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Huge Victory-Trump Designates Muslim Brotherhood as a Terrorist Organization, plus NYT says Illegal Aliens Stealing Identities of U.S. Citizens are the Real Victims · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome in his verdic with center, Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson
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  Speaker 1: with you, and I hope your Thanksgiving week has been
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  Speaker 1: incredible with your family, save travels out there. Center, We've
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  Speaker 1: got actually a lot to talk about. Usually it's a
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  Speaker 1: slow week during the holidays, not so much this week
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  Speaker 1: at all.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot going on, but I want to
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  Speaker 2: start by just saying this week of Thanksgiving, I hope
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  Speaker 2: you took a minute to just hug your family. Hug
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  Speaker 2: your wife, Hug your husband, Hug your kids. Let your
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  Speaker 2: kids know why you love them, what they mean to you.
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  Speaker 2: If your mom and dad are still with you, tell
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  Speaker 2: them my parents, you know my mom is turning just
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  Speaker 2: turned ninety one, my dad is eighty six. Like the
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  Speaker 2: moments with family these holidays are so important, love them
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  Speaker 2: and give thanks like we have so much to give
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  Speaker 2: thanks for. We have so much to give, thanks for
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  Speaker 2: being Americans. For those of us who are blessed to
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  Speaker 2: be Texans, we have even more to give thanks for.
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  Speaker 2: We have thanks for our liberty. We have thanks for
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  Speaker 2: we're American free enterprise. We have thanks for the Declaration
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  Speaker 2: of Independence and the Constitution are fundamental liberties, and so
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  Speaker 2: I hope in this time. Look, it's so easy. Life
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  Speaker 2: goes so fast, it goes so crazy, you're going to
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  Speaker 2: million miles an hour. Everything distracts you. I hope during
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  Speaker 2: this week you take a minute to sit down and
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  Speaker 2: play a game with your kids. You take a minute.
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  Speaker 2: You know, my daughters have started liking to play poker.
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  Speaker 2: I love to play poker, and just sitting down, like
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  Speaker 2: playing poker, playing Monopoly, playing back them and playing chess,
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  Speaker 2: playing Uno, playing charades, like like, those moments are priceless.
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  Speaker 2: And so yes, there's a lot going on. We're going
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  Speaker 2: to talk about all of that, but but I really
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  Speaker 2: do God has blessed this nation incredibly. And if you
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  Speaker 2: are fortunate enough to be healthy, if you are fortunate
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  Speaker 2: enough to like you and I are men to be
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  Speaker 2: dads like that, being a dad wanted privilege. What incredible
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  Speaker 2: Like watching your kids grow up, watching your kids express strong,
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  Speaker 2: passionate views. Just just take this week, this week and
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  Speaker 2: Christmas week, or I think the two most important weeks
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  Speaker 2: to just love on your kids. And so that's something
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  Speaker 2: I just want to encourage you. You're listening to a podcast.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's great, that that's be engaged. But don't take
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  Speaker 2: the time away from your family and your kids, especially
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  Speaker 2: this week.
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  Speaker 3: Amen to that.
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  Speaker 1: It couldn't agree with you more as we And by
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  Speaker 1: the way, with poker, who's better? I got to ask,
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  Speaker 1: is it you? Or are they taking your money yet?
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  Speaker 1: I just I got to know that.
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  Speaker 2: So I got to say, Caroline, my oldest daughter has
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  Speaker 2: become a pretty good little poker player, and she's got
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  Speaker 2: her boyfriend Bruce that they like playing poker with me.
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  Speaker 2: We were this summer. We went to Lake Powell in
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  Speaker 2: Nevada and Utah, and Lake Powell is gorgeous. It's basically
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  Speaker 2: it's basically the Grand Canyon filled up halfway with water.
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  Speaker 2: And my father in law has a house boat. He's
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  Speaker 2: had a houseboat for thirty years. And you get out
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  Speaker 2: in the houseboat and you tow a water ski boat,
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  Speaker 2: you tow a jet ski and you just get out
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  Speaker 2: there and spend a week and there's no phone, there's
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  Speaker 2: no internet. It's disconnected from the world. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: you get out there, you water ski, you jet ski,
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  Speaker 2: you swim, you jump off the top of the house boat.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, my brother in law, you want to
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  Speaker 2: talk about a bad ass trick. My brother in law
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  Speaker 2: has a trick where he stands at the top of
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  Speaker 2: the houseboat. He holds the rope from the water ski
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  Speaker 2: and his wife gets in the water ski boat and
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  Speaker 2: she punches it. He jumps off the second story of
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  Speaker 2: the houseboat. He lands on his rear end, he goes underwater,
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  Speaker 2: goes about six or eight feet underwater, and he pops
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  Speaker 2: up in barefoots. It is a crazy ass trick.
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  Speaker 3: That's so cool.
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  Speaker 2: And I got to say, like, like, we did that
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  Speaker 2: this summer, spend a week and that's where where Caroline
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  Speaker 2: and Bruce said, Hey, Dad, you really like to play poker?
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  Speaker 2: Can you teach us to play? And so we sat
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  Speaker 2: there a bunch of like bottle caps and used bottle
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  Speaker 2: caps as chips. We didn't play for money, but we
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  Speaker 2: played every night. And it was every night from like
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  Speaker 2: ten pm to one in the morning. We played poker.
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  Speaker 2: And that that was you know, when I was a kid,
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  Speaker 2: when I was a little kid, my grandmother, when I
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  Speaker 2: was six, seven, eight years old, she taught me to
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  Speaker 2: play poker, and she was a She was an incredible
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  Speaker 2: card player. She played bridge every week for she lived
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  Speaker 2: into her eighties. She probably played seventy years worth a bridge,
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  Speaker 2: but she taught me to play poker. She had a
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  Speaker 2: tin of buttons and we would use the buttons as chips.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, she had some like costume jewelry that
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  Speaker 2: were like fake diamonds, so I would, you know, eight
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  Speaker 2: years old, I'd say one million dollars and I'd throw
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  Speaker 2: out like a diamond chip. And for like two years,
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  Speaker 2: I won every time. She'd baby sit me when my
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  Speaker 2: parents went out, and like if they wanted to have
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  Speaker 2: a date night or something, that dropped me off at
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  Speaker 2: at granny's house and we'd sit there and play poker.
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  Speaker 2: And and after a couple of years of doing it
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  Speaker 2: and I'd won over and over again, I came to her.
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  Speaker 2: I said, Granny, let's play for real money. And I
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  Speaker 2: had five dollars and ben. At the time, my allowance
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  Speaker 2: was fifty cents a week, so five dollars was ten
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  Speaker 2: weeks allowance. It was a ton of money. And she said, sure,
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  Speaker 2: absolutely happy to So we sat down played poker. She
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  Speaker 2: cleaned me out.
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  Speaker 1: YEA, That's an important lesson in life is not winning money,
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  Speaker 1: but losing money, because it keeps you in check.
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  Speaker 3: I think forever.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, when my parents picked me up, I was there crying,
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  Speaker 2: and my Irish grandmother was laughing as she like sent
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  Speaker 2: me home and said, well, Sonny, you want to play
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  Speaker 2: for money, let me know next time you want to
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  Speaker 2: do it.
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  Speaker 1: That's such and she didn't give it back, which is
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  Speaker 1: like the reason why you earned your life.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, I never got that five bucks back.
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  Speaker 1: That's so good. I love it, so you know, for
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  Speaker 1: my I got twin boys. Georgie is my game player.
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  Speaker 1: He's obsessed. All Thanksgiving break, we've been playing poker. He
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  Speaker 1: loves it and he grits because we have poker chips.
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  Speaker 1: We don't play for money to hold him. Playing takes
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  Speaker 1: hold him, yeah, and he loves it. He's six years old,
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  Speaker 1: but he's really good with numbers. He loves playing blackjack
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  Speaker 1: the same thing. We use chips and you know, whoever
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  Speaker 1: win just has you know, the bragging rights at the table.
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  Speaker 1: We all start with the same amount. But at six
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  Speaker 1: years old he started whooping. My dad and my sister's
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  Speaker 1: boyfriend lost to him this morning, which really made me
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  Speaker 1: laugh because he's so proud of himself at six, Like
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  Speaker 1: I get this game, Like this is so fun, like
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  Speaker 1: you said, spending time with the fam over the holidays
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  Speaker 1: playing card games. Oh no, whatever it is, do it
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  Speaker 1: with your kids, because that's those are the memories you remember.
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  Speaker 3: For us your life.
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, I got to say, Cubans, what
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  Speaker 2: we do on holidays is we played dominoes, and Cuban's
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  Speaker 2: playing dominoes number one, so we don't play double six dominoes.
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  Speaker 2: Double six dominoes are common in Mexico much of the Caribbean,
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  Speaker 2: but Cubans played double nine dominoes and double nine dominoes
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  Speaker 2: a lot more complicated because you got a lot more
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  Speaker 2: numbers to think through. And my grandfather, oh my abuelo,
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  Speaker 2: he could play dominos. In fact, we still have these
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  Speaker 2: like wooden domino trays that he made in this woodshop
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  Speaker 2: that we play with to this day. And he was
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  Speaker 2: he was such a good domino player that after like
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  Speaker 2: four rounds he could tell you what dominoes every person around.
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  Speaker 3: The table had. Like it was freaking See, I don't
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  Speaker 3: have that. Do you have that type of memory? I
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  Speaker 3: just don't.
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  Speaker 2: I have some of it, but not at the So
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  Speaker 2: when it comes to poker, one of my best friends
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  Speaker 2: in the world is actually an amateur professional poker player,
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  Speaker 2: so he has played in multiple world series of Pokers,
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  Speaker 2: and I played with him a ton, and it's interesting.
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  Speaker 2: When he and I play, he gets pissed because he's very,
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  Speaker 2: very good at the math. He knows the math of
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  Speaker 2: every hand here or the outs, here's the percentages. I'm
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  Speaker 2: okay at the math. I'm I don't have the percentages
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  Speaker 2: down like it's thirty seven percent. I have. This percentage
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  Speaker 2: is notionally right. I have a general I have a
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  Speaker 2: pretty good scent to the math, but it's not exact.
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  Speaker 2: What I play is I read the other players. So
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  Speaker 2: this buddy of mine who's was a grooms in my wedding,
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  Speaker 2: one of my closest friends. We'll play and we've probably
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  Speaker 2: played one hundred poker games together, and my guess is
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  Speaker 2: I want about half and he's won about half. And
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  Speaker 2: it drives him crazy because I'll make plays and he's like,
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  Speaker 2: what the hell are you doing. You can't do that.
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  Speaker 2: The math didn't make sense. And I'll look at him
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  Speaker 2: and say, Adam, I did it because you didn't want
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  Speaker 2: me to. Because when I'm playing poker, the biggest thing
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing is I'm looking in the eyes of the
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  Speaker 2: other people. I'm trying to figure out what do you want?
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  Speaker 2: And I'm going to do the opposite of what you want,
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  Speaker 2: And so it's a Look, what's fun about poker is
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  Speaker 2: you have the math and skill of it, but you
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  Speaker 2: also have the people reading. And that's a blast. And
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  Speaker 2: I gotta say, I'm really proud because my daughter, Caroline,
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  Speaker 2: she's good at both of that. I mean, she's still
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  Speaker 2: a new poker player, but she's good at reading people.
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  Speaker 2: That's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump has begun the process centator of designating the
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  Speaker 1: Muslim Brotherhood is a terrorist organization. This is something that
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  Speaker 1: you've been advocating for talking about. We've talked about on
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  Speaker 1: the show for quite some time. They've also been doing
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  Speaker 1: this in Texas, and now we're seeing it become part
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  Speaker 1: two nationwide.
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  Speaker 2: Your reaction, So, look, this is massively important. President Trump
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  Speaker 2: announced this week that he's going to designate the Muslim
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  Speaker 2: Brotherhood as a terrorist organization. I have literally been fighting
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  Speaker 2: for this to happen for ten years. It has been
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  Speaker 2: five different Congresses that I've introduced legislation directing the federal
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  Speaker 2: government to designate the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization.
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  Speaker 2: We came really really close in the first Trump administration.
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  Speaker 2: I was pushing this. I had legislation, I was fighting
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  Speaker 2: for it. And the reason we fell just short. And
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  Speaker 2: the reason we fell just short is the deep state
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  Speaker 2: in the State Department, they did not want to designate
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  Speaker 2: the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization. And the old
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  Speaker 2: version of the legislation I filed was a top down.
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  Speaker 2: So what it did is it directed the State Department
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  Speaker 2: and the Administration to designate the Global Muslim Brotherhood, the
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  Speaker 2: umbrella organization, as a terrorist organization. And what happened was
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  Speaker 2: the deep state bureaucrats they argued, well, it is not
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  Speaker 2: definitively proven that every single Muslim Brotherhood affiliate across the
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  Speaker 2: globe is a terrorist organization. Some of them clearly are,
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  Speaker 2: but it's not proven that all of them are. And
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  Speaker 2: that argument, at the end of the day, stopped Trump
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  Speaker 2: one from doing this. So Trump two starts and I
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  Speaker 2: leaned in again and I said, all right, we're going
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  Speaker 2: to get this done, and I redrafted the legislation and
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  Speaker 2: pick a totally different approach. Instead of being top down,
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  Speaker 2: I went bottom up and I said, look, the State
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  Speaker 2: Department is directed to designate the individual Muslim Brotherhood affiliates
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  Speaker 2: that are terrorist organizations designate them as such. So, for example,
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  Speaker 2: HAMAS is the Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine. There is zero
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  Speaker 2: dispute that Hamas is a terrorist organization. And so my
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  Speaker 2: legislation said, designate the individual affiliates, whichever one's that there's
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  Speaker 2: clear and definitive proof they're terrorist organizations, and then designate
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  Speaker 2: the Global Muslim Brotherhood for material support for those terrorist organizations,
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  Speaker 2: because the Global organization funds every one of their affiliates.
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  Speaker 2: And so it was a fundamental shift. And at the
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  Speaker 2: end of the day, I think it's unlikely Congress will
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  Speaker 2: pass my legislation because to pass it, I need sixty
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  Speaker 2: Democrats and I need sixty Senators. I need at least
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  Speaker 2: seven Democrats, and I think it's unlikely we'll get seven Democrats.
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  Speaker 2: I've got one, so the legislation and the Senators cruized Fetterman.
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  Speaker 2: So John Fetterman has joined me. But to get to
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  Speaker 2: seven it is not easy. But I've been fighting this
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  Speaker 2: fight because I want to build the momentum for the
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  Speaker 2: President to do what he did this week. But he
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  Speaker 2: did this week is exactly what my legislation says, which
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  Speaker 2: is he directed the State Department to designate the individual
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  Speaker 2: affiliates the lower organizations that are clearly terrorist organizations. And
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you Seb Gorka is that the head of
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  Speaker 2: counter terrorism the National Security Council. Sev is an old friend.
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  Speaker 2: I have met with Seb and talked at length about
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  Speaker 2: making this happen. And then just three weeks ago, I
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  Speaker 2: was at the White House. I was with President Trump.
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  Speaker 2: It was right after he had designated Nigeria as a
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  Speaker 2: country a particular concern because Boko Haram and radical Islamic
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  Speaker 2: terrorists were murdering Christians. More than fifty thousand Christians have
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  Speaker 2: been murdered Nigeria. And I've been fighting to designate Nigeria
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  Speaker 2: for a long time. And so I told the presidents
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  Speaker 2: right after he did that, I said, I said, thank you,
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  Speaker 2: thank you, thank you, thank you for designating Nigeria. Really
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  Speaker 2: big deal, enormously important. And he responded me, he said, great,
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  Speaker 2: ted happy to do it. He said, is there anyone
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  Speaker 2: else we should designate? What else should we do? And
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  Speaker 2: I said the Brotherhood, We should designate the Muslim Brotherhood.
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  Speaker 2: He said to me three weeks ago, I'm happy to
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  Speaker 2: do it. We'll get it done this week. He got
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  Speaker 2: it done. It is a big, big, big deal. This
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  Speaker 2: is literally ten years of hard work, and it will
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  Speaker 2: make America safer because the Muslim Brotherhood is funding terrorists
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  Speaker 2: that want to murder you and want to murder me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is not, just as you mentioned, a big deal.
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  Speaker 1: It's a national security issue. And there's also been a
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  Speaker 1: very weird quietness online on this. There are some members
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  Speaker 1: of the Democratic Party that are acting is that the
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  Speaker 1: Muslim Brotherhood really shouldn't be designate as a terrorist organization.
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  Speaker 1: It might be one of the weirdest things I've ever
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  Speaker 1: seen on social media happen, and yet here we are
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  Speaker 1: witnessing it in real time. Is They're like, well, hold
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  Speaker 1: on a second, why would we really need to do this.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, what world are you living in? Are you
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  Speaker 1: kidding me?
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  Speaker 2: Well, and many of our allies in the Middle East
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  Speaker 2: already understand the threat. So, for example, the Global Muslim
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  Speaker 2: Brotherhood is outlawed as a terrorist group by Bahrain, by Egypt,
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  Speaker 2: by Jordan, by Saudi Arabia, and by the UAE. I've
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  Speaker 2: spoke with the governments of those countries. They really want
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  Speaker 2: the United States to do what President Trump did this week,
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  Speaker 2: which is designate the Muslim Brotherhood. Austria has also banned
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  Speaker 2: the group. Germany is considering legislation to do the same.
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  Speaker 2: French intelligence has described the Muslim Brotherhood as quote a
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  Speaker 2: threat to national cohesion, and the British officials say the
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  Speaker 2: Muslim Brotherhood is subject to surveillance under Britain's anti extremism laws.
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  Speaker 2: So there is a growing movement to recognize that the
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  Speaker 2: Muslim Brotherhood is funding, is promoting terrorism, Terrorism that is
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  Speaker 2: trying to kill Americans, terrorism that's trying to kill Europeans,
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  Speaker 2: terrorism that is trying to kill Israelis. And designating a
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  Speaker 2: group as a terrorist organization unleashes a host of tools,
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  Speaker 2: including sanctions and wrecked military action that we can take
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  Speaker 2: against them. And this is as I said, it has
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  Speaker 2: been ten years. I've been fighting for this to happen.
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  Speaker 2: I want to credit President Trump here. Here's what the
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  Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal Editorial Board wrote about it. Wall Street
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  Speaker 2: Journal Editorial Board said, quote, nearly a quarter century, after
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  Speaker 2: nine to eleven, the US has taken aim at a
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  Speaker 2: leading incubator of Islamic terrorism, the Muslim Brotherhood. Previous attempts
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  Speaker 2: to prescribe the group, including by the first Trump administration,
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  Speaker 2: were stymied by the Brotherhood's loose structure. On Monday, President
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  Speaker 2: Trump signed an executive order to begin the process of
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  Speaker 2: designating the Brotherhood branches as terrorist organizations. Branches in Egypt, Jordan,
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  Speaker 2: and Lebanon are singled out for a thirty day review,
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  Speaker 2: though the order isn't limitated to them. This is a
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  Speaker 2: big deal. America is safer. Thank you, President Trump.
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  Speaker 3: All Right, So there's another thing.
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  Speaker 1: This week's center and it really rarely to headlines like
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  Speaker 1: actually genuinely ticked me off, cynical guy, But there was
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  Speaker 1: one this week with the New York Times.
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  Speaker 2: And then I'm gonna I'm gonna call bs on that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna call on that.
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  Speaker 3: You think the New York Times this week?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know you too well. I has there been
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  Speaker 2: a day in the past year when there was not
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  Speaker 2: a headline that pissed you off?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Eastern Christmas, Thanksgiving, Probably because I'm not reading the
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  Speaker 1: news then.
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  Speaker 2: So the days you don't read the headlines, I'm just
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  Speaker 2: saying they kissed you off every day. But I will
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  Speaker 2: admit this was particularly infuriating.
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  Speaker 3: Very okay, so you'll back on my team on this one.
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  Speaker 3: I like this.
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  Speaker 1: So there's this story, then you're always on my team.
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  Speaker 1: You're you're a You're a constructive criticism teammate. That's how
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  Speaker 1: I would describe you. So the New York Times comes
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  Speaker 1: out with this headline, this story that's actually supposed to
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  Speaker 1: make you, as an American citizen, feel sorry for an
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  Speaker 1: undocumented worker.
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  Speaker 3: They call it that.
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  Speaker 1: I call it an illegal immigrant that stole an American's identity.
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  Speaker 1: And they say, well, there's two men that paid a price.
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  Speaker 1: And they also refer to the identity as a individual,
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  Speaker 1: like one, like two become one, like they're married. It
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  Speaker 1: is the most insane propaganda, even from the New York
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  Speaker 1: Times standard.
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  Speaker 2: Well, all across the country, there are thousands of people
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: who have had their identity stolen by illegal immigrants, and
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: it is causing real pain. It's causing real chaos. Ironically,
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: the New York Times and the Myths that are propaganda
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: piece accidentally reported the news and talked about the devastating consequences. Now,
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: of course, what they said is that if an illegal
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: immigrant steals your identity, the illegal alien is a victim
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: and not just you. So let's just read the beginning
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: of this article, because it's one that will make your
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: head explode the title. Two men, one identity. They both
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: paid the price. Thousands of undocumented workers rely on fraudulent
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: Social Security numbers. One of them belong to Dan Clover.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: Dan Clover saw the police lights flashing in his rearview
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: mirror late last year and eased his car onto the shoulder,
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: thinking there had been some kind of mistake. He had
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: spent four decades in rural Minnesota without ever getting into trouble.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: He prided himself on a life built around dependability and routine,
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: working at the same factory where his father once did,
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: and spending his weekends coaching baseball and teaching Sunday school.
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  Speaker 2: He had never fired a gun, or smoked a cigarette,
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: or missed a payment, or had been arrested. By the way,
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure I believe that he's never fired a gun.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: The guys in rural Minnesota. That sounds like a New
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: York Times BS statement, But leave that as his side.
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  Speaker 2: Quote license and registration, please, the officer said. Clover forty two,
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  Speaker 2: handed them over and waited while the officer went back
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  Speaker 2: to his patrol call. He listened to the church bells
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: that rang every hour and watched the sunlight reflect off
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: the grain silos in downtown Olivia, where he knew most
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: of the two twenty four hundred residents, including the officers.
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  Speaker 2: Walking back to his car, it's everything all right, Clover asked.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: It's strange, but it looks like your license has been suspended.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: You've got another driver's license with some issues down in Missouri.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: What Clover said, I've barely ever been to Missouri. How
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: is that possible. The officer had no answers, but Clover
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: feared he might know what was happening. Over the years,
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: there had been signs that something wasn't right, stray letters
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: about wages earned in unfamiliar towns, and collection notices for
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: debt that wasn't his. Clover had tried to untangle the
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: mess several times by hiring tax specialists and driving to
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: government offices across the state, only to run into the
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: same bureaucratic dead ends. But now the problem was bigger
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: than unpaid taxes. Somebody was impersonating him, moving through the
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: world as Dan Clover, building a life in his name
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: with a government issued ID. His The problem was one
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: version of a problem that's been spreading across the country
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: for years. The government estimates that as many as one
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: million undocumented workers are using fraudulent or stolen social security numbers.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Let me repeat that, The government estimates that as many
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: as one million undocumented workers are using fra stolen social
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: security numbers a survival tactic. Of course, it's fiber tactic.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: They're just stealing because they want to survive, used to
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: pass background checks and get jobs. The numbers are skimmed
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: from data breach, sold in the black market online for
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: as little as one hundred and fifty dollars, or handed
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: out in border towns by human smugglers. Many numbers connect
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: back to US citizen children, dead people, or Porto Ricans,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: whose numbers circulate easily across the mainland, but thousands of
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: others belong to people like Clover, Americans whose names and
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: identities are no longer theirs alone. The police officer sent
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Clover home with a warning, and he sifted through filecap
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: vents with his wife Christie, searching for clues about the
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: other Dan Clover. His solid security card was safely locked away,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: alongside birth certificates for their three children. He'd never been
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: robbed or even lost his wallet, but there was his
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: number printed on a W two from a leather factory
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: in a town he never visited. He traced fifteen years
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: of records and found more tax documents listing unfamiliar jobs
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: at a cement plant in Kansas, a paper mill in Tennessee,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: a construction company in Ohio, a seal a cereal factory
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: in Nebraska, and a dog food plant in Missouri. How
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: do you think you've been getting between all these places,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Christie asked. It's eerie. It's like I've lost all control
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: over who I am, Clover said. Some years the other
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Dan Clover had earned more than his own salary at
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: a local sugar beet factory, which pushed the total income
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: under a solid security number into a higher tax bracket.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: As the death started to mount, twice he'd contacted law
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: enforcement and filed into DNIY theft report with the federal government.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: He waited for relief while the IRS docked his annual
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: tax returns and garnished a few of his paychecks, costing
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: him thousands. Finally, a few months before their wedding in
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: twenty twelve, Christie decided to pay off the balance, emptying
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: her savings and sending a check for six thousand dollars
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: their relief lasted until the next tax season, when a
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: new bill arrived, this one for twenty two thousand dollars.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: They spent the next decade living with the consequences annual
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: tax audits, budgets that never added up, whispered arguments. After
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: the kids went to bed, Clover kept calling government numbers
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: and waiting on hold until he eventually resigned himself to
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: a payment plan. He agreed to send the irs one
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty dollars each month, which he'd done more
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: than thirty five times. I can't keep obsessing over this
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: and getting nowhere, he told Christie. I need to think
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: about something else that is going on. And yet The
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: New York Times at the same time described the person
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: who stolen's identity. He had lived under enough names and
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: numbers in the United States that they started to blur together.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Vincent Trochilo, Rainaldo Guera, and then, for more than a decade,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Daniel Clover, the name he'd used until he could barely
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: remember what it felt like to exist as himself. Romeo
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Perez Bravo forty two a Guatemalan immigrant who has spent
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: most of his adult life working under borrowed identities, borrowed
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: being the fake name for stolen. By the start of
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, he was preparing for another graveyard shift
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: in Saint Joseph, Bassouri, lacing his work boots in the
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: darkness and his drafty rental while his wife and five
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: children slept, He packed their school lunches. The next day,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: drove to the dog food factory and gathered with his
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: coworkers to say their nightly prayer. Then he swiped his
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: badge to again another twelve hour shift as Daniel Clover,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: sinking deeper into an identity that wasn't really his own. Daniel,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: his boss always shouted taking attendance before they went to
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: their lines. Here, he said. Perez Bravo had come to
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: the United States for the first time at sixteen to
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: help earn money for his family. Traveling alone to join
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: his father in Marshall, Minnesota, he hiked out of the
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Guatemalan Highlands, rode atop a freight train for three weeks
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: across Mexico, nearly drowned in the Rio Grande, and took
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: a greyhound to Middle America, where life somehow felt harder.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: He slept on a couch at his father's apartment and
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: enrolled in high school, despite speaking almost no English. Then
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: he began to look for a job, but no one
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: would hire an underage worker without papers. The entire story
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: goes on to say, this guy who has stolen the
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: identity of a poor working man in Minnesota, he's the victim,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: despite the fact that that Daniel Clover, the real Daniel Clover,
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: is paying IRS debts, his credit has been ruined. It
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: has been a nightmare for him. And yet for the
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: New York Time, they say it's one identity. This the
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: poor guy that stole his identity, is really the victim.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: It is an infuriating example of propaganda. Let me go
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: back to the stat that I read more than one
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: million illegal immigrants have stolen identities of Americans, and Americans
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: are hurting all over the country, and the New York
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Times is saying, you too should have your identity stolen,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: You too should pay the price, You too should pay
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: IRS bills that you don't know because an illegal immigrant
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: stole your identity. And by the way, that illegal immigrants
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: is the victim, not you.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Center finally, on the show, let's deal with a major problem.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: It's huge.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: A university is now warning of a quote unquote whiteness pandemic.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Not a problem, but a pandemic, a whiteness pandemic. This
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: coming from the University of Minnesota. I'll let you take
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: it from there.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Ye got to say, this is going to piss you off.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Are you white? Then apparently you are an evil, noxious
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: scourge on America. You are a pandemic, You are a virus,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: You are a disease, and woke leftists are going to
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: re educate the whiteness right out of you. Like I
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: wish I were making this up, Like when I say
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: these words, you sound like a lunatic. You sound like
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: you're wearing like a tinfoil hat, and you believe in
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: conspiracy theories. But I want to read to you from
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: a website from the University of Minnesota. By the way,
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: there is a state website. This is all right. Here's
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: what the website says, quote, what is the whiteness pandemic?
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Racism is an epidemic that can also be considered a
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: pandemic given its large cross national proportion and spread. However,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: there is another pandemic lurking behind and driving the racist pandemic,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: the whiteness pandemic. Whiteness refers to culture not biology. The
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: century culture of whiteness features color blindness, in other words,
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: not being a racist. That is, the whiteness pandemic. Passivity,
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: and white fragility were all covert expressions of racism common
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: in the United States. Naming the whiteness pandemic shifts our
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: gaze from the victims and effects of racism onto the
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: systems that perpetrate and perpetuate racism, starting with the family system.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: In other words, families are racist. If you believe in families,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: if you believe in a mom and dad raising kids,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: loving kids. That is, the family system is part of
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: the whiteness pandemic. At birth, young children growing up in
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: white families begin to be socialized into the culture of whiteness,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: making the family system one of the most powerful systems
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: involved in systemic racism. That this is open. We hate families,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: is what the University of Minnesota is saying. And okay,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: what's the next section? Quote how do we halt and
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: reverse the whiteness pandemic? If you were born and raised
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: in the United States, you have grown up in the
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: whiteness pandemic, and you can play a role in halting
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: or reversing this pandemic. Especially if you are white, because
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: of the power and privilege you hold in this racialized society.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: If you were socialized into the culture of whiteness during
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: your childhood, it is not your fault, but as an adult,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: it is now your responsibility to self reflect, to re
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: educate yourself and act. If you are a white adult,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: anti racist action involves an ongoing process of self reflection
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: in order to develop a healthy, positive white identity while
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: encouraging courageous anti racist parenting sash caregiving. What utter and
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: complete garbage, what racist leftist communist drek And this is
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: the University of Minnesota. By the way, Look, there are
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: like great people in Minnesota, They're great people in every state,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: and yet these people are racist radicals. And this is
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: what they're indoctrinating our children with.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Not only the indoctionnary children, but this is where a
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: lot of our dollars are tax hours go, which is
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: the other frustrating part that this is what they're indoctrinating
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: them with.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Undoubtedly. And by the way, our podcast on Monday, so
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: we do this podcast three days a week, Monday, Wednesday,
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: and Friday. Our podcast on Monday talked about what is
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: the number one funder of Al Shabab, the radical Islamics
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: terrorist group. And the answer, terrifyingly enough, is the taxpayers
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: of the state of Minnesota. So in Minnesota has a
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: huge Somali community. Somalis have invaded the state of Minnesota.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: It's how you elect Ilhan Omar, who actively is anti
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: American racist, radical embraces and supports radical Islamic terrorists. And
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: the Somali community sends billions every year back to Somalia
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: and millions of that money sent back ends up directly
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: in the pockets and the coffers of Al Shabab. And
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: it is the Minnesota state taxpayers. So we detailed this
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: on Monday. How welfare fraud, fraudulent collection of welfare payments,
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: an entire welfare system set up seemingly on the face
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: of it to encourage fraud, to facilitate fraud, is resulting
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: in Minnesota taxpayers sending millions of dollars to radical Islamic terrorists.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: This is the same ideology like what do you do
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: if you happen to be a white kid at the
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: University of Minnesota. You show up and be told by
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: the way you're just you know your seventeen eighteen year
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: old kid. You show up as a freshman, and if
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: you're white, you're told you're a pandemic, you're a virus.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: And the only answer is re educate yourself because who
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: you are, who America is. And understand this screed against
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: quote anti whiteness, is also a screed against America. That
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: these Marxists hate the United States of America, they hate
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: the Constitution, they hate our freedoms. And this garbage that
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: is anti racism, this garbage that is DEI, this garbage
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: that says we must institutionalize. By the way, the fix
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: for the anti for the whiteness pandemic is to discriminate
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: against anyone who is white, is to institutionalize racism. And
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: that is grotesque. It is wrong. It is contrary to
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: the fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution, which protects provides the
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: equal protection of the law to all people are regardless
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: of race. It is contrary to the founding notions of
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: this country. The Declaration said, we hold these truths to
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: be self evident, that all men are created equal, not some,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: not just white people, not just black people, not anyone.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: All men and all women are created equal, that they
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: are endowed by their creator with certain unvailable rights that
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: among them are life liberty in the pursuit of happiness.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: That's what this country was built on. And these Marxists
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: who have taken over our institutions hate that notion, and
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: this kind of garbage is being spewed to our children
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: and being used to brainwash our children at a massive rate.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: I tell this all the time to parents when they
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: ask be careful where you send your kids to college,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: because they could be indoctrinated to literally hate this country.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: This is another exam.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: And to hate you exactly, to hate their mom and dad.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: But by the way, what I just read the family system.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: They are attacking families. They're telling your kids family is evil.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: That's what Marxists believe.
• 32:58
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