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The Living Conversation: Philosophy, Anxiety, and the Muddy Water Mind · The Living Conversation

• 0:00
  Foreign
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  Anthony
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  Wright.
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  And
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  I'm
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  your
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  co
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  host
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  today
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  on
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  the
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  Living
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  Conversation
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  with
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  Adam
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  Dietz.
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  Welcome
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  back,
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  everyone.
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  Our
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  guest
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  is.
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  Our
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  guests
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  are
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  the
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  Sonoma
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  State
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  University
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  Philosophy
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  Club
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  with
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  President
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  Collette
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  and
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  members
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  Haley
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  and
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  Andrew.
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  And
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  before
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  the
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  break,
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  we
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  were
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  talking
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  about
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  allowing
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  the
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  mind
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  of
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  the
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  body
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  to
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  kind
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  of
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  settle.
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  And
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  it
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  brought
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  to
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  mind,
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  Adam,
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  that
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  you've
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  got
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  a
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  story
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  about
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  how
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  muddy
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  water
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  can
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  be
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  dealt
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  with.
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  So,
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  like,
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  if
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  the
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  mind
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  was
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  like
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  a
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  bucket
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  of
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  muddy
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  water.
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  Talk
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  more
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  about
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  that
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  if
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  you
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  would.
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  So.
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  So
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  Eastern
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  philosophy
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  really
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  is
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  meant
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  to
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  help
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  people
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  experience
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  the
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  highest
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  level,
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  like
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  we
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  mentioned
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  before,
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  Right.
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  And
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  it's
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  okay.
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  If
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  you
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  choose
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  to
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  practice
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  and
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  learn
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  it,
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  great.
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  If
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  not,
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  then
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  that's
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  okay.
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  They
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  don't
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  try
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  to
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  evangelize
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  you.
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  They
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  just
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  say,
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  here's
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  what
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  we
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  know
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  the
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  highest
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  level
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  is.
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  You're
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  welcome
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  to
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  go
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  experience
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  it
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  for
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  yourself.
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  The
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  point
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  is,
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  there's
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  one
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  story
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  in
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  Lao
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  Tzu,
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  Te
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  Ching
• 1:25
  Taoist
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  philosophy
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  that
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  Lao
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  Tzu
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  says
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  we
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  should
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  practice
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  in
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  order
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  to
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  merge
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  our
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  mind
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  with
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  dao.
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  The
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  way
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  we
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  should
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  practice.
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  Like
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  a
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  hand
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  searching
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  in
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  muddy
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  water.
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  If
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  your
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  hand
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  is
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  searching
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  in
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  muddy
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  water
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  and
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  you're
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  trying
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  to
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  search,
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  search,
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  search,
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  search,
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  search,
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  grasp,
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  grasp,
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  grasp.
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  You
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  just
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  stir
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  up
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  more
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  turbidity.
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  The
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  only
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  way
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  to
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  have
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  clarity
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  come
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  is
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  to
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  keep
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  your
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  hands
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  still.
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  You
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  keep
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  your
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  hands
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  still,
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  the
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  sediment
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  in
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  this
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  muddy
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  water
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  will
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  settle
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  to
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  the
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  bottom.
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  Then
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  clarity
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  can
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  come
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  out.
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  So
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  we
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  should
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  practice
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  our
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  mind
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  like
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  this.
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  If
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  we
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  can
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  allow
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  our
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  mind
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  to
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  decrease
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  desire,
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  decrease
• 2:07
  thought,
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  decrease
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  attachment,
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  it's
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  like
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  allowing
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  the
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  sediment
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  of
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  our
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  mind
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  to
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  settle.
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  When
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  the
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  sediment
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  of
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  our
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  mind
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  settles,
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  the
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  then
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  we
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  can
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  have
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  clarity.
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  When
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  we
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  have
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  clarity,
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  actually
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  what
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  comes
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  forth
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  from
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  us,
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  our
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  deepest
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  self
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  is
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  experience
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  Dao
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  of
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  ourself.
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  It
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  can
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  come
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  out.
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  We
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  can
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  see
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  it,
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  experience
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  it.
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  And
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  this
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  reminds
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  me
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  of
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  what
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  we're
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  talking
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  about
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  before.
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  To
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  experience
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  this.
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  Yes.
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  Maybe
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  meditation,
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  right?
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  Yeah.
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  But
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  we
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  can
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  all
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  just
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  picture
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  ourselves
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  maybe
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  having
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  fewer
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  thoughts,
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  maybe
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  calming
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  down
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  a
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  little
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  in
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  whatever
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  method
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  helps
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  now.
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  My
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  own
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  entire
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  life,
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  I
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  never
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  had
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  anxiety.
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  Not
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  at
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  all.
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  I.
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  I
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  sympathize
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  that
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  people
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  had
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  anxiety,
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  but
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  my
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  mother
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  passed
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  away.
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  After
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  my
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  mother
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  passed
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  away
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  four
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  or
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  five
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  years
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  ago,
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  I
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  started
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  to
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  have
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  anxiety.
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  And
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  I
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  was
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  so
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  new.
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  I
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  never
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  knew.
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  And
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  I
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  took.
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  I've
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  always
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  been
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  able
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  to
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  do
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  Tai
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  Chi
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  meditation
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  or
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  running
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  or
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  something,
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  take
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  care
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  of
• 3:03
  myself
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  and
• 3:05
  have
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  no
• 3:05
  problem.
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  So
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  I
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  felt
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  very
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  confident.
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  Oh,
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  I
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  can
• 3:07
  do
• 3:07
  it,
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  no
• 3:08
  problem.
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  But
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  I
• 3:08
  had
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  anxiety.
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  And
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  you
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  all
• 3:10
  know
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  anxiety
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  is
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  just.
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  It's.
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  It's
• 3:13
  not.
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  It
• 3:13
  doesn't
• 3:13
  make
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  any
• 3:14
  sense.
• 3:14
  It
• 3:14
  just
• 3:14
  comes
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  and
• 3:15
  you
• 3:15
  can't
• 3:15
  get
• 3:15
  out
• 3:15
  of
• 3:15
  it.
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  Finally,
• 3:17
  it
• 3:17
  came.
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  Things
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  came
• 3:18
  to
• 3:18
  a
• 3:18
  head,
• 3:18
  and
• 3:18
  I,
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  I
• 3:19
  had
• 3:19
  no
• 3:19
  tools
• 3:20
  for
• 3:20
  coping.
• 3:21
  I
• 3:21
  had
• 3:21
  to
• 3:21
  pull
• 3:21
  over
• 3:21
  on
• 3:22
  the
• 3:22
  side
• 3:22
  of
• 3:22
  the
• 3:22
  road,
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  and
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  I
• 3:24
  thought,
• 3:24
  okay,
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  well,
• 3:25
  I
• 3:25
  don't
• 3:25
  know
• 3:25
  what
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  to
• 3:26
  do.
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  I
• 3:27
  could
• 3:28
  be
• 3:28
  stranded
• 3:28
  in
• 3:28
  the
• 3:28
  middle
• 3:28
  of
• 3:28
  nowhere
• 3:29
  because
• 3:29
  I
• 3:29
  have
• 3:29
  anxiety
• 3:29
  about
• 3:30
  driving.
• 3:31
  Oh,
• 3:31
  my.
• 3:31
  So
• 3:32
  finally
• 3:32
  I
• 3:32
  just
• 3:33
  said,
• 3:33
  well,
• 3:33
  maybe
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  I'm
• 3:34
  tired.
• 3:34
  I'll
• 3:34
  take
• 3:34
  a
• 3:35
  nap.
• 3:35
  But
• 3:36
  a
• 3:36
  lot
• 3:36
  of
• 3:36
  times
• 3:36
  when
• 3:36
  I
• 3:36
  take
• 3:36
  a
• 3:37
  nap,
• 3:37
  I
• 3:37
  actually
• 3:38
  start
• 3:38
  meditating
• 3:38
  a
• 3:39
  little
• 3:39
  bit.
• 3:39
  Just
• 3:39
  try
• 3:40
  and
• 3:40
  get
• 3:40
  in
• 3:40
  touch
• 3:40
  with,
• 3:40
  like,
• 3:41
  we're
• 3:41
  talking
• 3:41
  about
• 3:41
  before.
• 3:41
  Get
• 3:41
  in
• 3:41
  touch
• 3:41
  with
• 3:42
  your
• 3:42
  awareness.
• 3:42
  Get
• 3:43
  in
• 3:43
  touch
• 3:43
  with
• 3:43
  your
• 3:43
  mind.
• 3:44
  Just
• 3:44
  watch
• 3:44
  your
• 3:44
  feelings
• 3:45
  go.
• 3:45
  Move
• 3:45
  your
• 3:46
  awareness
• 3:46
  around.
• 3:46
  There's
• 3:47
  a
• 3:47
  meditation
• 3:47
  method
• 3:48
  called
• 3:48
  body
• 3:48
  scanning.
• 3:49
  But
• 3:49
  the,
• 3:50
  the
• 3:50
  point
• 3:50
  is,
• 3:50
  as
• 3:51
  soon
• 3:51
  as
• 3:51
  I
• 3:51
  close
• 3:51
  my
• 3:51
  eyes,
• 3:52
  I
• 3:52
  started
• 3:52
  meditating.
• 3:53
  My
• 3:53
  anxiety
• 3:54
  was
• 3:54
  cured.
• 3:54
  Cured
• 3:55
  forever.
• 3:56
  Wow.
• 3:56
  I
• 3:56
  hope
• 3:56
  forever,
• 3:57
  Please.
• 3:58
  I
• 3:58
  hope.
• 3:59
  Because
• 3:59
  now,
• 3:59
  now
• 4:00
  what
• 4:00
  I
• 4:00
  do
• 4:00
  is
• 4:01
  if
• 4:02
  I
• 4:02
  start
• 4:02
  to
• 4:02
  feel
• 4:02
  it
• 4:02
  a
• 4:03
  little
• 4:03
  bit,
• 4:04
  I
• 4:04
  can
• 4:04
  just
• 4:04
  close
• 4:04
  my
• 4:04
  eyes
• 4:05
  for
• 4:05
  one
• 4:05
  second,
• 4:05
  like
• 4:05
  a
• 4:06
  long
• 4:06
  blink,
• 4:07
  and
• 4:07
  return.
• 4:08
  Almost
• 4:08
  like
• 4:08
  Anthony
• 4:09
  was
• 4:09
  saying,
• 4:09
  return
• 4:09
  to
• 4:09
  that
• 4:09
  thread
• 4:10
  of
• 4:10
  your
• 4:10
  heart.
• 4:12
  And
• 4:12
  then,
• 4:12
  and
• 4:12
  then
• 4:13
  you
• 4:13
  realize,
• 4:13
  okay,
• 4:13
  that
• 4:13
  was
• 4:14
  all
• 4:14
  just
• 4:15
  a
• 4:15
  mirage,
• 4:15
  and
• 4:16
  my
• 4:16
  true
• 4:16
  self
• 4:16
  is
• 4:17
  in
• 4:17
  here.
• 4:18
  So
• 4:19
  I
• 4:19
  thought
• 4:19
  I
• 4:19
  would
• 4:19
  share
• 4:19
  that
• 4:20
  story
• 4:20
  because
• 4:20
  it
• 4:20
  seemed
• 4:20
  to
• 4:21
  really
• 4:22
  be
• 4:23
  a
• 4:23
  personal
• 4:24
  story
• 4:24
  that
• 4:25
  has
• 4:26
  a
• 4:26
  lot
• 4:26
  maybe,
• 4:26
  maybe
• 4:27
  you
• 4:27
  can
• 4:27
  understand
• 4:27
  and
• 4:28
  empathize
• 4:28
  with,
• 4:28
  and
• 4:29
  it
• 4:29
  seems
• 4:29
  to
• 4:29
  tie
• 4:30
  in
• 4:30
  a
• 4:30
  lot
• 4:30
  of
• 4:30
  things
• 4:30
  that
• 4:30
  we've
• 4:30
  been
• 4:30
  talking
• 4:31
  about
• 4:31
  today.
• 4:32
  Yeah.
• 4:32
  So
• 4:33
  I
• 4:33
  also
• 4:33
  wanted
• 4:33
  to
• 4:34
  mention
• 4:34
  that
• 4:35
  when
• 4:35
  people
• 4:35
  have
• 4:35
  emotions
• 4:37
  a
• 4:38
  lot
• 4:38
  of
• 4:38
  times,
• 4:39
  and
• 4:40
  I
• 4:40
  don't
• 4:40
  know
• 4:41
  how
• 4:41
  common
• 4:42
  it
• 4:42
  is
• 4:42
  for
• 4:42
  people
• 4:42
  to
• 4:43
  think
• 4:43
  about,
• 4:43
  well,
• 4:43
  what's
• 4:44
  that
• 4:44
  emotion
• 4:45
  doing
• 4:45
  for
• 4:45
  me?
• 4:46
  How
• 4:46
  is
• 4:46
  it
• 4:47
  taking
• 4:47
  care
• 4:47
  of
• 4:47
  me?
• 4:48
  So
• 4:49
  I
• 4:49
  would
• 4:49
  offer
• 4:49
  to
• 4:49
  you
• 4:50
  that
• 4:50
  the
• 4:51
  anxiety
• 4:51
  being
• 4:51
  about
• 4:52
  the
• 4:52
  future
• 4:52
  is
• 4:53
  trying
• 4:53
  to
• 4:53
  take
• 4:53
  you,
• 4:54
  take
• 4:54
  care
• 4:54
  of
• 4:54
  you
• 4:55
  and
• 4:55
  keep
• 4:55
  you
• 4:55
  safe.
• 4:57
  Does
• 4:57
  that
• 4:57
  make
• 4:57
  sense?
• 4:58
  Yeah.
• 4:59
  And
• 5:01
  it,
• 5:01
  but
• 5:02
  it,
• 5:02
  it,
• 5:02
  it
• 5:03
  can
• 5:03
  tend
• 5:03
  to
• 5:03
  run
• 5:03
  away.
• 5:04
  Well,
• 5:04
  what
• 5:04
  about
• 5:05
  this?
• 5:05
  What
• 5:05
  about
• 5:05
  that?
• 5:06
  What
• 5:06
  about
• 5:06
  that?
• 5:07
  And
• 5:08
  to
• 5:08
  try
• 5:08
  on
• 5:08
  all
• 5:09
  these
• 5:09
  different
• 5:09
  scenarios.
• 5:11
  I,
• 5:11
  I,
• 5:12
  I
• 5:12
  know
• 5:12
  that
• 5:14
  it's
• 5:15
  easy
• 5:15
  to
• 5:15
  get
• 5:15
  caught
• 5:16
  up
• 5:16
  in
• 5:16
  a
• 5:16
  loop
• 5:16
  like
• 5:17
  that.
• 5:17
  And
• 5:19
  one
• 5:19
  of
• 5:19
  the
• 5:19
  things
• 5:19
  that
• 5:20
  I
• 5:20
  wanted
• 5:20
  to
• 5:20
  mention,
• 5:20
  and
• 5:20
  then
• 5:21
  I
• 5:21
  say,
• 5:21
  see,
• 5:21
  you've
• 5:22
  got
• 5:22
  something
• 5:22
  to
• 5:22
  offer.
• 5:23
  Haley.
• 5:25
  My
• 5:25
  daughter
• 5:25
  is
• 5:26
  down
• 5:26
  syndrome.
• 5:26
  And
• 5:27
  I
• 5:27
  know
• 5:27
  I've
• 5:27
  told
• 5:28
  this
• 5:28
  story
• 5:28
  in,
• 5:28
  in
• 5:29
  class,
• 5:29
  Colette,
• 5:30
  the.
• 5:30
  But
• 5:31
  the
• 5:31
  wisest
• 5:31
  thing
• 5:31
  she
• 5:32
  ever
• 5:32
  said
• 5:32
  to
• 5:32
  me
• 5:32
  was
• 5:32
  when
• 5:33
  she
• 5:33
  made
• 5:33
  an
• 5:33
  error,
• 5:33
  she'd
• 5:34
  go,
• 5:34
  oh,
• 5:34
  silly
• 5:35
  me.
• 5:36
  Right?
• 5:36
  And
• 5:36
  so
• 5:36
  when
• 5:36
  I
• 5:37
  find
• 5:37
  myself
• 5:37
  getting
• 5:37
  caught
• 5:38
  up
• 5:38
  in,
• 5:38
  in
• 5:39
  the
• 5:39
  anxiety,
• 5:40
  I'll
• 5:40
  go,
• 5:40
  oh,
• 5:41
  wait,
• 5:41
  silly
• 5:42
  me.
• 5:42
  I
• 5:42
  got
• 5:43
  Anxious.
• 5:44
  So,
• 5:45
  Haley,
• 5:45
  what
• 5:46
  did.
• 5:46
  What
• 5:46
  did
• 5:46
  you
• 5:46
  have?
• 5:47
  Well,
• 5:47
  one
• 5:47
  to
• 5:47
  that
• 5:48
  story.
• 5:48
  I
• 5:48
  really
• 5:49
  like
• 5:49
  that
• 5:49
  because
• 5:49
  I
• 5:49
  think,
• 5:50
  personally,
• 5:50
  I
• 5:50
  tend
• 5:50
  to
• 5:51
  be
• 5:51
  a
• 5:51
  lot
• 5:51
  harder
• 5:52
  on
• 5:52
  myself,
• 5:53
  which
• 5:53
  is
• 5:54
  silly,
• 5:54
  because
• 5:54
  I
• 5:54
  wouldn't
• 5:54
  be
• 5:55
  hard
• 5:55
  on
• 5:55
  a
• 5:55
  friend
• 5:56
  or
• 5:56
  colleague
• 5:57
  in
• 5:57
  the
• 5:57
  same
• 5:57
  way.
• 5:58
  So
• 5:58
  I
• 5:58
  think
• 5:58
  that
• 5:58
  silly
• 5:59
  me
• 5:59
  philosophy
• 6:00
  is
• 6:01
  very
• 6:01
  good
• 6:01
  going
• 6:02
  forward.
• 6:02
  Right.
• 6:03
  So
• 6:04
  loving.
• 6:04
  I
• 6:04
  mean,
• 6:04
  yeah,
• 6:05
  I
• 6:05
  just.
• 6:06
  I'm
• 6:06
  so
• 6:06
  grateful
• 6:07
  for
• 6:07
  her
• 6:07
  offering.
• 6:08
  Forgiving.
• 6:09
  Very.
• 6:09
  Just
• 6:09
  like,
• 6:10
  hey.
• 6:10
  And
• 6:11
  I
• 6:11
  also
• 6:11
  want
• 6:11
  to
• 6:11
  go
• 6:11
  back
• 6:12
  because
• 6:12
  I
• 6:12
  think
• 6:12
  it's
• 6:12
  really
• 6:12
  interesting
• 6:13
  because
• 6:13
  I
• 6:13
  think
• 6:13
  a
• 6:13
  lot
• 6:13
  of
• 6:14
  creatives
• 6:15
  have
• 6:15
  anxiety,
• 6:16
  and
• 6:16
  I
• 6:17
  think
• 6:17
  that's
• 6:17
  because,
• 6:18
  at
• 6:18
  least,
• 6:18
  like,
• 6:20
  for
• 6:20
  myself,
• 6:20
  it's
• 6:21
  like.
• 6:21
  And
• 6:21
  I
• 6:21
  can.
• 6:21
  I
• 6:22
  consider
• 6:22
  myself
• 6:22
  a
• 6:23
  poet,
• 6:23
  writer,
• 6:23
  artist,
• 6:24
  whatever,
• 6:25
  what
• 6:25
  have
• 6:25
  you.
• 6:27
  It's
• 6:28
  like
• 6:28
  we're
• 6:28
  constantly
• 6:28
  thinking
• 6:29
  the
• 6:29
  what
• 6:30
  ifs
• 6:30
  and
• 6:31
  the
• 6:31
  scenarios.
• 6:32
  And
• 6:33
  I
• 6:33
  think,
• 6:34
  like,
• 6:34
  biologically,
• 6:35
  that's
• 6:35
  supposed
• 6:36
  to
• 6:36
  make
• 6:36
  us
• 6:37
  be
• 6:37
  ready
• 6:37
  for,
• 6:38
  like,
• 6:38
  the
• 6:38
  next
• 6:38
  thing,
• 6:38
  right?
• 6:39
  And
• 6:39
  it's
• 6:39
  supposed
• 6:39
  to
• 6:39
  get
• 6:39
  us
• 6:39
  ready,
• 6:40
  but
• 6:41
  in
• 6:41
  today's
• 6:41
  world,
• 6:42
  that's
• 6:42
  not
• 6:43
  so
• 6:43
  necessary.
• 6:44
  And
• 6:44
  instead,
• 6:45
  it's
• 6:45
  just
• 6:45
  ruminating
• 6:46
  over
• 6:48
  problems
• 6:48
  that,
• 6:49
  like,
• 6:50
  probably
• 6:50
  aren't
• 6:51
  gonna
• 6:51
  happen.
• 6:52
  And
• 6:53
  so
• 6:53
  if
• 6:53
  you
• 6:53
  funnel
• 6:54
  it
• 6:54
  to
• 6:54
  creative
• 6:54
  side,
• 6:55
  that's
• 6:55
  when
• 6:55
  you
• 6:55
  get
• 6:55
  your
• 6:55
  stories.
• 6:56
  That's
• 6:56
  when
• 6:56
  you
• 6:56
  get,
• 6:57
  like,
• 6:57
  your
• 6:57
  big,
• 6:58
  fantastical,
• 6:59
  like,
• 6:59
  stories.
• 7:00
  I
• 7:00
  know
• 7:00
  Colette
• 7:01
  likes
• 7:01
  fantasy
• 7:01
  a
• 7:02
  lot,
• 7:02
  and,
• 7:02
  like,
• 7:02
  that's
• 7:03
  where
• 7:03
  you
• 7:03
  can
• 7:03
  really
• 7:03
  feed
• 7:04
  into
• 7:04
  that.
• 7:05
  But
• 7:05
  if
• 7:05
  you
• 7:06
  kind
• 7:06
  of
• 7:06
  go
• 7:06
  down
• 7:07
  the
• 7:07
  rabbit
• 7:07
  hole,
• 7:08
  that's
• 7:08
  where
• 7:08
  you
• 7:08
  can
• 7:08
  also
• 7:09
  get,
• 7:09
  like,
• 7:10
  spiraling
• 7:11
  and
• 7:12
  kind
• 7:12
  of
• 7:13
  losing
• 7:13
  control.
• 7:15
  And
• 7:16
  so
• 7:16
  I
• 7:16
  think
• 7:16
  it's
• 7:17
  really
• 7:17
  interesting
• 7:18
  how
• 7:18
  those
• 7:18
  two
• 7:19
  think
• 7:20
  the
• 7:20
  creativity,
• 7:21
  but
• 7:21
  also,
• 7:22
  like,
• 7:22
  the
• 7:22
  anxiety
• 7:23
  are
• 7:24
  connected
• 7:25
  in
• 7:25
  that
• 7:25
  way.
• 7:25
  And
• 7:25
  I'm
• 7:26
  actually
• 7:27
  not
• 7:27
  off
• 7:28
  topic,
• 7:28
  but
• 7:28
  I'm
• 7:28
  currently
• 7:29
  taking
• 7:29
  a
• 7:29
  class
• 7:29
  at
• 7:29
  Sonoma
• 7:30
  State
• 7:30
  Death
• 7:31
  and
• 7:31
  Dying
• 7:31
  class
• 7:32
  in
• 7:32
  the
• 7:32
  Hutchins
• 7:33
  program.
• 7:33
  And
• 7:34
  it's
• 7:34
  really
• 7:34
  interesting
• 7:35
  because,
• 7:36
  like,
• 7:36
  personally,
• 7:37
  I
• 7:37
  get
• 7:37
  a
• 7:37
  lot
• 7:38
  of
• 7:38
  death
• 7:38
  anxiety,
• 7:39
  and
• 7:39
  a
• 7:39
  lot
• 7:39
  of
• 7:40
  that
• 7:40
  comes
• 7:40
  from
• 7:40
  the
• 7:40
  what
• 7:41
  ifs
• 7:41
  and
• 7:41
  the
• 7:42
  unknown,
• 7:42
  which
• 7:42
  I
• 7:43
  think
• 7:43
  a
• 7:43
  lot
• 7:43
  of
• 7:43
  anxiety
• 7:44
  is
• 7:45
  the
• 7:45
  unknown.
• 7:45
  But,
• 7:46
  like,
• 7:46
  out
• 7:46
  of
• 7:46
  most
• 7:46
  things,
• 7:47
  that's
• 7:47
  not
• 7:47
  something
• 7:47
  that
• 7:48
  we
• 7:48
  can
• 7:48
  really
• 7:48
  ever
• 7:48
  know.
• 7:49
  And
• 7:50
  so
• 7:51
  it's
• 7:51
  been
• 7:51
  interesting
• 7:52
  taking
• 7:52
  this
• 7:52
  class
• 7:53
  and
• 7:53
  coming
• 7:53
  to
• 7:53
  terms
• 7:54
  with
• 7:54
  just,
• 7:54
  like,
• 7:54
  hearing
• 7:55
  other
• 7:55
  people's
• 7:56
  ideas
• 7:57
  and
• 7:58
  kind
• 7:58
  of
• 7:58
  just
• 7:58
  coming
• 7:59
  to
• 7:59
  a
• 7:59
  sense
• 8:00
  of
• 8:01
  trying
• 8:01
  to
• 8:01
  come
• 8:01
  to
• 8:02
  a
• 8:02
  sense
• 8:02
  of
• 8:02
  calm,
• 8:02
  of
• 8:03
  not.
• 8:04
  Not
• 8:05
  knowing.
• 8:05
  Right.
• 8:05
  And
• 8:06
  I
• 8:06
  think
• 8:07
  that
• 8:07
  not
• 8:08
  knowing
• 8:08
  whether
• 8:08
  it's
• 8:09
  about
• 8:09
  after
• 8:09
  our
• 8:10
  life
• 8:10
  or
• 8:11
  just.
• 8:11
  Just
• 8:11
  the
• 8:11
  rest
• 8:11
  of
• 8:12
  our
• 8:12
  life
• 8:12
  can
• 8:13
  be
• 8:13
  where
• 8:13
  the
• 8:13
  creativity
• 8:14
  is.
• 8:14
  Because,
• 8:15
  you
• 8:15
  know,
• 8:16
  if
• 8:16
  you're
• 8:16
  not
• 8:16
  set
• 8:16
  on
• 8:17
  a
• 8:17
  predetermined
• 8:18
  path
• 8:18
  or
• 8:18
  not
• 8:18
  set
• 8:19
  on
• 8:19
  a
• 8:20
  predetermined
• 8:21
  afterlife,
• 8:21
  what
• 8:22
  have
• 8:22
  you,
• 8:22
  et
• 8:22
  cetera,
• 8:22
  et
• 8:23
  cetera
• 8:23
  you
• 8:24
  can.
• 8:24
  It
• 8:24
  allows
• 8:25
  for
• 8:25
  a
• 8:25
  lot
• 8:25
  of
• 8:25
  growth,
• 8:26
  it
• 8:26
  allows
• 8:26
  for
• 8:27
  a
• 8:27
  lot
• 8:27
  of
• 8:27
  opportunity
• 8:28
  where
• 8:28
  if
• 8:28
  you
• 8:29
  just
• 8:29
  thought,
• 8:29
  hey,
• 8:29
  this
• 8:30
  is
• 8:30
  where
• 8:30
  I'm
• 8:30
  going
• 8:31
  to
• 8:31
  end
• 8:31
  up,
• 8:32
  you
• 8:32
  might
• 8:33
  be
• 8:33
  on
• 8:33
  a
• 8:33
  prescribed
• 8:34
  path
• 8:34
  with
• 8:34
  not
• 8:35
  a
• 8:35
  lot
• 8:35
  of
• 8:35
  room
• 8:35
  to,
• 8:36
  to
• 8:36
  change.
• 8:37
  So.
• 8:38
  Andrew,
• 8:38
  you're
• 8:40
  quiet
• 8:40
  there.
• 8:41
  I
• 8:41
  have,
• 8:41
  well,
• 8:42
  yeah,
• 8:42
  because
• 8:43
  I
• 8:43
  haven't
• 8:44
  taken,
• 8:45
  you
• 8:45
  know,
• 8:45
  your
• 8:45
  philosophy
• 8:46
  classes
• 8:46
  here.
• 8:46
  I'm
• 8:47
  a
• 8:47
  physics
• 8:47
  major,
• 8:47
  so
• 8:47
  I,
• 8:48
  I
• 8:48
  transferred
• 8:48
  last
• 8:48
  year.
• 8:49
  I
• 8:49
  haven't
• 8:49
  gotten
• 8:49
  a
• 8:49
  chance.
• 8:49
  So
• 8:50
  some
• 8:50
  ways
• 8:50
  I
• 8:50
  can't
• 8:50
  relate.
• 8:51
  But
• 8:52
  death,
• 8:52
  I
• 8:53
  can,
• 8:53
  I
• 8:53
  can
• 8:53
  riff.
• 8:53
  Off
• 8:54
  of
• 8:54
  the
• 8:54
  death
• 8:54
  stuff
• 8:54
  and
• 8:55
  there's
• 8:55
  always
• 8:55
  Schrodinger's
• 8:56
  cap.
• 8:56
  You
• 8:57
  know,
• 8:58
  I,
• 8:58
  I
• 8:59
  have
• 8:59
  spent
• 8:59
  a
• 8:59
  lot
• 8:59
  of
• 8:59
  time
• 9:00
  thinking
• 9:00
  about
• 9:00
  death
• 9:01
  stuff
• 9:01
  and
• 9:01
  stuff.
• 9:01
  I
• 9:02
  don't
• 9:02
  have
• 9:02
  the
• 9:02
  anxiety
• 9:02
  per
• 9:03
  se,
• 9:03
  but
• 9:04
  it's
• 9:04
  partly
• 9:04
  because
• 9:04
  I
• 9:04
  do
• 9:04
  spend
• 9:04
  a
• 9:05
  lot
• 9:05
  of
• 9:05
  time
• 9:05
  thinking
• 9:05
  about
• 9:05
  that
• 9:05
  and
• 9:06
  I
• 9:06
  think
• 9:06
  about
• 9:06
  like
• 9:07
  what
• 9:07
  I
• 9:07
  actually
• 9:08
  want
• 9:08
  to
• 9:08
  do
• 9:08
  with
• 9:08
  my
• 9:08
  life.
• 9:08
  And
• 9:09
  I
• 9:09
  have
• 9:09
  like
• 9:09
  a
• 9:09
  list
• 9:09
  of
• 9:09
  things.
• 9:10
  I
• 9:10
  have
• 9:10
  many
• 9:10
  things
• 9:10
  I
• 9:10
  wish
• 9:11
  to
• 9:11
  accomplish.
• 9:11
  I
• 9:11
  have
• 9:12
  many
• 9:12
  things
• 9:12
  that
• 9:13
  I
• 9:13
  wish
• 9:13
  to
• 9:13
  do
• 9:14
  and
• 9:14
  stuff
• 9:14
  and
• 9:15
  such.
• 9:15
  But
• 9:16
  to
• 9:16
  me,
• 9:17
  I
• 9:17
  think
• 9:18
  I,
• 9:19
  it's
• 9:19
  hard
• 9:19
  to
• 9:19
  say
• 9:19
  I
• 9:20
  ever
• 9:20
  really
• 9:20
  had
• 9:20
  a
• 9:20
  fear
• 9:20
  of
• 9:20
  death.
• 9:21
  So
• 9:21
  maybe
• 9:21
  you
• 9:22
  can
• 9:22
  call
• 9:22
  it
• 9:22
  an
• 9:22
  anxiety
• 9:23
  of
• 9:23
  death,
• 9:23
  but
• 9:23
  I've,
• 9:24
  I've
• 9:24
  eliminated
• 9:24
  that
• 9:25
  through
• 9:25
  thinking
• 9:25
  about
• 9:26
  who
• 9:27
  I
• 9:27
  am.
• 9:27
  Like
• 9:27
  what,
• 9:27
  what
• 9:28
  is
• 9:28
  my
• 9:28
  entire
• 9:28
  moral
• 9:29
  framework
• 9:29
  and
• 9:29
  why
• 9:29
  do
• 9:30
  I
• 9:30
  have
• 9:30
  the
• 9:30
  moral
• 9:30
  framework
• 9:30
  that
• 9:31
  I
• 9:31
  do?
• 9:31
  Not
• 9:31
  just
• 9:31
  my
• 9:32
  feelings
• 9:32
  on
• 9:32
  morality,
• 9:33
  but
• 9:33
  like,
• 9:33
  okay,
• 9:33
  specifically,
• 9:34
  can
• 9:34
  I
• 9:34
  log
• 9:35
  my
• 9:35
  morality?
• 9:37
  I've
• 9:37
  done
• 9:37
  a
• 9:37
  lot
• 9:37
  of
• 9:37
  that
• 9:37
  stuff
• 9:38
  and
• 9:38
  not
• 9:39
  just
• 9:39
  morality,
• 9:39
  but
• 9:39
  just
• 9:39
  personality,
• 9:41
  especially
• 9:41
  personality,
• 9:43
  maybe
• 9:43
  even
• 9:43
  more
• 9:43
  so.
• 9:44
  And
• 9:45
  because
• 9:45
  I
• 9:45
  have
• 9:45
  spent
• 9:46
  a
• 9:46
  lot
• 9:46
  of
• 9:46
  time
• 9:47
  self
• 9:47
  internalizing
• 9:48
  that,
• 9:48
  I,
• 9:49
  I
• 9:49
  feel
• 9:49
  like
• 9:49
  I
• 9:49
  have
• 9:50
  a
• 9:50
  comfortability.
• 9:51
  Like
• 9:51
  if,
• 9:51
  if
• 9:51
  death
• 9:52
  was
• 9:52
  suddenly
• 9:53
  inevitable,
• 9:54
  right,
• 9:54
  say,
• 9:54
  say
• 9:55
  the
• 9:55
  Kamchata
• 9:56
  Peninsula
• 9:57
  and
• 9:57
  Russia
• 9:57
  gets
• 9:57
  another
• 9:58
  gigantic
• 9:58
  earthquake
• 9:59
  and
• 9:59
  it
• 9:59
  sends
• 9:59
  a
• 9:59
  tsunami
• 10:00
  our
• 10:00
  way
• 10:00
  and
• 10:00
  it
• 10:00
  comes
• 10:01
  inland,
• 10:01
  whatever,
• 10:02
  I,
• 10:04
  I
• 10:04
  feel
• 10:04
  like
• 10:04
  I
• 10:04
  would
• 10:04
  be
• 10:04
  at
• 10:05
  peace.
• 10:05
  I,
• 10:06
  I
• 10:06
  feel
• 10:06
  like
• 10:07
  I,
• 10:08
  I
• 10:08
  would
• 10:08
  feel
• 10:08
  a
• 10:08
  lot
• 10:09
  of,
• 10:09
  oh
• 10:10
  my
• 10:10
  gosh,
• 10:10
  I'm
• 10:10
  going
• 10:10
  to
• 10:11
  miss
• 10:11
  out
• 10:11
  on
• 10:11
  so
• 10:11
  many
• 10:11
  things
• 10:13
  and
• 10:13
  I,
• 10:13
  I
• 10:14
  would
• 10:14
  probably
• 10:14
  have
• 10:14
  quite
• 10:15
  a
• 10:15
  wave
• 10:15
  of
• 10:15
  anxiety
• 10:15
  because
• 10:16
  honestly,
• 10:16
  last
• 10:16
  five
• 10:17
  years
• 10:17
  of
• 10:17
  my
• 10:17
  life
• 10:17
  and
• 10:18
  last
• 10:18
  four
• 10:18
  months,
• 10:18
  oh
• 10:19
  my
• 10:19
  God,
• 10:19
  the
• 10:19
  last
• 10:19
  four
• 10:19
  months
• 10:19
  have
• 10:20
  been
• 10:20
  in.
• 10:21
  But
• 10:22
  despite
• 10:22
  all
• 10:22
  that,
• 10:24
  I
• 10:25
  would,
• 10:25
  the,
• 10:26
  the
• 10:26
  idea
• 10:26
  that
• 10:26
  I
• 10:26
  can
• 10:27
  connect
• 10:27
  with
• 10:28
  who
• 10:28
  I
• 10:29
  truly
• 10:29
  am
• 10:29
  that
• 10:29
  I
• 10:29
  feel
• 10:29
  like.
• 10:30
  And
• 10:30
  you
• 10:31
  know,
• 10:31
  I
• 10:31
  still
• 10:31
  have
• 10:31
  the
• 10:32
  rest
• 10:32
  of
• 10:32
  my
• 10:32
  life,
• 10:32
  however
• 10:33
  long,
• 10:33
  long
• 10:33
  that
• 10:34
  is,
• 10:34
  to
• 10:34
  keep
• 10:35
  doing
• 10:35
  that
• 10:35
  self
• 10:35
  discovery
• 10:36
  and
• 10:36
  I'm
• 10:36
  going
• 10:37
  to
• 10:37
  keep
• 10:37
  looking
• 10:37
  into
• 10:37
  that.
• 10:38
  But
• 10:38
  I,
• 10:38
  I
• 10:38
  feel
• 10:39
  genuinely
• 10:40
  like
• 10:40
  I
• 10:40
  have
• 10:40
  a
• 10:41
  true
• 10:41
  strong
• 10:41
  sense
• 10:42
  of
• 10:42
  who
• 10:42
  I
• 10:42
  am
• 10:43
  to,
• 10:43
  to
• 10:43
  the
• 10:43
  best
• 10:43
  of
• 10:44
  my
• 10:44
  ability
• 10:44
  to
• 10:44
  self
• 10:44
  Interrogate
• 10:45
  that.
• 10:46
  And
• 10:47
  I
• 10:47
  find
• 10:48
  a
• 10:49
  lot
• 10:49
  of
• 10:49
  comfort
• 10:49
  in
• 10:50
  that.
• 10:50
  And,
• 10:50
  and
• 10:51
  so
• 10:51
  the
• 10:51
  idea
• 10:51
  that
• 10:53
  death
• 10:54
  may
• 10:54
  come
• 10:54
  for
• 10:54
  me
• 10:55
  soon,
• 10:55
  if
• 10:55
  it
• 10:55
  does,
• 10:57
  it
• 10:57
  doesn't
• 10:58
  scare
• 10:59
  me.
• 10:59
  I.
• 10:59
  I
• 11:00
  feel
• 11:00
  like
• 11:01
  I,
• 11:01
  I
• 11:01
  feel
• 11:01
  a
• 11:02
  deep
• 11:02
  sense
• 11:02
  of
• 11:02
  purpose
• 11:03
  just
• 11:03
  by
• 11:03
  understanding
• 11:04
  myself.
• 11:04
  Oh,
• 11:04
  cool.
• 11:05
  So.
• 11:06
  So.
• 11:06
  Yeah,
• 11:06
  so.
• 11:06
  So
• 11:06
  in
• 11:07
  that
• 11:07
  sense,
• 11:07
  I
• 11:08
  feel
• 11:08
  like
• 11:08
  I'm.
• 11:08
  I'm
• 11:09
  mostly
• 11:09
  good.
• 11:09
  Like
• 11:09
  death
• 11:10
  is.
• 11:10
  Yeah,
• 11:11
  there's.
• 11:11
  There's
• 11:12
  problems.
• 11:12
  I
• 11:12
  don't
• 11:12
  want
• 11:13
  to
• 11:13
  die,
• 11:13
  but
• 11:14
  I,
• 11:15
  I
• 11:15
  feel
• 11:15
  okay.
• 11:16
  I
• 11:17
  feel
• 11:17
  like
• 11:18
  I'm
• 11:18
  okay
• 11:18
  with
• 11:19
  death.
• 11:19
  And,
• 11:20
  and
• 11:20
  bringing
• 11:20
  it
• 11:20
  to
• 11:21
  a
• 11:21
  Buddhist
• 11:22
  thing
• 11:22
  that
• 11:23
  there's
• 11:23
  a
• 11:24
  Buddhist
• 11:24
  sutra
• 11:25
  called
• 11:25
  Fundamental.
• 11:26
  Actualizing
• 11:27
  the
• 11:27
  Fundamental
• 11:27
  Point.
• 11:27
  And
• 11:28
  it
• 11:28
  starts
• 11:28
  out
• 11:29
  to,
• 11:29
  to
• 11:29
  study
• 11:30
  the
• 11:30
  Buddha
• 11:30
  Way
• 11:30
  is
• 11:30
  study
• 11:31
  the
• 11:31
  self.
• 11:32
  And
• 11:33
  I
• 11:33
  really
• 11:33
  appreciate.
• 11:34
  And
• 11:34
  that.
• 11:36
  Adam,
• 11:37
  do
• 11:37
  you
• 11:37
  recall
• 11:37
  what.
• 11:38
  What
• 11:38
  the
• 11:39
  Buddha
• 11:39
  said
• 11:39
  about
• 11:39
  studying
• 11:40
  the
• 11:40
  self?
• 11:41
  Well,
• 11:42
  what's
• 11:42
  coming
• 11:42
  to
• 11:42
  mind
• 11:43
  more
• 11:43
  than
• 11:43
  that
• 11:43
  is
• 11:43
  that
• 11:43
  my
• 11:43
  dissertation
• 11:44
  was
• 11:44
  titled
• 11:45
  the
• 11:45
  Self
• 11:45
  Cultivation
• 11:45
  and
• 11:46
  Personality
• 11:46
  the
• 11:46
  Superior
• 11:47
  Person
• 11:47
  in
• 11:47
  Original
• 11:48
  Confucianism.
• 11:49
  So
• 11:51
  that,
• 11:51
  that
• 11:52
  hits
• 11:52
  home
• 11:53
  as
• 11:53
  far
• 11:53
  as
• 11:53
  the
• 11:53
  Buddha
• 11:54
  didn't.
• 11:55
  He's
• 11:55
  talking
• 11:55
  about
• 11:56
  that.
• 11:56
  You
• 11:56
  know,
• 11:56
  you've
• 11:57
  got
• 11:57
  to
• 11:58
  study
• 11:59
  what's
• 11:59
  happening
• 12:00
  in,
• 12:00
  in
• 12:00
  as
• 12:01
  a
• 12:01
  human
• 12:01
  being
• 12:02
  to
• 12:03
  be
• 12:03
  able
• 12:03
  to
• 12:03
  then
• 12:04
  make
• 12:04
  a
• 12:04
  choice.
• 12:06
  Right.
• 12:06
  Yeah.
• 12:07
  I
• 12:07
  always,
• 12:07
  I
• 12:07
  always
• 12:08
  try
• 12:09
  to
• 12:09
  ground
• 12:09
  my
• 12:11
  Buddhist
• 12:11
  musings
• 12:12
  on
• 12:12
  Siddhartha
• 12:13
  himself
• 12:14
  when
• 12:14
  he
• 12:14
  first
• 12:14
  was
• 12:14
  alive.
• 12:15
  Yep.
• 12:16
  And
• 12:16
  I
• 12:17
  remember
• 12:17
  that
• 12:17
  he
• 12:18
  discovered
• 12:18
  the
• 12:19
  Middle
• 12:19
  Way,
• 12:19
  which
• 12:19
  I
• 12:19
  think
• 12:19
  is
• 12:20
  always
• 12:20
  helpful
• 12:20
  to
• 12:20
  return
• 12:20
  to,
• 12:21
  and
• 12:22
  the
• 12:22
  Four
• 12:22
  Noble
• 12:23
  Truths
• 12:23
  and
• 12:24
  the
• 12:24
  Eightfold
• 12:25
  Path.
• 12:25
  So
• 12:25
  if
• 12:26
  you
• 12:26
  look
• 12:26
  at
• 12:26
  the
• 12:26
  Eightfold
• 12:27
  Path,
• 12:27
  there's,
• 12:28
  There's,
• 12:28
  you
• 12:28
  know,
• 12:28
  right
• 12:29
  action,
• 12:29
  right
• 12:29
  perception,
• 12:30
  right
• 12:32
  livelihood.
• 12:33
  It's
• 12:33
  all
• 12:33
  about
• 12:34
  orienting
• 12:34
  things
• 12:35
  in
• 12:35
  the
• 12:35
  right
• 12:35
  way.
• 12:36
  So
• 12:36
  when
• 12:37
  we're
• 12:37
  suffering,
• 12:37
  we're
• 12:38
  disoriented.
• 12:38
  That's
• 12:39
  the
• 12:39
  First
• 12:39
  Noble
• 12:39
  Truth.
• 12:40
  The
• 12:41
  reason
• 12:41
  why
• 12:41
  we
• 12:41
  suffer
• 12:42
  is
• 12:42
  because
• 12:42
  we're
• 12:42
  disoriented.
• 12:44
  So
• 12:44
  in
• 12:44
  this
• 12:44
  sense,
• 12:45
  that's
• 12:45
  where
• 12:45
  our
• 12:45
  sense
• 12:46
  of
• 12:46
  self
• 12:46
  comes
• 12:47
  in.
• 12:47
  Because
• 12:47
  if
• 12:48
  we're
• 12:48
  identifying
• 12:49
  the
• 12:49
  cause
• 12:49
  of
• 12:50
  this.
• 12:50
  Right.
• 12:50
  The
• 12:51
  cause
• 12:51
  of
• 12:51
  this
• 12:51
  suffering,
• 12:52
  this
• 12:53
  disorientation
• 12:53
  is
• 12:54
  that
• 12:54
  we
• 12:54
  is
• 12:54
  desire.
• 12:55
  That's
• 12:55
  the
• 12:55
  Second
• 12:55
  Noble
• 12:56
  Truth.
• 12:57
  So
• 12:58
  when
• 12:58
  we
• 12:58
  orient
• 12:59
  and
• 12:59
  identify
• 13:00
  and
• 13:00
  chase
• 13:01
  desire,
• 13:02
  it
• 13:02
  is
• 13:03
  insatiable.
• 13:04
  Desire
• 13:04
  can
• 13:05
  always.
• 13:05
  You
• 13:06
  always
• 13:06
  want
• 13:06
  more.
• 13:07
  You
• 13:07
  always
• 13:08
  want
• 13:08
  more.
• 13:09
  So
• 13:09
  if
• 13:09
  you
• 13:09
  identify
• 13:09
  with
• 13:10
  your
• 13:10
  wanting,
• 13:10
  then
• 13:11
  you
• 13:11
  can,
• 13:11
  you,
• 13:11
  you,
• 13:12
  you
• 13:12
  want
• 13:13
  it,
• 13:13
  you
• 13:13
  don't
• 13:13
  have
• 13:13
  it,
• 13:13
  you're
• 13:13
  sad,
• 13:14
  you
• 13:14
  get
• 13:15
  it,
• 13:15
  you
• 13:15
  like
• 13:15
  it
• 13:16
  for
• 13:16
  a
• 13:16
  little
• 13:16
  while,
• 13:16
  then
• 13:16
  you're
• 13:16
  disappointed.
• 13:17
  So
• 13:17
  if
• 13:17
  you're
• 13:18
  identifying
• 13:18
  with
• 13:18
  your
• 13:19
  desire,
• 13:19
  you're
• 13:19
  always
• 13:20
  going
• 13:20
  to
• 13:20
  be
• 13:20
  disoriented.
• 13:21
  But
• 13:22
  the,
• 13:22
  the
• 13:22
  cure,
• 13:23
  the
• 13:23
  Third
• 13:23
  Noble
• 13:24
  Truth.
• 13:24
  There's
• 13:24
  a
• 13:24
  cure.
• 13:24
  The
• 13:25
  Fourth
• 13:25
  Noble
• 13:25
  Truth.
• 13:25
  The
• 13:25
  cure
• 13:26
  is
• 13:26
  to
• 13:27
  have
• 13:27
  a
• 13:27
  right
• 13:28
  Orientation,
• 13:29
  right
• 13:29
  practice,
• 13:30
  right
• 13:30
  livelihood,
• 13:31
  right
• 13:31
  speech,
• 13:31
  this
• 13:31
  kind
• 13:32
  of
• 13:32
  thing.
• 13:32
  The
• 13:32
  eight.
• 13:33
  You
• 13:33
  can
• 13:33
  call
• 13:33
  them
• 13:33
  the
• 13:33
  eight
• 13:34
  rights
• 13:34
  in
• 13:34
  a
• 13:34
  lot
• 13:34
  of
• 13:35
  ways.
• 13:35
  Right.
• 13:36
  When
• 13:36
  you
• 13:36
  have
• 13:36
  this
• 13:37
  right
• 13:37
  orientation,
• 13:38
  then
• 13:38
  it's
• 13:39
  like
• 13:39
  a
• 13:39
  wheel.
• 13:40
  The
• 13:40
  desire
• 13:41
  is
• 13:41
  the
• 13:41
  outside
• 13:42
  of
• 13:42
  the
• 13:42
  wheel.
• 13:42
  You're
• 13:42
  spinning,
• 13:43
  spinning,
• 13:43
  spinning,
• 13:43
  spinning,
• 13:44
  spinning
• 13:45
  out
• 13:45
  of
• 13:45
  control,
• 13:46
  never
• 13:46
  ending.
• 13:47
  When
• 13:47
  you
• 13:47
  center
• 13:48
  yourself,
• 13:48
  you
• 13:48
  have
• 13:48
  a
• 13:48
  right
• 13:48
  orientation.
• 13:50
  Then
• 13:50
  you
• 13:51
  are
• 13:51
  at
• 13:51
  the
• 13:51
  hub,
• 13:51
  the
• 13:52
  spoke
• 13:52
  of
• 13:52
  the
• 13:52
  wheel.
• 13:53
  Then
• 13:54
  you
• 13:54
  can
• 13:55
  have
• 13:55
  peace.
• 13:55
  Then
• 13:56
  you
• 13:56
  do
• 13:56
  not
• 13:56
  have
• 13:56
  suffering.
• 13:57
  You
• 13:57
  feel
• 13:57
  centered.
• 13:58
  You
• 13:58
  can
• 13:58
  watch
• 13:58
  the
• 13:58
  desires
• 13:59
  pass
• 13:59
  through.
• 14:00
  Then
• 14:01
  you
• 14:01
  know
• 14:01
  you
• 14:01
  are
• 14:02
  not
• 14:02
  the
• 14:02
  desire.
• 14:02
  You
• 14:03
  know,
• 14:04
  your
• 14:04
  awareness
• 14:04
  like
• 14:05
  we're
• 14:05
  talking
• 14:05
  about
• 14:05
  all
• 14:05
  day.
• 14:05
  Your
• 14:06
  awareness
• 14:06
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• 14:06
  now
• 14:07
  centered.
• 14:07
  Centered.
• 14:07
  You
• 14:08
  can
• 14:08
  move
• 14:08
  your
• 14:08
  awareness
• 14:09
  around.
• 14:09
  But
• 14:10
  the
• 14:10
  point
• 14:10
  is
• 14:10
  you
• 14:10
  could
• 14:10
  even
• 14:11
  go,
• 14:11
  let
• 14:11
  your
• 14:11
  awareness
• 14:12
  go
• 14:12
  into
• 14:12
  the
• 14:12
  desire.
• 14:13
  But
• 14:13
  now
• 14:13
  you
• 14:13
  have
• 14:13
  a
• 14:13
  place
• 14:13
  to
• 14:14
  return
• 14:15
  so
• 14:15
  you
• 14:15
  can
• 14:15
  see
• 14:15
  your
• 14:15
  desire
• 14:16
  from
• 14:16
  a
• 14:16
  higher
• 14:16
  level.
• 14:16
  You're
• 14:17
  not,
• 14:17
  you're
• 14:17
  not
• 14:17
  getting
• 14:17
  disoriented
• 14:18
  by
• 14:18
  it
• 14:18
  because
• 14:19
  the,
• 14:19
  it's
• 14:20
  like
• 14:20
  a
• 14:20
  wheel
• 14:21
  that's
• 14:21
  off
• 14:21
  balance.
• 14:22
  When
• 14:22
  you're,
• 14:23
  when
• 14:23
  you're
• 14:23
  living
• 14:24
  on
• 14:24
  the
• 14:24
  outside
• 14:24
  of
• 14:24
  that
• 14:25
  desire,
• 14:25
  you
• 14:25
  return
• 14:26
  to
• 14:26
  balance
• 14:26
  by
• 14:27
  practicing
• 14:27
  the,
• 14:28
  the
• 14:28
  Eightfold
• 14:29
  path.
• 14:29
  Yeah,
• 14:29
  we
• 14:30
  have
• 14:30
  to
• 14:30
  return
• 14:30
  to
• 14:30
  balance
• 14:31
  right
• 14:31
  now
• 14:31
  by
• 14:31
  taking
• 14:32
  a
• 14:32
  short
• 14:32
  break.
• 14:32
  I'm
• 14:32
  Anthony
• 14:33
  Wright
• 14:33
  and
• 14:33
  I'm
• 14:33
  your
• 14:34
  co
• 14:34
  host
• 14:34
  on
• 14:35
  the
• 14:35
  Living
• 14:35
  Conversation
• 14:36
  with
• 14:37
  Adam
• 14:38
  Dietz.
• 14:38
  And
• 14:39
  our
• 14:39
  guests
• 14:40
  from
• 14:41
  the
• 14:41
  Sonoma
• 14:41
  State
• 14:42
  University
• 14:42
  Philosophy
• 14:43
  Club,
• 14:44
  President
• 14:45
  Colette
• 14:46
  and
• 14:46
  members
• 14:46
  Haley
• 14:47
  and
• 14:47
  Andrew.
• 14:48
  And
• 14:48
  how
• 14:48
  can
• 14:48
  people
• 14:49
  contact
• 14:49
  you?
• 14:50
  Collect.
• 14:51
  Hi.
• 14:52
  So
• 14:53
  just
• 14:53
  the
• 14:54
  Instagram
• 14:54
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• 14:54
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• 14:54
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• 14:55
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• 14:55
  SSU
• 14:56
  Philosophy
• 14:56
  Club.
• 14:57
  Reach
• 14:57
  out
• 14:57
  anytime.
• 14:58
  We'd
• 14:58
  love
• 14:58
  to
• 14:58
  hear
• 14:58
  from
• 14:59
  you.
• 14:59
  Okay.
• 14:59
  And
• 15:00
  Adam.
• 15:01
  Yeah.
• 15:01
  All
• 15:02
  my
• 15:02
  work
• 15:02
  is
• 15:02
  mostly
• 15:02
  funneled
• 15:03
  through
• 15:03
  substack
• 15:04
  at
• 15:04
  the
• 15:04
  way
• 15:04
  between@substack.com
• 15:06
  and
• 15:07
  you
• 15:07
  could.
• 15:07
  So
• 15:07
  all
• 15:08
  my
• 15:08
  links
• 15:08
  are
• 15:08
  there.
• 15:08
  We're
• 15:08
  on
• 15:08
  YouTube,
• 15:09
  Instagram,
• 15:09
  a
• 15:10
  bunch
• 15:10
  of
• 15:10
  other
• 15:10
  places.
• 15:10
  They're
• 15:11
  all
• 15:11
  there
• 15:11
  and
• 15:12
  you
• 15:12
  can
• 15:12
  find
• 15:12
  them
• 15:12
  there.
• 15:13
  But
• 15:13
  also
• 15:13
  you
• 15:13
  could
• 15:14
  email
• 15:14
  me@deedsadammail.com
• 15:16
  Dietz,
• 15:17
  Adam.
• 15:18
  And
• 15:18
  we'd
• 15:19
  love
• 15:19
  to
• 15:19
  have.
• 15:19
  I
• 15:19
  was
• 15:20
  mentioning
• 15:20
  before
• 15:20
  we
• 15:20
  might
• 15:21
  have
• 15:21
  a
• 15:21
  little
• 15:21
  mailbag
• 15:21
  segment
• 15:22
  one
• 15:22
  time.
• 15:22
  We're
• 15:22
  getting
• 15:22
  some
• 15:22
  comments
• 15:23
  on
• 15:23
  YouTube
• 15:23
  and
• 15:24
  different
• 15:24
  places
• 15:25
  so
• 15:25
  we
• 15:25
  can
• 15:25
  share
• 15:26
  them
• 15:26
  on
• 15:26
  air.
• 15:26
  One
• 15:26
  time.
• 15:26
  Time.
• 15:27
  Great.
• 15:27
  And
• 15:27
  I'm
• 15:27
  Anthony
• 15:28
  Wright
• 15:28
  and
• 15:29
  my
• 15:29
  website
• 15:29
  is
• 15:30
  theon.com
• 15:31
  that's
• 15:31
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• 15:31
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• 15:32
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• 15:32
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• 15:32
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• 15:32
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• 15:33
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• 15:33
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• 15:34
  So
• 15:34
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• 15:34
  a
• 15:34
  comment
• 15:35
  section
• 15:35
  there.
• 15:36
  So
• 15:36
  we'll
• 15:36
  be
• 15:36
  right
• 15:36
  back.
• 15:37
  So
• 15:37
  stay
• 15:37
  tuned.
• 15:50
  I'm
• 15:51
  Anthony
• 15:51
  Wright
• 15:52
  and
• 15:52
  I
• 15:52
  am
• 15:52
  your
• 15:52
  host.
• 15:53
  Co
• 15:54
  host.
• 15:54
  I'm
• 15:54
  sorry.
• 15:54
  Today
• 15:55
  with
• 15:57
  my
• 15:57
  co
• 15:57
  host
• 15:58
  Adam
• 15:58
  Dietz,
• 15:59
  we
• 15:59
  are
• 16:00
  on
• 16:00
  the
• 16:00
  Living
• 16:00
  Conversation
• 16:01
  and
• 16:02
  our
• 16:02
  guests
• 16:02
  today
• 16:03
  are
• 16:04
  the
• 16:04
  Sonoma
• 16:05
  State
• 16:05
  University
• 16:06
  Philosophy
• 16:06
  Club
• 16:07
  and
• 16:08
  with
• 16:08
  president
• 16:09
  Colette
• 16:10
  and
• 16:10
  members
• 16:11
  Haley
• 16:12
  and
• 16:12
  Andrew.
• 16:13
  And
• 16:13
  before
• 16:14
  the
• 16:14
  break,
• 16:15
  we
• 16:15
  were
• 16:15
  talking
• 16:15
  about
• 16:16
  the
• 16:16
  Eightfold
• 16:16
  path
• 16:17
  of
• 16:17
  the
• 16:17
  Buddha.
• 16:18
  But
• 16:19
  during
• 16:19
  our
• 16:19
  break,
• 16:20
  Andrew,
• 16:20
  you
• 16:21
  were
• 16:21
  talking
• 16:21
  a
• 16:21
  bit
• 16:22
  about
• 16:22
  using
• 16:23
  logic
• 16:24
  to
• 16:24
  engage
• 16:25
  with
• 16:26
  different
• 16:27
  domains
• 16:27
  of
• 16:28
  belief.
• 16:29
  And
• 16:30
  as
• 16:30
  Spock
• 16:31
  would
• 16:31
  say,
• 16:32
  that's
• 16:32
  fascinating.
• 16:34
  Yeah.
• 16:35
  To
• 16:35
  expand
• 16:36
  on
• 16:36
  that
• 16:36
  for
• 16:36
  the
• 16:36
  viewers
• 16:37
  a
• 16:37
  bit,
• 16:38
  I
• 16:38
  think,
• 16:39
  because
• 16:39
  we
• 16:39
  are
• 16:40
  subjective
• 16:40
  beings.
• 16:41
  And
• 16:41
  so
• 16:41
  I.
• 16:42
  I
• 16:42
  would
• 16:42
  say
• 16:42
  that
• 16:43
  I.
• 16:43
  I
• 16:43
  don't
• 16:43
  believe
• 16:43
  there's
• 16:44
  any
• 16:44
  reason
• 16:44
  to
• 16:44
  believe
• 16:45
  that
• 16:45
  there
• 16:45
  is
• 16:46
  objective
• 16:46
  purpose
• 16:47
  to
• 16:47
  the
• 16:47
  universe.
• 16:47
  I
• 16:47
  believe
• 16:48
  we
• 16:48
  have
• 16:48
  to
• 16:49
  find
• 16:50
  our
• 16:50
  own
• 16:50
  subjective
• 16:51
  purposes,
• 16:51
  and
• 16:51
  nobody
• 16:52
  can
• 16:53
  determine
• 16:53
  that
• 16:53
  for
• 16:53
  us.
• 16:54
  And
• 16:54
  part
• 16:55
  of
• 16:55
  what
• 16:55
  I
• 16:55
  see
• 16:55
  as
• 16:55
  my
• 16:56
  subjective
• 16:56
  purpose
• 16:56
  is
• 16:57
  that
• 16:57
  emotions
• 16:57
  make
• 16:58
  me
• 16:58
  feel
• 16:58
  good,
• 16:58
  emotions
• 16:59
  make
• 16:59
  me
• 16:59
  feel
• 16:59
  bad.
• 17:00
  I
• 17:00
  want
• 17:00
  to
• 17:01
  seek
• 17:01
  without
• 17:02
  limiting
• 17:02
  the
• 17:03
  freedoms,
• 17:03
  et
• 17:03
  cetera,
• 17:04
  of
• 17:04
  other
• 17:04
  people
• 17:04
  around
• 17:04
  me
• 17:06
  to
• 17:07
  have
• 17:07
  the
• 17:07
  best
• 17:07
  emotional
• 17:08
  experiences
• 17:09
  I
• 17:09
  can.
• 17:09
  So
• 17:10
  I
• 17:10
  would
• 17:11
  like
• 17:11
  to
• 17:11
  utilize
• 17:12
  the
• 17:12
  logical
• 17:12
  part
• 17:12
  of
• 17:13
  my
• 17:13
  brain
• 17:13
  to
• 17:13
  make
• 17:13
  sure
• 17:13
  I
• 17:14
  make
• 17:14
  the
• 17:14
  right
• 17:14
  logical
• 17:14
  decisions,
• 17:15
  such
• 17:15
  that
• 17:17
  I
• 17:17
  have
• 17:17
  the
• 17:17
  end
• 17:17
  goals
• 17:18
  of
• 17:18
  good
• 17:18
  emotional
• 17:19
  states,
• 17:19
  of
• 17:20
  promoting
• 17:20
  good
• 17:20
  emotional
• 17:21
  positivity
• 17:22
  in
• 17:23
  the
• 17:23
  world.
• 17:23
  And
• 17:23
  so
• 17:24
  in
• 17:24
  that
• 17:24
  sense.
• 17:25
  Hold
• 17:25
  on,
• 17:26
  I'm
• 17:26
  late.
• 17:26
  You
• 17:26
  want
• 17:27
  to
• 17:27
  restate
• 17:28
  a
• 17:29
  little
• 17:29
  bit?
• 17:29
  Because,
• 17:29
  like,
• 17:29
  I.
• 17:30
  I
• 17:30
  feel
• 17:30
  like.
• 17:30
  I'm
• 17:31
  sorry,
• 17:31
  I'm
• 17:31
  losing
• 17:31
  a
• 17:31
  little
• 17:31
  bit.
• 17:32
  Oh,
• 17:32
  no,
• 17:32
  that's
• 17:32
  quite
• 17:32
  all
• 17:33
  right.
• 17:33
  And
• 17:33
  I
• 17:33
  was
• 17:33
  just
• 17:33
  thinking
• 17:34
  about.
• 17:34
  Adam.
• 17:35
  What
• 17:36
  are.
• 17:36
  What
• 17:36
  are
• 17:37
  you
• 17:37
  remembering
• 17:37
  about.
• 17:38
  From
• 17:38
  a
• 17:39
  Western
• 17:39
  philosophy
• 17:40
  about
• 17:41
  the
• 17:41
  relationship
• 17:42
  of
• 17:43
  logic
• 17:44
  and
• 17:44
  emotion,
• 17:45
  how
• 17:45
  we
• 17:46
  can
• 17:46
  examine
• 17:47
  our
• 17:47
  life.
• 17:48
  Right.
• 17:49
  Yes,
• 17:49
  right.
• 17:50
  Most
• 17:50
  of
• 17:50
  my
• 17:50
  Western
• 17:51
  philosophy
• 17:51
  kind
• 17:52
  of
• 17:52
  inspiration
• 17:52
  comes
• 17:53
  from
• 17:53
  the
• 17:53
  Socratics.
• 17:55
  And
• 17:56
  I
• 17:56
  think
• 17:56
  that
• 17:56
  sometimes
• 17:57
  we
• 17:57
  can
• 17:58
  look
• 17:58
  at
• 17:59
  our
• 17:59
  emotion,
• 18:00
  can
• 18:00
  be
• 18:01
  like
• 18:01
  we're
• 18:02
  in
• 18:02
  the
• 18:02
  allegory
• 18:03
  of
• 18:03
  the
• 18:03
  cave.
• 18:04
  Oh,
• 18:04
  right.
• 18:04
  And
• 18:04
  we're.
• 18:05
  So.
• 18:05
  We're
• 18:05
  seeing
• 18:06
  our
• 18:06
  emotion
• 18:06
  and
• 18:07
  we're.
• 18:07
  We're.
• 18:07
  We're
• 18:08
  being
• 18:09
  so
• 18:09
  pulled
• 18:09
  and
• 18:10
  torn
• 18:10
  and
• 18:10
  captivated
• 18:11
  by
• 18:11
  it
• 18:11
  sometimes.
• 18:12
  For
• 18:12
  many
• 18:12
  of
• 18:12
  us,
• 18:12
  it's
• 18:12
  all
• 18:13
  we
• 18:13
  know.
• 18:13
  Like
• 18:13
  the
• 18:13
  shadows
• 18:14
  on
• 18:14
  the
• 18:14
  wall
• 18:14
  of
• 18:14
  the
• 18:14
  cave.
• 18:14
  It's
• 18:15
  all
• 18:15
  we
• 18:15
  know.
• 18:15
  We're
• 18:16
  constantly
• 18:16
  feeling
• 18:16
  an
• 18:17
  emotion
• 18:17
  for
• 18:18
  other.
• 18:18
  For
• 18:18
  others
• 18:19
  of
• 18:19
  us.
• 18:19
  It's
• 18:19
  our
• 18:20
  train
• 18:20
  of
• 18:20
  thought.
• 18:20
  It's
• 18:21
  all
• 18:21
  we
• 18:21
  know.
• 18:21
  It's
• 18:22
  the
• 18:22
  shadows
• 18:22
  on
• 18:22
  the
• 18:22
  wall.
• 18:22
  We
• 18:23
  only
• 18:23
  see
• 18:23
  our
• 18:23
  train
• 18:23
  of
• 18:24
  thought,
• 18:24
  so.
• 18:25
  And
• 18:25
  others.
• 18:26
  But
• 18:26
  the
• 18:26
  point
• 18:26
  is
• 18:28
  that
• 18:28
  can
• 18:28
  be
• 18:29
  completely
• 18:30
  enslaving.
• 18:30
  We
• 18:31
  can
• 18:31
  be
• 18:31
  enslaved
• 18:31
  by
• 18:32
  it.
• 18:32
  If
• 18:32
  we,
• 18:33
  in
• 18:34
  our
• 18:34
  class,
• 18:35
  we
• 18:35
  often
• 18:35
  talk
• 18:36
  about
• 18:36
  critical
• 18:36
  thinking,
• 18:37
  can
• 18:37
  allow
• 18:37
  you
• 18:37
  just
• 18:38
  to
• 18:38
  think
• 18:38
  logically
• 18:39
  about
• 18:39
  your
• 18:39
  em
• 18:40
  and
• 18:41
  allow
• 18:41
  you
• 18:41
  to.
• 18:41
  To
• 18:42
  get
• 18:42
  out
• 18:42
  of
• 18:42
  the
• 18:42
  cave
• 18:42
  and
• 18:43
  see
• 18:43
  your
• 18:43
  emotion
• 18:44
  from
• 18:44
  a
• 18:44
  higher
• 18:44
  perspective.
• 18:45
  See
• 18:45
  reality
• 18:46
  that's
• 18:46
  beyond
• 18:46
  emotion.
• 18:47
  Yes,
• 18:47
  Andrew.
• 18:48
  So
• 18:48
  you
• 18:48
  actually
• 18:48
  put
• 18:49
  me
• 18:49
  on
• 18:49
  track
• 18:49
  with
• 18:49
  the
• 18:49
  cave.
• 18:50
  Okay.
• 18:51
  So,
• 18:51
  yeah,
• 18:52
  so
• 18:52
  I'm
• 18:52
  thinking
• 18:52
  about,
• 18:53
  like,
• 18:53
  science.
• 18:54
  Science
• 18:54
  Is
• 18:54
  like,
• 18:55
  essentially
• 18:55
  the
• 18:56
  best
• 18:56
  tentative
• 18:56
  explanations
• 18:57
  we
• 18:57
  have
• 18:57
  so
• 18:58
  far.
• 18:58
  And
• 18:58
  so,
• 18:58
  like,
• 18:59
  I
• 18:59
  don't
• 18:59
  believe
• 18:59
  there's
• 19:00
  a
• 19:00
  solution
• 19:01
  to
• 19:02
  absolute
• 19:02
  knowledge.
• 19:02
  How
• 19:02
  do
• 19:03
  you
• 19:03
  know
• 19:03
  that?
• 19:03
  You
• 19:03
  know,
• 19:03
  to
• 19:04
  infinity,
• 19:04
  et
• 19:04
  cetera.
• 19:05
  And.
• 19:06
  And
• 19:06
  so
• 19:08
  as
• 19:08
  far
• 19:08
  as,
• 19:08
  like,
• 19:08
  emotions
• 19:09
  go,
• 19:10
  you
• 19:10
  know,
• 19:10
  I
• 19:10
  don't
• 19:11
  know,
• 19:11
  for
• 19:11
  instance,
• 19:12
  that,
• 19:12
  like,
• 19:13
  I
• 19:13
  will
• 19:13
  be
• 19:14
  able
• 19:14
  to
• 19:14
  fully
• 19:15
  ever
• 19:15
  solve.
• 19:15
  I
• 19:16
  don't
• 19:16
  know
• 19:16
  if.
• 19:16
  I
• 19:17
  don't
• 19:17
  know
• 19:17
  if
• 19:17
  it's
• 19:17
  possible
• 19:17
  to
• 19:18
  truly
• 19:18
  leave
• 19:18
  the
• 19:18
  cave
• 19:18
  to,
• 19:19
  like,
• 19:19
  truly,
• 19:19
  like,
• 19:20
  explore,
• 19:22
  to
• 19:23
  know
• 19:23
  that,
• 19:23
  you
• 19:24
  know,
• 19:24
  that
• 19:24
  you've
• 19:24
  explored
• 19:25
  the
• 19:25
  entire
• 19:25
  emotion
• 19:26
  space
• 19:26
  of
• 19:26
  what
• 19:26
  is
• 19:26
  good
• 19:27
  for
• 19:27
  you.
• 19:28
  But
• 19:30
  I
• 19:30
  think
• 19:30
  we
• 19:31
  can
• 19:31
  do
• 19:31
  a
• 19:31
  lot
• 19:32
  to
• 19:32
  make
• 19:32
  sure
• 19:33
  that,
• 19:33
  like,
• 19:33
  we
• 19:33
  have
• 19:34
  the
• 19:34
  biggest
• 19:34
  possible
• 19:34
  cave
• 19:35
  possible.
• 19:36
  Does
• 19:36
  that
• 19:36
  make
• 19:36
  sense?
• 19:38
  As
• 19:38
  long
• 19:39
  as
• 19:39
  we.
• 19:39
  As
• 19:39
  long
• 19:39
  as
• 19:39
  we
• 19:39
  can
• 19:40
  be
• 19:41
  free
• 19:41
  to
• 19:41
  move
• 19:41
  around
• 19:41
  a
• 19:42
  little
• 19:42
  bit
• 19:42
  and
• 19:42
  not
• 19:42
  be
• 19:42
  stuck
• 19:42
  in
• 19:43
  chains
• 19:43
  watching
• 19:43
  shadows
• 19:44
  only.
• 19:45
  You
• 19:45
  know,
• 19:45
  Haley,
• 19:46
  I
• 19:46
  also
• 19:46
  wanted
• 19:47
  to
• 19:47
  say
• 19:47
  how
• 19:47
  much
• 19:47
  I
• 19:48
  appreciated
• 19:48
  about
• 19:48
  what
• 19:49
  you
• 19:49
  said
• 19:49
  about
• 19:50
  this
• 19:50
  idea
• 19:50
  of
• 19:52
  not
• 19:52
  knowing.
• 19:54
  Yeah.
• 19:54
  Feeling
• 19:54
  comfortable
• 19:55
  and
• 19:55
  feeling
• 19:56
  okay
• 19:57
  with
• 19:57
  not
• 19:57
  knowing,
• 19:58
  because
• 19:59
  in
• 19:59
  a
• 19:59
  way,
• 20:00
  that's
• 20:00
  actually
• 20:02
  a
• 20:02
  really.
• 20:02
  A
• 20:03
  gateway
• 20:03
  to
• 20:04
  everything
• 20:05
  outside
• 20:05
  of
• 20:06
  thought.
• 20:06
  Yeah.
• 20:07
  When
• 20:07
  you
• 20:07
  can
• 20:07
  hang
• 20:08
  out
• 20:09
  not
• 20:09
  knowing.
• 20:10
  Yeah.
• 20:10
  And
• 20:10
  I
• 20:10
  think
• 20:11
  if
• 20:11
  you're
• 20:12
  for.
• 20:12
  As
• 20:13
  I'm
• 20:13
  trying
• 20:13
  to
• 20:14
  remind
• 20:15
  myself
• 20:15
  is
• 20:16
  like,
• 20:17
  if
• 20:17
  you're
• 20:17
  open
• 20:17
  to
• 20:18
  the
• 20:18
  not
• 20:18
  knowing,
• 20:18
  you're
• 20:19
  also
• 20:19
  open
• 20:20
  to
• 20:20
  new
• 20:20
  ideas.
• 20:21
  So
• 20:22
  whether.
• 20:23
  And
• 20:23
  also
• 20:24
  relating
• 20:25
  that
• 20:25
  back
• 20:25
  to
• 20:25
  critical
• 20:26
  thinking,
• 20:26
  etc.
• 20:27
  Etc.
• 20:28
  All
• 20:28
  that,
• 20:29
  like,
• 20:30
  if
• 20:30
  you're
• 20:31
  constantly
• 20:31
  fixed
• 20:32
  on
• 20:32
  where
• 20:32
  you
• 20:32
  should
• 20:33
  be
• 20:33
  in
• 20:33
  life
• 20:33
  or
• 20:34
  what
• 20:34
  you
• 20:35
  think
• 20:35
  is
• 20:35
  gonna
• 20:35
  happen,
• 20:36
  or
• 20:37
  maybe
• 20:37
  even,
• 20:37
  like,
• 20:37
  what
• 20:38
  emotions
• 20:38
  you
• 20:38
  feel
• 20:38
  like
• 20:39
  you
• 20:39
  should
• 20:39
  be
• 20:39
  feeling
• 20:40
  or
• 20:40
  should
• 20:40
  be.
• 20:40
  You
• 20:41
  should.
• 20:41
  Yeah,
• 20:42
  these
• 20:42
  should.
• 20:42
  Yeah.
• 20:44
  Then
• 20:45
  you're
• 20:45
  just
• 20:45
  going
• 20:45
  to
• 20:45
  be
• 20:46
  comparing,
• 20:47
  you
• 20:47
  know,
• 20:47
  your
• 20:48
  success
• 20:49
  in
• 20:49
  life
• 20:49
  or
• 20:50
  however
• 20:50
  you
• 20:50
  want
• 20:51
  to
• 20:51
  quantify
• 20:52
  your
• 20:52
  life,
• 20:52
  kind
• 20:52
  of
• 20:52
  like
• 20:53
  Andrews,
• 20:53
  like
• 20:53
  the
• 20:53
  meaning
• 20:54
  of
• 20:54
  life
• 20:54
  by
• 20:56
  these
• 20:57
  markers
• 20:57
  of
• 20:57
  where
• 20:58
  you
• 20:58
  think
• 20:58
  you
• 20:58
  should
• 20:58
  be
• 20:58
  going.
• 20:59
  But
• 20:59
  if
• 20:59
  you
• 20:59
  kind
• 21:00
  of
• 21:00
  just
• 21:00
  let
• 21:01
  life
• 21:02
  happen
• 21:02
  to
• 21:02
  you
• 21:03
  and
• 21:04
  try
• 21:04
  to
• 21:04
  roll
• 21:05
  with
• 21:05
  it,
• 21:05
  it's
• 21:05
  really
• 21:06
  hard,
• 21:06
  obviously.
• 21:07
  But
• 21:08
  whether
• 21:08
  it's
• 21:08
  just
• 21:08
  making
• 21:09
  a
• 21:09
  note
• 21:09
  of,
• 21:10
  okay,
• 21:10
  that's
• 21:11
  happening,
• 21:11
  and
• 21:11
  that's
• 21:12
  making
• 21:12
  me
• 21:12
  feel
• 21:13
  some
• 21:13
  kind
• 21:13
  of
• 21:13
  way,
• 21:13
  like,
• 21:14
  when
• 21:14
  we
• 21:14
  go
• 21:14
  back
• 21:14
  to
• 21:14
  the
• 21:14
  emotions,
• 21:15
  I
• 21:15
  like
• 21:15
  the
• 21:15
  idea
• 21:16
  of
• 21:16
  the
• 21:16
  emotions
• 21:16
  as
• 21:17
  kind
• 21:18
  of
• 21:18
  giving
• 21:18
  us
• 21:18
  a
• 21:19
  little
• 21:19
  heads
• 21:20
  up
• 21:20
  of
• 21:21
  what
• 21:22
  logical
• 21:22
  path.
• 21:23
  Because
• 21:23
  I
• 21:23
  don't
• 21:23
  see
• 21:23
  them
• 21:24
  as
• 21:24
  separate
• 21:24
  things,
• 21:24
  emotions
• 21:25
  and
• 21:25
  logic.
• 21:25
  I
• 21:25
  think
• 21:26
  it,
• 21:26
  like,
• 21:26
  the
• 21:27
  emotion
• 21:27
  is
• 21:27
  trying
• 21:28
  to
• 21:29
  be
• 21:29
  like,
• 21:29
  hey,
• 21:30
  this
• 21:30
  might
• 21:30
  be
• 21:30
  the
• 21:31
  right
• 21:31
  logical
• 21:31
  path.
• 21:32
  Or
• 21:32
  if
• 21:32
  you
• 21:32
  can
• 21:32
  acknowledge
• 21:33
  that
• 21:33
  your.
• 21:35
  Your
• 21:35
  thinking
• 21:36
  is
• 21:36
  being
• 21:36
  clouded
• 21:37
  by
• 21:37
  emotions.
• 21:38
  So
• 21:38
  you
• 21:39
  can
• 21:39
  note,
• 21:39
  hey,
• 21:40
  I'm
• 21:40
  really
• 21:40
  angry
• 21:40
  right
• 21:41
  now,
• 21:41
  so
• 21:41
  maybe
• 21:41
  whatever
• 21:42
  action
• 21:42
  I'm
• 21:42
  about
• 21:42
  to
• 21:43
  take
• 21:43
  is
• 21:43
  going
• 21:44
  to
• 21:44
  be
• 21:44
  more
• 21:44
  fueled
• 21:45
  by
• 21:45
  Anger.
• 21:45
  And
• 21:46
  you
• 21:46
  can
• 21:46
  kind
• 21:46
  of,
• 21:47
  maybe
• 21:47
  you
• 21:47
  think
• 21:48
  of
• 21:48
  emotion
• 21:48
  as
• 21:48
  like,
• 21:48
  a
• 21:48
  filter,
• 21:49
  and
• 21:49
  you're
• 21:49
  taking
• 21:49
  away
• 21:50
  that
• 21:50
  filter.
• 21:50
  It's
• 21:51
  like,
• 21:51
  okay,
• 21:51
  now,
• 21:52
  if
• 21:52
  I
• 21:52
  wasn't
• 21:52
  angry
• 21:53
  and
• 21:53
  if
• 21:53
  I
• 21:54
  can
• 21:54
  see
• 21:55
  this
• 21:55
  situation
• 21:55
  outside
• 21:56
  of
• 21:56
  myself,
• 21:57
  how
• 21:57
  would
• 21:57
  I
• 21:57
  react?
• 21:58
  So
• 21:58
  I
• 21:58
  don't
• 21:58
  think
• 21:58
  it's
• 21:59
  necessarily
• 21:59
  bad
• 22:00
  to
• 22:00
  take
• 22:01
  the.
• 22:01
  The
• 22:01
  emotion
• 22:02
  into
• 22:02
  consideration
• 22:03
  when
• 22:03
  you're
• 22:04
  living.
• 22:04
  Because
• 22:05
  I
• 22:05
  think,
• 22:05
  like
• 22:05
  we
• 22:06
  pointed
• 22:06
  out,
• 22:06
  like,
• 22:06
  emotion
• 22:07
  is
• 22:07
  life,
• 22:08
  right?
• 22:08
  How
• 22:08
  we
• 22:09
  perceive
• 22:10
  things
• 22:11
  is
• 22:11
  how
• 22:11
  we
• 22:12
  perceive
• 22:12
  life
• 22:13
  and
• 22:14
  is
• 22:14
  a
• 22:14
  big
• 22:14
  part
• 22:14
  of
• 22:14
  that
• 22:14
  perception.
• 22:15
  But
• 22:15
  also,
• 22:16
  if
• 22:16
  you
• 22:17
  lean
• 22:17
  too
• 22:17
  much
• 22:18
  into
• 22:18
  it,
• 22:18
  the
• 22:19
  feelings
• 22:19
  and
• 22:19
  the
• 22:19
  internal
• 22:21
  stuff,
• 22:22
  you
• 22:22
  know,
• 22:22
  you're
• 22:22
  gonna
• 22:23
  lose
• 22:23
  track
• 22:23
  of.
• 22:24
  Of
• 22:24
  reality.
• 22:25
  And
• 22:25
  then
• 22:25
  that
• 22:25
  gets
• 22:26
  into,
• 22:26
  like,
• 22:26
  is
• 22:26
  reality,
• 22:27
  you
• 22:27
  know,
• 22:27
  what's
• 22:28
  actually
• 22:28
  happening,
• 22:29
  what
• 22:29
  you're
• 22:29
  thinking's
• 22:30
  happening,
• 22:30
  or
• 22:30
  some
• 22:31
  combination.
• 22:31
  But
• 22:32
  if
• 22:32
  you
• 22:32
  can
• 22:32
  kind
• 22:32
  of
• 22:32
  just
• 22:33
  be
• 22:33
  aware
• 22:33
  of
• 22:33
  both
• 22:34
  sides,
• 22:34
  hopefully
• 22:35
  you
• 22:35
  can
• 22:35
  kind
• 22:35
  of
• 22:35
  come
• 22:36
  to,
• 22:36
  like,
• 22:36
  a
• 22:36
  consensus
• 22:37
  using
• 22:37
  both
• 22:38
  parts,
• 22:40
  you
• 22:40
  know?
• 22:40
  The
• 22:40
  Harvard
• 22:41
  neurophysiologist
• 22:42
  Joe
• 22:42
  Bolte
• 22:43
  Taylor
• 22:43
  talked
• 22:44
  about
• 22:45
  us
• 22:45
  as
• 22:46
  creatures
• 22:48
  who
• 22:48
  evolved,
• 22:50
  and
• 22:50
  she
• 22:51
  says
• 22:51
  we
• 22:51
  are
• 22:52
  feeling
• 22:52
  creatures
• 22:53
  who
• 22:53
  think.
• 22:55
  And
• 22:55
  I
• 22:56
  wonder
• 22:56
  what
• 22:56
  it.
• 22:56
  What
• 22:56
  our
• 22:57
  world
• 22:57
  would
• 22:57
  be
• 22:57
  like
• 22:58
  if
• 22:59
  Descartes
• 22:59
  would
• 22:59
  have
• 23:00
  said,
• 23:00
  I,
• 23:00
  I
• 23:00
  feel,
• 23:01
  therefore
• 23:01
  I
• 23:01
  think.
• 23:03
  So,
• 23:03
  Colette,
• 23:04
  you've
• 23:04
  been
• 23:04
  very
• 23:04
  quiet.
• 23:05
  Do
• 23:05
  you
• 23:05
  have
• 23:06
  any
• 23:06
  thoughts
• 23:06
  here
• 23:06
  before
• 23:07
  we're
• 23:07
  done?
• 23:07
  In
• 23:07
  about
• 23:08
  just
• 23:08
  a
• 23:08
  few
• 23:08
  minutes,
• 23:09
  Yeah.
• 23:10
  I
• 23:10
  just
• 23:10
  want
• 23:11
  to
• 23:12
  vouch
• 23:12
  for
• 23:12
  what
• 23:12
  Haley
• 23:13
  was
• 23:13
  talking
• 23:13
  about.
• 23:14
  I
• 23:14
  think
• 23:15
  that
• 23:15
  emotions
• 23:16
  and
• 23:16
  logic
• 23:17
  should
• 23:17
  be
• 23:18
  pretty
• 23:18
  unified,
• 23:19
  and
• 23:20
  it
• 23:20
  isn't
• 23:21
  always.
• 23:21
  And
• 23:22
  sometimes
• 23:22
  there
• 23:22
  is
• 23:22
  a
• 23:23
  ruling
• 23:23
  force
• 23:23
  in
• 23:24
  somebody,
• 23:25
  and
• 23:25
  they.
• 23:25
  They
• 23:26
  don't
• 23:26
  allow
• 23:26
  one
• 23:27
  or
• 23:27
  the
• 23:27
  other
• 23:27
  to.
• 23:28
  To
• 23:28
  be
• 23:29
  a
• 23:29
  part
• 23:29
  of
• 23:29
  it.
• 23:29
  And
• 23:30
  I
• 23:30
  think
• 23:30
  that's
• 23:30
  when
• 23:30
  it
• 23:30
  gets
• 23:31
  to
• 23:31
  be
• 23:31
  kind
• 23:31
  of
• 23:32
  dangerous
• 23:32
  for
• 23:32
  the
• 23:32
  person
• 23:33
  themselves.
• 23:34
  If
• 23:34
  they
• 23:34
  don't
• 23:35
  let
• 23:35
  their
• 23:35
  emotions
• 23:36
  affect
• 23:36
  their
• 23:36
  logic,
• 23:37
  or
• 23:38
  if
• 23:38
  they
• 23:38
  don't
• 23:38
  let
• 23:38
  their
• 23:38
  logic
• 23:39
  affect
• 23:39
  their
• 23:39
  emotions,
• 23:40
  then,
• 23:41
  like,
• 23:41
  they're
• 23:42
  not
• 23:42
  going
• 23:42
  to
• 23:42
  ever
• 23:43
  feel
• 23:43
  satisfied
• 23:45
  because
• 23:45
  one
• 23:46
  end
• 23:46
  of
• 23:46
  the
• 23:46
  spectrum
• 23:47
  won't
• 23:47
  be.
• 23:48
  Won't
• 23:48
  be
• 23:48
  fulfilled.
• 23:49
  And,
• 23:49
  Adam,
• 23:50
  any.
• 23:50
  Any
• 23:51
  final
• 23:51
  thoughts
• 23:51
  before
• 23:51
  we're
• 23:52
  done?
• 23:52
  In
• 23:52
  a
• 23:52
  couple
• 23:52
  of
• 23:52
  minutes
• 23:52
  here?
• 23:53
  First,
• 23:54
  the
• 23:54
  middle
• 23:54
  way
• 23:54
  between
• 23:55
  logic
• 23:55
  and
• 23:56
  feeling,
• 23:58
  that
• 23:58
  comes
• 23:58
  to
• 23:58
  mind.
• 23:59
  But
• 23:59
  also,
• 24:00
  I
• 24:00
  just
• 24:00
  want
• 24:00
  to
• 24:00
  say
• 24:01
  my
• 24:01
  biggest
• 24:01
  takeaway
• 24:02
  is
• 24:03
  I
• 24:03
  would
• 24:03
  tell
• 24:03
  this
• 24:04
  to
• 24:04
  the
• 24:04
  students
• 24:04
  often,
• 24:05
  that
• 24:05
  this
• 24:06
  is.
• 24:06
  This
• 24:06
  is
• 24:06
  philosophy.
• 24:07
  This
• 24:07
  is
• 24:07
  real
• 24:07
  philosophy.
• 24:08
  We're
• 24:08
  talking
• 24:08
  about
• 24:08
  things
• 24:09
  that
• 24:09
  matter
• 24:09
  for
• 24:09
  us
• 24:10
  personally.
• 24:11
  Right?
• 24:11
  And
• 24:11
  philosophy
• 24:12
  is
• 24:13
  everywhere,
• 24:14
  actually.
• 24:14
  We
• 24:15
  all
• 24:15
  have
• 24:16
  reason
• 24:16
  and
• 24:16
  logic.
• 24:17
  We
• 24:17
  all
• 24:18
  want
• 24:18
  to
• 24:18
  hang
• 24:18
  out
• 24:19
  with
• 24:19
  reasonable
• 24:19
  people.
• 24:20
  When
• 24:20
  someone's
• 24:20
  being
• 24:21
  unreasonable,
• 24:22
  it's
• 24:22
  actually
• 24:23
  very
• 24:23
  strange.
• 24:24
  We
• 24:24
  mostly
• 24:25
  see
• 24:25
  reasonable
• 24:25
  people.
• 24:26
  We're
• 24:26
  part
• 24:26
  of
• 24:26
  this
• 24:27
  living
• 24:27
  conversation
• 24:27
  right
• 24:27
  now
• 24:28
  together.
• 24:28
  Right?
• 24:28
  But
• 24:29
  the
• 24:29
  living
• 24:29
  conversation
• 24:29
  is
• 24:30
  everywhere.
• 24:30
  Everyone
• 24:30
  wants
• 24:31
  to
• 24:31
  be
• 24:31
  Reasonable
• 24:31
  all
• 24:31
  the
• 24:32
  time.
• 24:32
  If
• 24:33
  someone's
• 24:34
  being
• 24:34
  weird
• 24:34
  or
• 24:35
  cringy,
• 24:35
  your
• 24:35
  BS
• 24:36
  meter
• 24:36
  goes
• 24:36
  through
• 24:36
  the
• 24:37
  roof.
• 24:37
  And
• 24:37
  it's
• 24:37
  actually
• 24:38
  very
• 24:38
  strange.
• 24:39
  What's,
• 24:39
  what's
• 24:40
  normal
• 24:41
  and
• 24:41
  what's
• 24:41
  humane
• 24:42
  is
• 24:42
  that
• 24:43
  we
• 24:43
  are
• 24:43
  reasonable
• 24:44
  and
• 24:44
  we
• 24:44
  try
• 24:44
  to
• 24:45
  get
• 24:45
  along
• 24:45
  and
• 24:45
  we
• 24:45
  try
• 24:45
  to
• 24:46
  be
• 24:46
  loyal
• 24:46
  to
• 24:46
  ourselves
• 24:47
  and
• 24:47
  empathize
• 24:47
  with
• 24:47
  others.
• 24:48
  That's.
• 24:49
  That's
• 24:49
  common,
• 24:50
  that's
• 24:50
  ordinary,
• 24:51
  and
• 24:51
  that's
• 24:51
  everywhere.
• 24:52
  So
• 24:52
  I'm
• 24:52
  just
• 24:52
  really
• 24:53
  thrilled
• 24:53
  that
• 24:53
  you
• 24:53
  guys
• 24:54
  were
• 24:54
  here
• 24:54
  and
• 24:54
  we
• 24:54
  had
• 24:54
  this
• 24:54
  conversation
• 24:55
  just
• 24:55
  to
• 24:55
  be
• 24:55
  another
• 24:56
  example
• 24:56
  of
• 24:56
  how
• 24:57
  philosophy
• 24:57
  is
• 24:58
  everywhere
• 24:58
  and
• 24:58
  we
• 24:58
  all.
• 24:59
  Good
• 24:59
  philosophy
• 25:00
  is
• 25:00
  meant
• 25:00
  to
• 25:00
  be
• 25:00
  in
• 25:01
  our
• 25:01
  lives.
• 25:01
  Good
• 25:01
  philosophy
• 25:02
  is
• 25:02
  meant
• 25:02
  to
• 25:02
  deal
• 25:03
  with
• 25:03
  things
• 25:03
  that
• 25:03
  are
• 25:03
  deeply
• 25:04
  personal,
• 25:04
  like
• 25:04
  emotion
• 25:05
  and
• 25:05
  logic.
• 25:06
  How
• 25:06
  do
• 25:06
  I
• 25:06
  live?
• 25:07
  How
• 25:07
  do
• 25:07
  I
• 25:07
  live?
• 25:07
  Well,
• 25:08
  yeah,
• 25:09
  I
• 25:09
  think
• 25:09
  philosophy
• 25:10
  is
• 25:10
  the
• 25:11
  most
• 25:11
  important
• 25:11
  thing
• 25:12
  that
• 25:12
  anybody
• 25:12
  could
• 25:13
  ever
• 25:13
  engage
• 25:13
  with
• 25:14
  in
• 25:14
  any
• 25:15
  kind
• 25:15
  of
• 25:15
  education.
• 25:16
  And
• 25:17
  so
• 25:18
  maybe
• 25:18
  you've
• 25:18
  heard
• 25:19
  the
• 25:19
  philosophy
• 25:20
  program
• 25:20
  got
• 25:20
  cut
• 25:20
  from
• 25:21
  Sonoma
• 25:21
  State,
• 25:22
  and
• 25:23
  we
• 25:23
  are
• 25:23
  actively
• 25:24
  working
• 25:24
  to
• 25:24
  bring
• 25:24
  it
• 25:25
  back.
• 25:25
  So.
• 25:26
  So
• 25:26
  we
• 25:27
  need
• 25:27
  all
• 25:27
  the
• 25:27
  support.
• 25:28
  Everybody,
• 25:28
  everybody
• 25:29
  reach
• 25:29
  out.
• 25:29
  Tell
• 25:29
  the
• 25:30
  every.
• 25:31
  Every
• 25:31
  person
• 25:31
  in
• 25:31
  charge
• 25:32
  that,
• 25:32
  you
• 25:32
  know,
• 25:32
  email
• 25:33
  everyone,
• 25:33
  tell
• 25:34
  them
• 25:34
  we
• 25:34
  want
• 25:34
  philosophy
• 25:35
  back
• 25:35
  at
• 25:35
  Sonoma
• 25:36
  State.
• 25:36
  Love
• 25:37
  it.
• 25:37
  Love
• 25:37
  it.
• 25:38
  And
• 25:38
  it
• 25:38
  was
• 25:39
  actually
• 25:39
  the
• 25:39
  founding
• 25:41
  department
• 25:41
  of
• 25:42
  the
• 25:43
  academy.
• 25:44
  Yeah,
• 25:44
  yeah.
• 25:45
  The
• 25:45
  acad.
• 25:45
  You
• 25:46
  know,
• 25:46
  university
• 25:46
  model
• 25:47
  goes
• 25:47
  all
• 25:47
  the
• 25:47
  way
• 25:47
  back
• 25:47
  to
• 25:47
  plato.
• 25:49
  And
• 25:49
  the
• 25:49
  PhD
• 25:50
  is
• 25:50
  a
• 25:50
  philosopher
• 25:51
  in
• 25:52
  XYZ.
• 25:53
  Right.
• 25:53
  Whatever
• 25:54
  it
• 25:54
  is.
• 25:54
  So
• 25:55
  you
• 25:55
  arguably
• 25:55
  cannot
• 25:56
  have
• 25:56
  a
• 25:56
  school
• 25:56
  without
• 25:57
  philosophy.
• 25:58
  Oh,
• 25:59
  and
• 25:59
  that's
• 25:59
  their
• 25:59
  philosophy
• 26:00
  now.
• 26:02
  What
• 26:03
  a
• 26:03
  curious
• 26:03
  thing.
• 26:04
  I'm
• 26:04
  so
• 26:04
  grateful
• 26:05
  you
• 26:05
  guys
• 26:05
  were
• 26:05
  able
• 26:05
  to
• 26:05
  come
• 26:06
  and
• 26:06
  I
• 26:06
  hope.
• 26:06
  I
• 26:06
  hope
• 26:07
  you
• 26:07
  guys
• 26:07
  will
• 26:08
  come
• 26:08
  back
• 26:08
  in
• 26:09
  greater
• 26:10
  numbers
• 26:10
  and
• 26:11
  even
• 26:11
  with
• 26:12
  the
• 26:13
  director
• 26:13
  of
• 26:13
  the
• 26:14
  writing
• 26:14
  department.
• 26:16
  But
• 26:17
  we'll
• 26:17
  make
• 26:17
  a
• 26:17
  time
• 26:18
  and
• 26:18
  a
• 26:18
  place
• 26:18
  for
• 26:18
  that
• 26:19
  to
• 26:19
  happen.
• 26:20
  So
• 26:20
  we're
• 26:21
  about
• 26:21
  out
• 26:21
  of
• 26:21
  time
• 26:22
  here.
• 26:22
  I'm
• 26:22
  Anthony
• 26:23
  Wright
• 26:23
  and
• 26:23
  I'm
• 26:24
  your
• 26:24
  co
• 26:24
  host
• 26:24
  today
• 26:24
  on
• 26:25
  the
• 26:25
  Living
• 26:25
  Conversation
• 26:26
  with.
• 26:26
  And
• 26:27
  I'm
• 26:27
  Adam
• 26:27
  Dietz,
• 26:28
  and
• 26:29
  we
• 26:29
  are
• 26:29
  here
• 26:29
  with
• 26:30
  our
• 26:30
  guests
• 26:31
  Colette
• 26:32
  and
• 26:33
  Haley
• 26:33
  and
• 26:34
  Andrew
• 26:34
  from
• 26:34
  the
• 26:34
  Sonoma
• 26:35
  State
• 26:35
  University
• 26:35
  Philosophy
• 26:36
  Club.
• 26:36
  And
• 26:37
  how
• 26:37
  can
• 26:37
  people
• 26:37
  contact
• 26:38
  you
• 26:38
  guys?
• 26:38
  Colette?
• 26:39
  Yeah,
• 26:40
  so
• 26:40
  we
• 26:40
  have
• 26:41
  an
• 26:41
  Instagram
• 26:41
  just.
• 26:42
  SSU
• 26:42
  Philosophy
• 26:43
  Club.
• 26:43
  Please
• 26:44
  reach
• 26:44
  out
• 26:44
  with
• 26:44
  any
• 26:44
  questions
• 26:45
  and
• 26:46
  we
• 26:46
  would
• 26:46
  love
• 26:46
  all
• 26:46
  the
• 26:47
  help
• 26:47
  we
• 26:47
  can
• 26:47
  get
• 26:47
  to
• 26:47
  save
• 26:48
  philosophy
• 26:48
  at
• 26:48
  Sonoma
• 26:49
  State
• 26:49
  University.
• 26:50
  Absolutely.
• 26:51
  And
• 26:52
  Adam?
• 26:53
  Well,
• 26:54
  I
• 26:54
  just
• 26:54
  want
• 26:54
  to
• 26:54
  pitch
• 26:54
  to
• 26:54
  all
• 26:55
  the
• 26:55
  listeners
• 26:55
  and
• 26:55
  viewers
• 26:55
  out
• 26:56
  there
• 26:56
  that
• 26:56
  please
• 26:57
  reach
• 26:57
  out
• 26:57
  to
• 26:57
  us
• 26:57
  because
• 26:58
  you
• 26:58
  see
• 26:59
  that
• 26:59
  the
• 26:59
  conversation
• 27:00
  is
• 27:00
  vibrant
• 27:01
  and
• 27:01
  we
• 27:02
  want
• 27:02
  to
• 27:02
  continue
• 27:02
  to
• 27:03
  expand
• 27:03
  it
• 27:03
  just
• 27:04
  because
• 27:04
  it's
• 27:04
  so
• 27:04
  great
• 27:04
  to
• 27:05
  hear
• 27:05
  different
• 27:05
  perspectives,
• 27:06
  just
• 27:06
  as
• 27:06
  another
• 27:06
  great
• 27:07
  example
• 27:07
  of
• 27:07
  it
• 27:07
  today.
• 27:08
  So
• 27:09
  you
• 27:09
  please
• 27:09
  reach
• 27:09
  out
• 27:09
  at
• 27:10
  deeds,
• 27:10
  Adam
• 27:10
  Gmail,
• 27:11
  D
• 27:11
  I
• 27:11
  E
• 27:11
  T
• 27:12
  adammail
• 27:13
  or
• 27:14
  you
• 27:14
  can
• 27:14
  also
• 27:14
  find
• 27:15
  all
• 27:15
  my
• 27:15
  links
• 27:15
  on
• 27:16
  the
• 27:16
  way
• 27:16
  betweenubstack.com
• 27:18
  to
• 27:18
  reach
• 27:18
  out
• 27:18
  and
• 27:18
  whatever
• 27:18
  your
• 27:19
  favorite
• 27:19
  platform
• 27:19
  is,
• 27:20
  you
• 27:20
  can
• 27:20
  find
• 27:20
  the
• 27:20
  living
• 27:21
  conversation
• 27:21
  on
• 27:21
  YouTube,
• 27:22
  Spotify.
• 27:23
  So
• 27:24
  just
• 27:24
  feel
• 27:24
  free
• 27:24
  to
• 27:24
  reach
• 27:25
  out
• 27:25
  any
• 27:25
  way
• 27:25
  that
• 27:25
  feels
• 27:25
  comfortable
• 27:26
  to
• 27:26
  you.
• 27:26
  Thank
• 27:26
  you.
• 27:27
  Great.
• 27:27
  And
• 27:27
  I'm
• 27:27
  Anthony
• 27:28
  Wright.
• 27:28
  And
• 27:29
  my
• 27:29
  email,
• 27:30
  my
• 27:30
  website
• 27:31
  is
• 27:31
  theonaut
• 27:32
  T-H-E-O-N
• 27:33
  a
• 27:33
  u
• 27:33
  t
• 27:33
  dot
• 27:33
  com.
• 27:34
  I'm
• 27:34
  not
• 27:35
  an
• 27:35
  astronaut,
• 27:35
  I'm
• 27:35
  a
• 27:35
  theonaut.
• 27:36
  So
• 27:38
  that's
• 27:39
  all
• 27:39
  for
• 27:39
  today.
• 27:39
  Thanks
• 27:40
  so
• 27:40
  much
• 27:41
  for
• 27:41
  listening,
• 27:41
  you
• 27:41
  guys,
• 27:42
  and
• 27:42
  watching,
• 27:42
  and
• 27:42
  then
• 27:43
  we'll
• 27:43
  see
• 27:43
  you
• 27:43
  next
• 27:43
  time.