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Mysteries of the San Luis Valley · Spinning the Light Podcast

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Hello. And welcome to two girls in the
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pod. I'm Sharon.
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I'm Christy. Hope all of you are doing well.
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You know it's interesting because sometimes I'll talk with
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different people about our podcast, people who listen.
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What would you like to hear and go this.
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Last week I was talking to somebody and they said, you
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know, I really enjoyed hearing stuff about like the paranormal,
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the. The things like that and set
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about doing another episode, those ones are kind of fun and
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we have like three of them. I think now this will be the
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4th. Well, and I think it's really
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interesting because I think people are just drawn once again
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to that unknown and that that idea of trying to figure it out.
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It's like this puzzle, you know, trying to put all these pieces
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together, don't you think? I mean, I I don't know well how
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exciting too because one aspect of those like we're talking
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about is Ufo's or Uap's and that has been a huge thing even in
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media lately. Government coming at forth and
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saying, yeah, we don't know everything that's in our sky and
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I think it's it really sparked more interest for people.
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Well, I think there's that and I think there's more, you know, I
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mean, go to Discovery Plus or whatever, and history, whatever
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they are. And you know, there's more on
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Bigfoots, there's more on these unknown things that.
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People are just fascinated with like we do.
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We love Discovery Plus. Yes, we do.
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And I think the reason why is once again cuz what I love is
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when we we watch these programs and then we have these
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conversations. That's one of the things I love
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the most because I feel like that those kind of programs at
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least for us really spark great conversation.
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And I think that it's really cool cuz it just gets you
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thinking, you know what of all the possibilities and what ifs.
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And I think that's what it is too.
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And I think when maybe when I was talking to the person,
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that's it, You know, it's just it's that fascination with that
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unknown. Yeah.
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And there's some people that are just completely afraid of it and
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do not want to have anything to do with that, I mean.
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Like we've mentioned our friend June.
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Then there's Kathy Weber Friend Kathy Weber.
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That's what I was gonna say is remember in one of the previous
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episodes, I think that you mentioned about we maybe we can
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get her to go down there some with us sometime.
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And you know, we've still not got her to go back there.
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She's done with that place. She's been there once and, you
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know, made the whole judgment about it.
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The thing that is, I think, important is because the Valley
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has such a rich history. It is an old history, yeah.
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And it it's a fascinating place. I mean, you can look up the San
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Luis Valley and even just some of its geological features and
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that it's the highest Alpine valley in the world at 7500 feet
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and it's 122 miles long by like 78 miles.
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It is huge and it has such an interesting feel.
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Well, it's geologically. Different too, you know?
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Yeah. And it's got these mountain
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ranges all the way around it. So it's like you could close it
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off. I mean it's just it has such an
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interesting feel when you go there.
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And different people have mentioned that and I know a lot
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of people have been there because of the sand dunes which
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are in Alamosa or close to Alamosa, those sand dunes within
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themselves this, it's sort of anomalous.
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It's right at the foot of the Sangree, the Crystal Mountains,
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but some of those sand dunes are 750 feet tall.
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And trust me, you'll feel that if you're ever walking them,
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yeah. But there's so many fascinating
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things about it in that way alone, and so many stories that
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have been born out of that location from different cultures
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and just people that have visited there.
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I had never heard of the San Luis Valley before and my
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parents and I came to Colorado. They moved to the Western Slope
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Palisade and I had never been there.
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But for whatever reason, I mean, I started going to Mesa State
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College in Grand Junction and one of the sister colleges was
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Adam State. And for whatever reason, I just
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wanted to. I wanted to look into it.
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So I did and ended up making a trip to the valley prior to even
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meeting you and that being your birthplace.
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And for some reason when I went there, I just knew that I was
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going to be there at some point. And it's interesting because you
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know I'm from city, it's not a big city area.
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It has all these little towns. There are six counties that the
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valley encompasses and partials of three others.
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So it's a huge valley, but there's not a lot of business
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there, not a lot of industry. It's very small town feel, but
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for whatever. Lot of farmland and a lot of
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cattle and stuff like that. Absolutely, yes.
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I don't know. I was so drawn to go to Adam
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State and ended up going there. That's where I got my undergrad.
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Even when you said that, I remember my friend Jake.
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I can't remember where he was from, but they happen to be
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driving through the valley and he tells his wife, we're going
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to live here. And she goes, what?
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So they moved to Cresto. That's the exact same thing.
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That's simplistic. It was like it dropped in my
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head. It was like you're going to live
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here at some point. Well, and that was him they were
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driving through and then it was like, no, we're going to live
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here. And they moved to Cresto and
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that's How I Met him. We work together at mental
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Health and. We were talking about that when
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he goes, it was just there. It was just like, I knew it.
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It wasn't like they were planning to move.
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It was like, Oh yeah, this is what we're going to do.
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And I think there's a feel. And I know for me, as soon as if
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we're going in for 160, as soon as you get the top of La Vida
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Pass, right. As soon as you get that, you
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start entering the valley. For me, there is a feel.
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The valley has a feel. It's almost a life of its own.
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I don't know how to explain it. It almost feels very mystical.
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Yeah. OK.
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That's a good word for it. You know, I never thought of it
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that way, but yeah. Oh yeah, I know that.
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I've heard other people from the San Luis Valley describe it in
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that way. When they get there, it does.
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It has this mystical feel to it. There's a mystery surrounding
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it. Well, and I think the other
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thing is, is, you know, like I said, it has such a rich
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history, rich culture. Yet I know there were several
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Native American tribes in that area back of the day.
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I know that one of the primary groups was the Ute Indians.
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And they said that they were pretty much driven out by like
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the 19 or sorry 1850s. And apparently there were some
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hostile encounters after that time with the Native Americans
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in that area. That makes me think of, you
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know, because we watched Skinwalker Ranch and that talks
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about the history of the Ute in the Navajo.
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Yeah, And what the Navajo did to the Ute.
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And that and so which Apparently it sounds like they kind of
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enslave them in a way. And and.
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Well, yeah, it was not a good. It was in a good history, right?
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And about putting a curse on them.
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Yes. So that's where Skinwalker comes
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from. It's it's the curse, but isn't
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interesting. We have the you in the valley,
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in the San Luis Valley, and another atrocity happens to
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them. They lose their home, they lose
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their lands, all of that kind of stuff.
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We have a lot of weirdness there.
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You know, we watched Kimaka Ranch and then they have all
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this weirdness there. Is there some connection?
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I don't know. I just think it's a fascinating
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correlation, you know, which is kind of interesting and I know
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that there are many, many stories of strange and unusual
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even from the Native Americans. I mean we've gone and visited
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the museum down there and they have found some depictions on
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some of the stones that it, I think they call them the Ant
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people and interesting images. Grew up with knowing the story
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of the Ant people and the Native Americans who would they had the
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sacred place and they would go and they would go to see the Ant
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people and and it was every so many years it wasn't a
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continuous thing it was just it was like a cleansing of the
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earth or whatever they called it and but the only thing is is
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nobody else could know where they went and people respected
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that Of course then they got followed by could have been
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government agencies we don't know.
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But after that they never came back, yeah, because they were
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followed to the location, correct?
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And it's that, it seems like from what I've heard was that
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they went to an area that's like in the mountain, like Mirror
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Lake or somewhere something like that.
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The location was always kept secret, you know, and people
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respected that because that was their a piece of their heritage,
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their culture, you know. And I think when you look back
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in the Santos Valley, people were very respectful of those
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things, of whatever that belief system was or whatever that was.
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So to understand in the Santos Valley it was Native Americans
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who and then the Spaniards came and the Spaniards settled.
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So that's where you get the mysticio.
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So we got the Native American and then the, then the span your
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blood together and so that became.
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That culture of the San Luis Valley.
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So it blended those two cultures together.
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And then and we've talked about this, you know, in the valley
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people are very their belief system is very important to
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them. So we have what are called the
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Brujas, which is the witches and then the good and data which is
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like a healer kind of thing in the valley.
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People very much believed you could be in Buha.
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That mean a curse could be put upon you and it was very real.
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So you have something similar in Louisiana where they do the
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voodoo. Ours is just in the valley.
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It was just called something very different.
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It was once again to being blue Ha, that amount that you had a
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curse put upon you, and to remove that curse you needed a
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Coudan beta. And this is very still very
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prevalent even today, because I know that you have talked about
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being a therapist down there, that you had people that
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approached you. Because of those very things,
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yeah. If they really felt they were in
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blue, ha, that or. Then you know you and in fact it
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was so funny because I went, I was working in the West on the
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Western Slope, but there was a guy from the San Luis Valley and
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part of his thing was is he really felt he was in Bruhala,
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that his ex had basically put a curse on him and got a Bruha to
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put the curse on him. And it was very real to him.
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He would talk to other people about that and they they did not
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understand what he was saying. So when he as soon as he said, I
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said we were in the group and he said about me, I said whoa.
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I said, are you from the San Luis Valley?
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He goes, yes, he goes, how did you know?
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I said you never got a cut on Beta.
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And just the feel of he goes, nobody's ever understood me.
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It was so powerful. It was so powerful because those
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things are rich within a person. And when we look at that, we
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look at the geography of the Valley, it's different.
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Does that have something to do with it?
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I don't know. But.
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You know, if you haven't been to the Salmons Valley, Oh my gosh,
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you got to go. Yes, you got to experience it
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with an open mind. Yes, talk to the people.
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The locals have got plenty of stories.
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There are so many strange and unusual things there.
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I know one of the places that we've heard a lot about and have
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not been to really want to, as called Gravity Hills.
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And apparently it's like the rules of gravity do not apply.
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You can see videos and stuff like that, but we actually have
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gravity hill also in the valley. So if you park your vehicle at
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an angle, if it's going downhill, you know gravity takes
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you downhill. And in this case, it'll move
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your vehicle uphill, yeah. So our magnetic, the magnetic
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field, there's a little bit different, yes.
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Apparently, from what I have read and seen, the
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electromagnetic field of the San Luis Valley reaches higher into
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space than any other place in the world.
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And the only other place that comes close is Denver, Co, which
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is really interesting to me. I don't know if any of that
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plays anything into any of this, but I thought that that was so
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strange. Well, you know we even talked
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about you know when we talked about the valley and you know
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the cattle mutilations and of course you know it all start
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down there started with snippy the horse and just and I don't
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think people understand what that meant.
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So if your cattle die in, they're out in the field.
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It takes a long time for the sun to remove the flesh and all of
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that, and for the bones to bleach white.
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These were things that were happening within a short period
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of time. Very anomalous.
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Yeah, the farmer come out there and see the animal, fine,
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upright, moving around, whatever, and maybe an hour to
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however many hours later. Just a small amount of time to
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come back and find their cattle, or in this case with Snippy, the
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horse completely mutilated and the bone bleached white in that
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amount of time. Yeah, the fluids taken out and
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stuff like that. And there's nothing around that
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to show that, Yeah. And nothing showing that there
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were any kind of predators to attack.
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And it didn't even make any sense because of how it was
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done. And I think that's what is such
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a strange thing there is that things happen, you know?
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I know. Even at the where we live the
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day going out to the corral and the our stallion is acting weird
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and they're like, whoa, what is wrong with you?
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And he kept circling the mayor, one of our mayors and just
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circling circling. But he was so agitated and so
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finally went and looked and the mayor, that the side of the
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mayor was like cut and I could see, you could see the internal
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organs. It was there they were partly
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hanging out. It was so bizarre.
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But she wasn't in distress, which was very strange.
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Yeah, she. Did.
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She was not in distress. And the bizarre thing is it just
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healed. No vet.
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No, she just healed. You couldn't see it.
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It was it was so bizarre. And then you Fast forward and we
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had my parents raised pigs and we had one that would we you
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kind had to keep. The pig separate because was
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really mean, aggressive big one, big, big, big, big pig.
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None of us wanted to go feed that pig.
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Even she was just mean and Moody.
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Mean, Moody and just freaking Oh my God, you couldn't get by her.
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She was just horrible. I don't even know why we kept
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that stupid thing other than the fact that it was very big.
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I think we eventually sold it. I don't know.
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But anyway, this is long after I had graduated and stuff and
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where I was out watering and stuff and.
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The other thing that was really weird about the horse thing is
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there was no blood because it snowed.
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So I'm trying to find the trace of the blood, you know,
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wherever, find out, you know, what is this?
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But it didn't look like if an animal attacked it because it
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didn't have like teeth marks or stuff like that.
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It wasn't like that was very strange.
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Anyway, this pig go out there and the pig is docile.
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And I am totally confused by this because you got that it's
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Nordic, It was just me. You know, they're like, what the
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heck is going on here? So I get up and climb the fence
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and go to the other side of the corral so I can see at a
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different angle into the pan. And on her side is this perfect
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cut out with like if you were going to skin something, two
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different angles, yes. So it looked like a flap of skin
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had been cut at a corner angle like and peeled back.
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Yes. And how you did that with that.
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When I say she was mean, I am not kidding.
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Once again, that just healed. And believe it or not, after
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that she was not aggressive, which was very strange.
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But I remember seeing these things thinking what on earth
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you have to understand when I say she was so mean.
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That's why we had to keep her. That why my dad kept her in just
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her own pen. So many anomalous things there,
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and whether it be around UFO's, paranormal we've talked many of
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the houses that we rented throughout the valley while we
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were there attending college, and just different different
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strangeness that happened. I think there is such a
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curiosity. I guess I don't know what it is.
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I think there is, you know, we talked about the unknown and and
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just all the possibilities. I think that that's what it is
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for people. And sometimes people go down and
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say, hey, will you go, let's go, drive around, look for UFO's.
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But I will do that we have. And we did that with my niece,
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with my sisters, to her nephews. So we got it's night when we
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went up. We're UFO.
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Watching Oh yeah, because you have to understand.
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To the sky there is so dark. It's one of the dark skies.
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So Oh my gosh. To see, yeah, the National Sand
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Dunes Park has been declared one of the dark park areas and but
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the whole San Luis Valley because there's not a lot like I
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said there it's a lot of farmers a lot of fields.
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It is very dark throughout the valley and the amazing skies.
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Oh my God, the stars are you can see millions.
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Yes. So we go out, we're looking
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around and we started by going east of town first.
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So we're driving up east. And why did we even slow down?
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We slowed down because we kept seeing a little red light in one
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of the fields. Tiny.
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When we're going east, though, but you're talking about the D
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Mountain, yeah. Yes.
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There was a little tiny red light that kept showing up in
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the grass not far even from the car.
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And so that's what made us stop. And then as we stopped and we're
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trying to figure out what this was, it sounded like something
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came up and tapped on the trunk of the car.
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And we all turn around. Look, there is nothing back
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there. Y'all.
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And of course I'm driving which. I we already know.
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She freezes and we're there. Go, go, go and she slams on the
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brakes. Well, I was already pretty much
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stopped, but. But it's holding the brake that
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would be like, Oh my gosh, go, yeah, but you know what year
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then? But you know, that did not
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detour us. Yeah.
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So we went to the other side. So then we went east and we're
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driving east and we're driving east.
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And we get to this one road. And I said, well, let's go on
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ahead and turn N on it. And there's a big street light,
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Big street light. OK.
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So we have our windows down because, you know, we want to be
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able to hear, you know, and all that.
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I don't know. They say you don't hear UF O's.
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I don't know what we're trying to hear.
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But anyway, so we make the turn and we're we haven't gone very
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far and all of a sudden we smell the most God awful.
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Smell like rotting flesh. It was like something was dead.
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Even beyond that, it was like that.
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But it wasn't. It was not bad and that present
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and but it and you didn't smell it right away.
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Yeah, I mean it was that fast. No, it just started while we
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were sitting. It just came because we were
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sitting there and so it wasn't there.
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And then all of a sudden it was just there.
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And it was so funny, cuz the little boy in the back, that
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wasn't me, OK? Everybody smelled it, but he's
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the one who said it first. That wasn't me and the world.
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They're like, what is that smell?
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But then the other odd thing was it became pitch black.
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Yeah, even the light from the street light was not casting
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over there. It was really bizarre.
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It was so. It was like it enveloped us.
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It was. Yeah, it was so insane.
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And it was one of those things once again, roll up the windows.
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And let's go. Let's get out.
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So that was the end of our UFO hunting that night with them.
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I was there like, oh, we did take him to the Atencio house
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though, too. Yeah, the Atencio House, we've
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mentioned that and we've had Charlene on and.
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Yeah, that's the house she grew up in.
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And she did an interview with us, and we, and if you haven't
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listened to that one, you really should.
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That's our Unexplained Part 2. But you know, yeah, she talked
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about that and even the Atencio house, you know, one night your
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mom and your brother were so fascinating with that house.
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And we had taken them a couple of times and then this other
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time we took them, they them, their pictures.
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So once again, you know I'll take picture, but I won't look.
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Well, and that's a kind of a the intensive house kind of iconic
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in the in the Del or area especially.
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So many people have heard the stories about it and so a lot of
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times we will. Whenever we've gone back there,
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we've driven around it. Snap some pictures of that
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because you will see unusable things in it quite often.
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That one particular time we took our pictures and then we went
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back home. We didn't look at them there.
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We just kind of went back home and we were looking through the
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pictures and there were orbs, yeah, But when you looked at the
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orb, there were actually faces in the orbs.
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Yeah, that's what it looked like.
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And I know we had that footage somewhat.
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I just don't go from computer to computer and stuff like that
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and. I think I actually have a couple
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of those and I'm, I really would like to post some of them
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because I I think that people would get to find them very
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interesting. But even that, why there are so
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many orbs and you know, you talked about that life that we
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would see and you know, which is another weird thing with that
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Skin Walker Ranch thing because they talk a lot about these
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orange orbs. And even when you see if you
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follow the Bigfoot things, you know, we watch all of those just
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because we find it quite fascinating.
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We like a lot of the people on them too, but they talk about
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those orange orbs or red or maybe different colors.
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A lot of times like an amber color, yes.
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And even that night we were driving when we were driving
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east in the field, we saw that orb just kind of moving with us
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and. Look like it was floating over
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the field? Yeah yeah and and it's weird it
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cuz it follows you. It's not like it just sits.
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It has like movement with you. Yeah, and there's multiple
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stories of that. If you talk to different people
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throughout the valley, many people have experienced that
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there. I know a common place for it is
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7 N in the Valley. I mean, we've seen some strange
22:44
things on that road too, in 7 N runs.
22:47
And so my family home is on 8 N so it was the road right over.
22:52
So you had to drive 7 N to get to our house.
22:56
And yeah, just so many bizarre, strange things, you know, on
23:02
that road. And my brother Ben talking about
23:04
that orb and how it scared him and he, you know, he felt like
23:07
it was keeping pace with him when he was driving at night.
23:11
My uncle talked about that too. And, you know, my uncle didn't
23:15
get scared of a lot of things, but that kind of rattled him a
23:18
little bit. My sister, Alice, she's going
23:22
and it's following right behind her.
23:23
And different people have talked to me about those that those
23:27
orbs on that road and how it's not like it just sits there.
23:31
It follows them and people have had their cars stopped there.
23:35
And it's just a lot of it's fascinating.
23:39
But when it's happening to you, there is a level of fear, and
23:46
it's irrational fear, I want you to know.
23:49
Well, it seems like it, you know because.
23:51
But when you don't know exactly what you're dealing with and you
23:54
can't explain it, yeah, you definitely have that fur factor
23:59
in place. My mom used to get up in the
24:02
middle of the night when she would have to go to the bathroom
24:04
and stuff, and she had a ritual which I thought was interesting.
24:08
She would always look out the window, and when she looks out
24:12
the window, the window, she would look out.
24:14
It faces to the West. And one day we're talking and I
24:17
was telling her about, I said I was telling her that you know
24:20
Christine and I, you know we would go sit outside and I
24:23
remember telling her, yeah, it's so weird mom.
24:25
I said we'll be out there And I said, well watch and we'll see
24:27
the star and you think it's a star.
24:30
Then it moves and then you'll see it just move and it's a
24:33
quick movement. And then it's like, it goes from
24:35
one spot and it will just park in another spot and you're
24:38
they're like, well, wait a minute, what the heck just
24:40
happened here? And when that happens, when it
24:43
parks there, it just then it just looks like a star.
24:46
But you just thought new, clear across the sky and you're.
24:49
It is such a strange experience and I know there have been other
24:53
people that have mentioned that too.
24:55
There are several books about the valley and just strange and
24:59
anomalous things there. One of them is The Mysterious
25:03
Valley by Christopher O'Brien. Christopher O'Brien, yeah.
25:06
And he went and and talked to many of the people in the valley
25:09
and got a collection of stories put together in that book.
25:12
And there were a couple of people that mentioned over by
25:15
the sand dunes having that same experience with something moving
25:19
across the sky like that and even coming close to their
25:21
vehicle, being just however many feet, 3040 feet above their
25:25
vehicle and then moving up into the sky and appearing like,
25:30
yeah, so I was talking to my mom about that.
25:33
And then she goes, you know, he she says I'll look out at night
25:37
and she says I'll see like this star.
25:39
But then it like gets long and she says and I'll see another
25:44
star like fly into it and then it like gets short again.
25:48
And I said mom, does that happen every night?
25:49
She says no. She says it will just be random
25:52
night. It was never the same.
25:54
It's like she got up at 2:00 every night.
25:57
It would be random times, random nights, and it was always to the
26:02
West and she would say it's always in that same spot.
26:06
She says it looks like a star, but she said it's not a star.
26:09
I don't know what that is. When you see something elongate
26:12
and something else fly into it, I don't think that's a star, but
26:16
it wasn't like she was afraid or anything.
26:18
She just found it fascinating. And so I think what happened is
26:22
she would get up and look to see if she could experience that
26:25
again. And she would periodically, she
26:27
would see that, right? And it was just one of those
26:32
really interesting things. And I would go out sometimes,
26:37
though sometimes at night, my family home, even outside, would
26:41
cause me anxiety. It would cause me unrest.
26:45
You'd feel a little unsettled. There was something just.
26:48
I don't know what it was. Even though we had wonderful fun
26:51
times, there was still this something else.
26:55
Like I said, I don't even know what how to describe it.
26:58
Well, there was a presence, or whatever it was and.
27:01
There's some kind of presence, I think in the Saint Louis Valley
27:05
there we can't see, but you can definitely feel.
27:08
And it's different at different locations.
27:11
Yeah, you know. Going back to the Atencio house,
27:14
you were saying about that like you take the pictures around
27:17
there, seeing these orbs and just unusual things you were
27:21
mentioning about my mom and my brother.
27:24
Wanting to go over there and take pictures and stuff,
27:26
sometimes we went, my brother and I decided to go for a walk
27:30
and he wanted to walk past the Intensio house and I was like,
27:35
this is daytime. Yeah, I was in the middle of the
27:37
day. You're braver.
27:39
I'm walking the dog and he decides to go over on that side
27:43
of the street. I told him Nope, I'm staying
27:45
over here and you know, I'll just wait for you if you wanna.
27:49
Check things out. So he goes across the street
27:51
over there and he's kind of looking, Doesn't go on the
27:54
property or anything, but he's pretty close.
27:56
He's pretty close, yes. And I'm walking, not looking at
28:00
him. I'm looking at the dog and all
28:03
the sudden I I see out the corner of my eye big movement,
28:08
like it was him going forward. And I I hear this crash and it's
28:12
him skidding in the rocks and his eyes are huge and he's
28:17
laying on his stomach. And he said something pushed me,
28:22
Well the IT scared me so bad. And the dog, she heard the leash
28:26
slipped out of my hand. She started running down the
28:28
road and I'm like come back. Thankfully she stopped and I'm
28:35
like trying to get the dog and I'm, I'm trying to find out what
28:37
happened with him and he's like, I don't know, something just
28:41
forcefully pushed me for sound, like he was airborne too.
28:44
Yeah, I mean, he went with force.
28:48
And I could see he was stunned and just freaked out.
28:51
So that was the end of our exploration there.
28:55
And you don't always tell people have a healthy respect for
28:58
things because, you know, people get into this idea of, oh, this
29:01
is fun, this is that ended his time of going to the Atencio
29:04
house because it really did scare him.
29:08
But you imagine if you're just walking along and all of a
29:11
sudden you feel something push you with so much force that
29:13
you're airborne and he landed. You set arms out, skidding.
29:17
Yes, yeah, I saw right when he hit the ground and the gravel
29:22
just, you know, it was crazy. I I couldn't believe that it had
29:27
happened. But he was totally freaked out.
29:30
And that's the thing once again, to have that healthy respect for
29:34
things you do not understand. If you go to the Valley and like
29:39
you said, you talk to the locals, who will talk with you
29:42
about it. There are so many stories
29:46
different. But my sister was going to rent
29:47
a house and she says, why didn't you tell me that that house was
29:50
haunted? I said, I don't know, you know,
29:53
didn't think about it because we have, there's so many weird
29:58
anomalies when we're talking about that.
30:01
We're not just talking about that kind of stuff.
30:04
People reported seeing things that they fill our Bigfoot, you
30:08
know, and these are elderly people who they have no reason
30:11
to lie. They'll say, you know, I looked
30:14
out the window and I saw this and they'll describe it and
30:17
then, you know, say, oh Bigfoot, there will be people who will
30:21
say they see entities that are not human, some that fly, they
30:27
talk about, the lizard people they talk about.
30:30
Talk about shapeshifters there. Yes, a lot of shapeshifters and
30:34
things like that. Which, if you think about Native
30:37
American culture, Native American culture, talks about
30:40
shapeshifters, you know, Is that part of that culture?
30:44
I don't know. But it's interesting because
30:46
there are some things to back that up even like with the
30:51
Atencio House, they've had people come in and investigate
30:53
there. And there is a YouTube video
30:57
that you can refer to to see an example of a shadow person.
31:01
So if you go to Shadow people of the San Luis Valley or you can
31:07
put it in San Luis Valley Shadow People, it's going to come up
31:11
and the guy is standing there and he videos from a little bit
31:16
of a distance from the house and he captures a wonderful,
31:21
wonderful footage on that. Yeah and yes.
31:26
And it's great too, because you can see it and then he slows it
31:29
down frame by frame by frame for you to see.
31:33
That to me is one of the best shadow figure videos.
31:38
It's amazing. And that house is boarded up.
31:42
Nobody lives there and but there are those things, people at our
31:47
cemetery. Things happen at our cemetery
31:50
that scares people. And then there's the cemetery
31:54
that doesn't exist. So I mean we lived in the in
31:58
Delmore for like 10 years and for all that time going out of
32:03
town with traveling W like if you were going to South Fork.
32:07
I would always see a cemetery on the right hand side over there
32:10
and didn't think anything about it.
32:12
Why would I talk about it? I just assumed, you know,
32:15
everybody saw the cemetery there.
32:17
So one day we're talking, and I know that you mentioned
32:19
something about, I can't remember why we were talking
32:21
about the cemetery. And I asked you, well, which one
32:23
are you talking about? Well, I said something about
32:25
going to the cemetery. Yeah, and I said, well, which
32:28
one are you talking about? And you go, you're looking at me
32:30
like I had another head, and you go.
32:32
There's only one cemetery in Del Norte.
32:34
And I was like, no, what about the one going out of town?
32:37
Like if you're going to South Fork on the right hand side and
32:40
she's like there's no cemetery there.
32:43
And I'm like, what do you mean? I we've like walked down there.
32:46
I've seen it. It's not like I just thought it
32:49
was over flying by in the car or something.
32:51
I have seen it over there. No, there's no cemetery there.
32:55
So Fast forward later and you're talking with your friend
32:57
Heather. She said the same thing to me.
32:59
I don't know why we're talking about the cemetery.
33:02
And she goes, which one? And they're like, what is this,
33:04
like the twilight zone? I said, Heather, we have one
33:07
cemetery. She goes, no, the one I pass
33:10
every day because she lived in South Fork and would drive in to
33:13
work. She goes, no, the one I pass
33:15
every day. And I'm there like you go to
33:17
South Fork, there's no cemetery. She goes, Oh my God.
33:20
So she starts describing this cemetery in detail.
33:23
And it's the same way that Christie is under like, what the
33:26
heck is going on here? It makes no sense to me.
33:32
Then Fast forward even further. Kathy Gee, We finally take her
33:35
to the valley and we're driving by and she sees the same
33:37
cemetery and she describes it. She's describing and I'm there
33:42
like there's something wrong with y'all.
33:43
And not in the moment, because when we were passing by there
33:46
and you know, nothing thought about that.
33:47
You know, we didn't talk about that, didn't talk about it at
33:49
all. And then I said about the
33:51
cemetery, she goes and she's talking about when we passed, we
33:55
didn't pass a cemetery. There is no cemetery there.
34:00
But it was like once that was brought into my awareness and
34:03
you told me that I have never seen that cemetery and that's
34:06
what Heather said, she said. After you said that, she says
34:10
that cemetery no longer exist. Now what is the likelihood 3
34:15
different people? It's weird.
34:16
Three people I know too. Whoa.
34:21
I just thought about that now. No, but three people I know
34:24
would see a cemetery that doesn't exist.
34:27
And all three of them, when they describe it, describe the same
34:31
cemetery. And we're they're describing it
34:33
and we're not together except when Kathy described it.
34:38
You were with us and you're. But Christy hasn't said anything
34:42
and she's describing this cemetery.
34:45
So that's what I mean. There are so many strange
34:50
anomalies there. People see things I'm not going
34:53
to say that don't exist, because even when we talked with
34:57
Charlene, you know when she said that when her husband asked, is
35:01
that real or not? It is in that moment, but it's
35:05
really strange, bizarre stuff that happens there.
35:09
Which makes me wonder if we're not just.
35:11
I don't know if we're just seeing through.
35:15
A veil like to a a different plane of existence at some point
35:20
some parallel universe. Yeah, it's so strange.
35:23
And we talked about that so much when we're doing this, you know,
35:26
what are we really experiencing? And I think when people get
35:30
really afraid of something, I think if they go to that place
35:33
of what am I really experiencing?
35:35
But oftentimes, you know, people say, oh, this is demonic or this
35:38
is that. And sometimes if we step away
35:41
from that, because that's going to take your level of fear of 15
35:44
notches, you know what I mean? Whereas if you sit there and say
35:47
wait a minute, is what I'm experiencing is that even of
35:51
this realm or whatever you want to call it, you know?
35:56
And I think that we get into these things where people we
36:00
want to know when we want to explain that maybe there's some
36:02
stuff we're just never going to explain, right.
36:05
We have seen some very strange things in the Valley.
36:08
And you kind of sit there and say, but it's interesting
36:11
because if you go talk to somebody else in the valley,
36:12
they'll be there like, Oh yeah, you know, or go to this place or
36:16
whatever. You talk to people outside the
36:19
Valley or don't have that. They kind of look at you as a
36:21
like, okay, What drug are you on or what mental illness do you
36:25
have? Not understanding once again
36:28
that rich culture and the value of that culture too, you know
36:34
what I mean? And often times, you know, even
36:36
in the Valley, you know, more people move in, the older
36:39
generations are are, you know, dying out and stuff like that.
36:42
So does that change it if people don't experience it?
36:45
But then you say that, and then we'll go down there or, you
36:48
know, I'll be talking to somebody from the Valley and
36:50
they'll say, Oh yeah, you know, that house or this house, you
36:53
know, there's some weird stuff or.
36:55
Well, those those stories are, you know, so frequently shared.
37:00
Throughout the valley. You know, the other thing I was
37:02
going to say is, you know, we met up with some people a few
37:04
times ago that we went there and one of them ex police officer,
37:07
and we were talking to him and we were telling him that story
37:10
about that giant dog. And as we told him, his eyes got
37:13
big. Where they're like, what?
37:15
So the right you reference, you're talking about the episode
37:18
that we did on Unexplained where they showed one.
37:22
Yeah, where that we had an experience to experience at the
37:26
Atencio House and there was a. Really huge black look like a
37:31
Shepherd Jet Black, but completely black.
37:34
And we thought it was a statue. And then the eyes and that moved
37:38
and we knew it wasn't a statue. Yeah.
37:40
So we're telling him about this and his eyes get big and where
37:44
they're like, what? He goes, I saw that dog in town.
37:47
Yeah. And where they're like, what?
37:49
And you mentioned he's a police officer.
37:50
So he was just checking, you know, get around checking the
37:53
town. And he said he thought he, I
37:55
thought it, you know, oh, come on, yeah, come on.
37:58
And he goes, it just didn't move.
38:00
He goes, it was the weirdest thing.
38:01
He goes. So then he started walking
38:02
across it. When he turned out it was gone,
38:04
I mean like instantly. And it's like because we had
38:09
never heard anybody else have having that experience with
38:12
that. And then as you start talking to
38:14
people, they start talking about these things that they see and
38:18
they experience. I remember when I was young, my
38:22
brother Ben, he was brave and a chicken at the same time, he
38:28
really was. But my parents were not there.
38:31
It was not. And he wanted to go to town, I
38:32
think for popcorn if I remember correctly.
38:34
But I was little. So he's going to town while he
38:37
gets back off the fast and with no popcorn.
38:39
So imagine our disappointment, but he's a little afraid and
38:44
whether like what's the matter? He goes, I'm driving down the
38:46
dirt Rd. He goes, and there's these
38:48
people walking and he goes, for lack of a better thing, he goes
38:52
he they look like monks. You know how the monks wear the
38:54
robes and the and they'll have the hood on, but it's freaking
38:59
dark. It's a dark night.
39:02
He goes and they're walking. He goes and it kind of freaks
39:04
it. Something freaks him out about
39:06
it. So he flips a Huey to come back
39:08
home. And when he comes back home he
39:11
says he looks but he can't see any face.
39:14
He goes and then all sudden they're just gone.
39:17
Freaked him out, Scared the crap out of him.
39:21
That was the end of popcorn for us.
39:23
Just so y'all know, just so you know.
39:25
You didn't get your popcorn. Did not get our damn popcorn
39:28
that night, but then it kind of freaked us out.
39:31
So other things happen, and I'm not going to go into that, but
39:35
it was just some really weird, scary stuff that happened after
39:37
that. And, you know, so, and that's
39:40
what I mean, it's all fun and games until it's happening to
39:43
you. And then it feels a little bit
39:45
different, yeah. And even if you're not open to
39:50
having your own experience like that, the San Luis Valley is
39:54
It's a it's a strange and quirky kind of place, but a lot of fun
39:58
too. And it is absolutely beautiful.
40:00
Beautiful. Absolutely.
40:02
Some of the most beautiful sunsets I've ever seen there for
40:04
sure, which I think Colorado skies are amazing anyway.
40:07
But the San Luis Valley does have some spectacular sunsets
40:12
and as we mentioned about the stars and one of the most
40:16
amazing places to view that from is the UFO Watchtower that is on
40:21
Hwy. 17 in the Valley. It's.
40:24
By between, it's by Hooper. That area down in there, which I
40:28
don't know how many people are aware, there's a Hot Springs in
40:30
Hooper. Amazing place to go.
40:32
Yes, but the UFO Watchtower is. It's just out here in the middle
40:37
of nowhere, this Dome shaped building.
40:40
There's a whole little gardening thing created out in the front.
40:43
Got some little UFO people out there and.
40:47
Aliens we call, Yeah, aliens. Yeah, UFO people got some aliens
40:56
out there and it's just a neat place to go.
40:59
But the cool thing is, inside there are many, many stories and
41:04
pictures and things like that that people have shared with the
41:07
owner, Judy. Which is Oh my goodness.
41:10
And we were. We got a chance to stand and
41:13
talk with her, and we recorded. She asked if we record our story
41:17
of the one we saw at the house that we often talk about you
41:20
wish you could just go back and almost have that same experience
41:24
again and have the sense to have a camera do something or to take
41:27
an even more detail. Well, something like that one.
41:30
Something like that happens. I feel like it's almost life
41:33
changing because you just, you almost want to recreate it but
41:37
you can't. And we have gone back to that
41:40
moment, back to that area where that we had that experience
41:43
many, many times in the experience I'm talking about
41:46
with in our UFO episode. It was such a strange and
41:50
unusual thing and please go back and listen to it.
41:53
It was just something that you feel like you have to go back to
41:56
that moment and try to recreate. You know what I really
41:58
appreciated is that we experienced that together.
42:01
So it's not like one of us telling the story and the other
42:03
one saying, Oh yeah, we were able to see it and.
42:07
Finish each other's senses as we were just doing this whole
42:10
description of things. But there is such an odd feeling
42:13
you get at that moment. It is fear.
42:16
It is fascination. There's so many feelings you
42:18
can't even describe it. It's the reason you can't get
42:20
your camera because your brain is trying to process what you're
42:23
looking at and. And not, but when we went to the
42:26
UFO Watchtower there she has a book filled with pictures of
42:31
things that people have caught. And there was a picture in there
42:34
that it was just like what we saw in the sky.
42:38
Just this football shaped thing, complete surface of it lit up
42:42
this bright blue, white light. It was amazing.
42:45
That blue was just so fascinating.
42:48
Yeah. And it was so big.
42:51
Yeah, it. Was so, so big.
42:55
Why do some people see stuff and some people don't?
42:58
I don't know. I don't know if some people are
43:01
just more receptive to things and more accepting that there
43:04
are things that are out there that we can explain.
43:06
And I don't know if not one is better than the other.
43:10
Any. There is no comparison, there's
43:11
no nothing. If you experience it, you
43:15
experience it. You know what I mean.
43:17
If you don't, you don't. But if you do, go there, like I
43:21
said, you will experience amazing views anyway.
43:24
Those stars. Just yes, It's amazing.
43:28
If you can't tell, we love the valley.
43:30
The beauty of it, the feel of it, the mystery surrounding.
43:34
But yes, exactly. In that rich history, it has
43:37
such a rich history. And if you go to Del Norte,
43:40
where I'm from, there is a museum there.
43:43
There is Marie Museum. Go there.
43:46
Look at some of the artifacts, look at some of the history.
43:50
It's amazing. It really just touches you in a
43:55
different way, and it's my understanding that at the UFO
43:59
Watchtower they have the skeleton now of.
44:02
I think so. I I read an article, I don't
44:04
know. We have not been there.
44:07
I know we've been back to the Valley two times in a row and we
44:09
never, we were so busy doing other stuff we didn't get a
44:12
chance to do that. But it's something that I think
44:14
would be fascinating to go see and hopefully we will get a
44:18
chance to go see that and you know, maybe just make a trip to
44:21
do that because it it's very fascinating, you know.
44:24
The sand dunes, they have a rich history too, and some very
44:27
mystical stuff too. They talked historically about
44:31
cannibalism there. They talked about horses with
44:33
webbed feet. There there is a huge history.
44:37
Crestone within itself has a lot of weird anomalies.
44:41
They have a lot of UFO stuff. They have a lot of sound noises,
44:45
things like that. From one end of the valley to
44:48
the other. It doesn't matter where you're
44:50
at, there is something. If you go there and you don't
44:53
experience that paranormal or Ufo's, that's OK cuz you're
44:57
going to really love the beauty of it.
44:59
I think anyway, and I might be a little biased, it's true, it is.
45:05
Beautiful. Yes.
45:07
So you know, I mean, we enjoy it.
45:09
We hope you enjoy this episode. And if we find the pics of some
45:13
of the stuff we took down there, we will go on ahead and post
45:16
them to our 2 Girls in a Pod Facebook page.
45:20
And you can check them out there.
45:22
You can check out the shadow people on YouTube.
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Shadow people, the San Luis Valley or San Luis Valley,
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Shadow people. That will be the one in
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particular. And you'll know it's the right
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one because he'll say something like people have been reporting
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shadow people at this location. And then he goes on to finally
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