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Attorney Benjamin Crump, Lynn Whitfield, Coach Gessie Thompson & Anthony O’Neal · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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Speaker 1: we come. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Yes, I am Rashaan McDonald,
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Speaker 1: about to deliver for your ears and eyes to see
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Speaker 1: and comprehend and take in today people of color. Today,
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Speaker 1: people of color are winning. We're winning in entertainment, we're
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Speaker 1: winning in sports, we're winning in the financial world, and
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Speaker 1: then we're often winning in politics. But where people of
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Speaker 1: color are not winning is in the system. That is
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Speaker 1: the subject of my next guest in this new book,
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Speaker 1: Open Season. My next guest and I have created and
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Speaker 1: co produced television shows together. He has a friend little brother,
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Speaker 1: fraternity brother, and the founder and principal owner of ben
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Speaker 1: Crump Law. He has been recognized in National Trial Lawyers,
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Speaker 1: Top one hundred Lawyers and Ebony magazine Power one hundred
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Speaker 1: Most Influential African Americans. He has represented families in several
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Speaker 1: high profiles civil right cases, including Trayvon Martin and most recently,
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Speaker 1: the black man who was shot and killed when the
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Speaker 1: Dallas police officer walked into the wrong apartment and thinking
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Speaker 1: it was hers, and she shot him while he was
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Speaker 1: sitting on the sofa eating ice cream. My guest is
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Speaker 1: on the show to talk about this new book, open season,
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Speaker 1: legalized Genocide of Colored People. Please welcome the money making
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Speaker 1: conversations again. Attorney Ben Crump, Good morning, Rashaan, Good morning,
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Speaker 1: my friend. Good morning. I know he just landed in
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Speaker 1: New York. Is a big media run. Congratulations on this book, man.
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Speaker 1: I know how long you and I have been talking
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Speaker 1: about this book, two years, um Rashard in this thing
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Speaker 1: like just been so long. When I have to tell
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Speaker 1: you publicly what I told you privately. You know your
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Speaker 1: goddess and direction was aspect of this book. And just
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Speaker 1: like when we did the UH on some TV show
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Speaker 1: Evidence of Innocence. I mean the cover selection that variety
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Speaker 1: of magazine is calling iconic from the title of the
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Speaker 1: book and content. You know, every time I would UH
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Speaker 1: beinging air to advise and counsel that you always gave
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Speaker 1: me good prolistic advice and for that they're the fact
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Speaker 1: that the book is the number one UH sole book
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Speaker 1: on Amazon for pre orders is UH. We're in a
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Speaker 1: testament to a lot of your counsel and advice. And
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Speaker 1: I always thank you for your brother and so this
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Speaker 1: is an e and week just no your voices in
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Speaker 1: my ear as I go through all these interviews, thank
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Speaker 1: you well, you know it's great. I thank you for
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Speaker 1: the compliment, and I thank you for being the person
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Speaker 1: that you are. In reading the book, my whole thought
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Speaker 1: was that this is one of many now because I
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Speaker 1: heard your voice, I heard your passion, and I heard
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Speaker 1: your concern as to why this book and many books
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Speaker 1: that you're going to write in the ProView two in
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Speaker 1: the future gonna provide us with knowledge because so much
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Speaker 1: information is being hidden in the justice system, and this book,
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Speaker 1: you know, open season legal legalized genocide of color people.
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Speaker 1: It's kind of like the first stage of getting that
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Speaker 1: information out to us correct certainly and tragically Rashine. It's
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Speaker 1: almost as if the book stays relevant no matter what
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Speaker 1: we do. UH. As we're speaking this morning, you know,
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Speaker 1: America is learning another name of a hashtag victim uh
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Speaker 1: A Tiana Jefferson. The black lay there in a house
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Speaker 1: UH taken care of her eight year nephew. The cops
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Speaker 1: shoots since out of the house and kills her. Very
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Speaker 1: similar to both of them. John case where the white
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Speaker 1: police woman comes into his apartment while he's minding his
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Speaker 1: business doing everything he has the legal right to do.
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Speaker 1: She allegedly thinks is her apartment, shoots and kills him. UH.
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Speaker 1: And and thank god, UH that was a historic case
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Speaker 1: because it was the first time a white police woman
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Speaker 1: has ever been convicted of murder for killing a black
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Speaker 1: UH person in the United States. But with all of
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Speaker 1: that there, it still remains that the law, the law
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Speaker 1: is suffer shine. And that's what we talk about a
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Speaker 1: lot in this book. How whether it's on the streets
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Speaker 1: or in the courtroom, their law that is supposed to
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Speaker 1: protect us, they're using it to kill us. And this
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Speaker 1: is a continuation. UH. What was done seventy years of
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Speaker 1: go when the great Paul Robeson and W. B. Duoi
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Speaker 1: and other black leaders went to the United Nations and saying,
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Speaker 1: which yours genocide? By how you're killing black people in
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Speaker 1: America and it is then proliferated by the law, right right.
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Speaker 1: You know the interesting thing about let's stay on the
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Speaker 1: Dallas case with the Dallas police officer, because you and
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Speaker 1: I were texting doing that trial and were texting afterwards,
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Speaker 1: and I saw you sing and after the trial and
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Speaker 1: the hug that was seen around the world doing that
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Speaker 1: Dallars trial when he when his brother left to stand
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Speaker 1: and hugged her. Um, your your thoughts on that, and
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Speaker 1: then because my and I'm share my thoughts on that
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Speaker 1: about that hug. Okay, Well, it is important to know
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Speaker 1: rashon the backstory of this Brent, who was both from
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Speaker 1: his younger brother. H was only sixteen years old when
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Speaker 1: his brother was killed. I mean, this is the person
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Speaker 1: who he slept in the bed with as a toppler
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Speaker 1: of the person who was his hero. Um. And so
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Speaker 1: when she killed his brother, I mean, he went through
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Speaker 1: all counter issues. He was angry, he hated her. I mean,
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Speaker 1: he just he wanted to harm her when it happened
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Speaker 1: because she took his hero uh. He dropped out of
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Speaker 1: high school, he pressed the holes in the wall. His
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Speaker 1: mother and father had to give him some serious counselor because,
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Speaker 1: as they said, they are Christians, Brandon, this isn't our
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Speaker 1: way to give way to hating. You can't take this
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Speaker 1: hate with you throughout your whole lights. So when you
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Speaker 1: saw him in that courtroom on that uh day of
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Speaker 1: the thick the impact statement, it was over a year
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Speaker 1: of him going through a whole range of emotions where
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Speaker 1: he finally got to that point and uh, you know,
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Speaker 1: he didn't know that the cameras were funny. He thought
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Speaker 1: that was just between him and her. And so that's
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Speaker 1: the back story of it. So people before they start
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Speaker 1: to form opinions of about uh you know, he shouldn't
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Speaker 1: forgive to kill up his uh brother, where they need
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Speaker 1: to understand what kind of family says this is a
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Speaker 1: godly crystal family and that this young man has since
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Speaker 1: through it all and don't judge him for how he's
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Speaker 1: grieving it. You know, it's really interesting because of the
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Speaker 1: fact that you know, African Americans are people of color,
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Speaker 1: even though we share the same religious belief are often
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Speaker 1: seen as heathens. Seen this volunteer. I thought that was
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Speaker 1: a monumental moment for for all people to show that
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Speaker 1: there's even at this level, there's forgiveness. And whether he
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Speaker 1: knew the cameras were running or not, that the moment
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Speaker 1: that we can't forgive. The only thing I was kind
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Speaker 1: of taken aback, which when the judge hugged her, I
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Speaker 1: didn't understand that. You know, that's nobody under said that
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Speaker 1: why the sailor was happen here? Yeah, and nobody has
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Speaker 1: seen them get that kind of consideration or affection to
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Speaker 1: a convicted murderer who is black. In fact, it's the opposite.
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Speaker 1: They won't even let the family right. You know, when
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Speaker 1: I still say there was an amazing case from a
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Speaker 1: standpoint of gaining some type of victory, because so many
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Speaker 1: people we were were captivated by her personality, by her
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Speaker 1: being young, by her being you know, you know, she's
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Speaker 1: just a young she just made a mistake. You know,
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Speaker 1: a lot of people are trying to trivialize the severity
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Speaker 1: of what she had done, you know, and the fact
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Speaker 1: that you guys came back with a guilty victory, guilty
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Speaker 1: victory verdict is really uh awesome in the sense that
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Speaker 1: justice was served properly. When I say the word awesome, yeah,
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Speaker 1: because first how most people had predicted she was going
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Speaker 1: to get off. I mean all the talking heads on
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Speaker 1: the the Legal Correspondent shows, they just said, nah, she's
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Speaker 1: gonna get a way with it, because obviously she didn't
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Speaker 1: mean to do it. And the only thing I would
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Speaker 1: say it was an argument in open season. It's about
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Speaker 1: equal justice under the law over the years. I know
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Speaker 1: as an individual, you were thrust out into the public's
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Speaker 1: eye with Trayvon Martin's case, and you've done your homework
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Speaker 1: to be able to understand your role and how do
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Speaker 1: you have to present yourself. That was part of your
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Speaker 1: growth too, as well as leading up to this book. Correct, absolutely,
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Speaker 1: and you have a lot with that returned. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it was a journey and I'm a country boy from
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Speaker 1: North Carolina. And then when you're put on the stage
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Speaker 1: and alculably the most recognizable civil rights lawyer in America,
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Speaker 1: then you have to definitely grow into that role and
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Speaker 1: you have to work on it every day and try
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Speaker 1: to improve on it every day. Just like you often
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Speaker 1: talk about on money making conversations is a continuous growth.
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Speaker 1: You're always learning, and so whether it's in the courtroom
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Speaker 1: or whether I'm advocating on TV, I'm always trying to
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Speaker 1: learn how to make sure with being effective as a
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Speaker 1: trial lawyer. That's what we do in courtrooms every day.
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Speaker 1: You you work to communicate with people. You don't want
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Speaker 1: to talk over them, you don't want to talk below them,
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Speaker 1: you want to talk to them. And in doing so
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Speaker 1: you try to find out what are the things that
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Speaker 1: have been effected from the past, and then how do
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Speaker 1: I make them better? And that was an exercise that
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Speaker 1: I really tried to do with the book, because as
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Speaker 1: I've reread it and reread it, I tried to listen
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Speaker 1: to say, now, what about this, uh white person that's
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Speaker 1: suburber America. How do I illustrate the point to them
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Speaker 1: that this is an American issue and that uh, they
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Speaker 1: also should be concerned with how the law is killing
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Speaker 1: black people. Um. That was the real important challenge, and
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Speaker 1: I think we tried to do it. I pointed out
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Speaker 1: a big thing in that about to meeting people in America,
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Speaker 1: it is the government. The police represent the government. It's
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Speaker 1: the most visual form that have in action with everyday citizens.
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Speaker 1: And so if the policy is to let police kill
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Speaker 1: black and brown people, then essentially that's the government killing
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Speaker 1: black and brown people. And that is the exact case
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Speaker 1: that was argued to the United Nations. So what I
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Speaker 1: both see as this book gains more attention and awareness
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Speaker 1: is taking a lot of the families back over to
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Speaker 1: Switzerland at the United Nations uh Convention in Geneva and
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Speaker 1: making the case again that we charge generouside based just
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Speaker 1: on the laws and the statistics. Don't take our word
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Speaker 1: it isn't true what you're doing to black and brown people.
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Speaker 1: thank you. You know something I worked on it this morning.
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Speaker 1: I was saying, because because you don't want to give
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Speaker 1: too much, because it's just because I missed the stuff.
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Speaker 1: So I wanted to be general in certain areas just
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Speaker 1: the power of your journey. And Josephine Baker, you know,
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Speaker 1: bit before we really get into the interview about your
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Speaker 1: body of work? Well, I just called myself a storyteller,
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Speaker 1: and I enjoy it so much. I have such a
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Speaker 1: passion for it. And uh, you know, often, you know,
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Speaker 1: people will talk about color blind casting and all of
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Speaker 1: that and anybody can play any role, and that's true,
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Speaker 1: but anybody can't play a black woman. So you know,
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Speaker 1: of course I'm biased, you know, But the thing is
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Speaker 1: is that it brings me such joy and it's such
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Speaker 1: an honor for me to be a mirror to the
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Speaker 1: you know. So with Josephine Baker, it was I mean,
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Speaker 1: to be a black woman in every frame of a
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Speaker 1: was just so exciting, and and to carry a movie
20:45
Speaker 1: with the story of such a trailblazer, such an icon,
20:51
Speaker 1: such a full human being who made her mistakes, made
20:54
Speaker 1: her financial mistakes, which I'm sure if she could talk
20:57
Speaker 1: to you today or Sean, she would have done something
21:00
Speaker 1: completely different. But but so that and you know, on
21:06
Speaker 1: through the you know, the women of Bruce's Place and
21:11
Speaker 1: sin line between love and hate, talking about you know
21:13
Speaker 1: the importance of human beings, hearts and love all and
21:19
Speaker 1: you know what happens when you filter that in the
21:21
Speaker 1: wrong way and it turns your heart dark and hard.
21:25
Speaker 1: You know that was exciting and now today with so
21:29
Speaker 1: many things in between, you know, to bring this, uh,
21:34
Speaker 1: Lady May May to life. You know that we in
21:38
Speaker 1: the black community, we know her. She hasn't had much
21:42
Speaker 1: time on television before this kind of woman, Lady May.
21:47
Speaker 1: Let us talk about this. You know this, uh, this
21:51
Speaker 1: setup that they have over here. You got Bob coming
21:54
Speaker 1: in with his church. Basically he's taken over with more.
21:58
Speaker 1: Can you believe it? Bow Bridge displayed by both and
22:01
Speaker 1: then you couldn't have cast a better man than bow
22:03
Speaker 1: Bridges White and introduced his culture into the African Americas. Basically,
22:10
Speaker 1: what he's doing is he wants to envision the ministry
22:13
Speaker 1: is like McDonald's. He wants by different churches around the country.
22:18
Speaker 1: So you can go on his website and go if
22:20
Speaker 1: you're in Dallas, just go to you know, his church there.
22:23
Speaker 1: If you go to New York, go to his church there.
22:26
Speaker 1: That's how his philosophy. It's called the Saving of Souls
22:29
Speaker 1: as a franchise. Yes, you know, and and and and
22:33
Speaker 1: I think it's an important storyline because it's happening. I mean,
22:38
Speaker 1: it's happening all over the country. It's happening all over
22:41
Speaker 1: the world. You know, people with you know, five six
22:44
Speaker 1: campuses and all of that. And so the thing is is,
22:50
Speaker 1: you know, I'm all for you know, all the numbers.
22:53
Speaker 1: But you know, when we when one loses the purpose
22:59
Speaker 1: of hoping people find their pathway the God, that that's
23:04
Speaker 1: a problem, you know, not lady, Let's go back on
23:07
Speaker 1: you not a little bit now, okay, now, okay, Grace, Now, okay, Grace.
23:12
Speaker 1: Now he was out there doing something before, you know,
23:15
Speaker 1: but we when we say that character was all straight.
23:18
Speaker 1: Now okay, now you know we shut out there and
23:22
Speaker 1: uh had a little fair, you say, one time only.
23:25
Speaker 1: But the boy, the beautiful Grace who is now at
23:29
Speaker 1: the front of the church and it's the only person
23:31
Speaker 1: that can save the church. But she has her own
23:33
Speaker 1: issues with this saw named a Jack. Okay, yes, this
23:37
Speaker 1: show got to deal with her other crazy sister, Charity,
23:40
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And her brother Jacob, who's
23:42
Speaker 1: a loser to But everybody's sitting around the table, and
23:45
Speaker 1: sitting around the table because her husband, her husband, they
23:50
Speaker 1: live in the same house, ain't he mad? No more?
23:53
Speaker 1: I can't tell all the story, but Jacob needs is
23:56
Speaker 1: behind whooped a little bit too. Now let's go over
23:59
Speaker 1: to my face. The character on the show that's your
24:02
Speaker 1: daughter Charity. She is a miss I say that, Lady
24:13
Speaker 1: May Your daughter Charity is a hot mess on green Leaf.
24:19
Speaker 1: Well she is, she is. She's just trying to find
24:24
Speaker 1: her footing. And you know a lot of times the
24:28
Speaker 1: baby in the family is like that. Babies and middle kids,
24:31
Speaker 1: you know, like where do I fit in? Why is everybody?
24:36
Speaker 1: Could you figure you know Grace Jacob had you know,
24:41
Speaker 1: and space when she was still alive, because remember this
24:45
Speaker 1: family is missing one of their family members who committed
24:50
Speaker 1: two side. But you know, it's like by the time
24:55
Speaker 1: charity came along, I would imagine, because you know, actors
24:58
Speaker 1: have to have their back store, the backstory of what
25:02
Speaker 1: it is. The audience never sees, but what you have
25:05
Speaker 1: in your mind and your spirit and your motivations, well
25:09
Speaker 1: for how you played a scene, and I would imagine
25:13
Speaker 1: that charity. By the time charity came along, you know,
25:18
Speaker 1: the church was starting to get a little bit more
25:20
Speaker 1: on and popping, and they were busy, so she didn't
25:24
Speaker 1: get the same kind of nurturing that she got spoiled
25:29
Speaker 1: because they were made and things to help take care
25:33
Speaker 1: of her, But she didn't have the best and most
25:38
Speaker 1: highly um important character traits from her from her parents.
25:45
Speaker 1: That's the other kids got. So that's why she's kind
25:48
Speaker 1: of lost it before charities, he said this the husband
25:52
Speaker 1: who figured out that he was gay, and then the
25:58
Speaker 1: music producer who was kind of a philander himself, and
26:04
Speaker 1: and now she wants to preach. But isn't that something
26:09
Speaker 1: how offsprings of spiritual leaders or offsprings of you know,
26:16
Speaker 1: in many churches, how often you do see the children
26:21
Speaker 1: to step into like it, you know, just a regular
26:25
Speaker 1: corporation absolutely absolutely. That's why I feel deserving to to
26:30
Speaker 1: to to inherit the business. That's why it's so important
26:34
Speaker 1: to listen to this look at this show this season,
26:36
Speaker 1: because I felt that I was just gonna let you
26:38
Speaker 1: know this, you know, this season to meet Lyn. When
26:41
Speaker 1: I look at the characters are fully developed. Now, you know,
26:45
Speaker 1: Grace got issues with a J. Nor now knows that
26:48
Speaker 1: a J is his son and he knew nothing about that,
26:51
Speaker 1: you know, dealing with that, you know. You know, now
26:54
Speaker 1: the bishop trying to get back with you because you're
26:56
Speaker 1: living in the same matchion. Charis are trying to get
26:59
Speaker 1: our house and they can sell some land. Charity now
27:02
Speaker 1: she's she's spying. She's the spy because Phil has assured her.
27:06
Speaker 1: Once she gets once they kicked Grace out, he's gonna
27:09
Speaker 1: be head pastor and he's gonna move up to a
27:12
Speaker 1: p I know. So now Charity has this Jezebel slash
27:16
Speaker 1: Judi spirit all over. I don't know. Oh Lord, these children,
27:21
Speaker 1: I love it. I tell you, Lady may, I want
27:22
Speaker 1: to thank you for coming on my show. You know,
27:24
Speaker 1: I am a fan of you and I'm a fan
27:27
Speaker 1: of green Leaf. So tell everybody to watch this show.
27:30
Speaker 1: Along with me when you when you're on Instagram, because
27:32
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell everybody, tell everybody that this show this
27:36
Speaker 1: season if you're not watched it at all, watching this
27:39
Speaker 1: season because boy it got the soap proper soap proper
27:43
Speaker 1: working on this show this season. Lynn, Thank you for
27:45
Speaker 1: coming on my show, Money Making Conversations. Money Making Conversations
27:50
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28:03
Speaker 1: Your health plays a major role in your success. What
28:05
Speaker 1: you eat can give you the energy and longevity to
28:08
Speaker 1: live a long life. My next guest. Plant based vegan
28:11
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28:15
Speaker 1: Jay Z and Ariana Grande, athletes such as Venus Williams,
28:19
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28:30
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Speaker 1: with the money making Conversations. Coach Jesse Thompson, Good morning. Hello,
28:48
Speaker 1: so exciting to be a part of this conversation. You know,
28:52
Speaker 1: we're not about just creating generational wealth for generational health,
28:55
Speaker 1: so this is an important conversation today. Well that's why
28:58
Speaker 1: I started. Your health plays a major role in your success, Yes, sir, Yes, sir,
29:03
Speaker 1: yes sir. Well you're talking to an all time bad
29:06
Speaker 1: eater here, so uh so we're gonna help you out,
29:09
Speaker 1: help me my wife she's over there, she's trying. She's trying,
29:13
Speaker 1: you know, but and I keep breaking her down because
29:15
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not gonna I'm refusing to do the
29:17
Speaker 1: right thing, but I do the right thing periodically. But
29:20
Speaker 1: great having you on the show. My first question want
29:23
Speaker 1: to Coach Jesse Thompson. How did your journey lead you
29:26
Speaker 1: to being coach Jesse Thompson. Well, first, please feel free
29:30
Speaker 1: to just call me Coach Jesse because the Thompson makes
29:32
Speaker 1: it even longer, so that saves some time. Like I
29:35
Speaker 1: understand you people might google. I want to let everybody
29:38
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking to it first. The rest of
29:40
Speaker 1: thee will be Coach Jess appreciated. Well, you know, it
29:43
Speaker 1: started out with my own help struggle with sean um.
29:46
Speaker 1: It was battling, you know, as one of the of
29:50
Speaker 1: black women who battles five words by age fifty. And
29:55
Speaker 1: you know, this is not just an epidemic that affects
29:57
Speaker 1: Black women, but it affects up to women at large.
30:00
Speaker 1: So this is a female epidemic, okay, but when you
30:03
Speaker 1: look at us as Black women, it affects up to
30:05
Speaker 1: nine of us because it affects as disproportionately. Excuse me,
30:09
Speaker 1: and I bet them. I battled fibroids, uterine fibroids, which
30:13
Speaker 1: are small, small um tumors that form in the uterine
30:18
Speaker 1: lining or inside the uterus um. But you know in
30:21
Speaker 1: many places in the uterus um specifically, they cause things
30:25
Speaker 1: such as um telvic pain um, heavy heavy severe bleeding
30:31
Speaker 1: that is really more hemorrhaging to a meat that causes
30:35
Speaker 1: anemia um as well as you know, severe conditions that
30:39
Speaker 1: even lead to cardiac arrest um. And the critical thing
30:44
Speaker 1: here is that it is an epidemic, and I didn't
30:46
Speaker 1: know it was when I was battling it. So I
30:48
Speaker 1: battled them for fourteen years, and ten of those years
30:52
Speaker 1: actually battled in fertility that was caused by the fibroids
30:56
Speaker 1: I saw myself. I ended up UM, I ended up
30:59
Speaker 1: at actually experiencing twelve surgeries, five of them major surgeries.
31:04
Speaker 1: Five of them were four or five boys, and five
31:07
Speaker 1: of them were for complications from those five boys. And
31:12
Speaker 1: because of the infertility that the five birds were causing,
31:14
Speaker 1: my husband and I struggled, as I said, to conceive. UM,
31:18
Speaker 1: we had a devastating miscarriage. And October is actually Pregnancy
31:25
Speaker 1: and Instant Loss Awareness month. UM, So I really I'm
31:29
Speaker 1: sharing love for those women who the day actually is
31:31
Speaker 1: October fifteenth is the day and the month is October.
31:34
Speaker 1: But I know what it's like to lose a child, um,
31:37
Speaker 1: And many people don't even realize how that mentally breaks
31:40
Speaker 1: you down in this whole process. It's just a whole
31:43
Speaker 1: other animal, you understands. So we underwent five IVF cycles
31:47
Speaker 1: to try to conceive. And that's a real financial blow rashan,
31:51
Speaker 1: because you know, advanced reproductive technologies such as in vitro
31:54
Speaker 1: fertilization are not typically especially when I was doing it, um,
31:59
Speaker 1: you know, more than years ago, it was not covered
32:02
Speaker 1: by insurance, and we had to come out of pockets
32:04
Speaker 1: sometimes ten fifteen m twenty dollars at a time in
32:08
Speaker 1: the stam So you can see how financial stress um
32:12
Speaker 1: only really it multiplied the overall effect of what we
32:18
Speaker 1: were going through health wise. Um. And you know, finally
32:22
Speaker 1: we conceived as the result of our fifth IF cycle.
32:26
Speaker 1: And even then after we thought, you know, oh we're
32:29
Speaker 1: in the we're in we're in the clear now um
32:32
Speaker 1: At at twenty one weeks, you know, my doctor actually
32:35
Speaker 1: sat across the table from me and at at a
32:38
Speaker 1: regular consult um and said to me that we needed
32:42
Speaker 1: to consider terminating our pregnancy. That took us ten years
32:47
Speaker 1: to achieve at that time. So Rashan, you can imagine,
32:50
Speaker 1: I remember that moment. I can always put myself back
32:53
Speaker 1: in that moment, and I remember something bizing up within
32:56
Speaker 1: me as a woman of faith and saying no, no, no,
32:59
Speaker 1: we are eavers, We are people of faith, and we
33:01
Speaker 1: didn't struggle in battle for ten years to not give
33:04
Speaker 1: this baby a chance. We believe in miracles. Um. You know,
33:09
Speaker 1: six weeks later, I was admitted to the hospital because
33:11
Speaker 1: the condition worse. And then it was because Rashaun, the
33:14
Speaker 1: fire woods had grown and they were now competing with
33:17
Speaker 1: the baby for the life by life store which is
33:20
Speaker 1: a blood so literally it was sipening off the blood
33:23
Speaker 1: supply that was supposed to be going to the child.
33:26
Speaker 1: So the condition was something called fetal growth restrictions. The
33:29
Speaker 1: baby was not growing enough. Right, So here we are,
33:34
Speaker 1: they're telling me everything. This baby is not supposed to
33:36
Speaker 1: be here. This baby is not supposed to live. But
33:39
Speaker 1: you know, as I said, we have prayer worries all
33:44
Speaker 1: as our faith. Yes, and even though even at the
33:47
Speaker 1: last minute on the delivery table, you know, my heart
33:51
Speaker 1: stopped on the delivery table, but we both made it
33:54
Speaker 1: through and I was happy to say that we gave
33:58
Speaker 1: birth to my new for amazing miracle baby via Madison,
34:03
Speaker 1: which means purposeful warrior because she's literally that she epitomizes
34:09
Speaker 1: that on September eighth, two thousand eleven, at two and
34:12
Speaker 1: a half pounds. Well, I know where the baby or
34:17
Speaker 1: new child, uh we did for me. Give your future
34:21
Speaker 1: gives you a sense of clearly understanding your purpose and
34:25
Speaker 1: the positivity and watching that this is a blank slate
34:28
Speaker 1: that you brought into the world. Anything that you that
34:31
Speaker 1: what you're giving this child is what's going to determine
34:34
Speaker 1: their future. All the emotions, all the structure. So our congratulations, congratulations,
34:39
Speaker 1: thank you. And you know what, Sean, what was the
34:41
Speaker 1: crazy thing is that when I birthed her, she birthed
34:44
Speaker 1: me into my work and purpose. Because when UM the
34:50
Speaker 1: first year of our life, Essence magazine did a profile
34:52
Speaker 1: on our story called My Fertility Journey, and it went viral.
34:56
Speaker 1: For Sean, it was women all over the world pouring
35:00
Speaker 1: in comments and sharing it and telling me, thank you
35:03
Speaker 1: so much for sharing your story. Your story has given
35:05
Speaker 1: me hope. You don't know I've had this many surgeries.
35:08
Speaker 1: I've been trying to concede for this long. Oh my god,
35:10
Speaker 1: right now. You don't understand. I was ready to give up.
35:13
Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing, and they had been suffering in
35:15
Speaker 1: silence because remember, I thought it was just my own
35:18
Speaker 1: personal health. I didn't know an epidemic and epidemic. I
35:21
Speaker 1: didn't know that millions of women were battling this because
35:24
Speaker 1: we were talking about it right so here it was
35:28
Speaker 1: this now gave me awareness of how and how ethic
35:32
Speaker 1: this was. And I was like, wait a minute, wait
35:34
Speaker 1: a minute, where are the marches, Where are the you know,
35:38
Speaker 1: the the awareness UM campaigns, and where the campaigns? You
35:43
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, this is affecting women seventy of
35:46
Speaker 1: women at large, what in the world. And I started
35:50
Speaker 1: to do advocacy work for Shan. I started to you know, uh,
35:53
Speaker 1: participate in congressional briefings and and and on panels and
35:57
Speaker 1: alongside g y n s. And what I realized at
36:01
Speaker 1: that time and that it was it was the same
36:05
Speaker 1: story that they were telling, was the same story they
36:08
Speaker 1: had been telling me, that we don't know what causes it,
36:10
Speaker 1: we don't know, it just happens. And I said, that's
36:13
Speaker 1: not that's not it can't be true. You know what
36:15
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Rashwan that just said it to me, And
36:17
Speaker 1: I said a prayer. I remember, I said, sitting up
36:20
Speaker 1: in my room where I said, God, this can't be right.
36:22
Speaker 1: Can you can I be part of the cure? And
36:25
Speaker 1: I remember heusly, like literally at that time, I didn't
36:30
Speaker 1: realize it, but the fire words were still coming back again. Okay,
36:33
Speaker 1: after I had my daughter right and I came to
36:37
Speaker 1: this point where finally traditional medicine failed me. Rashaan, Okay,
36:42
Speaker 1: but the food is becoming engaging to people like me,
36:46
Speaker 1: that you're winding up, that you're becoming a sellable and
36:49
Speaker 1: marketable to the general public now. And it's really interesting
36:53
Speaker 1: because big money now big money, because it's really interesting
36:56
Speaker 1: because the people made this change. You know what I said,
37:00
Speaker 1: we don't want, you know, this product that has all
37:02
Speaker 1: this sugar. We don't want this fried food, and so
37:05
Speaker 1: we want to know what the calories are, what exactly
37:07
Speaker 1: are we eating at these various restaurants put it on
37:09
Speaker 1: the menu so we know. So we as a people
37:13
Speaker 1: decided we want to know. And so the industry to say, oh,
37:17
Speaker 1: we can't keep fooling them now, like you said earlier
37:19
Speaker 1: about that medicine, we can't keep fooling We gotta start
37:22
Speaker 1: telling them. And then they said, okay, now long do
37:24
Speaker 1: we have to start telling them because they're not even
37:26
Speaker 1: buying the product that we are forcing on them, Like
37:28
Speaker 1: we're saying, this is your only option to eat this
37:30
Speaker 1: type of food or this type of candy or this
37:32
Speaker 1: type of cake. We're going to have to adjust our menus,
37:36
Speaker 1: adjust our our products on our store shaps to say
37:40
Speaker 1: we hear you, here you are, and that's why our
37:42
Speaker 1: person like me enjoying the impossible burger, which they have
37:46
Speaker 1: they have the wall Burgs has an impossible burger Burger
37:49
Speaker 1: King when all these places, but I've been at Burger
37:52
Speaker 1: King three times. It's great. I enjoyed. I'm about to
37:55
Speaker 1: go get a double. You know, I'm getting double. I'm
37:58
Speaker 1: getting double. I gotta I gotta throw round now, I
38:00
Speaker 1: gotta give me a whapp whopp a bond with a
38:03
Speaker 1: double burger? Oh my lord, Well, let me let me
38:06
Speaker 1: chime in on that. Right. So you know, everybody's on
38:09
Speaker 1: their journey. And this is the thing. I think people
38:11
Speaker 1: are sick and tired of being stick. Okay, you know,
38:13
Speaker 1: diseases are at epic proportions right now in terms of
38:17
Speaker 1: the levels, whether it's you know, cancer, every major disease
38:20
Speaker 1: you can think of, it's the the what you call
38:23
Speaker 1: the obesity high numbers. And people are saying, wait a minute,
38:27
Speaker 1: what can we do about it? Because traditional medicine really
38:30
Speaker 1: has really been about treatment and not prevention, right, And
38:34
Speaker 1: the money is in the treatment, the money is not
38:36
Speaker 1: in the cure. But we know when you change what
38:38
Speaker 1: you eat, you can actually prevent and reverse these things
38:41
Speaker 1: because you let your body do the work it's supposed
38:43
Speaker 1: to do. But so what we say to people is,
38:45
Speaker 1: you know, everybody is on a journey and what we
38:48
Speaker 1: know about food that actually is your medicine. You want
38:51
Speaker 1: to use foods that are non hybrid, foods, that are
38:53
Speaker 1: not synthetic, foods that are all natural, they're non gmo, right,
38:57
Speaker 1: plant based foods. Those foods actually help your body do
39:00
Speaker 1: the reverse work. This help help kiss your body into
39:03
Speaker 1: the work where it's actually um in breaking down the inflammation. Now,
39:08
Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff that's out there under the
39:10
Speaker 1: vegan label, Rashan, but I'm not gonna lie to it.
39:12
Speaker 1: It's not all good. Okay, slow down, Yeah, yeah, I'm
39:17
Speaker 1: gonna slow you down there. I'm gonna tell you why, okay,
39:19
Speaker 1: because they're it's sort of like the guy. They they're
39:22
Speaker 1: giving you the carrot okay and hoping that you'll stay there.
39:25
Speaker 1: But I'm going to give you a bigger picture because
39:28
Speaker 1: while the impossible burger is making you feel like okay,
39:31
Speaker 1: it's a good first step to eating that. You know,
39:34
Speaker 1: the ribs. Because I was a major conivo rashankay for
39:38
Speaker 1: all of this, somebody I could eat ox tails every day.
39:41
Speaker 1: I got engaged at a Tony Rowan rib plate. That
39:44
Speaker 1: was my life, you understand I'm saying so for me,
39:48
Speaker 1: I needed that I when I finally realized that my
39:50
Speaker 1: health was on the line and what power was in
39:53
Speaker 1: my hand to change it? Rashan, when I realized, wait
39:56
Speaker 1: a minute, the food is not entertainment. The food is
39:59
Speaker 1: my medicine. Okay. When I started to understand that, I
40:02
Speaker 1: went hardcore and I read the benefits of it, and
40:05
Speaker 1: so are all of our clients. Okay, but the key
40:08
Speaker 1: thing is understand that people are trying to get their foods,
40:11
Speaker 1: that things like impossible burger and beyond meat. You have
40:14
Speaker 1: to be careful in terms of being long term on them.
40:18
Speaker 1: You may say, you know what, I'm trying to taste
40:20
Speaker 1: this to see can I even can I even try?
40:23
Speaker 1: Can I do yesterday? So I'm trying to diversify. I
40:28
Speaker 1: know what you're saying, Yes, sir, listen. And it's a journey.
40:31
Speaker 1: It's a journey. One of the some of the best
40:34
Speaker 1: best calls I had. I'll have a brother. Oh I
40:37
Speaker 1: did it, Jessee, I did it. You know, I stopped
40:39
Speaker 1: eating and I'm eating this now. I'm like, see, brother,
40:42
Speaker 1: this is it. And it's the first step for you
40:44
Speaker 1: even thinking differently. You know, then you you you put
40:47
Speaker 1: your dick, your toe in it. The next thing we
40:49
Speaker 1: want you to do is to start saying, okay, wait
40:51
Speaker 1: a minute now, really understanding what those labels means. You know,
40:54
Speaker 1: because because it just has the VEGN label doesn't mean
40:57
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Speaker 1: long as you can find it. If you can't find
43:00
Speaker 1: what is valuable to you, they will not have any
43:03
Speaker 1: value to your success. Now money and education. Education and money.
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Speaker 1: People tell you that if you get a college degree,
43:11
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Speaker 1: So many levels, my next guest has helped hundreds of
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Speaker 1: thousands of students make smart decisions with their money, relationships,
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Speaker 1: country as a Ramsey personality spreading his encouraging message to
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Speaker 1: have teens and young adults start their lives off right.
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Speaker 1: His latest book Depth, Debt Free Degree Not just this month.
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Speaker 1: Please welcome to Money Making Conversations. Anthony O'Neill man. Good morning,
43:44
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for having me on, sir, appreciate the opportunity.
43:47
Speaker 1: Where are we calling you? Where are you calling in
43:49
Speaker 1: from my friend man? Right now? I'm gonna book to her, So,
43:52
Speaker 1: I mean Los Angeles, California today and tomorrow. Then we
43:55
Speaker 1: fly out to Denver, Colorado, then from there to Houston.
43:59
Speaker 1: So I'm just out here traveling the world trying to
44:01
Speaker 1: spread this message and help a lot of parents and
44:03
Speaker 1: young people as much as the pots we can. Well,
44:06
Speaker 1: you know we were I just left Houston, Houston. This
44:08
Speaker 1: is my well. I was born and raised at a
44:09
Speaker 1: home in Houston, so I know that's a great, great
44:12
Speaker 1: place to eat. I'll be in Los Angeles on Friday,
44:15
Speaker 1: so we're kind of like missing ourselves. I would not
44:17
Speaker 1: be in Denver. Denver, Colorado. It's Colorado, my favorite state.
44:22
Speaker 1: I love the weather, they I love the views in Colorado.
44:25
Speaker 1: So you're going a lot of places that I enjoy,
44:27
Speaker 1: which means that you change. I'm looking forward to Denver
44:30
Speaker 1: to see the people, but not for the weather. It's
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Speaker 1: snowing in Code I black brother. I don't know whether
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Speaker 1: I black brother do, but I love that code. I
44:39
Speaker 1: used to photo the if you dress like me, Mr O'Neill,
44:43
Speaker 1: you wouldn't going to Denver because brother, I got some clothes.
44:47
Speaker 1: Let's talk about you in this book, man. I read
44:49
Speaker 1: it and I enjoyed it, and uh. I had a
44:51
Speaker 1: twenty two year old daughter who's in college. She's a junior.
44:54
Speaker 1: I brag about it because she's a National Honest Society student.
44:57
Speaker 1: But of course she has her dad, and her dad
45:00
Speaker 1: is paying for her education, so she's not hitting in
45:02
Speaker 1: these moments where you have to concern yourself about debt free. Now,
45:05
Speaker 1: dad went to college and I had some grants that
45:08
Speaker 1: allowed me to go through college and then I work
45:10
Speaker 1: part time at night, so I left college debt free.
45:13
Speaker 1: I had no issues about credit card problems and things
45:15
Speaker 1: like that. So I clearly understand there is an issue.
45:18
Speaker 1: Their companies on TV right now to tell you if
45:21
Speaker 1: you give it, we can we can get you out
45:22
Speaker 1: of college debt. There people to the politicians trying to
45:25
Speaker 1: create formats where you can walk away from the debt.
45:28
Speaker 1: So this book and this conversation you're having is a
45:31
Speaker 1: national epidemic. I'm gonna use the word epidemic that people
45:34
Speaker 1: are trying to figure out how they can fix it.
45:37
Speaker 1: What is your book telling us what to do? Talking
45:39
Speaker 1: about that? Well, my book is really much pretty much
45:42
Speaker 1: the step by step process to how we can get
45:44
Speaker 1: our young people into college and through college debt free.
45:47
Speaker 1: We got one point six trillion dollars and student loan debt.
45:50
Speaker 1: They average graduate with about thirty five thousand dollars and
45:53
Speaker 1: student loan debt. But then the fifth of our students
45:55
Speaker 1: will graduate with a hundred thousand allars or more. You know,
45:58
Speaker 1: so many people relying on the government for the student
46:00
Speaker 1: loan forgiveness program and all this other type of stuff,
46:03
Speaker 1: but here's my thing, and we need to start taking
46:05
Speaker 1: ownership for ourselves. And I graduated UM High School thirty
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Speaker 1: five thousand. I wasn't dead homes before the night before
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Speaker 1: I was nineteen years old and took out ten thousand
46:15
Speaker 1: all student loans, and nobody really explained to me what
46:17
Speaker 1: exactly will these loans do for my future? And so
46:21
Speaker 1: just after doing a bunch of research and just really
46:23
Speaker 1: diving in with my team and I'm you know, we
46:26
Speaker 1: literally came up with the process of saying, here, here's
46:29
Speaker 1: a step by step process on how you can get
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Speaker 1: your child into college and through college debt free. This
46:35
Speaker 1: is not just an encouragement book. This is from seventh
46:38
Speaker 1: grade through twelfth grade. If you follow this plan, your
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Speaker 1: child will go to school debt free. Right now. The
46:44
Speaker 1: interesting thing before we started off, all right, it was
46:47
Speaker 1: uthing what what is they gonna asker this coomercial because
46:49
Speaker 1: they caret popping up? What is a Dave Ramsey personality
46:52
Speaker 1: because it's mentioned as part of your credits. Let's talk
46:54
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, So Dave Rany, the financial group, mentor
46:58
Speaker 1: of Minds and UH and and the pretty much the
47:00
Speaker 1: leader of my current career. UM You know, everyone knows
47:03
Speaker 1: Dave Ramsey for the number two, number three talk radio
47:06
Speaker 1: show in the world, and so he's bringing in personalities
47:09
Speaker 1: who will help spread his message in our own messages.
47:12
Speaker 1: You know, Dave is preparing to for successions. Whenever he
47:15
Speaker 1: plans to retire or whenever God transitions him. He wants
47:19
Speaker 1: to make sure that his company, um and his message
47:21
Speaker 1: can still reach the world. So there's five of us.
47:23
Speaker 1: You have his daughter, that you have Chris Hogan, Ken Coleman,
47:26
Speaker 1: Chrissie right, then you have myself and then we're all
47:29
Speaker 1: in different different spokes. I would say I'm in the
47:32
Speaker 1: team Millennial and African American space is really helping young
47:35
Speaker 1: people avoid debt, get out of debt, and build wealth.
47:38
Speaker 1: Then you have Chris Hogan's who's focused on helping people
47:41
Speaker 1: retire millionaires and in the NAT Spoken and Kim Coleman
47:44
Speaker 1: helping young people get into their dream jobs and careers.
47:47
Speaker 1: So we're all in our different spaces. Uh. Dave Ramsey
47:50
Speaker 1: is the head of personality. You know, we have nearly
47:53
Speaker 1: a thousand team members there in Nashville, Tennessee, and we're
47:56
Speaker 1: just here to help people be good stewards of their money,
47:59
Speaker 1: become debt free, can just build wealth and leave a
48:01
Speaker 1: legacy rather than dying with debt and just living paycheck
48:04
Speaker 1: to paycheck, Which is great because I wanted to get
48:07
Speaker 1: that explained because a lot of people try. He's a mentor,
48:09
Speaker 1: but now he's a business relationship as well, which is
48:11
Speaker 1: really good. Now, how did you come across creating this
48:14
Speaker 1: relationship with someone like a Dave Ramsey? You know? For me,
48:18
Speaker 1: I was pastoring in Jacksonville, Florida, had the opportunity to
48:21
Speaker 1: serve up beneath the Great Bishop Rudolph mckessick Jr. In Jacksonville, Florida,
48:25
Speaker 1: about nearly thirty thousand members, and they're what I was
48:28
Speaker 1: doing was taking my message into high schools and two
48:31
Speaker 1: colleges and traveling around the world speaking for people like
48:34
Speaker 1: Bishop titt Jake's, Bishop Eddie Loan before he passed out
48:37
Speaker 1: the cryftlo dollars, some big names UM, and just really
48:40
Speaker 1: spreading the message of life skills to young people from
48:42
Speaker 1: a spiritual perspective and grew one of the largest youth
48:45
Speaker 1: ministries UM urban youth ministries in the world. And so
48:49
Speaker 1: with building something and such as that and traveling as
48:51
Speaker 1: much as I was traveling, I was getting different opportunities
48:54
Speaker 1: from different people, UM, and Dave Ramsey was one of them.
48:57
Speaker 1: Him and his team was looking for a good millennial
48:59
Speaker 1: guy to somebody spread the message. UM. And then they've
49:02
Speaker 1: seen this young, sharp African American man who made some mistakes,
49:06
Speaker 1: who's a flawed brother, but he still has a passion
49:08
Speaker 1: to help people, but the godfearing message. And they asked
49:11
Speaker 1: me to come in and I joined the team five
49:12
Speaker 1: years ago. Actually. Okay, Now, early on in your book,
49:15
Speaker 1: when you talk about your father and you talk about
49:18
Speaker 1: how you will have benefited you to go to school,
49:22
Speaker 1: the g I playing on the y. So my father
49:26
Speaker 1: served thirty five years in the army, and so I
49:28
Speaker 1: had my father's g I bill. We didn't know anything
49:31
Speaker 1: about college, we didn't know anything about scholarships, but I
49:33
Speaker 1: have my father's g I bill that I also had
49:35
Speaker 1: a partners scholarship from the NFL, the National Forensics League.
49:39
Speaker 1: So when I went up to college, I honestly didn't
49:41
Speaker 1: need a dime for school, but I took out ten
49:43
Speaker 1: thousand dollars just to fund my lifestyle. I know, and
49:46
Speaker 1: I know, I know, it's it's crazy, you know, Like
49:49
Speaker 1: I said, I saw my friends the card and the clothes,
49:52
Speaker 1: the food, you know, the apartment and not realizing that,
49:56
Speaker 1: guess what, somebody's gonna ask for this and you may
49:58
Speaker 1: not have that, you may not have the full time
50:00
Speaker 1: job to be able to pay it back. But god,
50:02
Speaker 1: you're living great. Let's go. Oh man, I had a blast.
50:05
Speaker 1: You know. I was treating all the young ladies out
50:07
Speaker 1: to eat. I was putting rims on the car. You
50:11
Speaker 1: know I had it. But you know you're right. You
50:12
Speaker 1: know I'm looking at you on the cover. Here got
50:15
Speaker 1: your Shanola, watch you on and everything. I'm looking at you, brother,
50:18
Speaker 1: you know, because I gotta know list so I know
50:20
Speaker 1: you got. I know you got styled. I know I
50:22
Speaker 1: know you understand that swag conversations and let me ask
50:26
Speaker 1: you this, like, you know, I just finished a big
50:27
Speaker 1: contract with National Guard and and one of the things
50:31
Speaker 1: was about you know, they'll pay for the college education
50:34
Speaker 1: and served close to home weekend warrior. I didn't see
50:37
Speaker 1: anything like that. It's part of your book or any
50:40
Speaker 1: of the reserves or any of the all National Guardians
50:43
Speaker 1: as an option to be able to go to them,
50:46
Speaker 1: to be able to enlist and be allowed them to
50:49
Speaker 1: pay for the education. Any reason why you didn't choose
50:52
Speaker 1: to put any of them into your book, Well, no,
50:55
Speaker 1: they're they're briefly in the book. I didn't do a
50:56
Speaker 1: full chapter on the Army reserve or about the military.
50:59
Speaker 1: I get sell different options and different opportunities to do it. Um.
51:02
Speaker 1: A lot of people are aware of what the army
51:05
Speaker 1: and the military brings to the table um clearly in
51:08
Speaker 1: the book. What I really wanted to do was just
51:10
Speaker 1: give everyone a clear route option um and all of
51:13
Speaker 1: the options. So I couldn't afford to go through every
51:15
Speaker 1: single thing, but we do mention and we do have
51:17
Speaker 1: a quick page or two in the book about what
51:20
Speaker 1: will the army in the military provide um for that
51:23
Speaker 1: as well. Let's start mis huge component of it though,
51:26
Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely, Let's let's talk about the book and who
51:29
Speaker 1: you're reaching and things like that. Start from the beginning. Okay,
51:33
Speaker 1: we talked about your story and an eighteen homeless You know,
51:36
Speaker 1: you you built a huge ministry, you're reaching millennials, and
51:41
Speaker 1: what is the number one mistake that a person in
51:46
Speaker 1: college about to go to college, graduate from college is
51:50
Speaker 1: doing with their finances. Well, there's two things I would say.
51:54
Speaker 1: The top two things, the top two mistakes that I'm
51:56
Speaker 1: seeing with young people today and even parents is that
51:58
Speaker 1: they're taking out student loans. They do not have a
52:00
Speaker 1: vision and a plan for their life. So I always
52:04
Speaker 1: tell people up front, if you really want to go
52:05
Speaker 1: to college, let's go to college. And if you want
52:07
Speaker 1: to go to college debt free, we gotta take debt
52:09
Speaker 1: off of the table, and we gotta have a vision.
52:12
Speaker 1: We gotta have a plan for what we're going to do.
52:14
Speaker 1: And so, really, if this book is important to me
52:19
Speaker 1: to promote for you, because if you don't start telling
52:22
Speaker 1: people the responsibility of finances at the early age, they
52:25
Speaker 1: become horrible adults. Yeah, they really do. And that's something
52:29
Speaker 1: that you know, set Ramsey Solutions and myself and my
52:32
Speaker 1: team are really just passionate about doing because I didn't
52:35
Speaker 1: have the education. I was just told go to schollege,
52:37
Speaker 1: get get a seven hundred credit score, um, and you'll
52:41
Speaker 1: be successful and get a good job. When all of
52:43
Speaker 1: my mentors from Dave Ramsey, Mark Cuban, it's like, man,
52:46
Speaker 1: forgetting credit score, Let's get get money in your bank account.
52:49
Speaker 1: You know, let's be just be debt free. Let's just
52:51
Speaker 1: go after our dreams has build wealth, and we're on
52:53
Speaker 1: a mission not just with this book, just even with
52:56
Speaker 1: you know, we have one out of three our high
52:58
Speaker 1: schools have our high school curriculums where we're trying to
53:01
Speaker 1: bring this information down to the middle schools and high
53:04
Speaker 1: schoolers while they're in school, so that way when they graduate,
53:06
Speaker 1: they know how to budget, they know the difference between
53:08
Speaker 1: a credit card and debit card. They can start purchasing
53:11
Speaker 1: homes at an early age. They can start investing at
53:14
Speaker 1: age eighteen nineteen and building up the row four one
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Speaker 1: K the roth Ira. So what you're saying, you and
53:19
Speaker 1: I are on the same page that we have to
53:22
Speaker 1: make sure that we don't owe anybody, and we gotta
53:24
Speaker 1: make sure where he's getting this information out to our
53:26
Speaker 1: young people earlier on. But it also starts by getting
53:29
Speaker 1: this information to their parents, which is why I wrote
53:31
Speaker 1: this book, because they are the number one influences in
53:34
Speaker 1: their lives. Absolutely, Anthony states, that's Anthony who's speaking on
53:37
Speaker 1: the phone stage. There are three main ways to pay
53:39
Speaker 1: cash for college, saving money, finding money, and work, And
53:44
Speaker 1: that's what this book amounts to and also putting forth
53:47
Speaker 1: effort and realizing that look at look at your future,
53:50
Speaker 1: post graduate, look at your future, not at the moment,
53:53
Speaker 1: but down the line. And I think that was a
53:55
Speaker 1: natural thing for me that I picked up along the way.
53:58
Speaker 1: And so if I can figure out a way to
54:01
Speaker 1: not spend money on the bigger picture, spend money on
54:04
Speaker 1: the smaller picture, which will get me to the bigger picture.
54:07
Speaker 1: I understood that with victory at hand. And now I'm not.
54:11
Speaker 1: I grew up in the era where I wasn't not
54:12
Speaker 1: driven by social media. I was not driven you. No, hey,
54:15
Speaker 1: I was when I was born in rotor Ridale telephones. Okay,
54:18
Speaker 1: so that's when. That's the era that I've lived through.
54:20
Speaker 1: And I've been fortunate to live through all these different
54:22
Speaker 1: breaks of technology to know that the system that I
54:26
Speaker 1: lived under works today. And that's what you have in
54:29
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54:32
Speaker 1: I'm recommending um. And if you come through Atlanta Police,
54:36
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54:37
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54:39
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54:43
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54:46
Speaker 1: and you keep winning me. I appreciate you, man, I
54:49
Speaker 1: really appreciate the opportunity to share this message and I
54:52
Speaker 1: love what you're doing too. Man. Thanks for all what
54:53
Speaker 1: you're doing for our people, in our culture and this
54:56
Speaker 1: entire world. Well, Money Making Conversations about you. You know,
54:59
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55:01
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55:05
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55:08
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55:12
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55:15
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55:18
Speaker 1: you toured this country as I've toured it many many years,
55:22
Speaker 1: and I will continue tour in the future. Different shades
55:25
Speaker 1: will allow people to think of you differently. Mr O'Neil,
55:28
Speaker 1: thank you for coming on my show. I will promote
55:30
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