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Civil War Breaks Out btw Biden & the Democratic Party · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 1: So as I come on here right now, the big
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Speaker 1: question that everybody is asking is is Joe Biden going home?
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Speaker 1: Is he going to go back to Delaware? Is he
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Speaker 1: going to just drop out of the race. I want
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Speaker 1: to be clear, I don't think he's going to drop out.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of reporting right now saying that the
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Speaker 1: President is thinking about dropping out. The Democrats are saying
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Speaker 1: he's got to drop out. They're losing their minds on TV.
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Speaker 1: The media is united against him getting out. The Democratic
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Speaker 1: leadership is united behind getting him out. And Biden met
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Speaker 1: with Democratic governors and the polls show that he is
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Speaker 1: slipping in his support.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: President Biden huddled with a group of more than twenty
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Speaker 1: Democratic governors in an attempt to stabilize a standing among
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Speaker 1: his party's leaders. All right, The President was said to
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Speaker 1: be mowing the future of his candency with key allies,
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Speaker 1: and a new poll show that Donald Trump had a
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Speaker 1: widen lead over Joe Biden after the debate disaster. Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump now leads President Biden forty nine to forty three
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Speaker 1: percent among likely voters nationally. A new poll shows I
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Speaker 1: don't care about national polls that much, because yes, it
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Speaker 1: shows your trend, but it does a meanything because this
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Speaker 1: all comes down to the electoral College.
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Speaker 2: So I look at swing states.
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Speaker 1: What I know right now is the president of the
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Speaker 1: United States of America, Joe Biden is behind Donald Trump
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Speaker 1: in every single swing state. Now in Michigan, Joe Biden
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Speaker 1: sought to reassure Democrats that her husband was up to
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Speaker 1: the job. Not all there were convinced either. As we
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Speaker 1: are going through this, as they're trying to convince everybody
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Speaker 1: before July fourth holiday that everything is going to be
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Speaker 1: just fine. Congressional Democrats have also now become cautious when
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Speaker 1: defending President Biden's ability to serve and also win reelection
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Speaker 1: because they're afraid because all of them on the House
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Speaker 1: side are up for reelection right every two years. They're
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Speaker 1: that Joe Biden may make them lose some of their seats.
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Speaker 1: And then the question is who would be the front
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Speaker 1: runner right now if it Joe Biden does step aside.
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Speaker 1: I think it's no doubt right now that the front
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Speaker 1: runner is Kamala Harris. Why because she's the only one
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Speaker 1: that could actually use the money that's been raised for
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Speaker 1: the Biden Harris campaign, and it seems very problematic for
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Speaker 1: someone to come in with no war chest and have
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Speaker 1: to start at zero. Kamala Harris would start with the
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Speaker 1: same amount of money that is in their bank account
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Speaker 1: right now. Harris is also growing the support on social
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Speaker 1: media among Democrats because I think they also understand that
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Speaker 1: the campaign is up and running. They don't have to
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Speaker 1: start something new, and they don't have to start raising
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Speaker 1: money from scratch. So you combine all of those things.
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Speaker 2: Now listen to this.
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Speaker 1: Tim Waltz, Governor, walking out of this meeting at the
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Speaker 1: White House about eight o'clock on July third, and this
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Speaker 1: is what he said to the American people.
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Speaker 2: Doc, thank you, SPID for office, Yes, FIP for office.
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Speaker 3: President as three and a half, three and a half
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Speaker 3: years of delivering for us, going through what we've all
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Speaker 3: been through. None of us are denying Thursday night was
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Speaker 3: a bad performance.
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Speaker 2: It was a bad Uh. It was a bad.
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Speaker 3: Hit if you will on that. But it doesn't impact
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Speaker 3: what I believe he's delivering.
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Speaker 4: No, I always say this.
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Speaker 2: In November, we've got a clear choice.
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Speaker 4: The President was very clear that he is in this
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Speaker 4: to win this, and the president is going to President
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Speaker 4: is our nominee, the president is our party leader. And
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Speaker 4: the President has told us, and he was very clear
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Speaker 4: back there that he is in this to winness. And
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Speaker 4: so for people, I would say and listen, we're governors.
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Speaker 4: We don't do handering. That's not what we do. Governor's
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Speaker 4: working get things done. Governors say, tell me the objective,
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Speaker 4: and we're going to make sure that we accomplish the objective.
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Speaker 4: And so for people who who who are who are concerned,
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Speaker 4: I just want to be very clear on something. And
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Speaker 4: come November, we've got a binary choice, and the binary
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Speaker 4: choices between someone who has continually delivered for us in
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Speaker 4: our states and the people of our states, and frankly,
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Speaker 4: someone who's vision for the future of this country is
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Speaker 4: downright dangerous. And so I would tell people it is
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Speaker 4: time to mount up, and it is time to get
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Speaker 4: serious and understands. Did the President explain that his debated
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Speaker 4: copies to you on Thursday night?
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Speaker 2: Did he understand the states?
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Speaker 4: Did he speaking?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he did. He said, Look he didn't he listened.
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Speaker 2: He didn't listen to himself.
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Speaker 5: And I thought he gave a great example when he said, look,
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Speaker 5: I'm worrying about numbers on this.
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Speaker 2: It's about people. It's about their lives.
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Speaker 5: This is Joe from Scranton. He talks about building the
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Speaker 5: middle class. He did it, he delivered. And I think
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Speaker 5: this idea that you get in your own head, you
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Speaker 5: get a little bit cycled up on that.
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Speaker 2: What we saw it in there today was a guy who.
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Speaker 3: Was the guy that all of us believed in the
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Speaker 3: first time who could beat Donald Trump and did beat Donald.
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Speaker 6: Trump with.
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Speaker 2: That thank you, and they rushed off.
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Speaker 1: Now those Democratic governors that went before that microphone are
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Speaker 1: saying in a very united front, he is still our guy.
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Speaker 1: On TV, however, the Democrats on TV are saying something
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Speaker 1: very very different. We have a second House Democrat that
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Speaker 1: is now calling on Biden to drop out of the
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four race publicly. Then a third came forward,
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Speaker 1: Representative Moulton, saying, I have grave concerns that Biden can
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Speaker 1: beat Trump. So it's not even about the cognitive decline.
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Speaker 1: It's about, Hey, if this guy's going to lose, he
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Speaker 1: may make some of us lose. So we're going to
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Speaker 1: bail on him selfishly because now we no longer like him.
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Speaker 1: And I want you to hear what CNN said. A
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Speaker 1: bunch of Democrats on there and they're talking about this.
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Speaker 7: Listen, thoughts are because I've heard that message for months,
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Speaker 7: right that look at the record, and if he just
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Speaker 7: articulates the record, that will show in the numbers.
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Speaker 2: But it hasn't.
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Speaker 7: It hasn't shown in the numbers, and those numbers are
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Speaker 7: getting worse, and he didn't show an ability to make
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Speaker 7: that case aggressively in the debates, So I wonder where
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Speaker 7: that leaves us in your view.
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Speaker 2: Look, I'm just going to be honest.
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Speaker 8: I mean, everybody comes on the air and says all
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Speaker 8: this great stuff, but behind the scenes it's.
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Speaker 2: Full skill panic.
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Speaker 8: People are passing around legal memos, PDFs are flying back
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Speaker 8: and forth on WhatsApp trying to figure out what are
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Speaker 8: the options. How can you replace Biden? How do you
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Speaker 8: get him to do it in a way where he
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Speaker 8: feels respected as he should be respected. Who should Kamala
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Speaker 8: Harris's vice president be. The conversation on air and the
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Speaker 8: conversation off air are completely different. And so it's the
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Speaker 8: same thing with you saw with the Trump situation where
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Speaker 8: people would come on air and defend Trump and then
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Speaker 8: you talk to people and then we got a crazy candidate.
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Speaker 8: We don't have a crazy candidate. We have a great candidate.
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Speaker 8: We have a beautiful man. We have someone who loves
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Speaker 8: this country. We have someone who has given his all,
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Speaker 8: I mean his all to the last drop for this country.
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Speaker 8: But he may not be able to get across.
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Speaker 2: The finish line.
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Speaker 8: And a mature party has to take that into account,
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Speaker 8: and that is what's happening. And so look, I understand
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Speaker 8: people want to, you know, to defend them and protect
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Speaker 8: him and give him their space and the dignity to
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Speaker 8: make his own choice. But there is a big conversation
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Speaker 8: happening right now about how this happens, not.
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Speaker 2: Weather, How this happens not weather.
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Speaker 1: You notice how now, all of a sudden this has
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Speaker 1: started to really change the dynamic. Here they're saying, I
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Speaker 1: want to get rid of him, and I want to
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Speaker 1: get rid of him right now, and he has to
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Speaker 1: understand that it's time for us to get rid of him,
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Speaker 1: and we need him to go away, and we need
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Speaker 1: him to do it in a responsible manner, and we're
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Speaker 1: going to push him. Then you have those the White
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Speaker 1: House who are saying, well, maybe he doesn't need to go,
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Speaker 1: maybe it's too hard. And then the question is does Harris.
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Speaker 1: If Harris is the one that's going to get everything right,
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Speaker 1: like all the money and she becomes a candidate, does
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Speaker 1: she have a better chance against Donald Trump? That is
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Speaker 1: a fair question that also needs to be asked now.
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Speaker 1: By the way, on a side note, the White House
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Speaker 1: is not helping Okay, the White House is not doing
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Speaker 1: a very good job of helping at all, right now,
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Speaker 1: when they're asked basic questions. Listen to White House Press
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Speaker 1: Secretary being asked about the new excuse that Joe Biden
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Speaker 1: suffered from jetlag and that's why he didn't do well
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Speaker 1: at the last debate.
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Speaker 2: Thank you.
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Speaker 9: There's no question that international travel can be rigorous. I
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Speaker 9: think the confusion is that he's still suffering from the
10:21
Speaker 9: effects of.
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Speaker 2: That nearly two weeks later.
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Speaker 10: So he articulated a little bit about, like, do you
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Speaker 10: guys usually have accommodations for him after he does a trip,
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Speaker 10: that he's going to have jet lag for that long
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Speaker 10: a period of time.
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Speaker 6: So can you can you when you say two weeks later,
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Speaker 6: what do you.
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Speaker 2: Mean the debate?
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Speaker 9: He arrives back in the United States twelve or thirteen
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Speaker 9: days before the debate, So his explanation for a for
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Speaker 9: debate performance is jetlag.
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Speaker 6: So what I want to say is it's the jetlag
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Speaker 6: and also the cold, right. It is the two things,
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Speaker 6: and that occurred, and you all heard it in his
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Speaker 6: voice when he did the debate, right, and it is
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Speaker 6: even something that we shared ahead of time. You heard
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Speaker 6: it in his voice, and we confirmed it, and I
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Speaker 6: think that's important to note as well, like it is
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Speaker 6: the jet lag and the cold. But I want to
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Speaker 6: be really I want to be really clear here. This
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Speaker 6: is not an excuse, right, This is not an excuse.
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Speaker 6: You all asked for an explanation, and we get we're
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Speaker 6: giving it an explanation.
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Speaker 2: It is not an excuse.
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Speaker 6: I don't want that to be the leading piece of
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Speaker 6: this ask for the only reason we're sharing this because
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Speaker 6: it was asked of me here and the President certainly
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Speaker 6: wanted to give an explanation himself, and that's what he
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Speaker 6: did yesterday. We want to We understand that it wasn't
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Speaker 6: his best night.
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Speaker 2: It wasn't a great debate.
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Speaker 6: We understand that, and we understand what supporters saw, what
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Speaker 6: the American people saw, and what you all saw, and
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Speaker 6: so we wanted to give an explanation. So I don't
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Speaker 6: want to get into this or are you giving this excuse?
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Speaker 2: Not an excuse, We're giving you.
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Speaker 6: What our explanation was. We want to continue to make
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Speaker 6: sure that we do everything that we can to deliver
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Speaker 6: the American people. That's what we're going to continue to do.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is one of those when you just
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Speaker 1: gotta laugh. Joe Biden. They're saying, the reason why I
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Speaker 1: had a bad debate is because he suffered from jetlag,
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Speaker 1: and that would have been fourteen days before the debate,
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Speaker 1: two weeks before the debate. They're saying, well, we had jetlag,
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Speaker 1: and so therefore that's why I had a bad night
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Speaker 1: is because of the jet lag from two weeks prior vacation.
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Speaker 1: But we're not making excuses. If I was Joe Biden,
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Speaker 1: by the way, I'd be firing the White House pres
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Speaker 1: secretary right now because she's only making you look like
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Speaker 1: you're more incompetent. The fallout from the debate this past
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Speaker 1: week continues, and there are a lot of people that
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Speaker 1: have been asking me what is going to happen, and
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of different scenarios. So I'm going to
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Speaker 1: break it down for you so you understand exactly what
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Speaker 1: could happen here.
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Speaker 2: After what was.
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Speaker 1: Described by Reuters as the president's quote shaky performance at
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Speaker 1: the debate with Donald Trump on Thursday night, Democrats then
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Speaker 1: began to openly question whether he should be replaced as
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Speaker 1: a candidate for the twenty twenty four election. There is
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Speaker 1: a process for doing so, but to be very clear,
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Speaker 1: so everyone understands that process it's going to be extremely messy.
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Speaker 2: The other question is how does it work.
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Speaker 1: Reuters spoke with a senior fellow at the Brookings It's
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Speaker 1: two think tank, a Democratic National Committee member and the
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Speaker 1: author of the book Primary Politics about the presidential nominating process,
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Speaker 1: and they asked the question that everyone's asking, how would
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Speaker 1: it work? So what options do the Democrats have. Let's
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Speaker 1: start with that the Democratic Party has had no real
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Speaker 1: plan b for Biden.
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Speaker 2: As its presidential candidate.
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Speaker 1: He ran virtually unopposed for the party's presidential nomination. They
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Speaker 1: decided that they decided to basically shut everybody out, tell
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Speaker 1: everybody not to run against him in a primary. He
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Speaker 1: will not be nominated officially, however, until later this summer
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Speaker 1: at the Democratic National Convention. So the reality is, yes,
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Speaker 1: there is still time to make a change. And then
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Speaker 1: that's where the handful, yeah, not one or two, but
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Speaker 1: a handful of scenarios become possible realities. Now here's the
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Speaker 1: easiest path to replace Joe Biden. So you understand, Biden
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Speaker 1: could just decide by himself. And as you know, there's
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Speaker 1: reports that he's having a meeting with his closest advisors
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Speaker 1: and his family Sunday right had this big meeting that
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Speaker 1: they put out to decide and to talk about the
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Speaker 1: future of the campaign. There could be and we're hearing
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Speaker 1: that quote the money has dried up, people are not
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Speaker 1: willing to give. They also are gonna be looking at
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Speaker 1: polling and internal polling numbers decide is there a pathway
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Speaker 1: for the president and not just a pathway, but is
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Speaker 1: there a way that they could turn this ship around
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Speaker 1: after the dismal performance. Now, I will say this to
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Speaker 1: be clear, Joe Biden and the team made sure that
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Speaker 1: Joe Biden was out there right after these debates and
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Speaker 1: not into hiding like he usually is. I've seen more
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Speaker 1: of Joe Biden in the past week than I have
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Speaker 1: seen probably in the last six months.
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Speaker 2: Joe Biden is out.
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Speaker 1: There, and they're treating him like he is a candidate
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Speaker 1: right now running for office. Now he may actually have
15:42
Speaker 1: to be a real candidate now, not just kind of
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Speaker 1: show up here and there. He's gonna have to go
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Speaker 1: full speed ahead and look at a lot of donors
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Speaker 1: in the eyes, and meet with a lot of people
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Speaker 1: and ask for a lot of favors. He's not gonna
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Speaker 1: be able to just do this by sitting at the
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Speaker 1: White House, taking naps and working a noon to or schedule.
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Speaker 1: So again, Biden could just straight up decide himself, I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna step.
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Speaker 2: Aside before I'm nominated at the convention.
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Speaker 1: He could be challenged by the way by others who
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Speaker 1: try to win over the delegates that he has accrued,
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Speaker 1: and that would be basically like a coup attempt by
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Speaker 1: the Democratic Party internally. Or he could withdraw after the
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Speaker 1: Democratic conventions in Chicago in August, leaving the Democratic National
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Speaker 1: Committee to elect someone.
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Speaker 2: To run against Trump in his place.
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Speaker 1: So those are the real scenarios that are at play here.
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Speaker 1: So the next question is obviously this what happens next? Well,
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Speaker 1: right now, the process largely depends on Joe Biden. So
16:45
Speaker 1: what I would say is, it doesn't really matter what
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Speaker 1: any of the Democrats say.
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Speaker 2: It's gonna be up to Joe Biden.
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Speaker 1: Now he would have to agree to step down or
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Speaker 1: face a challenger this late in the process. He would
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Speaker 1: then try to force him to then basically get out
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Speaker 1: of the race. Biden and the team around him so
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Speaker 1: far have shown zero indications except for this meeting with
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Speaker 1: a family and that could just be to say, hey,
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Speaker 1: we met, we decided we're going to stick in this thing.
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Speaker 1: But we had a serious meeting to placate some Democrats.
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Speaker 2: That are losing their minds.
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Speaker 1: But in reality, every signal is going to Joe Biden
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Speaker 1: is not wanting to step aside, and no opponents have
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Speaker 1: said they would come and challenge him directly at the convention.
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Speaker 1: In fact, there haven't even been leaks of those types
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Speaker 1: of conversations. So that should also tell you something. Now
17:37
Speaker 1: you got to ask yourself then this question, who would
17:40
Speaker 1: even his top political opponents in the Democratic Party is
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Speaker 1: potential replacements be whether and I'm not rooting for these people,
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Speaker 1: I'm just telling you the reality. Number one would be
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Speaker 1: Vice President Kamala Harris. Because she is the vice president,
17:58
Speaker 1: she's second in line, she's already running with him. It
18:01
Speaker 1: would make sense that Kamwa Harris would be the nominee.
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Speaker 1: The problem is she's hated by many Democrats and the
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Speaker 1: polling numbers for her are absolutely dismal. So again she's
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Speaker 1: number one in theory on paper. Then number two would
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Speaker 1: obviously be California Governor Gavin Newsom. The problem with Gavin
18:23
Speaker 1: Newsom is you would be basically replacing an African American
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Speaker 1: woman with a white, rich dude from California. I don't
18:31
Speaker 1: know how that's going to go over with minority voters,
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Speaker 1: specifically African Americans and women in the Democratic Party. That's
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Speaker 1: number two now, Gavin Newsom, just to be clear, and
18:45
Speaker 1: some would say this was him being a good soldier,
18:48
Speaker 1: but he spoke passionately in his defense after the debate,
18:53
Speaker 1: serving as a surrogate role and showcasing his support. Now
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Speaker 1: he also, I think looked really good to Democrats. It
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Speaker 1: saw him because he contrasted what Joe Biden had just
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Speaker 1: done on stage.
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Speaker 2: And was faltering.
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Speaker 1: So one looks crisp and clean and new and energetic
19:11
Speaker 1: in Newsome, and the other looks old SENI island Well,
19:15
Speaker 1: I mean lost his dead gumb mine. Now here's the
19:18
Speaker 1: other question. What happens if Joe Biden steps down? He
19:23
Speaker 1: just comes out and says, all right, I'm out. It's
19:28
Speaker 1: a fair question.
19:30
Speaker 2: The answer.
19:31
Speaker 1: Biden has spent the last several months accruing about four
19:35
Speaker 1: thousand Democratic delegates by winning primary elections in US states
19:40
Speaker 1: and territories. Those delegates would normally vote for him, but
19:45
Speaker 1: the rules do not bind or force them to do so.
19:49
Speaker 1: Delegates of the convention can vote with their conscience, which
19:52
Speaker 1: means they can throw their vote to someone else. So
19:55
Speaker 1: if Biden says, hey, I'm releasing the delegates. Okay, all
20:00
Speaker 1: four thousand plus of you, I'm releasing you, and I'm
20:04
Speaker 1: gonna release you, and you get to step I'm gonna
20:07
Speaker 1: step aside, then there could be a throwdown competition among
20:13
Speaker 1: other Democratic candidates become the nominee. In theory, at the
20:16
Speaker 1: Democratic Convention, that would play out like a movie. That
20:19
Speaker 1: could be good or bad for the Democrats, depending on
20:21
Speaker 1: if they do it well. If there's a grand debate,
20:24
Speaker 1: it could help the person coming out of there, or
20:25
Speaker 1: it could completely divide the Democratic Party and ruin their
20:29
Speaker 1: chances come November. It's a very risky game, so that
20:34
Speaker 1: would be the easiest, easiest path. Biden releases the delegates,
20:39
Speaker 1: so I'm stepping aside, and there could be a coronation.
20:43
Speaker 1: They could say it's gonna be Kamla and that could
20:46
Speaker 1: be the end of that, or they could say it's
20:47
Speaker 1: gonna be Gavin Newsom, or there could be an all
20:50
Speaker 1: out war. But ultimately it's gonna come down to Biden.
20:54
Speaker 1: In that scenario, who would replace Joe Biden. Several candidates
21:02
Speaker 1: could step into the fray. There is obviously no number one.
21:07
Speaker 1: Kama Harris would be in theory the number one. I
21:09
Speaker 1: mentioned that a moment ago, but she doesn't really She's
21:12
Speaker 1: not really number one because people.
21:13
Speaker 2: Don't really like her.
21:16
Speaker 1: And so Harris would almost certainly be at the top
21:19
Speaker 1: of the list just because she's the vice president. It's
21:21
Speaker 1: the natural progression of power and the Democratic Party when
21:25
Speaker 1: they ran, it's like, well, she would be a great
21:27
Speaker 1: vice president in case thing happened in the president right,
21:30
Speaker 1: like it's all there on paper. But she's got her
21:34
Speaker 1: own problems. She's got her own problems at a rocky start.
21:39
Speaker 1: She can't keep people around to work for her. That's
21:41
Speaker 1: another problem. She apparently is impossible to work for the Democrats.
21:46
Speaker 1: Insiders can't stand her and how much of a diva
21:49
Speaker 1: she is, and that's putting it nicely.
21:52
Speaker 2: The turnover in her staff is just horrendous.
21:54
Speaker 1: It's basically like, you get a job working for it's
21:56
Speaker 1: like congratulations if you started sitting out resumes. Yet it's
21:59
Speaker 1: almost like you go to get a job with Kamwa
22:01
Speaker 1: and then you immediately start looking for your next job,
22:03
Speaker 1: because you know you're going to want to die if
22:06
Speaker 1: you don't get out of there quickly. Now, let's also
22:11
Speaker 1: talk about what the US Constitution says.
22:14
Speaker 2: All right, this is important.
22:16
Speaker 1: The US Constitution dictates the vice president become president if
22:20
Speaker 1: the president dies.
22:23
Speaker 2: Or becomes incapacitated.
22:25
Speaker 1: But it is not way in on an inner party
22:29
Speaker 1: process for choosing a nominee at the convention.
22:32
Speaker 2: That's why I say it's open season.
22:34
Speaker 1: So let's go through the list, because it is bigger
22:36
Speaker 1: than Kamala Harris. Right on that list, California governor news
22:40
Speaker 1: from that would be I think probably the top of
22:42
Speaker 1: the list, Michigan governor because a lot of people say
22:46
Speaker 1: they want a woman. By golly, they thought it was
22:48
Speaker 1: gonna be Hillary Clinton, break that glass ceiling and feminists
22:50
Speaker 1: out there right So Michigan Governor, Gretchen Whitmer, Kentucky Governor
22:56
Speaker 1: Andy Masher, Illinois governor it's j is it in it?
23:01
Speaker 2: JB? Yes? JB. Pritz KERR.
23:05
Speaker 1: They've all been pushed on social media by Democrats as
23:08
Speaker 1: possible replacements. Now they are Biden supporters and campaign surrogates
23:15
Speaker 1: who are working to help get them elected in theory
23:18
Speaker 1: until the debate happened this week, and then maybe they
23:21
Speaker 1: were like, all right, I need to start looking out
23:22
Speaker 1: for my own best interest, not his anymore. And so
23:26
Speaker 1: they may be working the phones behind the scenes. Now
23:29
Speaker 1: the next question that people ask is this, So, how
23:32
Speaker 1: would a nominee be chosen?
23:34
Speaker 2: It's a great question. This is how it's going to work.
23:37
Speaker 1: There would likely be a free for all of sorts
23:40
Speaker 1: between the Democratic heavyweights that were vying for the job.
23:44
Speaker 1: Candidates would have to get signatures from six hundred convention
23:50
Speaker 1: delegates to be nominated. They're expected to be about four
23:55
Speaker 1: six and seventy two delegates at the Democratic Convention for
23:59
Speaker 1: this year. They're including three thousand, nine and thirty three
24:04
Speaker 1: pledge delegates in seven hundred and thirty nine automatic or
24:08
Speaker 1: super delegates. This is according to the latest numbers that
24:11
Speaker 1: we have. So you got to even get on the ballot.
24:15
Speaker 1: If Biden was a step down, you'd got it. You'd
24:19
Speaker 1: have to go to the convention, you'd have to suck
24:21
Speaker 1: up to a bunch of people, and you'd have to
24:23
Speaker 1: get at least six hundred signatures to be nominated. Now,
24:26
Speaker 1: once you're nominated, you're still short of the majority, right,
24:29
Speaker 1: you just need six hundred to get in the game.
24:32
Speaker 1: I think most of these people will be able to
24:34
Speaker 1: pull that off, Like Gavin NEOs would be able to
24:35
Speaker 1: get a lot of those just from California alone. Michigan
24:38
Speaker 1: Governor Whitman would be able to get a lot from her.
24:40
Speaker 1: Kentucky governor, same thing, Illinois governor, same thing. So you'd
24:43
Speaker 1: go to your home state first and go, hey, nominate me.
24:46
Speaker 1: I need all your signatures, and then you'd find enough.
24:49
Speaker 1: So there's it wouldn't be shocking if all of these
24:52
Speaker 1: people got a shot at it. In theory, it doesn't
24:54
Speaker 1: mean you're gonna get close to the number needed of
24:56
Speaker 1: delegates actually get the nomination at the convention. Now here's
25:01
Speaker 1: the other part that's very important. So you know how
25:03
Speaker 1: this works. If no one gets a majority of the delegates,
25:08
Speaker 1: then there would be a.
25:09
Speaker 2: Quote broker convention. You may have heard brokered convention.
25:13
Speaker 1: It was something talked about in twenty sixteen a lot
25:15
Speaker 1: when Donald Trump they were talking about the possibility of
25:18
Speaker 1: a brokered convention in Cleveland.
25:20
Speaker 2: I was there for that when it was going on.
25:21
Speaker 2: It was insane. Now, what is a brokered convention?
25:26
Speaker 1: It is in which the delegates act as in essence,
25:29
Speaker 1: free agents and negotiate with a party leadership to come
25:34
Speaker 1: up with a nominee. Now, there's a lot of backscratching
25:38
Speaker 1: and corruption you could call it, that goes on when
25:40
Speaker 1: that happens, right, Like, there's a delegates really important, and
25:43
Speaker 1: then what happens is some people they will team up
25:46
Speaker 1: with a and become like a group like Latino delegates
25:48
Speaker 1: or African American delegates or delegates from New York or
25:51
Speaker 1: delegates from California. Why because there's power numbers. And then
25:55
Speaker 1: it comes down to the bigger issue of hey, what
25:58
Speaker 1: do I get in return? Because I'm now way more
26:02
Speaker 1: important to you than winning a state on Super Tuesday
26:05
Speaker 1: for example. Like think about the power these four thousand,
26:10
Speaker 1: six hundred and seventy two delegates have if some of
26:13
Speaker 1: them start teaming up into voting box, right, Well, I
26:17
Speaker 1: mean there's people that could literally say, hey, if you
26:19
Speaker 1: get if we give this to you, I want a
26:22
Speaker 1: job at the White House or at the DD or
26:24
Speaker 1: the FBI or the DJ whatever it may be, right,
26:28
Speaker 1: I want to There's and there's leaders within the group
26:32
Speaker 1: that may bring that group together and what they may
26:35
Speaker 1: do is. They may say, Hey, I want to be
26:37
Speaker 1: an ambassador to I don't know, like some amazing country
26:41
Speaker 1: you know where I can just go hang out. I
26:42
Speaker 1: want to go be a you know, open up a
26:45
Speaker 1: consulate somewhere. For example, if I bring you fifteen votes
26:49
Speaker 1: or thirty votes or sixty three votes, right, delegates, what
26:52
Speaker 1: do I get in return for that?
26:54
Speaker 3: Right?
26:54
Speaker 1: I've heard being the ambassador of Bermuda is really nice.
26:58
Speaker 1: Would love to be an ambassador to a really chill
27:00
Speaker 1: country for example. Now, if no one gets the majority
27:05
Speaker 1: of the delegates, then you have the broker convention.
27:07
Speaker 2: Everybody's a free agents.
27:09
Speaker 1: Now the rules would be established, by the way, and
27:12
Speaker 1: there would be a rogue call vote for the names
27:14
Speaker 1: placed into the nomination process at the convention.
27:18
Speaker 2: And this gets insane.
27:21
Speaker 1: Why because it could take many rounds of voting for
27:24
Speaker 1: someone to get a majority and become the nominating I
27:27
Speaker 1: remember the House speakership fight that we had recently and
27:30
Speaker 1: how crazy that got. That would look mild in comparison
27:35
Speaker 1: to a broker convention. At the Democratic convention, it would
27:41
Speaker 1: be insane. I've been to several, as I've covered and
27:46
Speaker 1: had to commentate Democrat conventions Okay, I've never enjoyed going
27:51
Speaker 1: to the Democrat convention because obviously I'm an outsider and
27:54
Speaker 1: they hate me because I'm a hardcore conservative. But I've gone,
27:58
Speaker 1: and I can tell you if there's a broken convention,
28:00
Speaker 1: I actually wish I was going. I have no plans
28:03
Speaker 1: to be a Democratic convention this year, but I'd actually
28:05
Speaker 1: regret not going and saying, all right, I want to
28:07
Speaker 1: go and now do TV from there and radio from there,
28:10
Speaker 1: because it's going to be so insane now it could
28:15
Speaker 1: take several rounds. The next question is, hey, when was
28:18
Speaker 1: the last broker convention? Well, the last broker convention when
28:23
Speaker 1: Democrats failed to nominate a candidate on.
28:25
Speaker 2: The first ballot was all the way back.
28:28
Speaker 1: In nineteen fifty two, So it's been a long time, folks,
28:34
Speaker 1: since this has happened. The other question I get asked
28:37
Speaker 1: is this what happens if Biden steps down after the convention,
28:41
Speaker 1: not before. If Biden steps down after the August convention,
28:47
Speaker 1: the four hundred and thirty five members of the Democratic
28:51
Speaker 1: National Committee would then choose a new candidate. Every one
28:55
Speaker 1: of them becomes very powerful, very quickly, and the same
28:58
Speaker 1: thing that I would expect to happen at the convention
29:00
Speaker 1: with the delegates, would happen within these members of the
29:04
Speaker 1: Democratic National Committee, because there's going to be a lot
29:08
Speaker 1: of those conversations what do I get? Right, hey, Gavin,
29:12
Speaker 1: you want my vote? What do I get? Because this
29:15
Speaker 1: is all about power. If you're a member of the
29:18
Speaker 1: Democratic National Committee, you're doing it for personal gain.
29:24
Speaker 2: You're not doing it for like service to your country.
29:27
Speaker 1: Right, You're you clearly are are somebody that wants to
29:30
Speaker 1: be involved in the Democratic Party and you want to
29:33
Speaker 1: be powerful, and that's why you're a member.
29:37
Speaker 2: Well, this is what would happen.
29:39
Speaker 1: The members would all get together, four hundred and thirty
29:41
Speaker 1: five of them, and they would meet in a special
29:44
Speaker 1: session and then they would select who the nominee would be.
29:49
Speaker 1: Since it was after the convention, so all those delegates
29:53
Speaker 1: of the convention basically would lose all of their power.
29:56
Speaker 2: Right, so their leverage is only.
29:58
Speaker 1: Good up until the end of the convention, and once the
30:00
Speaker 1: convention's over, it's game over.
30:03
Speaker 2: Now.
30:03
Speaker 1: You may say, all right, well, then who the hell
30:05
Speaker 1: are these four hundred and thirty five Democratic National Committee members. Well,
30:09
Speaker 1: the answer simple, They are divided quote equally between men
30:14
Speaker 1: and women.
30:14
Speaker 2: Because Democratic Party is everything.
30:16
Speaker 1: That way, right, as well as various constituency groups including
30:22
Speaker 1: labor unions and their leaders, lgbt QIA plus plus plus
30:29
Speaker 1: plus plus representatives, and racial minorities now other totals. Seventy
30:37
Speaker 1: five of these four hundred and thirty five DNC members
30:39
Speaker 1: are appointed at large by the chair, while the rest
30:43
Speaker 1: are elected in their respective states. So the argument would be, hey,
30:48
Speaker 1: we have representation from every state in America and the
30:51
Speaker 1: Democratic you know committee, we all are here, Let's decide
30:55
Speaker 1: who our nominees going to be.
30:58
Speaker 2: Now, who could nominate an alternative? In that case? Is
31:02
Speaker 2: the next question?
31:03
Speaker 6: Right?
31:03
Speaker 1: If there's a big fight, well, to nominate a candidate
31:07
Speaker 1: to replace Biden on the ballot, this is what has
31:10
Speaker 1: to happen.
31:11
Speaker 2: Number one, The person would have to have the support of.
31:13
Speaker 1: A minimum number of Democratic National Committee members. That number
31:19
Speaker 1: and this is a guest because the number can change,
31:22
Speaker 1: but it's going to be somewhere around at.
31:23
Speaker 2: Least sixty of the four thirty five.
31:27
Speaker 1: The exact number would be determined, by the way, by
31:30
Speaker 1: the DNC's Rules Committee, which would lay out the rules
31:33
Speaker 1: for the proceedings before they started. So there's a lot
31:36
Speaker 1: of just insanity that could happen even there, but the
31:39
Speaker 1: number that most people believe would be around the.
31:41
Speaker 2: Number would be around sixty.
31:43
Speaker 1: There would likely be nominating speeches by anyone that was
31:49
Speaker 1: going to be nominated, and then seconding speeches by people
31:53
Speaker 1: that why they're nominating the person. Now, multiple candidates, by
31:57
Speaker 1: the way, could be nominated before the list is what
31:59
Speaker 1: will down to the real front runners? I think we
32:02
Speaker 1: all know who's going to be on that short list.
32:05
Speaker 1: And then the other question is, all right, so if
32:07
Speaker 1: we do that, then how do the votes counted?
32:09
Speaker 2: How does that work?
32:11
Speaker 1: The Democrat National Committee would hold its meeting in Washington,
32:14
Speaker 1: they believe right, based on everything we've been told, and
32:18
Speaker 1: the votes would be counted there. Ballots would be coded,
32:21
Speaker 1: they'd be signed and collected by hand. And by the way,
32:23
Speaker 1: I bet you have to use an ID to make
32:25
Speaker 1: sure you're voting. If not, I'm going to show up
32:28
Speaker 1: just say I'm a committee member and see if I
32:30
Speaker 1: can vote, because remember Democrats don't believe in voter ID voting.
32:33
Speaker 1: But I bet if they're having a Democrat National Committee meeting,
32:36
Speaker 1: you're going to have to show some form of ID
32:38
Speaker 1: before you vote.
32:40
Speaker 2: These are going to be coded, signed, and collected by hand.
32:43
Speaker 1: Now, if a vote were to happen that happened, were
32:47
Speaker 1: to happen very close to election day, then it gets
32:50
Speaker 1: even more crazy. All right, So election day's Imember the fifth,
32:54
Speaker 1: because it would not be possible to meet in person,
32:58
Speaker 1: So then the meeting would actually be viral.
33:01
Speaker 2: So you take everything that I just told you into consideration.
33:06
Speaker 1: And what this sounds like to many is this would
33:09
Speaker 1: be And I'm one of those, it's whether I don't
33:12
Speaker 1: I don't care how many Democratic journalists, Okay, I don't
33:20
Speaker 1: care how many editorial boards demand that Joe Biden set
33:27
Speaker 1: down saying it's time for him to go, that he
33:28
Speaker 1: can't win without.
33:31
Speaker 2: Joe Biden doing it himself and walking away.
33:36
Speaker 1: This thing gets really really nasty, Okay, Like this thing
33:40
Speaker 1: gets nasty, It gets ugly. Not not only does it
33:47
Speaker 1: get ugly, but it but it also I think would
33:52
Speaker 1: divide the party. You'd have a bunch of people screaming race. Okay,
33:58
Speaker 1: you'd have a bunch of people screaming, Kamala Harris deserves
34:03
Speaker 1: this and it's owed this right like that, Like that
34:06
Speaker 1: would be a large part of this. Like they would
34:08
Speaker 1: just say it straight up, like, go, hold on, we
34:10
Speaker 1: are owed this, she's the one. If you don't pick
34:13
Speaker 1: a woman, right then it's I think it could be
34:16
Speaker 1: a huge problem as.
34:18
Speaker 2: Well, like a massive problem.
34:20
Speaker 1: So you know, I look at this and what I
34:24
Speaker 1: see is a whole another level of corruption. The Democratic
34:31
Speaker 1: Party would have an infighting that you couldn't even imagine.
34:36
Speaker 1: And I don't believe it would be a coronation at all. Okay,
34:39
Speaker 1: Like I think this would be a drag out, knock
34:44
Speaker 1: down fight that could divide the party seventeen ways to Sunday.
34:50
Speaker 2: That's just my gut. This would be an ugly, ugly battle.
34:57
Speaker 2: And then you'd have to sew.
34:59
Speaker 1: Up the wound triage the Democratic Party and then try
35:02
Speaker 1: to get them united all behind a candidate. That would
35:07
Speaker 1: be extremely, extremely, extremely tough job.
35:12
Speaker 2: That would be a tough job for anybody.
35:15
Speaker 1: But look, if you're in the if you're a feminist
35:18
Speaker 1: and they pick Gavin Newsom, you're gonna be mad. If
35:22
Speaker 1: you think a woman should be present, you think it
35:24
Speaker 1: should be an African American woman, and you should break
35:26
Speaker 1: that glass ceiling, which the Democratic Party is absolutely obsessed with,
35:29
Speaker 1: right like they are.
35:30
Speaker 2: They're obsessed with that and all of a sudden, it
35:33
Speaker 2: doesn't go to Kamwa.
35:35
Speaker 1: Harris like, I think there's gonna be a lot of
35:37
Speaker 1: African Americans women, specifically the BIC I'm done, like like
35:41
Speaker 1: I'm out, I'm done, I am done with you.
35:46
Speaker 2: I'm gonna Now.
35:47
Speaker 1: Does that mean they're gona vote for Trump? Of course not, Okay.
35:50
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna go vote for Trump. I
35:52
Speaker 1: just think they won't vote. I think they'll just go
35:56
Speaker 1: home or stay home and they'll say I'm done with you, guys.
36:02
Speaker 1: There's also another part right now that's important, and this
36:06
Speaker 1: is the last aspect of this that I'm gonna mention,
36:10
Speaker 1: and that is how much donor fatigue is there right now?
36:15
Speaker 1: How much donor fatigue is there people that have given
36:18
Speaker 1: a lot of money and raised a lot of money
36:21
Speaker 1: and given all this cash to Joe Biden and then
36:24
Speaker 1: you're basically with a new candidate starting all over. So
36:27
Speaker 1: they're going to come running to you, going, we need
36:28
Speaker 1: a bunch of money. Are there going to be a
36:31
Speaker 1: lot of people they're gonna be excited about giving major donations?
36:35
Speaker 6: Right?
36:36
Speaker 1: Is there going to be a lot of Democrats? Like yep, No,
36:38
Speaker 1: I'm in for another half a million. I'm in for
36:41
Speaker 1: another one hundred thousand. You know, these super packs have
36:43
Speaker 1: been raising all this money and advocating for Joe Biden.
36:48
Speaker 2: You're going to start all over.
36:51
Speaker 1: And so when you do, are there going to be
36:54
Speaker 1: a bunch of donors They're willing to go and basically
36:57
Speaker 1: revamp up a new campaign for a new candidate who
37:02
Speaker 1: is in theory way.
37:04
Speaker 2: Behind Donald Trump.
37:07
Speaker 1: You notice I have not mentioned Donald Trump name until
37:09
Speaker 1: now what forty I mean minutes into this thing.
37:13
Speaker 2: That's how good it is.
37:14
Speaker 1: By the way, for Donald Trump, this is so complicated
37:17
Speaker 1: that his name doesn't even come up until forty minutes
37:19
Speaker 1: into the conversation. Okay, that and Democrats know this, which
37:27
Speaker 1: then brings me to my final play. There's a chance
37:31
Speaker 1: that Joe Biden, they could say, let's just try to
37:33
Speaker 1: get him elected, get across the finish line, Let's try
37:37
Speaker 1: to do this thing, and then after we elect him,
37:40
Speaker 1: we'll force him to step down, or the family may
37:43
Speaker 1: say we'll step down. Now, whether you believe them or not,
37:46
Speaker 1: that's a different conversation. Okay, whether you believe them or not,
37:50
Speaker 1: very very very very very very very different conversation.
37:55
Speaker 2: You may not believe them, but that could be their plan.
37:58
Speaker 1: Hey, we'll get him through, we'll try to knock this out,
38:02
Speaker 1: and then maybe he'll resign while in office and the
38:06
Speaker 1: vice president becomes the president. Never underestimate how disgusting and
38:12
Speaker 1: vile these people in the Democratic Party are. You also
38:16
Speaker 1: have to remember their socialists, Communists and Marxists, so they
38:20
Speaker 1: don't really care about like screwing people, Okay, including Joe Biden.
38:26
Speaker 1: And don't think for a moment that Joe Biden doesn't
38:28
Speaker 1: know that either.
38:31
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