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Unmasking Monsters: Kevin Keppy on the Art of Creature Acting · Cinema Yūgen

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G'day. That's right, it's that time again. Time for Cinema's Little Cat.
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Yes, welcome back Cinema U and our guest Kevin Kepi,
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the 6'5 character and creature actor from California who graduated from the
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Art Institute of Colorado where he earned a degree in computer animation design.
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After college, he returned to Springfield, Missouri where he began his actor
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training in film and theatre.
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For his first play was Dracula by Steve Dietz.
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This would lead him into a journey performing a vast number of creature characters
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and monsters and villains.
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He would go on to play many roles in original and contemporary and classic theatre,
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such as works of Shakespeare's Cyclops by Euripides, No Exit,
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A Christmas Carol and Night of the Living Dead.
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In addition to acting, Kevin has in quick order expanded to a director,
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producer and stage manager in many stage productions.
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While in the theatre, Kevin worked in front of the camera in genres of horror,
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comedy, thrillers, suspense and drama in the areas of movies,
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television, commercials, short films, music videos, web television, and industrials.
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After moving to Los Angeles, he would work on the Disney Plus show,
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The Quest, Paramount Pictures, Movie Smile, and Grimelio Del Toro's Cabinet
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of Curiosities on Netflix, as well as Evil on Paramount+.
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We are very honoured to have this man of many monsters.
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Please welcome Kevin Cappy.
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Hey, guys. How are you doing, Kent? Good to see you. Thank you, mate.
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Thank you for coming on. A real honor and a privilege and a pleasure to have you on Cinema Yugen.
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Hey, listen, I saw a photo of you on one of the many social media platforms
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as Julian Becks Kane from Poltergeist 2.
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Can I tell you my Poltergeist 2 story? Absolutely. Please. I want to hear.
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Poltergeist 2 is the only film I've ever seen that made me throw up quite violently.
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Did you watch it?
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Yeah. Was it at a home or the theater? No, no, no, no, no, not in the theater.
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I had two older cousins with which I watched many inappropriate films.
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For my age at the time.
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And they were great fans of horror films. And we were watching Poltergeist 2
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this one night, and we just had a big dinner.
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And it comes to the scene, of course, where Elmay drinks the tequila and the
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worm is in the tequila. You know the scene.
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And, yeah, took one look after that, after he ralphs up the creature that has
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Julian Beck's face on it.
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And then I grabbed my mouth, hightailed it to the front lawn.
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And yeah, it was the end of the Truman Show, you know, good afternoon,
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good evening, and good night all over the lawn.
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So yeah, when I saw you- Well, I have to say that, yeah, I have to say you're
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not alone in that because I know I've wanted to throw up every time because
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that thing was just terrifying, you know?
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So I get it. I know that as I say to my wife, I was checking every glass for
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floaties after that, you know?
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If there was even a speck of something that wasn't supposed to be there, no, sorry,
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I'll err on the side of caution and not drink anything with anything floating
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in it for a long time after that. I hear you.
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Not your fault or Julian Beck's fault. But, you know, yeah, too much of a good
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dinner and, yeah, just the idea of vomiting up something is so horrendous.
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I hear you. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. That, that, yeah, that left me the same
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impression. And it's almost like what Jaws did for people.
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Like when that movie came out, nobody wanted to go into the water because they are afraid of sharks.
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And then, you know, your experience, you're afraid to drink like anything out
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of a glass and seeing the floaty.
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And, and I still, every time I see like, like a clear bottle or something,
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if I go out, I always look myself too, because, oh God, you know,
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so impressionable, not only being that age, but that kind of,
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it was so such a unique little thing in
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there i was so well done yeah and i think i
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think i mean you know you'd know better than i would having done many films
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of a scary nature that that that ambience and and palpable dread and terror
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if you don't create that in a horror film you can you can end up unintentionally
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funny sometimes if it doesn't come off right true big time troll 2.
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Yeah oh now come on now you're talking about
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movies i love oh no i love
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troll 2 however it might be a serious horror movie so
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yeah no troll troll 2 is impeccable
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there is it is it is peerless in many senses yes
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absolutely it is it
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is one of the true salt gems of our
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of our absolutely yes agreed
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yes yeah yeah i
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had an imaginary friend too but it wasn't my dead grandfather
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yes but mate
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listen i also saw a clip of uh
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shares uber is it uber eats yes yeah
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did you see that on the tv there uber eats no no
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i saw it on the on the internet but though oh okay yeah
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okay but uh yeah you get to hang out with with her
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greatness yes indeed so you're
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you're in australia is that correct yes but yep
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so yeah so that uber eats was made
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for the australian market so for like really on tv.
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Absolutely yeah so that's why like domestically and
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nationally here in the u.s where i am uh friends
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family wouldn't be able to see that unless they saw it
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online but like for your market like if you
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turned on you know the television or something it would probably
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be on there but okay you know you know it's funny you brought
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that up because my wife said that that that's the reason why
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these uh like because arnold schwarzenegger did real estate ads
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here and and and she says yeah but they don't do that in america right they
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only do these ads for like overseas markets because in the states they want
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to be seen as i know i'm a i'm a big star i don't do you know that kind of thing
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so yeah it's it's odd that Yeah, interesting.
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It's odd that it's made for a completely different market and not –.
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Not as you say the domestic audience uh-huh
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is it yeah and that's it yeah you're right
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and it's interesting how the internet works because it
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we can see most of things most things rather than
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like 10 20 years ago something in australia
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or the u.s be very difficult whether it's like even like music
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or movies unless if you have a physical copy or
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something then you know so it's a cool thing about today's age
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is that we do have that availability of the internet you know so what
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was she like she was she was
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yeah she was she was wonderful when i
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got to meet her i worked two days on that commercial and the
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second day i got to meet her on that time and it
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was it was awesome and she was very very wonderful she came out just was very
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present and some people were trying to get her to like keep moving keep moving
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on but she is present right you know because she has she has that power that
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stance they kind of do what she wants to do and say what she wants to say and shook my hand.
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We're just chit-chatting just a little bit about this and that.
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And, you know, in that one particular scene that it was the two of us,
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she was, she had a basic script to go off of, but she was also just kind of
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just ripping it and to some degree and just,
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sorry, riffing it and saying what she wanted to do.
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But she was awesome. She was a wonderful person.
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Wonderful. I mean, I imagine, I mean, I mean.
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I imagine that it doesn't matter how far you get up the ladder in your profession
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or career, you still get starstruck in moments because these are the people that you've watched.
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Same when you work with someone that you've watched and idolized for,
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many a year. Oh, big time. It still was like, wow, you have to sort of pinch yourself.
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Oh, I'm standing next to, add the name here sort of thing.
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Absolutely. Well, I will have to say I'm a big Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis fan.
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And so I had the opportunity to work with David Hulett on Cabinet Curiosities
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on our episode Graveyard Rats.
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He was the main protagonist in that. And so I got to work with him and hang out with him.
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And I'm like, I'm talking to Rodney. I'm talking to Rodney and I'm trying to like, yeah, like cool.
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So, you know, It reminds me of that Matt Damon story that he told me in an interview
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many years ago when he was at the Oscars and he went into the bathroom and he's
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taking a leak at the urinals.
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The next minute Charlton Heston walks in and, uh, and stands next to him and
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you tell me, you know, Oh my God, it's Moses.
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Wow. And like, you know, you feel the air get sucked out of the room. Yeah. Yeah.
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Do I say something? Do I do something? Yeah. I know.
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Yes. Yeah. Unlike my experience, one time I was in the Brisbane International
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Airport taking a link and this really big, tall fellow came and stood next to me.
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And, you know, for the time that we were there, I recognized his face,
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but his name just wouldn't come to my tongue.
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And we're walking out and my friends were waiting for me across the way and
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they go oh my god it's Shaquille O'Neal oh that's it Shaquille O'Neal and I
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turned to him I go Shaquille O'Neal he's like yeah and he shook my head I was
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like sorry I was standing there for like minutes standing here trying to figure
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out who you were because it just didn't,
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It just didn't come straight away, you know? It was like my wife's a big Nick
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Frost fan, and we were at a convention once, and I'm standing behind this guy
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in line for coffee, and I'm looking at him going, I've seen you somewhere before.
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Where do I know your face?
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And I was standing behind Nick Frost for like 15 minutes.
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Wow, that's cool. And then it finally dawned on me, oh, God,
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it's Nick Frost, because he gave me the little smile when he turned and walked
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away. and the funny thing that came out of my mouth was, I thought you would
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have someone to do that for you.
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And he said, no, they always get the coffee wrong. You know, like, so. Yeah.
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And I go, that's cool. I'm sorry. That's very cool.
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But yeah, I'm terrible. I'm terrible that way.
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Because in the moment, like you see the face and you're like, oh, you.
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What's his name? I know. But the face is very impeccable.
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You're right. That is, I mean, we're just kind of just going,
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talking, talking here, but going off.
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I think it's always very interesting. Whenever I, I'm originally from the Midwest,
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Midwest in the U.S., Missouri, in Iowa.
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And anyways, when I moved to L.A., I get that experience all the time where
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you walk into a Trader Joe's or a grocery store or whatever, this shop, this store.
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And everybody looks at you and they're studying you
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just like you're like they're trying to figure you out like who
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are you i know you're somebody and then they kind of give up
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and they look away it's a very interesting thing that happens here
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in la is that like you walk into a store and everybody stares at you is it true
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that there's a lot of like celebrities just casually walking around there like
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they when when people talk to me they go australia isn't there like a dangerous
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animal waiting for you behind every floorboard yeah is it true that there is it true there's a lot of.
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You know oh my god there's so and so i think
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it depends it depends of where you're at necessarily definitely
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certain areas can people can
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be walking around also too i also don't
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know a whole lot of names i know the people that i have to
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worry about going out for it yeah exactly but
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people do walk around i remember i was in this place called
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a atwater village and i was getting
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coffee just hanging out it's a nice little like villagey kind of part
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of la and someone walked by me
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and i looked at him and i'm
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a big smashing pumpkins fan and it was james eha and
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his two kids i'm like james eha is down here on the sidewalk on a sunday afternoon
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with his two kids and and that's what but you know that's just one of those
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things that he just walked by me and so it occasionally happens but it also
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depends of where you're at in la necessarily yeah yeah and And who would go out to do that?
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It should be a fun game, you know, spotless celebrity. Yeah.
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But listen, I'm always, always interested to talk to gentlemen who spend a lot
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of their time underneath makeup.
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And you talked about in other interviews that there's a great physicality involved.
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And I've seen you when you're describing certain scenes and characters. I see you yourself.
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It's very physical. It's like almost, you know, getting back to where we started
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our conversation, regurgitation.
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Almost as if the character comes up through you, you know,
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like I've seen you do like bits on interviews, you know, well,
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I had to become a witch and you, you know, you take on this immediately, the character sort of,
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you know, comes from somewhere internal and works its way through your limbs and your face.
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And is is yes is that
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is that more of the key when
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you're covered in so much prosthetics that has to be
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more physical because they can't actually see you you emote
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you can't you can't see you emote emotionally you
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have to emote physically absolutely and
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it kind of it depends if depends what
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the character is because sometimes you you might
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just need to be like a big troll and a troll is
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going to be moving big and like whatever you
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know it's very dominating dominating and maybe you have to be slow and
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just very powerful and maybe the troll has
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a line or maybe the troll doesn't have a line but maybe the troll has
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a line and you're covered in maybe you're wearing like a foam latex mask or
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a whole whole suit and so it depends there are thin pieces of prosthetics available
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whether it's silicone or foam latex but there's also like thicker pieces And
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so just depending on what the pieces are,
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the thicker the piece, the more it's just, it's interesting that.
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You either have to move it more or you have to move it less depending of what it is.
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Because sometimes if I do like that, I really have to push the makeup to, to move.
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But sometimes if I also do do that, it, it, it also makes it too much.
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And so, and he also had to be very mindful of like where the,
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where the camera is, because it's just like, it's something I,
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it's a very big challenge for me is that I'm very of
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expression in it and I can go big and you know
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you know it's hard for me to like be small
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or whatnot it's a challenge for me to know where
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my limit is and so if depending on
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where the camera is and what the makeup is like how much
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do I need to push the makeup and then where is the camera in relationship to
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me and like because you don't want to go too big of it if it's a close-up but
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you also want to make sure that you're doing what you need to do so it's very
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it's very challenging because it's
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almost like an intuitive thing that the practice and to see how that goes.
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And then if you do that shoot and then you see how it looks like afterward and
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you do the mental note, oh, I could have done this bigger.
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I could have done this smaller. I wish I would have done that differently.
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So you're just constantly making these mental notes for next time.
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Because unfortunately, a lot of times, at least whenever I'm on set,
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I don't get the opportunity to look at the monitor or even the daily to see like.
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If i can adjust something um right yeah i
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would like to be able to i love to be able to do a take and and
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then do a playback yeah just to
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have a just do a playback and see like that's too
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much that's too little it will the light will look better
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if it casts a shadow over here and so i'll try
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that out so sometimes when productions are
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just moving and rolling and flowing that
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you know you don't get the opportunity to you know
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to adjust like for instance i did
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this this one show called the evil on a paramount
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plus uh joel harlow and his product his
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his shop morphology did the suit i
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was wearing for a character called demon of words
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and it was in the last the last
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season of the show and anyways this character had
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multiple stages of this this makeup look
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so i was wearing this last stage i was wearing a big like
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fat suit like big big big i had one eye covered
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i could hardly hear i had like multiple things in my
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mouth and i was standing there for a while.
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It was super heavy super hot and very.
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A lot of fatiguing very fatiguing and anyways so
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they did uh the close-ups the mediums the
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wides of of me and also the main cast that
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were in the room the human cast and then they they
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left they exited the set and then it
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was just me and they're going to do a close-up of me and they
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only got one close-up and so so and
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i didn't know exactly how the camera was going to go so it just
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came in like we're action and then it's coming
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in and you're just like trying to do your best you
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can and then that's all they took was that
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one that one take and i asked them do i get it
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do i get another take because i would have loved to have
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used the mouth differently or the eye
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you know or whatever or maybe do a little chuckle things
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that you discover but like that's all we have time for is
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that one take so right so unfortunately fortunately unfortunately
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it is really up we have
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to be very knowledgeable very skilled and informed of
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how to do certain things but a lot of times it
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just comes down to instinct and that's just generally what acting is
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about i mean besides training and all that stuff is just
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just being you and your instinct and and
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knowing what the medium is and and just trusting it trusting it and trusting
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yourself and just perform because you may have like three to five seconds and
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that's it so you need to hit you have to hit it be ready hit it and then and
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that's it so it's very it's very interesting.
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For makeups how that goes and of
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course like that's one aspect of doing like a monster makeup but
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there's also things that like gary oldman has worn as
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like churchill which is a big suit and
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you know and that's also that's also different
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that's a likeness makeup is like for
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winston churchill versus like me as this big
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bad demon that's nobody nobody's ever
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seen before i i have more liberty is to be big or
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whatever but uh but if there's
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a camera up close uh doing a close-up on on
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gary oldman as as churchill you know he
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has a light likeness makeup and so you have
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to be very careful of how because you want to look
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real you want to do too much or too little so it's it's
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very challenging but that's why i feel it's very
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important to do before you go you know
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in the rehearsal process at home and doing your homework finding
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what looks good for the character your voice movement all
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that kind of stuff lines of course motivations all that
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stuff but when you get to set and when you get the makeup on and hopefully you
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get a test makeup done but most of the time you don't or some of the time you
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don't and but once you get that makeup on hopefully you have at least a minute
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or two to look in the mirror and see see what looks good see who you are what to do,
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what looks big, you know, what looks scary.
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So it's that mirror is your best friend. Right. Yeah.
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I imagine, I've always imagined, regardless of the amount of prosthetics or
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even just makeup, when, when an actor looks in the mirror after they say, okay, you're done.
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And you open your eyes or whatever, and you look at yourself for the first time.
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I imagine that a lot of the character comes from that first glance,
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like, oh, this is who I am. Totally.
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I'm a witch or monster, vampire, zombie, all the things that you want,
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part of your complete breakfast, right? I mean.
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Oh, big time. Yeah, absolutely.
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Yeah. It's a very, I mean, it's art. it's
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it's this creation you know and and i'm
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i'm like a perfectionist and so i i beat up
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myself maybe too much to try to like make sure to do
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the best i can to or to execute what i
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want to do for the character and to and to justify
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what the character is doing what the makeup artists have done all
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the shop work that's been done for that character what the writer
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intends the director intends and so there's a
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lot of pressure there so us as
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actors i think just us as people as creatives or
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anybody in this world just taking that
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and then just doing the best you can with it and but but
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it all comes down to instinct and just just acting and just
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just just go just do it you know and trusting there are
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certain is a certain creature that you haven't played that you
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get that you're uh you're eager to have
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a go at well i always wanted
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to play count or lock from nostratu
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yeah however everybody did
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you want to play like the newer version or did you want to go with
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the kinsky version definitely the kinsky the well
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yeah definitely i like the
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kinsky but i think it's original version but really whatever
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the the non-edgar's version i
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guess right the original like you know the original
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look the fingers you know and grotesque looking
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i would love to play that character of course i love that character because.
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You started off in a dracula play didn't you way back i did yes which is right
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there on my wall there you go.
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Yeah yeah yeah and did you play did you play dracula in it or a vampire of,
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of any description? Thankfully, I did not play Dracula because it would have,
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it would have, it would have been too much for me.
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For my first official play, I played, I think three or four different types
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of vampires and, uh, Dracula's assistant. Oh, okay. I can't, I can't.
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Yeah. Well, it was, there was a Renfield. My, my good friend,
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TJ Peterson played Renfield. Amazing job. Uh, he lives here in LA.
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And so, but this was just a character. I don't know if he was in the actual,
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he must i don't know if he's actually in the script or not but
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my friend nathan at least had him there and but he
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was like the dracula comes in
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as harker on both on stage right and then
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i come in from from stage right as well from but down on the stage and i'm like
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handing him like dracula like a drink or something and you know i'm just being
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creepy and eerie you know just for ambiance and atmosphere but as my friend
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nathan the director said you know i'm drawing too much focus I'm drawing more focus from Dracula,
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therefore upstaging Dracula.
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And so he had me like every night he'd move me a little bit further to stage right to get me off.
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You know, so I'm not so visibly seen because I was smiling and doing fingers.
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I had long nails on and stuff.
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So it was real fun. But that show just really set the course for my direction,
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for who I want to be as a creative person, as a performer, and the community
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involved for theater and also film.
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And believe it or not, I've played so many vampires. I've done so many different
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vampire makeups. But my first actual vampire...
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Film i did on a short film a couple months ago right
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um so that'll be coming out soon that'll
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be that's a fun little one and yes i'm
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looking forward to that because you have uh people can follow you
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of course we'll put links in the description you have your website and
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your instagram is that where people can correct yeah
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check out all your stuff so do you have any
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other big any other big films that you've you've
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got coming soon to a theater near
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you well we'll see if it comes to a theater
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or not i just or a stream yeah um
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i do thankfully even though this this industry the
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film industry has very been slow still but i've been grateful to to do some
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work and some good work with some good people so i have this one it's definitely
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announced as i'm it's on imdb called uh the wolf and the lamb it's like it's
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a vampire western that after world uh Sorry,
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set after the Civil War in the U.S.
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And it's a really good film.
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And believe it or not, I was thinking I would be playing a vampire,
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but I don't play a vampire. So I play like a normal guy.
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But I love the role. It's meaty.
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I have a Southern accent. He's very angry now.
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He's sitting behind a bar and he don't take anything from anyone. So it's a fun role.
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That should be coming out this year. I also just wrapped on one film two or
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three weeks ago with two A-list actors in there as super awesome ladies.
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And that one should be coming out this year as well.
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That one hasn't been announced yet, but I play something mischievous in it and a little scary.
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So that one's good. And I'm going back to Montana to wrap a production that
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I began late last year. So I'm going there in early May to, to,
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to, uh, finish that photography and that character.
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And that's a fun one as well. So I don't think that one has been announced either.
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So, but yeah, there's, there's a few things down the line, which is forward to from Kevin.
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Thank you. Yeah. Lots to look forward to, mate.
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It's been a pleasure talking with you. You know, it's, it's hard to tell from
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here, but I know that you're a very, very tall lad. You sure basketball didn't
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factor in there at some point.
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I do like basketball. I played a little bit in the park board in high school,
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but the high school basketball teacher didn't like me.
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I guess I was too geeky, too nerdy, and then he, whatever.
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But I do like the shoes. You're like 6'5", nearly 6'6", right?
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Yeah, indeed. 6'5", with no shoes on, with shoes, 6'6", 6'5". Yeah, 6'5".
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Because it was a matter of say, you've got the legs for it if you want to pick
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up a Spaulding and show him his boss,
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you've got the you've got the reach it sounds like i know
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absolutely too i also do fencing as well and
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fencing is very fun for me with my long arm so well mate
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look it's been a pleasure talking with you all the
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best on all the projects i've loved all the work you've done so far
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i hope that you succeeded at getting to.
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Play orlock and all the the marvelous
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creatures that uh inhabit the dark
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recesses of the minds of uh
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of of horror filmmakers and storytellers
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and all 100 yes i
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agree yeah thank you cat i appreciate it yes and some more
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good things to come for sure yes that's great and it's
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been a real pleasure mate and i i hope it all goes well
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and we at cinema you can look forward to your
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further adventures in the makeup out
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of the makeup uh on the stage on
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the screen big and small kevin keppy
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we love to see them all check out
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the links in the description instagram and he's
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got a website and a lot of cool stuff it sounds on the way kevin thank you my
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friend for being on cinema yugen oh appreciate it ken so i'm so glad to be on
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here so anytime i'd love to get love to talk with you again yes kevin keppy
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the man of many monsters wonderful gentlemen.
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We look forward to more from Kevin.
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Please check the links to Kevin's social media links and his website in the description.
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And as always my little Eugenites, thank you for listening to us on Spotify
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or wherever you choose to listen to your favourite podcasts.
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I'm Kent Hill and until next time, you've been listening to Cinema Eugenite.
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Music.