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It's the all Japan special · Boxing B-Sides

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The B-Side and Boxing.
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B-Side shit.
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B-Side.
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B-Side.
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And the B-Side.
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You got a B-Side.
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The B-Side.
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B-Side.
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B-Side.
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B-Side.
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That B-Side thing.
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This is the B-Sides Boxing Podcast.
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Hey, if you're here, thanks for listening.
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This is the Boxing B-Sides Podcast.
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It's going to be structured a little bit differently than usual.
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Right now we're just going, we're doing a little bit of catch-up shit.
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It's been a little hectic over here.
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So this is all Japan.
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The three cars that happened that one weekend in October.
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So we'll cover those three.
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And that's pretty much it for this one.
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But we'll be back with more.
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Got to do a bit more of these catch-up ones before we get ourselves back into a regular rhythm.
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So here we go.
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Man, this Kiaguchi fight was a hell of a fight.
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Yeah, they're just like spamming power punches.
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It's wild.
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It's the, I think Japan-Philippians is a rivalry similar to Mexico-Puerto Rico.
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Yeah, for sure.
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They just go nuts.
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I wanted to see this fight so bad and it just impossible to do both.
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Man, I can see why Kiaguchi is struggling as he moves up in weight.
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He's tiny, tiny.
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He started off out.
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Like his amateur career was under 105.
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But I'm like even in pictures, like usually if it's just a person in a picture, you can't
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tell how tall they are.
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But you can tell on his Instagram just how small he is.
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Like he's got a French Bulldog and either it's the biggest French Bulldog ever or Kiaguchi
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is like tiny.
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Not a big person.
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That's probably the case.
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I'll add the cherry blossoms and stuff.
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I'm just like those trees don't get very tall.
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Do you want to roll?
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San's intro, I could just like fucking do one on the fly with the next one.
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With this.
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Sure.
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Okay, cool.
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I did just want to rag on you a little bit for having to re-record the podcast.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I'm like somebody forgot to hit save.
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Yeah, and closed the recording session without finalizing the recording.
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It's great.
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Go me.
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I'm really good at this.
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Very professional.
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And oh man, the All Japan Special.
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I have my fedora on.
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I got mine ready.
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I have an actual fedora, an expensive wool fedora that I bought at a very nice hat shop.
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Okay, let's get to the thing.
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Some stuff just to give a quick plug for the bros over at Ultimate Fucking Casual.
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This weekend on the 8th, this Friday, 1 FC 169 is happening.
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It's going to be headlined by Anatoly Malikin.
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God, why was that so fucking hard?
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He's the heavyweight MMA champ.
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He's fighting this big African dude who's not a very good wrestler, but like monstrous
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power.
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So should be interesting.
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Anatoly is a fucking maniac.
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He's a 3D division champion, went from middle up to light heavy, and now he's a heavyweight
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champ.
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It's pretty nuts.
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That's wild across any combat sport.
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Well maybe not so much boxing.
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It seems easier to get into heavyweight from a lower weight class in MMA.
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Yes.
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Are the heavies not as heavy?
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I don't know how to phrase that.
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They cap at 265.
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Oh, so it's not an open weight class.
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Nope.
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Ah, that's the difference.
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There's the same like Titanic sized people that are phenomena is happening in MMA as well,
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but there's also a lot of tubby dudes that need, they just need the weight to be able
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to be competitive.
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Right.
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No, for MMA stuff, some of the listeners might find it useful.
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I think I sent it to you.
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One Championship has fights on that YouNext broadcaster here in Japan.
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I think if you have a VPN, you can make just a free account and watch them night of.
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Yes.
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Fire up the VPN, head over to YouNext.
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Making an account is not difficult.
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Just look up an area code that's in Japan.
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Just have it handy.
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It really doesn't matter where it's from.
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Yeah.
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I saw that at least the Japanese card for one championship is going to be on there.
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And it's also on Amazon Prime.
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If you're a subscriber, you already have it here.
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And also on the ninth Saturday, UFC Fight Night card.
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It's not very good, but whatever.
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If you're into MMA, so much so that you're going to skip the boots and bam card, then
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there you go.
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You could go watch that fucking dumpster fire.
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I forgot that was this weekend.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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Let's do our all Japan fucking fun.
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First one in Yokohama.
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This was on Sunday, October 13th.
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So it's put on by Treasure Boxing.
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I don't really have much other than the top two.
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Yeah.
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So in the co-main we had Hiroto Kyoguchi.
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This was flyweight.
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So he started at 105 and then moved up to 108.
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Had good success in those two divisions.
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Now he's up to 112.
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He gets the win back from Vince Paras.
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They had a fight earlier this year in Korea that he lost.
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Yeah.
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So Gucci is one of the ones that was on my list of people I wanted to see fight.
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And he's had two fights since I moved here.
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One in Korea and this one that was the same night as the Tsutsumi fight in Tokyo.
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So I just, I haven't been able to go see him.
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Makes me so sad.
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And this was a victory one too.
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It's a yeah.
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And close to where I live.
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Like Yokohama is only about two hours by train.
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As opposed to Tokyo.
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How far is that?
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Hour and a half.
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Okay.
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You actually go through Tokyo.
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Chiba is on the other side of Tokyo Bay.
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So I basically have to take the train around the water.
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That's I guess the majority decision.
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I'm watching it right now.
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We're in round eight of 10 so far and it's been, I expect that the first fight was like
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this as well.
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It's been a bit of a clobber fest, the Japan Philippines rivalry in full effect.
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Yeah.
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Small dude standing in the middle of the ring just throwing punches.
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Yep.
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Awesome.
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Which is why I wanted to see him.
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It looks like Paras here in round eight starting to work behind a jab a little bit but it's
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a little bit too late for that I think.
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All right.
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In the main event of this card fucking John Shithead Casimiro missed his weight.
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How much was it?
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Two, three pounds?
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It was significant for sure.
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I can't remember.
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It's been a while but yeah.
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Blue weight.
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Not like oh he missed it by a half a pound.
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Right.
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He didn't even try.
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So he misses 122 somehow, some way.
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He's still going to get the, he's still going to get to fight in a way.
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Oh this is even worse.
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So Boxwreck just has Casimiro failed to weigh in.
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Oh.
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So he blew weight the night before and never showed up for the re-weigh.
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Well that's fun.
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And was still allowed to compete.
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That's great.
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Yeah.
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Yeah well he's fucking Casimiro.
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I do not understand why people like this man.
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He bombs out Salo Sanchez in the first round.
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It was not pretty.
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Like Salo was in over his head and I think he figured that out pretty quickly.
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Now actually you've already heard the story because we recorded this once but I made a
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friend at the Tokyo boxing event and we watched the last round and the decision before the
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fight started in Tokyo.
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Oh yeah I did hear that before didn't I?
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Alright there you go.
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Casimiro gets the win.
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Fucking they're keeping in front of the Japan audience.
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He's one I'm surprised they keep letting him fight in Japan.
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If he's blowing weight like this I am surprised the Japanese boxing commission.
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I guess Casimiro is blowing weight against non-Japanese boxers so they don't care.
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That's exactly what I was about to say.
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This isn't a Japanese fighter so he can dishonor himself as much as he wants.
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Kind of bullshit.
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Selective enforcement.
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I love that shit.
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Moving on.
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The take-in card.
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This is the first of two.
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This one was in Tokyo.
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Can I start with since I attended this one my story about getting in.
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This one was at Ariaka arena.
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My first time going to Ariaka arena you actually have to take a bus because it's in basically
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reclaimed land.
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They built fake land into Tokyo Bay and that's this new area where this arena is.
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So I don't think there's any trains that go that way.
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I got there really early because the buses are super confusing.
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I was standing in line just killing time watching some of that other card over somebody's shoulder
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and being a creep in line.
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These people come around and start handing out tickets with numbers on them and they
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give me one.
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I understand none of it.
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But I did kind of get the idea that you had to show it at the gate and I was like okay
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cool I have a ticket but I guess this is you know something extra.
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I showed it at the gate and they just kind of looked at me like I was stupid and gave
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me a program.
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I went and found my seat.
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That's where I met my new friend.
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Somebody actually spoke English a little.
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Actually not a little.
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He speaks English quite well and we chatted and stuff and I asked him what this number
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was for and he says free t-shirts.
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They were just handing out I think 2000 free t-shirts or not 2000 sorry 200 free t-shirts.
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That's really cool.
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Yeah so I get in line and they even still had a large because Japanese sizes are tiny
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and the larges go pretty quick at the boxing events.
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But yeah free t-shirt for the doubleheader night.
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Just got the basically the poster that was on Amazon Prime on the front of the t-shirt.
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I thought that was pretty cool.
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That is cool.
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I would I wish that American events did that.
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I always show up for the untelevised fights and everything because if I pay you know not
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that it's super expensive here but if I pay $300 I'm gonna get as much out of it as I
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can.
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Yeah I like to be there for first fights too like when we went to the Bud Madrimov card.
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So that was something that we were like we were talking about when do we want to get
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there all things considered of when the doors open and stuff.
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I was like well I don't know about you guys but I plan to be there for the very first
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bell.
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Yeah well and I like to find my seat and figure out where the closest bathroom is and where
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the beard stand is and all that good stuff.
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But this fight or these two fights they actually had the beer girls in the stands like the
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baseball games here.
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They have cute girls in cute bright outfits that carry kegs on their back and pour you
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draft beer in the stands.
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Yeah I saw I don't remember where it was but I did see this thing of it was a day in the
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life of one of these beer girls at a Japanese event and how they have to like prepare themselves
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to have like a mini keg on their backs.
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It's not that mini like it's not like it's big.
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It's not a full keg but it's big.
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And they're not necessarily big women either.
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So starting the card the majority draw Ryuga Sato versus Asato Sato.
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That's fucking wonderful.
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Get keep doing that with that name.
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What was the deal here?
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It's a four round bantam weights Ryuga comes in 1 and 0.
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Asato is 1 1 and 1.
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So pretty inexperienced.
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Was Ryuga the guy they're pushing?
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Yeah I think so.
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This was just a kind of amateurish Japan fight.
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They just stood in the center and swung.
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There wasn't a whole lot to take away from this fight other than it was good action for
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the 200 people that had gotten there in time for it.
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Moving up Seigo Yuri Akui split decision over Tanan-shai Charyunpak.
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Twelve round fly weights.
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This is one of the M150 guys.
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I honestly don't remember a whole bunch about this one.
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It was really competitive.
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Like I remember thinking the split decision was fair.
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I think this was probably just an all actiony one as well.
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This is the only televised one that wasn't a world title this night.
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So moving up Kenshiro Toraji gets the WBC flyweight title.
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Dr. Stoppage at the end of 11.
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Christopher Rosales that was just a wonderful fight.
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It wouldn't be unreasonable.
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This was fun.
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Yeah they could do it again and it would be fine.
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It was that good.
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The stoppage it was unfortunate that they at the end of 11 going into the 12th like
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come on man.
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Give the guy his three minutes.
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But yeah and he wasn't going to win it anyways though.
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But he's still fighting.
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Toraji busted this guy's nose early on.
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Well not that early but early ish.
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But he was struggling and he just kept hammering on his broken nose.
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It was I rewatched the highlights and on TV it was pretty apparent that his nose was just
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a mess.
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Yeah understandable that it could be stopped but still in an instance like this this is
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one of like the few times where I would go against the doctor's suggestions or insistence
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like come on dude.
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It's three more minutes.
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He's not going to win but give him a shot.
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Yeah yeah I wasn't mad at the stoppage.
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Like I don't think it was home cooking or anything.
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But I was also surprised.
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Like Rosales was was fighting well.
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I was surprised the doctor stopped it.
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RIP Rosales.
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Hopefully we see you again though.
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All right moving up.
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So Kichi Iwata in the third over Jairo Noriega the Spaniard for the WBO light flyweight title.
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I have this one listed as Shadow Realm in three.
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Goodness gracious.
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Oh my god for these like light flyweights this is a hundred percent like knockout of
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the decade I think.
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This is crazy.
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What I liked most about this one not just that it was you know in the lower weight classes
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getting a knockout like this is pretty rare but Hiro.
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I'm so early.
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Yes especially because it was so early and Hiro was doing pretty well.
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I'm surprised that he that it happened.
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If a stoppage was going to happen it would have I would have expected it to be later
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but I'm not sure how.
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Like they came into this Iwata's 13 and 1 and Noriega's 14 and 0.
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So it's not like there's a real big experience disparity.
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So holy shit that's just fantastic.
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Noriega got fucking Pacquiao'd.
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It was it was crazy.
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I think in the lost session you had mentioned that like the crowd was really really quiet
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as they waited.
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Oh yeah.
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Yeah.
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Noriega didn't get up right away.
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He didn't move right away.
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So there was the initial like big cheer and then everybody was silent while the doctors
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came in and stuff.
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But he did walk out on his own.
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So to a standing ovation and then Iwata got his standing ovation as well.
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But the Japanese crowd is very respectful when people are hurt which is nice.
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I quite enjoy that.
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There's no no reason to be cheering if somebody's not getting up.
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I did feel a little bad for Noriega.
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I like him.
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I like when people from those not so boxing countries are doing well.
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But man Iwata just shut him off.
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It was crazy.
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It's unfortunate but I think I will get he should get another call up to a big fight.
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I think he demonstrated he can hang.
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He does have the skill.
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But yeah.
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Well and this should hopefully get some people turned on to Iwata.
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If anybody is talking shit about lower weight classes and no knockouts for the next year
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that's the knockout to show them.
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In the main event Takuma Inoue loses his bantamweight title the WBA version against Seiya Tsutsumi
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Punch Burger has arrived.
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What was the celebration like in the Tsutsumi section?
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Oh my god.
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So the whole fight was just like the loudest Japanese crowd I've ever seen.
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This was a Sunday night before a long weekend.
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So nobody had to work on Monday.
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And I was shocked at how much of the crowd was Tsutsumi.
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I was in that section because I bought from his fan club.
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So I expected my whole section obviously.
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But it really felt like probably 75% of the crowd was there for Seiya.
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It was crazy.
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Every time there was like a cheer started for Takuma it was instantly drowned out by
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Seiya fans.
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And it wasn't just my section cheering for him.
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It really felt like there was one section of Inoue fans and that was it.
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And Tsutsumi had...
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I was in the front of the first raised seats.
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But on the floor underneath me was a whole group of guys that had went out and bought
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red leather jackets.
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Tsutsumi wears a red leather jacket a lot of the time in his Instagram pictures when
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he's out eating food and stuff.
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And those guys looked...
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They really looked like a sort of anime...
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I don't want to say gang, but you know in anime how there's like the groups of guys.
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Yeah.
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And those guys were down in front of me and they were loud as hell for Japanese fans.
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And in between every round there was like three of them would stand up and just start
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yelling at the crowd to get a Seiya cheer going.
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And they were loud as hell.
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And I rewatched the broadcast last night because I knew we were doing this.
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And you could see them in the background standing this like waving their arms and getting everybody
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cheering in time and stuff.
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They did that in between every round.
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It was great.
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Yeah.
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And I'm sure anybody listening has probably seen at least one episode of Hajime no Ippo.
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Yeah.
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So they do that stuff in the anime and I was like, holy shit, they do that for real.
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I didn't know that was a real thing.
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They do have a ticket sales website, but I have never figured out how you actually just
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go to that website and buy a ticket.
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I have always entered the website through a fan site.
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Now the only one that really uses Japanese Ticketmaster that I've bought is Nakatani.
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But if you go to the Tsutsumi website, it goes to this, I forget what it's called, but
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it's boxingtickets.jp I think anyways.
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And it's just boxers.
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Each boxer has their own page and that's where you order your ticket.
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And the smaller guys like Tsutsumi who's less famous literally just email transfer the money
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like a bank transfer.
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They're very shady.
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And yeah.
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And then they just mail you a ticket.
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Like they personally, well, I'm sure he doesn't pack the envelopes, but like his team personally
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just writes your address on an envelope and puts a ticket in it.
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It's crazy.
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So when you do that, every boxer has their own section.
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And sometimes you even get like really cheerleader like guys like at anime that wear the headband
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and stand up at the bottom and like, okay guys, this is the cheer we're doing.
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Because there's kind of six or seven set cheers and you just insert name here and they'll
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stand at the front in between rounds and stuff and just lead the cheer.
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It's crazy.
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Man, I really want to go to a fight in Tokyo, especially now.
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It's really fun.
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It's probably very different.
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I've never been to a boxing match in America, but the nice thing is everybody seems to be
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paying attention or they're at least not distracting you.
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Like there's no crowd fights or random people yelling about something else.
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All right.
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So to the actual fight.
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Okay.
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So Tatsumi, holy shit, what a gas tank.
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He was going forward, throwing like so many punches every round, all 12 rounds.
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And it seemed like it was going to be a win for him anyway, even if we didn't, if there
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wasn't that kind of weird slip or trip ruled a knockdown.
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I don't know.
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It felt like he had it pretty safe.
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I rewatched it last night.
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It wasn't a slip or a trip.
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It would have been a knockdown, but the ropes held Takuma up.
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He rewatching it, he really did slam into the ropes and the ref stepped in and ruled
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it a knockdown right away.
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So you got it right.
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I think he did.
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I thought it at the fight, looking at the Jumbotron, Tsutsumi looked so fucking nervous
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in his walk in and like the national anthem and everything.
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He looked like he was going to throw up.
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And the first two rounds, he was nervous.
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He wasn't throwing as many punches and he was doing stupid stuff.
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But around, I'd say round four, he finally got comfortable.
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And that's when he really started just out throwing and outworking Takuma and landing
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to the body.
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There were so many body punches that led to head punches because he wasn't throwing just
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one punch.
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He was throwing like 12 punches and something's going to fucking land.
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On the bodywork, Tsutsumi's bodywork was what paid off very much later.
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In a way, in the beginning was it along with the nerves, Inoue was moving around using
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his agility a lot better.
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Seemed like Tsutsumi was having trouble keeping up, but that shit taxes.
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And Inoue slowed down enough and got just he got worked all the way to the end.
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Yeah.
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Not that Takuma didn't land anything.
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Oh, no, he had.
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He did well.
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Yeah.
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Tsutsumi's got a fuck of a chin, I think.
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He was not reacting to some bombs landing upstairs.
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And I forget what round it was, but that cut to his eye was actually pretty bad.
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He ignored it and his cut man's good, but they even had the doctor check it.
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I had forgotten that the doctor checked his eye there.
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I did too.
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Like I looked him up.
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It was late.
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Yeah.
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I think round 11, they're like, and they just let it go.
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But I had to and Tsutsumi's Instagram has been fucking exactly what I thought it was
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going to be.
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It's him eating ridiculously huge, fancy burgers and steaks and sushi and whatnot.
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And just so many new vintage clothes.
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So he gets the win.
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And now we're looking at him being in, let me pull up the old box rack here.
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So bansomweight.
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Of the top six, five are Japanese.
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Junto Nakatani's at first.
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Seiya Tsutsumi is at second.
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There's I don't know.
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I would like to see Tsutsumi fight Take, Yoshiki Take just because he did Daigo Higa dirty
27:09
and I don't like it, even though it's not his fault.
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But I want to see him pay for it.
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Yeah, that would be a good matchup.
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Of the people with belts right now, I think Tsutsumi probably is considered the weakest
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link.
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That is a mistake.
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I think so.
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But other than Nakatani, anybody who thinks he's the like the odd man out and that's who
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you snipe your belt from.
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That is a fucking mistake.
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On board, all in fucking punch burgers from here on out every day.
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And once he starts camp, it's all a meeting.
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It's punch burgers every day.
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Yeah.
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Like I don't know much about Nishida.
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I think we talked about this before, too.
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We did.
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I don't know who he is either.
27:58
Is he the one fighting in Osaka later?
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Yes.
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So there is for the IBF belt.
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Yeah, I think I have decided I am going to make a weekend trip out of this fight.
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I wanted to go see a fight in Osaka.
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I've been having trouble finding any amount of video on this guy, but I haven't gotten
28:23
anybody to help me search in Japanese yet.
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But he fights in Osaka on the 15th of December.
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And I think I'm just gonna.
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It'll be like three hundred dollars in train tickets, which is going to be much more than
28:39
the actual fight ticket.
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And I think it'll be fun to see the difference in the crowds because everybody says Osaka
28:48
is a lot louder and rowdier than Tokyo.
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I will say this first night, the crowd was really fun.
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The second night where people had to work the next day.
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All Tokyo businessmen.
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Blame.
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And they are boring as fuck.
29:04
Is there much of what about Inoue here?
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Because he has he's still I think he's still really live, very much still in the top portion
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of the division.
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I think there's good fights that he can take.
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Daigo Higa would be a nice one.
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Daigo Higa needs to come back.
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Inoue needs to come back.
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I don't think the Japanese are too fussed about making inter promotion rivalries.
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Or should he take somebody from outside of Japan?
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I don't know.
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What do you think?
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Yeah, I don't know.
29:37
I always liked Takuma.
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A bunch of people say he only got the big fights because he's, you know, Naoya's little
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brother.
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I think Takuma is a good boxer on his own.
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Yeah, he is.
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Like he's not as good as his brother, but nobody is.
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So I don't think this is the end of his career by any means.
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And I think he's still up there with the in the mix for a belt.
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Like I don't think this should block his chances at all.
30:05
I did see some people on Discord where, you know, Oh, Inoue finally got fraud checked,
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blah, blah, blah.
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And I'm like, you guys just don't know shit about the small weight classes.
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Yeah, you just don't know who Inoue is.
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That's really all it is.
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Yeah.
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Or Tsutsumi.
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They're like, oh, yeah, he got beat by some fucking nobody.
30:25
Go watch your heavyweights throw ten punches around.
30:28
This is ridiculous.
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Because you've never heard of them.
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Doesn't make them nobodies or frauds or whatever.
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Yeah, I do think little Inoue will get another fight in Japan against a Japanese guy, probably.
30:42
Although they might bring in some high fighter as a get back.
30:47
They do that to the Thai guys a lot here.
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Oh, I'm sure they're not too fussed about getting some, I guess, a decentish payday.
30:55
Fair enough.
30:56
I mean, Kanichi Ogawa, I see he knocked out that guy real fast last time.
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He's back in camp.
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I think he's got something cooking.
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I'm hoping it's not another Thai fight.
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I hope it's like something important.
31:11
I was thinking that even with this loss, this is where the name, the family name is going
31:18
to keep him in the at the top for maybe longer than he would deserve if he were to start
31:25
stringing together losses.
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He would still be able to get some name value.
31:30
But right now, just yeah, Discord fuckers, you haven't heard of them.
31:34
I don't think that's what's happening.
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No, not right now.
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Definitely not.
31:38
You haven't heard of them, but he's been putting in the work just because you didn't see it.
31:43
Doesn't mean it didn't happen.
31:45
I do feel bad for him because if his brother wasn't his brother, he might not.
31:51
Well, he wouldn't be as famous, but he also wouldn't get like even the commentators kind
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of shit on him a bit.
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Oh, maybe his big brother can teach him how to do this.
32:02
And I'm like, guys, leave him alone.
32:08
He is a world champion boxer.
32:11
Man, the English broadcast where I saw it was Christina Poncher and Nico Ali Walsh,
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I will be laying into a bit later.
32:24
But they were just man, they were going so hard for Takuma.
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I suppose I understand why.
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But it's like you're completely ignoring everything that Tsutsumi is doing just because
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of the you recognize one guy's name and that's it.
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Yeah.
32:43
Call the fucking fight, man.
32:45
Poncher, not nearly as bad.
32:47
She's really good about just calling the action.
32:49
But Nico as the analyst, like you're not even good at that either.
32:57
I rewatched the broadcast in Japanese, so I didn't understand a whole bunch of what
33:03
they're saying.
33:04
Like I'm still very slowly learning Japanese.
33:08
But there was a big shift because it started out with the champion, the champion, the champion,
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because they always say it in English.
33:15
And then I think it was about round five.
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It was like, oh, challenger, challenger, challenger.
33:22
So the Japanese broadcast definitely had a big shift from the champion is doing this,
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the champion is doing that to holy shit, the challenger is challenging to the challenger
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is winning.
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Excellent.
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OK, anything more for this one before you get to the 14th?
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I don't think so.
33:42
Cool.
33:43
So the second fight card in Tokyo, part of the doubleheader doubleheader and last one
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we'll be talking about for today.
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Starting off at the bottom, Excel James Jr. majority draw with Ayato Kobayashi.
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You had asked me the first time to guess where this man might be from Excel, where he may
34:07
be from.
34:08
I guess I told you he is Japanese.
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Yes.
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I had a guess.
34:13
I thought he was Filipino just with a name like that.
34:15
I assume his dad got to name him and just Excel is a nice idea of a name.
34:26
But it sounds like you're going to be an accountant.
34:32
It's such a weird name.
34:34
It really is.
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But he gets to draw.
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What can we take away from this?
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They're both young and new.
34:42
I thought it was actually pretty funny that the untelevised card on both nights was a
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majority draw.
34:49
Yeah, the card opener.
34:51
Yeah, I just thought it was a weird coincidence.
34:56
I don't think there's a whole bunch to take away from this.
34:59
Kind of same thing.
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Excel Jr. was trying to be more boxery and Kobayashi was just coming straight ahead and
35:08
throwing a million punches and it's only four rounds.
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So, yeah, that's one of those things that it feels a bit amateurish where you just kind
35:19
of spam for four rounds because you don't have a lot of time to make a case.
35:25
Yeah, like, unless you're clearly dominating, most of the four round ones can be a draw,
35:33
I think.
35:34
I do like that they don't pair up the young guys with like journeymen as much in Japan.
35:41
You hardly ever see a 1-0 fighter and, you know, a 20 and 36 or something.
35:48
That's good.
35:49
Yeah, they match them up with each other.
35:52
Yeah, I think that's why the Japanese guys tend to have losses more than the Western
35:59
guys early in their career.
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Yeah, you're absolutely right.
36:03
I don't know.
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That's the way it should be done, I would say.
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We should be taking some notes.
36:08
Yeah, I really hate the padded resumes.
36:12
It kind of drives me nuts.
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Yeah, there was a Golden Boy card not too long ago that had Alexis Rocha, he was doing
36:25
the analysis and as they were talking about him, they were saying he had 40-something
36:33
fights.
36:34
What the fuck is this, dude?
36:35
Like, I've seen maybe five of yours.
36:38
Who the hell were those other people?
36:40
And the Thai fighters are the worst for that, like, he's 70 and 2 or something and you're
36:49
like, yeah, but is he or was he like fighting fucking drunk cab drivers?
36:53
Yeah, it gets kind of ridiculous.
36:56
All right, let's move up here.
36:59
Tenshin Nozokawa moves down from Super Bantamweight down to 118.
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He is still undefeated, gets the UD over Jerwin Asilo.
37:10
This is the one where I had it noted that Niko is a horrible analysis fucking talking
37:17
head, the worst.
37:19
The guy cannot give credit where credit is due.
37:24
Acting like Tenshin is just some random ass kid off the street that went into a boxing
37:29
gym one day.
37:30
Now this is his fifth fight.
37:32
I don't think you realize this dude was is a kickboxing like martial arts fucking phenom.
37:38
He's already his fans are fucking rabid.
37:42
I know I talked about this before, but tension is the main character of an anime and he acts
37:48
like he knows he's the main character of an anime like that overconfident dickhead in
37:55
an anime, but he can back it up.
37:59
That's tension.
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I cannot stand his personality.
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I mean, he's he's a good boxer, but his personality and just his fans like it's a bunch of people
38:13
his age.
38:14
So what is he like 20?
38:16
23 ish?
38:18
Yeah, he's and 26 if holy shit.
38:22
Oh, okay.
38:23
Well, his fans don't seem that old, but his fans are like late teens, early 20s.
38:29
If they can get away with dyeing their hair the bright yellow, they do, but being as it's
38:35
Tokyo and a bunch of them are now, you know, fledgling Tokyo businessmen.
38:40
Yeah, they're the workforce.
38:41
You're not allowed to dye your hair in Japan in a lot of companies.
38:45
It has to be your natural hair color.
38:48
These fledgling Tokyo businessmen do the spray dye.
38:52
Yeah, like the hair.
38:54
Spirit at school.
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Yeah.
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And then they'll spray it bright yellow just for the fights and he sells so much merch.
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Tension is such a phenom that he has pop up stores, but like I haven't even seen Naoya
39:11
get a pop up store, but tension gets them.
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Wow.
39:15
That's a good way to for me to know what like what levels are we at here of fame?
39:20
I do think Naoya is more famous and like more respected and stuff, but I think Tension's
39:28
fans are more rapid, if that makes sense.
39:33
So Tension, just to get a little bit on the fight itself, Nico, it's not his, it's not
39:41
Tension's fault that you suck.
39:43
It's not his fault.
39:47
The guy was a kickboxing phenom and it fucking shows.
39:52
This kid knows how to fight.
39:54
He was like, Nico was shitting on like, oh, his footwork is a little weird.
39:58
And then he's like dancing circles around a silo.
40:01
What the hell is the matter with you?
40:03
Are we watching the same thing?
40:05
I don't think so.
40:06
It's a little different than boxing and he's probably doing shit that they told Nico not
40:10
to do because he's not good enough to pull it off.
40:13
Probably.
40:14
That's not how I feel anyway, because just because your grandfather was, is a legend,
40:22
legend of the game doesn't mean that you're supposed to be good or something.
40:28
Yeah.
40:29
But I don't know, man, Tension, he's, his move to Bansom, I think they want to get him
40:35
into the mix with the other like big names in Japan because he's a mega star already.
40:43
That's just my thinking of why they moved him.
40:45
Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
40:48
Save the Naoya fight for later.
40:49
It wouldn't surprise me.
40:51
Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if he can make this weight that they match him up with a
40:56
belt holder maybe in two fights.
41:00
They're going to move Tension fast.
41:01
Yeah, of course.
41:05
That was always the plan.
41:06
I don't know who they would pick right now, though.
41:09
I don't think Tsutsumi would be a good match up for Tension.
41:13
Nishida, I don't know enough about Nishida to say just he has nine fights.
41:19
So that would be my shout.
41:21
I think Tension and Takai would be a good fight.
41:25
Yes, Takai was the one I was thinking next.
41:27
I honestly I don't know who would win that one.
41:32
Moving up.
41:34
No contest in the first.
41:35
Anthony Oluskwaga, he holds the WBO Flyweight Championship.
41:40
He fought Jonathan Gonzalez.
41:42
Yeah, Gonzalez was looking for a way out.
41:47
Yeah, actually, this got overturned to a win.
41:53
Yeah, TKO, which I don't think is fair.
41:59
I don't like that decision.
42:01
I do think Gonzalez could have continued and I think if he was told he had to, he would
42:06
have.
42:07
But if you call it a no contest, you got to leave it a no contest.
42:13
Yeah, if it's going to be a stoppage of any kind, it should have been ruled that way in
42:17
the beginning.
42:18
But no contest, that's the point.
42:21
If it stopped in the first four, kind of how it's supposed to happen.
42:24
Honestly, I'm not sure why they changed it, but it really did look like Gonzalez could
42:29
have continued.
42:31
It was a cut in a bad spot, but they ruled it a head clash or something, I think.
42:37
And so he took the out.
42:38
He knew he was going to lose and he took the out when he saw it, is my opinion.
42:43
Hopefully they do it again.
42:44
I mean, and Gonzalez.
42:46
Yeah, I was excited to see Oluskwaga.
42:48
I don't know how you say his name.
42:52
I was disappointed in this.
42:54
I was disappointed in this.
42:56
I wanted to see him fight.
42:59
Looking at the title list here, Kentaro Taraji is at the top of the list.
43:05
Does Akui have a belt?
43:07
Yes.
43:08
The WBA.
43:09
The WBA.
43:10
That's right.
43:11
I don't see it here on Box Rack because they're petty little fuckers.
43:15
That's so stupid.
43:18
It's really dumb, but whatever.
43:20
Yeah, I've actually started going to ESPN so that the WBA is listed.
43:26
Yeah, I need to find a new source of truth here.
43:31
Moving up Pumelile, Kaffu.
43:35
Split decision over Kose Tanaka.
43:37
Super, super close fight.
43:40
114, 113 times two for Kaffu and then 114, 113 for Tanaka.
43:46
That's a holy shit.
43:49
What a fight.
43:50
I think the knockdown was the deciding factor, if nothing else.
43:55
That was wild.
43:57
Yeah.
43:58
I really felt like Tanaka did just enough.
44:04
It's not a robbery and I can't be mad at the judges.
44:07
Everybody had really close scorecards, but I was sad for Tanaka, man.
44:14
We were thinking, because right now the two other champions are Fernando Martinez and
44:20
Jesse Rodriguez.
44:22
Bam.
44:24
Fernando has the rematch with Iyoka coming up and Bam is fighting this weekend.
44:34
We always thought, I always thought anyway, that Kaze Tanoa was like, why did I say Kaze
44:39
Tanoa?
44:40
Kose Tanaka was like the odd man out because those two are fucking tremendous.
44:46
They'll put a beating on somebody and Tanaka, he's been a little shaky recently.
44:52
He showed a lot of grit here.
44:54
I hope they do a rematch because Kosei Raids won.
44:57
That wasn't like Kafu destroyed him.
45:01
No, it was really close.
45:04
This is also the first time I have seen Tanaka's t-shirts.
45:09
I am getting quite the boxing t-shirt collection, actually, but he's got nice t-shirts.
45:13
I might have to buy from him next time.
45:18
Alright, headlining Junto Nakatani, TKO 6 vs. Tasana Salapat.
45:25
That's one of five or six names that he has.
45:29
It has a CP Freshmark tag for his gym sponsor or whatever.
45:34
WBC 118 title.
45:37
Nakatani, still untouchable.
45:40
Yeah, so the last fight was that first round, like not fight.
45:46
The Australobian one?
45:47
Yeah, I finally got to see Nakatani fight live for real.
45:52
It was great.
45:53
His crowd was not nearly as fun.
45:56
It was just a bunch of businessmen with their dates that were not interested in the fights
46:02
at all.
46:03
Lame.
46:04
But so lame.
46:07
But Nakatani's gonna Nakatani.
46:09
Like that was textbook.
46:11
I'm gonna just knock bitches out and take my belts home.
46:15
Thank you very much.
46:17
And Junto's got such a good smile.
46:20
I know this is not the place to fangirl over it, but he's so fucking adorable with that
46:24
big ass grin.
46:26
And they had his face up on the big screen and you just you have to be happy for him
46:31
because he looks so happy.
46:33
I like seeing Japanese fighters emote more like that.
46:38
It's always nice because they always seem so stoic.
46:40
Yeah, but when they do the announcements, they always really when they win, they show
46:45
their emotions when they lose.
46:48
Not so much.
46:49
But yeah, I don't know if anybody can touch Nakatani.
46:52
Like I really think he is untouchable right now.
46:56
Nakatani is just tall and his basics are great like every Japanese fighter, but he's being
47:04
trained by how we looked this up last time.
47:07
Mexican guy.
47:08
Yeah, he is Mexican, right?
47:10
I believe so.
47:11
In the somewhere in these trains in the US.
47:14
California, I think.
47:16
Yeah, Rudy Hernandez.
47:18
I think it's really showing in the defense.
47:22
Yeah, because that's always my problem with Japanese fighters.
47:25
Their defense tends to be shit.
47:27
Yeah, we just watched it in the Kyoguchi fight a few moments ago.
47:33
It was just bombs away like Kyoguchi was having some head movement, but not as much as you
47:39
would like, especially for a guy that's throwing a ton of punches at you.
47:44
Yeah, and it seems to...
47:47
So that friend I made, he actually was an amateur boxer.
47:50
He never went professional.
47:52
He's the same age as Takuma and Seiya.
47:56
That's why he spent a bunch of money to come to Tokyo and watch the fight.
48:00
He never fought them.
48:03
He's bigger, but he fought in the same tournaments as them and knew them.
48:10
And we were discussing Japanese style and he's like, yeah, I...
48:16
Boxing style.
48:17
He's like, yeah, the Japanese fighters are really told to make it exciting.
48:22
Wow.
48:23
Like, coaches give old school speeches of like, you're not just here to win, you're
48:33
here to entertain people.
48:36
And he's like, they never really teach us a whole bunch of slick defense because that's
48:41
not the point of boxing.
48:42
The point of boxing is to go out and entertain the crowd and show your heart and your...
48:47
I'm like, man, that's bad.
48:50
Yeah.
48:51
I get it.
48:54
Some American boxing has gotten too far the other way.
48:57
But teach your guys to move their fucking head a little bit.
49:01
But also, I mean, that's one person's opinion and maybe he just had a shitty coach.
49:06
Who knows?
49:07
Yeah.
49:08
I think that the way that the...
49:10
People also misunderstand the Mexican style a lot.
49:16
The old adage or not adage, but in Discord the adage, like the flat footed Mexican.
49:22
That's no, man.
49:23
I don't know if you think...
49:24
I don't know.
49:25
I think you understand what you're looking at because the defense is more in the pocket
49:29
and it's not so much avoiding punches as it is deflecting them.
49:34
It looks like something's landing, but it really isn't.
49:37
Yeah.
49:38
And I do think the Japanese boxers do a little more of that.
49:43
They're blocking as opposed to rolling.
49:46
Blocks and parries.
49:47
Yeah.
49:48
But when you throw a punch, they don't get their head offline ever.
49:55
Something that's...I like the shift of the Mexican boxing culture.
50:01
It's not Julio Cesar Chavez anymore, where it's what I just described, like the in the
50:07
pocket brawling type that has a lot more nuance than people realize.
50:13
But more the way Nacho Berestain used to train guys, the way that Rudy's training Nakatani.
50:21
During the wake, like Canelo, Marquez, Juan Francisco Estrada.
50:26
These guys are a lot more technically sound.
50:31
And Nakatani is displaying that a lot with his counterpunching.
50:34
When you have a really aggressive fucking 76 and 1, now 2 fighter coming at you, just
50:42
let him throw what he wants and find a spot because you're better, you're sharper, you're
50:48
stronger.
50:49
Let him throw himself out.
50:51
Yeah.
50:52
And Nakatani has gotten really good at fitting those punches in between shots.
50:58
Yeah.
50:59
This is like perfect example.
51:00
Like I really expected better from Astralabio than I did from Salapat.
51:06
I thought Salapat would be a KO1 and Astralabio would be maybe 6, 7.
51:14
Probably who's 76 and like 1 is going to be tough though.
51:20
I was saying this in Discord.
51:21
I'm like, Nakatani is going to win.
51:24
For sure.
51:25
And Nakatani is probably going to get a knockout.
51:27
Like I was calling a knockout, but I was like, it's not going to be in the first two rounds.
51:33
Like this guy's getting the shit kicked out of him in Thailand.
51:36
He can take a hit.
51:38
Like.
51:39
Yeah.
51:40
I'm not, I am more than certain that it's not just 76 and 1 in boxing.
51:48
That he's also doing Muay Thai or whatever the fuck is paying.
51:53
That's what I'm doing.
51:54
Yeah.
51:55
Yeah.
51:56
And Nakatani punches hard, but he does not punch harder than a T-kick.
52:01
Nobody does.
52:02
But yeah, no, I have no idea who beats Nakatani.
52:06
I don't think anybody at this weight class even comes close right now.
52:11
Nakatani is looking so good.
52:12
I would like to see Bam come up and fight Nakatani.
52:16
That's what I want to see.
52:17
I know everybody's talking about Bam versus Inoue, but.
52:21
Nah, not yet.
52:23
Bam versus Nakatani I think would be a hell of a fight.
52:27
Bam versus Punch Burger would be really fun.
52:30
Yeah, it really would.
52:32
I'm sure Punch Burger probably loses that, but I'm also sure it would be fight of the
52:37
year contender.
52:38
Yeah, I don't know what you do with Nakatani.
52:43
I mean, I think Nakatani could move up in weight.
52:47
He's definitely got the frame to move up in weight.
52:49
Tall enough for sure.
52:51
But he also seems to make Bantam weight super easy.
52:55
Like he never looks drained.
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I don't know how the hell he made 115.
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That's wild.
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He makes it look easy.
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I've never once seen Nakatani and went, oh, that was a bad weight cut.
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Yeah.
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Well, I think that's all we have.
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So that's going to be the end of it.
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Do we need to?
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Parting words?
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Me and you are shit at parting words.
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Ah, yeah, I know.
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Just what I've been doing recently has all been about voting and stuff.
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So with that- That didn't work.
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Yeah, apparently not.
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Lace up those boots and get ready to work.
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That's really all I have.
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It's a little bit of a hopeful, hopeful push.
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I have something slightly more fun.
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So nobody in the world probably cares, except Canada.
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But it's the CFL Playoffs, the Canadian Football League.
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And my home province team, the Saskatchewan Rough Riders, have made the Western Final
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against our Uber rivals, the Winnipeg Blue Bombers.
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So I need everybody to cheer for the Ryderz this weekend.
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Honestly, the Rough Riders is the only name that I know from CFL.
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Yeah, it's because at one point there was two teams.
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Yeah, exactly.
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And it made it to the Simpsons.
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Yes.
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So I have a funeral shroud.
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Well, we'll see how much of that estate planning goes into the final.
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But yeah, that's it for the JP special.
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We're going to try to get back on track here.
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So we'll see you when we see you.