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- 0:00Speaker 1: The Supreme Court ruled that states can finally ban transgendered
- 0:04Speaker 1: athletes from women's in girls' sports. And this is the
- 0:07Speaker 1: moment when feminists should be celebrating. So why are they not?
- 0:12Speaker 1: Because it was conservatives and Presidentald Trump that actually pushed
- 0:16Speaker 1: the issue. After years of lawsuits, years of political battles,
- 0:21Speaker 1: emotional testimony from female athletes, and then a national debate
- 0:26Speaker 1: that dominated the headlines, the United States Supreme Court ruled
- 0:30Speaker 1: that states can in fact protect girls and women's sports
- 0:35Speaker 1: by limiting female athlete competitions to biological females.
- 0:41Speaker 2: And it was a six' to three.
- 0:43Speaker 1: Decision the court upheld the laws From idaho In West,
- 0:47Speaker 1: virginia concluding they do not violate Either title nine or The. Constitution,
- 0:53Speaker 1: now for millions Of, americans this isn't simply about.
- 0:57Speaker 2: Politics this is about.
- 0:59Speaker 1: Fairness it's about preserving the very reason women's sports exist
- 1:03Speaker 1: in the first. Place and For President Donald, trump this
- 1:06Speaker 1: represents one of the defining victories of his second. Term
- 1:10Speaker 1: female athletes coming, out one of, them who played volleyball
- 1:15Speaker 1: At San Jose, state saying this On Fox News channel
- 1:18Speaker 1: about the.
- 1:19Speaker 2: RULING i just.
- 1:21Speaker 3: Had to practice with. HIM i wasn't even playing against
- 1:24Speaker 3: him in a real, game so at the bare, minimum
- 1:26Speaker 3: at LEAST i got to know his tendencies SO i
- 1:29Speaker 3: could keep myself a little bit. Safer but even, then
- 1:32Speaker 3: it's Like i'm still getting slammed in at my. BODY
- 1:35Speaker 3: i bruises on my legs from getting hit with a,
- 1:37Speaker 3: Ball like these other teams don't know what they're walking.
- 1:40Speaker 3: Into and that's even worse than WHAT i had to
- 1:43Speaker 3: go through going into practice every single day trying to
- 1:46Speaker 3: keep myself. Safe but these other student athletes at other
- 1:49Speaker 3: institutions going into it not even knowing what they're walking.
- 1:53Speaker 1: Into and you listen to, that and that is exactly
- 1:56Speaker 1: why the president wanted to move forward and. Act as
- 2:00Speaker 1: a quick, reminder twenty nine states restrict trans athletes in girls',
- 2:04Speaker 1: sports and of course every radical extreme LOW lgbtq plus
- 2:10Speaker 1: organization immediately jumped into. Sue there was a study also
- 2:14Speaker 1: that came out that one hundred and twenty two thousand
- 2:16Speaker 1: trans high school athletes is the total they claim in THE.
- 2:20Speaker 1: US a study also found that one percent of high
- 2:23Speaker 1: school athletes are quote, trans and THE, ncaa After President
- 2:27Speaker 1: Donald trump got into, office banned trans athletes in girls'.
- 2:32Speaker 1: Sports you can see exactly why this decision was such
- 2:35Speaker 1: a big. Deal, Now President, trump he, said this represents
- 2:40Speaker 1: one of the defining victories of his second. Term and
- 2:43Speaker 1: you may ask, yourself how do we even get. Here,
- 2:46Speaker 1: well to understand why today was such a major, moment
- 2:49Speaker 1: you literally have to go back fifty years back in
- 2:52Speaker 1: nineteen seventy, Two congress Passed title, nine and the goal
- 2:57Speaker 1: was really, straightforward women and girls deserve equal opportunities in,
- 3:01Speaker 1: education including. Athletics, again it was actually about education, first
- 3:07Speaker 1: not just. Athletics and Before title, nine many schools barely
- 3:11Speaker 1: funded girls. Sports scholarships didn't, exist facilities were often, inferior
- 3:17Speaker 1: they were a joke if they even had them at,
- 3:18Speaker 1: all and many girls simply didn't have the chance to.
- 3:22Speaker 1: Compete title nine changed all of, that and over the
- 3:25Speaker 1: next fifty years participation girls and women's athletics. Exploded you
- 3:31Speaker 1: have millions of young women that earned, scholarships giving them
- 3:35Speaker 1: a chance to go to. College women's college sports then
- 3:38Speaker 1: flourished professional leagues and, expanded and then The olympic opportunities multiplied.
- 3:44Speaker 1: Exponentially you literally had an entire generation of female athletes
- 3:49Speaker 1: that benefited from protections designed specifically for.
- 3:52Speaker 2: Them, yes for, women not for.
- 3:54Speaker 1: Men now in recent years you saw the change happen
- 3:58Speaker 1: before your very. Eyes in the early twenty, twenties you
- 4:02Speaker 1: had this massive mandate that you must allow any man
- 4:06Speaker 1: who claims their women to be able to compete with
- 4:08Speaker 1: women and use their locker rooms and their.
- 4:10Speaker 2: Facilities that is.
- 4:11Speaker 1: Insane you then witness people that had done their entire
- 4:16Speaker 1: life focusing on a, sport not when or the records
- 4:19Speaker 1: that were beaten by men claiming they were. Women, now
- 4:24Speaker 1: the simple question, was, look should biological males who identify
- 4:27Speaker 1: as female be allowed to compete in women's. Sports this
- 4:30Speaker 1: is when you would think the feminists would stand up
- 4:32Speaker 1: and said protect women's, Sports but the liberals didn't do.
- 4:35Speaker 1: It in, fact they advocated for, this and then that
- 4:39Speaker 1: question has now moved to the entire. Country some female
- 4:43Speaker 1: athletes said they were losing championships and the data backed it.
- 4:47Speaker 1: Up then you had the scholarship opportunities that were. Disappearing
- 4:50Speaker 1: that was another. Problem then you had podium finishes where
- 4:54Speaker 1: men were standing at the top during women's, sports and
- 4:57Speaker 1: then the roster spots that were being filled by men
- 5:00Speaker 1: and instead of women in women's. Sports, now there were
- 5:03Speaker 1: many others that raised concerns about. Safety you heard one
- 5:06Speaker 1: of them just a moment. Ago they said the contact,
- 5:09Speaker 1: sports it was. Insane and then integrity of sex separated. Competition,
- 5:14Speaker 1: supporters of, course on the radical left of transgendered, inclusion
- 5:18Speaker 1: argued that transgendered athletes deserved equal opportunities to participate and
- 5:23Speaker 1: that blanket bans discriminate on the basis of gender. Identity the, country,
- 5:29Speaker 1: well it was. Divided if you're, conservative you probably were
- 5:32Speaker 1: on the side of, sanity and if you were a radical,
- 5:35Speaker 1: liberal you were probably on the side of. Insanity and
- 5:38Speaker 1: that is Where Donald trump came. In throughout his presidential,
- 5:42Speaker 1: CAMPAIGNS i said that as a plural word, Campaigns Donald
- 5:46Speaker 1: trump repeatedly promised that if he was, elected he would
- 5:50Speaker 1: protect women's sports at all. Costs, now many political observers
- 5:54Speaker 1: initially dismissed the issue as nothing but, symbolic but after
- 5:58Speaker 1: returning to, office the pre showed he wasn't joking.
- 6:02Speaker 2: And he made it one of his very first.
- 6:04Speaker 1: Priorities In february of twenty twenty, Five trump signed the
- 6:08Speaker 1: executive order Titled Keeping Men out Of Women's. Sports you
- 6:12Speaker 1: can't be any clearer than. That and the order was very,
- 6:15Speaker 1: clear directing federal agencies to Interpret title nine protections based
- 6:20Speaker 1: on biological sex and then warned that schools receiving federal
- 6:25Speaker 1: funding could face consequences if they allowed biological males to
- 6:29Speaker 1: compete in girls and women's. Sports that executive order immediately
- 6:34Speaker 1: became a major political. Fight supporters called it common. Sense
- 6:38Speaker 1: the left and the media called it. Discriminatory and this
- 6:42Speaker 1: again was another example of The president, SAYING i am
- 6:45Speaker 1: willing to have this, fight and let's go to The Supreme. Court,
- 6:48Speaker 1: now more than half of the states had already enacted
- 6:51Speaker 1: laws in this country addressing transgender participation school, athletics and
- 6:56Speaker 1: that's at the stage for the major constitutional. Showdown there
- 7:00Speaker 1: were two cases that reached The Supreme. Court one Involved,
- 7:04Speaker 1: idaho the other Involved West. VIRGINIA i was actually in
- 7:08Speaker 1: the oral arguments at The Supreme court for these. Cases,
- 7:12Speaker 1: now both states argued they had a legitimate interest in
- 7:15Speaker 1: preserving fairness and safety in girls athletics by limiting female
- 7:20Speaker 1: sports to biological. Males the challengers argued that these laws
- 7:24Speaker 1: Violated title nine and The Equal Protection. Clause, now during
- 7:28Speaker 1: those oral, arguments several conservative justices questioned house schools could
- 7:33Speaker 1: preserve sex based athletics if biological sex could not be
- 7:38Speaker 1: used as an eligibility. Standard, well today The court answered that.
- 7:44Speaker 1: Question The Supreme court ruled that states may maintain those
- 7:48Speaker 1: protections for girls and women's. Sports Justice Brett kavanaugh wrote
- 7:52Speaker 1: for the, majority concluding that states may base eligibility for
- 7:58Speaker 1: women's school sports on biological, sex and that doing so
- 8:02Speaker 1: is consistent With title nine and The constitution as. Well
- 8:07Speaker 1: now this is a historic. Moment the ruling, says this
- 8:10Speaker 1: decision preserves the original purpose Of title, nine and if
- 8:14Speaker 1: you're a, woman you should be. Thrilled they argue women's
- 8:17Speaker 1: sports were created because of biological. Differences, yes there are
- 8:22Speaker 1: real differences between men and, women and that maintaining the
- 8:25Speaker 1: separate female competitions actually protects competitive fairness as well as
- 8:31Speaker 1: athletic opportunities through scholarships and countless other. Things they also
- 8:36Speaker 1: argue the ruling provides legal clarity now for the states
- 8:40Speaker 1: and schools and coaches and athletic organizations after years of
- 8:44Speaker 1: uncertainty and. Lawsuits the decision is also likely to influence
- 8:49Speaker 1: ongoing litigation other states with similar, laws and, Again this
- 8:54Speaker 1: is nothing but a Leadership trump. Victory even though these
- 8:59Speaker 1: cases and of state, Laws President trump made the issue
- 9:02Speaker 1: a central part of his. Platform he campaigned on, it
- 9:06Speaker 1: he signed an executive order on, it and his administration
- 9:10Speaker 1: supported the states defending these laws before The Supreme. Court,
- 9:14Speaker 1: now after the, Ruling President trump celebrated the, decision calling
- 9:18Speaker 1: it a big. Win supporters say today's outcome reflex years
- 9:22Speaker 1: a political effort to reshape How total nine is interpreted
- 9:26Speaker 1: and also. Enforced, now it's important also to understand that
- 9:30Speaker 1: Many americans are going to fight back on. This opponents
- 9:34Speaker 1: are going to argue transiender students should have the opportunity
- 9:36Speaker 1: to participate in sports consistent with their gender, identity and
- 9:42Speaker 1: you can bet they're going to try any way they
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- 11:38Speaker 1: The trump administration is coming after. You The department Of
- 11:42Speaker 1: Homeland security announcing yesterday THE Us immigration And Customs enforcement
- 11:47Speaker 1: officers arrested multiple convicted criminal illegal aliens over the weekend
- 11:53Speaker 1: as part of The trump administration's ongoing immigration enforcement. Campaign
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- 12:11Speaker 1: rape assault with a deadly, weapon drug, trafficking, burglary and child. Abuse,
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- 12:36Speaker 1: utah And. Nevada that is how far reaching the tentacles
- 12:40Speaker 1: of illegal immigrant criminal activity are in this. Country, yes
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- 12:48Speaker 1: A mexican national who had been convicted of homicide In North,
- 12:51Speaker 1: carolina A mexican national convictive of sexually assaulting a child In,
- 12:56Speaker 1: colorado A guatemalan national convicted of felonious soul In, virginia
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- 13:12Speaker 1: homicide child sexual, abuse, assault, rape and drug, trafficking is
- 13:17Speaker 1: what the Acting Assistant secretary said in the. Statement she
- 13:20Speaker 1: said the administration would continue arresting and removing criminal legal
- 13:25Speaker 1: immigrants from The United states Of.
- 13:26Speaker 2: America.
- 13:27Speaker 1: Now these arrests also come as The trump administration has
- 13:31Speaker 1: made immigration enforcement and then deportations clearly the centerpiece of
- 13:38Speaker 1: the second term agenda Of Donald. Trump, now the administration
- 13:42Speaker 1: has DIRECTED ice to increase arrests and. Removals let me
- 13:46Speaker 1: say that, again increase arrests and removals and prioritizing illegal
- 13:51Speaker 1: immigrants with criminal convictions while expanding enforcement operations. Nationwide the
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- 14:01Speaker 1: at improving public. Safety of, course the radical left contends
- 14:06Speaker 1: broader enforcement actions that are sweeping in some immigrants without
- 14:10Speaker 1: serious criminal. Records, well they're saying this is unfair and
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- 14:18Speaker 1: clear the individuals arrested over the weekend they already had
- 14:22Speaker 1: final removal orders or provide additional details on the timings
- 14:26Speaker 1: for their, convictions making it clear that, yes they're going
- 14:30Speaker 1: for the worst among. Us The United States Supreme court
- 14:35Speaker 1: has issued one of the most consequential immigration rulings in,
- 14:39Speaker 1: decades bringing an end to a legal battle Over President
- 14:44Speaker 1: Donald trump's, effort which so many, supported to end automatic
- 14:48Speaker 1: birthright citizenship for certain children that are born in The
- 14:51Speaker 1: United states Of. America and if you're, logical you understand
- 14:55Speaker 1: why The president was trying to do. This, clearly it
- 14:58Speaker 1: was being abused on a lets that honestly none of,
- 15:01Speaker 1: US i think can truly.
- 15:02Speaker 2: Understand.
- 15:03Speaker 1: Now to understand why this case mattered so, much you
- 15:06Speaker 1: got to go back to What President trump's very first
- 15:09Speaker 1: day in office was actually all. About that, is When
- 15:14Speaker 1: President trump signed an executive order and it declared that
- 15:17Speaker 1: children born in The United states Of america will no
- 15:20Speaker 1: longer automatically RECEIVE us citizenship if their parents were in
- 15:25Speaker 1: the country illegally or were only here, temporarily such as
- 15:30Speaker 1: on a, student work or tourist. Visa, now the administration
- 15:34Speaker 1: argued that The constitution had been interpreted incorrectly for more
- 15:38Speaker 1: than a. Century The trump administration's legal argument centered on
- 15:43Speaker 1: just a few words in The Fourteenth amendment subject to
- 15:46Speaker 1: the jurisdiction of The United. States the administration argued before
- 15:51Speaker 1: The Supreme court that those words mean more than simply
- 15:54Speaker 1: being born On american. Soil and What trump's position was
- 15:58Speaker 1: is that if, look if someone parents are not permanently
- 16:01Speaker 1: and fully subject TO us political jurisdiction because they are
- 16:05Speaker 1: here unlawfully or only, temporarily then their children should not
- 16:09Speaker 1: be Automatically american citizens if they're born.
- 16:14Speaker 2: Here.
- 16:15Speaker 1: Now administration lawyers also argue that the landmark nineteen eighty
- 16:19Speaker 1: Nine Supreme court decision in The United states Versus Longkim
- 16:24Speaker 1: arc had been interpreted too broadly for. Generations they maintained
- 16:28Speaker 1: that The constitution never intended birthright citizenship to apply to
- 16:34Speaker 1: everyone born In, america regardless of their parents' legal. Status,
- 16:39Speaker 1: now The left and of course others that disagree with The,
- 16:42Speaker 1: president challenged the executive. Order within, days lawsuits were filed
- 16:48Speaker 1: across the country by multiple, states immigrant advocacy organizations and
- 16:53Speaker 1: families who argue That President trump's order well directly violated they,
- 16:57Speaker 1: said the planned language of The Fourteenth amendment and over
- 17:00Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty five years As Supreme Court president
- 17:03Speaker 1: jumped to, action and then you had several federal district
- 17:06Speaker 1: judges that bocked the executive order before it can even
- 17:09Speaker 1: take a. Fact, now, look The president wanted this. Fight
- 17:12Speaker 1: let's be. Clear i'm sure he was told by lawyers
- 17:15Speaker 1: that this was an uphill. Battle but they wanted this
- 17:17Speaker 1: to be a real, discussion and they wanted The american
- 17:20Speaker 1: people to have a grand debate over this loophole where
- 17:23Speaker 1: countless people come Into america knowing that they're just going
- 17:26Speaker 1: to have a child here so they can become An american.
- 17:29Speaker 1: Citizen and that's why The president took action on day.
- 17:33Speaker 1: One this was a fight he was looking. For, now
- 17:37Speaker 1: these nationwide injunctions became an important part of the legal
- 17:40Speaker 1: fight as well as these several federal judges jumped in,
- 17:44Speaker 1: instantly and, initially The trump administration wasn't simply asking The
- 17:48Speaker 1: Supreme court to decide whether birthright citizenship itself was you, know.
- 17:52Speaker 1: Constitutional it also argued that individual federal district judges should
- 17:58Speaker 1: not have the power to stop inentral policies nationwide with
- 18:02Speaker 1: a single. Injunction so there were multiple fights happening. Here,
- 18:07Speaker 1: now that procedural issue reached The Supreme court first and
- 18:10Speaker 1: then generated a ton of debate over the power of
- 18:14Speaker 1: the federal court. System, eventually The court agreed to hear
- 18:18Speaker 1: the constitutional question, directly and that was a simple. Question
- 18:22Speaker 1: can a, president by executive order limit birthright? Citizenship, well
- 18:29Speaker 1: fast forward to the oral. Arguments so This Sir general
- 18:32Speaker 1: defended the administration's, position arguing that the citizenship clause has
- 18:38Speaker 1: been misunderstood for generations and that The constitution should be
- 18:42Speaker 1: interpreted according to its original. Meaning, now several justices questioned
- 18:47Speaker 1: both sides, extensively including conservative members of The court who
- 18:52Speaker 1: pressed The trump administration about how its interpretation fit with
- 18:57Speaker 1: more than a century a precedent there wasablished by the
- 19:01Speaker 1: Wonkim arc. Decision, well now we know what The Supreme
- 19:05Speaker 1: court has decided to. Do in a six to three,
- 19:08Speaker 1: ruling The court rejected and this was not. Surprising President
- 19:13Speaker 1: trump's executive order and how that The Fourteenth amendment continues
- 19:17Speaker 1: to guarantee birthright citizenship to virtually everyone born On american,
- 19:22Speaker 1: soil regardless of their parents' immigration. Status, Now Chief Justice
- 19:28Speaker 1: John roberts actually wrote for the majority and wrote that. Opinion,
- 19:32Speaker 1: now The court concluded that that long standing, precedent especially
- 19:36Speaker 1: the eighteen ninety eight Wonkim arc, decision controls the, issue
- 19:41Speaker 1: and that the constitution citizenship cause cannot be narrowed through
- 19:46Speaker 1: executive action from the. President, now the majority held that
- 19:50Speaker 1: if birthright citizenship is ever going to be, changed and
- 19:54Speaker 1: it can be, changed or want to make that very,
- 19:57Speaker 1: clear it would require either the constitutional amendment or some
- 20:02Speaker 1: other lawful constitutional, mechanism not a presidential executive.
- 20:07Speaker 2: Order.
- 20:08Speaker 1: Now the dissent came From Justice Clarence, Thomas Samuel, leto
- 20:13Speaker 1: And Neil. Gorshich they argue that The court should have
- 20:16Speaker 1: interpreted quote subject to the jurisdiction more narrowly in question
- 20:21Speaker 1: whether long standing president had correctly analyzed that constitutional. Phrase
- 20:27Speaker 1: the practical effort of today's ruling is. Straightforward now the
- 20:31Speaker 1: executive order cannot be. Enforced that means children born in
- 20:36Speaker 1: The United states Of america will continue to receive citizenship
- 20:39Speaker 1: under the same, rules and that those rules that have
- 20:42Speaker 1: existed for generations will not.
- 20:44Speaker 2: Change.
- 20:45Speaker 1: Now For President, trump this represents one of the biggest
- 20:48Speaker 1: judicial defeats of his second, term especially on the immigration.
- 20:53Speaker 1: Agenda but to be, clear this is not surprising at.
- 20:56Speaker 1: All those in The White house were expecting more than
- 20:59Speaker 1: likely that he was going to, lose and they knew
- 21:02Speaker 1: that from day. One so why have the, fight because
- 21:06Speaker 1: this is an issue worth fighting, over and it's an
- 21:08Speaker 1: issue worth talking. About it's an issue worth even, saying
- 21:12Speaker 1: do we need to make a big? Change and how
- 21:14Speaker 1: do you get? That debate started by doing exactly what
- 21:17Speaker 1: The trump administration. Did it highlights this important constitutional. Reality,
- 21:23Speaker 1: now The Supreme court did not simply decide whether it
- 21:26Speaker 1: agreed With President trump's immigration. Policy, instead the majority concluded
- 21:31Speaker 1: that The constitution itself prevents a president from making this
- 21:35Speaker 1: change through executive authority. Alone they didn't say it can't.
- 21:39Speaker 1: Happen President trump responded by calling now On, congress which
- 21:44Speaker 1: was all part of the plan to pursue legislative solutions on,
- 21:47Speaker 1: immigration while continuing to argue that the current interpretation of
- 21:52Speaker 1: birthright citizenship actually encourages significantly encourages illegal immigrants to jump
- 22:00Speaker 1: in on birth.
- 22:01Speaker 2: Tourism, now birth tourism is.
- 22:03Speaker 1: Simple you want to have a child In, america so
- 22:05Speaker 1: their An american citizens and then they become an, anchor
- 22:07Speaker 1: and then, bam you and your family have access to
- 22:09Speaker 1: The United states Of. America in, fact they actually sell
- 22:13Speaker 1: birther tourism around the, world that's how popular it is.
- 22:18Speaker 1: Now under this new, Decision congress itself would also face
- 22:22Speaker 1: constitutional limits if it attempted to contradict The court's interpretation
- 22:27Speaker 1: of The Fourteenth amendment as. Well, now the case will
- 22:31Speaker 1: almost certainly become one of the defining constitutional decisions of
- 22:35Speaker 1: the past. Decade supporters of the ruling st reaffirms a
- 22:39Speaker 1: constitutional guarantee that existed since The Fourteenth amendment and preserves
- 22:44Speaker 1: more than a century Of Supreme court President but if
- 22:47Speaker 1: You're Donald, trump you're arguing The court missed an opportunity
- 22:51Speaker 1: to revisit the meeting of the citizenship clause in the
- 22:55Speaker 1: light of modern immigration law and. Policy and let's be,
- 22:58Speaker 1: clear it's a lot easier to travel with The United
- 23:00Speaker 1: states Of america now than it was when the founding
- 23:03Speaker 1: fathers are writing The constitution, now either, way the legal
- 23:07Speaker 1: question has now been answered for. Now The Supreme court
- 23:11Speaker 1: is ruled that birthright citizenship remains protected under the Fourteenth,
- 23:15Speaker 1: amendment And President trump's executive order attempting to restrict it
- 23:19Speaker 1: cannot take. Effect but this may be a long term
- 23:23Speaker 1: gain for The president and conservatives because now we're having
- 23:26Speaker 1: a national conversation about an extremely important. Issue there is
- 23:32Speaker 1: a deeply alarming development that is unfolding out Of, iran
- 23:37Speaker 1: and this is just showing you how tough it is
- 23:39Speaker 1: to negotiate With iran right, now because there's clearly a
- 23:42Speaker 1: civil war that is taking place within the. Country, now
- 23:46Speaker 1: what is happening right now is some of the country's
- 23:49Speaker 1: most influential hard line. Clerics now these are the radical,
- 23:53Speaker 1: clerics the. Extremists they have come out and publicly now
- 23:57Speaker 1: called for the assassination Of President Donald.
- 24:00Speaker 2: Trump that's not.
- 24:01Speaker 1: All they've also called for the assassination of The Israeli
- 24:04Speaker 1: Prime Minister Benjamin Netan.
- 24:06Speaker 2: Yahoo.
- 24:07Speaker 1: Now the statements have intensified the already soaring tensions in
- 24:12Speaker 1: The Middle east and has raised fresh concerns among intelligence
- 24:16Speaker 1: and counter terrorism officials about the potential for politically or
- 24:20Speaker 1: religiously motivated Violence, now this is also a perfect example
- 24:24Speaker 1: of why it has been so hard to get a deal,
- 24:27Speaker 1: done because while you're negotiating with one part Of iran's,
- 24:31Speaker 1: leadership all of a sudden you find out that the
- 24:34Speaker 1: other side inside the country is literally trying to undo
- 24:37Speaker 1: it in real. Time it's the reason why you see
- 24:40Speaker 1: some people that are trying to actually attack and others
- 24:44Speaker 1: are trying to actually get a deal, done and then
- 24:47Speaker 1: you really don't even know half the time who the
- 24:49Speaker 1: other side really is if you're on the outside looking.
- 24:53Speaker 1: In the religious clerics have made it known they're angry
- 24:57Speaker 1: and they don't like any deal being done now right.
- 25:01Speaker 1: Now according to multiple, reports members Of iran's cleric establishment
- 25:07Speaker 1: actually issued a declaration describing the killing Of trump And
- 25:11Speaker 1: Netan yahoo as a religious duty for anyone capable of
- 25:16Speaker 1: carrying it. Out the declaration reportedly Characterizes trump as the
- 25:21Speaker 1: quote Criminal american president and Net yahoo as the wicked
- 25:25Speaker 1: Prime minister quote. Unquote, now this is language that has
- 25:29Speaker 1: drawn widespread international, condination but that doesn't really hold any
- 25:32Speaker 1: weight In iran among the, religious well radical. Clerics, now
- 25:37Speaker 1: these statements are significant because they come from figures with
- 25:41Speaker 1: actually considerable religious influence Inside iran's political. System, well not
- 25:47Speaker 1: every speaks for The iranian, government the country's religious leadership
- 25:51Speaker 1: and political. Leadership while they are, deeply, deeply deeply. Intertwined,
- 25:57Speaker 1: analysts a rhetoric from senior clerics can carry someancial weight
- 26:00Speaker 1: among hardline, supporters even if it does not constitute an
- 26:05Speaker 1: official military. Order sometimes the clerics can be even more
- 26:10Speaker 1: powerful than a military order based on. History, now the
- 26:14Speaker 1: calls reportedly come amid intensified internal, fighting a civil war
- 26:19Speaker 1: divisions inside Of iran following the doubt of the Former
- 26:23Speaker 1: Supreme Leader, kolamani and ongoing negotiations between The iranian officials
- 26:28Speaker 1: who are being undermined by the clerics and The United
- 26:31Speaker 1: states Of. America, now some factions Within, iran they claim
- 26:35Speaker 1: they favored diplomacy in hopes of easing the economic. Pressure
- 26:40Speaker 1: others this would be the clerics, included argue that compromise
- 26:44Speaker 1: represents weakness and instead they're demanding retaliation against perceived enemies
- 26:50Speaker 1: and even.
- 26:50Speaker 2: War.
- 26:51Speaker 1: Now the latest statements also revive memories of one of
- 26:54Speaker 1: the most infamous religious decrees in modern, history the nineteen
- 26:59Speaker 1: eighty Nine fatwah issued against an Author Salman rusty after
- 27:04Speaker 1: publication of The satanic Versus. Now the decree remained influential
- 27:09Speaker 1: for decades and was followed by multiple violent, attacks including
- 27:13Speaker 1: the twenty twenty two stabbing that Left rusty severely. Injured
- 27:18Speaker 1: because of that, history security experts generally take modern assassination fatwah,
- 27:23Speaker 1: seriously even if they're not formal government quote unquote. Policy.
- 27:28Speaker 1: Now counter terrorism analysts have also warned that the greatest
- 27:32Speaker 1: concern is often not a direct operation ordered by the reigning,
- 27:35Speaker 1: government but the possibility that an individual or a sympathizer
- 27:40Speaker 1: or an extremists actually interprets this rhetoric as encouragement to act.
- 27:45Speaker 1: Independently throughout, history inflammatory calls from influential ideological and religious
- 27:50Speaker 1: leaders have inspired so called loan actors or lone wolves
- 27:55Speaker 1: without even direct operational, control to be inspired because of The,
- 27:59Speaker 1: internet something they, read or something they see ON. Tv
- 28:03Speaker 1: The United states has long maintained heightened security Around President
- 28:07Speaker 1: trump because of the previous threats attribute To iranian linked. Actors,
- 28:11Speaker 1: yes they tried to kill the. President federal authorities have
- 28:14Speaker 1: repeatedly stated over the past several years that they continue
- 28:17Speaker 1: to monitor these threats associated With iran following earlier regional
- 28:22Speaker 1: conflicts and the death of Senior iranian, leaders and these
- 28:25Speaker 1: new declarations are even more likely to receive intense scrutiny
- 28:30Speaker 1: From american intelligence agencies and The department Of Homeland. Security,
- 28:35Speaker 1: now For, israel the rhetorica's equally significant and concerning The Prime.
- 28:40Speaker 1: Minister netanyahu has been at the center Of israel's military
- 28:43Speaker 1: campaign Against iran's nuclear military, infrastructure and that's made him
- 28:48Speaker 1: one Of tehran's primary. Targets calls for his assassination fit
- 28:53Speaker 1: into a broader pattern of escalating hostility between the two
- 28:56Speaker 1: countries as, well and, diplomatically timing is especially. Delicate The american, envoys,
- 29:03Speaker 1: well they're reportedly continuing the negotiations aimed at reducing the
- 29:07Speaker 1: tensions and advancing agreements Over RAN's nuclear, program and that's
- 29:13Speaker 1: where the hardline voices Inside iran appear to be pushing
- 29:16Speaker 1: in the opposite. Direction they're demanding confrontation rather than. Compromise
- 29:22Speaker 1: that split illustrates the complete power center Within iran and
- 29:27Speaker 1: the challenge negotiators face when trying to reach the latest
- 29:31Speaker 1: and lasting. Agreements, now whether these declarations ultimately translate into
- 29:36Speaker 1: any operational threat remains. Unknown public calls for violence do
- 29:41Speaker 1: not necessarily mean an attack will occur or instantly or
- 29:44Speaker 1: in the, future but security professionals treat this type of
- 29:48Speaker 1: rhetoric with seriousness because history has shown that the incidents
- 29:53Speaker 1: like this and when influential figures while they say that
- 29:56Speaker 1: it's time to, attack it has a massive increase of
- 29:59Speaker 1: the res of violence by radical supporters and lone wolves
- 30:03Speaker 1: who are following their. Initiative, now for, now intelligence, agencies
- 30:08Speaker 1: law enforcement and diplomatic, officials, well they're certainly going to
- 30:12Speaker 1: have to monitor the situation. Closely but it also underscores
- 30:15Speaker 1: how volatile the relationship remains literally Within iran between the
- 30:20Speaker 1: clerics and THE irgc and anyone else claiming to run the.
- 30:24Speaker 2: Country one thing is for.
- 30:26Speaker 1: Sure The United states And, israel well they're having to
- 30:29Speaker 1: stand side by side right now like never, before because
- 30:32Speaker 1: this is what they're up against in The Middle. East
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