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[BxBD] So much boxing on January 31 · Boxing B-Sides

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  This shit ain't nothing to me, man. This is Boxing
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  Before Dark. Boxing. Boxing. Boxing. Back. Back.
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  Back. Back. Back. Before. Before. Before. Before.
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  Boxing. Boxing. Boxing. Boxing Before Dark. This
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  is Boxing Before Dark. All right. Okay. Let's
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  fucking. I am dialed in. Boxing before dark,
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  we fucking got the fights. Holy shit, Shinara,
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  how you doing out there in Japan? Had a long
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  night. I'm a little rough this morning, not gonna
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  lie. Fighting for your life? Nah, nah, it's not
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  that bad. Maybe threw up before the podcast,
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  but it's all good. Maybe. Man. So, the Ali Revival
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  Act has cleared committee for people who forgot
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  their civics lessons. Bills or amendments to
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  bills like this start off in committee, then
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  they get voted out of committee, and then they
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  go to the floor for a vote. This cleared committee.
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  It passed 30 votes to 4. And, yeah, so now it
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  goes to the Speaker of the House to determine
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  if it's going to be heard for a vote in the House.
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  If it passes there, then it goes to the Senate
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  committee, the equivalent committee in the Senate,
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  and same process there. Right. So, some changes
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  were made to... the Muhammad Ali American Boxing
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  Revival Act. The fighter pay has been increased.
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  The minimum pay per round is now $200 a round.
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  Which still seems crazy low to me. Up from $150.
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  Small victories, I guess. The minimum insurance
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  coverage... was doubled from 25 ,000 to 50 ,000.
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  This seems really good, but I've heard a lot
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  of the boxing podcasts with actual fighters discussing
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  how this will kill club shows entirely. I've
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  been hearing the same thing. Yeah, that it's
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  going to reduce any of the kind of grassroots,
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  lower -level competition. Um, I mean, minimum
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  pays and minimum insurance coverage is a good
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  thing. I'm not saying it's not, but this definitely
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  feels like a way to reduce the competition for
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  prospects. Yeah. So if you don't get signed by
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  a major organization, you pretty much don't get
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  to compete. Exactly. Yeah. And like, so they
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  get to pick who they want. and everyone else
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  is just fucked, basically. So, I don't know.
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  These are, on paper, really good things, but
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  maybe they're not as good as they appear when
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  you first think about them. But that being said,
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  fighters should have insurance. Fighters should
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  get paid. Like, 100%. I'm not... I don't know.
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  I'm conflicted about these two. The sunset clause
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  for all fighter contracts set to six years. Yeah.
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  Of course, fighters are able to re -sign, but
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  there is a designated grace period where they
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  can check with other promoters, see what they're
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  offering. That one I see no downside to. I think
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  that one's just across the board not bad. And
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  I also heard something about they have to offer
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  a fight every six months. Yes. So people can't
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  get just completely sidelined if your promoter
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  doesn't like you, which is also a good thing,
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  I think. If they don't get a fight every six
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  months, they get 10 times the minimum per round.
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  So like 2000 a month until they get there. Next
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  fight. Nice. That one, I think, is just across
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  the board positive. And I kind of hope it gets
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  people to fight more often. Because a lot of
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  dudes fight once a year right now. And barring
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  injury or anything crazy, I think most fighters
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  could handle two fights a year. I think that's
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  very reasonable. Yeah, twice a year kind of became
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  the gold standard. like throughout the aughts
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  and the early 2000 the teens yeah and fighting
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  more like of course there's the jokes that like
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  Armstrong fought fucking like five times a year
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  yeah but lots of those fights were kind of basically
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  sparring matches in front of people yeah But
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  two good fights a year is not a bad schedule.
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  Yeah. The elimination of secondary titles. Only
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  one belt per division. I kind of like that. I
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  mean, the silvers, the interims, the whatever.
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  It's confusing as fuck. like i've been so confused
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  sometimes when we're talking on this podcast
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  i'm like but he's the champion and then nah he's
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  the silver champ but then there's the super champ
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  or whatever the fuck it is yeah they're confusing
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  as hell yeah i i agree with this one um as well
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  like they're the only it was an interesting question
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  that somebody else had posed was how does this
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  affect like regional titles Because even if it's
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  just like Continental Americas, you're still
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  designated the champion of Continental Americas.
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  True. I hadn't really considered that until you
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  said that just now. But the regional belts are
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  important. Exactly. They're stepping stones.
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  The Oriental Pacific ones are really an important
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  step here in Japan. and uh i think the the british
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  title or whatever it is british that's also yeah
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  that's also a really like important milestone
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  for fighters to hit i hadn't thought about that
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  i hope they don't get rid of the regional belts
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  i hope this only is like in regards to world
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  titles right like ebu is that's important for
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  the european scene opbf like you mentioned Yeah,
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  I don't want to see those go away. I'm curious
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  how this is going to play out. Yeah, yeah. I
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  think they need to keep those stepping stone
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  belts. And I don't think that confuses anyone
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  because the casuals have never heard of them.
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  And it's very clear it's not the same as a world
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  title. Right. Anybody who has one doesn't parade
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  it. The only person I've ever seen parade a regional
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  title is Montana Love. Yeah. Otherwise, nobody.
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  Nobody holds that up like they're the king of
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  the world. I don't know how the sanctioning...
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  Oh, Jesus Christ. Sanctioning fees. affect those
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  either like nobody is really defending those
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  for very long usually i mean some guys do and
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  that's that's fine that's good but i mean like
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  the really big guys it's a stepping stone yeah
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  sanctioning fees is uh how is that gonna how
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  is this limitation how is that going to like
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  it's none of the other than ibf The traditional
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  sanctioning bodies are not housed in the U .S.
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  They're based out of Mexico, Puerto Rico, so
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  I guess that one kind of counts. That's WBO.
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  And then WBA is in Panama. For what it's worth,
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  IBF and WBO are actually really good about not
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  putting out interim champs or having more than
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  one title per division. But, like, WBC is...
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  They go crazy with that shit. Yeah, and it legitimately
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  confuses me sometimes. Like, you're watching
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  the fight and suddenly there's a belt. And I'm
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  like, this wasn't a world title fight. Like,
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  what is happening? Because they do the silvers
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  and the supers and the interims and the... Franchise
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  and diamond. Yeah. It gets confusing. Yeah. I...
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  i'm all for there being one world title for each
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  sanctioning body like and i i don't see a downside
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  to that but if they're not getting their money
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  from all these subs sub belts are they gonna
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  start taking higher percentages to pay their
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  sanctioning whatever i actually don't know what
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  the the sanctioning money goes for a whole bunch
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  I assume it's for the drug testing and lining
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  a lot of pockets, mostly. That's what I expect
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  it's used for as well, lining pockets. I think
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  in order to maintain a ranking, you have to pay
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  a sanctioning fee for your fights. I don't know,
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  so maybe there'll be that. Right, yeah. That's
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  also kind of corrupt as hell, but... It is what
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  it is. Yeah, you should just be ranked for being
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  good. Yeah, yeah. Like, I do know that the sanctioning
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  bodies have expenses. They need some income,
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  but I think they milk fighters for a lot more
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  than they actually need. Yeah, I agree. Interesting
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  that you had mentioned the sanctioning bodies
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  and drug testing. One of the other... amendments
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  to the Revival Act is randomized drug testing
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  for both fighters competing in a title fight
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  and a randomized half of all fights on the card.
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  So you don't know which of the two fighters is
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  going to be picked. But every fight has at least
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  one fighter being tested. I see no downside to
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  this either. Something Bally brought up was cost.
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  It is expensive. Yeah. Well, and how much testing
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  are they doing is the other question. Whatever
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  the World Anti -Doping Agency standard is. Yeah,
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  that's expensive. Yes, it is. Yeah. If they randomized
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  and just also randomized what drugs they were
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  testing for, they could cut the cost down quite
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  a bit, I think. But. Yeah. So is this. This is
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  every card. Has half the fighters. Yes. Another
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  way to get rid of the grassroots stuff. Yes exactly.
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  Like those club shows. They don't have the money
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  for this. It might be possible. If it could be
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  worked out through the State Athletic Commission?
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  Yeah, I kind of feel that they're not going to
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  try and make it so that the club shows can survive.
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  Yeah, I think you're right. That's probably the
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  point. This is meant to reduce competition. Yes,
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  it solidifies the major players as they are.
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  Yeah. and obviously Zufa has a lot of money behind
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  them so yeah again like on the surface first
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  pass super good idea but yeah it's it's really
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  gonna start hurting people I think and like pro
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  box is not that grassroots but it's pretty grassroots
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  and I don't know if pro box can even afford this
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  shit Pro box is probably going to leave YouTube
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  and you're going to have to pay a monthly fee
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  to watch pro box so they can pay for drug testing
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  and shit. And that makes me sad. It is. It would
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  make me sad as well. I also would not feel too,
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  I wouldn't, I would be okay with supporting pro
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  box financially. I would too, but like me and
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  you have enough money that that's feasible. Right?
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  Yeah, you're right. Like, neither one of us is
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  choosing pro box or groceries like yeah that's
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  true damn i mean pro box on youtube for free
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  for everyone is fucking great for boxing in my
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  opinion and if they have to get rid of that it's
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  it's gonna make me sad because anyone that i
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  talk to on the internet or in real life I push
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  pro box so hard and I don't feel bad about it
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  at all because it's free. It's free on YouTube.
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  Yeah. Yeah. Um, but yeah, that's, those are the
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  changes to the fucking revival act. Um, and again,
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  all surface sounds great, but when you stop and
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  think about it, it's kind of like, this is, this
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  is going to hurt some stuff. And. If you have
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  those minimums for the fighters and stuff, that's
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  great. I'm not saying it's not, but some fighters
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  who can't get in with the big guys are just not
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  going to get in at all now. Yeah, because this
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  isn't going to hurt PBC or Zufa, like I said.
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  No, like... top ranks gonna be well pop ranks
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  kind of fucked anyways but matchroom and queensbury
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  that it's not for those guys like yeah it's eye
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  of the tiger like i bet you those guys are kind
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  of well it's all drug money anyways but those
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  guys are borderline scraping by That's Canada,
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  so I guess this doesn't affect them, though.
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  My regional, I can think of two regional promotions
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  off the top of my head that would struggle for
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  this. I expect Ironboy probably not going to
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  be in operation much longer with these kinds
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  of minimums set up. Del Sol, definitely less.
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  They'll be out of business faster than Ironboy
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  would be. Yeah. I don't know. I'm a little torn
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  about all of it. But I really don't like the,
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  whatever they call them, unified boxing commissions.
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  That whole system just seems ripe for fucking
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  people over. Yeah, it's exactly what UFC is.
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  And there's more than one case. Plenty of examples
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  of fighters speaking out about shitty pay, shitty
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  treatment. And this is to make UBOs exist like
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  UFC. That's really what the point is. Yeah, and
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  I think that's terrible. And that's the whole
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  reason that the Ali Act was passed in the first
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  place, was to stop that. Yeah. But this, like
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  I had outlined, it still has quite a bit of ways
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  to go. Still plenty of hurdles that it has to
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  clear. It is getting some pushback as well. Yes.
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  Like I mentioned the first time we talked about
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  it, Ilhan Omar and the newest rep out of Arizona,
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  her name is Adelita Grijalva. Those two women
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  fucking spoke up. And I really appreciate it.
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  Yeah. And they make some really good points.
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  Like, they're really well informed about why
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  some of these things are a bad idea. Yeah. Bad
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  ideas. Gervonta Davis is on the run. This whole
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  saga is fucking ridiculous. At least the WBA
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  did the right thing. Stripped him of his title.
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  But they didn't. They put them in recess. Or
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  did they finally strip them? Okay, good. Yeah,
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  legit. And nobody knows where Tank is. This is
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  legitimately fucking funny. This is a wild fucking
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  ride. The villain of the year is looking better
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  and better. He might be the villain of 2026 as
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  well. yeah he might be fucking ridiculous like
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  man just turn yourself in or disappear completely
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  like those are your two options i'm sure oh well
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  i was gonna say his uh google search is probably
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  like non -extradition countries but he's going
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  to argentina yeah but i don't think he has the
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  wherewithal to look that up He's not very book
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  smart. Better be learning Spanish. Deontay Wilder
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  is looking to fight Derek Chisora. It's looking
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  like it's going to happen in April. Okay, how
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  do you feel about this? Because I, honest to
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  God, think Chisora beats him. I would... I'm
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  inclined to agree. I do think Chizora probably...
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  The way somebody put it a long time ago that
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  made me just nearly piss myself laughing was
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  Derek Chizora has more experience being washed.
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  It's true, though. It is true. He knows how to
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  get by being the B -side. Chizora understands
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  exactly what he can do, and he doesn't try to
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  be what he was. Chizora uses his abilities the
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  best way they can be used at this point in time.
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  And I don't think Wilder does. Yeah, I don't
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  think he does either. I'm still going to be cheering
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  for my man Deontay, but I don't like your odds.
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  I just think this is a fuck -up by Wilder. He
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  should have just took the Usyk Payday and gotten
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  his ass kicked. Because he's going to get his
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  ass kicked by Chizora. Which is going to take
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  a lot longer and hurt a lot more. And he's going
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  to fumble the bag. He's not getting that Usyk
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  Payday after Chizora chins him. And the other
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  rumor is... Well, the Wilder Chizora, that's
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  not a rumor. That is moving ahead. It looks like
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  the Sauerland Brothers. Wasserman boxing. Looks
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  like they're going to be promoting it. Usyk might
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  be fighting Andy Ruiz as well. Imagine. It's
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  not going to happen, but imagine Ruiz pulls off
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  the fucking crazy upset a second time. Imagine
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  that Andy Ruiz locks in and somehow wins it.
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  Then it becomes Ruiz versus Chisora. As the winners
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  of the brackets. That's the worst timeline ever.
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  Yeah. Agreed. Speaking of worst timelines, Jai
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  Opataya signs with Zufa. Yeah. I'm disappointed
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  in Opataya. I watched the Probox podcasting boxing
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  scene or whatever it is. Pauly Molinaggi was
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  in Australia for that last card. The fucking
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  atrocity that it was. And he said he was talking
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  to people there and Opataya's getting fucked
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  always. He fights for peanuts, apparently. Oh,
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  shit. Like, they don't pay him shit. Tasman fighters.
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  Zufa probably was like... a pay jump and a half,
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  and they're still getting them at a discount.
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  Good gracious. According to Pauly Malinagy, like,
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  this is all secondhand bullshit, but the reason
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  they stole, not stole, but the reason that they
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  targeted Obataya, according to him, is that he
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  fights for way less money than he should. And
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  also, like, cruiserweights kind of shit. Yeah,
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  who cares? Yeah. So, like, I guess they could
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  run Cruiserweight if they wanted to. But that
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  kind of goes against their branding, because
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  Zufa's, like, the original eight weight class
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  is only yada yada yada, but then they signed
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  the Cruiserweight champ, and when was Cruiserweight
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  created? Like, the 80s? 90s? It's not very long
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  ago. Yeah, it's like 40, 45 years ago? Something
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  like that? Yeah. In the grand scheme of boxing,
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  that's fucking nothing. Right. And further to
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  this, it has been, it was made very apparent,
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  or very clear, that Obatai is going to be allowed
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  to defend his IBF title. He's going to be allowed
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  to unify titles with other, with the two other
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  fucking champs. Yeah, so Zupa's already capitulating
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  on a bunch of their stuff. Which is not a surprise,
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  but I think they've realized that they have to
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  play ball. Boxing isn't like UFC was. At least
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  to start, they have to play ball. Because if
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  they could get Obataya to undisputed status,
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  and it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility,
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  then once he has that, then they hand him the
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  Zufa belt. I'd say, look, the undisputed champ
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  has the Zufa belt. Yeah, the Zufa belt guy is...
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  I really hope people don't buy into this Zufa
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  belt bullshit. A fifth fucking belt? No, no thank
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  you. Yeah. Oh, shit, speaking of no thank you,
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  Virgil Ortiz says no thank you to Golden Boy.
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  He is suing for breach of contract and is looking
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  to end his time as a Golden Boy fighter. That's
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  a big loss for Golden Boy promotions. Yeah. If
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  they lose him. Yeah. Part of the suing legalese
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  stuff is Clapback Thursdays. So they're saying
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  that... uh oscar de la joya and his clapback
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  thursdays is a breach of contract because he's
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  not trying to negotiate with the other promoters
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  in good faith or something yeah that makes sense
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  yeah but that's i think it's kind of silly like
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  it's one of those things they throw a bunch of
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  shit at the wall and see what sticks right but
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  um Honestly, Eddie Hearn doesn't give a shit
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  what Oscar De La Hoya says on Clapback Thursdays.
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  Yeah, I'm sure he's not even aware. I'm sure
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  he knows that they happen, but doesn't go look
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  at them or anything. Yeah, and if he gets mentioned,
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  he probably checks it out. There's also, because
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  of Rick Merigian, I think is his name, Ortiz's
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  manager. And Oscar are beefing because the, I
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  don't know, it's for the, because of the Ennis
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  fight, or trying to make the Ennis fight, and
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  Merigian was trying to negotiate without Oscar
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  in the room, pretty much. Oh, okay. Yeah, I don't
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  understand why they're not just making that fight.
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  It seems like both boxers want it. It doesn't
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  seem like it would be a hard thing to make happen.
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  Right. The network is there with the zone. Both
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  fighters want it. I don't see what the problem
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  is. Yeah. And the whole 60 -40 or whatever I
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  also think is kind of stupid. Just 50 -50 it.
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  They're equally big names. At this point, yeah,
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  I would say they are. It was a 60 -40 Virgil
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  Ennis with a 5 % extra for the winner. So 105
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  % Oscars dealing in big numbers here. Oh, shit.
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  Oscar Valdez is a promotional free agent. I know
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  the world has been waiting with bated breath
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  to hear what he's up to next. Given the way that
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  Top Rank is going, yeah, this is a good time
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  to get off the fucking ship. Yeah. Yeah, it does
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  kind of seem like Top Rank is sinking. I was
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  trying to believe, because I like Top Rank. I
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  think they do a good job usually, but... All
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  good things come to an end, I suppose. So Oscar
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  Valdez finding somewhere else to be is probably
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  a good move. Do you think top rank dies with
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  Bob? I kind of do. I feel like Bob really is
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  top rank. Yeah, I think so too. That might be
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  part of the problem is nobody wants to sign a
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  long -term broadcast deal because Bob's what,
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  like 90? something 94 i think yeah and like people
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  don't live forever so nobody wants to sign a
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  long -term deal with top rank because bob's dying
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  soon doesn't matter what he wants to do he's
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  dying soon like people don't live more than 100
• 28:41
  years hardly ever well good luck to you oscar
• 28:48
  hope you find what you're looking for I like
• 28:52
  Oscar Valdez. I'm excited to see him. He seems
• 28:56
  like a really good dude. He always does part
• 28:59
  of his build -ups to fights. He always does a
• 29:03
  lot of charity work. So that's really respectable.
• 29:09
  This one, I haven't seen much more information,
• 29:13
  but Fernando Vargas Jr. and Amado Vargas were
• 29:17
  fighting in a hotel lobby. It was pretty funny.
• 29:21
  I thought it was pretty funny. What happened?
• 29:24
  Do you know? I didn't hear what it was about
• 29:28
  or anything, but I saw the video clips. I assume
• 29:35
  it's just brother stuff. Yeah, probably. It's
• 29:38
  only a headline because they're kind of famous.
• 29:42
  Like, brothers fight. Not a surprise. But it
• 29:48
  was... in a hotel lobby in front of lots of people
• 29:53
  man when you wouldn't and they're both professional
• 29:59
  fighters so like do they square up properly and
• 30:03
  kind of like there was a lot of movement and
• 30:09
  nobody landed anything crazy yeah well that i
• 30:14
  saw but then there was just a scrap between brothers
• 30:18
  yeah it's it's only a headline because they're
• 30:22
  professional fighters like it it didn't seem
• 30:25
  crazy but everybody pulled out their phones and
• 30:29
  there's like six different angles of it um hold
• 30:43
  on a sec i pulled up an article let me see really
• 30:47
  quickly if they have a a reason yeah emiliano
• 30:54
  says do i condone my brother's fighting not at
• 30:58
  all the ones pointing fingers forget they have
• 31:01
  family they couldn't even be in the same room
• 31:04
  together that's a direct quote yeah i i don't
• 31:09
  think it was anything super scandalous I think
• 31:15
  it was just brothers got pissed off with each
• 31:16
  other and squared off in a hotel lobby. Yeah,
• 31:20
  must have been serious if they're going to brawl
• 31:24
  in public. Or maybe not. I mean, it's like, I
• 31:27
  got family that I throw hands with over nothing
• 31:30
  because they pissed me off. It's just like, I've
• 31:36
  never heard of them doing something like this
• 31:38
  or even heard rumors of them having problems
• 31:42
  with each other. I don't think this is like they're
• 31:46
  never going to talk again. I think this was brothers
• 31:48
  had a couple extra drinks and gotten an argument
• 31:51
  over something. Yeah, that's my thinking as well.
• 31:55
  Just brothers. Brothers fight. Speaking of fights,
• 32:02
  Callum Smith, David Morrell is for the IBO Interim
• 32:09
  175 title. And it's going to purse bid. Nice.
• 32:18
  I like Callum Smith. I'm excited to see him again.
• 32:22
  He doesn't fight very often anymore. He's at
• 32:25
  the tail end of it. Yeah. I like the fight for
• 32:30
  Morrell too. This is stepping back up into title
• 32:35
  contention. That's good. I have to look at David
• 32:38
  Morrell. I'm not sure which one he is. Ah, yeah,
• 32:43
  yeah. I know this guy. It should be a fun fight,
• 32:46
  actually. I don't know. Callum Smith is definitely
• 32:49
  not what he used to be, but he can still put
• 32:52
  up a good fight. Speaking of putting up good
• 32:58
  fights, Oslis Iglesias has an opponent for the
• 33:03
  IBF 168 -pound title. Pavel Silyagin. Who? Exactly.
• 33:13
  He's like number seven, I think, in the rankings.
• 33:18
  Somewhere in that neighborhood. Is he French?
• 33:22
  No, he's Russian. Ah. Yeah, I don't know this
• 33:28
  man. I have never seen this man in my life. Yeah,
• 33:32
  I haven't either. I expect mostly to run over
• 33:37
  him. That's probably what's going to happen.
• 33:40
  We'll have to do some tape study just to see
• 33:45
  how badly is he going to get beaten. Yeah. It's
• 33:50
  not a question of if. Well, unless, I don't know,
• 33:54
  the stars align and Pavel gets it done. Well,
• 33:59
  that's why I asked if he was French. There's
• 34:01
  been a lot of French offsets lately. That's true.
• 34:07
  Let's see. The Wood -Warrington rematch card
• 34:11
  on February 21st is starting to fill out David
• 34:15
  Allen, Ishmael Davis, and Molly McCann. Nice.
• 34:20
  Are going to be on it. So that's fun. That is
• 34:23
  fun. And Juan Francisco Estrada continues his
• 34:29
  campaign at Bantamweight. He will be fighting.
• 34:31
  Well, he might be fighting. All signs are looking
• 34:35
  good. Tenshin Asakawa in April. I hope Estrada
• 34:41
  chins him. I want that more than fucking anything.
• 34:46
  And he could. Estrada's washed, but he's not
• 34:50
  that washed. Like, Estrada still has... Power's
• 34:52
  the last thing to go, right? Exactly. I would
• 34:56
  love it so much if he just fucking shut Tenshin
• 35:00
  off. Just face down on the canvas. That would
• 35:04
  be my fucking Christmas in April. That's it for
• 35:10
  the news, though. Fucking let me do some housekeeping
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• 37:47
  what we do have is kind of interesting. It's
• 37:51
  kind of garbage. Let me see. No limit. No limit
• 37:56
  boxing in the Brisbane Entertainment Center in
• 38:02
  Australia. Looking up only two fights I really
• 38:07
  care about. Liam Wilson continues his campaign
• 38:10
  and he gets a knockout in four over Rodex Piala.
• 38:15
  Who names their kid Rodex? Yeah, I had the same
• 38:18
  reaction when I saw it. He's from the Philippines.
• 38:25
  He got bopped. She was clearly behind. They have
• 38:28
  the strangest names. And Nikita Zoo, no contest
• 38:35
  with Michael Zaraffa. This was fucking ridiculous.
• 38:40
  Yeah, I completely forgot to mention it, but
• 38:43
  we'll have Jacob weighing in on this one in a
• 38:47
  moment. Yeah, Jacob has some thoughts about Australian
• 38:55
  boxing in general. Yeah, thoughts on Liam Wilson,
• 38:58
  Nikita Zu, Jai Obataya, No Limit in general.
• 39:05
  Yeah. Overall, he says everything way better
• 39:10
  than I could. Yeah. I'll wait until we cut to
• 39:16
  that. Fucking golden boy in Palm Desert, California.
• 39:25
  This was a pretty middling card. Let's see. Ruslan
• 39:32
  Abdullaev got a stoppage in five. It looked good
• 39:36
  while doing it. Alexis Rocha dropped out of the
• 39:42
  card and Jordan Panthen stepped up to the main
• 39:47
  event. fought Raul Curiel, Jordan lost a unanimous
• 39:52
  decision. Overall, he made good of his opportunity
• 39:56
  on the bigger stage. For last -minute replacement,
• 40:04
  I thought he did well. Yeah. He was actually
• 40:09
  pretty competitive in the first four or five
• 40:11
  rounds. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't recommend this
• 40:16
  fight. to go find or anything. But I'd never
• 40:21
  heard of Jordan Panthen and I thought he took
• 40:25
  full advantage of the opportunity he was given.
• 40:28
  Yeah. He wears Apollo Creed style shorts. I didn't
• 40:38
  notice. That's fun. He wears the same ones every
• 40:40
  time. But that's it for the recaps. There will
• 40:46
  be more coming, of course. But, upcoming shit.
• 40:51
  It is a busy, busy weekend. Let's get into it.
• 40:58
  Starting things off really nicely. Friday, January
• 41:02
  30th. ProBox TV at the Live Casino and Hotel
• 41:07
  in Hanover, Maryland. I know... a few of these
• 41:15
  guys by name. The co -main is going to be a banger.
• 41:20
  100%. Suleiman Sagawa is fighting Rene Palacios
• 41:25
  in a featherweight fight. I don't know who Rene
• 41:29
  Palacios is, but he better be prepared for a
• 41:32
  large amount of punches. Suleiman Sagawa is a
• 41:40
  bit of a machine. He's always fun. Yeah. Other
• 41:46
  than Sagawa, I don't really recognize anyone
• 41:50
  else that much, but it doesn't really matter
• 41:53
  because with Probox, you're getting really evenly
• 41:57
  matched fights. Yeah. Probox is always entertaining.
• 42:03
  Josh's refrain, Probox good. All right. Yeah.
• 42:10
  Saturday. January 31st. These are not in order
• 42:14
  of time. They are in order of importance. So,
• 42:20
  first off, primetime boxing on DAZN in Kolding,
• 42:27
  Denmark. Who the fuck are these people? Yeah.
• 42:32
  Dina Thorslund is a name. Yeah, Dina Thorslund
• 42:36
  is fighting for the interim WBC featherweight
• 42:39
  title. against Lila Furtado. Don't really know
• 42:43
  who that is, but Dina, not bad. Not a bad watch.
• 42:48
  In the main event, Jacob Bank will be fighting
• 42:51
  William Skull. And that's why we're even paying
• 42:57
  attention to this card. I mean, I'm more excited
• 43:01
  about Dina Thorsland than William Skull. Yeah,
• 43:06
  that's probably a good one. Good estimation there.
• 43:11
  Moving on. Boxer. This will be on BBC2. How you
• 43:15
  watch it outside of the UK. Yes. Come to Discord.
• 43:23
  We'll probably hook you up. At the Copper Box
• 43:26
  Arena. Adam Azeem is fighting Gustavo Lemos.
• 43:34
  That is a 140 pound fight. Also, Francesca Hennessy.
• 43:41
  I have not seen Hennessy as a last name. That's
• 43:43
  pretty fun. Oh, there used to be this promotion
• 43:47
  in the UK. The guy who ran it or owned it or
• 43:52
  whatever, his name was Mick Hennessy. Nice. Moving
• 43:58
  on. Matchroom on DAZN at the Newcastle Arena.
• 44:04
  We have... Just, like, of who really matters,
• 44:11
  Josh Padley versus, holy shit, there are way
• 44:15
  too many vowels in a row here. Jawad? Jawad,
• 44:21
  I think it is. Belmedy? No idea. Four vowels
• 44:26
  is too many vowels. Yes, it is. In the main,
• 44:32
  Bakram Murtazaliev is defending his IBF. 154
• 44:37
  title against Josh Kelly. That one might actually
• 44:43
  be like low -key fun, I think. Yes, Josh Kelly
• 44:47
  does come to Rumble. And Mortazaliev doesn't
• 44:53
  not come to Rumble. Yeah, it should be a good
• 45:00
  fight. Of the three, those three cards that we
• 45:04
  just... mentioned, those are going to be happening
• 45:06
  around midday on the west coast of the US. So,
• 45:11
  yeah. Of the three, I would say the Matchroom
• 45:15
  card is probably the one worth watching. It's
• 45:19
  also the easiest to find. Yes. Probably. William
• 45:25
  Skoll will be on DAZN. So that's fun. Is it?
• 45:37
  Moving to top rank in Puerto Rico. This one is
• 45:45
  going to be on the like Pluto TV, Tubi, Fubo,
• 45:50
  all those funky ass names. The free services.
• 45:54
  Top rank is going to be on one of those. Pick
• 45:57
  your favorite. Not a bad card. Let's see. Juanma
• 46:05
  Juanita Lopez is going to be on here fighting
• 46:09
  Connor Goad. I think it is. Giovanni Santillan
• 46:20
  versus Courtney Pennington. Oh, shit. Giovanni's
• 46:25
  moved up to 154. So that's fun. Nice. Rohan Polanco.
• 46:32
  He's fighting Christian Gomez. It's a welterweight
• 46:35
  fight. Polanco has some pretty good power, so
• 46:37
  it should be fun. And in the main event, WBO
• 46:45
  champ Xander Zayas versus WBA champ Abbas Baru.
• 46:53
  I don't think it's going to happen, but I want
• 46:56
  Baru to pull off the upset so badly. I would
• 46:59
  very much enjoy. I don't know why I just don't
• 47:06
  like Xander Zayas I think it's especially now
• 47:10
  that he has gone full grease in his look like
• 47:14
  have you noticed he greases his hair he's got
• 47:17
  the greasy mustache and the weird Zayas has gone
• 47:21
  full just fuckboy in his styling and I am against
• 47:26
  it I want Abbas Beru to win so badly Oh, I fear
• 47:34
  this is going to be... I think Zaius is going
• 47:38
  to be able to handle Beru as much as I would
• 47:41
  prefer Beru to win. Because it would be funnier.
• 47:47
  Yeah. Full grease. I thought you meant grease
• 47:54
  like the movie. Kind of. Yeah, that kind of fits.
• 48:00
  Like, the hair has greased the movie, for sure.
• 48:05
  But he's also got the just fucking... I like
• 48:09
  facial hair, but his is full, like, telenovela
• 48:15
  -style facial hair. It's not good. His little
• 48:19
  mustache says, yeah, I've been nude on camera.
• 48:22
  What of it? Yeah. You want to make a film? But
• 48:27
  yeah, that's the top -ranked card. And on the
• 48:32
  zone, ring six, Madison Square Garden. This card
• 48:39
  is top to bottom pretty damn good. Yeah, this
• 48:45
  one's worth the pay -per -view money, I think.
• 48:49
  Gerald Miller versus Kingsley Ibe. I don't know
• 48:56
  who Ibe is. I don't either. His nickname is the
• 49:01
  Black Lion. That's kind of hard. Ziad Almayouf
• 49:08
  versus Kevin Castillo. Ziad, he's a Saudi guy.
• 49:17
  He's a plant on all of the ring cards. But he's
• 49:22
  not bad. Yeah, he's fighting some unknown Ecuadorian?
• 49:31
  So his birthplace is Ecuador, his nationality
• 49:34
  is Spain, and his residence is Florida on BoxRec.
• 49:38
  Wonderful. Man of the world. The vacant WBC featherweight
• 49:46
  title, Bruce Carrington versus Carlos Castro.
• 49:51
  I know Carlos Castro is up in the rankings for
• 49:55
  this. I think he's like number two or three.
• 50:00
  I love Castro. I've been following him since
• 50:03
  he was on my regional scene. He's local to me,
• 50:08
  and he's sorry, buddy. I don't think he should
• 50:12
  be in the same ring as Bruce Carrington. Yeah,
• 50:15
  he loses every time he steps up. It's unfortunate.
• 50:20
  I would love to see Carlos Castro pull the upset
• 50:22
  here. It would be way too fucking funny. For
• 50:26
  Bruce Carrington to lose. But yeah. I fear that's
• 50:33
  not going to happen. I don't see it happening.
• 50:34
  Probably not. Keyshawn Davis is moving up to
• 50:39
  140. He will be fighting Jermaine Ortiz. Yeah.
• 50:47
  Hopefully Keyshawn can avoid bullshit this time.
• 50:54
  Yeah. I wonder if they're going to jump. Jermaine
• 50:56
  Ortiz afterwards. Yeah. I mean, he should be
• 51:02
  able to make weight, hopefully. Yeah, he made
• 51:08
  weight in his last fight. He made 140 in his
• 51:12
  last fight, so it shouldn't be hard. Carlos Adamas,
• 51:23
  DWBC. Middleweight champion versus Austin Williams.
• 51:30
  Please tell me he went back to ammo. Yeah, he
• 51:34
  is. Well, BoxRec says he is. It's such a better
• 51:38
  nickname. Yeah. In the main event, WBO 140 champ
• 51:48
  Teofimo Lopez versus Shakur Stevenson. who holds
• 51:54
  the title at 135. What's your official prediction
• 52:00
  for this one, Leo? My official prediction...
• 52:06
  I'm thinking that the prospect of fighting Shakur
• 52:17
  Stevenson is going to bring the best out of Teofimo.
• 52:22
  I think he's going to show up for this one. The
• 52:25
  good version of Teofimo is going to show up for
• 52:27
  this one. It's just difficult because Shakur
• 52:33
  is a fucking defensive wizard. He really is.
• 52:40
  If Zapata couldn't overwhelm him, I really don't
• 52:45
  see Teofimo doing it. I would like to see Tio
• 52:52
  win, but I agree. I think Shakur is going to
• 52:55
  just make Tio look foolish. As he does. And I
• 53:03
  do think the best Tio is going to show up and
• 53:06
  we will have no excuses to defend him. Yeah,
• 53:10
  that would... If he loses with no excuses, then
• 53:14
  I think it's better. Because he did his best.
• 53:19
  I agree, I just mean, I think this time we'll
• 53:23
  get good Tio, we'll show up, and it's just not
• 53:26
  going to be enough. Yeah, that's exactly how
• 53:29
  I feel about it. Still, clowns like Tio Fimo
• 53:40
  I think are good for the sport. To an extent.
• 53:45
  To an extent. I don't know, Tio makes me sad.
• 53:49
  I just really feel bad for him. I feel like he's
• 53:53
  been mistreated by his dad his whole life, and
• 53:57
  it's really fucked with him. I really would like
• 54:01
  to, if I could have a chance to have a conversation
• 54:04
  with him, I would have in my hand a pill and
• 54:07
  say, dude, Zoloft, alright? Please take this.
• 54:11
  It'll take the edge off, I promise. Yeah. Yeah,
• 54:15
  Teal makes me sad. I know he said some horrendous
• 54:19
  stuff and things, and I get flack for still cheering
• 54:22
  for him, but I don't know. Tio makes me sad,
• 54:27
  and I would like to see him do well. Yeah. Yeah,
• 54:31
  I'd like for him to do better in his life. In
• 54:35
  general. Yeah. Not specifically boxing. I would
• 54:39
  just like Tio to do well. Yes. But that's it
• 54:47
  for the very busy Saturday. And so we started
• 54:52
  off with Probox and we're finishing with fucking
• 54:55
  Zufa. Sunday, February 1st at the Meta Apex on
• 55:04
  Paramount+. I would highly encourage people to
• 55:11
  find an alternative way to watch this. Because
• 55:15
  fuck Zufa? Exactly. This card is actually not
• 55:20
  bad. Of the three that we have confirmed right
• 55:24
  now. So, starting off is Hot Rod Kalachik versus
• 55:33
  Oleksandr Vozdik. It's a light heavyweight fight.
• 55:38
  Probably going to be 10 rounds, but... That one
• 55:42
  has potential to be very fun. Yeah. That could
• 55:45
  be a pretty good fight. Vozdik has proved he's
• 55:48
  durable. Kalajic is fun. Should be a good time.
• 55:53
  Pro box. Pro box good. Serhey Bohachuk versus
• 55:58
  Radza Butaev. Bohachuk being on a Zufa card makes
• 56:05
  me sad. He's promoted by 360, so... It makes
• 56:10
  perfect sense, but it makes me sad. Yeah, I wish
• 56:13
  that... Bohochuk went elsewhere instead of ending
• 56:18
  up here. Butaev isn't terrible. He cut his teeth
• 56:27
  at 147. Moving up to 154 makes sense because
• 56:31
  he's been inactive for the past three years.
• 56:34
  I think he's fought once in the last three years.
• 56:39
  Overall... I think the inactivity is going to
• 56:43
  be a problem for Butaev, but not a bad name for
• 56:48
  Zufa to pick up. He's a good competitor, good
• 56:53
  contender. Ah, shit. Rayo Valenzuela versus Diego
• 57:01
  Torres. I like Rayo. I'll have to tune in for
• 57:07
  him. Yeah, I don't know who Diego Torres is.
• 57:14
  So, yeah. Can't really tell you much. No, I don't
• 57:20
  recognize very many of the names on his box rec
• 57:24
  either. He lost to Murataya. Looks like the rest
• 57:30
  of his fights were all in Mexico. Well, that's
• 57:35
  how we round out the weekend. It makes me sad
• 57:39
  that Zufa's actually putting on good cards, kind
• 57:42
  of. Yeah, this is... These three, that's a decent
• 57:47
  offering. Yeah. If it wasn't Zufa, I'd be excited
• 57:52
  for it. Yes. But because it's Zufa... Fuck Dana
• 57:58
  White. Alternative methods. Alright, let me...
• 58:05
  I'm going to cut in the conversation with Jacob
• 58:08
  Wright. All right. Holy shit. It's a special
• 58:14
  edition of Boxing Before Dark. Joined by Jacob
• 58:18
  out of Australia. How goes it? Hello. How's it?
• 58:23
  How's it? Pretty good, mate. I think we're just
• 58:25
  reeling off the Zarafa versus Zoo event from
• 58:30
  last night. So certainly an interesting day.
• 58:34
  for the country in boxing with some other pretty
• 58:36
  recent news as well. Before we talk about that
• 58:40
  stuff, I did want to get your opinion on... It
• 58:45
  was an American conference, but it was the National
• 58:49
  Combat Sports Summit. And there were some pretty
• 58:52
  big changes that the Association of Boxing Commissions
• 58:58
  in the U .S., what they put together. One of
• 59:01
  the key ones that I liked, The push to eliminate
• 59:05
  10 -10 rounds. What do you think? Well, it depends
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  on if they're going to have an all -back criteria
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  for how they should judge a round if it is a
• 59:20
  10 -10. Because different judges are going to
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  value different things. You know, you might have
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  someone who's prioritizing pure aggression in
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  the round. You might have someone who's just
• 59:30
  prioritizing overall cleanliness. If you're going
• 59:34
  to eliminate 10 -10 rounds when it's really,
• 59:36
  really close, you need to understand what the
• 59:39
  judge is going to base it off because I think
• 59:42
  right now there's a lot of contentiousness about,
• 59:45
  you know, what does a 10 -9 round actually look
• 59:48
  like? Because to be honest, most people don't
• 59:50
  even agree on that at the moment, right? Like,
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  there's a lot of people where, even in a fight
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  where, in my opinion, I thought it was so obvious,
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  like Canelo versus Crawford, but that was just...
• 1:00:00
  In my opinion, at the very end, that was just
• 1:00:02
  a beatdown. That was just pure class and quality.
• 1:00:05
  People were still arguing that Canelo was the
• 1:00:08
  aggressor there. So I think if they go ahead
• 1:00:11
  with that, I'd like to see some clarity about
• 1:00:14
  what they're going to define as the main factors
• 1:00:19
  in a 10 -9 round going forward. Because there's
• 1:00:24
  a lot of lacking of clarity there. Like in some
• 1:00:28
  areas, you know exactly what they're looking
• 1:00:30
  for, right? Like if we're in the amateurs, especially
• 1:00:32
  certain countries, judges will value certain
• 1:00:34
  things more than others. So if they do set that
• 1:00:37
  forward, I want to see if they have any more
• 1:00:40
  that they want to say on what the judges will
• 1:00:42
  be instructed to do in the event that they do
• 1:00:44
  believe there is a 10 -10 route. And another
• 1:00:49
  one, this one I did not care for quite as much.
• 1:00:52
  The Association of Boxing Commissions wants...
• 1:00:56
  the judges to more liberally award 10 -8 rounds
• 1:00:59
  in cases when a fighter decisively wins a round?
• 1:01:04
  Yeah. This one needs a lot more clarification,
• 1:01:09
  I think. Oh, absolutely. Because what do you,
• 1:01:13
  like... What does decisively wins a round? What
• 1:01:16
  does that even mean? Well, yeah, what's the threshold?
• 1:01:20
  Because otherwise, something like, in my opinion,
• 1:01:22
  Hitchens vs. Kambosos would have been... 10 -8
• 1:01:25
  in nearly every round, you know? Like, there's
• 1:01:29
  a lot of fights that are like that, where a guy
• 1:01:30
  just clearly looks like they're in a class above,
• 1:01:32
  but it also raises the question of, are they
• 1:01:37
  going to devalue knockdowns in other areas of
• 1:01:41
  the sport as well? Which, if they go in that
• 1:01:44
  direction, I actually won't be overly opposed
• 1:01:46
  to it, in terms of preserving the future of the
• 1:01:48
  sport, but I think it's one of those things where
• 1:01:51
  it's like, who's making the call to do that?
• 1:01:55
  That's going to take a lot of trial and error.
• 1:01:58
  I think that is just super ripe for corruption.
• 1:02:03
  Yeah, exactly. I don't like the more 10 -8 rounds.
• 1:02:10
  I think even if they're giving more, they need
• 1:02:13
  to be pretty sparse with them. They need to be
• 1:02:18
  earned. Because when I heard that, my first thought
• 1:02:22
  was, okay, so... What happens, because we went
• 1:02:26
  back to the criteria where things were, you know,
• 1:02:29
  different people looking at things differently.
• 1:02:31
  If a guy is like, take a pitbull cruise type
• 1:02:36
  fighter, for example, you know, constantly pressuring,
• 1:02:39
  pushing up against the ropes, trying to cut the
• 1:02:41
  ring off. If you have someone who values aggression
• 1:02:44
  more than cleanliness and they go in the direction
• 1:02:47
  of seeing something like that is what makes up
• 1:02:51
  a 10 -8 round. And then you get to the end of
• 1:02:54
  the round and then you realize, oh, we actually
• 1:02:57
  didn't land that many punches. How are those
• 1:03:00
  sorts of discrepancies going to be addressed?
• 1:03:03
  Because, you know, if we can't, like I said,
• 1:03:06
  if we can't agree most of the time on what a
• 1:03:08
  10 -9 round is, because there's a lot of people
• 1:03:11
  who, you know, will be in boxing and they go,
• 1:03:13
  oh, yeah, they just want cleanliness of work.
• 1:03:14
  Other people are going to go, oh, but what about
• 1:03:18
  the aggression? What about bringing the fight
• 1:03:19
  to them, pushing forward? If you then sort of
• 1:03:24
  up the ante on that, I think that is a good point
• 1:03:27
  for corruption. Because let's say you get to
• 1:03:29
  the championship rounds of the fight, right?
• 1:03:31
  Look at something like B -Ball vs. Better BF.
• 1:03:33
  That last, you know, 9 to 12 stretch of rounds.
• 1:03:37
  That 10 -8 could absolutely change everything.
• 1:03:41
  And I like the idea of one good round being able
• 1:03:44
  to change the fight, but I also don't because
• 1:03:46
  it's going to be so subjective. Like, at what
• 1:03:49
  point... does a 10 -8 round become just as good
• 1:03:53
  or even better than knocking someone down? Because
• 1:03:56
  I think there's some examples where it makes
• 1:03:58
  sense to me. Like, for example, some of those
• 1:04:00
  rounds in that Stevenson versus a Theta fight,
• 1:04:02
  I thought I would understand. Because even though
• 1:04:07
  it wasn't knocking him out, he's completely outclassing
• 1:04:10
  him. But if it's anything less than that and
• 1:04:12
  he gets given a 10 -8, that is going to be a
• 1:04:14
  complete disaster. I want to see them add something
• 1:04:17
  about, like, one fighter being hurt like if you
• 1:04:22
  really really buzz somebody and outbox them that
• 1:04:26
  round i can see it being a 10 -8 like if they're
• 1:04:29
  wobbly but don't go down but generally i don't
• 1:04:33
  think many rounds are 10 -8s no not at all yeah
• 1:04:40
  it's and if any of them are they're all later
• 1:04:43
  rounds in the fights too when there's a complete
• 1:04:45
  difference in their levels of energy and The
• 1:04:48
  problem is that you're asking for those 10 -8
• 1:04:52
  rounds to bring the biggest score discrepancies
• 1:04:54
  when they're most likely to happen at the very
• 1:04:57
  end, which is conversely when they're most likely
• 1:04:59
  to change the result of a fight. Yeah, I don't
• 1:05:04
  like the push for 10 -8s. Not at all. I do like
• 1:05:09
  getting rid of 10 -10 rounds, but I... pointed
• 1:05:13
  this out to Leo before. I don't think that's
• 1:05:16
  a problem in America anyways. I think this was
• 1:05:19
  a very... Britain has a lot of 10 -10s. I think
• 1:05:24
  this was the Americans being like, come on, England,
• 1:05:28
  get your shit together. Like... I can't complain
• 1:05:33
  about that. And the last bit... Jack Reese, the
• 1:05:46
  referee, former referee, was like the head speaker
• 1:05:51
  of the conference. His words, we've got to get
• 1:05:57
  them out of there when they are no longer competitive.
• 1:05:59
  Activity does not mean competitiveness. So they're
• 1:06:04
  talking about pulling the plug a little bit quicker.
• 1:06:09
  I'm very happy to hear that. I'm actually very
• 1:06:12
  happy to hear that because I understand that
• 1:06:14
  it's a sport with the ethos of being a fighter
• 1:06:18
  who doesn't go down at its core but in that same
• 1:06:22
  vein we can't do that forever not when we're
• 1:06:24
  learning each and every day what we are currently
• 1:06:27
  learning about brain health and if we want to
• 1:06:32
  see this sport continue there's going to be regulatory
• 1:06:34
  pressures in that direction and I think The next
• 1:06:39
  concern I would have, though, is what happens
• 1:06:42
  when someone is competitive, but they're not,
• 1:06:45
  they're also not completely healthy when they're
• 1:06:48
  in there. Because I think back to the Shigeyoka
• 1:06:51
  fight, where he, and I think Shan might remember
• 1:06:55
  this, but in my opinion, he looked very competitive
• 1:06:58
  towards the end. Like, he was boxing, he was
• 1:07:01
  boxing really well. But there obviously needed
• 1:07:05
  to be some sort of other ways of checking, because
• 1:07:09
  People can just go through anything with adrenaline.
• 1:07:12
  And I like the idea of getting guys out there
• 1:07:14
  when they're really hurt. You know, there's going
• 1:07:17
  to be a lot of people that complain about early
• 1:07:19
  stoppages, but the people that complain about
• 1:07:21
  them, they're not the people that has to face
• 1:07:23
  the consequences of a late stoppage. Yeah. I
• 1:07:27
  think the kind of most famous two Japanese ones
• 1:07:31
  lately would be Anaguchi and Shigeoka. And honestly,
• 1:07:36
  I don't think this change with quotes around
• 1:07:38
  it would help them anyways. They both looked
• 1:07:42
  competitive. They looked very good. Yeah. But
• 1:07:47
  it's not going to stop everything. No. But I'm
• 1:07:55
  worried that they're going to overcorrect, and
• 1:07:58
  we're going to get a bunch of, like, bullshit
• 1:08:00
  British stoppages. Like, I agree protecting the
• 1:08:07
  fighters is the most important, but there's going
• 1:08:09
  to be some big controversies. Like, even the
• 1:08:13
  Parker stoppage. That was a bad stoppage. that
• 1:08:19
  is one that a lot of people did raise concern
• 1:08:22
  about i think in parker's circumstance too where
• 1:08:24
  he has a history of being dropped and coming
• 1:08:28
  back to win those fights as well like against
• 1:08:30
  his arm yeah well and that isn't even the most
• 1:08:35
  hurt he was in that fight and he landed the last
• 1:08:39
  two punches that landed like i don't know i'm
• 1:08:44
  on the fence with this one i do want to protect
• 1:08:46
  the fighters but i also don't want referees deciding
• 1:08:51
  the outcomes of fights yeah look at the end of
• 1:08:57
  the day traders and doctors need to be able to
• 1:09:02
  have a bit more balls in these situations because
• 1:09:05
  nobody ever wants to be the person to tell their
• 1:09:08
  own fighter that's enough but we need to have
• 1:09:12
  a culture where that is something that happens
• 1:09:14
  and i think part of that also comes down to and
• 1:09:18
  this is probably the one area where we can learn
• 1:09:21
  from the ufc is that we need to stop prioritizing
• 1:09:25
  that on the record you know and that's that's
• 1:09:29
  less just the promoters and everything but it
• 1:09:31
  needs to be on the fan side as well where when
• 1:09:34
  we look at a guy and they get a loss that they
• 1:09:37
  don't need to start suing people and doing everything
• 1:09:41
  to try and keep that one off their record because
• 1:09:44
  that ups the ante so much in those situations
• 1:09:48
  where some guys should be out there but losing
• 1:09:51
  is it's it's considered a sin really in the realm
• 1:09:56
  of boxing which you know i mean it's crazy because
• 1:10:00
  you think about any other sport right it's like
• 1:10:02
  man you if you lose 12 games in an nba season
• 1:10:06
  you're considered one of the greatest teams of
• 1:10:08
  all time If you lose one fight in boxing, for
• 1:10:12
  a lot of guys, you are wiped out of any all -time
• 1:10:15
  great discussions or pound -for -pound discussions
• 1:10:16
  immediately. Yeah, that's crazy. But I always
• 1:10:22
  like fighters that tend to get losses anyways.
• 1:10:26
  And that's it. We need to start it from that,
• 1:10:31
  because then we can create a culture where coaches
• 1:10:35
  understand that they're able to... pull a guy
• 1:10:38
  out and they can go right we'll come back to
• 1:10:41
  him next time you know because that's gonna put
• 1:10:44
  us in a position where not only do we get to
• 1:10:47
  see more great fights but we also aren't gonna
• 1:10:50
  have levels where it's like if you don't do something
• 1:10:57
  that you don't really need to do in terms of
• 1:10:59
  putting your brain health at risk that it's not
• 1:11:02
  going to cost you everything because That's very
• 1:11:05
  much, you know, it's the winner takes it all.
• 1:11:08
  Boxing, that's how it is. But there's also other
• 1:11:11
  ways to go about that culture if we're looking
• 1:11:14
  at other sports. I think if we move to a world
• 1:11:19
  where we start looking at things like title defenses
• 1:11:22
  better than your overall record, that's when
• 1:11:26
  we'll get there. But then that's a whole other
• 1:11:28
  conversation about, you know, what are we doing
• 1:11:31
  to value a title? Is it actually worth holding
• 1:11:34
  a title? You've got all those belt fees and everything.
• 1:11:39
  So much. Something interesting that you mentioned
• 1:11:47
  was about once we get away from the culture of
• 1:11:51
  protecting your undefeated record, we'll get
• 1:11:55
  into a space where more coaches are going to
• 1:11:58
  be willing to step in on behalf of their fighter.
• 1:12:01
  I hope so. That's something that Jack Reese brought
• 1:12:04
  up was his words here. Fighters don't like that.
• 1:12:09
  And we know father trainers seem to never throw
• 1:12:12
  in the towel on their sons. And the sons never
• 1:12:15
  quit in front of their fathers. That's true.
• 1:12:21
  I don't know why he made it about fathers and
• 1:12:23
  sons. I really don't. Because you can say the
• 1:12:26
  same thing about a lot of fights. where nobody's
• 1:12:30
  related in the corner it's true but i think it
• 1:12:34
  also i think the point is interesting when it
• 1:12:37
  comes to the topic of you think about a father's
• 1:12:41
  role is to like keep their kid out of danger
• 1:12:43
  but then you look at how that sort of subverts
• 1:12:47
  in the context of father -son coaching so what
• 1:12:52
  not that i actually think he was completely there
• 1:13:00
  But I think you raise an interesting point. I
• 1:13:04
  do think corners need to be more ready to throw
• 1:13:07
  in the towel. There's been quite a few fights
• 1:13:10
  where I don't understand why the corner didn't
• 1:13:13
  stop it. 100%. Well, I mean, Timzu, that's probably
• 1:13:20
  like the best example. That's the best recent
• 1:13:23
  example for sure. Yeah, you gotta make business
• 1:13:26
  decisions. you gotta go right this guy's long
• 1:13:31
  -term health is you know it's gonna be in jeopardy
• 1:13:36
  because you're in a boxing ring but there's levels
• 1:13:41
  of jeopardy that you don't quite need to reach
• 1:13:43
  because i think we look at you know it's boxing
• 1:13:47
  it's rocky movies it's comebacks it's getting
• 1:13:50
  knocked down and still winning the fight in the
• 1:13:52
  last round but we gotta We don't have to completely
• 1:13:56
  let go of that but I think there needs to be
• 1:13:58
  a bit of a loosened grip. Yeah. Because otherwise
• 1:14:04
  we need to be accepting and cognizant of the
• 1:14:09
  fact that we will end up in situations with hematomas
• 1:14:12
  and unfortunate deaths and not just that but
• 1:14:15
  I think the discussion also needs to open up
• 1:14:18
  about CTE and support for boxers after their
• 1:14:22
  career. because we can talk about in -fight safety
• 1:14:26
  all we want but I think it's post -fight and
• 1:14:30
  more specifically post -career safety that I
• 1:14:33
  want to see them really make a point of at the
• 1:14:35
  moment because as a lot of guys over the last
• 1:14:40
  years who have finished their career and they're
• 1:14:43
  not quite sure what they're going to do after
• 1:14:44
  their career and they sort of spiral so I think
• 1:14:49
  about that when I think about the concepts of
• 1:14:54
  stoppages and trainers throwing in towels because
• 1:14:59
  I don't think anybody ever thinks of that in
• 1:15:01
  the moment. Yeah. The post -career care is something...
• 1:15:12
  It's one of the main reasons that I... As much
• 1:15:17
  as he's a jackass in his fighting career, Jake
• 1:15:21
  Paul... He's a big advocate for post -career
• 1:15:25
  care for fighters. Trying to create a collective
• 1:15:29
  bargaining organization for fighters as a whole.
• 1:15:33
  Like pension and stuff. Yeah, exactly. I always
• 1:15:38
  advocate for Jake Paul just because I know he
• 1:15:41
  genuinely does care. Behind the scenes at least.
• 1:15:47
  Yeah. I think so as well. I think there's, and
• 1:15:50
  that's not even, not even to advocate for him
• 1:15:53
  as a personal boxer, but there are things he
• 1:15:57
  is bringing to the sport that are objectively
• 1:15:59
  good for the sport. There's a few of them, and
• 1:16:02
  I think that that should be something that is
• 1:16:06
  noted. A lot of people, they're not going to
• 1:16:09
  see that. They're just going to dismiss him just
• 1:16:11
  at face value and not really look into, you know,
• 1:16:14
  the significance of some of those moves, because
• 1:16:18
  he was someone who made a really big point of
• 1:16:22
  Dana White's treatment of fighters, and I think
• 1:16:28
  that's part of why it upsets me that we're getting
• 1:16:30
  to where we are now, where you know, with Zupa
• 1:16:34
  boxing and trying to move the sport in that direction.
• 1:16:41
  Oh man, speaking of which, Jai Upataya. Signs
• 1:16:47
  with Zubin. This fucking sucks. Terrible diapers.
• 1:16:58
  Look, I'm... I hope he's getting paid a lot.
• 1:17:02
  Because this is a dangerous sport and you can
• 1:17:06
  take your money as it comes. But while it may
• 1:17:09
  be good for him, and I don't necessarily blame
• 1:17:13
  him, I think it was inevitable that... Somebody
• 1:17:16
  was going to do this. But the problem is, once
• 1:17:20
  you give legitimacy to Zufa and their exploits
• 1:17:26
  with Saudi Arabia and Riyadh, what then happens
• 1:17:32
  is they keep swallowing up that market share.
• 1:17:36
  And that's something that can happen quickly
• 1:17:39
  in boxing, a lot quicker than people may think.
• 1:17:42
  Because think about, you know, how much you're
• 1:17:45
  able to watch on DAZN now, and how much the landscape
• 1:17:48
  has changed, even just over the last few years,
• 1:17:50
  in terms of the top -ranking Golden Boy deals
• 1:17:52
  with their respective broadcasters. So, if you
• 1:17:58
  think about how quickly things change in that
• 1:18:00
  sense, the fact that we now have that branch
• 1:18:04
  of legitimacy with Zooka, it now becomes a point
• 1:18:09
  where... Others are going to start taking it
• 1:18:11
  seriously. And the moment that market share goes
• 1:18:13
  in, they are not going to keep paying fighters
• 1:18:16
  like this forever. It's Saudi Arabia, so they
• 1:18:19
  actually can. Like, contrary to popular belief,
• 1:18:21
  this is not some, like, unsustainable thing,
• 1:18:25
  at least for, like, the next probably 50 years
• 1:18:27
  or whatever. But just because you can pay for
• 1:18:30
  something doesn't mean you're going to. Yeah,
• 1:18:32
  shareholders at the end of the day, right? Well,
• 1:18:36
  that's it there's gonna be now that it's with
• 1:18:38
  super now that it's with you know, all of the
• 1:18:41
  Collective shareholders that they're gonna be
• 1:18:44
  getting with UFC people that are coming in that
• 1:18:49
  is gonna happen. So Yeah, it's disappointing
• 1:18:54
  there's gonna be a lot of money That's gonna
• 1:18:59
  be out of the fighters hands and into the shareholders
• 1:19:01
  hands. That's what upsets me the most That's
• 1:19:05
  gonna be This is a sport where, realistically,
• 1:19:08
  boxers get a lot of money, but only a certain
• 1:19:12
  amount of them really get to that money. And
• 1:19:15
  if we're not going to be protecting boxers, then
• 1:19:18
  paying them less is just something that's going
• 1:19:20
  to worry me even more. So, the moment that market
• 1:19:26
  share carries over, no matter how much Opetai
• 1:19:28
  is getting paid right now, it's going to lead
• 1:19:30
  to a point where fighters down the line, they're
• 1:19:32
  getting a lot less. And I think that in itself
• 1:19:36
  is going to set the sport backwards. Realistically,
• 1:19:39
  the sport should not be looking at the UFC and
• 1:19:42
  trying to be like that. I wonder what happens
• 1:19:46
  with the belt after this. At least it's the IBF,
• 1:19:50
  so they'll strip them pretty quick, probably.
• 1:19:52
  Yeah, I'd imagine. They can, and honestly, they
• 1:19:56
  should. Because if you're in a boxing league...
• 1:20:02
  Or whatever it is. I don't know how Zupa's going
• 1:20:06
  to work either. Currently, they were working
• 1:20:08
  with the other belts in a respect for the NLO
• 1:20:12
  vs Crawford event, but I don't think it's going
• 1:20:15
  to be like that forever. It's going to be that
• 1:20:16
  buddy -buddy. Well, and they weren't very buddy
• 1:20:21
  -buddy because they tried to stop What's -His
• 1:20:23
  -Name from coming in the ring with the belts
• 1:20:25
  and stuff like that. Yeah. That's it. It's only
• 1:20:30
  ever going to get more and more hostile, I'd
• 1:20:32
  imagine, over time. So upsetting moment for the
• 1:20:36
  sport. I hope it's not a sign of things to come.
• 1:20:45
  Speaking of things to come, Tim Zhu versus Errol
• 1:20:48
  Spence. Have you heard about this? Oh, I have
• 1:20:53
  heard rumblings. I have not believed them. You
• 1:21:00
  don't think it's going to happen? Look, if it
• 1:21:07
  happens, the fight will be in Australia on a
• 1:21:10
  no -limit card, because I believe that they are
• 1:21:13
  the only people shameless enough. I don't think
• 1:21:18
  they're the only people shameless enough at all.
• 1:21:21
  They probably would be. I think there are many
• 1:21:24
  places in the US that would put Errol Spence
• 1:21:27
  on a card. Look, Tim Zu is going to be a bit
• 1:21:35
  busy at the moment because of what transpired
• 1:21:37
  last night, I'd imagine. Him and his brother,
• 1:21:40
  I think. Him fighting Errol Spence is probably
• 1:21:45
  really good for the both of them. I think it
• 1:21:48
  gives Tim Zu a chance to go against someone who
• 1:21:51
  was an insanely world -class fighter. But Errol
• 1:21:54
  Spence, I believe that he should at least be
• 1:21:56
  getting some sort of tune -up. that, I don't
• 1:21:59
  think he should jump straight into it. Which
• 1:22:01
  is a crazy thing to say about Tim Zhu, who previously
• 1:22:04
  every single bit of dialogue said he needed a
• 1:22:06
  tune -up, but he's just had one, so he's probably
• 1:22:10
  good to go. I think Spence is so shot that if
• 1:22:15
  he tries to have a tune -up, people will realize
• 1:22:17
  how shot he is, and the money goes away. That
• 1:22:22
  could be it. And that fight, like, they are still
• 1:22:26
  both big enough names for that fight to actually
• 1:22:29
  fall quite a fair bit. So, this could be a situation
• 1:22:33
  where Spence has the ability to cash it out.
• 1:22:37
  Not that I really think he should be doing this.
• 1:22:41
  Like, it's like, man, if he believes he can win,
• 1:22:46
  good. Do it. But if it's for any reason other
• 1:22:50
  than that, then... I am not interested in seeing
• 1:22:54
  this. And last bit, Nikita Zu and Michael Zarafa.
• 1:23:06
  Where to begin? Look, we had a fight card where
• 1:23:16
  Liam Wilson, one of Australia's best boxers,
• 1:23:23
  at the moment. I think anybody that's watched
• 1:23:25
  him would tend to agree. He might not have the
• 1:23:28
  same notoriety as a few other fighters at the
• 1:23:30
  moment, but in terms of what he's been able to
• 1:23:32
  do, he has pieced together a very respectable
• 1:23:34
  career for himself and he's continuing to go
• 1:23:36
  as well. He's had a good streak of fights lately.
• 1:23:39
  He's been very active. Now, he was placed behind
• 1:23:44
  two fights on this card. He was placed behind
• 1:23:50
  the lead -up to the main, and then he was also
• 1:23:53
  placed behind former NRL player Nelson Osofa
• 1:23:58
  -Solomona fighting former NRL player Jeremy Lattam.
• 1:24:02
  Now, there is nothing that explains boxing better
• 1:24:05
  in this country than one of its best co -fighters
• 1:24:08
  being placed behind Korea. Yeah, yeah, basically.
• 1:24:16
  Former footy players and... a fight of two heavyweights
• 1:24:22
  who are, compared to Liam Wilson, relatively
• 1:24:25
  not that accomplished. And that's not to disrespect
• 1:24:29
  any of them. You know, everyone that went into
• 1:24:32
  the ring did an excellent job. You know, they
• 1:24:35
  have trained very hard. They've been in camp
• 1:24:37
  for this and they've taken it seriously. But
• 1:24:39
  that is the prioritization of Australian fighting.
• 1:24:43
  And this fight, first and foremost, if you have
• 1:24:45
  followed Michael Zarapa's career, you knew from
• 1:24:48
  the jump that anything to do with him was going
• 1:24:51
  to bring some chaos. Whether it was the time
• 1:24:56
  that he pulled out of the Tetsu fight, or it
• 1:24:59
  was the time where he wanted to pull out of another
• 1:25:03
  fight that they had. I believe Pete Bale, one
• 1:25:05
  of the broadcasters, mentioned, but the doctors
• 1:25:07
  said that they wouldn't be able to clear him.
• 1:25:11
  rightfully to say not fight so he has a history
• 1:25:16
  of events ending up in this way he's got the
• 1:25:20
  reputation as being australia's most hated boxer
• 1:25:23
  whether that's a deserved thing or not but when
• 1:25:27
  you come into the fight with this context and
• 1:25:29
  you get to the second round and then there's
• 1:25:32
  the cut over the eye and to be honest like that
• 1:25:35
  is It didn't look like a big cut, but the photos
• 1:25:38
  circulating around are after it got cleaned up.
• 1:25:41
  It wasn't when the blood was actually flowing.
• 1:25:43
  Now, the problem... It still wasn't a very big
• 1:25:46
  cut, even when the blood was flowing. And the
• 1:25:49
  blood was flowing mostly around his eye. Yeah,
• 1:25:53
  it wasn't massive. But I, as an athlete, I'm
• 1:25:59
  not going to judge someone for saying that they
• 1:26:00
  can't see to the doctor. Now, the problems for
• 1:26:03
  me began after that. He told the doctor he couldn't
• 1:26:07
  see. Sure. You can't see early in the fight,
• 1:26:11
  whatever. It's going to disappoint all the drunk,
• 1:26:14
  overweight gambling addicts in the crowd, but
• 1:26:16
  they're not in the ring. They're not risking
• 1:26:18
  their health and safety. This isn't up to them.
• 1:26:21
  Now, the problem comes when Zarafa then gets
• 1:26:24
  up and says, oh, I said I was good to go. I didn't
• 1:26:27
  say I couldn't see. And then they immediately
• 1:26:30
  play a video of exactly what he said. And he
• 1:26:34
  exactly said, I can't see, as an exact quote,
• 1:26:38
  four times. Literal exact quote, four times in
• 1:26:42
  that sequence. And then after that, his cut man
• 1:26:46
  goes on Twitter and posts the actual swab of
• 1:26:50
  blood that he took. And it was nothing. So Zaraffa's
• 1:26:56
  own cut man went to Twitter to say that it wasn't
• 1:27:00
  a big cut. So, when you're taking into the context
• 1:27:04
  that, it's just, it is such a circus show. And
• 1:27:10
  I also believe that, like, if you're spending
• 1:27:13
  that much money, because it was a $70 pay -per
• 1:27:15
  -view, if you're spending a $70 pay -per -view
• 1:27:17
  to watch Nikita Zu versus Michael Zarafov, that
• 1:27:20
  is natural selection. I am sorry. With all due
• 1:27:25
  respect, with all due respect, if you were a
• 1:27:29
  viewer of this fight, who spent 70 dollars you
• 1:27:33
  just didn't know better and you should have especially
• 1:27:35
  when this country actually does have some decent
• 1:27:38
  fighters you could have been watching because
• 1:27:40
  all of these people if they wanted if they actually
• 1:27:43
  wanted good boxing and to be entertained they
• 1:27:45
  would have been watching max mcintyre and kira
• 1:27:48
  rustin when they had their recent fight but they
• 1:27:51
  weren't because they wanted to watch footy players
• 1:27:53
  and tim zoo's brother and michael zaraffa because
• 1:27:56
  that's who they get angry at on facebook so I
• 1:28:00
  think I already have such a lack of empathy for
• 1:28:05
  the sort of people that are really passionate
• 1:28:07
  about these sorts of fights that I'm not as angry
• 1:28:12
  at this as everyone else is. I mostly just feel
• 1:28:17
  bad for Nikita, to be honest with you. He is,
• 1:28:21
  by all accounts, Nikita seems like such an incredibly
• 1:28:25
  likable and calm person. Like, I've never seen
• 1:28:29
  Nikita really lose his cool, be all of himself.
• 1:28:35
  This is a guy that spends, by all accounts, most
• 1:28:38
  of his time just meditating and boxing. He's
• 1:28:41
  a very calm and chill human being. And he didn't
• 1:28:44
  even, he wasn't even that disparaging towards
• 1:28:47
  Zaraffa after the fight either. Tim certainly
• 1:28:49
  was. Tim was pissed. He was calling him all sorts
• 1:28:51
  of names. You could see all the videos of him
• 1:28:53
  yelling at Zaraffa, getting in the ring for it
• 1:28:56
  too. I mean, kind of deserved. If anybody gets
• 1:29:00
  to talk shit about somebody pulling out of a
• 1:29:03
  fight for blood in their eyes, Tim gets to talk
• 1:29:05
  all the shit he wants. And also, this is the
• 1:29:08
  same Tim that's had to listen to Zaraffa calling
• 1:29:11
  him out for the last four years after Zaraffa
• 1:29:13
  already didn't want to fight the first time.
• 1:29:15
  So there's Tim. He can say whatever he wants.
• 1:29:20
  I think Tim Zhu has earned his respect in the
• 1:29:22
  grand scheme of Australian boxing to be able
• 1:29:24
  to say whatever he wants to Michael Zaraffa.
• 1:29:28
  However, I think the real comedy of this fight
• 1:29:32
  is with George Rose, who, for those who don't
• 1:29:36
  know, the Rose brothers are in charge of No Limit,
• 1:29:39
  who are the promotion company that put this event
• 1:29:41
  on. George Rose has to go up and stand in front
• 1:29:45
  of the crowd because this was his Jay Gatsby
• 1:29:49
  party, right? Like, this was him bringing everyone
• 1:29:52
  out. This is Zu versus Zarafa. This is the fight
• 1:29:56
  that everyone's been talking about for years.
• 1:29:57
  It's going to be like Green versus Mundine and
• 1:30:00
  it ends in less than two rounds and he's being
• 1:30:03
  booed by the crowd having to get up and apologize
• 1:30:05
  to everyone. That, to me, was incredible. Considering,
• 1:30:13
  you know, the irony of how fighters like Liam
• 1:30:17
  Wilson get sort of put on the bottom of these
• 1:30:20
  cards. And when we have these incredible boxes,
• 1:30:26
  yeah, that was a great moment of irony for me,
• 1:30:31
  I think. For him to have to stand up and say
• 1:30:33
  that this event disappointed because he put that
• 1:30:35
  level of faith in the sort of, I don't want to
• 1:30:42
  say clowns, I think that's, I'm not that harsh,
• 1:30:46
  but certainly members of a circus. active participants
• 1:30:52
  in the circus system, I will say. So that's where
• 1:30:59
  we are with Australian boxing. And anybody that's
• 1:31:02
  mad about what transpired last night, I truly
• 1:31:05
  think that what happened last night wasn't anything
• 1:31:07
  that different to what usually happens in Australian
• 1:31:11
  boxing. I think it was just Australia holding
• 1:31:13
  a mirror up at the way that it views boxing.
• 1:31:17
  I think everyone that looked at that and got
• 1:31:20
  absolutely disgusted needs to sit with themselves
• 1:31:22
  and understand that this is what they have been
• 1:31:24
  asking for. They might not believe it, but yes,
• 1:31:28
  you have in fact been asking for this because
• 1:31:31
  when you are treating, you know, Paul Gallen
• 1:31:35
  as one of the biggest boxers in the country.
• 1:31:39
  You know, Gallen versus Sonny Bill Williams had
• 1:31:42
  more people asking for illegal streams on it
• 1:31:44
  than anything else, and it was the same for Gallen
• 1:31:46
  versus Brown and Gallen versus Hewney. That is
• 1:31:48
  what this country wants, and it can try and trick
• 1:31:52
  everyone and pretend that it wants anything else,
• 1:31:54
  but when you look at where the money flows, it's
• 1:31:57
  not. So, Australia, if you're mad that Nikita
• 1:32:02
  Zuba versus Michael Zarafa went the way that
• 1:32:04
  it did, you need to ask why you're spending so
• 1:32:06
  much money on these no -limit fights. when there
• 1:32:10
  are some legitimately incredible boxing talents
• 1:32:13
  in this country coming through. You know, when
• 1:32:16
  we are looking at guys like Tara Moana, guys
• 1:32:19
  like Liam Wilson, guys, you know, people like
• 1:32:22
  Sugar Neeks, when you see the run that she is
• 1:32:24
  on right now, absolutely incredible. And then
• 1:32:27
  understanding that this is what you asked for
• 1:32:30
  because that's not where you're putting your
• 1:32:32
  money. You're putting it into the ex -footy players
• 1:32:34
  fighting and you're getting scared and confused.
• 1:32:38
  when these cards end up like this. Because one
• 1:32:41
  of the last times Michael Zareffa fought, what
• 1:32:43
  happened? His brother punched somebody in the
• 1:32:45
  ring. His brother punched an opposition trainer
• 1:32:48
  in the ring and they had to have the entire stadium
• 1:32:51
  supported. Not the stadium, the ring. But that
• 1:32:55
  was the same card that Nikita Zu was fighting
• 1:32:57
  on. This is what you asked for. You ordered this.
• 1:33:04
  So... It's fucking surprising that Zaraffa is
• 1:33:07
  still getting fights if this is his history.
• 1:33:10
  I didn't know all that. I didn't know all the
• 1:33:11
  history about him either. Australian boxing is
• 1:33:15
  so hard to watch outside of Australia. Everyone
• 1:33:18
  hates Michael Zaraffa. That's why he's popular.
• 1:33:22
  It's the exact same as Paul Gallen. People in
• 1:33:25
  Australia do not watch boxing. They hate watch
• 1:33:27
  boxing. That makes sense. Yeah, that's not good.
• 1:33:33
  No. They are watching you because they want you
• 1:33:38
  to lose. It is tall poppy syndrome. There's no
• 1:33:42
  real country that gets so... We hate our fighters.
• 1:33:52
  We really do. I think there's a few guys that
• 1:33:55
  we really, really, really get behind. I'm really
• 1:33:58
  proud of how we get behind Tim Zhu. But there's
• 1:34:01
  a lot of other guys who just are not afforded
• 1:34:03
  that. And at the end of the day, they're the
• 1:34:08
  guys who really could be using it. Like I look
• 1:34:10
  at when I mentioned Kira Rustin and the talent
• 1:34:15
  that he is, he won't get any near the coverage.
• 1:34:18
  Callum Peters, they're trying to put him on through
• 1:34:20
  no limit. The people, they're just not watching
• 1:34:22
  Callum Peters like they're watching a few of
• 1:34:24
  these other guys. And that honestly upsets me
• 1:34:28
  because he really can't fight. so it's just it's
• 1:34:34
  done it to itself and if we as a country want
• 1:34:38
  to watch good boxing you need to stop only ever
• 1:34:41
  putting your money up when it's an nrl player
• 1:34:44
  that's fighting you need to start going okay
• 1:34:46
  who are who are some of the actual fighters in
• 1:34:49
  this country like google it right now like who
• 1:34:51
  are some of the up -and -coming australian boxers
• 1:34:54
  and start looking into their careers otherwise
• 1:34:58
  You get what you pay for, and if you got sucked
• 1:35:01
  into that, you always should have known that
• 1:35:04
  it was going to be a circus. It's not a good
• 1:35:08
  start to 2026 for Australian boxing, anyways.
• 1:35:13
  Well, that's... It gets what it deserves. And
• 1:35:19
  I say that as a big, huge lover of sport in this
• 1:35:22
  country, but... There's some amazing people that
• 1:35:27
  are going to be at the forefront of Australian
• 1:35:31
  boxing over the next few years, but people are
• 1:35:35
  not following what our Olympians are doing, the
• 1:35:37
  amateur systems. They just fight whatever footy
• 1:35:41
  players No Limit tells them to watch. It's going
• 1:35:48
  to be that way. until we start to actually have
• 1:35:51
  some respect for the art of boxing instead of
• 1:35:54
  just brawling and just wanting to see blood on
• 1:35:59
  TV. The top 10 Australian fighters on BoxRec,
• 1:36:06
  so, you know, grain of salt, the pound -for -pound
• 1:36:09
  list, Jai Obatai is at the top, Liam Parrow,
• 1:36:14
  Sam Goodman, Tim Zhu, Michael Zarafa. Nikita
• 1:36:20
  Zu, Liam Wilson, Imam Kataev, Cesar Tapia, and
• 1:36:25
  John Manu. Yeah. Tara Moana's not on the list
• 1:36:30
  yet? No. There's a few guys that are really unlucky
• 1:36:34
  to miss out on that list. I think Tara Moana
• 1:36:38
  should be in the top 10 list. Without a doubt.
• 1:36:45
  Here's the thing. Even... Even if you had put
• 1:36:48
  Tera Moana in there. I mean, even to be honest,
• 1:36:51
  Liam Parra... People, they do not get behind
• 1:36:56
  Liam Parra like they get up for the rapper or
• 1:37:00
  Zeus, right? Like this... They don't like his
• 1:37:03
  style. He boxes too much. That might be it, but
• 1:37:09
  on top of that, it's also the fact that, yeah,
• 1:37:12
  that's not what they come to see. I mean, that's
• 1:37:15
  crazy because he actually is a pretty tough guy.
• 1:37:18
  Like you see in his most recent fight where even
• 1:37:20
  he had the cut in his eye. And even when he had
• 1:37:23
  that absolutely wanted eye, he still like at
• 1:37:26
  the arena. To me, it looks like he was boxing
• 1:37:29
  good. He was getting out of the way. He was doing
• 1:37:30
  nice and he got the job done. That was it. You
• 1:37:34
  know, Pat Rafter arena around in Brisbane. And
• 1:37:36
  I went there and there weren't that many people
• 1:37:39
  there. It was actually a really empty arena.
• 1:37:42
  That's crazy. Yeah, people, that's what I'm saying.
• 1:37:46
  And this is his hometown. Like, you have to understand
• 1:37:49
  that, like, Liam Parra, he came out of Kooparoo
• 1:37:51
  Boxing Gym over in inner -city Brisbane. I walk
• 1:37:53
  past there all the time. And this fight was being
• 1:37:56
  held in Pat Rafter Arena, which is just west
• 1:37:59
  of it, over around the Tennyson area, I believe.
• 1:38:02
  Now... This is a city that's not even getting
• 1:38:07
  behind its own guy. And when I say its own guy,
• 1:38:09
  I'm talking about one of the best talents to
• 1:38:11
  come out of Australian boxing in quite some time.
• 1:38:14
  And he's a world champ. Exactly. That's fucking
• 1:38:18
  crazy. That's exactly it. He's not some nobody.
• 1:38:22
  He is a world champ. He is one of the most accomplished.
• 1:38:25
  And more people went to watch Nikita Zu versus
• 1:38:29
  Michael Zarafa. And that should tell you absolutely
• 1:38:32
  everything you need to know. because that's...
• 1:38:35
  And it's... Parra only just signed with No Limit
• 1:38:39
  as well, and that disappointed me so much. It'll
• 1:38:42
  be good for him in Australia, but they're not
• 1:38:46
  going to push him the same way they're going
• 1:38:48
  to push Tim Nikita. And that is something that
• 1:38:51
  upsets me, because Liam Parra, in my opinion,
• 1:38:54
  absolutely incredible fighter, at least in the
• 1:38:57
  context of Australian boxing, because... There's
• 1:39:01
  not many Australians that have that level of
• 1:39:04
  counter -punching acumen, head movement or footwork.
• 1:39:08
  And, you know, we're not going to get that. We're
• 1:39:12
  not going to get that again if we keep going
• 1:39:14
  about things at the pro level that we do. Because
• 1:39:17
  it's not a Boxing Australia problem. Boxing Australia
• 1:39:20
  have their own issues. But if you look at their
• 1:39:22
  curriculum on how they teach boxers, the way
• 1:39:24
  that I've been trained to box over the last couple
• 1:39:26
  of years. it's not like they're not telling you
• 1:39:29
  to just get in there and crawl you know it's
• 1:39:33
  just that that is what is going to get you money
• 1:39:36
  in this country so yeah disappointing it's something
• 1:39:41
  where i really wish that we would see a lot more
• 1:39:45
  initiative on the end of australian promoters
• 1:39:48
  to put on fighters like pyro and really give
• 1:39:52
  them a boost It's just not going to happen because
• 1:39:57
  it's not what the people want. They want to watch
• 1:40:00
  footy players. They don't want to watch actual
• 1:40:01
  boxing. Tara Moana's number 48. Just to let you
• 1:40:08
  know. Number 48? 48 in Australia. Yes. Fucking
• 1:40:13
  crazy. I understand. I understand that he might
• 1:40:20
  not have the deepest resume at a pro level, but...
• 1:40:26
  Neither up until last night, really, and even
• 1:40:29
  up to last night, neither does Nikita Zu to an
• 1:40:32
  extent, because Terry Moana, he's where he is
• 1:40:36
  by choice. He would be way higher in that list
• 1:40:40
  if he was with No Limit, because they would have
• 1:40:42
  him fighting a bunch of guys from Brisbane and
• 1:40:45
  from Sydney and whatnot. But the reality is that
• 1:40:48
  he is fighting on overseas and international
• 1:40:51
  cards because he is with Matchroom. So... Which
• 1:40:56
  is probably better for his career in the long
• 1:40:58
  run. Oh, a thousand percent. I mean, look, he
• 1:41:01
  could, I'm going to be honest. I think he, it
• 1:41:05
  would take him like a year and he would probably
• 1:41:07
  be able to sweep all of the Asia Pacific belts.
• 1:41:11
  I don't think any of those guys can actually
• 1:41:15
  handle him. You know, you look at the heavyweights
• 1:41:18
  that fought last night. How do you think Teramalana
• 1:41:20
  goes against those guys? I mean. Yeah. I think
• 1:41:25
  it's a foregone conclusion. We're talking about
• 1:41:27
  Terry Moana in Talmud, and you saw what Talmud
• 1:41:30
  did to McKean. So that's like, and no disrespect
• 1:41:34
  to McKean, great fighter, probably incredible
• 1:41:36
  dude too, but this is Terry Moana we're talking
• 1:41:38
  about. And he is not just a guy who is just a
• 1:41:42
  brawler. Terry Moana, he has come through the
• 1:41:44
  amateur system of Australia. They've prioritized
• 1:41:47
  his footwork and strength and conditioning so
• 1:41:49
  much. He's become so much fitter over the last
• 1:41:53
  year. and they've been having him gently go against
• 1:41:56
  a lot of these lower level fighters while he's
• 1:41:59
  been building this new physique and it's a good
• 1:42:03
  way to manage his career but yeah unfortunately
• 1:42:07
  means he won't kick on as much in australia as
• 1:42:09
  he probably should but i think that he yeah look
• 1:42:15
  australians will need to know him one way or
• 1:42:18
  another because he is one of the best we have
• 1:42:19
  right now Never seen a big armor like that. Goodness
• 1:42:25
  gracious. Yeah, he's going to be famous, famous.
• 1:42:30
  I'm sure of it. Oh, yeah. He's got the dance
• 1:42:34
  moves and everything. He's like... And you wait.
• 1:42:37
  Australia's going to claim him once he gets famous.
• 1:42:40
  Oh, yeah. No, they love him. They love big, powerful
• 1:42:43
  heavyweights. The problem is that if they're
• 1:42:47
  not constantly in front of people, they're not
• 1:42:49
  going to get... really they're not going to have
• 1:42:53
  that light shown on them and that's what they
• 1:42:55
  need for Terry Moana there needs to be that light
• 1:42:57
  shown on him and unfortunately it doesn't I don't
• 1:43:03
  think it's going to be a no limit thing where
• 1:43:05
  they do that for him because he's not he's not
• 1:43:08
  with them but he still does fight on these Australian
• 1:43:09
  cards so yeah we'll have to see how it goes I'm
• 1:43:14
  optimistic about some guys But there's other
• 1:43:19
  cases where I'm just like, man... Yeah. I just
• 1:43:25
  wish there was more support for guys like Pyro,
• 1:43:28
  Terry Moana, SugarNyx, who are boxers instead
• 1:43:33
  of all the ex -footy players that seem to be
• 1:43:36
  able to get all the money they want by just strolling
• 1:43:38
  into boxing. Nyx is number two for women's pound
• 1:43:46
  -for -pound in Australia. Who's number one? The
• 1:43:51
  princess. She should be ahead of Sky. She should
• 1:43:55
  be ahead of Sky. And I say that like I'm a big
• 1:43:59
  Sky Nicholson fan, but like the niece will fight
• 1:44:05
  anyone and everyone and so far every time she's
• 1:44:08
  delivered. I guess I can't complain too much,
• 1:44:13
  though. I forgot Skye Nicholson was Australian,
• 1:44:16
  to be honest. I thought they had ebony bridges
• 1:44:18
  above her. No. I was confused. That's outrageous.
• 1:44:31
  Yeah, that is very much how... Things are going
• 1:44:39
  with Australian boxing at the moment. I think
• 1:44:45
  that unless we as a country decide that we're
• 1:44:50
  going to start prioritizing guys who can box,
• 1:44:52
  that we're going to keep running into this. Yeah,
• 1:44:59
  it really is disappointing when a country doesn't
• 1:45:02
  get behind their guys. Yeah. It upsets me. supports
• 1:45:09
  anyone who decides to live in Canada for two
• 1:45:11
  weeks. Like, we jump all over that shit. Lennox
• 1:45:16
  Lewis lived here for years and fought for us
• 1:45:18
  in the Olympics. I was more thinking, like, Mbili
• 1:45:23
  and Betterbia. Oh, yeah, true. Oh, I forgot about
• 1:45:29
  Mbili being there. He's been there for a while
• 1:45:33
  now, but the day he arrived in Canada, they claimed
• 1:45:36
  him as a Canadian boxer. Yeah, that's true. But
• 1:45:47
  yeah, in that case, I think that's the time that
• 1:45:50
  I've got for today. But I want to say thank you
• 1:45:53
  so much for letting me onto the show, guys. It's
• 1:45:55
  really good to talk about that and hopefully
• 1:45:57
  it shines a bit more light into Australian boxing.
• 1:46:01
  Where it is at the moment, because I certainly
• 1:46:03
  think that if we just kept moving in the direction
• 1:46:07
  of Paro and Teramawana and getting behind them
• 1:46:10
  as a country, that we'd be fine. But hopefully
• 1:46:13
  this event makes people realize that. And especially
• 1:46:18
  Opitaya as well, but I think the Zupa news does
• 1:46:21
  change that a fair bit. Very disappointed. yeah
• 1:46:30
  look it's you got to get your money while you
• 1:46:33
  can and if it wasn't him it was going to be somebody
• 1:46:36
  else true or maybe it could have been nobody
• 1:46:42
  in an ideal world sure but unfortunately that's
• 1:46:48
  you know i know i know could happen in moments
• 1:46:54
  man anything could happen the moment you step
• 1:46:56
  inside a ring yeah at least he's getting in on
• 1:47:02
  the ground floor so he's getting paid well now
• 1:47:05
  exactly that's it the people that come off the
• 1:47:08
  end won't get those same deals but definitely
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  not no but yeah thank you very much guys i appreciate
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  We're going into the big weekend of boxing. Parting
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  I hope the ring card actually delivers this time.
• 1:50:36
  Because they've been hit or miss. I hope it's
• 1:50:40
  a banger. I got a cheer for Beru. This no -name,
• 1:50:50
  random -ass German guy shows up to claim a title,
• 1:50:55
  and now he's being thrust into a unification
• 1:50:59
  fight with the expectation that it's going to
• 1:51:02
  be an easy one, an easy title to take. That's
• 1:51:07
  true. I would very much like Beru to prove him
• 1:51:10
  wrong. I would love if Beru pulls off the upset.
• 1:51:19
  William Skull, if you're having trouble sleeping,
• 1:51:22
  that should be fun. That should be fun for you.
• 1:51:26
  Adam Azeem versus Gustavo Lemos, not a bad fight.
• 1:51:30
  Adam Azeem continues to step up his competition,
• 1:51:34
  so that's fun. And Bokrum. Bokrum, Bokrum. Yeah,
• 1:51:47
  actually, it's a pretty decent weekend of boxing
• 1:51:50
  and closing out January strong. Yeah. I very
• 1:51:56
  much enjoy Pro Box kicking it off and them not
• 1:52:00
  understanding their lane and going for Friday
• 1:52:05
  instead of going on Saturday like they have done
• 1:52:09
  in the past. I miss Wednesday boxing. I do too.
• 1:52:14
  I really wish. I kind of understand why, but
• 1:52:18
  I really wish they would just go back to midweek
• 1:52:20
  boxing. But yeah, that card's going to be fun.
• 1:52:26
  Pro box is always fun, but I really like Suleiman
• 1:52:29
  Sagawa. I'm excited for the co -main. All right.
• 1:52:38
  That's going to do it for this edition of Boxing
• 1:52:41
  Before Dark. we'll see you on the other side