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The Future of Schools: Listening to the Voices of Our Students · The Wheelhouse

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  We
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  spend
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  a
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  lot
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  of
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  time
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  in
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  education
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  talking
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  about
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  what
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  students
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  need.
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  But
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  how
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  often
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  do
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  we
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  stop
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  long
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  enough
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  to
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  ask
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  students
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  what
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  school
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  actually
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  felt
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  like?
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  What
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  stayed
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  with
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  them?
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  What
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  pushed
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  them
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  forward?
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  What
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  shut
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  them
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  down?
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  What
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  did
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  they
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  need
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  that
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  adults
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  never
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  quite
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  saw?
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  In
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  this
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  episode
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  of
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  the
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  Wheelhouse,
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  we
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  hear
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  directly
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  from
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  three
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  college
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  age
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  students
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  reflecting
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  on
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  their
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  journey
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  through
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  K12
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  and
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  into
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  higher
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  education.
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  What
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  shaped
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  them,
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  what
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  prepared
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  them,
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  what
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  did
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  it,
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  and
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  what
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  they
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  want
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  educators
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  to
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  understand
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  now.
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  Because
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  if
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  we
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  want
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  schools
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  to
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  be
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  future
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  ready,
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  they
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  have
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  to
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  be
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  human
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  first.
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  A
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  new
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  episode
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  of
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  the
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  Wheelhouse
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  begins
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  right
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  now.
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  Welcome
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  to
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  the
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  Wheelhouse,
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  where
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  education
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  leaders,
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  teachers,
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  and
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  change
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  makers
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  come
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  together
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  to
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  explore
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  what
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  it
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  really
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  takes
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  to
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  build
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  schools
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  that
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  are
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  future
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  ready,
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  human
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  centered,
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  and
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  worthy
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  of
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  the
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  students
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  they
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  serve.
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  I'm
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  Dr.
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  Grant
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  Chandler,
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  and
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  this
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  season
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  we've
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  been
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  exploring
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  a
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  core
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  belief
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  that
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  innovation
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  in
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  schools
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  must
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  be
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  rooted
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  in
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  humanity
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  and
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  build
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  through
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  coherent
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  human
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  systems.
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  The
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  idea
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  sounds
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  good.
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  Why,
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  it's
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  even
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  easy
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  to
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  say.
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  But
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  today's
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  episode
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  asks
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  a
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  much
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  harder
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  question.
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  Do
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  students
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  actually
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  experience
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  our
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  schools
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  that
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  way?
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  Because
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  schools
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  are
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  full
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  of
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  plans,
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  frameworks,
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  initiatives,
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  and
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  improvement
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  strategies.
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  But
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  students
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  don't
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  live
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  school
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  as
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  a
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  strategy.
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  They
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  live
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  it
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  as
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  a
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  daily
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  human
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  experience.
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  They
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  remember
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  whether
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  they
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  were
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  known.
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  They
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  remember
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  whether
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  they
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  were
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  challenged.
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  They
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  remember
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  whether
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  they
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  felt
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  like
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  they
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  belonged.
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  And
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  they
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  remember
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  whether
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  school
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  felt
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  connected
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  to
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  the
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  life
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  they
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  were
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  actually
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  trying
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  to
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  build.
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  So
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  in
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  today's
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  episode,
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  we
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  make
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  what
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  I
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  believe
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  is
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  the
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  next
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  necessary
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  move
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  for
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  this
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  season.
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  We
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  stop
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  talking
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  about
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  students
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  and
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  we
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  listen
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  to
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  them.
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  Today,
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  we're
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  joined
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  by
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  three
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  college
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  age
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  students
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  who
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  are
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  looking
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  back
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  on
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  their
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  experiences
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  in
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  K12
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  education
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  and
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  reflecting
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  on
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  how
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  those
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  experiences
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  shaped
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  their
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  transition
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  into
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  higher
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  education
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  and
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  adulthood.
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  We'll
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  talk
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  about
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  what
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  helped,
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  what
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  hurt,
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  what
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  prepared
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  them,
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  what
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  was
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  missing,
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  and
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  what
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  they
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  want
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  teachers
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  and
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  school
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  leaders
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  to
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  hear
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  now.
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  Because
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  before
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  we
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  redesign
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  schools
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  for
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  the
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  future,
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  we
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  need
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  the
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  courage
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  to
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  hear
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  what
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  students
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  have
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  already
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  been
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  telling
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  us.
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  Let's
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  get
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  into
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  it.
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  Good
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  morning,
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  I'm
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  Dr.
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  Grant
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  Chandler
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  and
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  welcome
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  back
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  to
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  another
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  episode
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  of
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  the
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  Wheelhouse,
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  one
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  that
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  we
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  have
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  been
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  looking
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  forward
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  to
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  for
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  quite
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  a
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  while.
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  So
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  I'll
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  tell
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  you
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  a
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  little
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  bit
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  about
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  that
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  in
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  just
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  a
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  moment,
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  but
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  I
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  first
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  want
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  to
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  welcome
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  the
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  entire
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  Wheelhouse
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  team
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  today
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  again,
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  Kathy
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  Mone,
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  Michael
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  Pipa,
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  and
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  Dr.
• 3:29
  Alicia
• 3:29
  Monroe.
• 3:30
  Welcome
• 3:30
  back
• 3:31
  to
• 3:31
  the
• 3:31
  Wheelhouse.
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  Good
• 3:34
  morning.
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  So
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  glad
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  to
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  see
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  all
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  of
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  you.
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  Our
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  favorite
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  day,
• 3:38
  our
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  favorite
• 3:39
  day
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  of
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  the
• 3:39
  week.
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  Woo
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  hoo.
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  It's
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  Tuesday
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  morning.
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  We're
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  in
• 3:43
  daylight
• 3:44
  savings
• 3:45
  time.
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  It's
• 3:46
  above
• 3:46
  20
• 3:47
  degrees
• 3:48
  where
• 3:48
  I
• 3:48
  live,
• 3:49
  life
• 3:49
  is
• 3:50
  beautiful.
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  It
• 3:52
  may
• 3:52
  go
• 3:52
  as
• 3:53
  high
• 3:53
  as
• 3:53
  70
• 3:54
  out
• 3:54
  here
• 3:54
  in
• 3:54
  New
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  York.
• 3:55
  Woo.
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  The
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  same
• 3:57
  here,
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  right?
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  The
• 3:58
  same
• 3:58
  here
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  all
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  the
• 3:59
  time.
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  The
• 3:59
  sun
• 3:59
  was
• 3:59
  shining
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  yesterday.
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  It
• 4:01
  was
• 4:01
  gorgeous.
• 4:03
  I
• 4:03
  hear
• 4:03
  this
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  nice
• 4:04
  weather
• 4:04
  is
• 4:04
  going
• 4:04
  to
• 4:05
  come
• 4:05
  with
• 4:05
  some
• 4:05
  nasty
• 4:06
  weather
• 4:06
  tonight.
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  So
• 4:07
  wherever
• 4:07
  you
• 4:07
  are,
• 4:09
  hope
• 4:09
  you
• 4:09
  will
• 4:09
  stay
• 4:10
  safe.
• 4:10
  We
• 4:10
  had
• 4:11
  a
• 4:11
  tornado
• 4:11
  not
• 4:11
  too
• 4:12
  far
• 4:12
  from
• 4:12
  us
• 4:13
  last
• 4:13
  week,
• 4:13
  so
• 4:14
  I'm
• 4:14
  hoping
• 4:14
  that,
• 4:15
  you
• 4:15
  know,
• 4:16
  severe
• 4:16
  doesn't
• 4:16
  mean
• 4:16
  that
• 4:17
  again.
• 4:17
  Well,
• 4:17
  welcome.
• 4:18
  Welcome
• 4:18
  to
• 4:18
  the
• 4:19
  Wheelhouse.
• 4:20
  For
• 4:20
  those
• 4:20
  of
• 4:20
  you
• 4:20
  who
• 4:20
  are
• 4:20
  listening,
• 4:21
  this
• 4:21
  is
• 4:21
  an
• 4:21
  exciting
• 4:22
  episode.
• 4:22
  We've
• 4:22
  been
• 4:23
  talking
• 4:23
  about
• 4:25
  bringing
• 4:26
  students
• 4:27
  to
• 4:27
  the
• 4:27
  wheelhouse
• 4:28
  and
• 4:28
  asking
• 4:29
  them
• 4:30
  really,
• 4:30
  really
• 4:30
  important
• 4:31
  and
• 4:31
  poignant
• 4:32
  questions
• 4:32
  about
• 4:33
  their
• 4:33
  experiences.
• 4:34
  And
• 4:35
  we're
• 4:35
  going
• 4:35
  to
• 4:35
  do
• 4:35
  that
• 4:35
  in
• 4:36
  a
• 4:36
  series
• 4:36
  of
• 4:37
  episodes.
• 4:38
  So
• 4:38
  this
• 4:38
  is
• 4:38
  just
• 4:39
  one
• 4:40
  a
• 4:41
  great
• 4:41
  and
• 4:41
  very
• 4:42
  important
• 4:42
  first.
• 4:43
  But
• 4:43
  there
• 4:43
  will
• 4:43
  be
• 4:44
  other
• 4:44
  conversations
• 4:45
  with
• 4:45
  other
• 4:45
  students
• 4:46
  from
• 4:47
  different
• 4:47
  parts
• 4:48
  of
• 4:48
  the
• 4:48
  country,
• 4:48
  from
• 4:49
  different
• 4:50
  levels
• 4:51
  of
• 4:51
  education.
• 4:53
  Today,
• 4:54
  however,
• 4:54
  we
• 4:54
  are
• 4:54
  joined
• 4:55
  by
• 4:55
  three
• 4:55
  amazing
• 4:56
  individuals
• 4:57
  who
• 4:58
  I'll
• 4:58
  let
• 4:58
  them
• 4:58
  tell
• 4:59
  you
• 4:59
  a
• 4:59
  little
• 4:59
  bit
• 4:59
  about
• 5:00
  themselves,
• 5:00
  but
• 5:00
  they
• 5:00
  are
• 5:00
  all
• 5:02
  high
• 5:02
  school
• 5:02
  graduates.
• 5:03
  They
• 5:03
  are
• 5:03
  in
• 5:03
  the
• 5:04
  higher
• 5:04
  ed
• 5:04
  pipeline.
• 5:05
  Some
• 5:05
  of
• 5:06
  them
• 5:06
  are
• 5:06
  in
• 5:06
  grad
• 5:07
  school.
• 5:07
  Some
• 5:08
  of
• 5:08
  them
• 5:08
  are
• 5:08
  about
• 5:08
  to
• 5:09
  get
• 5:09
  a
• 5:09
  PhD.
• 5:10
  So
• 5:10
  they
• 5:11
  are
• 5:12
  varying
• 5:13
  experiences
• 5:14
  in
• 5:14
  terms
• 5:14
  of
• 5:15
  where
• 5:15
  they
• 5:15
  are
• 5:16
  in
• 5:16
  the
• 5:16
  educational
• 5:17
  pipeline.
• 5:17
  But
• 5:17
  we
• 5:17
  are
• 5:18
  super
• 5:18
  excited
• 5:19
  to
• 5:20
  be
• 5:20
  able
• 5:20
  to
• 5:20
  ask
• 5:21
  these
• 5:21
  three.
• 5:22
  Well,
• 5:23
  they're
• 5:23
  young
• 5:23
  compared
• 5:23
  to
• 5:24
  me,
• 5:24
  these
• 5:24
  three
• 5:24
  young
• 5:25
  people
• 5:25
  some
• 5:26
  really
• 5:26
  powerful
• 5:26
  questions
• 5:27
  about
• 5:28
  what
• 5:28
  they
• 5:28
  experience
• 5:29
  in
• 5:29
  education.
• 5:30
  And
• 5:30
  I
• 5:30
  know
• 5:30
  that
• 5:30
  Kathy
• 5:31
  and
• 5:31
  Michael
• 5:31
  and
• 5:32
  Alicia
• 5:33
  are
• 5:33
  as
• 5:33
  excited
• 5:34
  as
• 5:34
  I
• 5:34
  am
• 5:34
  to
• 5:35
  welcome
• 5:35
  them
• 5:36
  to
• 5:36
  the
• 5:36
  wheelhouse
• 5:37
  space.
• 5:37
  So
• 5:38
  one
• 5:38
  at
• 5:38
  a
• 5:38
  time,
• 5:39
  let
• 5:39
  me
• 5:39
  welcome
• 5:40
  them.
• 5:40
  And
• 5:41
  ladies
• 5:41
  first.
• 5:42
  Carrie
• 5:42
  Brown,
• 5:43
  welcome
• 5:44
  to
• 5:44
  the
• 5:45
  Wheelhouse.
• 5:46
  Thank
• 5:46
  you
• 5:46
  for
• 5:46
  having
• 5:47
  me.
• 5:48
  My
• 5:48
  name,
• 5:48
  of
• 5:49
  course
• 5:49
  you
• 5:49
  said
• 5:49
  is
• 5:49
  Carrie
• 5:50
  Elizabeth
• 5:50
  Brown.
• 5:51
  I'm
• 5:52
  currently
• 5:52
  finishing
• 5:53
  my
• 5:53
  master's
• 5:54
  program
• 5:55
  in
• 5:55
  counseling
• 5:56
  and
• 5:56
  educational
• 5:57
  settings
• 5:57
  at
• 5:57
  Rowan
• 5:58
  University.
• 5:59
  And
• 6:00
  I
• 6:00
  am
• 6:00
  a
• 6:00
  path
• 6:01
  coach
• 6:02
  at
• 6:02
  the
• 6:03
  center
• 6:03
  for
• 6:03
  Neurodiversity
• 6:04
  on
• 6:05
  Rowan's
• 6:05
  campus.
• 6:08
  I
• 6:09
  work
• 6:09
  with
• 6:10
  students
• 6:10
  who,
• 6:13
  who
• 6:13
  both
• 6:13
  who
• 6:14
  I
• 6:14
  work
• 6:14
  with
• 6:14
  them
• 6:15
  academically
• 6:15
  and
• 6:17
  help
• 6:17
  them
• 6:17
  with
• 6:17
  their
• 6:18
  personal
• 6:18
  challenges.
• 6:19
  I'm
• 6:20
  also
• 6:20
  a
• 6:20
  mom.
• 6:21
  I
• 6:21
  have
• 6:21
  a
• 6:22
  son.
• 6:22
  He's
• 6:23
  one
• 6:23
  of
• 6:23
  my
• 6:23
  biggest
• 6:23
  motivations
• 6:24
  for
• 6:24
  me
• 6:24
  to
• 6:25
  continue
• 6:26
  my
• 6:26
  education.
• 6:28
  And
• 6:28
  it's
• 6:28
  given
• 6:29
  me
• 6:29
  a
• 6:29
  deeper
• 6:29
  passion
• 6:30
  for
• 6:31
  making
• 6:31
  sure
• 6:32
  students
• 6:32
  feel
• 6:32
  seen,
• 6:33
  supported
• 6:34
  and
• 6:34
  capable
• 6:35
  of
• 6:35
  succeeding.
• 6:35
  I'm
• 6:36
  really
• 6:36
  excited
• 6:36
  to
• 6:36
  be
• 6:36
  here
• 6:37
  and
• 6:37
  thank
• 6:37
  you.
• 6:38
  We're
• 6:39
  really,
• 6:39
  really
• 6:39
  excited
• 6:40
  for
• 6:40
  you
• 6:40
  to
• 6:40
  be
• 6:40
  here.
• 6:41
  Carrie.
• 6:42
  Jamar
• 6:43
  Green
• 6:44
  from
• 6:44
  I
• 6:44
  believe
• 6:45
  you
• 6:45
  are
• 6:45
  at
• 6:45
  the
• 6:45
  University
• 6:46
  of
• 6:46
  Kentucky
• 6:47
  now,
• 6:47
  if
• 6:47
  I
• 6:47
  remember
• 6:48
  correctly.
• 6:48
  Tell
• 6:49
  us
• 6:49
  first.
• 6:49
  Welcome
• 6:50
  to
• 6:50
  the
• 6:50
  Wheelhouse
• 6:51
  and
• 6:51
  tell
• 6:51
  us
• 6:51
  a
• 6:51
  little
• 6:51
  bit
• 6:51
  about
• 6:52
  yourself.
• 6:52
  Thank
• 6:53
  you
• 6:53
  for
• 6:53
  having
• 6:53
  me.
• 6:54
  My
• 6:54
  name
• 6:54
  is
• 6:55
  Jamar
• 6:55
  Green
• 6:56
  and
• 6:56
  yes,
• 6:56
  I
• 6:56
  am
• 6:57
  a
• 6:57
  first
• 6:57
  year
• 6:57
  doctoral
• 6:58
  student
• 6:58
  in
• 6:59
  the
• 6:59
  Studies
• 6:59
  in
• 6:59
  Higher
• 7:00
  Education
• 7:00
  PhD
• 7:01
  program
• 7:01
  at
• 7:02
  the
• 7:02
  University
• 7:02
  of
• 7:02
  Kentucky.
• 7:03
  I
• 7:03
  am
• 7:04
  also
• 7:04
  a
• 7:04
  Rowan
• 7:04
  double
• 7:05
  alum,
• 7:05
  where
• 7:06
  I
• 7:06
  received
• 7:06
  my
• 7:06
  bachelor's
• 7:07
  and
• 7:07
  my
• 7:07
  master's.
• 7:08
  And
• 7:08
  I
• 7:09
  am
• 7:09
  also
• 7:09
  the
• 7:09
  recipient
• 7:10
  of
• 7:10
  the
• 7:10
  prestigious
• 7:10
  Lyman
• 7:11
  T.
• 7:11
  Johnson
• 7:12
  Fellowship.
• 7:14
  Well,
• 7:15
  congratulations.
• 7:16
  We
• 7:16
  are
• 7:16
  honored
• 7:16
  to
• 7:16
  have
• 7:17
  you
• 7:17
  here
• 7:17
  as
• 7:17
  well.
• 7:18
  And
• 7:18
  last
• 7:19
  but
• 7:19
  not
• 7:19
  least,
• 7:20
  please
• 7:20
  welcome
• 7:21
  Christian
• 7:21
  Langston
• 7:22
  to
• 7:23
  the
• 7:23
  Wheelhouse.
• 7:24
  Christian,
• 7:24
  Good
• 7:24
  morning,
• 7:24
  sir.
• 7:25
  Good
• 7:25
  morning.
• 7:26
  Thank
• 7:26
  you
• 7:26
  guys
• 7:26
  for
• 7:27
  having
• 7:27
  me.
• 7:27
  It's
• 7:28
  a
• 7:28
  blessing.
• 7:28
  I
• 7:29
  appreciate
• 7:29
  it.
• 7:32
  I'm
• 7:32
  Christian
• 7:32
  Langson,
• 7:33
  and
• 7:33
  I
• 7:34
  am
• 7:34
  pursuing
• 7:34
  my
• 7:34
  bachelor's
• 7:35
  in
• 7:35
  computer
• 7:36
  science
• 7:36
  over
• 7:37
  at
• 7:37
  Rowan
• 7:37
  University.
• 7:41
  I
• 7:41
  don't
• 7:41
  have
• 7:41
  too
• 7:41
  many
• 7:42
  clubs
• 7:42
  or
• 7:42
  anything
• 7:43
  like
• 7:43
  that.
• 7:43
  I
• 7:44
  kind
• 7:44
  of
• 7:44
  just
• 7:44
  go
• 7:44
  to
• 7:44
  school
• 7:45
  and
• 7:45
  come
• 7:45
  back
• 7:45
  home.
• 7:48
  I
• 7:48
  used
• 7:48
  to
• 7:49
  run
• 7:49
  track
• 7:49
  in
• 7:50
  high
• 7:50
  school.
• 7:50
  I
• 7:51
  have
• 7:51
  a
• 7:52
  little
• 7:52
  bit
• 7:52
  of
• 7:52
  accolades
• 7:53
  in
• 7:53
  there,
• 7:54
  but
• 7:54
  overall,
• 7:56
  I'm
• 7:56
  kind
• 7:56
  of
• 7:56
  just
• 7:57
  a
• 7:57
  regular
• 7:57
  student
• 7:57
  over
• 7:58
  at
• 7:58
  Rowan
• 7:58
  University
• 7:59
  and
• 7:59
  pursuing
• 8:00
  computer
• 8:00
  science.
• 8:02
  I
• 8:02
  heard
• 8:03
  you
• 8:03
  were
• 8:03
  quite
• 8:03
  the
• 8:03
  athlete.
• 8:04
  Is
• 8:04
  that
• 8:04
  true?
• 8:05
  I
• 8:06
  wouldn't
• 8:06
  brag
• 8:06
  too
• 8:07
  much
• 8:07
  about
• 8:07
  myself.
• 8:09
  I'd
• 8:10
  like
• 8:10
  to
• 8:10
  put
• 8:10
  it
• 8:10
  all
• 8:10
  up
• 8:11
  to
• 8:11
  God,
• 8:11
  be
• 8:11
  honest
• 8:12
  with
• 8:12
  you.
• 8:13
  Well,
• 8:14
  I
• 8:15
  heard
• 8:15
  you
• 8:15
  were
• 8:15
  quite
• 8:15
  talented,
• 8:16
  so
• 8:16
  I
• 8:16
  will
• 8:17
  sing
• 8:17
  your
• 8:17
  athletic
• 8:18
  praises
• 8:18
  as
• 8:18
  well.
• 8:19
  So,
• 8:19
  Christian,
• 8:20
  Carrie,
• 8:20
  and
• 8:20
  Jamar,
• 8:21
  thank
• 8:21
  you
• 8:21
  so
• 8:21
  much
• 8:22
  for
• 8:22
  joining
• 8:22
  us
• 8:22
  here
• 8:23
  in
• 8:23
  the
• 8:23
  Wheelhouse
• 8:24
  today.
• 8:24
  We're
• 8:24
  looking
• 8:24
  forward
• 8:25
  to
• 8:25
  this
• 8:26
  conversation.
• 8:26
  And
• 8:27
  because
• 8:27
  it's
• 8:27
  so
• 8:27
  important,
• 8:28
  I'm
• 8:28
  going
• 8:28
  to
• 8:28
  jump
• 8:28
  right
• 8:29
  in.
• 8:29
  I'm
• 8:29
  going
• 8:29
  to
• 8:29
  ask
• 8:29
  you
• 8:30
  the
• 8:30
  first
• 8:30
  question
• 8:31
  and
• 8:32
  I'll
• 8:33
  just
• 8:33
  kind
• 8:34
  of.
• 8:34
  You
• 8:34
  can
• 8:35
  either
• 8:35
  jump
• 8:35
  in
• 8:36
  or
• 8:37
  we'll
• 8:38
  pick
• 8:38
  on
• 8:38
  somebody
• 8:39
  to
• 8:39
  answer
• 8:39
  it.
• 8:40
  And
• 8:40
  of
• 8:41
  course,
• 8:42
  Michael,
• 8:42
  Kathy,
• 8:43
  and
• 8:43
  Alicia
• 8:43
  will
• 8:43
  continue
• 8:44
  to
• 8:44
  explore
• 8:46
  and
• 8:46
  probe
• 8:47
  with
• 8:47
  me.
• 8:48
  When
• 8:48
  you
• 8:48
  think
• 8:49
  back,
• 8:50
  it's
• 8:51
  your
• 8:51
  entire
• 8:51
  educational
• 8:52
  experience
• 8:53
  from
• 8:55
  kindergarten
• 8:55
  all
• 8:55
  the
• 8:56
  way
• 8:56
  to
• 8:56
  where
• 8:56
  you
• 8:57
  are
• 8:57
  now.
• 8:58
  When
• 8:58
  you
• 8:59
  think
• 8:59
  back
• 8:59
  on
• 8:59
  that
• 9:00
  educational
• 9:00
  experience,
• 9:01
  what
• 9:02
  is
• 9:02
  one
• 9:02
  moment
• 9:03
  that
• 9:04
  really
• 9:05
  stands
• 9:05
  out
• 9:05
  to
• 9:06
  you
• 9:06
  that
• 9:07
  really
• 9:07
  shapes
• 9:08
  how
• 9:08
  you
• 9:08
  see
• 9:09
  school?
• 9:10
  I
• 9:11
  guess
• 9:11
  I
• 9:11
  can
• 9:12
  answer
• 9:12
  that.
• 9:14
  The
• 9:15
  one
• 9:15
  experience
• 9:15
  I
• 9:16
  would
• 9:16
  say
• 9:16
  was
• 9:16
  in
• 9:16
  Dr.
• 9:17
  Monroe's
• 9:17
  class
• 9:18
  that
• 9:18
  I
• 9:18
  had
• 9:18
  with
• 9:18
  her,
• 9:19
  Black
• 9:19
  Lives
• 9:19
  Matter,
• 9:20
  the
• 9:20
  ethnographic
• 9:21
  perspective
• 9:21
  of
• 9:21
  the
• 9:21
  movement.
• 9:22
  That
• 9:22
  first
• 9:23
  day
• 9:23
  in
• 9:23
  class,
• 9:24
  she
• 9:25
  didn't
• 9:25
  do
• 9:25
  the
• 9:25
  typical
• 9:26
  introduction
• 9:27
  in
• 9:27
  class.
• 9:28
  She
• 9:28
  had
• 9:28
  us
• 9:28
  talk
• 9:29
  about
• 9:29
  our
• 9:29
  name
• 9:29
  and
• 9:30
  what
• 9:30
  we
• 9:30
  thought
• 9:30
  our
• 9:31
  name
• 9:31
  meant.
• 9:32
  And
• 9:32
  me,
• 9:33
  I
• 9:33
  said
• 9:33
  it
• 9:33
  was
• 9:33
  a
• 9:33
  basic
• 9:34
  black
• 9:34
  name,
• 9:35
  and
• 9:35
  she
• 9:36
  ate
• 9:36
  me
• 9:36
  up
• 9:36
  about
• 9:36
  it
• 9:37
  because
• 9:38
  of
• 9:38
  her
• 9:38
  experiences
• 9:39
  with
• 9:39
  her
• 9:39
  name,
• 9:40
  how
• 9:40
  it's
• 9:40
  spelled
• 9:40
  and
• 9:41
  how
• 9:41
  it's
• 9:41
  really
• 9:41
  pronounced.
• 9:42
  And
• 9:43
  I
• 9:43
  was
• 9:43
  so
• 9:43
  grateful
• 9:44
  for
• 9:44
  that
• 9:44
  because
• 9:45
  it
• 9:45
  gave
• 9:46
  me
• 9:46
  the
• 9:46
  perspective.
• 9:47
  Like
• 9:48
  your
• 9:48
  name,
• 9:48
  it
• 9:49
  matters
• 9:50
  because
• 9:50
  it's
• 9:50
  part
• 9:50
  of
• 9:50
  your
• 9:51
  identity.
• 9:51
  So
• 9:52
  I
• 9:52
  was
• 9:52
  truly
• 9:52
  grateful
• 9:53
  for
• 9:53
  that
• 9:53
  experience.
• 9:54
  Was
• 9:55
  that
• 9:55
  the
• 9:55
  first
• 9:55
  time
• 9:55
  that
• 9:56
  someone
• 9:56
  had
• 9:56
  talked
• 9:56
  to
• 9:57
  you
• 9:57
  about
• 9:57
  your
• 9:57
  Name
• 9:57
  in
• 9:58
  an
• 9:58
  educational
• 9:58
  environment.
• 9:59
  Yes.
• 10:01
  And
• 10:02
  you
• 10:02
  were
• 10:02
  how
• 10:03
  old
• 10:04
  when
• 10:04
  you
• 10:05
  had
• 10:05
  that
• 10:05
  class?
• 10:06
  I
• 10:06
  think
• 10:06
  I
• 10:06
  was
• 10:06
  20,
• 10:07
  maybe
• 10:08
  21.
• 10:08
  Because
• 10:08
  it
• 10:09
  was
• 10:09
  the
• 10:09
  fall
• 10:09
  of
• 10:09
  my.
• 10:11
  Yeah,
• 10:11
  I
• 10:11
  was
• 10:11
  actually
• 10:12
  21.
• 10:12
  It
• 10:13
  was
• 10:13
  the
• 10:13
  fall
• 10:13
  of
• 10:13
  my
• 10:13
  senior
• 10:14
  year.
• 10:15
  Christian,
• 10:15
  what
• 10:15
  about
• 10:15
  you?
• 10:16
  What
• 10:16
  is
• 10:16
  one
• 10:17
  experience,
• 10:18
  K
• 10:18
  through
• 10:19
  wherever
• 10:19
  you
• 10:19
  are
• 10:20
  now,
• 10:21
  K.
• 10:21
  That
• 10:22
  really
• 10:22
  shapes
• 10:23
  how
• 10:23
  you
• 10:23
  see
• 10:23
  school?
• 10:25
  If
• 10:25
  I'm
• 10:25
  being
• 10:26
  honest,
• 10:26
  I
• 10:26
  wouldn't
• 10:27
  say
• 10:27
  one
• 10:27
  particular
• 10:28
  moment.
• 10:28
  I
• 10:28
  would
• 10:29
  say
• 10:30
  in
• 10:30
  general,
• 10:33
  throughout
• 10:33
  high
• 10:33
  school,
• 10:35
  I
• 10:35
  noticed
• 10:35
  that
• 10:36
  I
• 10:36
  was
• 10:36
  always.
• 10:36
  I
• 10:37
  wasn't
• 10:37
  the
• 10:38
  brightest
• 10:40
  person
• 10:40
  or
• 10:40
  I
• 10:40
  wasn't
• 10:41
  the
• 10:41
  sharpest
• 10:41
  tool
• 10:41
  in
• 10:42
  the
• 10:42
  shed.
• 10:43
  So
• 10:43
  I.
• 10:44
  I
• 10:44
  believe,
• 10:44
  really
• 10:45
  realizing
• 10:45
  that
• 10:46
  and,
• 10:46
  you
• 10:46
  know,
• 10:47
  admitting
• 10:47
  to
• 10:47
  it,
• 10:48
  you.
• 10:49
  You
• 10:49
  could
• 10:49
  potentially
• 10:50
  end
• 10:50
  up
• 10:50
  being
• 10:50
  the
• 10:51
  sharpest
• 10:51
  tool
• 10:51
  in
• 10:51
  the
• 10:51
  shed.
• 10:52
  What
• 10:52
  I
• 10:52
  mean
• 10:52
  by
• 10:52
  that
• 10:53
  is
• 10:53
  like,
• 10:55
  you
• 10:55
  know,
• 10:55
  just
• 10:56
  applying
• 10:56
  yourself
• 10:56
  and,
• 10:57
  you
• 10:57
  know,
• 10:58
  taking.
• 10:58
  Yeah,
• 10:59
  taking.
• 11:00
  Taking
• 11:01
  all
• 11:01
  that
• 11:01
  into
• 11:01
  consideration,
• 11:03
  you
• 11:03
  know,
• 11:03
  applying
• 11:04
  yourself
• 11:04
  into
• 11:04
  school.
• 11:05
  You
• 11:05
  could,
• 11:06
  you
• 11:06
  know,
• 11:06
  you
• 11:06
  could
• 11:06
  end
• 11:07
  up
• 11:07
  being
• 11:07
  one
• 11:08
  of
• 11:08
  the.
• 11:08
  One
• 11:09
  of
• 11:09
  the
• 11:09
  brighter
• 11:09
  kids
• 11:10
  in.
• 11:10
  In
• 11:10
  the
• 11:10
  class.
• 11:11
  I
• 11:11
  just,
• 11:12
  you
• 11:12
  know,
• 11:12
  I
• 11:12
  just
• 11:12
  never
• 11:13
  thought
• 11:13
  that
• 11:13
  about
• 11:13
  myself,
• 11:14
  but
• 11:14
  eventually,
• 11:16
  I
• 11:16
  eventually
• 11:17
  began
• 11:18
  to
• 11:18
  get
• 11:18
  more
• 11:18
  A's
• 11:19
  and,
• 11:19
  you
• 11:19
  know,
• 11:20
  stuff
• 11:20
  like
• 11:20
  that.
• 11:21
  We're
• 11:21
  going
• 11:22
  to
• 11:22
  explore
• 11:22
  that
• 11:22
  in
• 11:22
  a
• 11:23
  few
• 11:23
  minutes
• 11:23
  as
• 11:23
  well.
• 11:24
  That.
• 11:24
  That
• 11:24
  dynamic.
• 11:26
  I
• 11:26
  was
• 11:26
  going
• 11:26
  to
• 11:26
  ask
• 11:27
  a
• 11:27
  question,
• 11:27
  but
• 11:28
  go
• 11:29
  ahead.
• 11:29
  We
• 11:29
  can.
• 11:29
  Okay.
• 11:30
  So,
• 11:30
  Christian,
• 11:31
  when
• 11:31
  you.
• 11:31
  When
• 11:31
  you
• 11:32
  say
• 11:32
  that
• 11:33
  and
• 11:33
  that
• 11:33
  you.
• 11:34
  That
• 11:35
  came
• 11:35
  with.
• 11:36
  With
• 11:36
  maturity,
• 11:37
  what
• 11:38
  did.
• 11:38
  What
• 11:38
  did
• 11:38
  that
• 11:38
  look
• 11:39
  like
• 11:39
  for
• 11:40
  the
• 11:40
  adults
• 11:41
  along
• 11:41
  the
• 11:41
  way?
• 11:42
  How.
• 11:43
  How
• 11:43
  did
• 11:43
  that
• 11:43
  shape.
• 11:45
  Whether
• 11:45
  it's
• 11:45
  positive
• 11:46
  or
• 11:46
  a
• 11:46
  negative
• 11:47
  way,
• 11:47
  when
• 11:48
  you
• 11:48
  think
• 11:48
  about
• 11:48
  the
• 11:48
  educators
• 11:49
  and
• 11:50
  that,
• 11:51
  you
• 11:51
  know,
• 11:52
  just
• 11:52
  feeling
• 11:52
  and
• 11:53
  mindset
• 11:53
  that
• 11:53
  you
• 11:54
  had
• 11:54
  about
• 11:54
  yourself,
• 11:55
  because
• 11:55
  obviously
• 11:56
  you
• 11:56
  weren't.
• 11:57
  You
• 11:58
  didn't.
• 11:58
  You
• 11:58
  weren't
• 11:59
  born
• 11:59
  thinking,
• 12:00
  well,
• 12:00
  I'm
• 12:00
  not
• 12:00
  the
• 12:01
  sharpest
• 12:01
  tool
• 12:02
  in
• 12:02
  the.
• 12:02
  In
• 12:02
  the
• 12:03
  shed.
• 12:03
  So
• 12:04
  what
• 12:04
  did.
• 12:05
  How
• 12:05
  did
• 12:05
  that
• 12:05
  come
• 12:06
  to
• 12:06
  be
• 12:07
  in.
• 12:07
  In
• 12:08
  the
• 12:08
  educational
• 12:09
  space?
• 12:11
  Yeah,
• 12:12
  I
• 12:12
  was
• 12:13
  never
• 12:13
  really
• 12:13
  the
• 12:13
  happiest
• 12:14
  person
• 12:14
  in
• 12:14
  the
• 12:15
  world,
• 12:17
  but
• 12:17
  overall,
• 12:18
  with
• 12:18
  great
• 12:19
  support
• 12:19
  from
• 12:19
  my
• 12:20
  mom,
• 12:20
  my
• 12:20
  dad,
• 12:21
  and
• 12:21
  of
• 12:21
  course,
• 12:22
  my
• 12:22
  aunt,
• 12:23
  you
• 12:23
  know,
• 12:23
  it.
• 12:23
  It
• 12:24
  does
• 12:24
  a
• 12:24
  lot
• 12:24
  for
• 12:25
  somebody.
• 12:25
  Just.
• 12:26
  Just
• 12:26
  a
• 12:26
  simple,
• 12:27
  I'm
• 12:27
  proud
• 12:28
  of
• 12:28
  you
• 12:28
  or
• 12:29
  you're
• 12:29
  doing
• 12:29
  great.
• 12:30
  It
• 12:30
  could
• 12:30
  really
• 12:30
  move.
• 12:31
  It
• 12:31
  could
• 12:31
  make
• 12:31
  somebody's
• 12:32
  day.
• 12:32
  You
• 12:32
  know,
• 12:33
  even
• 12:33
  for
• 12:33
  a
• 12:34
  kid
• 12:34
  that's,
• 12:35
  you
• 12:35
  know,
• 12:35
  going
• 12:35
  through
• 12:36
  high
• 12:36
  school,
• 12:36
  because
• 12:37
  high
• 12:37
  school
• 12:37
  is
• 12:37
  a
• 12:38
  complete
• 12:38
  change
• 12:39
  in.
• 12:39
  In
• 12:40
  education,
• 12:40
  in
• 12:41
  an
• 12:41
  educational
• 12:42
  environment.
• 12:43
  So,
• 12:43
  you
• 12:44
  know,
• 12:44
  I
• 12:44
  had
• 12:45
  a
• 12:45
  lot
• 12:45
  of
• 12:45
  support
• 12:45
  from
• 12:46
  my
• 12:46
  teachers
• 12:46
  and,
• 12:47
  you
• 12:47
  know,
• 12:49
  especially
• 12:49
  coaches.
• 12:50
  Coaches
• 12:50
  were
• 12:51
  always
• 12:51
  on
• 12:51
  me
• 12:51
  about
• 12:52
  making
• 12:52
  sure
• 12:53
  that
• 12:53
  I
• 12:53
  was
• 12:53
  going
• 12:54
  to,
• 12:55
  if
• 12:55
  I
• 12:55
  needed
• 12:55
  it,
• 12:56
  some
• 12:56
  type
• 12:56
  of
• 12:56
  someone
• 12:57
  to
• 12:57
  talk
• 12:57
  to
• 12:57
  or,
• 12:58
  you
• 12:59
  know,
• 12:59
  just,
• 12:59
  you
• 13:00
  know,
• 13:00
  making
• 13:01
  sure
• 13:01
  that
• 13:01
  I'm
• 13:01
  staying
• 13:02
  up
• 13:02
  on
• 13:02
  my
• 13:02
  work
• 13:02
  because
• 13:03
  I
• 13:03
  know
• 13:03
  how
• 13:04
  it
• 13:04
  can
• 13:04
  get.
• 13:04
  It
• 13:05
  can
• 13:05
  be
• 13:05
  draining
• 13:05
  when
• 13:06
  you're
• 13:06
  going
• 13:07
  through
• 13:07
  it
• 13:07
  mentally.
• 13:09
  Carrie,
• 13:09
  was
• 13:09
  there
• 13:09
  a
• 13:09
  moment
• 13:10
  for
• 13:10
  you
• 13:10
  when
• 13:11
  that
• 13:11
  comes
• 13:12
  to
• 13:12
  mind
• 13:12
  that
• 13:12
  really
• 13:13
  shapes
• 13:13
  how
• 13:13
  you
• 13:14
  see
• 13:14
  school?
• 13:16
  Yes,
• 13:17
  I'm
• 13:17
  going
• 13:17
  to
• 13:18
  say
• 13:19
  elementary
• 13:20
  school
• 13:21
  and
• 13:22
  I
• 13:23
  was
• 13:23
  in
• 13:23
  the
• 13:23
  third
• 13:23
  grade
• 13:26
  and
• 13:26
  I
• 13:27
  have
• 13:27
  cerebral
• 13:27
  palsy.
• 13:29
  I
• 13:30
  am
• 13:30
  very
• 13:32
  blunt
• 13:33
  and
• 13:33
  honest
• 13:33
  about
• 13:33
  my
• 13:34
  condition.
• 13:34
  So
• 13:34
  I
• 13:34
  have
• 13:34
  cerebral
• 13:35
  palsy.
• 13:35
  So
• 13:35
  I
• 13:36
  used
• 13:36
  to
• 13:36
  wear
• 13:36
  a
• 13:36
  leg
• 13:36
  brace
• 13:38
  and
• 13:39
  it
• 13:39
  takes
• 13:39
  time
• 13:40
  for
• 13:40
  me
• 13:41
  to
• 13:42
  walk
• 13:42
  to
• 13:42
  certain
• 13:42
  places.
• 13:44
  So
• 13:44
  I
• 13:44
  went
• 13:44
  to
• 13:44
  my
• 13:45
  one
• 13:45
  class
• 13:45
  and
• 13:46
  my
• 13:46
  teacher
• 13:47
  said,
• 13:47
  what,
• 13:47
  are
• 13:48
  you
• 13:48
  crippled
• 13:48
  or
• 13:48
  something?
• 13:50
  And
• 13:51
  from
• 13:51
  that
• 13:51
  point
• 13:51
  on,
• 13:52
  I
• 13:53
  automatically
• 13:54
  had
• 13:54
  to
• 13:56
  overindulge
• 13:57
  the
• 13:57
  reason
• 13:57
  why
• 13:58
  I
• 13:59
  am
• 13:59
  the
• 13:59
  way
• 13:59
  I
• 13:59
  am.
• 14:01
  And
• 14:01
  I
• 14:01
  felt
• 14:01
  like
• 14:01
  I
• 14:01
  had
• 14:02
  to
• 14:02
  over
• 14:02
  apologize
• 14:03
  for
• 14:03
  certain
• 14:03
  things
• 14:03
  that
• 14:04
  were
• 14:04
  out
• 14:04
  of
• 14:04
  my
• 14:04
  control.
• 14:06
  So
• 14:06
  going
• 14:07
  forward
• 14:07
  from
• 14:07
  like
• 14:08
  middle
• 14:08
  school
• 14:09
  to
• 14:09
  high
• 14:09
  school,
• 14:10
  even
• 14:10
  in
• 14:11
  my.
• 14:11
  Because
• 14:12
  I'm
• 14:12
  a.
• 14:13
  I
• 14:13
  will
• 14:13
  be
• 14:13
  a
• 14:13
  double
• 14:14
  alum
• 14:14
  at
• 14:14
  Rowan
• 14:15
  when
• 14:15
  I
• 14:15
  graduate
• 14:15
  in
• 14:16
  May,
• 14:16
  even
• 14:16
  in
• 14:17
  my
• 14:17
  Rowan
• 14:19
  history
• 14:19
  of
• 14:20
  me
• 14:20
  being
• 14:20
  here,
• 14:20
  I
• 14:21
  feel
• 14:21
  like
• 14:21
  I
• 14:21
  had
• 14:22
  to
• 14:22
  overindulge
• 14:23
  and
• 14:23
  just
• 14:24
  apologize
• 14:25
  for
• 14:25
  everything.
• 14:26
  So
• 14:27
  that
• 14:27
  shaped
• 14:27
  me
• 14:28
  and
• 14:28
  it
• 14:29
  just
• 14:29
  made
• 14:29
  me
• 14:29
  realize
• 14:30
  that
• 14:30
  I
• 14:31
  don't
• 14:31
  want
• 14:32
  the
• 14:32
  reason
• 14:32
  why
• 14:32
  I'm
• 14:33
  in
• 14:33
  the
• 14:33
  field
• 14:33
  that
• 14:33
  I'm
• 14:33
  in.
• 14:34
  I
• 14:34
  want.
• 14:35
  I
• 14:35
  don't
• 14:35
  want
• 14:35
  other
• 14:36
  students
• 14:36
  or
• 14:36
  kids
• 14:37
  to
• 14:37
  feel
• 14:37
  how
• 14:37
  I
• 14:38
  felt,
• 14:38
  like
• 14:38
  I
• 14:38
  wasn't
• 14:38
  good
• 14:39
  enough
• 14:39
  because
• 14:39
  I
• 14:39
  wasn't
• 14:40
  able
• 14:40
  bodied
• 14:42
  or
• 14:42
  I
• 14:43
  needed
• 14:44
  extra
• 14:44
  time
• 14:44
  on
• 14:45
  tests.
• 14:46
  So
• 14:46
  I
• 14:46
  kind
• 14:46
  of
• 14:46
  agree
• 14:47
  and
• 14:48
  understand
• 14:48
  where
• 14:48
  Christian
• 14:49
  is
• 14:49
  coming
• 14:49
  from
• 14:50
  because
• 14:51
  when
• 14:51
  somebody
• 14:52
  instills
• 14:53
  that
• 14:53
  negativity,
• 14:54
  it
• 14:55
  stays
• 14:55
  in
• 14:55
  your
• 14:55
  mind
• 14:56
  forever.
• 14:57
  So,
• 14:58
  Carrie,
• 14:59
  thank
• 14:59
  you
• 14:59
  for
• 14:59
  sharing
• 15:00
  that.
• 15:00
  I
• 15:00
  mean,
• 15:01
  I'm
• 15:02
  enraged.
• 15:04
  I'm
• 15:05
  enraged
• 15:05
  to
• 15:05
  hear
• 15:05
  that
• 15:06
  as
• 15:06
  you
• 15:06
  think,
• 15:07
  you
• 15:07
  know,
• 15:07
  as
• 15:07
  an
• 15:08
  adult.
• 15:09
  As
• 15:09
  an
• 15:09
  adult
• 15:10
  now
• 15:10
  thinking
• 15:10
  back
• 15:10
  upon
• 15:11
  that
• 15:11
  third
• 15:11
  grade
• 15:12
  experience.
• 15:12
  And
• 15:13
  that
• 15:13
  leads
• 15:13
  me
• 15:13
  into
• 15:14
  another
• 15:14
  question.
• 15:15
  It's
• 15:15
  just
• 15:15
  right
• 15:16
  here.
• 15:16
  Right.
• 15:17
  So
• 15:17
  what
• 15:17
  would
• 15:18
  carry
• 15:18
  the
• 15:18
  adult
• 15:19
  now
• 15:19
  today,
• 15:20
  like
• 15:20
  to
• 15:21
  say
• 15:21
  to
• 15:21
  the
• 15:21
  third
• 15:21
  grade
• 15:22
  teacher
• 15:22
  who
• 15:22
  made
• 15:22
  you
• 15:23
  feel
• 15:23
  like
• 15:23
  you
• 15:23
  were
• 15:23
  less
• 15:24
  worthy?
• 15:25
  If
• 15:26
  I
• 15:26
  wasn't
• 15:26
  saved,
• 15:26
  I
• 15:26
  would
• 15:27
  have
• 15:27
  cursed
• 15:27
  her
• 15:28
  out.
• 15:28
  I'm
• 15:28
  just
• 15:28
  being
• 15:28
  honest.
• 15:29
  But.
• 15:31
  But
• 15:33
  the,
• 15:33
  the
• 15:33
  same.
• 15:34
  What
• 15:34
  would
• 15:34
  you
• 15:34
  like
• 15:34
  her
• 15:35
  to
• 15:35
  learn?
• 15:36
  Right.
• 15:36
  Understandably,
• 15:38
  somebody.
• 15:38
  Yes.
• 15:39
  Yes.
• 15:40
  Being
• 15:40
  somebody's
• 15:41
  mother
• 15:41
  now
• 15:42
  I
• 15:42
  would
• 15:42
  just
• 15:42
  be
• 15:43
  like,
• 15:43
  thank
• 15:43
  you
• 15:43
  for
• 15:45
  putting
• 15:45
  your
• 15:46
  negativity
• 15:47
  on
• 15:47
  me
• 15:47
  because
• 15:47
  it
• 15:47
  pushed
• 15:48
  me
• 15:48
  to
• 15:48
  do
• 15:48
  greater
• 15:49
  things.
• 15:50
  You
• 15:50
  know,
• 15:51
  I've
• 15:51
  overcame
• 15:52
  so
• 15:52
  much.
• 15:52
  I,
• 15:53
  you
• 15:53
  know,
• 15:54
  got
• 15:54
  my
• 15:54
  associates,
• 15:55
  I
• 15:55
  got
• 15:55
  my
• 15:55
  bachelor's,
• 15:56
  I'm
• 15:56
  working
• 15:56
  towards
• 15:57
  my
• 15:57
  master's
• 15:58
  with
• 15:58
  having
• 15:58
  a
• 15:58
  two
• 15:59
  year
• 15:59
  old,
• 15:59
  that's
• 16:00
  a
• 16:00
  lot.
• 16:01
  That
• 16:02
  is
• 16:02
  a
• 16:02
  lot.
• 16:04
  So
• 16:05
  crippled
• 16:05
  or
• 16:06
  not,
• 16:06
  I
• 16:06
  pushed
• 16:06
  my
• 16:07
  way
• 16:07
  through.
• 16:07
  Thank
• 16:08
  you.
• 16:09
  Well
• 16:10
  said.
• 16:10
  It
• 16:10
  takes
• 16:10
  a
• 16:10
  lot
• 16:11
  of
• 16:12
  character
• 16:14
  for
• 16:14
  someone
• 16:14
  to,
• 16:15
  for
• 16:15
  you
• 16:15
  to
• 16:16
  be
• 16:16
  able
• 16:16
  to
• 16:16
  say
• 16:16
  that.
• 16:17
  Right.
• 16:18
  Because
• 16:18
  I
• 16:18
  would
• 16:19
  have
• 16:19
  joined
• 16:19
  you
• 16:19
  in
• 16:19
  the
• 16:19
  cursing
• 16:20
  part.
• 16:20
  Right.
• 16:22
  I
• 16:22
  would
• 16:22
  have
• 16:23
  had
• 16:23
  something
• 16:23
  negative
• 16:24
  to
• 16:24
  say
• 16:24
  there.
• 16:25
  Whoa.
• 16:26
  Right.
• 16:27
  Yes.
• 16:29
  So
• 16:29
  kind
• 16:30
  of
• 16:30
  capitalizing
• 16:31
  on
• 16:32
  that
• 16:32
  whole
• 16:32
  idea
• 16:34
  that
• 16:34
  Carrie
• 16:35
  has
• 16:35
  mentioned.
• 16:36
  Were
• 16:36
  there
• 16:36
  Jamar
• 16:37
  and
• 16:37
  Christian,
• 16:38
  were
• 16:38
  there
• 16:39
  moments
• 16:40
  when
• 16:40
  you
• 16:40
  felt
• 16:41
  disconnected
• 16:43
  from
• 16:43
  this
• 16:44
  whole
• 16:44
  school
• 16:45
  experience,
• 16:46
  somewhere
• 16:47
  in
• 16:48
  your
• 16:48
  school
• 16:48
  experience,
• 16:49
  and
• 16:49
  if
• 16:50
  so,
• 16:51
  why
• 16:51
  and
• 16:52
  where?
• 16:53
  I
• 16:53
  guess
• 16:54
  for
• 16:54
  me
• 16:56
  there
• 16:56
  probably
• 16:56
  was
• 16:56
  definitely
• 16:57
  multiple
• 16:57
  times
• 16:58
  throughout
• 16:59
  my
• 16:59
  P12
• 17:00
  schooling,
• 17:00
  but
• 17:01
  especially
• 17:02
  in
• 17:03
  higher
• 17:03
  ed.
• 17:04
  Me,
• 17:04
  I
• 17:04
  went
• 17:04
  to
• 17:05
  my
• 17:05
  high
• 17:05
  school
• 17:05
  and
• 17:06
  stuff.
• 17:06
  It
• 17:06
  was
• 17:06
  very
• 17:06
  mixed.
• 17:07
  So
• 17:08
  coming
• 17:08
  to
• 17:08
  Rowan,
• 17:08
  it
• 17:09
  was
• 17:09
  a
• 17:09
  culture
• 17:09
  shock.
• 17:10
  A
• 17:10
  predominantly
• 17:10
  white
• 17:11
  institution.
• 17:11
  I'm
• 17:12
  a
• 17:12
  first
• 17:12
  generation
• 17:13
  college
• 17:13
  student,
• 17:14
  so
• 17:14
  I
• 17:15
  didn't
• 17:15
  have
• 17:15
  the
• 17:16
  stepping
• 17:16
  stones
• 17:16
  or
• 17:17
  know
• 17:17
  how
• 17:17
  to
• 17:17
  navigate
• 17:18
  a
• 17:18
  college
• 17:19
  campus.
• 17:19
  Especially
• 17:20
  Rowan.
• 17:20
  It
• 17:21
  seems
• 17:21
  small,
• 17:21
  but
• 17:21
  Rowan
• 17:22
  is
• 17:22
  pretty
• 17:23
  big.
• 17:24
  And
• 17:25
  being
• 17:25
  a
• 17:26
  law
• 17:26
  and
• 17:26
  justice
• 17:26
  major,
• 17:27
  walking
• 17:28
  in
• 17:28
  a
• 17:28
  classroom
• 17:28
  where
• 17:29
  you're
• 17:29
  most
• 17:30
  likely
• 17:30
  going
• 17:30
  to
• 17:30
  be
• 17:30
  the
• 17:30
  only
• 17:31
  black
• 17:31
  student,
• 17:32
  it
• 17:33
  was
• 17:33
  very
• 17:33
  overwhelming.
• 17:35
  And
• 17:35
  a
• 17:35
  lot
• 17:35
  of
• 17:35
  times
• 17:36
  I
• 17:36
  did
• 17:36
  feel
• 17:36
  like
• 17:37
  I
• 17:37
  wasn't
• 17:37
  being
• 17:38
  seen
• 17:38
  in
• 17:38
  class.
• 17:39
  I
• 17:39
  felt
• 17:39
  disconnected
• 17:40
  from
• 17:40
  my
• 17:40
  white
• 17:40
  counterparts
• 17:41
  and
• 17:42
  it
• 17:42
  led
• 17:43
  to
• 17:43
  me
• 17:43
  joining
• 17:43
  clubs
• 17:44
  and
• 17:44
  organizations
• 17:45
  because
• 17:45
  I
• 17:45
  had
• 17:45
  to
• 17:45
  find
• 17:45
  my
• 17:46
  community.
• 17:46
  I
• 17:46
  had
• 17:46
  to
• 17:46
  find
• 17:47
  the
• 17:47
  people
• 17:47
  who
• 17:47
  were
• 17:48
  going
• 17:48
  to
• 17:48
  support
• 17:48
  me.
• 17:49
  And
• 17:49
  if
• 17:49
  it
• 17:49
  wasn't
• 17:50
  for
• 17:50
  that,
• 17:50
  I
• 17:51
  don't
• 17:51
  think
• 17:51
  I'd
• 17:51
  be
• 17:51
  where
• 17:51
  I
• 17:51
  am
• 17:52
  now.
• 17:53
  Christian,
• 17:53
  was
• 17:53
  there
• 17:54
  a
• 17:54
  moment
• 17:54
  where
• 17:55
  you
• 17:55
  just
• 17:55
  felt
• 17:55
  disconnected?
• 17:57
  If
• 17:57
  I'm
• 17:57
  being
• 17:58
  completely
• 17:58
  honest,
• 18:02
  I'd
• 18:02
  probably
• 18:02
  say,
• 18:03
  like.
• 18:05
  Cause
• 18:05
  I'm
• 18:05
  still
• 18:07
  a
• 18:07
  sophomore
• 18:08
  in
• 18:08
  college.
• 18:08
  I
• 18:09
  haven't
• 18:09
  really
• 18:09
  gotten
• 18:10
  the
• 18:10
  whole
• 18:10
  experience
• 18:11
  with
• 18:11
  college
• 18:12
  just
• 18:12
  yet,
• 18:13
  but
• 18:13
  just
• 18:14
  from
• 18:14
  my
• 18:14
  experience
• 18:15
  alone
• 18:15
  right
• 18:15
  now,
• 18:16
  I
• 18:16
  can.
• 18:18
  I
• 18:18
  could
• 18:18
  definitely
• 18:19
  tell
• 18:19
  that
• 18:20
  there
• 18:20
  are.
• 18:21
  There
• 18:21
  are
• 18:22
  some
• 18:22
  places
• 18:22
  where
• 18:22
  you
• 18:23
  can
• 18:23
  feel
• 18:23
  disconnected.
• 18:25
  For
• 18:25
  example,
• 18:26
  like
• 18:27
  there
• 18:27
  are.
• 18:27
  There's
• 18:28
  a
• 18:28
  lot
• 18:28
  of
• 18:28
  people,
• 18:28
  there's
• 18:29
  a
• 18:29
  lot
• 18:29
  of
• 18:29
  kids
• 18:29
  that,
• 18:29
  you
• 18:30
  know,
• 18:30
  they
• 18:30
  won't
• 18:30
  really
• 18:31
  engage
• 18:32
  or
• 18:32
  they
• 18:32
  won't.
• 18:32
  Like,
• 18:33
  they
• 18:33
  won't
• 18:33
  be
• 18:34
  on
• 18:34
  the.
• 18:35
  Our
• 18:35
  society
• 18:35
  is
• 18:36
  more
• 18:37
  captivated
• 18:37
  with
• 18:38
  being
• 18:38
  on
• 18:38
  their
• 18:39
  phone.
• 18:39
  So
• 18:40
  it's
• 18:41
  not
• 18:41
  like
• 18:41
  people
• 18:41
  will
• 18:41
  ever
• 18:42
  really
• 18:42
  come
• 18:42
  up
• 18:42
  to
• 18:42
  you
• 18:42
  anymore.
• 18:43
  It's
• 18:43
  just
• 18:43
  like
• 18:44
  it's
• 18:44
  kind
• 18:44
  of
• 18:45
  either,
• 18:46
  you
• 18:46
  know,
• 18:47
  you
• 18:47
  already
• 18:47
  got
• 18:48
  that
• 18:48
  little.
• 18:48
  You
• 18:49
  got.
• 18:49
  You
• 18:49
  already
• 18:49
  got
• 18:49
  a
• 18:50
  little
• 18:50
  friend
• 18:50
  group
• 18:50
  or
• 18:51
  whatever.
• 18:51
  And
• 18:53
  if
• 18:53
  I.
• 18:53
  If
• 18:53
  I
• 18:53
  had
• 18:54
  to
• 18:54
  say
• 18:54
  disconnected,
• 18:57
  I
• 18:57
  don't
• 18:57
  know
• 18:57
  if
• 18:58
  I
• 18:58
  really
• 18:58
  ever
• 18:58
  felt
• 18:59
  disconnected
• 18:59
  from
• 19:01
  school.
• 19:02
  I'd
• 19:02
  kind
• 19:02
  of
• 19:02
  say
• 19:03
  I'm
• 19:03
  just.
• 19:03
  That's
• 19:04
  just
• 19:04
  who
• 19:04
  I
• 19:04
  really
• 19:05
  am.
• 19:05
  I've
• 19:05
  always
• 19:06
  felt
• 19:06
  like
• 19:06
  I
• 19:07
  was
• 19:07
  disconnected
• 19:07
  from
• 19:08
  in
• 19:09
  general,
• 19:09
  but
• 19:09
  I
• 19:10
  still,
• 19:10
  I
• 19:10
  still.
• 19:12
  I
• 19:12
  don't
• 19:13
  know,
• 19:13
  I
• 19:14
  still
• 19:14
  get
• 19:14
  my
• 19:14
  work
• 19:15
  done
• 19:15
  and
• 19:15
  stuff,
• 19:15
  but
• 19:16
  I've
• 19:16
  never
• 19:16
  really
• 19:17
  had
• 19:17
  that.
• 19:18
  I
• 19:19
  never
• 19:19
  really
• 19:19
  had
• 19:19
  that
• 19:20
  pure
• 19:20
  connection
• 19:20
  to
• 19:21
  school.
• 19:22
  If
• 19:22
  you
• 19:22
  don't
• 19:22
  understand
• 19:23
  what
• 19:23
  I'm
• 19:23
  saying.
• 19:24
  So
• 19:24
  you're
• 19:25
  slightly
• 19:25
  distanced
• 19:26
  from
• 19:26
  the
• 19:26
  experience,
• 19:27
  even
• 19:27
  though
• 19:28
  you're
• 19:28
  engaging
• 19:28
  and
• 19:29
  doing
• 19:29
  what
• 19:29
  you're
• 19:29
  doing.
• 19:30
  Yeah.
• 19:32
  So
• 19:32
  I
• 19:32
  think
• 19:32
  I
• 19:32
  want
• 19:32
  to
• 19:33
  do
• 19:33
  some
• 19:33
  level
• 19:33
  setting
• 19:36
  before
• 19:36
  we
• 19:36
  move
• 19:36
  in.
• 19:37
  We're
• 19:37
  sitting
• 19:37
  with
• 19:38
  three
• 19:38
  students
• 19:38
  of
• 19:39
  color,
• 19:40
  and
• 19:41
  not
• 19:41
  that
• 19:41
  that
• 19:42
  shifts
• 19:42
  the
• 19:42
  atmosphere
• 19:43
  a
• 19:43
  bit,
• 19:44
  but
• 19:45
  words
• 19:45
  like
• 19:46
  invisibility,
• 19:47
  mediocrity,
• 19:49
  less
• 19:49
  than
• 19:51
  not
• 19:52
  mattering,
• 19:52
  things
• 19:53
  like
• 19:53
  that.
• 19:55
  Maybe
• 19:56
  what
• 19:56
  we
• 19:56
  should
• 19:56
  introduce
• 19:57
  into
• 19:57
  the
• 19:58
  conversation
• 19:58
  because
• 19:59
  I
• 19:59
  think
• 19:59
  that
• 19:59
  there
• 20:00
  is
• 20:00
  more
• 20:00
  of
• 20:00
  an
• 20:00
  identity
• 20:01
  with
• 20:01
  that
• 20:03
  than
• 20:05
  us
• 20:06
  moving
• 20:06
  slowly
• 20:07
  towards
• 20:07
  the
• 20:08
  fact
• 20:08
  that
• 20:08
  we're
• 20:09
  thinking
• 20:09
  about
• 20:09
  a
• 20:09
  humanizing
• 20:10
  approach
• 20:10
  to
• 20:10
  education.
• 20:11
  What
• 20:12
  is
• 20:12
  dignity
• 20:12
  for
• 20:12
  them?
• 20:13
  What
• 20:13
  is
• 20:13
  respect?
• 20:14
  When
• 20:14
  I
• 20:14
  hear
• 20:15
  Carrie
• 20:15
  Elizabeth
• 20:16
  Brown
• 20:16
  talk
• 20:16
  about
• 20:18
  a
• 20:18
  teacher
• 20:19
  saying
• 20:19
  or
• 20:20
  connoting
• 20:20
  that
• 20:20
  she
• 20:21
  was
• 20:21
  crippled
• 20:22
  because
• 20:22
  she
• 20:23
  had.
• 20:25
  I
• 20:25
  know
• 20:25
  that
• 20:26
  our
• 20:26
  listeners
• 20:26
  want
• 20:27
  to
• 20:27
  hear
• 20:27
  more
• 20:27
  about
• 20:28
  that
• 20:28
  level
• 20:29
  of
• 20:29
  experience
• 20:30
  because
• 20:30
  I
• 20:30
  think
• 20:31
  those
• 20:31
  are
• 20:32
  the
• 20:32
  stories
• 20:33
  that
• 20:33
  are
• 20:33
  not
• 20:33
  being
• 20:33
  told
• 20:35
  in
• 20:35
  our
• 20:36
  schools.
• 20:37
  And
• 20:38
  if
• 20:38
  we're
• 20:39
  segueing
• 20:40
  from
• 20:40
  the
• 20:41
  last
• 20:41
  conversations
• 20:42
  we
• 20:42
  had
• 20:42
  around
• 20:42
  invisibility,
• 20:43
  I
• 20:44
  think
• 20:44
  we
• 20:45
  may
• 20:45
  want
• 20:45
  to
• 20:45
  focus
• 20:46
  more
• 20:46
  in
• 20:46
  that
• 20:47
  space
• 20:47
  because
• 20:48
  we
• 20:48
  do
• 20:48
  have
• 20:49
  a
• 20:49
  subgroup
• 20:50
  represented
• 20:51
  here
• 20:51
  that
• 20:51
  we
• 20:51
  could
• 20:52
  really
• 20:52
  get
• 20:52
  some
• 20:52
  rich
• 20:53
  conversation
• 20:53
  from.
• 20:55
  I
• 20:55
  guess
• 20:55
  I
• 20:55
  would
• 20:55
  say
• 20:57
  being
• 20:57
  seen,
• 20:58
  it
• 20:59
  means
• 20:59
  a
• 20:59
  lot,
• 20:59
  especially
• 21:01
  when
• 21:01
  you're
• 21:01
  a
• 21:01
  student
• 21:02
  of
• 21:02
  color.
• 21:04
  I
• 21:05
  feel
• 21:05
  like
• 21:06
  my
• 21:07
  experiences
• 21:07
  at
• 21:07
  Rowan
• 21:08
  and
• 21:08
  meeting
• 21:08
  the
• 21:09
  people
• 21:09
  that
• 21:09
  I
• 21:09
  did
• 21:09
  meet
• 21:10
  from
• 21:10
  administration
• 21:10
  down
• 21:11
  to
• 21:11
  like
• 21:11
  faculty
• 21:12
  and
• 21:12
  staff,
• 21:13
  it
• 21:14
  has
• 21:14
  gotten
• 21:14
  me
• 21:15
  to
• 21:15
  this
• 21:15
  point
• 21:16
  because
• 21:16
  it's
• 21:17
  a
• 21:17
  support
• 21:17
  system.
• 21:18
  Like
• 21:18
  that's
• 21:18
  all
• 21:19
  students
• 21:19
  need,
• 21:19
  all
• 21:19
  students
• 21:20
  want
• 21:20
  is
• 21:21
  support.
• 21:21
  And
• 21:21
  everybody
• 21:22
  wants
• 21:22
  to
• 21:22
  be
• 21:22
  seen
• 21:23
  or
• 21:23
  like
• 21:23
  heard.
• 21:24
  And
• 21:25
  as
• 21:26
  students
• 21:26
  in
• 21:26
  college,
• 21:27
  a
• 21:27
  lot
• 21:27
  of
• 21:27
  time
• 21:29
  fear.
• 21:30
  Fear
• 21:30
  stops
• 21:31
  students
• 21:31
  from
• 21:32
  doing
• 21:32
  a
• 21:32
  lot.
• 21:33
  And
• 21:34
  I
• 21:34
  feel
• 21:34
  like
• 21:35
  if
• 21:36
  just
• 21:36
  anybody
• 21:37
  who
• 21:37
  comes
• 21:37
  encounter
• 21:38
  with
• 21:38
  students,
• 21:38
  if
• 21:39
  you
• 21:39
  give
• 21:39
  them
• 21:40
  grace
• 21:40
  and
• 21:40
  give
• 21:41
  yourself
• 21:41
  grace
• 21:41
  as
• 21:42
  an
• 21:42
  educator,
• 21:43
  I
• 21:43
  feel
• 21:43
  like
• 21:44
  things
• 21:45
  would
• 21:46
  just
• 21:46
  be
• 21:46
  different.
• 21:47
  And
• 21:48
  I
• 21:48
  know
• 21:48
  that's
• 21:48
  like
• 21:49
  a
• 21:49
  work
• 21:49
  in
• 21:49
  progress
• 21:49
  because
• 21:49
  Rome
• 21:50
  wasn't
• 21:50
  built
• 21:50
  in
• 21:50
  a
• 21:50
  day.
• 21:51
  So
• 21:51
  it's
• 21:51
  just
• 21:51
  a
• 21:51
  lot
• 21:52
  of
• 21:52
  learning
• 21:52
  on
• 21:52
  both
• 21:52
  ends,
• 21:53
  on
• 21:53
  the
• 21:53
  students
• 21:53
  end
• 21:54
  and.
• 21:54
  And
• 21:54
  even
• 21:54
  people
• 21:55
  who
• 21:55
  come
• 21:55
  encounter
• 21:55
  with
• 21:55
  students.
• 21:57
  So
• 21:57
  let's
• 21:57
  explore
• 21:58
  those
• 21:58
  words.
• 21:58
  Seen
• 21:59
  and
• 21:59
  heard.
• 22:00
  How
• 22:00
  do
• 22:00
  you
• 22:00
  know
• 22:01
  what
• 22:01
  does
• 22:01
  it
• 22:01
  feel
• 22:02
  like
• 22:02
  when
• 22:02
  you
• 22:03
  are
• 22:03
  seen
• 22:04
  and
• 22:04
  heard?
• 22:06
  I
• 22:06
  guess
• 22:06
  for
• 22:07
  me,
• 22:08
  being
• 22:09
  seen,
• 22:10
  it's.
• 22:12
  It's
• 22:12
  just
• 22:12
  people
• 22:13
  acknowledging.
• 22:16
  I'm
• 22:16
  trying
• 22:16
  to.
• 22:18
  Just
• 22:19
  acknowledging
• 22:19
  certain
• 22:20
  things.
• 22:20
  Even
• 22:22
  a
• 22:22
  lot
• 22:22
  of
• 22:22
  time,
• 22:23
  like
• 22:23
  being
• 22:24
  at
• 22:24
  a
• 22:24
  pwi
• 22:24
  experienced
• 22:25
  a
• 22:25
  lot
• 22:25
  of
• 22:25
  microaggressions.
• 22:26
  And
• 22:27
  there's
• 22:27
  been
• 22:27
  cases
• 22:27
  where
• 22:28
  my
• 22:28
  white
• 22:29
  counterparts,
• 22:30
  they
• 22:30
  acknowledge,
• 22:31
  oh,
• 22:31
  I
• 22:32
  just
• 22:32
  did
• 22:32
  a
• 22:32
  microaggression,
• 22:32
  I'm
• 22:33
  sorry,
• 22:33
  I
• 22:33
  apologize
• 22:33
  for
• 22:34
  that.
• 22:34
  And
• 22:35
  they're
• 22:35
  open
• 22:35
  minded.
• 22:36
  They
• 22:36
  want
• 22:36
  to
• 22:36
  learn
• 22:37
  how
• 22:37
  can
• 22:37
  I
• 22:37
  fix
• 22:37
  this.
• 22:38
  What
• 22:38
  do
• 22:38
  I
• 22:38
  need
• 22:38
  to
• 22:39
  do
• 22:39
  on
• 22:39
  my
• 22:39
  part
• 22:39
  to
• 22:40
  change
• 22:40
  this
• 22:41
  so
• 22:41
  I
• 22:41
  can
• 22:42
  help
• 22:42
  others
• 22:42
  not
• 22:43
  do
• 22:43
  it?
• 22:43
  And
• 22:43
  I
• 22:44
  learned
• 22:44
  in
• 22:44
  Dr.
• 22:44
  Monroe's
• 22:45
  class
• 22:45
  there's
• 22:45
  a
• 22:46
  difference
• 22:46
  between
• 22:46
  an
• 22:46
  ally
• 22:47
  and
• 22:47
  authentic
• 22:47
  ally.
• 22:49
  And
• 22:50
  ever
• 22:50
  since
• 22:50
  she
• 22:50
  told
• 22:51
  me
• 22:51
  that,
• 22:51
  it
• 22:52
  stuck.
• 22:53
  And
• 22:54
  as
• 22:54
  I've
• 22:55
  navigated
• 22:55
  throughout
• 22:56
  my
• 22:56
  higher
• 22:56
  education
• 22:57
  career,
• 22:57
  from
• 22:57
  bachelor's
• 22:58
  to
• 22:58
  now,
• 22:58
  my
• 22:58
  doctoral
• 22:59
  program,
• 23:00
  it's
• 23:00
  easy
• 23:01
  to,
• 23:01
  like,
• 23:01
  pinpoint
• 23:02
  who
• 23:02
  those
• 23:02
  authentic
• 23:03
  allies
• 23:03
  are,
• 23:03
  because
• 23:04
  they
• 23:04
  want
• 23:04
  to
• 23:04
  learn,
• 23:04
  they
• 23:05
  want
• 23:05
  to
• 23:05
  change,
• 23:05
  not
• 23:06
  just
• 23:06
  for
• 23:06
  themselves,
• 23:06
  but
• 23:07
  help
• 23:07
  others
• 23:07
  change.
• 23:08
  And
• 23:08
  they're
• 23:08
  going
• 23:08
  to
• 23:09
  stick
• 23:09
  there
• 23:09
  throughout
• 23:10
  the
• 23:10
  hard
• 23:10
  times,
• 23:11
  no
• 23:11
  matter
• 23:11
  what's
• 23:12
  going
• 23:12
  on.
• 23:12
  But
• 23:12
  that
• 23:12
  regular
• 23:13
  ally,
• 23:14
  when
• 23:14
  the
• 23:14
  going
• 23:14
  gets
• 23:15
  tough,
• 23:15
  they
• 23:15
  going.
• 23:15
  They're
• 23:16
  going
• 23:16
  to
• 23:16
  hit
• 23:16
  the
• 23:16
  road.
• 23:17
  Christian,
• 23:17
  what
• 23:18
  does
• 23:18
  it
• 23:18
  mean
• 23:18
  to
• 23:18
  be
• 23:18
  seen
• 23:18
  and
• 23:19
  heard?
• 23:20
  For
• 23:21
  me,
• 23:22
  you
• 23:22
  know,
• 23:22
  like
• 23:23
  Jamar
• 23:23
  said,
• 23:24
  just,
• 23:24
  you
• 23:24
  know,
• 23:25
  I
• 23:25
  guess
• 23:25
  I'll
• 23:26
  go
• 23:26
  based
• 23:27
  off
• 23:28
  heard.
• 23:30
  You
• 23:30
  know,
• 23:31
  coming
• 23:31
  from
• 23:31
  a
• 23:31
  background
• 23:32
  of.
• 23:33
  I
• 23:34
  don't.
• 23:34
  I'm
• 23:34
  not
• 23:34
  sure
• 23:34
  if
• 23:34
  you
• 23:35
  guys
• 23:35
  are
• 23:36
  aware
• 23:36
  of
• 23:37
  Delsey.
• 23:38
  Do
• 23:38
  you
• 23:38
  know
• 23:38
  where
• 23:39
  Delsey
• 23:39
  is
• 23:41
  in
• 23:41
  Franklinville?
• 23:42
  No.
• 23:42
  Well,
• 23:47
  It's
• 23:47
  more
• 23:47
  of
• 23:48
  a
• 23:48
  white
• 23:48
  background
• 23:49
  school.
• 23:49
  Not
• 23:49
  to
• 23:49
  offend
• 23:50
  anybody,
• 23:50
  but
• 23:53
  as
• 23:53
  a
• 23:54
  black
• 23:55
  or
• 23:55
  an
• 23:55
  African
• 23:56
  American
• 23:57
  teenager,
• 23:58
  I
• 23:58
  was
• 23:59
  going
• 23:59
  there,
• 23:59
  and
• 24:02
  again,
• 24:02
  I
• 24:02
  said
• 24:03
  I
• 24:03
  had
• 24:03
  support
• 24:03
  and
• 24:04
  stuff
• 24:04
  like
• 24:04
  that.
• 24:06
  I
• 24:06
  believe
• 24:06
  feeling
• 24:07
  heard
• 24:07
  is
• 24:08
  more
• 24:08
  of,
• 24:08
  you
• 24:09
  know,
• 24:09
  taking
• 24:09
  your
• 24:10
  time
• 24:10
  out
• 24:10
  and
• 24:11
  just,
• 24:12
  you
• 24:12
  know,
• 24:12
  just
• 24:12
  giving
• 24:13
  your
• 24:13
  ear
• 24:13
  to
• 24:13
  somebody
• 24:14
  and
• 24:14
  just
• 24:14
  having
• 24:15
  that.
• 24:16
  Just
• 24:16
  having,
• 24:17
  you
• 24:17
  know,
• 24:17
  just
• 24:17
  a
• 24:18
  little
• 24:18
  conversation
• 24:18
  with
• 24:19
  somebody
• 24:19
  or,
• 24:20
  you
• 24:20
  know,
• 24:20
  just,
• 24:20
  you
• 24:21
  know,
• 24:21
  acknowledging
• 24:22
  someone's
• 24:22
  existence
• 24:23
  and
• 24:23
  not
• 24:24
  putting
• 24:24
  aside
• 24:24
  that
• 24:25
  they
• 24:25
  may
• 24:25
  be
• 24:25
  going
• 24:26
  through
• 24:26
  something
• 24:26
  or,
• 24:27
  you
• 24:27
  know,
• 24:27
  they
• 24:28
  may
• 24:28
  be
• 24:28
  feeling
• 24:28
  left
• 24:29
  out
• 24:29
  because,
• 24:30
  you
• 24:30
  know,
• 24:30
  they're
• 24:30
  not
• 24:31
  around
• 24:31
  people
• 24:33
  of,
• 24:33
  you
• 24:33
  know,
• 24:34
  their,
• 24:35
  you
• 24:35
  know,
• 24:36
  their
• 24:36
  color
• 24:36
  and
• 24:37
  stuff
• 24:37
  like
• 24:37
  that.
• 24:38
  So,
• 24:38
  you
• 24:39
  know,
• 24:39
  in
• 24:39
  general,
• 24:40
  just
• 24:40
  feeling
• 24:41
  heard,
• 24:41
  just,
• 24:42
  you
• 24:42
  know,
• 24:42
  acknowledging
• 24:43
  someone
• 24:44
  exists.
• 24:44
  And,
• 24:45
  you
• 24:45
  know,
• 24:45
  don't
• 24:45
  try
• 24:46
  to
• 24:46
  ignore
• 24:46
  them
• 24:46
  or
• 24:47
  anything
• 24:47
  like
• 24:47
  that.
• 24:48
  It
• 24:48
  just
• 24:48
  makes
• 24:49
  it
• 24:49
  worse.
• 24:50
  And
• 24:50
  I'm
• 24:51
  going
• 24:51
  to
• 24:51
  argue
• 24:51
  that
• 24:51
  should.
• 24:52
  That's
• 24:52
  seemingly
• 24:53
  a
• 24:53
  very
• 24:53
  low
• 24:53
  bar,
• 24:54
  right?
• 24:54
  Because
• 24:54
  we
• 24:55
  should
• 24:55
  expect.
• 24:56
  We
• 24:57
  should
• 24:57
  expect
• 24:58
  coming
• 24:58
  to
• 24:58
  school,
• 24:59
  Whether
• 24:59
  it's
• 24:59
  coming
• 25:00
  K12,
• 25:01
  higher
• 25:01
  ed,
• 25:02
  we
• 25:02
  should
• 25:02
  expect
• 25:04
  to
• 25:04
  be
• 25:04
  seen
• 25:04
  and
• 25:05
  heard.
• 25:06
  That
• 25:06
  should
• 25:06
  be
• 25:07
  right.
• 25:08
  That
• 25:08
  should
• 25:08
  be
• 25:09
  an
• 25:09
  expectation
• 25:11
  that
• 25:11
  we
• 25:11
  have
• 25:12
  as
• 25:12
  students,
• 25:13
  as
• 25:13
  teachers,
• 25:15
  as
• 25:15
  leaders,
• 25:16
  that
• 25:16
  we
• 25:16
  come
• 25:16
  into
• 25:17
  a
• 25:17
  space
• 25:17
  where
• 25:17
  we're
• 25:17
  seen
• 25:18
  and
• 25:18
  heard.
• 25:19
  So
• 25:19
  let's
• 25:20
  talk
• 25:20
  about
• 25:21
  education
• 25:21
  for
• 25:22
  a
• 25:22
  few
• 25:22
  minutes.
• 25:23
  You
• 25:24
  are
• 25:24
  consumers,
• 25:25
  right?
• 25:26
  You
• 25:26
  were
• 25:26
  invited
• 25:26
  here
• 25:26
  because
• 25:27
  you
• 25:27
  have
• 25:27
  a
• 25:27
  voice.
• 25:28
  You
• 25:28
  were
• 25:29
  invited
• 25:29
  here
• 25:29
  because
• 25:29
  we
• 25:30
  wanted
• 25:30
  you
• 25:30
  to
• 25:30
  be
• 25:30
  seen.
• 25:31
  And
• 25:31
  we're
• 25:32
  honored
• 25:32
  to
• 25:32
  have
• 25:33
  you
• 25:33
  here,
• 25:33
  all
• 25:33
  three
• 25:34
  of
• 25:34
  you.
• 25:36
  It's
• 25:37
  a
• 25:37
  privilege.
• 25:39
  But
• 25:39
  this
• 25:39
  podcast
• 25:40
  is
• 25:40
  about
• 25:41
  changing
• 25:41
  the
• 25:41
  educational
• 25:42
  landscape,
• 25:43
  right?
• 25:43
  It's
• 25:44
  about
• 25:44
  engaging
• 25:46
  with
• 25:47
  Students
• 25:47
  and
• 25:47
  teachers
• 25:48
  and
• 25:48
  leaders
• 25:48
  and
• 25:49
  everybody
• 25:49
  and
• 25:49
  parents
• 25:50
  and
• 25:50
  families
• 25:50
  and
• 25:50
  community
• 25:51
  and
• 25:51
  everybody
• 25:51
  to
• 25:52
  change
• 25:53
  what
• 25:53
  each
• 25:54
  student
• 25:54
  experiences
• 25:55
  on
• 25:56
  a
• 25:56
  daily
• 25:57
  basis
• 25:57
  for
• 25:57
  the
• 25:58
  better.
• 25:58
  For
• 25:59
  the
• 25:59
  better,
• 25:59
  Right?
• 26:00
  That
• 26:00
  goes
• 26:00
  without
• 26:00
  saying.
• 26:01
  Right?
• 26:01
  So
• 26:04
  if
• 26:04
  you
• 26:04
  think
• 26:04
  about
• 26:05
  this
• 26:05
  thing,
• 26:06
  this
• 26:07
  big
• 26:07
  thing
• 26:07
  called
• 26:08
  the
• 26:08
  education
• 26:09
  K12,
• 26:10
  higher
• 26:10
  ed,
• 26:13
  wherever
• 26:13
  your
• 26:14
  thoughts
• 26:14
  land.
• 26:15
  But
• 26:16
  if
• 26:16
  you
• 26:16
  could
• 26:17
  change
• 26:17
  something,
• 26:18
  redesign
• 26:18
  something
• 26:19
  about
• 26:19
  school,
• 26:20
  you
• 26:21
  had
• 26:21
  the
• 26:21
  power
• 26:21
  to
• 26:21
  change
• 26:21
  it
• 26:22
  for
• 26:22
  future
• 26:23
  students.
• 26:24
  What
• 26:24
  would
• 26:24
  you
• 26:24
  change?
• 26:26
  What
• 26:27
  would
• 26:27
  you
• 26:27
  change
• 26:28
  for
• 26:28
  future
• 26:28
  generations
• 26:29
  of
• 26:30
  students
• 26:30
  who
• 26:31
  are
• 26:31
  like
• 26:31
  you
• 26:32
  and
• 26:32
  who
• 26:32
  are
• 26:32
  not
• 26:32
  like
• 26:33
  you?
• 26:34
  Access
• 26:34
  to
• 26:34
  administration.
• 26:36
  Because
• 26:36
  administrators,
• 26:38
  they're
• 26:38
  leading
• 26:38
  the
• 26:38
  school,
• 26:39
  they're
• 26:39
  leading
• 26:39
  the
• 26:40
  district.
• 26:41
  And
• 26:42
  everything
• 26:42
  comes
• 26:42
  from
• 26:42
  the
• 26:43
  top
• 26:43
  to
• 26:43
  the
• 26:43
  bottom.
• 26:44
  And
• 26:45
  if
• 26:45
  administrators
• 26:46
  would
• 26:47
  just
• 26:47
  give
• 26:48
  teachers
• 26:49
  and
• 26:49
  professors
• 26:49
  grace
• 26:50
  and
• 26:51
  not
• 26:52
  scare
• 26:53
  them
• 26:53
  in
• 26:53
  the
• 26:54
  way
• 26:54
  of,
• 26:54
  like,
• 26:55
  deviating
• 26:56
  from
• 26:56
  the
• 26:56
  written
• 26:57
  agenda.
• 26:58
  Because
• 26:58
  sometimes
• 26:59
  teachers,
• 27:00
  yeah,
• 27:01
  they
• 27:01
  have
• 27:01
  their
• 27:02
  set
• 27:02
  curriculum
• 27:03
  and
• 27:03
  things
• 27:03
  like
• 27:03
  that,
• 27:04
  but
• 27:05
  every
• 27:05
  classroom
• 27:06
  is
• 27:06
  different.
• 27:07
  The
• 27:07
  curriculum
• 27:07
  that's
• 27:07
  written
• 27:08
  across
• 27:08
  the
• 27:08
  board
• 27:09
  is
• 27:09
  not
• 27:09
  going
• 27:09
  to
• 27:09
  work
• 27:09
  for
• 27:10
  that
• 27:10
  one
• 27:10
  classroom.
• 27:11
  Some
• 27:11
  teachers
• 27:12
  know
• 27:12
  their
• 27:12
  classrooms
• 27:13
  better
• 27:13
  than
• 27:14
  the
• 27:14
  administrators.
• 27:15
  Sometimes
• 27:16
  they
• 27:16
  have
• 27:16
  to.
• 27:17
  They'll
• 27:17
  be
• 27:17
  like,
• 27:18
  oh,
• 27:18
  this
• 27:18
  is
• 27:18
  not
• 27:18
  going
• 27:19
  to
• 27:19
  work
• 27:19
  for
• 27:19
  my
• 27:19
  class.
• 27:19
  I
• 27:20
  need
• 27:20
  to
• 27:20
  deviate
• 27:20
  this
• 27:21
  little
• 27:21
  situation
• 27:22
  in
• 27:22
  to
• 27:23
  better
• 27:23
  help
• 27:24
  my
• 27:24
  students.
• 27:25
  Not
• 27:25
  just
• 27:25
  the
• 27:25
  white
• 27:25
  students,
• 27:26
  but
• 27:26
  even
• 27:26
  the
• 27:26
  students
• 27:26
  of
• 27:26
  color.
• 27:27
  I'm
• 27:27
  going
• 27:27
  to
• 27:27
  do
• 27:28
  this
• 27:28
  instead
• 27:28
  of
• 27:28
  doing
• 27:28
  what
• 27:29
  the
• 27:29
  administration
• 27:29
  said.
• 27:30
  But
• 27:30
  a
• 27:30
  lot
• 27:30
  of
• 27:30
  teachers
• 27:31
  and
• 27:31
  faculty,
• 27:32
  they're
• 27:32
  scared
• 27:32
  because
• 27:33
  they
• 27:33
  need
• 27:33
  their
• 27:34
  job.
• 27:35
  So
• 27:35
  I
• 27:35
  feel
• 27:35
  like
• 27:36
  empathy
• 27:37
  on
• 27:37
  that
• 27:37
  end
• 27:37
  too.
• 27:38
  Empathy
• 27:39
  for
• 27:39
  the
• 27:39
  teachers
• 27:39
  from
• 27:40
  administration.
• 27:41
  So
• 27:41
  that's
• 27:42
  what
• 27:42
  I'll
• 27:42
  say.
• 27:42
  I
• 27:43
  have
• 27:43
  a
• 27:43
  comment,
• 27:43
  but
• 27:43
  I'm
• 27:44
  going
• 27:44
  to
• 27:44
  hold
• 27:44
  it
• 27:44
  for
• 27:44
  just
• 27:44
  a
• 27:45
  moment
• 27:47
  and
• 27:48
  Christian,
• 27:49
  and
• 27:49
  then
• 27:49
  I
• 27:49
  will
• 27:49
  come
• 27:49
  back
• 27:50
  to
• 27:50
  my
• 27:50
  comment.
• 27:50
  Jamar.
• 27:51
  Christian,
• 27:52
  what
• 27:53
  would
• 27:53
  you
• 27:53
  change
• 27:54
  if
• 27:54
  you
• 27:54
  could,
• 27:55
  if
• 27:56
  I
• 27:56
  could
• 27:56
  change
• 27:57
  anything,
• 27:59
  I'd
• 28:00
  probably
• 28:00
  say
• 28:02
  let
• 28:02
  students
• 28:02
  be
• 28:03
  heard
• 28:03
  a
• 28:03
  little
• 28:03
  bit
• 28:04
  more
• 28:04
  and
• 28:06
  maybe
• 28:06
  improving
• 28:07
  counseling
• 28:07
  over
• 28:08
  in
• 28:08
  schools.
• 28:09
  Because
• 28:11
  there's
• 28:11
  a
• 28:11
  lot
• 28:11
  of
• 28:11
  kids
• 28:12
  going
• 28:12
  through
• 28:12
  mental
• 28:12
  health
• 28:13
  and
• 28:13
  they,
• 28:14
  they
• 28:14
  try
• 28:14
  to
• 28:14
  put
• 28:15
  it
• 28:15
  off
• 28:15
  to
• 28:15
  the
• 28:15
  side
• 28:16
  like
• 28:17
  Ms.
• 28:17
  Carrie
• 28:18
  said
• 28:18
  and
• 28:18
  stuff.
• 28:20
  Mental
• 28:20
  health
• 28:21
  is.
• 28:21
  Mental
• 28:21
  health
• 28:22
  is
• 28:22
  real.
• 28:22
  And
• 28:23
  when
• 28:23
  you're
• 28:23
  trying
• 28:23
  to
• 28:23
  prioritize
• 28:24
  school
• 28:25
  over
• 28:26
  your
• 28:26
  own
• 28:26
  health,
• 28:27
  it.
• 28:27
  It
• 28:28
  can
• 28:28
  really
• 28:28
  drain.
• 28:29
  It
• 28:29
  can
• 28:30
  really
• 28:30
  drain
• 28:30
  you.
• 28:31
  And,
• 28:32
  and
• 28:32
  again,
• 28:33
  I
• 28:33
  mean,
• 28:34
  so
• 28:35
  this
• 28:35
  is
• 28:36
  to
• 28:36
  my
• 28:36
  listeners,
• 28:37
  right?
• 28:37
  To
• 28:37
  our
• 28:37
  listeners,
• 28:37
  this
• 28:38
  is
• 28:38
  an
• 28:38
  unscripted.
• 28:39
  An
• 28:39
  unscripted
• 28:40
  po.
• 28:41
  We
• 28:41
  did
• 28:41
  not
• 28:41
  plan
• 28:42
  this.
• 28:42
  But
• 28:42
  what
• 28:43
  you're
• 28:43
  hearing,
• 28:43
  right,
• 28:44
  what
• 28:44
  you're
• 28:44
  hearing
• 28:45
  is
• 28:45
  Christian,
• 28:46
  Carrie
• 28:47
  and
• 28:47
  Jamar
• 28:47
  all
• 28:48
  talking
• 28:48
  about
• 28:48
  the
• 28:49
  need
• 28:49
  not
• 28:49
  to
• 28:49
  feel
• 28:50
  herded,
• 28:51
  right?
• 28:51
  This
• 28:51
  is
• 28:52
  about
• 28:52
  being
• 28:53
  able
• 28:53
  to
• 28:53
  jump
• 28:54
  away
• 28:54
  from,
• 28:56
  jump
• 28:57
  away
• 28:57
  from
• 28:57
  the
• 28:58
  pacing
• 28:58
  guide
• 28:59
  and
• 28:59
  this
• 28:59
  transactional
• 29:01
  hurting
• 29:01
  nature
• 29:02
  of
• 29:02
  school.
• 29:02
  That's
• 29:02
  what
• 29:02
  we
• 29:03
  call
• 29:03
  it,
• 29:03
  right?
• 29:04
  That's
• 29:04
  what
• 29:04
  we've
• 29:04
  been
• 29:04
  talking
• 29:04
  about
• 29:05
  for
• 29:05
  seasons.
• 29:06
  Right.
• 29:06
  And
• 29:06
  yet
• 29:07
  what
• 29:07
  without,
• 29:08
  you
• 29:08
  know,
• 29:09
  without
• 29:09
  mentioning
• 29:10
  that
• 29:11
  all
• 29:11
  three
• 29:11
  of
• 29:11
  them
• 29:12
  said
• 29:13
  stop.
• 29:14
  Right,
• 29:15
  Stop.
• 29:16
  Can
• 29:17
  we
• 29:17
  please
• 29:17
  just
• 29:18
  pause
• 29:18
  some,
• 29:18
  you
• 29:19
  know,
• 29:19
  and
• 29:19
  acknowledge
• 29:20
  that
• 29:20
  we
• 29:20
  are
• 29:21
  human
• 29:21
  beings
• 29:21
  with
• 29:22
  lives,
• 29:22
  with
• 29:22
  needs,
• 29:23
  with
• 29:24
  mental
• 29:24
  health
• 29:24
  needs,
• 29:24
  with
• 29:25
  physical
• 29:25
  needs,
• 29:25
  with
• 29:25
  social
• 29:26
  needs,
• 29:26
  with,
• 29:26
  you
• 29:27
  know,
• 29:27
  whatever.
• 29:27
  We
• 29:27
  need
• 29:28
  to
• 29:28
  be
• 29:28
  seen,
• 29:28
  we
• 29:28
  need
• 29:29
  to
• 29:29
  be
• 29:29
  heard.
• 29:29
  We
• 29:30
  need
• 29:30
  time.
• 29:30
  I
• 29:31
  mean,
• 29:31
  you
• 29:31
  know,
• 29:32
  wow,
• 29:33
  right?
• 29:34
  You've
• 29:34
  all
• 29:34
  said
• 29:34
  it
• 29:34
  in
• 29:35
  beautiful
• 29:35
  ways,
• 29:36
  Right.
• 29:36
  And
• 29:37
  it
• 29:37
  is
• 29:37
  students
• 29:38
  who
• 29:38
  are
• 29:38
  also
• 29:39
  telling
• 29:39
  us
• 29:40
  what
• 29:40
  the
• 29:40
  negative
• 29:41
  impact
• 29:41
  is
• 29:42
  of
• 29:42
  all
• 29:42
  of
• 29:42
  this
• 29:43
  transactional,
• 29:44
  hurting
• 29:44
  nature
• 29:45
  of
• 29:45
  schooling,
• 29:46
  whether
• 29:46
  that
• 29:46
  is
• 29:47
  in
• 29:47
  K12
• 29:47
  or
• 29:48
  higher
• 29:48
  ed.
• 29:50
  As
• 29:50
  we
• 29:51
  bring
• 29:52
  this
• 29:52
  conversation
• 29:52
  to
• 29:53
  a
• 29:53
  close,
• 29:53
  I
• 29:54
  have
• 29:54
  one
• 29:54
  last
• 29:54
  question
• 29:56
  that
• 29:56
  I'd
• 29:57
  like
• 29:57
  each
• 29:57
  of
• 29:57
  you
• 29:57
  to
• 29:58
  address,
• 29:58
  if
• 29:59
  you
• 29:59
  would.
• 30:00
  Many
• 30:00
  of
• 30:01
  our
• 30:01
  listeners,
• 30:02
  not
• 30:02
  all,
• 30:03
  but
• 30:03
  many
• 30:03
  of
• 30:03
  our
• 30:04
  listeners
• 30:04
  are
• 30:05
  teachers.
• 30:07
  Teachers
• 30:07
  in
• 30:07
  higher
• 30:07
  ed.
• 30:08
  Teachers
• 30:08
  in
• 30:09
  K12.
• 30:10
  If
• 30:10
  you
• 30:10
  could
• 30:10
  speak
• 30:11
  directly
• 30:11
  to
• 30:11
  them,
• 30:12
  which
• 30:12
  you
• 30:12
  can,
• 30:12
  because
• 30:13
  we're
• 30:13
  going
• 30:13
  to
• 30:13
  give
• 30:13
  you
• 30:13
  the
• 30:14
  microphone
• 30:14
  in
• 30:14
  just
• 30:15
  a
• 30:15
  moment.
• 30:15
  Right.
• 30:17
  What's
• 30:17
  a
• 30:17
  message
• 30:18
  you
• 30:18
  have
• 30:19
  for
• 30:19
  teachers
• 30:20
  who
• 30:20
  may
• 30:21
  be
• 30:21
  listening
• 30:22
  to
• 30:22
  this
• 30:22
  podcast?
• 30:24
  Jamar,
• 30:26
  I'll
• 30:26
  say
• 30:26
  thank
• 30:27
  you
• 30:27
  because
• 30:28
  being
• 30:28
  an
• 30:29
  educator
• 30:29
  is
• 30:29
  not
• 30:29
  an
• 30:30
  easy
• 30:30
  job
• 30:31
  and
• 30:31
  it's
• 30:31
  not
• 30:31
  something
• 30:32
  that
• 30:33
  you
• 30:33
  just
• 30:34
  think
• 30:34
  about,
• 30:35
  oh,
• 30:35
  I
• 30:35
  want
• 30:35
  to
• 30:35
  go
• 30:35
  into
• 30:35
  this
• 30:36
  field.
• 30:36
  Educators,
• 30:37
  if
• 30:37
  you're
• 30:37
  in
• 30:38
  education,
• 30:38
  you're
• 30:39
  born
• 30:39
  to
• 30:39
  be
• 30:39
  in
• 30:39
  education,
• 30:40
  you
• 30:40
  were
• 30:41
  made
• 30:41
  to
• 30:41
  be
• 30:41
  in
• 30:42
  education
• 30:42
  because
• 30:42
  that's
• 30:43
  a
• 30:43
  different
• 30:43
  type
• 30:43
  of
• 30:43
  leadership,
• 30:45
  especially
• 30:46
  those
• 30:46
  in
• 30:47
  K12.
• 30:48
  You're
• 30:49
  laying
• 30:49
  the
• 30:50
  foundation.
• 30:50
  You're
• 30:51
  building
• 30:51
  those
• 30:51
  students
• 30:52
  up.
• 30:52
  If
• 30:53
  they
• 30:53
  plan
• 30:53
  on
• 30:53
  going
• 30:53
  into
• 30:54
  higher
• 30:54
  education,
• 30:55
  you're
• 30:55
  preparing
• 30:56
  them
• 30:56
  for
• 30:56
  that,
• 30:56
  but
• 30:56
  you're
• 30:57
  preparing
• 30:57
  them
• 30:57
  for
• 30:57
  the
• 30:57
  world.
• 30:58
  So
• 30:58
  I
• 30:59
  just
• 30:59
  say
• 30:59
  thank
• 30:59
  you
• 31:00
  and
• 31:00
  don't
• 31:00
  forget
• 31:00
  to
• 31:01
  give
• 31:01
  yourself
• 31:01
  grace.
• 31:02
  Oh,
• 31:02
  I'm
• 31:02
  just
• 31:02
  going
• 31:03
  to
• 31:03
  repeat
• 31:03
  that
• 31:03
  your
• 31:04
  presence
• 31:04
  goes
• 31:05
  beyond
• 31:07
  academics.
• 31:09
  Christian,
• 31:10
  what
• 31:10
  would
• 31:11
  you
• 31:11
  like
• 31:11
  to
• 31:11
  say
• 31:11
  to
• 31:11
  teachers
• 31:12
  listening
• 31:12
  to
• 31:12
  this
• 31:13
  podcast
• 31:14
  again?
• 31:14
  Follow
• 31:15
  up
• 31:15
  with
• 31:15
  Jamar
• 31:16
  and
• 31:16
  miss
• 31:17
  Elizabeth.
• 31:19
  Thank
• 31:19
  you.
• 31:20
  Some
• 31:21
  teachers,
• 31:21
  believe
• 31:22
  it
• 31:22
  or
• 31:22
  not,
• 31:23
  they
• 31:23
  may
• 31:23
  not
• 31:23
  know
• 31:23
  it.
• 31:24
  The.
• 31:24
  They
• 31:24
  could
• 31:25
  be
• 31:26
  a
• 31:26
  kid's
• 31:27
  best
• 31:27
  friend
• 31:27
  or
• 31:27
  kid's
• 31:28
  first
• 31:28
  best
• 31:28
  friend
• 31:29
  and
• 31:29
  stuff
• 31:29
  like
• 31:29
  that.
• 31:30
  So,
• 31:30
  you
• 31:31
  know,
• 31:31
  taking
• 31:31
  the
• 31:31
  time
• 31:32
  out
• 31:32
  again,
• 31:32
  I
• 31:33
  know
• 31:33
  I'm
• 31:33
  repetitive,
• 31:34
  but
• 31:34
  taking
• 31:35
  the
• 31:35
  time
• 31:35
  out
• 31:35
  to
• 31:35
  actually
• 31:36
  listen
• 31:36
  to
• 31:36
  the
• 31:36
  child
• 31:37
  and,
• 31:37
  you
• 31:38
  know,
• 31:39
  and
• 31:39
  hearing
• 31:40
  them
• 31:40
  out,
• 31:40
  because
• 31:41
  it
• 31:41
  might
• 31:41
  not
• 31:41
  be
• 31:41
  the,
• 31:42
  you
• 31:42
  know,
• 31:43
  the
• 31:43
  best
• 31:43
  place
• 31:44
  at
• 31:44
  home
• 31:44
  for
• 31:45
  that
• 31:45
  child
• 31:45
  because,
• 31:46
  you
• 31:46
  know,
• 31:47
  some,
• 31:48
  every,
• 31:48
  every
• 31:49
  household
• 31:49
  is
• 31:49
  different.
• 31:50
  Every
• 31:50
  household
• 31:50
  is,
• 31:51
  you
• 31:51
  know,
• 31:52
  every
• 31:52
  household
• 31:52
  is,
• 31:53
  every
• 31:53
  child
• 31:54
  is
• 31:54
  brought
• 31:54
  up
• 31:54
  differently
• 31:55
  from,
• 31:56
  you
• 31:56
  know,
• 31:56
  the
• 31:57
  next
• 31:57
  kid
• 31:57
  next
• 31:57
  door.
• 31:58
  So
• 32:00
  just
• 32:01
  realizing
• 32:01
  that
• 32:02
  they
• 32:02
  play
• 32:03
  such
• 32:03
  a
• 32:03
  huge
• 32:03
  part
• 32:05
  when
• 32:06
  it
• 32:06
  comes
• 32:06
  to
• 32:06
  a
• 32:07
  child
• 32:08
  becoming
• 32:09
  a
• 32:09
  grown
• 32:09
  up
• 32:09
  and
• 32:10
  getting
• 32:10
  ready
• 32:11
  to
• 32:11
  explore
• 32:12
  the
• 32:12
  world,
• 32:13
  you
• 32:13
  know,
• 32:14
  thank
• 32:14
  you.
• 32:15
  Thank
• 32:15
  you
• 32:15
  for
• 32:16
  the
• 32:16
  support.
• 32:17
  And
• 32:18
  again,
• 32:18
  like
• 32:18
  they
• 32:19
  said,
• 32:19
  give
• 32:20
  yourself
• 32:20
  some
• 32:20
  grace.
• 32:21
  So
• 32:21
  I'm
• 32:21
  going
• 32:22
  to
• 32:22
  ask
• 32:22
  the
• 32:22
  Wheelhouse
• 32:23
  team
• 32:23
  a
• 32:23
  question
• 32:24
  right?
• 32:24
  Just
• 32:25
  they've
• 32:25
  been
• 32:25
  listening
• 32:26
  to
• 32:27
  and
• 32:27
  Christian
• 32:27
  and
• 32:28
  Carrie,
• 32:28
  Elizabeth
• 32:28
  and
• 32:28
  Jamar,
• 32:29
  thank
• 32:29
  you
• 32:29
  so
• 32:29
  much.
• 32:30
  And
• 32:31
  we're
• 32:31
  so
• 32:32
  thrilled
• 32:32
  that
• 32:32
  you
• 32:32
  are
• 32:33
  here.
• 32:34
  Kathy,
• 32:35
  what'd
• 32:35
  you
• 32:35
  hear
• 32:36
  today?
• 32:38
  I
• 32:38
  heard
• 32:38
  from
• 32:39
  three
• 32:40
  beautiful,
• 32:42
  brilliant
• 32:43
  humans
• 32:45
  that
• 32:45
  there's
• 32:46
  just
• 32:46
  such
• 32:46
  a
• 32:46
  need
• 32:47
  for
• 32:47
  the
• 32:48
  humanization
• 32:50
  of
• 32:50
  schools.
• 32:52
  I
• 32:52
  heard
• 32:53
  that
• 32:54
  we
• 32:54
  need
• 32:55
  to
• 32:56
  be
• 32:56
  heard
• 32:57
  and
• 32:57
  not
• 32:58
  be
• 32:59
  herded
• 33:01
  in
• 33:02
  the
• 33:02
  world
• 33:02
  of
• 33:02
  education
• 33:03
  and
• 33:05
  their
• 33:06
  presence.
• 33:07
  Educator.
• 33:08
  Presence
• 33:10
  matters.
• 33:11
  Michael,
• 33:11
  what'd
• 33:12
  you
• 33:12
  hear?
• 33:12
  I
• 33:12
  heard
• 33:13
  so
• 33:13
  many
• 33:13
  things
• 33:14
  that
• 33:14
  were
• 33:14
  very
• 33:15
  powerful
• 33:16
  and
• 33:16
  affirming.
• 33:17
  And
• 33:19
  I
• 33:19
  want
• 33:19
  to
• 33:20
  respond
• 33:20
  this
• 33:20
  moment
• 33:21
  as
• 33:21
  an
• 33:21
  educator
• 33:22
  who
• 33:22
  happens
• 33:23
  to
• 33:23
  be
• 33:23
  white.
• 33:25
  It
• 33:25
  affirms
• 33:26
  for
• 33:26
  me
• 33:26
  again
• 33:28
  the
• 33:28
  importance
• 33:30
  of
• 33:31
  earning
• 33:31
  trust,
• 33:32
  taking
• 33:33
  time
• 33:34
  to
• 33:35
  listen
• 33:36
  and
• 33:36
  then
• 33:38
  to
• 33:38
  stand
• 33:39
  with
• 33:39
  the
• 33:40
  young
• 33:40
  learner
• 33:40
  I'm
• 33:41
  privileged
• 33:41
  to
• 33:41
  work
• 33:42
  with
• 33:43
  and
• 33:44
  in
• 33:44
  a
• 33:45
  timely
• 33:45
  moment,
• 33:46
  push
• 33:47
  that
• 33:47
  individual
• 33:49
  to
• 33:49
  begin
• 33:49
  seeing
• 33:50
  what
• 33:50
  I
• 33:50
  see,
• 33:51
  believing
• 33:52
  what
• 33:52
  I
• 33:52
  have
• 33:53
  evidence
• 33:53
  to
• 33:54
  believe.
• 33:54
  And
• 33:55
  I
• 33:55
  heard
• 33:55
  it
• 33:56
  in
• 33:56
  each
• 33:56
  separate
• 33:57
  case,
• 33:58
  whether
• 33:58
  it
• 33:58
  was
• 33:59
  in
• 33:59
  high
• 33:59
  school
• 34:00
  with
• 34:00
  you,
• 34:00
  Christian,
• 34:02
  where
• 34:02
  people
• 34:03
  leaned
• 34:03
  in
• 34:04
  because
• 34:04
  they
• 34:04
  felt
• 34:05
  like
• 34:06
  you
• 34:07
  could
• 34:07
  do
• 34:07
  with
• 34:07
  the
• 34:07
  shoulder
• 34:08
  to
• 34:09
  lean
• 34:09
  against,
• 34:09
  to
• 34:10
  shore
• 34:10
  you
• 34:10
  up
• 34:10
  in
• 34:11
  moments
• 34:11
  where,
• 34:12
  you
• 34:13
  know,
• 34:13
  you
• 34:13
  were
• 34:14
  feeling
• 34:15
  down
• 34:16
  and
• 34:17
  disconnected.
• 34:18
  And
• 34:18
  the
• 34:19
  difference
• 34:19
  that
• 34:19
  made
• 34:21
  Carrie,
• 34:22
  you
• 34:22
  know,
• 34:23
  your
• 34:24
  story
• 34:24
  is
• 34:24
  filled
• 34:25
  with
• 34:25
  so
• 34:25
  many
• 34:26
  extraordinary
• 34:27
  achievements,
• 34:28
  and
• 34:28
  yet
• 34:29
  it's
• 34:29
  possible
• 34:29
  for
• 34:30
  somebody
• 34:30
  so
• 34:30
  accomplished
• 34:32
  to
• 34:32
  not
• 34:32
  regard
• 34:32
  herself
• 34:33
  that
• 34:33
  way
• 34:34
  until
• 34:34
  somebody
• 34:36
  takes
• 34:36
  that
• 34:36
  time
• 34:38
  to
• 34:38
  say,
• 34:39
  you
• 34:40
  do
• 34:40
  have
• 34:40
  this,
• 34:40
  you've
• 34:40
  got
• 34:41
  this,
• 34:41
  and
• 34:42
  you
• 34:42
  can
• 34:42
  do
• 34:42
  it.
• 34:43
  And
• 34:44
  now
• 34:44
  you're
• 34:44
  a
• 34:44
  person
• 34:45
  who
• 34:46
  is
• 34:46
  ready
• 34:46
  to
• 34:46
  give
• 34:47
  back
• 34:48
  in
• 34:48
  just
• 34:48
  as
• 34:49
  powerful
• 34:49
  and
• 34:49
  even
• 34:50
  more
• 34:50
  powerful
• 34:50
  ways.
• 34:51
  And
• 34:51
  Jamar,
• 34:52
  when
• 34:53
  you
• 34:54
  explain
• 34:54
  your
• 34:55
  name
• 34:55
  as
• 34:55
  an
• 34:55
  ordinary
• 34:56
  black
• 34:56
  name,
• 34:58
  and
• 34:58
  you
• 34:58
  have
• 34:58
  a
• 34:58
  Dr.
• 34:58
  Munro
• 34:59
  push
• 34:59
  you
• 34:59
  on
• 35:00
  that,
• 35:00
  and
• 35:00
  there
• 35:01
  is
• 35:01
  nothing
• 35:01
  ordinary,
• 35:03
  nothing
• 35:03
  ordinary
• 35:04
  about
• 35:04
  you,
• 35:05
  not
• 35:05
  your
• 35:06
  name,
• 35:06
  not
• 35:06
  your
• 35:07
  being,
• 35:07
  not
• 35:07
  your
• 35:07
  potential,
• 35:08
  your
• 35:08
  talent,
• 35:09
  nothing.
• 35:10
  It
• 35:10
  affirms
• 35:11
  for
• 35:11
  me
• 35:12
  the
• 35:12
  important
• 35:13
  role
• 35:13
  we
• 35:14
  as
• 35:14
  educators
• 35:15
  have.
• 35:16
  And
• 35:16
  Jamar,
• 35:16
  you
• 35:17
  said
• 35:17
  it
• 35:17
  so
• 35:17
  well
• 35:18
  that
• 35:18
  when
• 35:18
  we
• 35:19
  as
• 35:19
  educators,
• 35:20
  especially
• 35:20
  those
• 35:21
  of
• 35:21
  us
• 35:21
  who
• 35:21
  are
• 35:21
  white
• 35:21
  educators,
• 35:22
  give
• 35:22
  ourselves
• 35:23
  grace,
• 35:25
  that
• 35:25
  when
• 35:25
  we
• 35:25
  stumble,
• 35:26
  we
• 35:27
  will
• 35:27
  get
• 35:27
  back
• 35:27
  on
• 35:27
  our
• 35:28
  feet.
• 35:29
  We
• 35:29
  will
• 35:30
  know
• 35:30
  better
• 35:31
  so
• 35:31
  that
• 35:31
  we
• 35:31
  can
• 35:32
  do
• 35:32
  better.
• 35:33
  And
• 35:34
  that's
• 35:34
  the
• 35:34
  process.
• 35:36
  So
• 35:37
  thank
• 35:37
  you.
• 35:37
  Thank
• 35:37
  you.
• 35:38
  Thank
• 35:38
  you
• 35:38
  so
• 35:38
  much
• 35:38
  to
• 35:39
  all
• 35:39
  three
• 35:39
  of
• 35:39
  you.
• 35:40
  Alicia,
• 35:41
  what'd
• 35:41
  you
• 35:41
  hear?
• 35:42
  So
• 35:43
  first,
• 35:43
  I
• 35:43
  want
• 35:43
  to
• 35:44
  thank
• 35:44
  Kathy,
• 35:45
  Michael,
• 35:45
  and
• 35:46
  Grant
• 35:46
  for
• 35:46
  the
• 35:46
  eloquent
• 35:47
  conversations
• 35:48
  along
• 35:48
  with
• 35:48
  Jamar,
• 35:49
  Christian
• 35:50
  and
• 35:50
  Carrie.
• 35:51
  I
• 35:51
  was
• 35:52
  listening
• 35:52
  more
• 35:53
  and
• 35:53
  taking
• 35:53
  it
• 35:54
  in
• 35:54
  because
• 35:55
  the
• 35:55
  conversation
• 35:56
  was
• 35:57
  so
• 35:58
  intriguing
• 35:59
  and
• 35:59
  the
• 35:59
  dialogue
• 36:00
  was
• 36:00
  so
• 36:00
  dynamic.
• 36:01
  So
• 36:01
  what
• 36:01
  did
• 36:01
  I
• 36:02
  hear?
• 36:02
  I
• 36:02
  heard
• 36:02
  a
• 36:03
  lot,
• 36:03
  Grant.
• 36:04
  So
• 36:04
  thank
• 36:04
  you
• 36:04
  for
• 36:04
  asking
• 36:05
  me
• 36:05
  that.
• 36:05
  But
• 36:07
  most
• 36:07
  importantly,
• 36:09
  what
• 36:09
  I
• 36:09
  saw
• 36:10
  was
• 36:10
  I
• 36:11
  saw
• 36:12
  as
• 36:12
  Christian,
• 36:13
  Jamar
• 36:13
  and
• 36:14
  Carrie
• 36:15
  articulated
• 36:16
  their
• 36:16
  stories.
• 36:17
  I
• 36:17
  saw
• 36:18
  them
• 36:18
  moving
• 36:18
  from
• 36:18
  agency
• 36:20
  to
• 36:20
  efficacy
• 36:21
  and
• 36:21
  now
• 36:21
  into
• 36:21
  a
• 36:22
  self
• 36:22
  authorship
• 36:23
  stage,
• 36:24
  which
• 36:25
  is
• 36:25
  developmentally
• 36:26
  correct.
• 36:27
  But
• 36:27
  along
• 36:28
  the
• 36:28
  way,
• 36:28
  they
• 36:28
  needed
• 36:29
  support,
• 36:30
  they
• 36:30
  needed
• 36:30
  authentic
• 36:31
  allies,
• 36:32
  right?
• 36:33
  And
• 36:35
  what
• 36:35
  really
• 36:35
  closed
• 36:36
  the
• 36:36
  definite
• 36:37
  gap
• 36:37
  for
• 36:37
  each
• 36:37
  and
• 36:38
  every
• 36:38
  one
• 36:38
  of
• 36:38
  them
• 36:38
  was
• 36:39
  love.
• 36:40
  So
• 36:40
  I
• 36:40
  go
• 36:40
  back
• 36:41
  to
• 36:41
  the
• 36:41
  conversation
• 36:42
  on
• 36:42
  what
• 36:42
  is
• 36:43
  love,
• 36:43
  right?
• 36:44
  And
• 36:45
  it's
• 36:45
  not.
• 36:46
  It's
• 36:46
  not
• 36:46
  that
• 36:47
  intimate
• 36:47
  love,
• 36:48
  right?
• 36:48
  It's
• 36:49
  that
• 36:49
  agape
• 36:50
  love,
• 36:51
  right?
• 36:51
  That
• 36:51
  love
• 36:52
  that
• 36:53
  you
• 36:53
  know
• 36:54
  when
• 36:54
  you
• 36:54
  come
• 36:54
  up
• 36:55
  next
• 36:55
  to
• 36:55
  someone
• 36:55
  and
• 36:56
  you
• 36:56
  really
• 36:56
  know
• 36:57
  them
• 36:57
  enough
• 36:58
  to
• 36:58
  support
• 36:58
  them.
• 36:59
  It
• 36:59
  has
• 37:00
  been
• 37:00
  my
• 37:00
  privilege
• 37:01
  to
• 37:01
  be
• 37:01
  in
• 37:02
  that
• 37:02
  space
• 37:02
  with
• 37:03
  Jamar,
• 37:03
  Christian
• 37:04
  and
• 37:04
  Carrie
• 37:04
  because
• 37:04
  I
• 37:05
  know
• 37:05
  them
• 37:05
  very
• 37:05
  well.
• 37:07
  But
• 37:08
  it's
• 37:08
  that
• 37:09
  question
• 37:09
  of,
• 37:10
  do
• 37:10
  you
• 37:10
  see
• 37:10
  me,
• 37:11
  do
• 37:11
  you
• 37:11
  hear
• 37:11
  me
• 37:12
  and
• 37:13
  do
• 37:13
  I
• 37:13
  matter
• 37:13
  to
• 37:14
  you?
• 37:15
  Each
• 37:16
  one
• 37:16
  of
• 37:16
  them
• 37:17
  has
• 37:17
  their
• 37:18
  own
• 37:18
  story
• 37:18
  of
• 37:19
  mattering
• 37:20
  Christian,
• 37:21
  whether
• 37:21
  that's
• 37:22
  him
• 37:22
  moving
• 37:23
  from
• 37:23
  a
• 37:24
  question
• 37:24
  of
• 37:24
  his
• 37:25
  own
• 37:26
  academic
• 37:27
  acumen
• 37:28
  to
• 37:28
  being
• 37:29
  a
• 37:29
  scholar
• 37:29
  athlete,
• 37:30
  which
• 37:30
  he
• 37:30
  nicely
• 37:31
  downplays
• 37:32
  because
• 37:32
  he's
• 37:33
  humble,
• 37:34
  right?
• 37:34
  But
• 37:35
  really
• 37:35
  balancing
• 37:36
  the
• 37:36
  rigorous
• 37:37
  schedule
• 37:38
  of
• 37:39
  several
• 37:39
  track
• 37:39
  meets
• 37:40
  within
• 37:41
  a
• 37:41
  month,
• 37:42
  being
• 37:42
  an
• 37:42
  Olympic
• 37:43
  hopeful
• 37:44
  and
• 37:44
  moving
• 37:45
  forward,
• 37:45
  right?
• 37:46
  And
• 37:47
  then
• 37:47
  Carrie
• 37:48
  from
• 37:49
  defining
• 37:49
  herself
• 37:50
  through
• 37:50
  the
• 37:51
  lens
• 37:51
  of
• 37:51
  a
• 37:51
  third
• 37:52
  grade
• 37:52
  teacher,
• 37:52
  as
• 37:53
  quote,
• 37:53
  unquote.
• 37:54
  And
• 37:54
  it's
• 37:54
  hard
• 37:54
  for
• 37:55
  me
• 37:55
  to
• 37:55
  say
• 37:55
  it
• 37:55
  because
• 37:55
  it's
• 37:56
  nauseating,
• 37:57
  right?
• 37:57
  Crippled
• 37:58
  to
• 37:59
  now
• 37:59
  being
• 37:59
  a
• 38:00
  mom
• 38:01
  that
• 38:01
  will
• 38:02
  again
• 38:03
  graduate
• 38:03
  with
• 38:04
  honors
• 38:04
  soon
• 38:05
  with
• 38:05
  a
• 38:05
  master's
• 38:06
  degree.
• 38:07
  To
• 38:07
  Jamar,
• 38:08
  right,
• 38:09
  Who
• 38:10
  has
• 38:10
  so
• 38:11
  many
• 38:11
  beautiful
• 38:11
  identities
• 38:12
  that
• 38:13
  was
• 38:13
  not
• 38:13
  revealed
• 38:15
  during
• 38:15
  this
• 38:15
  conversation
• 38:17
  to
• 38:17
  having
• 38:17
  him
• 38:17
  feel
• 38:18
  so
• 38:18
  comfortable
• 38:19
  with
• 38:19
  himself,
• 38:20
  to
• 38:21
  take
• 38:21
  his
• 38:21
  studies
• 38:23
  of
• 38:23
  diversity
• 38:24
  and
• 38:24
  inclusion
• 38:24
  and
• 38:25
  organizational
• 38:26
  leadership
• 38:26
  into
• 38:27
  a
• 38:27
  space
• 38:27
  where
• 38:28
  it
• 38:28
  may
• 38:29
  be
• 38:29
  uncomfortable
• 38:30
  and
• 38:30
  unsettling
• 38:31
  and
• 38:31
  still
• 38:32
  feeling
• 38:32
  bold
• 38:33
  and
• 38:33
  courageous.
• 38:34
  So
• 38:34
  I
• 38:34
  heard
• 38:35
  a
• 38:35
  lot
• 38:35
  because
• 38:36
  each
• 38:36
  and
• 38:36
  every
• 38:37
  one
• 38:37
  of
• 38:37
  these
• 38:37
  students
• 38:38
  were
• 38:38
  touched
• 38:39
  by
• 38:39
  us
• 38:39
  as
• 38:40
  educators,
• 38:41
  but
• 38:43
  we
• 38:43
  were
• 38:43
  either,
• 38:44
  in
• 38:44
  their
• 38:44
  eyes,
• 38:45
  dream
• 38:45
  killers
• 38:47
  or
• 38:47
  we
• 38:47
  cultivated
• 38:48
  hope.
• 38:50
  So
• 38:50
  I
• 38:50
  always
• 38:51
  ask
• 38:51
  the
• 38:52
  charge
• 38:53
  for
• 38:54
  our
• 38:54
  educators,
• 38:55
  which
• 38:56
  side
• 38:57
  of
• 38:57
  the
• 38:57
  rope
• 38:58
  do
• 38:58
  you
• 38:58
  want
• 38:58
  to
• 38:58
  be
• 38:58
  on?
• 38:59
  Do
• 38:59
  you
• 38:59
  want
• 38:59
  to
• 38:59
  be
• 38:59
  on
• 38:59
  the
• 39:00
  tug
• 39:00
  of
• 39:00
  war
• 39:00
  side
• 39:01
  being
• 39:01
  a
• 39:01
  dream
• 39:01
  killer,
• 39:02
  or
• 39:03
  do
• 39:03
  you
• 39:03
  want
• 39:03
  to
• 39:03
  win
• 39:04
  the
• 39:04
  race
• 39:05
  on
• 39:05
  being
• 39:05
  a
• 39:06
  cultivator
• 39:06
  of
• 39:06
  hope?
• 39:07
  And
• 39:07
  as
• 39:07
  we
• 39:08
  wrap
• 39:08
  up
• 39:08
  this
• 39:08
  episode,
• 39:09
  again,
• 39:10
  I
• 39:10
  want
• 39:10
  to
• 39:10
  say
• 39:10
  thank
• 39:10
  you
• 39:11
  to
• 39:11
  Christian
• 39:11
  Langston,
• 39:12
  Carrie
• 39:12
  Elizabeth
• 39:12
  Brown
• 39:13
  and
• 39:13
  Jamar
• 39:13
  Green
• 39:13
  for
• 39:14
  joining
• 39:14
  us
• 39:14
  today.
• 39:15
  Really,
• 39:16
  really
• 39:16
  appreciate
• 39:16
  this
• 39:17
  conversation,
• 39:17
  Right?
• 39:18
  But
• 39:18
  what
• 39:19
  they
• 39:19
  articulate
• 39:19
  for
• 39:20
  me,
• 39:20
  besides
• 39:20
  all
• 39:21
  of
• 39:21
  that
• 39:21
  other
• 39:21
  stuff
• 39:21
  that
• 39:22
  everybody
• 39:22
  has
• 39:22
  just
• 39:22
  said,
• 39:24
  is
• 39:24
  the
• 39:24
  incredible
• 39:25
  difference
• 39:27
  between
• 39:28
  being
• 39:28
  heard
• 39:30
  and
• 39:30
  what
• 39:30
  it
• 39:30
  feels
• 39:30
  like
• 39:31
  to
• 39:31
  be
• 39:31
  herded,
• 39:32
  right?
• 39:33
  They
• 39:33
  are,
• 39:34
  in
• 39:34
  their
• 39:34
  own
• 39:35
  very
• 39:36
  kind
• 39:36
  way,
• 39:38
  right?
• 39:38
  In
• 39:38
  their
• 39:39
  own
• 39:39
  very
• 39:39
  kind
• 39:39
  way,
• 39:39
  they
• 39:40
  are
• 39:40
  demanding
• 39:41
  that
• 39:42
  we
• 39:42
  disrupt
• 39:42
  that
• 39:42
  transactional
• 39:43
  nature
• 39:44
  of
• 39:44
  school.
• 39:45
  Right.
• 39:46
  They
• 39:46
  are
• 39:46
  demanding
• 39:47
  that
• 39:47
  our
• 39:47
  schools
• 39:48
  become
• 39:48
  a
• 39:48
  place
• 39:48
  where
• 39:49
  humanity
• 39:50
  is
• 39:50
  celebrated.
• 39:51
  So
• 39:51
  thank
• 39:51
  you
• 39:52
  again.
• 39:52
  Thank
• 39:52
  you,
• 39:52
  Christian.
• 39:53
  Thank
• 39:53
  you,
• 39:53
  Carrie
• 39:53
  Elizabeth.
• 39:54
  Thank
• 39:54
  you,
• 39:54
  Jamar.
• 39:54
  Thank
• 39:55
  you,
• 39:55
  Wheelhouse
• 39:55
  Team.
• 39:56
  We'll
• 39:56
  see
• 39:56
  you
• 39:56
  next
• 39:57
  week
• 39:57
  in
• 39:57
  the
• 39:58
  Wheelhouse.
• 40:03
  That's
• 40:03
  a
• 40:04
  wrap
• 40:04
  of
• 40:04
  Episode
• 40:05
  four.
• 40:06
  We
• 40:06
  had
• 40:06
  some
• 40:06
  technical
• 40:07
  difficulties
• 40:08
  capturing
• 40:08
  Carrie's
• 40:09
  voice,
• 40:10
  and
• 40:10
  so
• 40:10
  we'll
• 40:10
  be
• 40:10
  asking
• 40:11
  her
• 40:11
  to
• 40:11
  return
• 40:11
  to
• 40:12
  the
• 40:12
  Wheelhouse
• 40:12
  in
• 40:12
  a
• 40:12
  future
• 40:13
  episode
• 40:14
  so
• 40:14
  we
• 40:14
  can
• 40:15
  rerecord
• 40:16
  some
• 40:16
  of
• 40:16
  her
• 40:16
  brilliant
• 40:17
  comments
• 40:17
  that
• 40:17
  you
• 40:18
  missed
• 40:18
  in
• 40:18
  today's
• 40:18
  episode.
• 40:20
  What
• 40:20
  stands
• 40:21
  out
• 40:21
  to
• 40:21
  me
• 40:21
  after
• 40:21
  this
• 40:22
  conversation,
• 40:22
  though,
• 40:23
  is
• 40:23
  how
• 40:23
  clearly
• 40:24
  students
• 40:24
  experience
• 40:25
  the
• 40:25
  difference
• 40:26
  between
• 40:26
  a
• 40:26
  system
• 40:27
  that
• 40:27
  functions
• 40:28
  and
• 40:28
  a
• 40:29
  system
• 40:29
  that
• 40:29
  actually
• 40:30
  cares.
• 40:31
  They
• 40:31
  know
• 40:31
  when
• 40:32
  school
• 40:32
  is
• 40:32
  coherent,
• 40:33
  they
• 40:34
  know
• 40:34
  when
• 40:34
  adults
• 40:34
  are
• 40:35
  paying
• 40:35
  attention,
• 40:36
  and
• 40:36
  they
• 40:36
  definitely
• 40:37
  know
• 40:37
  when
• 40:37
  we
• 40:38
  confuse
• 40:38
  compliance
• 40:39
  with
• 40:40
  connection.
• 40:41
  If
• 40:41
  this
• 40:42
  season
• 40:42
  is
• 40:42
  really
• 40:42
  about
• 40:43
  future
• 40:43
  ready
• 40:43
  schools,
• 40:44
  then
• 40:44
  this
• 40:45
  conversation
• 40:45
  gives
• 40:46
  us
• 40:46
  an
• 40:46
  important
• 40:46
  reminder.
• 40:47
  The
• 40:48
  future
• 40:48
  is
• 40:48
  not
• 40:48
  something
• 40:49
  we
• 40:49
  build
• 40:49
  apart
• 40:50
  from
• 40:50
  students.
• 40:51
  It's
• 40:51
  something
• 40:52
  we
• 40:52
  build
• 40:52
  with
• 40:53
  a
• 40:53
  much
• 40:53
  deeper
• 40:54
  understanding
• 40:55
  of
• 40:55
  their
• 40:55
  lived
• 40:56
  experience.
• 40:57
  That
• 40:58
  means
• 40:58
  listening
• 40:59
  more
• 40:59
  carefully,
• 41:00
  designing
• 41:01
  more
• 41:01
  honestly,
• 41:02
  and
• 41:03
  making
• 41:03
  sure
• 41:03
  the
• 41:03
  systems
• 41:04
  we
• 41:04
  create
• 41:05
  don't
• 41:05
  just
• 41:06
  work
• 41:06
  on
• 41:06
  paper,
• 41:07
  but
• 41:07
  work
• 41:08
  in
• 41:08
  the
• 41:08
  lives
• 41:08
  of
• 41:08
  actual
• 41:09
  young
• 41:09
  people.
• 41:11
  I'm
• 41:11
  grateful
• 41:11
  to
• 41:12
  our
• 41:12
  guests
• 41:12
  for
• 41:13
  their
• 41:13
  openness,
• 41:13
  honesty,
• 41:14
  and
• 41:14
  insight.
• 41:15
  Their
• 41:16
  stories
• 41:16
  are
• 41:16
  exactly
• 41:17
  the
• 41:17
  kind
• 41:17
  of
• 41:18
  mirror
• 41:18
  education
• 41:19
  needs.
• 41:20
  Thank
• 41:20
  you
• 41:20
  for
• 41:21
  joining
• 41:21
  us
• 41:21
  for
• 41:21
  this
• 41:21
  episode
• 41:22
  of
• 41:22
  the
• 41:22
  Wheelhouse.
• 41:23
  If
• 41:23
  this
• 41:23
  conversation
• 41:24
  stayed
• 41:24
  with
• 41:24
  you,
• 41:25
  share
• 41:25
  it
• 41:25
  with
• 41:25
  a
• 41:25
  colleague,
• 41:26
  your
• 41:26
  leadership
• 41:27
  team,
• 41:27
  or
• 41:28
  someone
• 41:28
  working
• 41:28
  to
• 41:29
  build
• 41:29
  schools
• 41:30
  where
• 41:30
  students
• 41:31
  are
• 41:31
  truly
• 41:31
  seen,
• 41:32
  heard,
• 41:33
  and
• 41:33
  prepared
• 41:34
  for
• 41:34
  the
• 41:34
  road
• 41:34
  ahead.
• 41:35
  Until
• 41:36
  next
• 41:36
  time,
• 41:36
  stay
• 41:37
  ready,
• 41:37
  stay
• 41:38
  human,
• 41:38
  and
• 41:39
  keep
• 41:39
  building
• 41:39
  schools
• 41:40
  that
• 41:40
  students
• 41:41
  can
• 41:41
  actually
• 41:42
  recognize
• 41:43
  as
• 41:43
  designed
• 41:44
  for
• 41:44
  them.