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Biden's Immigration Dumpster Fire exit, the Timing of the Israel Ceasefire & Can College Campuses Reverse Course on Antisemitism Week In Review · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome.
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  Speaker 2: It is Verdict with Ted Cruz and our Week in
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  Speaker 2: review Ben Ferguson with you, and we had some major
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  Speaker 2: stories this week. You may have missed them, and I
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  Speaker 2: want to get you up to date. First up, Biden
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  Speaker 2: wants more illegals to come in to this country by
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  Speaker 2: loosening policies before Donald Trump is inaugurated on January the twentieth.
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  Speaker 1: Why is he doing it?
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  Speaker 2: Clearly trying to create an immigration dumpster fire for Donald
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  Speaker 2: Trump and the administration obviously not listening to the American people. Also,
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  Speaker 2: Joe Biden is celebrating the Rose Garden the Israel cease fire. Well,
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  Speaker 2: why did it actually happen? Well, it was because he
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  Speaker 2: abandoned our ally and refused to send the weapons that
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  Speaker 2: Israel needed. And finally, anti Semitism out of control on
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  Speaker 2: college campuses for the last year. So now will things
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  Speaker 2: change and will they reverse course because Trump has become president.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to talk about all of it. It's a
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  Speaker 2: Week in review and it starts right now. There is
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  Speaker 2: like two dumpster fires that seem to be happening simultaneously
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  Speaker 2: with the Biden administration, his team around him, and I
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  Speaker 2: think Americans should be incredibly angry over this for the
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  Speaker 2: fact that they're clearly saying, we know we lost the election,
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  Speaker 2: we know you chose a different path, but we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: stick it to the American people and also stick it
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  Speaker 2: to the Trump administration. Biden has decided, at the very
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  Speaker 2: end of his administration not respecting the voters when one
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  Speaker 2: of their top issues was border security, to loose in
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  Speaker 2: key migrant policies quote unquote right before you go into
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  Speaker 2: December January and until January twentieth, when obviously Donald Trump
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  Speaker 2: would undo all of this.
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  Speaker 3: I think it is absolutely clear that both Biden and
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  Speaker 3: Harris want Trump to fail. They want the problems in
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  Speaker 3: this country to get worse, and they want to make
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  Speaker 3: sure that that Donald Trump inherits the worst stinking pile
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  Speaker 3: of crap possible. So you look at challenges at home
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  Speaker 3: and abroad. At home, the greatest domestic challenge we have
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  Speaker 3: is the open borders that Joe Biden Kamala Harris put
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  Speaker 3: in place. Abroad, the greatest challenge we have are the
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  Speaker 3: wars that are unfolding because of Joe Biden Kamala Harris's weakness. Domestically,
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  Speaker 3: what are they doing well, Apparently neither Biden nor Harris
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  Speaker 3: learned a damn thing from the election. They didn't hear
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  Speaker 3: from the voters that they don't want an open border,
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  Speaker 3: they don't want this invasion. So instead they're doubling down,
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  Speaker 3: and they're trying to make it harder for Trump to
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  Speaker 3: come in with the new administration, secure the border and
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  Speaker 3: remove dangerous criminal illegal aliens. Take a listen to this
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  Speaker 3: reporting on Fox about what specifically the Biden administration is doing, Sandra.
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  Speaker 4: The Biden administration is quietly loosening immigration policies before Trump
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  Speaker 4: takes offense. This according to The New York Post. It reports,
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  Speaker 4: the administration is testing a new app that will allow
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  Speaker 4: illegal migrants to bypass in person check ins at their
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  Speaker 4: local ice office. Jeff Paul is Live with More. It
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  Speaker 4: sounds like they're just given Donald Trump one more thing
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  Speaker 4: to undo.
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  Speaker 5: Well, joh we do know the Biden administration has been
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  Speaker 5: testing this new immigration in Customs app, and the idea
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  Speaker 5: is to streamline the check in process for migrants, allow
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  Speaker 5: them to use their phones or computers to touch base
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  Speaker 5: with immigration officials while they wait for their date in court,
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  Speaker 5: instead of appearing for those check ins in person. Now,
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  Speaker 5: a source tells Fox News. Ice has been using the
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  Speaker 5: app already in a couple of cities, but according to
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  Speaker 5: the New York Post, it's going to be launched officially
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  Speaker 5: next month in New York City. The field office there
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  Speaker 5: reportedly has been overwhelmed, fully booked with appointments for a year.
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  Speaker 5: Our sources tell us that's really the push to get
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  Speaker 5: this backlogged moved through. The concerns regarding this app. Obviously,
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  Speaker 5: it's a new app, so there's going to be some glitches.
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  Speaker 5: The other wider concern is could it cause even more
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  Speaker 5: migrants to go under the radar. We'll have to see
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  Speaker 5: what happens.
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  Speaker 6: John.
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  Speaker 2: There's also some major issues in the reporting with this app.
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  Speaker 2: For example, the app reportedly has severe glitches and issues
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  Speaker 2: and does not track a migrants location if he or
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  Speaker 2: she is using an Android phone or laptop. So, hey,
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  Speaker 2: if you're a legal immigrant, just don't use an iPhone
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  Speaker 2: and they won't be able to track you. The app
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  Speaker 2: also does not check migrants for pass arrests or outstanding warrants,
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  Speaker 2: which is what they do now currently, and so that's
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  Speaker 2: another problem.
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  Speaker 1: They say. The app allows them to opt.
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  Speaker 2: Out of the the contest government orders to undergo electronic tracking,
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  Speaker 2: so you can just say no, I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: be tracked.
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  Speaker 1: There's no way to find you.
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  Speaker 2: And they know all of these glitches are in here,
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  Speaker 2: and yet they're going, yes, we should move forward with this,
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  Speaker 2: knowing that Donald Trump's going to undo it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, understand, the problem is not just that Donald Trump's
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  Speaker 3: gonna undo it, but the Biden administration is trying to
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  Speaker 3: make it harder to find these illegal immigrants. Why would
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  Speaker 3: you say, Hey, you don't have to check in in person. Hey,
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  Speaker 3: you can check in on any app that doesn't track
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  Speaker 3: your location, if you're on an Android for it. Hey,
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  Speaker 3: you can check in in a way that we're not
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  Speaker 3: going to find out if you've been arrested, if you
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  Speaker 3: have a warrant. This is all designed to help illegal
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  Speaker 3: immigrants go underground because Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, and let's
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  Speaker 3: be clear, every Democrat in the House and Senate. You
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  Speaker 3: don't hear any of the Democrats speaking out of it
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  Speaker 3: against this. None of them are saying this is wrong,
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  Speaker 3: don't do this. This is designed to make it more
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  Speaker 3: difficult for the incoming administration to find illegal immigrants and
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  Speaker 3: to arrest illegal immigrants and to deport illegal immigrants. That
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  Speaker 3: includes the convicted murderers that have been released by this administration,
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  Speaker 3: the convicted rapists, the convicted child molesters. You look at,
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty three set the record for the highest number
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  Speaker 3: of illegal immigrants entering the country in a single year,
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  Speaker 3: three point two million. And Joe Biden and Kamala Harris
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  Speaker 3: they don't want those illegal immigrants removed from this country.
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  Speaker 3: They see them as future Democrat voters. This is all
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  Speaker 3: about power, and I got to say say it is stunning.
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  Speaker 3: Well here, I want you to take a look at this,
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  Speaker 3: this tweet from Bill Malusion that lays out some of
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  Speaker 3: the numbers. And for those of y'all that are listening,
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to read it to you. This is what
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  Speaker 3: Bill Malugin tweeted. New per US official to Fox News.
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  Speaker 3: There are currently one point four million illegal immigrants in
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  Speaker 3: the US who have been ordered deported by a DOJ
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  Speaker 3: immigration judge but haven't been removed yet.
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  Speaker 2: So that's, by the way, if people want to know
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  Speaker 2: where Trump's going to start, I think Bill Malugin's tweet
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  Speaker 2: is a great reminder. There are one point four million
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  Speaker 2: illegal immigrants US have been ordered to be deported. So
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  Speaker 2: if you want to know where they're going to start,
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  Speaker 2: this is where they would start.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm told approximately thirteen thousand of them are being
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  Speaker 3: held in ice custody, So out of one point four million,
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  Speaker 3: only thirteen thousand are in custody. The population of one
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  Speaker 3: point four million illegal immigrants have final orders of removal,
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  Speaker 3: meaning they have had their immigration cases heard, receive their
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  Speaker 3: due process, and have been ordered removed from the US
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  Speaker 3: by a DOJ fed immigration judge. A fraction of them
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  Speaker 3: may still have appeal options available to them and may
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  Speaker 3: not yet be removable. With only thirteen thousand in federalized custody,
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  Speaker 3: we are potentially looking at a lot of people roaming
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  Speaker 3: around the country who are in the US illegally and
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  Speaker 3: who have been ordered removed. It is impossible to know
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  Speaker 3: how many of them may be in state or local custodies.
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  Speaker 3: That one point four million, You're right, is exactly where
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  Speaker 3: I expect the Trump administration to start. I also expect
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  Speaker 3: them to start with the five hundred thousand convicted criminals,
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  Speaker 3: those with other criminal convictions murder, rape, child molestation, who
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  Speaker 3: are illegal immigrants who are released to go and apprehend
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  Speaker 3: the criminals, go after the murderers, the rapists, the child molesters,
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  Speaker 3: go after the Venezuelan gang members. If you're a Venezuelan
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  Speaker 3: gang member, my advice is pack up and move out
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  Speaker 3: right now, because we're coming for you. That this administration
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  Speaker 3: is going to arrest you, They're going to remove you,
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  Speaker 3: they're going to deport you, that if you've committed criminal offenses,
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  Speaker 3: they're going to put.
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  Speaker 1: You in jail.
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  Speaker 2: Let's talk about the tone death aspect of this, and
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  Speaker 2: I say tone death, some people would care.
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  Speaker 1: They don't seem to care. Referring to Biden administration.
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  Speaker 2: You just had a trial that was watched in Georgia
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  Speaker 2: of an incredible young lady who fought for a life
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  Speaker 2: for eighteen minutes. Eighteen minutes she was fighting to save
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  Speaker 2: her own life. She was ultimately killed by an league
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  Speaker 2: lmmgrant that we were paying for the hotel rooms, we
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  Speaker 2: were flying him from New York to Georgia, and we're
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  Speaker 2: allowing him to be able to kill this incredible student
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  Speaker 2: in nursing school. And yet the response from this administration is, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna keep facilitating that and do it on an
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  Speaker 2: app and make sure we can't track people for the
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  Speaker 2: next seventy days, because well, we're sorry that you guys
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  Speaker 2: picked Donald Trump and you wanted security.
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  Speaker 1: We're not going to give that to you.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's even worse than that. The attitude of a
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  Speaker 3: great many Democrats is massive resistance. It is reminiscent of
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  Speaker 3: Bull connor during the Civil rights battles. O'Connor was an
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  Speaker 3: elected Democrat who did not want to follow the law
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  Speaker 3: and was defying the law, and he was bitterly angry.
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  Speaker 3: I want you to give a listen to a modern
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  Speaker 3: day Bull Connor, which is the Democrat mayor of the
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  Speaker 3: city of Denver. Give a listen to what he has
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  Speaker 3: to say.
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  Speaker 7: About civil disobedience. You've mentioned that a couple of times now.
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  Speaker 7: Would you be willing to participate in those as the
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  Speaker 7: mayor of Denver? Would you be willing to go out
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  Speaker 7: and protest these things?
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  Speaker 8: I would if I believe that our residents are having
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  Speaker 8: their rights violate. If I think things are happening that
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  Speaker 8: are illegal or immoral or an American in our city,
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  Speaker 8: I would certainly protest it, and I would expect other
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  Speaker 8: residents would do the same.
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  Speaker 7: Trump's new borders are Tom Homan has said that he
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  Speaker 7: is willing to arrest leaders like yourself for standing in
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  Speaker 7: the way of these policies that they want to enact.
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  Speaker 7: Would you be willing to go to jail for these things?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm not afraid of that, and I'm also not
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  Speaker 8: seeking that. I think the goal is we want to
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  Speaker 8: be able to negotiate with reasonable people how to solve
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  Speaker 8: hard problems for publican and democratic presence in the past
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  Speaker 8: have all tried to find solutions to these problems. President
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  Speaker 8: Reagan help people get access to work so they could
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  Speaker 8: stay and support themselves. Biden Harris worked on restricting entry
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  Speaker 8: at the border to close down There are a lot
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  Speaker 8: of ways to approach this problem. We don't think it
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  Speaker 8: has to come to this, but yeah, I think when
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  Speaker 8: you look at you know, Ralph Carr has always been
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  Speaker 8: one of my heroes. He was the governor who in
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  Speaker 8: the middle of the interment of Japanese Americans said this
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  Speaker 8: was the wrong thing to do, and he stood up.
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  Speaker 8: It was unpopular, people were mad at about it. That
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  Speaker 8: was the middle of a wartime. If the president or
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  Speaker 8: any of his actors are going to do things that
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  Speaker 8: we think are illegal or immoral or an American we'll
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  Speaker 8: stand up against those.
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  Speaker 1: It's amazing how the law doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 2: He just said, well, if it's the thing I think
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  Speaker 2: is immoral, then I'm going to just say I'm not
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  Speaker 2: going to follow the law. That's clearly and they want
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  Speaker 2: to become martyrs, they want to become famous. He's enjoying
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  Speaker 2: this moment. Please put me in handcuffs, make me a martyr.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm saying that we are still a sanctuary city.
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  Speaker 3: So understand, the mayor of Denver is the modern day
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  Speaker 3: Bull Connor. He is standing at the courthouse saying I
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  Speaker 3: will block federal law. I will not follow federal law
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  Speaker 3: because my politics, my prejudices. It's interesting he referenced Japanese
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  Speaker 3: internment camps. Who was it that ordered Japanese internment camps?
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  Speaker 3: That was a Democrat president.
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  Speaker 1: Fdr.
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  Speaker 3: You want to talk about patterns of lawlessness, The Democrat
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  Speaker 3: Party has over a century of history of lawlessness. And
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to call for something right now. So the
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  Speaker 3: mayor of Denvers said, we want illegal immigrants in our city.
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  Speaker 3: We will fight to keep illegal immigrants in our city.
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  Speaker 3: I don't care that the voters don't want it. I
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  Speaker 3: don't care what federal law says. I don't care about
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  Speaker 3: the women being murdered, the women being raped, the children
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  Speaker 3: being assaulted. I'm going to call right now for Greg Abbott,
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  Speaker 3: the governor of Texas, for Ron de Santis, the governor
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  Speaker 3: of Florida, for any other red governor to start sending
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  Speaker 3: buses to Denver, Colorado. Mayor of Denver wants illegal immigrants. Well,
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  Speaker 3: you know what, Joe Biden. One of the lies that
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  Speaker 3: mayor just said is well Biden and Harris tightened the
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  Speaker 3: standards at the border.
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  Speaker 1: That is called a lie.
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  Speaker 3: They didn't tighten the standard. They open up the border.
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  Speaker 3: Texas is being in right now, and I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: urge the state government of Texas send every one of
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  Speaker 3: the illegals who comes into the state to Denver, Colorado,
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  Speaker 3: drop them off in front of the mayor's residence. He
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  Speaker 3: wants them there. He's willing to go to jail to
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  Speaker 3: fight for them to be there. Fine, we will send
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  Speaker 3: you the Venezuelan gang members to your city and let's see.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I'm going to predict right now the residents
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  Speaker 3: of Denver aren't going to like this. I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: predict right now, what is.
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  Speaker 1: A tipping point?
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  Speaker 2: That was the question was going to ask you because
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  Speaker 2: it is in Colorado where we've seen these gangs from
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  Speaker 2: Venezuela take over apartment complexes.
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  Speaker 3: Aurora, Colorado. And by the way, ABC, the corporate media
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  Speaker 3: just said, well, it was only a handful of apartment complexes. Well,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you know what, We'll send a few more
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  Speaker 3: and let us know when you would like us to stop,
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  Speaker 3: because you're so proud see today's Democrat. They don't fight
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  Speaker 3: for American citizens, they fight for illegal immigrants. They fight
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  Speaker 3: for Venezuelan gang members. They want more of them there. Well,
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  Speaker 3: I'm happy to remove them from the state of Texas
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  Speaker 3: that removed them from Florida, to remove them from other
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  Speaker 3: red states and guess what, they can all learn to
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  Speaker 3: be skipros.
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  Speaker 2: Now, if you want to hear the rest of this conversation,
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  Speaker 2: you can go back and listen to the full podcast
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  Speaker 2: from earlier this week. Now onto story number two, Sanata,
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  Speaker 2: let me ask you another question about the Also, when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to the timing of this there was Israel
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  Speaker 2: wanted to make it clear they feel like the Biden
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  Speaker 2: administration completely abandoned them and their leadership, which was to
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  Speaker 2: force them into a ceasefire. Israeli government spokesman went on
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  Speaker 2: MSNBC and this is what he.
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  Speaker 9: Said on that potential ceasefire deal joining US now. Israeli
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  Speaker 9: government spokesman in the Office of the Prime Minister, David Menser,
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  Speaker 9: really good to have you. Thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 10: Is this a.
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  Speaker 9: Permanent deal or a temporary deal?
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  Speaker 11: The lens of the five depends on what happens inside Lebanon.
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  Speaker 11: We will certainly from Israel's twenty you adhere to the agreement,
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  Speaker 11: but we will also insist on the agreement being enforced.
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  Speaker 10: We will respond forcefully to any violation.
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  Speaker 11: So with the US is understanding, we will maintain the
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  Speaker 11: full freedom of military action. Yes, of course, we want
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  Speaker 11: our people to go home to their homes in sovereign
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  Speaker 11: Israeli territory.
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  Speaker 1: But if.
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  Speaker 11: Violates the agreement and tries to rearm, we will attack.
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  Speaker 11: If it tries to rebuild its terrorist infratrack infrastructure near
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  Speaker 11: the border, we will attack.
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  Speaker 10: And the Prime Minister has made crystal clear.
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  Speaker 11: If it launches rockets, if it digs tunnels, if it
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  Speaker 11: brings in truckloads of rockets, we will attack. We all
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  Speaker 11: want peace in this region, no one more than Israel,
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  Speaker 11: but we will respond forcibly to any violation of disagreement.
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  Speaker 9: Does that go for the other side as well? If
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  Speaker 9: Israel comes back and rearms itself and resets for a
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  Speaker 9: possible future escalation, possible future escalation in Lebanon, is that
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  Speaker 9: a violation of the agreement?
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  Speaker 1: I just kind of stop and get your reaction to that.
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  Speaker 2: It's amazing how the media here is acting like Israel
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  Speaker 2: is a terrorist organization. They should be held to the
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  Speaker 2: same standards as a terrorist organization, Like, well, hold on
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  Speaker 2: a second, if you're gonna hold terrorist's standards Israel, are
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  Speaker 2: you guys gonna not arm yourself again? Israel is doing
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  Speaker 2: this in a defensive manner because they've been attacked from
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  Speaker 2: all sides, and yet NBC is asking a question like
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  Speaker 2: they're a terrorist group.
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  Speaker 3: That may be the most astonishing question I've ever heard
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  Speaker 3: a reporter say in my life. I want you to
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  Speaker 3: play that play just the final question again. I want
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  Speaker 3: you to hear it, because this is staggering that this
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  Speaker 3: is Do you have the name of this reporter?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: This is on Katie Tour's show NBC slash MSNBC. And
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  Speaker 2: again here's that question as she acts like Israel's a
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  Speaker 2: terrorist organization.
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  Speaker 9: Does that go for the other side as well? If
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  Speaker 9: Israel comes back and rearms itself and resets for a
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  Speaker 9: possible future escalation, possible future escalation in Lebanon, is that
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  Speaker 9: a violation of the agreement?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, people wonder why the media no one has
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  Speaker 2: any faith in them anymore?
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  Speaker 3: And understand, Katie Tuur was a star reporter for NBC.
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  Speaker 3: She was embedded with the Trump campaign in twenty sixteen.
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  Speaker 3: She now has her own show on MSNBC. And what
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  Speaker 3: an absurd question is the agreement violated if Israel re
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  Speaker 3: arms itself, Katie, Israel is a sovereign nation. Israel is
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  Speaker 3: entitled to defend itself. There's nothing in this agreement. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: listen to the idiocy of well, doesn't this agreement say
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  Speaker 3: that Israel cannot have an army, can't defend itself, has
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  Speaker 3: to be utterly defenseless. Why, Well, they committed the horrible
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  Speaker 3: crime of existing when Hamas came in and murdered twelve
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: hundred innocent civilians. Like there is a reason that we
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: did an episode early on after October seventh. That's actually
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: one of my favorite episodes entitled CNN is Hamas's Air
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: Force so is MSNBC, so is ABC. By the way,
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: you want to go back and that that's one of
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: the episodes we put on YouTube. It's a video episode
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: and you can watch it because we play about a
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: dozen different clips where the corporate media is the pr
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: arm of hamas well, there is MSNBC being the pr
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: arm of Hesbela saying well, wouldn't it violated if Israel
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: re arms itself. No, Israel has a right to defend
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: itself and to keep the people of Israel safe, and
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: they are not the equivalent as apparently MSNBC seems to
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: think of the terrorist organization Samas and Hesbela that target
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: and murder civilians.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: I wish, by the way, I could say that this
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: was the worst for Katie in this interview. Listen to
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: the response from the Israeli government spokesman and then the
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: follow up to this about why the timing has happened
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: now for this deal to be done, and that's where
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: it Israel basically kind of says like, yeah, it's the
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: Biden administration's fault because they didn't give us what we
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: need to defend ourselves.
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  Speaker 11: Listen, of course, not Casey, Israel's a sovereign country, not
• 18:13
  Speaker 11: a terrorist organization. We're talking about Jezebela, a terrorist organization
• 18:17
  Speaker 11: in my country. But also last time I checked in
• 18:20
  Speaker 11: your country to Kasey, they're a terrorist organization. They're our enemy.
• 18:24
  Speaker 11: That make no misting that your enemy, and the States
• 18:26
  Speaker 11: as well. So we, of course at Israel will defend ourselves.
• 18:29
  Speaker 11: That's our rights like any other country in the world,
• 18:33
  Speaker 11: to defend ourselves. But if this terrorist organization begins to
• 18:37
  Speaker 11: prepare another attack against us, we will defend ourselves.
• 18:42
  Speaker 10: Israel reserves that right.
• 18:44
  Speaker 9: Is this contingent upon the US unfreezing a weaponshipment, specifically
• 18:48
  Speaker 9: those one ton bombs that Israel had been using so effectively.
• 18:53
  Speaker 11: Well, look, the Prime Minister made clear just before a
• 18:57
  Speaker 11: couple of hours ago that the reason why this has
• 19:00
  Speaker 11: happened now are three reasons.
• 19:02
  Speaker 10: It's because we want to focus now on the Iranian threat.
• 19:06
  Speaker 11: The premiss didn't want to expand on that, but we
• 19:08
  Speaker 11: know that Iran is preparing to create a nuclear weapon.
• 19:12
  Speaker 11: We cannot let that happen. We will always make that
• 19:15
  Speaker 11: our number one priority because Iran say they wish to
• 19:18
  Speaker 11: wipe this country up the face of the earth.
• 19:21
  Speaker 10: Katie, when they say it. We believe it.
• 19:24
  Speaker 11: And the second reason, of course is to yes, give
• 19:27
  Speaker 11: our forces a breather and to replenish our stocks.
• 19:31
  Speaker 10: And there have been big delays.
• 19:32
  Speaker 11: The Prime Minister made that clear that yes, the US
• 19:35
  Speaker 11: is our closest ally in the world.
• 19:36
  Speaker 10: There are no two closer countries anywhere in the world.
• 19:40
  Speaker 11: That there have been big delays in weapons and munitions deliveries.
• 19:43
  Speaker 10: The Prime Minister made that clear.
• 19:45
  Speaker 11: And these delays we hope will be resolved very very soon.
• 19:50
  Speaker 11: But really the third reason for this ceasepy now is
• 19:53
  Speaker 11: to separate as. The Prime Minister said that fronts and
• 19:57
  Speaker 11: isolate from US. From day two law Hamas was counting
• 20:01
  Speaker 11: Onbela to fight by its side. That was a massive miscalculation.
• 20:06
  Speaker 11: With Hesbela now out of the picture, Hamas is left
• 20:09
  Speaker 11: on its own and Israel can increase our pressure on
• 20:12
  Speaker 11: Hamas get our hostages home, which is our sacred mission.
• 20:16
  Speaker 10: It's on number one priority.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Has I mean you hear it there, there's still like,
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: hey you guys, let us hang out to dry.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: The Biden administration did this on purpose. We need this.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: We got to wait for Trump to come in.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: Well, and that's why this cease fire happened now as
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: the Biden White House put enormous pressure on Israel to
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: accept this deal, Israel did, and it is rational for
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: Israel to make the decision focusing on Hamas, cutting Hamas
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: off from Hesbela. That is a major strategic step forward.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: And so I understand why the deal was attractive. But
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: the deal is also this White House is a It
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: was prompted by this White House for extended periods of
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: time cutting off weapons to Israel.
• 20:56
  Speaker 11: But b.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: Joe Biden and Kamala Harrison, the Democrats are trying to
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: tie Israel's hands, and they're trying to do it before
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: the Trump administration comes into office. And so what I'm
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: trying to make clear is nothing in this deal ties
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: Israel's hands to protect itself, to defeat and kill terrorists. Understand, Literally,
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: on the day of October seventh, the Biden administration was
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: saying publicly, do not retaliate militarily. They have been saying
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: every day since October seventh. Happened, stop killing terrorists. And Israel,
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: to its credit, and I got to say the Prime
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: Minister spokesman there, I think did a fantastic job of
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: articulating that Israel is going to defend itself whether or
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: not Democrats in Washington are willing to support it.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: As before, If you want to hear the rest of
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: this conversation on this topic, you can go back and
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: dow the podcast from earlier this week to hear the
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: entire thing. I want to get back to the big
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: story number three of the week you may have missed.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question about college campuses, and
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: we talked to the I'm going to go you mentioned
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: in the center, and I talked about this a lot
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: on the show. Those presidents that came before Congress, and
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: it was shocking that they would not stop the just
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: abuse of the Jewish students and not protect them. Do
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: you feel like the pendulum will swing back watching what
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: happened to some of those presidents and just seeing how
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: extreme these college campuses have gotten, or do you think
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: they're just so indoctrinated to hate Israel now that this
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: is just the policy of almost all of these IVY schools.
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  Speaker 6: Well, the good things then is as a sort of
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: broken down academic myself, I can tell you one thing
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: which is the one thing they care more about than
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: their parking spaces is their funding. And so if you
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: hold their funding at risk, they will stop this behavior.
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: And so I was at penn last April to give
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: remarks on why I think it's a bad idea to
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: hate Jews, and I required three layers of armed guards.
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: I had Philadelphia City cops, I had pen cops, and
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: Heritage was not satisfied with that, and they sent an
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: additional armed guard with me because it was such radical
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: thing for me to go on campus and make these remarks,
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: and that speech isn't free. A lot of people had
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: to pay for that, including the taxpayers of Pennsylvania amongst others.
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: And it was a really enlightening moment that we have
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: to hold this funding at risk. And I've heard President
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: Trump talk about this. I think very forcefully that no
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: university should get federal funding. And I think we can
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: also look at this from the state perspective and hold
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: that funding at risk and that will actually change this behavior.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: Well. And I got to say, Victoria has a lot
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: of courage going on to college campuses and facing the
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: crazy left, the angry left, the Israel hating and America
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: hating left, and we need to see more of that courage,
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: more of that courage among academics, more of that courage
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: among students. And you know, I think back. You know,
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: I mentioned Ben at the outset that Victoria was my
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: first national security advisor, and I think it's worth recounting
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: a little bit of that story when we first started
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: working together. So I was elected to the Senate twelve
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: years ago. I show up in December of twenty twelve,
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: sworn in in January of twenty thirteen. And when you're
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: a brand new Senator, when you're a baby senator, they
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: put you down down on these little bitty basement offices
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: and it's basically freshman hazing. I mean, there are one
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: hundred Senate offices that are full offices, but they keep
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: the new senators down in the basement for three four
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: five months, just basically as an initiation. And then so
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: Victoria was part of our very first team that came
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: together right when I was newly elected. And she came
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: and joined us initially for what was going to be
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: two weeks and just to help us get started, help
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: us hire some staff, and then she then she was
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: going to move on. And when we got there. One
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: of the very first things we had as we had
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: a vote on John Kerrey, who had been nominated as
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: Secretary of State, and John Kerry at the time I
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: was elected, he was a senator, so he was a
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: colleague of mine for like four minutes. And then Obama
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: the beginning of the second term, nominated Kerrie as Secretary
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: of State. I remember John Carey came by my basement office.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: Victoria was sitting in the office in the meeting, and
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: Carrie was, let me speak nicely, incredibly confident in himself.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to put that in a kind tone, and
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: he gave me this this sort of long lecture how
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: I really need to it needed to embrace the Law
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: of the Sea Treaty, which the Law of the Sea Treaty,
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: among other things, significantly undermines US sovereignty and gives away
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: the ability of we the people to make own laws.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: And I remember sitting that just kind of laughing and
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: being like, Okay, this guy has no idea who I am,
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: like none whatsoever. And we then came to the vote
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: on the floor of the Senate, and it was one
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: of the very first votes I ever took, and I
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: went down and voted no, and there was literally an
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: audible gasp on the floor of the Senate when I
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: voted no, because a freshman senator was certainly not supposed
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: to do that. The vote was ninety seven to three.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: So ninety seven senators voted yes. There were only three
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: of us that voted no. I was it ninety four
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: to three? Okay, Well, then I guess Carrie didn't vote
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: for himself. And I remember the three.
• 26:43
  Speaker 10: I remember them.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: I don't know who skipped. Whoever skipped, they did better
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: than the ninety four. And then immediately thereafter, about concurrently
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: with it, was the confirmation of Chuck Hagel. Now Chuck
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: Hagel is who Obama had nominated to be Secretary of Defense,
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: and Chuck Hagel had been a Republican senator. I didn't
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: know Hegel, but as I looked at his record, his
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: record was terrible. And so I ended up leading what
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: was the very first filibuster in American history against a
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: defense secretary, and it was successful. It was before Harry
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Reid had used the nuclear option, before he'd blown up
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: the filibuster. So you can't filibuster now a cabinet nominee anymore,
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: but you could then, and we successfully held forty one Republicans.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: We stopped his nomination, and then actually Republicans being what
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: they are, several other Republicans who joined us went wobbly
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: and decided to confirm him anyway. But that's another story.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: But what I will say is I think it got
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: Victoria's attention that this was not going to be just
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: to quiet go along to get a long tenure in
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: the Senate, that we were there to fight battles and
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: lead battles. And she ended up staying in. And I'll
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: tell you something astonishing, Penn. So, if you rewind the
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: clock twelve years ago, twelve years ago, I am elected
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: to the Senate, I'm elected to the Senate. I'm forty
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: one years old, brand new, elected to the Senate. And
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: as I came into the Senate, I had areas that
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: I knew a lot about. If you were talking about
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: legal issues, if you're talking about criminal justice, if you
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: were talking about constitutional law, I had a long background
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: in all of those issues. When it came to foreign policy,
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: I had essentially zero background. Just my professional career, I'd
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: never worked in foreign policy. I never worked in the
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: State Department of Defense department. I'd never dealt with foreign policy.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: My focus had always been domestic. When I was on
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: the George W. Bush campaign twenty four years ago, I
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: was the domestic policy advisor. That was my specialty, and
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: so look economic matter, domestic matters. I had a lot
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: of experience foreign policy, I had essentially none, but I
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: did have some strong beliefs. The son of a Cuban
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: immigrant who had fought in the Cuban Revolution, and I
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: believed profoundly in freedom. I was inspired by Reagan. Peace
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: through strength is a principle in philosophy that I believed
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: deeply in. But I didn't have a terribly deep subject
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: matter expertise. And so one of the things I give
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: give that background because one of the remarkable things Victoria
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: did is is basically convened a university in the United
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: States Senate to train me up in foreign policy. And
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: I say so with complete humility. And what preceded for
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: four years is we would do deep dives. And when
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: I'm in DC, Heidi and the girls stay back in Houston.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: So when I'm in DC, I'm solo. I don't have
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: I don't have anybody at home, and so my philosophy,
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: if I get to get to my apartment at seven
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: or eight or nine, o'clock at night, I'll be mad
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: at my team. I'll be like, wait, what am I
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: doing sitting in an apartment staring at a wall. There's
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: work to be done. Like now, if Heidi in the
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: girls were there, I'd want to be home with the kids.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: But if they're not there, I want to work. And
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: so every night when I'm in DC, I do a
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: working dinner. And what Victoria began convening as we do
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: working dinners, and many of them were with subject matter experts,
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: where we'd bring in, say a Middle East policy expert
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: or a couple. We'd bring in an Israel expert, or
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: an Iran expert, we'd bring in a Russia expert, we'd
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: bring in a China expert, and we'd do a deep
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: dive onto a subject matter and sit there and have
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: a three four hour dinner really asking. You know, I'm
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: a big believer that there are no stupid questions other
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: than the question you don't ask because you're afraid to ask.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: And so I was perfectly happy to ask question after
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: question after question. And I will just say, now, twelve
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: years later, where I have been in the middle of
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: virtually every foreign policy battle in the Senate, for a
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: long time. Now, it's worth looking back to twelve years ago.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: The incredible job Victoria did systematically giving me a knowledge
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: set to go along with principles that I started with.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: But I didn't have the subject matter expertise. And there's
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: literally no person on planet Earth more responsible for my
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: being able to develop that subject matter expertise than Victoria Victor.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question following up on what
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: he just stated there, and that is it's it's getting
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: close to Christmas, a lot of people buying gifts. It's
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Black Friday right now as people are listening to this.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: When you wrote this book, who did you envision reading it?
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Is this one of those books that you should absolutely
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: get for maybe your kids are in high school or
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: in college.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Is this I mean when you when you write it?
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: When I wrote my book, I'm like, I was trying
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: to vision who do I want to read this book?
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Who am I trying to give information to?
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: To give information ben to people who who are interested
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: in American national security? And not to correct Senator Cruise,
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: but not that I ever would, But the only thing
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: I would adjust to what he just said is it's
• 32:08
  Speaker 6: not foreign policy. This is national security. This is what
• 32:12
  Speaker 6: touches all Americans every day, and so I would hope
• 32:16
  Speaker 6: everyone from a high school senior to somebody who's just
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: interested in the Middle East would be interested in this
• 32:23
  Speaker 6: book because they want to know why this is in
• 32:27
  Speaker 6: the United States' best interests. And I would boil this
• 32:31
  Speaker 6: down to a single issue. And I remember so clearly
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: when we made the decision to do this, which was
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: when Senator Heller's bill to move the Israeli Embassy from
• 32:42
  Speaker 6: Tel Aviv to Jerusalem came up right away in January
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: of twenty thirteen, and it did not have a co sponsor,
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: and I said to Senator Cruz, would you like to
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: be co sponsor? And he said, yes, I would. This
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: seems like a really good idea because this gives that
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: kind of clarity that we were just talking about. And
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: that's when I knew we were off to the races.
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: Same thing with the vote on John Carey, same thing
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: with Chuck Hagel, that we are going to take a
• 33:14
  Speaker 6: new approach to these issues. And it's one of the
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: reasons it was not easy for me to leave Senator
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: Cruz's staff to go into the Trump administration. But I
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: had no conflict of interest because it was essentially the
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: same policies. These are the America First policies, and one
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: of those keystones of that is the relationship between the
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: United States and Israel. And so that's really the purpose
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: behind the book to explain to people why that is
• 33:45
  Speaker 6: and then to give them ammunition to spread that information
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: around because I think the disinformation about Israel, the very
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: negative information about the Jewish people as well as Israel,
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: is so pervasive. So that's why I wrote it.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: I know it's going to be an important book and
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: a lot of people are going to want to try
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: to grab this.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Where can they get it? Where do you tell people
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: to go?
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: Unfortunately, they can get it anywhere they would like. They
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: can get it on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, they can
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: go to the encounterpress website, but Amazon's probably the easiest
• 34:23
  Speaker 6: what we all have on our phones. So really appreciate
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: any kind of pre orders and I hope it makes
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: a great gift.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: As always, thank you for listening to Verdict with Center,
• 34:34
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• 34:36
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• 34:39
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• 34:43
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• 34:46
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