, right,
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  Speaker 1: So it's very very interesting that they all on the
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  Speaker 1: exact same day without previously indicating. They never indicated to
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  Speaker 1: us that there was any serious or material problem with
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  Speaker 1: our app, but on the same day, you know, all
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  Speaker 1: on the same day, they send us these very threatening notices.
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  Speaker 1: So we said, okay, let's call let's let's see what
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  Speaker 1: you know, let's see what Google said. Oh, they actually
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  Speaker 1: never emailed us, and you know, we have no way
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  Speaker 1: to contact them. Okay, so Google's out. Apple, let's call
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  Speaker 1: a rep. And we called it a rep and they
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  Speaker 1: basically shrugged it off and made no indication that this
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  Speaker 1: was deadly serious, despite their letter being in their email
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  Speaker 1: being very serious an Amazon you know as usuals basically
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  Speaker 1: saying you know, oh I didn't I never saw any
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  Speaker 1: material problems. There's no issues. You know, they were played
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  Speaker 1: it off very nonchalantly, and so we had still even uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, on the eighth and the ninth, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we had no real indication that this was deadly serious,
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  Speaker 1: had no indication that this was deadly serious, no indication
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  Speaker 1: at all, and then just like that, bam, everybody shuts
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  Speaker 1: them down, which brings me back to this former head,
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  Speaker 1: former Facebook security chief calling for Verizon AT and ten
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  Speaker 1: others to the platform. Now, legitimate news agencies like OAM,
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  Speaker 1: Newsmax and Fox on CNN. This is CNN on c
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this is CNN saying, well, the other R
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  Speaker 1: competitors don't really deserve to have a voice. They just don't.
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  Speaker 1: They shouldn't have a voice. Here. Former Facebook security chief
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  Speaker 1: calling for Verizon AT and T and others to be
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  Speaker 1: the platform because they're they're just such a problem here,
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  Speaker 1: you know. Brian Skelter, it's CNN says, you know, hey,
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  Speaker 1: is it possible, Alex Stamos, there will ever be a
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  Speaker 1: solution to this information crisis that has been perpetrated, in
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  Speaker 1: my view, like Facebook as well as Twitter and others
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  Speaker 1: because you criticize, and then of course they're going to respond, right,
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  Speaker 1: they're going to respond and say, oh, we're so sorry,
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  Speaker 1: We're so sorry. Is there ever a chance that this could,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we could ever get out of this because
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  Speaker 1: it's so bad now, crisis that has been perpetuated in
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  Speaker 1: my view by platforms like the one where you used
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  Speaker 1: to work, Facebook as well as Twitter and others. It's
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  Speaker 1: really hard because what's happening is people are able to
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  Speaker 1: seek out the information that makes them feel good. That
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  Speaker 1: is what happenings that you know, people have so much
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  Speaker 1: choice now. They can choose what their new sources are,
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  Speaker 1: they can choose what influencers they want to follow, and
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  Speaker 1: they can try to seal out anything that helps them
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  Speaker 1: question that. And I think that gets to a really
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  Speaker 1: core issue with how our freedoms as Americans, in the
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  Speaker 1: way we've treated press freedom in the past, is being
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  Speaker 1: abused by these actors, and that we have given a
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  Speaker 1: lot of leeway, both in the traditional media and on
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  Speaker 1: social media to people to have a very broad range
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  Speaker 1: of political views, and it is now in the great
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  Speaker 1: economic interest of those individuals to become more and more radical.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that one of the places you can
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  Speaker 1: see this is on the fact that you now have
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  Speaker 1: competitors to Fox News on their right OA and then Newsmax,
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  Speaker 1: which are carried by all the major cable networks, who
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  Speaker 1: are trying to now outflank Fox in the right Because
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  Speaker 1: the moment Fox introduced any kind of realism into their reporting,
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  Speaker 1: immediately a bunch of people chose to put themselves into
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  Speaker 1: a sealed ecosystem, and they can do that both on cable,
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  Speaker 1: they can do it online, and that becomes a huge
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  Speaker 1: challenge of figuring out how do you bring those people
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  Speaker 1: back into the mainstream of fact based reporting and try
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  Speaker 1: to get us all back into the same consensual reality.
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  Speaker 1: And can you Is that possible? Seems that that's an
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  Speaker 1: open question. It's hard. I mean, I think we gotta
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  Speaker 1: do a couple of things. One, there needs to be
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  Speaker 1: an intentional work by the social media companies collaborating together
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  Speaker 1: to work on violent extremism in the same way they
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  Speaker 1: worked on ISIS. When I started at Facebook in twenty fifteen,
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  Speaker 1: the number one challenge from a content perspective was the
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  Speaker 1: abuse of social media by the Islamic state, and there
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  Speaker 1: was a collaboration between the tech companies and between the
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  Speaker 1: tech companies and law enforcement to make it impossible for
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  Speaker 1: them to use the internet to recruit and radicalize mostly
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  Speaker 1: young muzzlement at the time around the world. Now we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about domestic audience in the United States. You do
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  Speaker 1: realize what just happened there. You just had a guy
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  Speaker 1: who actually says you just had a guy who actually
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  Speaker 1: said that we are no different than al Qaeda. We
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  Speaker 1: are no different than al Qaeda. I want to make
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  Speaker 1: sure everybody just heard what I just heard. Please tell
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  Speaker 1: me that everybody just heard what I just heard. That
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  Speaker 1: we are domestic terrorists, that we are just like al Qaida,
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  Speaker 1: that we are no different, that we are the same thing,
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  Speaker 1: and so therefore we should be silence. And the challenge
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  Speaker 1: is going to be partially that you know, Isis did
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  Speaker 1: not have a domestic constituency in the United States Congress,
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  Speaker 1: but there is over half of the Republicans and Congress
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  Speaker 1: voted to overturn the election, and there will be a
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  Speaker 1: continual political pressure on the companies to not take it seriously.
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  Speaker 1: So I think, so now you have terrorists in Congress
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  Speaker 1: just like Isis. Right now, it's worse because you have Republicans.
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  Speaker 1: You have Republicans that are like Isis that are in Congress. Folks,
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  Speaker 1: this is the former head of Facebook security saying this
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  Speaker 1: on CNN about you. I'll say it again. They're coming
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  Speaker 1: after all of you. If you are a conservative, every
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