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Legendary Coach Bruce Pearl One-on-One: Hoops, NIL & Anti-Semitism in America · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome in his verdict with Center, Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson
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  Speaker 1: with you, and we've got a fun show for you,
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  Speaker 1: coming from Washington, d C. We're all in the same place, Center,
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  Speaker 1: and we have a friend of the show, a friend
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  Speaker 1: of yours, a guest to talk about two different things,
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  Speaker 1: my favorite sports, your favorite politics, and we get to
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  Speaker 1: talk about Israel.
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  Speaker 2: All of that. That's like bonus.
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  Speaker 3: Look, this is going to be a fun podcast. We
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  Speaker 3: are joined today by the great legendary basketball coach Bruce Pearl,
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  Speaker 3: the former coach of Auburn. He was a national champion,
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  Speaker 3: won in Division two the national championship. With Auburn, he
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  Speaker 3: went not once but twice to the final four, including
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  Speaker 3: a year ago a heartbreaker where Florida barely eked out
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  Speaker 3: a victory. I'm sorry to bring that up. No, that's
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  Speaker 3: you know, to quote my favorite movie, The Princess Bride,
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  Speaker 3: Why don't you give me a nice paper cut and
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  Speaker 3: put lemon juice in it while you're at it. But then,
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  Speaker 3: and then Florida went on to win a national championship,
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  Speaker 3: beating Houston, which was paying for us as well. He
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  Speaker 3: recently retired and is now ambassador for Auburn is now
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  Speaker 3: doing sports broadcasting. He is also someone who cares passionately
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  Speaker 3: about Israel, passionately about America, passionately about sports, passionately about life.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to talk about all of them, Bruce.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome God, Senator Cruz. That's a lot to a love
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  Speaker 2: up to right there. That's a tremendous introduction. It's great
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  Speaker 2: to be with you, guys. Appreciate what you're doing. Grateful.
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  Speaker 1: he needs mentorship and someone who won't give up on him.
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  Speaker 1: Meet Sophia. She'll become the first in her family to
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  Speaker 1: graduate university. She'll teach dozens of children who remind her
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  Speaker 1: just start with retirement because it doesn't sound like you're
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  Speaker 1: retiring at all.
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  Speaker 4: No, and this is what your retirement's going to look like.
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  Speaker 4: I just want you to know this. There's no way
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  Speaker 4: you're ever going to retire center. I'd probably be the
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  Speaker 4: same way as.
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  Speaker 3: What I believe. Retirement is a moral And by the way,
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  Speaker 3: ask my father who's eighty six about to turn eighty seven,
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  Speaker 3: and he will argue retirement is not a biblical concept.
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  Speaker 3: My dad's a pastor, and he will lay out there's
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  Speaker 3: no concept of retirement anywhere in the Older New Testament.
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  Speaker 2: I like it.
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  Speaker 3: We are here on this planet to make a difference.
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  Speaker 3: And and and retirement is not something. He will never retire.
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  Speaker 3: I will never retire. And Bruce is not retiring, He's
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  Speaker 3: just moving to a different, different arena.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not coaching and not coaching basketball My management style
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  Speaker 2: is I put twenty pounds of potatoes in a ten
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  Speaker 2: pound bag every single day, every day.
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  Speaker 3: My Taylor says, I do the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: Me too. That's a part of my new Year's resolution.
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  Speaker 3: His too.
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  Speaker 2: I want to try to lose half one hundred.
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  Speaker 3: So actually we have a new Year's resolution. We had
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  Speaker 3: to show this at my first resolution.
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  Speaker 2: How you doing? Are you on it? Are you working?
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  Speaker 3: I am on it. It is to drop thirty pounds
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  Speaker 3: this year, and it's I used to be skinny as
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  Speaker 3: a rail. I was a buck thirty five coming out
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  Speaker 3: of college.
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  Speaker 2: I was two fifty two when I started. So I
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  Speaker 2: want to get down about two twenty two. That's my number.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm too thirty six. My objective is to be
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  Speaker 3: at two o six January next year.
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  Speaker 2: All right, good, we can do it.
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  Speaker 3: And you've already dropped much.
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  Speaker 2: So I started.
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  Speaker 3: It's embarrassing.
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  Speaker 1: It's embarrassing. I started a big dude. I'm a big dude,
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  Speaker 1: so I was.
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  Speaker 4: I've always been a big days like you played football,
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  Speaker 4: now I played tennis.
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  Speaker 2: I was.
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  Speaker 4: I went to the doctor August twenty If you.
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  Speaker 3: Can imagine George Foreman with a racket, Yes, I went
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  Speaker 3: to that doctor.
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  Speaker 1: August of two and a half years ago, and I
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  Speaker 1: went and he scared the living sun out of me.
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  Speaker 1: And I was two ninety eight and now I'm two
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  Speaker 1: I think at two o nine. Wow, so I've lost
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  Speaker 1: about ninety good. Yeah, and I felt better. I sleep
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  Speaker 1: better that that's three kids, that's what. Yeah, Mike, I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to have a hard attacker stroke.
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  Speaker 3: All right, So let's start. We're gonna talk sports. We're
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  Speaker 3: also going to talk in IL and college sports, but
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  Speaker 3: let's just start a little bit of history. So I
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  Speaker 3: was reading reading your bio and I discovered a fact
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know, which is I believe you are the
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  Speaker 3: only Division one basketball coach who didn't play basketball and
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  Speaker 3: even like JV basketball. Yeah, like, like, how the heck
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  Speaker 3: did that happen? That's that's pretty wild?
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  Speaker 2: Actually it is wild. All right. So I'm fifteen years
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  Speaker 2: old and I'm the best athlete in town. I'm the
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  Speaker 2: first kid picked for everything. I'm bat fourth, I'm pitching,
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  Speaker 2: I'm playing quarterback. I was doing it all and I
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  Speaker 2: was so can I say that? Yeah, I just wasn't
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  Speaker 2: a great kid, I swear, all right.
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  Speaker 3: One of our very first podcasts, we ever did down
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  Speaker 3: in a basement. This is years ago during the first
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  Speaker 3: Trump impeachment trial. The very first guess on this podcast
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  Speaker 3: was Lindsey Graham. Oh gosh, and Lindsey, who's a dear friend.
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  Speaker 3: Lindsay goes, what in the hell is a podcast? And
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  Speaker 3: he and he also at one point he said, that's bullshit?
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  Speaker 3: Can I say bulls say that? It's like, well, you
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  Speaker 3: just said heavy.
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  Speaker 2: Lindsey Graham and John Kennedy and Bruce Pearl about that.
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  Speaker 2: That's crazy. It's a trifacta. So. So, I just I
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  Speaker 2: was defined by my ability to dominate you in everything.
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  Speaker 2: And I had a career ending knee injury. And as
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  Speaker 2: a high.
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  Speaker 5: School I was a freshman, wow, and and I was
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  Speaker 5: blocking and it was a blindside hit whatever it just
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  Speaker 5: and I didn't have a very successful got.
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  Speaker 2: My knee, helmet on my knee, and I didn't have
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  Speaker 2: a great recover whatever it was. And I honestly believed
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  Speaker 2: that it was God's plan to say, no, this is
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  Speaker 2: not the person that I had you to be, yea
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  Speaker 2: and so, but there was a competitor in me. So
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  Speaker 2: what did I do. I went up for the school play.
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  Speaker 2: I became the class president, and I learned that the
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  Speaker 2: band kids were the coolest kids on campus, the same
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  Speaker 2: kids that I maybe used to make fun of. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: because they were as fast as I was.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure i'd say the coolest kids.
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  Speaker 2: Cool band guys were fun all right?
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  Speaker 3: All right? Now you went out for the play? Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and I was president of the drama club.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, how did I not use this against
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  Speaker 1: you for the last So can you say that again
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  Speaker 1: on the show? You were the president of what the
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  Speaker 1: drama club? Okay, the drama I'm glad to have a
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  Speaker 1: witness for this. This is gonna be my favorite podcast we've.
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  Speaker 3: Ever so and look, then played Division one sports at
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  Speaker 3: all Miss. Now, to be fair, it was.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, you can say, yeah, it's the most successful
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  Speaker 1: I've ever been at ole Miss.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just saying, but okay, So, so you you went
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  Speaker 3: out for the play. Are you a singer? You an actor?
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  Speaker 2: I would sing, I could before I got a coaching
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  Speaker 2: and lost my voice.
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  Speaker 3: All right, what what role? What would you be saying?
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  Speaker 2: We did something in Oklahoma? I actually did something in Oklahoma.
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  Speaker 2: So we sang there and then we did drama competition.
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  Speaker 2: We did we went and did but it just introduced
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  Speaker 2: me to different world.
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  Speaker 3: A different world by the different of my high school
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  Speaker 3: acting career is I cannot carry a tune to save
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  Speaker 3: my life. I wish I have envy over those who can,
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  Speaker 3: who are musical, and and a nightmare story just to
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  Speaker 3: do a digression. So senior year, we're doing Oliver and
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  Speaker 3: and the head.
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  Speaker 2: Of least sir, I want more.
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  Speaker 3: Right, that's it?
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  Speaker 1: And and the all I'm thinking right now is did
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  Speaker 1: I leave? I read the cliff notes of this, but
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  Speaker 1: keep going.
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  Speaker 3: So so the hand of the I'm at Second Baptist
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  Speaker 3: High School in Houston. The head of the music program
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  Speaker 3: there said, Okay, we really want you to play Fagan,
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  Speaker 3: which is the lead. It's a great role, you know,
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  Speaker 3: he's running all the you and and and he said,
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  Speaker 3: we want you to play Fagan if you can sing it.
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  Speaker 3: So I actually hired a voice coach for the entire
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  Speaker 3: summer to practice, and I had worked on it. The
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  Speaker 3: good thing is Fagan's songs are more spoken than than songs,
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  Speaker 3: so you can kind of talk them through. So I'd
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  Speaker 3: worked on a on a Fagan song and I could
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  Speaker 3: do it, and and the tryouts I thought I did
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  Speaker 3: pretty well, and afterwards he said, ted, stick around, and
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  Speaker 3: he sat at the piano and he plays dun't dunt,
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  Speaker 3: dun dun he said, sing. Then I go and he
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  Speaker 3: does it like four times. I miss every note. He goes, yeah, okay.
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  Speaker 3: So I cast as Bill Sykes, which is the second
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  Speaker 3: male lead, and it's the non singing lead. In high school,
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  Speaker 3: you create a non singing role for people like me.
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  Speaker 3: Now it's the villain. I get to beat people up
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  Speaker 3: on total jerk. But but it's still well, it still
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  Speaker 3: pains me. I should have been Fagan. I could have
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  Speaker 3: been a captender. But anyway, so you you're you're.
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  Speaker 2: Are you still a villain or no?
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  Speaker 1: You know a little bit Yeah, that says yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: oh yeah, Wikipedia you should be yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Look look doctor evil on me.
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  Speaker 2: I just want to be on your side, don't you.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to be on your side.
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  Speaker 3: All right, So.
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  Speaker 2: You go from that.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, I recently talking about the villain. I
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  Speaker 3: recently my fifteen year old daughter Catherine, her friend was asked,
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  Speaker 3: we're asking for a good movie to watch, and so
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  Speaker 3: I recommended Coming to America, which had never seen great movie. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: And it starts off early on with James Earl Jones,
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  Speaker 3: and so you know, I was asking them like, what
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  Speaker 3: famous voice did James Earl Jones play? And and it
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  Speaker 3: tells you something that that three fifteen year old has
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  Speaker 3: had no idea. And I start who was, of course
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  Speaker 3: voted the number one villain of the past century in movies.
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  Speaker 3: And none of the fifteen year olds recognized jars Vader's voice.
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  Speaker 2: All right, wow, so we didn't get So here's here's
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  Speaker 2: what happens to me. So how did I? How do
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  Speaker 2: I get into coaching? What happens? So I decided to
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  Speaker 2: go to Boston College. I'm again an athlete. I walked
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  Speaker 2: on the basketball team, got cut because I was still
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  Speaker 2: not a good enough athlete to be able to make it.
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  Speaker 2: But the head coach, doctor Tom Davis, kind of saw
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  Speaker 2: something in me and my intensity and whatever. I became
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  Speaker 2: a manager, and my advice to people is let.
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  Speaker 3: Me quick, Yeah why hoops? I guess not football, because
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  Speaker 3: you're yeah football.
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  Speaker 2: I played baseball. I was a really good baseball player,
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  Speaker 2: had a varsity baseball career at Sharon High School. But
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't play basketball. Couldn't play I was actually was
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  Speaker 2: about that point I had to be a first basement
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  Speaker 2: because I was limited in my movement. We won the
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  Speaker 2: league championship and had good I had a good run.
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  Speaker 2: But the point was I couldn't play basketball Boston College,
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  Speaker 2: but I worked for the program. I just made myself important.
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't planning on being a coach. I just kind
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  Speaker 2: of was having funny. I was selling tickets, I was
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  Speaker 2: I was a practice player, and I was referee, and
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  Speaker 2: I was helping him run his camp. I was doing
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  Speaker 2: all these different things just for poops and giggles. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I was going to leave college and going to go
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  Speaker 2: to Israel and join the army for a couple of
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  Speaker 2: years and serve a little bit. That's what I kind
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  Speaker 2: of was gonna do. He got the Stanford job my
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  Speaker 2: senior year, and all of a sudden, he calls me
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  Speaker 2: one day. He calls me over to his house. The
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  Speaker 2: only time he ever called me to his house was
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  Speaker 2: when the Dinas students called me streaking across campus and
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  Speaker 2: I throw me out of school.
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  Speaker 3: And I was always you on campus. So I was
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  Speaker 3: circumcised a terrible confession. You were a steaker to you
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  Speaker 3: and I share that in common.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know what that was back in the day.
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  Speaker 2: That was popular back then.
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  Speaker 3: So this is a terrible admission. So look, as you know,
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  Speaker 3: I went to Princeton, that's not the terrible admission.
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  Speaker 2: All of the sudden would say that, brag about that.
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  Speaker 3: So for a hundred years, Princeton had a tradition that
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  Speaker 3: was called the neod Olympics, and it occurred on the
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  Speaker 3: night of the first snowfall of the year that sophomores.
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  Speaker 2: Were a little strip little chili, little chili.
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  Speaker 3: Through you know as outside but but and you would
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  Speaker 3: run through the campus and you do jumping Jackson events.
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  Speaker 3: And it was one hundred year old rad.
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  Speaker 2: So that it gave it the pure pressures.
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  Speaker 3: What you're telling I am confident there there's no photographic evidence.
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  Speaker 3: But but I did keep on my boots and a scarf.
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  Speaker 3: That's good, you know fashion, And it was anyway.
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  Speaker 2: So bottom line, no matter what you're doing, make you
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  Speaker 2: solf valuable. So when Tom Davis left Boston College, you
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  Speaker 2: go to Stanford. Yeah, he asked this twenty one year
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  Speaker 2: old manager to come with him and be an assistant coach.
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  Speaker 2: Why because when it came to well who's doing this
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  Speaker 2: or who's.
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  Speaker 4: Doing that, you were doing it.
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  Speaker 2: I was doing it. And I wasn't doing it to
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  Speaker 2: get a job. I wasn't doing for the reward. So
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  Speaker 2: no matter no matter where you are, people want to
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  Speaker 2: know how to be successful. What's do the next thing?
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  Speaker 2: Don't worry about what's next. Be unbelievable where you are
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  Speaker 2: and either God's going to have a plan for you
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  Speaker 2: or just gonna put yourself in a position to be successful.
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  Speaker 3: That's great life.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what I did. When did you know you
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  Speaker 2: want to coach? Like? When did that transition happen? So
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  Speaker 2: my whole, my whole deal was always I made people
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  Speaker 2: better around me. I recognized that there were four other
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  Speaker 2: guys out there in the court and they needed to
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  Speaker 2: do their job. And I love to win. I mean
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  Speaker 2: I love to win at all. Come yes, right, And
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  Speaker 2: so my ability to encourage them, challenge them, know when
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  Speaker 2: to uh, you know, give us some support, but also
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  Speaker 2: hold them accountable. Whatever it was, I was always a
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  Speaker 2: coach on the floor.
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  Speaker 3: Now how do you get started? Look it's one thing
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  Speaker 3: when you're bruce people, but look, you're a twenty one,
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  Speaker 3: twenty two year old assistant coach at Stanford. You're playing
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  Speaker 3: with players who can shoot lights out and they were old.
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  Speaker 2: Some of the kids on the team were older than
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  Speaker 2: I was when I was an assistant coach.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know they can fly through the air
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  Speaker 3: and they can do things right that you How did
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  Speaker 3: you get the credibility when you're just buying for them
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  Speaker 3: to listen and say, Okay, I want to listen to
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  Speaker 3: what this guy has said.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes don't talk. Your presence is your gift. I'd be
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  Speaker 2: the first one in the gym I agree bound for them.
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  Speaker 2: You'd think that while I was rebounding for them, i'd
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  Speaker 2: say something about their shot. How about just be there
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  Speaker 2: for now or not say a word and then get
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  Speaker 2: them to go to the next day and the next day.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care. I don't have to teach them anything.
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  Speaker 2: I need to get them in the gym. I need
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  Speaker 2: to be in there. I need to be in there.
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  Speaker 2: I need to be before they get there. I need
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  Speaker 2: to stay after. And then you just choose your words wisely,
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  Speaker 2: I would be a parrot for my head coach. I
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  Speaker 2: listen to what I say. I listen to what he said,
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  Speaker 2: and when I got comfortable enough, I said the same things.
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  Speaker 2: So all I was doing was reinforcing his messages. And
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  Speaker 2: so when I left doctor Tom Davis. After some fourteen
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  Speaker 2: years as his assistant. He gave me two pieces of advice.
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  Speaker 2: He says, Number one, be yourself. That way you could
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  Speaker 2: be authentic. He was a doctor, he was quieter than
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  Speaker 2: I was. I'm passionate, I'm emotionally. He said, Look that way,
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  Speaker 2: you don't have to fake it. But the second thing
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  Speaker 2: is do what we do. You know our system, teach
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  Speaker 2: what like Sometimes coaches they want a big borrow and
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  Speaker 2: steel from Hey, well when I get to be a coach,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that. Look, I
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  Speaker 2: know what I know. You know what you know? Okay,
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  Speaker 2: teach that. It's not so much what you do, but
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  Speaker 2: it's how you do it, how you can teach it.
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  Speaker 3: So what was the system?
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: What are the up tempo fast break? Gary Williams, who
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: was at Maryland, was also under doctor Tom Davis. Gary
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: wanted Division one national championship. We were very up tempo.
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: We trusted our players. Sometimes you sometimes get confused and
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: thinking great coaches or coaches that are well, those kids
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: are really patient, they hold the ball. That's because they
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: don't trust their players. To get the most out of
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: your players, you've got to empower them a little bit.
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: My job was to see something and then they didn't
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: see them themselves. Put them in positions to be successful.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: I didn't need five great ball hindles, I needed one.
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: I needed five great shooters. All that helped that they
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: could shoot. I just needed a couple. I need a
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: guy that could readbout. I loved roles. I love dimensions.
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: So one of the things I tell people is have
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: a dimension in an organization. Yes, sometimes you need a
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: glue guy something. It's good at everything, but you need
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: I'd rather so it's great at this, but can't do that.
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: I'll hide that. I'll hide what they can't do. But
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: give me this. And that's what I think maybe one
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: of the things that may be a good.
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: Cos Right, So, over your career, how many games you won.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: I don't. I think over seven hundred.
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: But I'm not even I know it's a big, big number,
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: but it's.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: It's a little over seven hundred, exactly, sure.
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: So what's all right? What's the difference between a bad coach,
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: a good coach, and a great coach?
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: Great so so Pat Died, the legendary football coach, said,
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: you can coach them as hard as you love them.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: And one of the challenges right now and and college
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: sports is the transfer portal and kids only stay in
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: one year. Yeah, like I tell my And let's be clear,
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: that's not a year, it's six months, right right. I
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: can't love my kids in a year. And I think
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: love is a word that's overused. I love some of
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: my friends, I love my family, I love my country.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: But it doesn't come quickly. It's something you've got to
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: go through some stuff, trials and tribulation. Yes, and yes,
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: I needed. I need to be when they call me
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: when they've got to break it up with a girl
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: where something happened at home, somebody's sick, and somebody's going
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: to die. And we go through some stuff and be
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: there when they're not when they're not successful, but not
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: give up on them. And then all of a sudden
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: they become something. And you were there when you believe
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: when nobody else did. And so coaching was hard. You
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: love him. Billy Donovan said this, and I agree with him.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: He said, we all can coach him to play hard.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: We all teach pretty good defense. He said. The great
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: coaches are the ones that are the great offensive coaches
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: that can create offense to get guys really good shots
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: and really good looks. We all can defend, we all
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: can get our kids to play hard. But the brilliant
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: coaches are the ones that understand offense. When you look
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: at the let's get in.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: I l no, no, I want to come ask you
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: were coaching?
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: Okay, was within it was coaching in il.
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: But we're going, we're.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: Going, all right, we're backing up. I'm ready to go.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: All right, So let's say this.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: So you know he's a basketball like, he's obsessed.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, do you know he shoots twice a week, plays
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: twice a week.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: I understand that.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: I understand that.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: And you know there's two amazing basketball courts within a
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: driver from where we are.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: Yes, there's a Supreme Court.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: When I was there today for the like the Supreme
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Court has they have a basketball court at the spring court.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Did you know this?
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: Three times a week? So the Supreme Court court is
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: above the court room, so the floor of the court
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: is the room.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: This is still a joke. That's crazy. You hear the
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: balls bounce every now and then.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: You cannot you play during oral arguments, you'll hear the
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: balls bounce. So it's actually a rule no dribbling during
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: an argument. And do you know the nickname for it,
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: the highest court in the.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Land, the highest cordon the land. That's good.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: And it's a weird court because the roof is kind
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: of low, so you have to develop this weird ass
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: jump shot that's almost like a line if you have
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: a normal by the ceiling. So the folks that are
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: regulars there have a very strange jump shot.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Don't tell me seven foots have to duck. It's not
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: quite that bad.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: It's not quite that bad. But all right, let's say
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: so we have a lot of young people that listen
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: to this show. Let's say we've got a kid who's fifteen, sixteen,
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: it's a high school athlete and wants to make it
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: in in college basketball, football, whatever sport. What's the key
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: for a kid with some skill but doesn't know if
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: he can make it. What does a kid want to
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: do to actually have a shot playing in college.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Well, back in the day, we used to play football, basketball,
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: and baseball. We all played all the sports. You know,
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: I'm sure as a tennis player you play in the sports, right,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: And so kids are beginning to sort of maybe cut
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: it down to one or two, you know, not just
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: one specialize, specialization.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: Six or seven.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: They're telling no, no, don't do it then, but do
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: it as you get into college. Don't play every sport,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: play a couple high school sports, and but but narrow
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: it down a little bit. Obviously the things that they're
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: you know, nutrition now was a factor. The kids are
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: doing a better job take care of the body. They're
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: they're specialized. Our kids now are way more physically mature
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: than they were back in the day because the money
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: is bigger. They they're closer to the money, so they're
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: they're getting more disciplined, and they're they're working out more.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: And uh, I mean again I got I kind of
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: go back to advice. Have a dimension on the court,
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: you know, do something really well that a coach can
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Obviously you can use.
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: What is your it's what is your thing?
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Is the question? Right? What makes him special? Now?
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: I mean that's what you're saying, is important for you
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: to stand out when you're getting recruited.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: Ben, what was your game in tennis? Will you serve?
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: No?
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: I was I was known as being slow, having a
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: massive serve, having an unbelievable ad court.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Return for you're a backstop like there's just continue to
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: get sent it back, send it back, send it back,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: and where I'm out. Yeah, I mean it was.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: It was He's going to serve through you, and he's
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: gonna and he and he will always have you in devils.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Then you'll win more points that paper. I mean for me,
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: tough obviously, toughness, mental and physical toughness wind up wind
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: up winning. At the end of the day. A physically
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: and a mentally tough guy is going to win. It's
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: like when dogs kind of getting a fight, they they
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: kind of know who the big dog is. And the
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: big dog may not be the biggest dog out there,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: but he's a badass, and so it's it's something Toughness
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: isn't something that you can really teach, but you sure
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: can't expose it. It can be exposed, and so soft
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: kids don't make it all right.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: What makes a great shooter?
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: I think the eye. I think I think guys that
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: have incredible eyes that are able to focus on that
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: target and hit that target.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: That's two answers you gave. I wouldn't have predicted in
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: the eye and.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Seeing it like mentally, like if you were as a
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: tennis player, you had to actually see and mentally see
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: that serve when you toss it up there and hit
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: it through. Great baseball players can see that ball.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: Ted Williams could see the scenes on the curve ball
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: like he had just crazy good.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: A true story.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: My coach said to me, he goes, there will be
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: a time in your life when you will be able
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: to have a serve hit at you and you'll be
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: able to tell me the number and who makes the ball.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: And it happened for me for three days and I
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: never got it back.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: But you could hit ball as hard as you want
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: to serve one hundred and fifteen hundred and twenty miles
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: an hour, and I could tell you it was a
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Wilson was open three or a pin four. And I
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: don't know what happens in your brain, but it's the
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: same thing with it now. I never got it back.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: But he didn't lie, and that he was like the
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: guys that are the greats could see that the majority.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: Of And I gotta tell you, if you play me
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: ping pong and you hit the ball at me, I
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: can tell you what color the ball.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: That's good.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Usually it's orange white ball.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: I mean it's not good.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: It's that good. It's a gift.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he should have been recruited and I al would
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: have loved this guy.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Can you go in to Pink Pond's scholarship? Can you
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: not in a game in Asia? And Asia that might
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: be a thing.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: I'm not for. All right, let's talk Nil how his
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: ni l changed college sports.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Do you love it or hate it? Can ask?
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: First of all.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: First of all, the NCAA was arrogant and not recognizing
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: that they were sitting on our country's biggest anti trust violation.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: They were just arrogant, and we had smart people in
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: the industry and the fact that they wanted to fight
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: for amateurism when it wasn't realistic when everybody was making
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: all this money. I was a big believer obviously Scott
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: college scholarships and what that industry did for our country.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Think about it. Rural Americans that never dreamed of going
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: to college, all of a sudden, they had the opportunity
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: through something that they maybe were good at sports, got
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: them on the campus and.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: Kids award it that that had no history of family
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: going to college.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Weren't ever thinking about it all of a sudden because
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: because academics may not have been something they were good at.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Nobody likes to do anything they're not good at, but
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: they like sports. Then they went to college and they
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: got caught up and figured out they weren't dumb, they
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: just weren't prepared. Women. There weren't as many women on
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: college campuses back in the day. Intercollegiate athletics Title nine
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: exploded women on campus just so, and there is no
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: other university. Intercollegiate athletics is American. There's no other place
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: in the world that does what we do. So we've
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: got a unique system that right now needs fixing because
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: it's it's it's a disaster. It's chaos off the court,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: on the field, and on the court. It's great. The
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: product that we're putting out is really, really good. But
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: the problem is what we're paying our top student athletes
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: because everybody wants to win is ridiculous. Back in the day,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: ten years ago, you couldn't give him a hamburger. Now
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: you can buy them a Hamburger restaurant. It's not against
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: the rules. Literally, the top college football programs that are
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: competing right now, their call their rosters are between thirty
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: five and forty million dollars for that roster right now,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: most most schools can't afford it, So most schools aren't there.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: But the schools that are playing right now and still
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: playing right now are there. Why is Indiana and Miami there?
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Great coaching, great kids, great support, But Indiana would be
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: a great example. All of a sudden, Mark Cuban, the
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: people in Indiana said, you know what, We're going to
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: be committed. Yep. Now the challenge is are you gonna
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: do it every year? And it's one thing in your world?
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: You got to raise twenty million dollars for an election
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: thirty minute, whatever it is.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: My last race was a quarter billion dollars.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Race, and I got I sent a thousand dollars. Very
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: happy to have supported you, Thank you. Yeah, absolutely, I
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: would confess I didn't know that.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: That's really cool.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Very happy to have supported thank you. But every year,
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: every year, if you had a camp paint every year
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: and you had to raise that money every year, that's
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: what's happening in college sports. College sports is losing an
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: enormous amount of money. We can't continue to afford it,
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: and so who's gonna suffer from it? At some point?
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Olympic sports are gonna get cut.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: We're in the Olympics.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Well, see that schools are canceling programs every day. They're
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: doing it now, and smaller schools are also in trouble.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: YEP.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: Division two, Division three. Yes, if we don't do something,
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: I think we're gonna wake up soon and there's gonna
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: be thirty to fifty programs and the top programs will
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: survive and have all the money, and I think everyone
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: else goes under unless we.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Do something correct.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: This subject makes me mad because I'm mad at the
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: NCAA for allowing us to get to this point. And
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: I'll say it quickly. I watched the corruption when I
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: was at Ole miss And what does corruption look like?
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Roommate of mine had to go get money in cash
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: so mom could come to the game. Grew up in Arkansas,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: literally grew up in a trailer, and it was what
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: does mom need to get you to come to school?
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Here?
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: We were paying players, it was there. Every athlete knew.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: It was the idea that people weren't getting paid.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: But I like to say SMU was doing nil before.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: They were pioneers, but the NCAA knew it. And that's
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: the part that makes me angry now is like they've
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: created this chaos.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: Well they created it by.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Not policing it and figuring out sooner because they owned us.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: And I say, it's an athlete like a modern day slave.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: You made all this money off of our work. You
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: made all this cash off the TV rights everyone was getting.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: I told you, I really makes me mad because I
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: see these kids that are suffering.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: The parents.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: They just want to show up for the game. Then
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: they're having to do shady deals where mom gets cash
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: so you can drive to the game. But they're making
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: millions and all the seats and all the tickets and
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: everything else. And we were abused. As an athlete. I
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: think it is modern day slavery what they did. Now
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: it's gone the other way, and they're like, well, it's
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: this is a terrible thing for the athletes.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: There has to be in between.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: But my point is, don't pull it all the way
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: back where, let's make it an honest living. I think
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: guys like Tim Tebow is a great example of this.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Tim Tebow or a TEXTA A and M guy, what's
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: his name, Johnny Selm, timeon jo The amount of money
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: they're bringing into these programs, and if you get hurt,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: you don't go to the next level. You don't get
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: to go to the NFL. You deserve to get paid
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: while you're a pro athlete at a university. That's what
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: you are. I say that to also say I am concerned.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: I played a non sport that made money. I don't
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: want to see golf disappear, tennis disappear, women swimming, archery,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: whatever it may be.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: How do we rein it in it's a grand idea,
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: I say.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: I get frustrated because I genuinely still hate the NCAA
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: right now.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: I cannot stand them.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: And if you go and poll athletes, if you did
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: a poll right now of the last twenty years of
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: college athletes in Division one, they will tell you they
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: hate the NCAA because they never protected them.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: They never took care of us.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: And then every time we asked a question, you know what,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: they said, shut up and sit down. You're a student athlete.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: You're here for free, be quiet. If you ask questions
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: about expend or anything else, you know what they do.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: They would investigate your team and punish you if you
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: ask questions. So my point is this, if you don't
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: protect the student athletes moving forward, they're gonna get screwed
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: again when you do the new deal. And that's where
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: I ask you as a coach, as a former coach, now,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: how do you do both? Because I'm telling you, the
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: kids will get screwed again because there's too much money
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: not to screw them if you don't pay attention.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: So I'm worried. I'm worried that.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: I almost like the Wild West more because at least
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: it's an honest day's work.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: And all the betting that's going on now, it's insane.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: The amount of money around college sports insane.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Everyone's getting paid.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: So part of me is like, as a kid, I'm like,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: if my kid's good enough, I bring me the cash too.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: You're making money off of every game of every other way.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: When he says if his kid's good enough bringing the cash,
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: this is not hypothetical because his son's He had one
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: son who was the number two golfer in the.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: World for his age practice so how old he was
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: He started at six, Now he's nine.
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: So I have my news. I have a twin at six.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Aubyn went National championshipc golf last year. Yeah, oh yeah,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: We've got to the top ten amateurs in the world
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: on our team right.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Now, Ben's already buying a beach house off.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I worry about this. How many kids are
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: gonna get screwed if you overcorrect? So I asked that
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: with passion. As a former athlete, I think what they
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: did to these kids is wrong. The way they were
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: treated was wrong. The way the parents have to some
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: suffer while they're making all this cash off, it's not fair.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Right, Well, you're right about some of the inequalities. I
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: can remember before NIL we'd make the NCAA tournament and
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: we travel wherever we're traveling to, and they might send
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: us to Seattle, they might send us to Utah or whatever.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: And I had parents of some of my players that
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: would take a bus and they travel out there. They'd
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: stay at a y w c A or YMCA. I
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: would pray for victory just so they wouldn't have to
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: watch the game lose and then get back on the
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: bus and leave. In other words, like before we could
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: help families get there. It was actually there was a
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: lot of cost. And I've been trying to support you,
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: so we were way behind and trying to take the pendulum. Obviously,
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: I swung so basically in its simplest term, and the
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Senator understands this. The courts have ruled that the nc DOUBLEA,
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: the way it was set up, setting these rules of
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: eligibility or whether you could transfer, or what your academics
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: could be, or what scholarship was allowed, and what's an
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: extra benefit, all those rules were agreed to by the
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: parties that be without the student athletes being involved. We
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: were the modern day slaves. And so when somebody took
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: that to court, they said, wait a second, why can't
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: I transfer? Uh coach can go from Texas to Texas
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: A and m if he wants to year, I have
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: to sit out a year. And of course said, yeah,
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: you're right.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: And look, by the way, no coach would ever go
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: say I missed LSU.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: No, never, never would happened. It's an abusive relationship.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: I tell you, I know.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: You were relationship missed when I tell him, just because
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: you wanted to win to Natity, So Lane, we'll be
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: sitting there in some hotel room watching.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: He would have gotten bigger bonus that.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: This contract where I got paid.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: If they wanted to that issue, I didn't care pay
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: him the money. I said them before it, and I
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: said I haven't.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Don't forget coach Kiffin built that team.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah I know, but here's what that team. He also
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: abandoned that team that he built. He abandoned that team.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: And this was the one that said, look you he
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: he would have stayed in coach, but this day gave
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: him an ultimatum. That's like that, this is my analogy.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: We're going there.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: That's like me sleeping saying, hey, honey, we're gonna get divorced.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: I slept with the other woman that you call me with.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: I'll sleep with you tonight because I still your husband.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: You know what. You know what when kids would have
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: wanted to go to transfer portal on me and they
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: wanted the opportunity to maybe come back. Yeah, I said,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: so you want to go to transfer portal. Yeah, you
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: want to go get recruited. If things don't work out,
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: you want to come back. Yeah. They said, okay. Some
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: people like me saying to Brandy, Brandy, my wife, come
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: and we said, hey, honey, listen, I love you, but
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: I want to get the transfer portal and if things
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: don't work out, I want to come back. Yeah.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: No, no, you want to You're dead to be out.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: When Lane left and he said, I'm leaving.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: You are dead. Okay, so you know what you need
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: to get over it. I'm finding move on, you're not.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: I've got a few Democrats on there, and Lane Kiffin.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: It's on the list.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: Like if I get a mug shot, you know it's
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: going to be worth it.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: You'll bail me out, right, I'm right behind you, right
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: behind okay, good, good?
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: So what where are we right now? Number one, we
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: need to recognize the urgency. This has to be fixed
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: because for a lot of different reasons, obviously women sports
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: being cut, non revenue sports like tennis being cut, they
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: were losing money. There is so much more revenue to
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: be gained. The NBA is like the fifth or sixth
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: most watched sport in America. College football is number two. Yeah,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: the NBA makes like twice as much money in their
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: television contracts in college football. Why, by the way, because
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: the NBA bargained with the television as a unit as
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: a National Basketball Association college football. The SEC has got
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: their contract with ESPN and the ABC twelve got there
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: or whatever, and we've left a lot of money on
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: the table. College football needs to become college football and
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: maximize their revenues which will help pay for everybody else.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: But there are no rules right now, and the courts
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: have said, the way our laws in the land are written,
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: you can't write these rules and enforce them without infringing
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: on those student athletes' rights. So therefore, what I'm asking
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: would be in exchange for some limited anti trust protection,
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: some limited anti trust per section, Congress would create some
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: law that would at least get us in the room
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: and allow us to talk to the student athletes. There's
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: a special status that's granted two farmers when they co op.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: There's a special status that's granted to the screen actors guilt.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: We don't want employees. The student athletes don't want to
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: be employees. The university who want want employees. We don't
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: want a union. We don't want to have that kind
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: of collective bargaining negotiate. But we got to be able
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: to have college athletics, student athletes and people that will
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: represent them, call them agents, to call them lawyers, get
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: in the same room with some leaders, providing some antitrust
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: protection and let them come up with an agreement. We
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: can do it, but without a little bit of help
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: from Congress, a little bit of legislation, figuring out a
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: way to guests in the room. I don't know. I
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: don't know what the fix is.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: And as you know, I think it is urgent that
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: that that Congress acts. I've spent three years drafting legislation,
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: working on it. The real question is are we going
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: to get bipartisan agreement? And I have been I would
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: say we are very very close. I have been negotiating.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: I am hopeful we get it done this year. I
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: think if Congress doesn't act, we're going to see the
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: college sports that all three of us grew up with.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: We're going to see it decimated and unrecognizable. And so
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: this shouldn't be a partisan issue. One of the great
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: things about sports it brings people together. It brings people
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: together and passionate from totally different walks of life, from
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: different parties, different races, different ethnicities, different religions. You can
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: stand and cheer and and and there's something awesome about sports,
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: About a championship. One of the most fun parts of
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: being in the Senate is I get to root on
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: Texas teams, and it is it is a spectacular thing.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: By the way, I am a die hard Rockets fan.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: You love Jabari Smith a little bit.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: I was gonna ask you like coaching, and boy, he's
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: got his defense is great. His three point shot is
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: getting better every game. What was he like coaching?
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: He was? He was a treasure to coach. I think
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: one of the things that I think when people watch athletes,
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: they just assume that it's God given that the talentssts there,
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: and they're just so blessed.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: It doesn't hurt to be some feet tall.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: It doesn't. But listen, Ted, that kid was in the
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: gym every morning at six o'clock in the morning at
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Sandy Creek High School. He works his tail off, worked
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: his tail off, so when other kids weight over there.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: He got twenty pounds heavy. And it's a totally different
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: game because last year he get pushed around by big guys.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: He's now got enough meat that he's pushing them around.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: He is and he's gotten a lot better. But the
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: discipline that it takes to be a trained athlete, the
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: things you have to stay away from as a high
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: school kid or a college kid that maybe other kids
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: could get away with, and things that they could do,
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: they can't. And so I admire. I always tell people
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: you want to hire somebody in your company or for
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: hire a student athlete. They've tried and they've failed. They
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: understand what pressure is all about. They've got disciplined in
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: their economy. They also know how to make sacrifice on
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: the team. They're not worried about other people's success, which
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: when you are just on yourself and all of a
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: sudden you get in the workplace and you have to
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: sort of fit in it, like the first time you've
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: been a part of a team, Yeah, part of a family,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: so and so forth. So now Jabari is going to
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: be he'll be an NBA al star, and he's got
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: a great tutor and being right there, Durant, being right
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: there with the brought we needed.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: So last year we were number two going into the playoffs,
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: but we didn't have a superstar. We had a lot
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: of great young you know, twenty twenty one, twenty two
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: year old talent that I think is awesome, but we
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: didn't have someone with three minutes to go four you
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: give the ball to and say, okay, we need to score.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: They're gonna get a bucket or they're gonna go to file.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: And Katie is so much fun watching him because I mean,
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: he they'll triple team file the heck out of him,
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: and he makes that lanky, falling back eighteen footer, then
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: just how the heck do you stop it? And there's
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: a reason he's what number six or seven in the
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: all time scoring like a good team. I love. I
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: DVR every Rockets game. And by the way, I was
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: at game seven and ninety four when we beat the
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: Knicks and won our first championship ever, and it's it's
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: my favorite sports memory. And we played at the Summit,
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: and I remember Summits on on Richmond Avenue in Houston's
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: now Lakewood Church, but it used to be the Summit,
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: and I remember on the street on Richmond seeing businessmen
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: in three piece suits crying and hugging homeless men. By
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: the way, the coolest backstory from that game, So where
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: I was sitting was right by where Bob coust Is
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: and Doctor J were broadcast in the game, and I
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: was close enough I could hear him, and when the
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: TV cameras were off, Doctor J gave Costa so much
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: grief and he was saying, man, your nick sucks. And
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: that was the funniest part of the game. Is Doctor
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: ja coub talk some.
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: He is a trash talker, pro he's prodit.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: It was the funniest part of the But but there's
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: there's a all, right, of all the players you've seen,
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: and let's exclude your own players because I don't want
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: to put you in awkward but all the players you've
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: seen coaching, who's the best basketball player you've ever seen?
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: That you said, Holy cow, that guy's got something.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: The player player probably seeing Michael Jordan probably see him.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: I saw him when he was at North Carolina. I
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: was an assistant at Stanford. And the thing about it
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: him he was tiny then by the way he's But
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: you know when you go to a thoroughbred racetrack and
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: you see the legs, it's just the horses just different
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: on the On those thoroughbreds, he had a different He
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: had a different body, a different build, The way he
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: moved way cares just his length. And then what none
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: of us knew was his ability to impact the team.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: That's the difference between him. For me, he's the grace
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: of all time, unquestionable a time. Yeah, because he could
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: handle Rodman. He could handle some of us. They weren't
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: they weren't the most talented teams, but he could handle
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: those guys, and all he cared about was winning. That's
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: all he cared about, and he made everybody else on
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: his team better. I think he made Phil Jackson a
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: better coach because he listened to not my job Joby
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: Hall said this, and I heard this at a Claye
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: one time, and I believe this. Look, it's not my
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: job as a coach make every right decision. I'm going
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: to make the best decisions I possibly can based on
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: my experience and what I know. And you know what,
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna make a lot of good decisions. Not every
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: one of them is going to be the best decision,
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: but it is my player's job to make my decisions work. Shorge,
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: he need to break buddle and make that work. We're
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: going to one three. One might have been a bad decision,
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: but do it well, get out there and make that one.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: We wouldn't work in this posision. What's gonna stop.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: When Jordan came to the NBA, I was a big
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: Larry bird fan, and so I used to argue, Oh,
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: you know, Jordan's fine, but he's not burden. Birden won
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: three consecutive MVPs, and you know he shoot these crazy
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: lefty and jump shots and it was Bird was great.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: He was one of the greatest ever to play. And
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: I'd be like, Okay, yeah, Jordan's good, but he's just
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: an offensive players, one dimensional. And then he comes back
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: and starts playing incredible defense, and I mean like, okay,
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: he can drive, but he can't shoot. And he comes
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: back and I feel like Jordan just like grab me
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: by the head and starts sladding me into the ground.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: And so I'm finally like, I'm making the arguments that
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: I just stopped, and I'm like, yeah, no, yeah, Jordan's
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: just like like it, and I am all right. I
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: defined what what would have been my ultimate dream basketball game,
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: and it was the following It was Houston Chicago. Okay,
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: NBA Finals Game seven, I'm with you. Jordan's scores one
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: hundred and one points and break breaks Wilt's records, and
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: the Rockets win the championship because Scottie Pippen tips the
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: ball in our basket. Because I never was that was
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: my dream. Is a great player.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: I wait to hear some of his mannerisms, and.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he would, he would throw temper tantrums. He didn't
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: have the heart. Look what Jordan had was a heart the.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Size of all you guys say, is the.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: End of a game, you always knew Jordan would get
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: the ball, he'd be triple teamed, and it wouldn't matter.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: He would score, and it just I'm.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Gonna give you one. You're one of the greatest athletes
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: to play the game basketball. Who's that Larry Bird? Larry
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Bird wasn't fast and Larry Bird didn't jump high. People
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: confuse athleticism. I know a lot of really bad athletes
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: could jump out of the gym. They can't catch the ball.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: They have no balance, the sense, they have no Larry Bird.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Bird had great athleticism, he just wasn't very fast. He
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: didn't jump right. Yeah, and sometimes athleticism getting There's some
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: great athletes that are golfers or tennis or they may
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: not be as powerful, but the hand eye coordination and
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: things that I think that's a that's part of being
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: an athlete.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: Xavier McDonald told a story about covering Bird at the
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: end of the game and the Celtics were, I think
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: down a point and McDonald said that there was a
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: timeout with like ten twelve seconds left, and as they're
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: head of the timeout, Bird said, all right, the end
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: of the timeout, they're going to pass me the ball.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: He said, I'm gonna dribble it right here, and he
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: points to a spot on the floor. I'm gonna shoot
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: from here. I'm gonna score, and we're gonna win the game.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: And he said, they walked off the timeout, they came
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: back the pass of all to him. He dribbled to
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: that spot. Yeah, shot scored and won the game. And
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: he said, there's nothing I could.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: Do about it. Yeah, Bird would do that. That's he
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: was known. He'd tell him right ahead of time. Right,
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: you're talking about shit talker the best.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: That was his reputation.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, you know, it's true. It was really really true.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: I mean the maw man told me. Came alone. Yeah,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: we had, We had dinner together and hung out in Vegas.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: The humble brag. Yeah it was.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: It was a fun day.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: But he was talking about on the Dream Team and
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: he said that the best part about that was watching
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: the greats.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Talk trash in each other's face, calling shots with the
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: young guys. Remember the game where the coaches left.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: Already you old enough to remember Bruce's and I am.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you are. The McDonald's commercial with
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: Bird and Jordan's.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Yes, I do remember I've seen where there's these crazy
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: shots raftery on the back.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: You know nothing, but it's one of the great for
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: those of y'all. We have a lot of young listeners.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Go to Google.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like like McDonald's classics.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: All right, go ahead, but no, he said, the best
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: part about that game when the coaches left the room
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: and it was like they were calling shots in each
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: other's face and there was a lot of betting going on.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Is he said, seeing Charles Barkley trash talk with Larry
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan. You look at that row,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: the guys that were there trash talking, and he said
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: it was the ultimate level of trash talking because there
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: was no audience, so it was just.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: In your face.
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: You weren't worried about anyone recording you. There wasn't cell
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: phones in.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: It was just pure.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: He said.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: It was the most fans ever had playing a pickup game,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: because you're playing a pickup game with the best players
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: in the world, and that had to be pretty fun.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: And he was a partialier.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: So we got another topic that you care deeply about,
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: which is Israel. So tell us a little bit about
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: number one. Why does Israel Mattery.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: I think because I was in sports, and because I was,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: you know, obviously in college basketball. Again, we're old enough
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: to have seen an educational system growing up. Let's take
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: the state of Indiana or Illinois, different states where you've
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: got inner cities and you've got rural America. Within the
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: same cities, you'd see schools that look like college campuses,
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: and just a few miles down the road they look
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: like prisons. Like there's more security and more g you know,
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: used to go to the screens to get through the school.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: And and this was our educational system. And I was like, man,
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: this is wrong, like like these these these kids have
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: way more of an advantage, and and I just I
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: felt like there was sort of some of the things
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: that doctor doctor King talked about. Silence is complicity. Like
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: just just my my Hebrew name is Mortorcai Morcai. In
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: the story of u Por and Esther, Hayman was going
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: to kill all the Jews in Persia and Morcai, Esther's
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: uncle said, look, if you don't get to the you know,
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: the king Haman's actually gonna this is going to be
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: the Holocaust, and so he spoke into her and so
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: My grandfather told me that he named me Mortorchai because
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: he wanted me to be somebody that would protect and
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: stand up for the weaker. And so whether it be
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: in school, if you want to try to pick on
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: a kid, you kind of had to go through me.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: That's sort of who That's who I was. So I
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: was always wanting.
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: To and we were a protector, which meant you're the
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: perfect coach.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Correct. That's as it worked out. American Jewry should be
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: the country's greatest patriots. Jews in America should be this
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: country's greatest patriots. Because where else in the history of
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: the world have the Jewish people had an opportunity to
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: work hard, own land, owned business, do thing, But in
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: this incredible democracy, the United States of America. Nowhere else
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: except maybe Israel. Right now, Jews should be this country's
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: greatest patriots. So I this country saved my grandfather's life.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: He came from Turnapo in nineteen twenty nine when he
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: was eleven years old. He was the oldest of three
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: younger siblings. He brought my auntie Shirley, my uncle, my
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: uncle Harold was an infant, and my Auntie Claire. And
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: he told me this country saved our family's life.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: Wow. So, and where did they go to?
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Went to Boston, was to the Boston area, went with
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: some family, and much of his family couldn't make the trip,
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: didn't make the trip, died in the Holocaust. Wow. And
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: so he loved Israel because he had told me that
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: if Israel had been a state way back then in
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: nineteen twenty nine, even though his Zionism, even the Jews
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: were returning to the ancestral home run America was the dream,
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: but it was more expensive to come to America. That
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: maybe if Israel was a state back in twenty nine,
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: they'd have gone to Israel, and more of his family,
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: more of my cousins and my aunts and uncles, would
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: have survived the Holocaust. And so those things kind of obviously,
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: you know, sort of you know, stuck with me. And
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: now now look at where we are today. You know.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: One of the things Centator, when when people want to
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: have some debate about Israel or who our ally is
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: or how much money were giving, said, I love when
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: I speak about raising someone else. Safe for the Boys
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: and Girls Club. Let's pretend the Boys and Girls Club
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: didn't exist. It's not here. It hasn't been for eighty years,
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: It hasn't been here. How would the boys and girls
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: in this community think of the impact it had. Let's
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: go back to nineteen forty eight. Let's say the Jews lost,
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: Let's say we defeated. Yeah, let's say the Arabs one.
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, totally different than now, you know, and and it
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: is extraordinary.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: Look, Israel is surrounded by nations that would drive it
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: into the sea. And the only reason Israel exists is
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: because it has beaten them over and over and over
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: again in war after war after war, in many instances,
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: against all odds. You know, I'm reminded of Ian. This
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: is kind of a silly analogy, but it's it's one
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: that resonates with me, at least. When I was a kid,
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: there was a book series I read called The Great Brain.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you ever read it. It's it's
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: it's a seven book series about a kid growing up
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: in Utah who's a swindler. They're they're three brothers, Swendy Fitzgerald,
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: Tom D. Fitzgerald, and John D.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: Fitzgerald.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: And the book is written by John D. Fitzgerald and
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: his middle brother, Tom is a con artist and it's
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: it's sort of like, you know, Tom Sawyer sort of thing.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: But he has all these different cons and and they're
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: growing up the about nineteen hundred in Utah, and he says,
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: you know, most of the kids there are Mormon, and
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: he says, we weren't Mormon. And he said, but the
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: Mormons are very tolerant. And he said it was a
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: very simple matter of Swen d learning to whip all
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: the kids his age, and Tom d learning to whip
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: all the kids his age, and me learning to whip
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: all the kids my age. And he has a lie,
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: it's amazing how tolerant kids could be when you can
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: whip them.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: And I remember that lot that is probably ten when
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: I read it, and that phrase, it's amazing how tolerant
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: people can be when you can whip them. And I
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: think of that with Israel, like you look at the
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: Abraham Cords, you look at peace that broke out. I
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: think under President Trump's leadership, none of that happens except
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: for the fact that Israel can whip them. And they've
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: demonstrated it over and over again as recently as this
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: past year in the Twelve Day War. And by the way,
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: as the three of us are talking, there are millions
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: of people on the streets of Iran risking their lives.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: And you look at women that are staying end up
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: there and men they are literally far too many are
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: being slaughtered the others. If the revolution doesn't succeed, they
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: can anticipate being rounded up, tortured, murdered, And in many ways,
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: I think this is the consequence of losing a war
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: that you know, sometimes in today's political world we think
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: everything is a comms matter. It's all about communications and messaging.
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: Now there was a twelve day war and Iran lost.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: And if you are the Iyatola commane, you are an
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: Islamist dictator. Your staying in power is predicated on convincing
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: your citizenry. You are omnipotent, you are unbeatable. There is
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: no hope in rising up because I cannot be beaten.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: And if there's anything worse for an Islamist dictator than
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: losing a war, it's losing to Israel. And they didn't
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: just sort of lose, they didn't just slightly lose. They
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: got their.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: Ask kicked and shut them as being weak.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: And we said on this podcast, are the wake of
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: this I said, I believe the regime will fall because
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: they've been shown to be a paper tiger. And and
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: look by prayers are I can think of nothing that
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: would make the Middle East safer, that would make America
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: safer than having that theocratic lunatic who chanced death to
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: America no longer in charge. What what are your thoughts in.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: Really, I just agree with that completely. It's about peace
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: through strength. Sometimes that guy, that tough guy, he didn't
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: actually have to fight because and so our greatest deterrent
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: with with China and Russia is our own strength.
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: They're not the best way to avoid a war.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: The best way to avoid a war, which is good
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: for every Yes, and so you know, I look at
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: the countries in the Middle East. I think the UAE
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: figured this out first before anybody else. You know what,
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: We're better off being in some sort of a normal
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: relationship with Israel. Yeah, they're strong militarily, they're ethical, they're
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: they're technologically advanced. They want to have a positive relationship.
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: And by the way, before the end of the Trump presidency,
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia will enter the Abrahamic courts. I think they
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: were ready to do so if Trump had served a
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: second term consecutively, they would have done so during a
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: second term. I think they're going to now let me
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: ask it because we're going to wrap up soon. But
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: let me ask you. You and I have talked a
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: lot about rising anti semitism in America, and you've been
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: been very vocal and outspoken. You've shown a lot of
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: courage on that topic. But just just why do you
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: think it's it's happening, and and and and and how
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: does it impact you?
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: What?
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: What are your reactions to what's what's happening in this
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: country right now?
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: I would like to try to well, it's while it's
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: on the rise. There were three Jewish basketball coaches that
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: were in the Final Four this past year. This is
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: the greatest country in the world. That's pretty cool.
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: In other words, I want to tell my players, look,
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: and this is what always bothered me about President Obama,
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: who in so many ways I admired, is credible orator,
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: and you know, just I was so proud of our
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: country for electing a black man to be our president twice.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: I just I'm sorry. I'm a basketball coach. I've seen,
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: you know, I've seen, and I was proud of our
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: historic aspect.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: For a century African Americans were slaves. And so it
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: is you mentioned doctor King, as Ben knows. I have
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: three bus in my office. I have Ronald Reagan, I
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: have Winston Churchill, and I have doctor King, and and
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: and so I agree with doctor King that the arc
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: of justice is long, but the arc of history is long,
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: but it bens towards justice. Yes, and I think that
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: is playing out.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: So I'm just grateful. I recognize the anti semetary, so
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: I recognize my players get profiled driving while black and
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: certain things. There are certain challenges I reckon, but I don't
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: want them to use that an excuse for failure. I
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: don't want. And so, yes, there's theology that sometimes wants
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: to divide us. You could either look at the Jews
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: and say, well, you all killed Christ, all killed our God. Okay,
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: well was it not God's planned to send his son
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: die so that you would be brought into covenant with him?
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: Was that his plan? Does it really matter who killed?
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: For me? I look at say wait a second, like
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: Jesus was Jewish his whole life. My wife's two favorite
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: Jews in Alabama are me and Jesus and me and Jesus,
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: and so for me, that unites me with my Christian brothers.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: Twelve Jewish men died horrific deaths bringing Christianity to this world. Absolutely,
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: and so for me, I say to I don't want
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: I don't nobody say thank you. But there are so
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: many Christians that are standing with us, Senator, as you know.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: And so while we can talk about the rise of
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: anti s, we've got to protect us from those that
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: want to kill us. Anti Semitism is not going anywhere.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: It's not there's going to be the haves and have nots.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: Is there a disproportionate number of American Jews that have
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: wealth in this country compared to the population. The answer
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: is yes, go back eighty years ago and see what
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: those numbers were. They turned the boats around from Europe
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: because we came over here poor and uneducated, and we
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: just took advantage of the American dream. And we should
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: not apologize the fact that we've worked so hard and
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: be grateful for the opportunity. So I kind of turn
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: that around a little bit. Okay, I get it, it's
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: on the rise, but you can still be anything you
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: want to be in this country.
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: Well, and I'll say two things. We'll wrap up on
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: this one. One of the things I admire most about
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: about the Jewish people in the United States and more broadly,
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: is the incredible success they've achieved. And you're right that
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: virtually all of them in the United States at least
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: started with nothing. And you look at in Judaism, the
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: culture of hard work and discipline and family and education,
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: and that has led to extraordinary financial success.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: Extraordinary.
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: The number of Nobel Prizes, one by Israel, one by
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: Jews in America is extraordinary. And I actually view it
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: sort of in the intellectual and the free enterprise capitalist world,
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: sort of like the principle I said before about it's
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: amazing how tolerant people could be when you can whip
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: them like that's great success. And I think all of
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: us should emulate the attributes of discipline and excellence that
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: lead to that success. A second point, I didn't know
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: what you're going to say when I asked about anti Semitism,
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: but I started chuckling because the week before Christmas, and
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: Ben will remember this, I sent out a tweet and
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: I said two thoughts to drive the anti Semits crazy
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: in this Christmas season. Number One, our savior Jesus was
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: Jewish in the line of David. And number two, Jews
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: didn't killed Jesus. I did you did? He died for
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: our sins. That's what the New Testament said, It is
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: that he willingly took the cross to die for our sins.
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: And so the the sort of anti semis to say
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: Jews killed Jesus, well, actually it was Romans who drove
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: the nails in. Is anyone mad at the Italians, like,
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: that's just stupid, it's bad theology, it's it's big a tree.
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: And I will admit I was kind of happy with
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: that tweet because it really did drive.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: One of the biggest things concerned. I know, we got
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: to wrap up young Christians today, the podcasters, the people
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: that are preaching this replacement theology butter garbage the love
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: of country and the love of Christ only you're driving
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: those two things hard at young people. And my point
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: would be this God does not break come it. He's
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: not going to break covenant with the Christians. He did
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: not break covenant with the Jews. He just doesn't go
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: against what he says he will do. He's not a liar.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: And so the people that want to believe that well, Jews,
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: you didn't accept Jesus and musay, look, we'll figure out
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: when we get there. But for the grace of God. Okay,
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: but for his grace, who knows you know exactly what
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: is going to happen. So I'm confident. As a coach,
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: I'm always trying to bring people together and bring teams
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: together so I can see all the things that separate us.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: But instead I look to the things that united said.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: It's amazing the things that we can do together. If
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: you think of your life's great accomplishments, you accomplish it
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: with the people that you cared most about. And that's
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: who That's who the Jewish people are. And I would
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: hope that if you needed something, there's there's there's a
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: hospital someplace in Dallas that's going under, and but for
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: a gift from somebody, there'd be somebody that you might
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: call that might be Jewish. Knowing that there are people
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: that are willing to give and willing to share, and
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: we just got to keep it. I told my Jewish
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: fet look, we got to you know, I don't know
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: why Gods said we're the chosen people, because my grandma
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: said to chosen people. Maybe you should have chosen somebody else.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: It's not so easy, so easy, but but there's a responsibility,
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: the responsibility being a Christian responsibility and jew I gotta
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: walk it every single day. And I'm okay with him.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: I'm okay about to do the best I possibly can.
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: All right, final question on a lighter note, and loop
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: back Sports. Got the National Championship football game coming up here?
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: You picking who's gonna win and what's the final score
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: going to be?
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna go with Indiana. I gotta go. I'm
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: gonna go with Nia.
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: So good.
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with the Hoosiers. I coached in Evansville,
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: Indiana for nine years. It's just an amazing story. I
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: like Crystal Ball a lot, though. I like what he's
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: done for Miami. I got more friends in Miami than
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: I do in Indiana. But I'm going to.
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: Make you pick.
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: You know yet, twenty eight twenty four Indiana twenty eight close.
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: I think we'll be close.
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: Guiding.
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going thirty eight to ten. Wow. Yeah, I
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: think it's gonna be a blowout. I think I think
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: Miami's just gonna get smoked.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: But by the way, I want to make a request
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: to all our Verdict listeners. So I had a wager
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: yesterday on the Texan Steelers game. Yeah, I had a
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: wager with John Fetterman and Dave McCormick. I proposed the
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: wager I proposed, and this is a sports wager I
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: make with some frequency, which is the loser presents. Like
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: what I offered up was Texas barbecue, Bluebell ice cream
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: and Shiner Bock beer, and you present it in the
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: Winter's jersey and Fetterman and Dave's a really good friend
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: and John's become a good friend. Fetterman wanted to ratchet
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: it up.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: What do you say?
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: So he said, no, no, no, I want worse, he said.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: He said, when you lose.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: I like it right there.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: He said, you will walk onto the Senate floor And
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: he went and bought wearing a Steeler's beanie and this
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: giant piece of bling that says Steelers that's I don't
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: know about. Yeah, ten inches wide, this giant like an
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: old chain. Walk onto the Senate floor and cast a boat. Yeah,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: you can bring the barbecue stuff if you gotta walk on. Yeah,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: And he tweeted out a picture of the horrible beanie
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: and the Steelers bling, and and and so I will
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: say we won thirty to six.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, it was a beat down.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: It was. And by the way, I grew up as
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: a Houston fan. There's no team on Earth like the
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: Steelers that caused Houston fans to twitch because in the
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: seventies we had the greatest team we ever had, the Oilers.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: We had Earl Campbell, and we ran in to one
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: of the greatest teams to ever play in this seventy
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: nine and eighty ASC Championship rushing and so last night
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: was revenge.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: So does he have to wear like a Houston beanie?
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  Speaker 3: So my question, and this is this is actually a
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  Speaker 3: request to all our social media followers.
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  Speaker 2: Your vote matters.
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  Speaker 3: Folks post on on X what horribly tacky Texans bling
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  Speaker 3: do we have? I should make Fetterman and McCormick wear
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  Speaker 3: they've already said they're gonna wear it. But but.
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  Speaker 1: Rapper, I just want him to look like a rapper
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  Speaker 1: because he's kind of you know, he can get free.
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  Speaker 3: F given what they picked, I gotta be be a
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  Speaker 3: little over the top.
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  Speaker 2: I'd make Feeder wmen wear a suit because put him
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  Speaker 2: with a hoodie something different.
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  Speaker 3: I gave them both grief today and they both said, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we'll wear it. We'll wear it, Will Will Pennsylvania, will
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  Speaker 3: otter it and and so so I'm looking forward to collecting.
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  Speaker 2: We need more senators like John Fetterman. You need more America.
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  Speaker 1: He's courageous and the biggest surprise and sent his party
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  Speaker 1: hates him for it, they do. Thanks for coming on.
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