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Full Episode: Don Lemon author of "This is the Fire: What I Say To My Friends About Racism."; EMMY winning Actor Terrence Terrell; Patrice Covington & Rebecca Naomi Jones of "Genius: Aretha"; & Dr. Willie & Dee Jolley talk Sex, Headaches and Other Lies · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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  Speaker 1: He's a celebrity because he's on TV every night. He's
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  Speaker 1: an entrepreneur. His name is Don Lemon. He's the host
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  Speaker 1: of Seeing n Tonight with Don Lemon, and he's America's
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  Speaker 1: only black prime time anchor. In Done was the leading
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  Speaker 1: voice on CNN guide in viewers like me to the
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  Speaker 1: death of George Floyd's on the summer nationwide protests and riots.
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  Speaker 1: The viewers and myself we depended on him nightly to
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  Speaker 1: guide us through the global pandemic. I recently got a vaccine,
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  Speaker 1: and I tell you something. He guided me through the
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  Speaker 1: process of being mature enough to deal with that and
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  Speaker 1: go get the vaccine. I got it yesterday. Now an urgent,
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  Speaker 1: deeply personal and riveteen plead. His new book shows us
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  Speaker 1: how deep our problem live with racism and what we
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  Speaker 1: can do to begin to fix the problem. The book
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  Speaker 1: is entitled This is the Fire What I Say to
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  Speaker 1: My friends about Racism. Don brings his vast audience and
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  Speaker 1: experience as a reporter and a black man to today's
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  Speaker 1: most urgent question, how can we end racism in America
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  Speaker 1: in our lifetime? Please welcome to Money Making Conversation Don
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  Speaker 1: Lemon for Sean. Thank you so much. It's good to
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  Speaker 1: be with you. Again and while on an introduction, Well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, some man, it was. It was emotional, you know,
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  Speaker 1: because I read the book and the book was a journey.
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  Speaker 1: And I say that to everybody that before I get
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  Speaker 1: into detail about the book. One of the things that
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  Speaker 1: I love what you said is somebody says they have
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  Speaker 1: the answer the racism, basically walk away from because they lack.
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  Speaker 1: And you say that in the book because that's true.
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  Speaker 1: Talk to us about that. Well, I said, I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to write this book because I thought I had some
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  Speaker 1: things that I could speak to and that I could
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  Speaker 1: speak because I'm at the really at the matrix of
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  Speaker 1: as you so keenly pointed out, everything that happens in
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  Speaker 1: this country every single night, or every weeknight at least
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  Speaker 1: sometimes on weekends, sometimes seven nights a week. Uh, And
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  Speaker 1: I'm just sort of guiding people through the process and
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  Speaker 1: so um, so you're right on about that. I it was,
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  Speaker 1: it was. It was a tough thing to write this book, knowing,
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  Speaker 1: um what I know and experiencing what I experience, and
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  Speaker 1: it was, as you said, very personal. Just before just
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  Speaker 1: before I hung up with you a couple of minutes
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  Speaker 1: and just before I got on with you a couple
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  Speaker 1: of minutes ago. Um, you know, my I write the
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  Speaker 1: letter to my nephew in the beginning of the book.
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  Speaker 1: My niece and her husband called, which is Trishad my
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  Speaker 1: great nephew who I write the letter to. It's his
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  Speaker 1: mom and his stepdad and they called me and they
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  Speaker 1: were so emotional about the book and they didn't realize
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  Speaker 1: just how personal and how candid it would be. And
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  Speaker 1: they said they were actually crying reading the book. And
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  Speaker 1: He's like, and you know, his stepdad, Jeffrey said, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not an emotional person, but done you made me cry.
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  Speaker 1: I believe this book is going to be a classic
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  Speaker 1: and in a hundred years people are going to be reading.
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  Speaker 1: And I said, what, So there you go. But you
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  Speaker 1: know in that letter it was it was come of
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  Speaker 1: things made me smile. We said we shared the same
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  Speaker 1: foehead nose, and we're all articulated on bones, on bones,
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  Speaker 1: what is that? What is that? Come? Then you know
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  Speaker 1: you know well articulated armbones, that everything is in the
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  Speaker 1: right place right. Um. Um, there's a there's a photo
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  Speaker 1: of us at the beach from a couple of summers ago,
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  Speaker 1: and um, very similar. He's he is the younger body. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: the younger version of me. And so I look at it.
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  Speaker 1: I said, look, we have the same arms and we
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  Speaker 1: have the same thing. Weird And so that I said,
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  Speaker 1: how do would I put that in there? And to
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  Speaker 1: the same You know, it's so simple to say we
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  Speaker 1: have the same arm and say, well, don't let to
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  Speaker 1: say the same well articulated arm. But I love that
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  Speaker 1: it may be smile because the book like this, You
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  Speaker 1: want to smile. You want to find those moments of
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  Speaker 1: happiness because it's the truth. And sometimes when you deal
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  Speaker 1: with racism and that, and you know, white people, they
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  Speaker 1: always say you have to say, white people, can you
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  Speaker 1: just move on? You know, we know there's a problem.
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  Speaker 1: Can we move on. That's not me. They don't really
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  Speaker 1: realize the vast nature hot racism is so undercover. The
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  Speaker 1: beauty of electing a person like you said with Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump in to you said, he led us to the fire,
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  Speaker 1: and what exactly is the fire? Well, he's led us
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  Speaker 1: to the farming and then poured gasoline on it. Um
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  Speaker 1: the Fire is James Balwin's book, UM the Fire Next Time,
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  Speaker 1: which was this was a tribute to right. That's why
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  Speaker 1: one of the reasons that I UM fashioned the book
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  Speaker 1: in the way that I fashioned it is because James
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  Speaker 1: Balwan is my literary hero UM. As I was as
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  Speaker 1: I read I read The Fire Next Time a couple
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  Speaker 1: of times a year, and as all of these events
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  Speaker 1: were unfolding UM in the last few years, and especially
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  Speaker 1: the last year in the summer of I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: write something. I was inspired to write something that was short,
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  Speaker 1: that was concise, and that was powerful, and I wrote
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  Speaker 1: it in the fashion of James Baldwin. That's why James
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  Speaker 1: Balwan starts The Fire Next Time with a letter to
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  Speaker 1: his nephew one hundred years after the Emancipation Proclamation, on
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  Speaker 1: the anniversary one hundred years and he starts by saying
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  Speaker 1: something like, we know that we're celebrating or we're writing this.
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  Speaker 1: You know I've begun this letter, Um a thousand times
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  Speaker 1: and I've torn it up. And then he says, we
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  Speaker 1: know that we're celebrating this anniversary a hundred years too soon,
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  Speaker 1: even though it's hundred the universary of the Emancipation Patient Proclamation.
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  Speaker 1: And when he said God gave no other rainbow sign,
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  Speaker 1: no more water the Fire Next Time, to me, that
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  Speaker 1: was an indication. In a call after watching someone die
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  Speaker 1: on camera. UM, that we were in the fire, and
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  Speaker 1: that we were at an inflection point in our society. UM,
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  Speaker 1: and either we could decide as a group of people
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  Speaker 1: to continue on to towards a more perfect union rather
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  Speaker 1: than a divisive union, or regressing to a time where UM,
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  Speaker 1: people of color and marginalized people did not have equal
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  Speaker 1: rights under the law, under the Constitution, or at least
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  Speaker 1: under the law unto the Constitution, they should have, but
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  Speaker 1: not more treated that way. And so I believe that
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  Speaker 1: we are this is the fire that we're in right now.
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  Speaker 1: If we don't fix this, then it's going to get
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  Speaker 1: hotter and worse and we will never fix it. We're
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  Speaker 1: at an inflection point where it needs to change. And
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  Speaker 1: in the book we talked but I think it's a
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  Speaker 1: great segue because you said brought a perfect union because
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  Speaker 1: at the age of three three in your book you
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  Speaker 1: talk about Thomas Jefferson and he's writing. But before we
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  Speaker 1: go there, let's go back to sixteen nineteen, as you're
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  Speaker 1: talking about when they really all started, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, men and women of dark complexion of color
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  Speaker 1: collection skin was sold a slave in sixteen nineteen. And
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  Speaker 1: then you jumped to Thomas Jefferson at the age of
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  Speaker 1: thirty two and when they wanted to do right, but
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  Speaker 1: they were shouted down by men who didn't want to
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  Speaker 1: do right because they said, Who're gonna pick the cotton?
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  Speaker 1: I'm not picking the cotton, So the right And then
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  Speaker 1: because it was, like I said, it was a beautiful book.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, I want to compliment you on that
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  Speaker 1: because I read a lot of books and and what
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  Speaker 1: captures me as a as a reader is emotion. And
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  Speaker 1: it also you're a very colorful writer. In other words,
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  Speaker 1: I actually felt the moments I felt, uh, Thomas Jefferson's
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  Speaker 1: issues that he had in your writing. And then you
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  Speaker 1: jump to uh, miss martel In in eighteen forty seven.
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  Speaker 1: It gets personal with you because you start talking about
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  Speaker 1: your life. You know, you start talking about this is
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  Speaker 1: an area of the country that you live in, and she,
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  Speaker 1: as a black woman, was in a position to purchase
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  Speaker 1: land and the issues that she had to deal with.
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  Speaker 1: And then you jump even further to George Florida. Why
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  Speaker 1: was it important to have these transitional time moments in
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  Speaker 1: your book to set the stage, Because I think it
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  Speaker 1: was important to show that the true history of the
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  Speaker 1: country and the contributions of black people, people of color,
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  Speaker 1: of um people who were descendants of slaves. I thought
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  Speaker 1: it was important to be able to point that out
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  Speaker 1: because I don't think that we can solve this unless
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  Speaker 1: we start at the beginning. And the beginning is a
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  Speaker 1: true history of this country. You mentioned sixteen nineteen, and
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  Speaker 1: there's a sixteen nineteen projects. But there's also what we
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  Speaker 1: should realize is that long before the Mayflower was here,
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  Speaker 1: there were people who came over who made the journey
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  Speaker 1: across the Atlantic, and they were Africans, and there were
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  Speaker 1: people who helped to build this country for free. So
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  Speaker 1: while we look upon the descendants of the people who
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  Speaker 1: came over on Mayflower is sort of vaunted or celebrated position, um,
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  Speaker 1: perhaps that we should teach the history of the people
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  Speaker 1: who came over before them as well and who actually
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  Speaker 1: built the country for free as slave slave labor. And um.
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  Speaker 1: So I used mon terry, because mon terry that should
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  Speaker 1: be taught in our history books to American history to kids,
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  Speaker 1: as we teach Christopher Columbus discovered America. Christopher Columbus did
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  Speaker 1: not discover America. America was here long before Christopher Columbus
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  Speaker 1: Columbus was here, just asked any Native American. And it's
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  Speaker 1: insulting to people actually to learn that, because it's not
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  Speaker 1: the truth. If you want to say Christopher Columbus conquered America,
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  Speaker 1: or that, um, that Europeans conquered America, Okay, that might
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  Speaker 1: be a fair statement. So that um people like mon
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  Speaker 1: Terry and his sister a Maza, and um the German
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  Speaker 1: Coast Uprising which I write about, and a number of
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  Speaker 1: other things that in instances in the book that include
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  Speaker 1: African Americans or African how African people contributed to this country.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's where we start with the truth from
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  Speaker 1: the beginning, and that's why I woke all of those
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  Speaker 1: instances into the book to try to bring it all
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  Speaker 1: from the past, from the beginning into the presence. Now
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  Speaker 1: you said the book you do not pretend to have
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  Speaker 1: any answers, and then the book is this is the fire.
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  Speaker 1: What I say to my friends about racism? What what
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  Speaker 1: response are you given to your friends? So the response
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  Speaker 1: that the biggest responses that we have to do the
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  Speaker 1: work is that there's a shared responsibility that we all
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  Speaker 1: have as American where we can't say, well, you know,
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  Speaker 1: my people didn't do this, and my people didn't do that,
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  Speaker 1: and I didn't know in plays and I didn't know,
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  Speaker 1: but um, there but there were people in this country, um,
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  Speaker 1: who weren't able to vote, weren't able to get an education,
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  Speaker 1: who were not able to live with they where they
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  Speaker 1: wanted and weren't able to which is the biggest part
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  Speaker 1: of it is to earn generational wealth. And but who
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  Speaker 1: helped to build the wealth for wealthy people, and which
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  Speaker 1: offers what an ease in society and a comfort and
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  Speaker 1: a level of privilege that that isn't afforded to most
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  Speaker 1: people of color in this country. And so what I
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  Speaker 1: tell them is that again they must know their history,
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  Speaker 1: start from the beginning and teaching their children the real
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  Speaker 1: history of this country. But I also tell people that
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  Speaker 1: the difference is going to be made with the relationship,
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  Speaker 1: because when you see people as human, when you see
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  Speaker 1: people's humanity, it's hard to discriminate against them, it's hard
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  Speaker 1: to be humanize them. And it's even more difficult to
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  Speaker 1: put your knee on their neck for almost nine minutes
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  Speaker 1: on a street in front of the world to see.
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  Speaker 1: So relationships, get to know people who don't look like
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  Speaker 1: you that's really important, and really it was. It was
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  Speaker 1: interesting things. When I talk, I try to talk out
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  Speaker 1: of when I talk to my staff, I talked to
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  Speaker 1: my family, talked to my my daughter. I would talk
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  Speaker 1: about the reality what Donald Trump was to this country.
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  Speaker 1: I always felt that and I tell the people that
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  Speaker 1: I said, if it hit equipment would have one. In
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  Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, I think that we needed this gut check
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  Speaker 1: because I felt that Donald Trump pushed his country into
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  Speaker 1: a state of racist reality and it brought out a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people wore boldly let them know how they
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  Speaker 1: feel about race, but boldly letting them know, let you
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  Speaker 1: know what side of the eye they're willing to stand on.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think that's good or bad? Because myself, I
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  Speaker 1: think I want to know what a person thinks. It's
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  Speaker 1: them hiding what they think. I want to know as well.
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  Speaker 1: I would rather someone tell me who they are. I
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  Speaker 1: would rather know who they are, and we do now.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why I say in the book that he
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  Speaker 1: was the president we deserved and probably the president we needed. Now,
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  Speaker 1: what would it have been better if it if we
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  Speaker 1: could have learned the same lessons through a different person
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  Speaker 1: with a different experience. Yes, but all things being what
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  Speaker 1: they were and what they are right now, we must
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  Speaker 1: look at the reality, and that is that he exposed
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  Speaker 1: um for us, the symptoms of what is boiling or
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  Speaker 1: going on beneath the surface. And he's the one that
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  Speaker 1: sent us into the doctor's office to have a diagnosed
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  Speaker 1: and then fix whatever that is. Whether it's a long
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  Speaker 1: process of convalescing and trying to get better and um
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  Speaker 1: and recovery, or whether it's just to excite the problem
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  Speaker 1: and try to do it immediately and as fast as possible.
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  Speaker 1: But whatever it is, he led it, He exposed it,
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  Speaker 1: and he led us here. And now we know we
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  Speaker 1: don't have to live in um some false reality that
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  Speaker 1: we thought that we were post racial, because we're not. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: You know the thing about it, I here's an interesting
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  Speaker 1: part about my life. And you know, when you you know,
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  Speaker 1: you develop a relationship with a person like you, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I value the time I spend with you now, but
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  Speaker 1: I even value the time I spend with you whenever
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  Speaker 1: at my home, and I turn you on it as
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  Speaker 1: a that's an honesty about you done. It's please expound
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  Speaker 1: on that, because is riveting to me last night when
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  Speaker 1: I so you interviewed the Capitol police officer who had
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  Speaker 1: uh and you in in twelve Republican members of Congress
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to honor them because they didn't see the
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  Speaker 1: January sixth event as an insurrection, even though five people
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  Speaker 1: died at that little I guess protest that got out
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  Speaker 1: of hand. I guess that's what they're calling it. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. But this man, you know, he used the
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  Speaker 1: word are racial slur. He didn't want to use the
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  Speaker 1: N word, but he was mentally bruised. It may take
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  Speaker 1: years of therapy to recover from that moment. But you
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  Speaker 1: was the interviewer. How did you How were you taking
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  Speaker 1: all of that and then maintaining emotions? Well, I have
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  Speaker 1: to because um I am the fissilitator, right and if
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  Speaker 1: I lose my composure, then you don't get anything out
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  Speaker 1: of the interview. But at the very beginning of the interview,
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  Speaker 1: I started talking to him and then he said, I'm sorry, stop.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't expect to be this emotional, and so I
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  Speaker 1: said to him, it's okay, go ahead and talk to us.
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  Speaker 1: Why are you emotional? And they get than he has
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  Speaker 1: to explain it. Um. It gives him a place to
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  Speaker 1: go rather than going down spiral and spiraling into his emotions.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes you just have to allow it and let people
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  Speaker 1: say what they want to say. But I think it
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  Speaker 1: was more productive Um that he explained his feelings and
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  Speaker 1: why he had become so emotional, And he said, because
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  Speaker 1: I hadn't really had a chance before this interview. The
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  Speaker 1: way I set it up the interview, he said, it
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  Speaker 1: gave him a fuller perspective or more fulsome perspective about
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: um what had transpired and what people thought about it.
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  Speaker 1: And also he had done one earlier interview, and in
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  Speaker 1: that earlier interview he had not spoken to his fellow officers,
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  Speaker 1: and after speaking to his fellow officers, he got more
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  Speaker 1: of their experiences. And that cut even deeper because one
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  Speaker 1: of one of the fellow officers said to him, Um,
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  Speaker 1: the protesters were not only calling, you know, me the
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  Speaker 1: N word, but they said, hey, N word, you have
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  Speaker 1: that rifle in your hand. You're so big and bad.
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  Speaker 1: Why don't you put that rifle down and we'll show
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  Speaker 1: you how big of an inWORD you are. And this
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  Speaker 1: is a police officer who is who puts his life
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  Speaker 1: on the line every day, and these people are out
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  Speaker 1: there supposed to be supporters of the police officers, and
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  Speaker 1: you know so called blue lives matter, but they're beating
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  Speaker 1: them with blue Lives Matter black poles and signs. So um,
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  Speaker 1: that's that's why he was emotional because he had had
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  Speaker 1: time to absorbit. He hadn't had time to absorbit before.
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  Speaker 1: I think he was somewhat still in a state of shock.
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  Speaker 1: We know, just in reading this book. You know, great
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  Speaker 1: picture on the back by the way, I love that picture.
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  Speaker 1: Where where would it ticket? Thank you? That was taken
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  Speaker 1: is Terence to Real. Let me just let y'all know
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  Speaker 1: He's motor y'all, half man, half motorcycle. You those progressive motors. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I know all that black dude, that black dude on
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  Speaker 1: my man right here, Terence Terrell. We're gonna put the
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  Speaker 1: word out by him. He's an Emmy Award when an actor, author, musician,
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  Speaker 1: and philanthropist. He's appeared on Bosh for Amazon, Loved Him,
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  Speaker 1: On That Room, One on Fourth for HBO, Batwoman for
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  Speaker 1: New Truck Laurie, I'm Chuck Laura I Chuck, Laurie calls you.
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  Speaker 1: Then you start get know your needs. You said, thank God,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: because this man history on television is legendary for sustaining
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  Speaker 1: sitcoms on the air. But let's go a little bit
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  Speaker 1: about this brother here. He's uh, he's originally from Cleveland, Mississippi.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: So you have to use the word humble, beguinneas with him.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: He's an HPC your law Mississippi Valley State, that's Jr.
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  Speaker 1: Rance Country Willie Todd, you know what I'm talking about,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: and currently resides in Los Angeles, California. You know the
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: beauty of him. Man. He has a book out that
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about is a self published children's book
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: series and includes the titles of Blackie, He's a previous
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: book that he's written, but my Little Black Book. The
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: book promotes black beauty, inclusion, and self love, which is
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: some of the forces that drive this young man as
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: he builds his empire through his talent, hard work, passion,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: and his commitment to making other people better. Please work
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: with the money making a conversation. He had to change
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: his background once he realized who was interviewing him. He
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: thought he was in the basement. Please welcome terrce does
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  Speaker 1: be showing up? I was like, let me let me
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: show it out. Let me get ready for you. No,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: hold up, hey man, Okay, who are you overgain hold on?
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Hold on, hold hold on. That's your background? That ain't
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: no like uh like the a little thing they just
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: put on like a little flip pitcher. Now that's me, brother,
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  Speaker 1: Let me know about me. Let me do something where
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: you're upgrading ground. Well, first of all, you're a handsome guy,
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  Speaker 1: So any background you'll be in front of gonna work
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  Speaker 1: for you. So let's go and get that. That's gonna
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: get that out to wait. But you come from Cleveland, Mississippi. Now,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: I've been all over. I have been in that city because,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: like I said, I know about Cleveland, uh, Mississippi, Alabama,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: because I was a stand up comedian. So I was
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: going up and down all the little towns man, just
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: trying to make my career work. And and when you're
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: trying to make your career work, sometimes you have to
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: do in play places that on one on that schedule
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: for starting. And so come from Cleveland now residing in
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Los Angeles, tell us about their journey because we have
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: to stop at the HBCU country that I mentioned in
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: your intro Mississippi Valley State. Because right now HBCU brand
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: recognition is on fire. You have to be proud. Yes, Um,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: So I was raised that while I grew up in Mississippi,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: but my mom moved us from Cleveland at five and
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: I went to San Diego, and then I came back
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  Speaker 1: to Clean, Mississippi when I was fifteen because my grandmother.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you go back to the South because somebody
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: sick or you gotta help family, remember house. So my
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: grandmother had open heart surgery, so I went back to
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: help her out. Um, and I end up going to
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: college at Missisipi Valley State there undergrad that was undergrad
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: then grad school. I went to Jackson State. But I
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: was a drum major at Mississippi Valley State. So I
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: was in front of the band. Come on that you
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: was that guy that did displayed. Now, hey man, let's
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: let's let's talk about that man, because that's no joke. Man,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: You're the drum major for a black marching band and
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: an HBCU. Hey brother, than you know, finally somebody understand
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: when you say drum major. They'd be like, oh, the
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: person that played drum major is literally like the Michael
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Jackson of the band. You gotta you gotta be you
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  Speaker 1: gotta know the steps, you gotta know the cues, you
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: gotta know the sections. You gotta be in control. So yeah,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: so you know the gangster of what a drum major is.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: I became a drum major freshman year, and that usually
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: never happens. You gotta be in the gym. Not the gym,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: but you gotta be in a band for at least
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: two years to do that. As I tried out and
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: I made it, and so I was a freshman drum
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: major and so you know, of course I had to
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: be very strong because you have people in the band,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: like what seven years they ain't graduated. Maybe it was
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: just being a band, So yeah, it was. It was
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: a very cool experience by learning so much music, so
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: so many amazing things that you can learn. You learn
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: how to survive that HBCU. You of course get your education,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: but you learn how to make a way out of
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: no way, right, And it's really important you sitting there
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: and look because I don't want to because we talked
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: about HBCUs and I want to go back to that
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: bunching band experience, because that's the cornerstone of what HBCUs
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: are known for. And you know, we know about sports,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: but the bands or that half, I'm shure. And then
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: you then you cast it throwing to HBCU. Well, you
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: know I did undergrad it Miss Valor State and then
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: I did granted Jackson State with Dion Sanders, got him
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: two old tanning up all on the front bas ESPN.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: They undefeated everything. Man, you have to be in Miss
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Valor State home Hall of Famer Jared Rice. Man, you
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: have to be brother. You gotta have some hbc you
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: photos and from your house. It's it's it's a great
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: time for hbc U. My degrees. But the funny thing
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: is coach Todd and he was at my He used
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: to coach at my high school at East Side High
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: in Cleveland, and then when I went into I think
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: he left and went to Valley State. So I marched
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: into Titan Ross Rice Stadium on a weekly basis. So
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: just the just the love and the energy that I
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: got from there. And then of course it was so
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: funny because you know a lot of people like you
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: shouldn't go to two HBCU. You should go to undergrad
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: at one and then maybe you should go to old Mrs. Something.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: But I was like, no, I'm gonna stick. I'm gonna
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: stick from my HBCU and I'm gonna do Jackson State
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: because you know, they say you won't look upon as
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: a serious college student if you went to to h
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  Speaker 1: b c U S. So, thank god out and listened
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: to quote unquote day whoever they are. You know, it's
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: always a day. They said this, they said that, But
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: thank god I didn't listen to them, because I learned
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: a lot at Jackson State as well, and I graduated
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: from grad school at the age of one, came out
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: here and got right into the whole background standing and everything.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it was it's been a journey. I'm just blessed.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: You got a small guy. You know, you're over six ft, right,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: I'm six ft five and a half. Kay, Okay, that's
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: the other thing. See, you want to see you on
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: another level, you know a lot, because you know, a
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: drummage that has to be at least six ft tall,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: And I didn't understand that for the A and M
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: when I first saw them, those dudes, you want to
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: it was like six nine because people have to see you.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, cool, but they had after I left,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: they got a drum major. He was like five two
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: or something. But you have to be tall, so people,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: but then you also have to be able to be
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: tall and move and fluid because agrees what I'm saying
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: that because see, you know, because college prepares you so
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: so many things. And I'm just gonna read something saying
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: that as a freshman you was a drum major at
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: an HBCU mrs A Valley State. Okay, right there. You know,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: the the amount of confidence is overwhelming in a sense
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: because you were blessed to be able to believe in yourself.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Because now you're taking that same courage, the same I've been.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: I've been there before, I've been in front, I've been
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: tested to l a and you're achieving a lot of success.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Like I said, man, and I love what you said
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: when people told you, hey, man, don't do back to back.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: HBC used people will drop in trying. That's why I
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: was up the front. Don't let nobody getting your dreams
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: or playing your future. Not your family, friends, coworkers, nobody.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: That's why I always said it up time and you
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: you speak to truth right now, I'm telling you because
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: if you let anybody put the price on you, everybody
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: loves a clearance cell. They always gonna cheat you. So
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: never let anybody tell you what you can't do. And
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: if you if they tell you, know you're just speaking
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: to the wrong person. So go found that person. Figure
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: it out. But like you said, HBCUs taught me a lot.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: It taught me drive, It taught me focused, and it
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: taught me never to take no for an answer. Um
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: and always there's always a will. Where there's a will,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: there's a way, and hard work always pays off. So
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: even when I got here, I wasn't thinking like, oh,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna get discovered out of gas station. I was like, Okay,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: where do I need? I know there's work to do.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Where do I need to do? Where do I need
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: to go to get that work to make sure I'm
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: where I'm supposed to be. And I went Scott to
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: acting classes and everything else and the rest is history. Okay. Cool?
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: And the cool part about when we're talking here about
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: your career, about going through this whole process of defining you,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: And that's what I love about when when when I
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: try to bring people on the show like My My
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: My Show airs on YouTube airors on Heart, but it
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: also airs on nine HBCU campuses intentionally intentionally and uh
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: and so when we talk about you man and representing
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: and your philanthropy, because we're gonna go we're gonna get
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: talking about a little Black Book. Of course, we're gonna
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: talk about be positive. But I really wanted to talk
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: about you because you're an inspiration brother, you know, inspiration
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: and a very well timed inspiration. And and I want
• 32:38
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• 32:42
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  Speaker 1: got it right here too, somebody. Yeah, the motor of
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  Speaker 1: it all. And it's so funny. I love the way
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: that you say confidence because I felt like I didn't
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: have a lot of confidence growing up. And that's why
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: I wrote these books of um like Blackie came from
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: me not liking my skin color. And so I say
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: all that to say when I went out for the motor,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not doing this. This is crazy.
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  Speaker 1: They're not gonna pick me. Why Me and my best
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  Speaker 1: friend Jamaal Um He was like, tee, you gotta go.
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  Speaker 1: It was raining the l A and something like they
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  Speaker 1: don't be driving like gremlins in the rain. I'm not
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: gonna be driving like forty minutes outside. So I was, okay,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: let me just do it. And I went there and
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: I did it and I got the call back, and um,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: the director was so amazing. The first thing he did
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: he stood up, and that was unusual. He stood up
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: and came to me before I auditioned and gave me
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: a handshake, looked me in my eyes and told me like,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: there was only a couple of people I can see,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: and you was one that I knew I needed to
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: see because of your confidence. And I'm like, oh, but
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: there's a reason for everything. So if I didn't go
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: through all the craziness and you know, the losses and
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: getting all those elves and then having to grow, I
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: would have not been the person I was, and you
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: know the man who I am now to actually even
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: get into the motor of it all because they said
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: he exhumed confidence, and to me, I was like, I'm
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: just being myself, right, yeah, because you have to be confident.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: You have man have motorcycles. You're really looking like who's
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: looking at who are you in his word or in
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: our world? But it's all that, but we got some
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: amazing ones coming up on the fifth te Okay, you
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: guys want to see a way more of his personalities. Okay, cool, Well,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: well let me know because I'm want to dropped that
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: on my social and my news my weekly newsletter too.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: You know, because I will honor you, especially with the
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: fact that you know, I knew in your in your
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: bio is only mentions Mississippi Valley State. So I got
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: a really honor you. You you're you're too tired hbc U.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: You know, so that that's the love I got to
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: give you on that. But that's all I was just
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: saying earlier, is that is that because HBCU and you
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: being a drummy to prepared you and a lot of
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: people trivialized things when it becomes part of your personality,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: part of your success story. And that's all that guy
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: was saying when he walked up to you, he's and
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: you're confident, and then it's been so built into you
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: going out there, going out knowing what you had to do.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Did you said you was a freshman knowing what you
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: had to give? Now I was like, okay, you can
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: do March God. Yeah, I'm telling your best Mr Terrence direct,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: but you don't do it is best with me, brother,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: what because because the beauty of you, man is that
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: is when I when I look at your career. You know,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: we're going to the Bosh, your Amazon, you know, Batwoman,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: you know, the First Wives Club, you know, comedy, you know,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: and then you're playing a character that's not real. You're
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: seeing through it, but you make it real. Because I
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: remember how I told my wife. I said, baby, I
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: was like a kid, I'm gonna interview Mota. She said.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: I said, the black dude who's half man half see
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: that phool man and been such a blessing. Because the
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: funny thing is the grown men. I see grown men
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: now they go crazy about it. So a lot of
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: people think I'm Lebron James. When I have my mask
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: for the guy follows and I always get like a
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: random person followed me through the grocery store. The guy
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: followed me, I was here we go again, and he
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: keen James and I took my mask off. I said no,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: I did take it off. I said no. He just
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: stood there like, let me see my mask off and
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: he screamed, you're so he wouldn't leave. I took a
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: bit with him. But it's like you get the big
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: motorcycle guys, tattoos, the beers. Oh my god, you're the Moltore,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: You're the Moldtour. So it's it's so cool. It's so
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: it's just a blessing to be you know, A right.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: I didn't. I wouldn't never thought. You know, you come
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: out here, you just think you want to do one thing.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: I just want to be on a show or just
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: one show, Give me one show. And that year I
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: was like, just give me one commercial. I end up
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: doing five and two days and then now it's up
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: to almost twenty eight commercials with that amazing it's all,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: it's just all been amazing riding. I think I know
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: the reason I'm blessed because I continue to give even
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: when I may not even have. But at the same time,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: I know how special this is to being in space,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: so I never take anything for granted. Every time I
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: put on that w B LIT I used to watch
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: that when I was a child, So pulling onto those
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: gates every day of the week, it's like I really
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: just I just know I'm blessed. And I know you know,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: I've been there man doing Jamie Foxx, you know, pull
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: it up on therer man. And because very few people
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: allowing that gate, brother, you know that, you know you're
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: walking the gags. Very few of us, you know, in
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: those gates. And so I've been on Paramount Lot, W
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: B Lot, you know all the Sony lots, you know
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: all those blocks. Man, when they say your name and
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: then you come on there so much I go on
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: by Terrence, you know, that's when you go, yeah, man,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: this is just the feeling I want to keep, just
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: the feeling I want to have because that's that's that's
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: a very small club, tarantine and you know that about club,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: and it's a even with the show. This this is
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: a real life and it feels so good because every
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: character I've been blessed to play it's a mirror to
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: real people. And my grandmother was one of dialysis dressed
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: like Diana Ross and she will always say she's making
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: dialysis entertaining, like how that, what's what? And so now
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: I'm literally making dialysis educating people every week, but making
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: it entertaining as well. So it's all it's it's but
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: at the same time, I know it's a responsibility. So
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: even walking I might be going too deep, but even
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: walking on there, I'm like, wow, like the Sydney Portier's
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: and all these amazing people paved the way for me
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: to be here. So I take every day very very
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: serious and that I'm in the space to allow more
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: space for us. Absolutely, and you have to because you know,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: and you know the reason I really enjoyed talking to you.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: You know, first of all, I want to congratulate you
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: on the daytime Emmy, I'll standing support the actor. The
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: digital drives over there and you know what I'm talking about.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: And I tell people all the time I introduced a
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: all the people they'll say, nominated five times, nominated for
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: or Image Award. You know what I'm saying. You know
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So I know, dude, when you win one,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: you best put that in your bio because it's rand.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: It's right. They introduced how they gotta be like Emmy Award.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Because I'm still very humbles, I'm like you want to
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh yeah, yeah. When I get introduced Emmy
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Award where actor, it's like, oh, I'm I can't. I
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: interview a lot of people nominated for Grammy named nominated
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: for and in me, dude, I said, I'm telling you
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: had the longest bio I've ever read. But I said
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: to I gotta tell everybody's story. I'm not I'm not
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: gonna leave anything out. I'm not gonna short change you
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: because I knew you. Knew assist. So I don't know
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: you personally, but your journey needs to be told. And
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: when I when I see these things like you know,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: daytime in me in the drama series, that's what about,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: we're just telling no, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't slutch
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: that I introduced too many people in this show. Just
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: say nominated as a critic. Okay, he's one. Okay. And
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: so because I did that too, I remember, I remember
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: I actually lost one of my Image Awards. You know,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: I lost it, you know what I'm saying because I
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: didn't understand. My head was down, just grinding, grinding, grinding.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: So so I tell people I want two Image I
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: want three Image Awards, but all those one because I
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: don't know where it's that you know. And now, man,
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: because when I won that because I was the first
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: one I won, and I didn't feel to see the
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: value in it until now. So when you said mines
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: right there, hey brother, you damn right is right there
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: because you want you want. That keeps me humble though,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: because even after I wanted my manager Klein, she was.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: She drove me home because I was tired. I was
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: on eight planes that week. Jess wrapped a show I
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: was doing at four am in Atlanta. I got on
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: the plane at six, got here at twelve, got dressed,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: got on his on his red car of it one Emmy,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: and came right back home and went to sleep, and
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: got back on the plane and left the next day.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: So it was it was a whirlwind. And I remember
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: being in a car where her We're driving and she's like,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: and the immage huge, just like this big exct it
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: had in a huge box. And she's like, you know,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: you gotta work even harder now. And I'm like, can
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: I just get a couple of seconds to breathe? And
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: she's like, no, You're gonna have to work even harder
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: because people donna think that you think you don't have
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: the audition to do anything else. And I'm like, oh no,
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: never that, but that comes from the hbc U mindset. Yeah,
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: I mean it's like, okay, cool, thank you so much.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: We got that, but we there's so much more to go.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: I'm talking to the star, Terence Terrail. You know double
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: HBCU are you know? Star? The series Be Positive of CBS,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: produced by the incredible Chuck laury Um. Just just just
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: google his name, you go. This brother's blessed, tears was
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: blessed and he told so the infamous black people. Listen up,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: He's talk. But let's talk about your character. Be Positive man.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: You know you're an athlete. You know that really kind
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: of like being humbled by this being on dialysis talk
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: about you because you really, you know, when these characters,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: you know, when they have a lot of lines, a
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: lot are not? A lot are not? You still have
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: to be able to, you know, give a range and
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: give a thought process to where the characters is. You
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: already got the natural bills, so you look like an athlete.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: In fact, you actually carried the lead out of one episode.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: How small as this guy a pounds was so funny
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: because they said you have picked up so literally. I
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: wasn't trying to, like, I didn't know until I watched
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: it that I threw him up in the air like,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: but when I saw he came, I threw him in
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: the area. But it's so funny because in high school
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: and you know, you go through these different things, and
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: I was skinny in my head, always been this side
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: since I was five. I always look like ahead looking thing.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: So I started gaining weight and getting bigger. I got
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: hit one time playing football in high school and I quit.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: I never played, so now so ironic, I get a
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: football roll and then I get to, you know, shine
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: a light on my grandmother's actual journey through dialysis. And
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: like you said, it's it's a lot of working multi cam.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: I've done single cam, I've done drama. Those are literally
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: a walk in apart compared to multi camp multi cam.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: I'm on set, we're practicing Monday through Wednesday, and then
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: we shoot Wednesday night. We shoot Thursday and Friday. So
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: you're working and you're acting from your toes all the
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: way up to your head, so you're exhausted that night.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: So it's a whole different type of sport. Yeah, that's
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: a sport. Multi cam is like going to the Olympics.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: It's like you have to especially if there's a live audience,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: so you have to make the joke. Hold the joke,
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: because you gotta think about when people laugh, you gotta
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: come back into the next line with the same energy
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: that you left off without dropping. It's a lot because
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: I've done multi can you know, Rode and produced Jamie
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Foxx and Sister Sister, so I know it's a lot
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: of work. And even if you're not in that moment
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: on camera, you gotta stay there because the camera's only Yeah.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: I think I was gonna said last week and we
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: did three weeks straight, usually two weeks on, two weeks,
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: one week off. We did three weeks straight and I
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: was doing my scene with an elite and they said, okay, hole,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Terence moved for the light. I saw her lights. He like,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: no to you, there's two cameras over. Let's talk about
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: your book, man. I don't want to leave this interview
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: without talking about what's like I said, you know, we
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: go through these things and we um we forget how
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: we got where we are, and I feel like you
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: never can forget where you You have to see where
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: you were to know where you're going. So when I
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: first started these books, I was very you know, in
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: the South, we don't go to therapy. We go to church.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: So I end up morning therapy getting some stuff out,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: and I realized that I had a lot of insecurities
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: from childhood, so I didn't like my skin color. I
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: told you about that story. So then I wrote a
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: book about a little dark boy lawns what melanin is.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: It's called Blackie, which I've been called, but I turned
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: into the acronyms be loving the during Karen and kind
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: of yourself about loving yourself, so for little black boys,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: showing them that their kings um. And then I wrote
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: the second one after my mother pass and she's Superheroes
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: every day, educates us on DNA. Then the fourth third
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: book right here we go the Crown kids were bringing
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: all the kids together. And then this last book happened
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: after the George Floyd. Um I was. I'm a mentor
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: for Mrs Tina Knows loss In and Mr Richard Tina's
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Angels and Richard's Law Warriors, and we had the week
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: of George Floyd. The kids we had we meet with
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: them every Monday and they were crying like a Just
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: imagine eighty kids in the zoom call. You see these
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: indows and you can't touch them and hug him and
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: let them know it's gonna be okay because of the pandemic.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: And they were crying and I'm turning my chair. I'm crying,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: as Teena's crying. Everybody's crying, and um, the Asian one
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: of the little girls just like, are they'll kill me
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: because of my I'm black, you know, and I'm gonna
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: be on the news and get shot down because I'm black.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: And I just remember leaving that meeting like what I'm
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: not doing enough. I'm not doing enough. I need to
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: show them that they're special that, you know, And um,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: skin beat came up where when I tried to wash
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: my skin color off, and so that's when I knew
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: animated short that we're going up on Oscar for. And
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: then my Little Black Book, where I'm educating the kids
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: on different things like you know, the Selver Marsh but
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: also all these amazing inventors you know where in the
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: world would literally be dark, you know, because we were
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: responsible for the lightbulb as well. So so my Little
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: Black Book. So it's a series of book and the
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: whole brand is called I Crowned Me because we don't
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: need to wait for anybody to tell us we're special.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: You crown yourself and you tell yourself you're special because
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: in the book, the kids don't get any special powers.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: The power comes from self love and self worth. At
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: the same time, I knew I had to own it,
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: so I own all my books, self published them, so
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: I own them right out. So money, money making conversations, right,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: I got my ownership because we don't get top half
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: of the stuff that other people already know from from birth.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even know what an investment account
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: was until a couple of days ago. I'm still learning.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: But we just have to open our minds to different things,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: like how can we get this book? Is it on
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: your website? Yeah? Here we go, money make coming right,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: So you go to iicrown me dot com, which is
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: my website. At first, I wanted to be on Amazon
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: all these other stuff. But Amazon takes fifty to seventy
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: percent of your money if you sell on there. So
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: I'm like, So I saw a hundred and something books
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: there and I remember getting a check for less than
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: two hundred dollars. This is my work. Why am I
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: getting you seventy per cent of my work? And all
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: y'all doing is put on website. So I was like,
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: let me do my own upsite and make sure you
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: know efficient and so and plus I like to sign
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: each book and let the kids know that I see
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: them physically. It's a lot of work, but I did
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: it that way so I can own my own stuff.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: And now with these conversations coming up this week with
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: dream Works and all these amazing people who want to
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: buy into my bucks or create the series out of it,
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: I it's just me. I don't have to worry about
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: a room full of people who own part of my work.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: It's just me. I own everything all the way down
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: to the eyebrows. I love it, man, And you know
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: the beauty of this interview, Man, it's just talking about
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: a self built person. You know what I'm saying, motivated
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: by and not denied by who you are, because we
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: all get those those those people who those people who
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: try to I call him to step into your dream
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: and making an ugly experience. And you're saying, right now,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: your size wasn't gonna stop you. Where you was born
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: weren't gonna stop you. Your color, your skin wasn't gonna
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: stop you. Then you flip the switch and you're there
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: for people who don't look like you. Yeah, we have to.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: We have to give it back. And we can't fight this,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: this these crazy times with hate. We can't fight the
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: quote unquote racist with Hey, we have to fight them
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: with love and education. So you can't thought somebody for
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: being ignorant to a subject, you know, I mean, we
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: can educate them on that subject. And after you do
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: what you After I give your information, you do what
• 49:23
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  Speaker 1: two dynamic people are Patrice Covington and Rebecca Naomi Jones.
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  Speaker 1: They acclaimed actresses and singers co starring the cast of
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  Speaker 1: Genius Aretha as Irma and Caroline Franklin. My older sister's
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  Speaker 1: name is Carolin, so I love Carolin. Patrice Covington is
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  Speaker 1: an Emmy Award winning actress, singer, teacher, author and model.
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  Speaker 1: Rebecca naoed with Jones and is currently featuring in Those
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  Speaker 1: She has also performing in solo concerts at Lincoln Center,
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  Speaker 1: American Soul Book, and Apollo Cafe. They're dynamic in this
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: series Genius. I saw it in this compelling and I've
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: lived that lifestyle from a musical set and let's tell
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: you about a little background what the Genius series is
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  Speaker 1: all about. It's an Emmy or war whin the anthology
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  Speaker 1: series where they dramatized and fascinating stories behind brilliant innovators.
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  Speaker 1: In this case was Aretha Franklin and h These two
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  Speaker 1: young ladies. I won't say they're young because they're younger
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  Speaker 1: than me and opening now offended by the term young
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: ladies as they're being cast in the role of playing
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  Speaker 1: Aretha's sisters, which can be very frustrated in life. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's like being the sister brother to Tiger Woods or
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: lebron Ja and still participating in that sport. So because
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: both of them are talented singers, and in a sense
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  Speaker 1: it was to me as I introduced them, and there
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: were many layers of stories that I could love to
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: go back and just hear their story. I can go
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: back and just hear a story about c L Aretha's father,
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: but this story is about Rita and her genius. Please
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: working the money making conversations, Patrice Covington and Rebecca Naomi Jumps,
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: thank you, thank you for having us. Well, you know,
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: first of all, um, this first time we talked. But
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: but when you see seven episodes. Uh, in the series
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: is eight episodes. You tend to see and and and
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: and and first of all, being engaged by the talent,
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: the singing talent. Let's let's start there, because that's a
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: gift God gave you. And in this series, you know,
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out are they seen out they
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: live singing? You know, were they really singing? When you start?
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: I felt when you were in that scene where y'all
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  Speaker 1: were standing next to the piano and you were playing
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  Speaker 1: it and you were singing, I felt that you guys
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  Speaker 1: are actually singing that moment, it was I right or wrong?
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: You're right, so so. And in a series where there
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: is so driven by singing, how did these audition opportunities
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: come up to you? Guys? You can answer separately because
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: it's it's it's a it's all you have to say.
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  Speaker 1: When you start building your resume. This is a resume builder.
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  Speaker 1: This is a resume you put up and go okay, wow.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: I was part of that. Because it is an amazing
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: anthology series and it plays out over a series of time.
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  Speaker 1: You have to age a little bit, You have to
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: be a little younger than what you really are so
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: starting with you, Rebecca, talk about the whole process of
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  Speaker 1: coming on board. Sure, I remember that the audition came
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  Speaker 1: to my table at a time when I had a
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: whole lot of other auditions showing up as well. It
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: was must have been Pilot's season, because it was a
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  Speaker 1: really busy time, and this was the only one that
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  Speaker 1: I had this particular week that was a taped audition
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  Speaker 1: instead of a live in person audition with casting. And
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: I remember I felt really swamped, and my boyfriend said,
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  Speaker 1: maybe you shouldn't do this one because it says Caroline
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  Speaker 1: as tall. But you know, something told me that I
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  Speaker 1: should make the tape happen because I saw that Susan
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  Speaker 1: Laurie Parks was attached to it, and she I've known
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  Speaker 1: for many years in theater, and because I knew that
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  Speaker 1: the role required somebody who could sing um, and so
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: I thought, there are a couple of things that are
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  Speaker 1: not my height that could potentially give me a leg
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  Speaker 1: up into this work. And um, you know, I actually
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: said this to someone earlier today. What I loved was
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: that I didn't know anything about Caroline Franklin or Irma
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  Speaker 1: Franklin before getting to work on this material, and Um,
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  Speaker 1: I loved the audition scene because, um, it was a
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  Speaker 1: long scene that took place, uh during Aretha Franklin's fiftieth birthday,
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: and it's between the two sisters, and just this scene
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  Speaker 1: between the two of them gives you so much information
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  Speaker 1: about these sisters, but also their relationship with Aretha and
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  Speaker 1: their relationship with their father and their family as a whole.
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  Speaker 1: And you get a sense in this material of how
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: much they love each other and love their sister, but
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: also um that there is a lot of resentment and
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  Speaker 1: business and complexity that is present in all relationships and
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  Speaker 1: all families. Um So, yeah, it was. It was a
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  Speaker 1: really fun audition to do. And I got to do
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  Speaker 1: an acapella version of rock Steady, which is one of
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  Speaker 1: my favorite reathons and yes, yes, yes, and yeah. So
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  Speaker 1: it was a great time. And then I got to
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: do my screen test in person and it was a
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  Speaker 1: lot of fun, and you know, I was I was
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: hoping I got the job, but of course I felt like, um,
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: the audition experience itself was actually so satisfying that if
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  Speaker 1: I didn't, I did my best and I would let
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  Speaker 1: it go. But I left out petreats. Now, you know,
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: let's not be casual about this when you say singing. Now, see,
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: you had to sing the same thing as they say
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  Speaker 1: in the in the Black Household. You could sang girl
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  Speaker 1: or sang because because at point, you know, like I said,
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: this movie wasn't based on lip sinking. You know, you
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  Speaker 1: had to deliver and then also you had to deliver
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  Speaker 1: a level as to why these ladies could be somewhat
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: jealous of not getting the same opportunities that Areta was getting. Okay,
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: you know, y'all equally attractive, you know, but but she
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  Speaker 1: had a certain extra in her. So talk about your
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: audition practice and bringing that character of Irma to the
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  Speaker 1: to the stage. Yeah, sure so. Um I also loved
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: that audition sing Rebecca. It was such a good one, um,
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: and it really pulled me and pulled in my interest. Well,
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: I was also interested in all jobs at the time
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  Speaker 1: there was I wasn't interested in, but I was particularly
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: interested in this one because at the time I was
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: actually on tour singing background for Christina Aguilera in Vegas,
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: and I was in the Las Vegas hotel room. It
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: was a very hectic time. Much like Rebecca. Um mine
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: was just that we were heard so much, um, and
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: we were traveling so much. I had no time, like
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: zero time at all to get this done. I had
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: no idea, and I'm also on the road with band guys.
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  Speaker 1: How am I going to get this done? You know,
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: Like they don't know how to do a self taped audition,
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: you know. And so thankfully one of my background singing partners,
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: he has a wife who was an actress and she
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: had trained him up to know how to do a
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  Speaker 1: self tape. So I was like, please help me, and
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  Speaker 1: he helped me. We did it. It's probably the quickest
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  Speaker 1: audition I've ever done because I just simply didn't have
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  Speaker 1: the time to analyze the critique, like why did I
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  Speaker 1: do that? And I wish I wouldn't have looked that way,
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• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: was so busy. And so with all that being said,
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  Speaker 1: it was the most evident and most clear time that
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  Speaker 1: I've ever had something be what's for me? It's just
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  Speaker 1: for me. It would never have passed me by because
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  Speaker 1: I didn't have to, you know, analyze and do the
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: most with this tape. So um, you know, I am
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: forever grateful. This is my very first time on TV
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: period and had to row. I've done other things, uh,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: like you know, promos for Broadway shows and such, but uh,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: this is my first time on camera and I'm for
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  Speaker 1: ever grateful for this moment. And you're stepped out there girl.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: Now the beautiful smile. You stepped out there now and
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: in the in this series. Now, Carolyn, your character really
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: wanted to be a reader. I like to believe you
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: you really challenge the norm because the dad who was
• 1:00:52
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• 1:00:59
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• 1:01:07
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• 1:01:09
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• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: is to deliver what you wanted to compete naturally. Talk
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: about that process and making it real. Well, I think, um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, as an actress of a certain level who
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  Speaker 1: has um, you know, done a lot of exciting roles
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  Speaker 1: on Broadway, UM, and done some versions of some some
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  Speaker 1: levels of roles on TV and film. UM, But it's
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  Speaker 1: still in the process of you know, building a career.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of what both Patrise and I
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: were tasked to portray is something that comes naturally for us,
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  Speaker 1: because it is such a journey when you believe you
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  Speaker 1: have something inside of you to offer, and in some
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  Speaker 1: ways that dream is um. You know, that dream is
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  Speaker 1: happy and for you, it's it's coming true and in
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: some ways you're still sort of building it and UM
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  Speaker 1: and and manifesting it and dreaming it and UM. And
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  Speaker 1: I think that these characters really have that. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think they necessarily wanted to be Aretha, but I think
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  Speaker 1: they wanted. I think they wanted to be Irma. They
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: wanted to be Caroline, and they wanted to have all
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: of the opportunity that Aretha had. And I think, UM,
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  Speaker 1: I think that desire and that deep yearning UM, you know,
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  Speaker 1: for your potential to be realized and for your um
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  Speaker 1: star power to be realized is something that we can
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  Speaker 1: sort of easily, you know, dig into and to to
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  Speaker 1: on UM. But yeah, I think, uh, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: think it's also very natural for me to want to
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: dig into this role. My father was also a musician
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: who passed away before realizing all of his dreams and
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: it's it was, it was something that just felt right.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: Now when I want to listen to this PATRICI, She's like,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: just you're talking about this series of an anthology series,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: eight episodes. You know that from forty five minutes, I
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: think the longest episode maybe fifty something minutes. But never,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: never did I feel tax and watching this series. Why
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: would you think someone would want to watch an anthology
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: series want to reach your Franklin. There's so much to
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: uncover about this woman. Her music is truly inbedded in
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: the fabric of our lives. And we know that we
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: love her music. We know she was the Queen and
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: that there's no one better. But her story is so complex,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: it's so multifaceted, it's so beautiful, it's so sad at times.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: It's full of overcoming and conquering, it's full of sisterhood,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: all things that we all need encouragement with all the time. Um,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: what we get to unfold a lot of is about her,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: how act of her activism was. Right now, everybody's trying
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• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: is so much to learn and so much to apply
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: to your life. You know, it's really amazing because I
• 1:04:16
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• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: they were a serious like this great has to be
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: carried by talent. You are two very talented individuals that
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: still out in this series. Then you go to my
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• 1:04:47
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• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: was caught, uh womanizer. He was a part of I
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  Speaker 1: a drug. He uh, he spent the parishioner's money at will.
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  Speaker 1: playing the Wexler character. He was. He was incredible, his talents,
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  Speaker 1: he was He's an original test It was really interesting
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• 1:06:33
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  Speaker 1: I think that, you know, some things we still don't
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  Speaker 1: I mean I've heard rumors of certain things all my
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: life now, my life, of my adult life, you know.
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  Speaker 1: me to learn that everything had a baby at twelve
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  Speaker 1: years old. Um. Those types of stories are always going
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  Speaker 1: to be shocking to someone who's like the queen of soul.
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  Speaker 1: Like you know, I grew up with her music. I
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: knew it was gospel music, and you know, her foundation
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: was was church. So it's definitely shocking. I think that
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: there's so much more to her life though, and what's
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: more important is how she overcame and continued to overcome
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: until she got out of here, like always overcoming. I
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: think that's the most important part. Yeah, I had to
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: fortunate because Steve Harvey and I have managed it for
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: sixty years. I had the blessing of me reading several times.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: And she really did cook fried chicken, by the way.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: I knew that for a fact. But the woman could
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: cook okay, and she loved popcorn too, by the way,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: So when you when you look at a movie like
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: Cynthia Rival who starred in the lead role, and you see,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: so I fell in love with and Harriet. I saw
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: that booby Harriet when she started Harriet Tubman, and I
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: got the opportunity to see how she effortlessly um played
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  Speaker 1: this role. You know, you know when you see a
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  Speaker 1: talent like that, and you know, because we all compare
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: ourselves and say, wow, how does that work? How did
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: I give me some feedback on watching the talent like
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: that because we all have aspirations to be that lead
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: and then seeing her go through the process of aging,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: going through she was she was physically abused, she was
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: you know, she was she was you know, it was
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: her relationship with Dr Martin Luther King. She had that
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: in that process, being a spiritual leader, being a physical leader,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: being a being uh you know, dealing with what happened
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: to her mom in real life. She had She had
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: a see that emotion through the process as well as
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: overall you know, disconnect with her dad. It was a disconnect,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: you know. Then her grandmother, played by the incredible Paul
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: At of Washington. I can't forget not giving her compliments
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: because she was awesome knowna for many years, So give me,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: give me some feedback, and you know your take on
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: it as well. You know, one thing that I loved
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: watching Cynthia was that I think she really was able
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: to dig into um, sort of the quiet self protection
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: that Areta had. I think, um, you know, we were
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: also lucky to receive um Aretha's you know, Aretha's sort
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: of entire soul through her voice, her singing voice, and
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: her music in general and her genius. But um, you know,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: as we all know she's she was a very private
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: person by design and UM, and I think Cynthia really
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: locked into that aspect of her. I think she was
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: really smart about how she was on set and how
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: she dug into this character because she was very quiet
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: about it. She didn't she didn't overly, um, talk too
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: much about it. I think she kept a lot of
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: her work um internal and um. And then we got
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: to see it sort of slowly unravel out of her
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: the way Aretha was in terms of her allowing people
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: to slowly, um, you know, be let in to who
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: she was. And so the same thing happens with Cynthia,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: where suddenly she's singing and this voice opens up and
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: we're getting a real sense of who she is right now,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: you know, And I can't forget T. I T Tip
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: was that boy right there and that he does comedy?
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: Well he I know he could wrapped, but he was
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: he was you know, I was just he was sexy.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: He was six. I'm coming there. Look at that the
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: little mustache and little afro. He was working it. He
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: was working it with that little deep was T. I
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: was T. I was on Bart in the series and
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: my boy Luke James, he dipped in and then a
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: guy gonna tell y'all know character. I was just gonna
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: let y'all know T Eyes in the Bad Boy he clouds.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: Luke James coming there, super sexy you no chocolate drop,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: chocolate drop. We had a very fun day with him.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: You know, you guys, your characters are you know, there's
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: let's let's talk about that stepping back and win and
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: those uh those time you know, complying clothes, you know,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: the bathing suit that you're wearing there, you know, at
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: the pool side with a Wretha and your character, you know,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: you're up there, that nice little outfit singing them songs.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking to Caroline, they fine, you know, I'm going
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: back because I was. I was active in those years,
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: like going like oh they could work and they could work.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: So how about fun did you guys have going into
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: the wardrobe? Rou most fun? Most fun? Jennifer Briant, our
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: costume designer. I just you know, every time I went
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: into a fitting, it was my whole thing was a
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: going joke because I would say, okay, no, this is
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: my favorite. Every time it was my favorite outfit. Um.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: I loved her designs. I felt comfortable, I felt cute,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: I felt sexy. I loved how we grew. You know,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: our fashions grew with us, um but still was appropriate,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: you know, and making us still fly all throughout the years.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: You know, we weren't we weren't poor people, so we
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: had good fancy, very sexy. We loved it. We loved it.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we know. That's why. I just you know
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: when I when they do time pieces, right, you know
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: that they spent the money on this top piece. You
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: know they have the folds looked like they were right,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: and you see no little pieces falling off. Myself, they're
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: working there. They got the budget for the half up
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: in this show. Here the clothes. I get mad time
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: when I see time black people time period pieces and
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: you can see the little hay on the edge kind
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: of popping off the sides A side or right. They
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  Speaker 1: did the money right, they did the same discovery right.
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  Speaker 1: Talk about being involved with a production that said, you
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: know something, We're gonna spend the money and you can
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: leave to treat a Rebecca. Either one you can take
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: lead on this question because it's it's and both of
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: can respond after other response as well. It's really great
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: to be treated special and allowed to tell your story
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: with a budget that allows you to tell the story correct.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. I think it makes such a difference
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: in how you feel like you can do your job
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: because you know that other people are being given the
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: access to do their job right, and so it just
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: makes what you have to do that much easier. It
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: made what we had to do so much easier because
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: Jennifer Bryant had our backs with these beautiful costumes that
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: fit us perfectly, and Miss Louisa was making these wigs
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: that were so stunning but also really fit our natural
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: hair textures of our face shapes, and you know, we
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: had Marietta in the makeup department and her entire team
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: just you know, making our faces look beautiful. But also
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: like we made our faces look that way, not like
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: a makeup team made our Facebook that way. I mean
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: everything was taken care of so we could take care
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: of these characters. Yeah, I would agree with that one.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: And also, you know every all these people who lead
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: these departments were black women. Come on, all of the
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: department heads were black women. They were black women, and
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: they lead, they lead their teams with just the most esteemed.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: They were so distinguished, they were very clear. Um, they
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: made us. I just keep using the word comfortable because
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: I never I never worried about my hair, I never
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: worried about my makeup. Um, I definitely never worried about clothes.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: Like we were comfortable all the time. And if they
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: if there ever were a concerned a question, I would
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: just be like, hey, um my pants are too tight.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: It would give me figgers fans like it was. It
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: was never anything. It was just always because work in
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: in that scene. Long, we're going out with the type
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: and none of that all uncomfortable. I'll with you, let
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: me change these pants. They showing it tight riding upon me.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: But that's but you know, the beauty of watching we
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: were talking. I'm talking to Patrice Covington and Rebecca and
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: Naomi Jones and goings to the anthology series UH called
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: Genius and premiers a national geo U this uh Sunday March.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: Not only am I recommending, I'm just so fortunate to
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: be able to talk to trut talented people because when
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: I get to see something like that and I and I,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: and it takes me to a level of imagination because
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: you guys gifted, You have gifts, and those gifts that
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: you allowed me to share with like seeing you, like
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: like like I knew when you were really singing that
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: going wow, you know, that's that's a blessing. And so
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: I have to believe that you guys understand your blessing
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: and you feel very fortunate to be able to sharing
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: them in the entertainment form like I know this your
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: first television series and applause And but again, it's gonna
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: be more, it's gonna be movies. And I know, you know,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: you have to doing your thing, you know, miss thing,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: you know, But but how how is life? What's the
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: future for each one of you? Gonna go first, Pecca.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: The future is fabulous. Uh you know, the fab the fabulous,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: the fabulous. Come on. I can assure you that, Um yeah,
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: they're they're a little little projects coming coming more uh
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: here and there that I'm not sure if I'm allowed
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: to speak about yet. But you know, I'm still waiting
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: for that next big thing. But I'll let you know
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: and and guess what. Feel free to come on my show.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: I'd like to believe that developed a relationship with you
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: to that allows to I trust the opportunities. And I've
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: been an entertainment business, you know, started writing no TV
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: shows a ninety two. I know how this thing works.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: Sometimes all the auditions come on the same day and
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: then they go months there's no audition, and you'll be going, God,
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: what's going on? I've been broke for six months now.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: The day I ain't broke, I got five auditions and
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: didn't get none of them. So what what? What? What
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: are we going with this? And that's the really Patricia.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: You can expound just some just life and just tell
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: people who try to make this business work for themselves,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: what enthusiastic what points of support can you give them? Advice?
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: When you hit those low points because the highs are
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: incredible and it's worth it. But when you hit those
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: low points, you gotta dig out of and realize that's
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: part of the process. Yeah, Well, in this business we
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: have way more nose than yes. I mean, we audition.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you can audition four or five seven times a
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: week and get nothing. When I booked this job, it
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: was the only job I booked that year outside of
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: you know, background singing and doing other things. You know.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: But I think what's important is creating and not waiting.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: That's one, speaking things as if they already are, and
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: then just always being generous with light. So I have
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: this um this saying this model that is trademarks are
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: don't try to steal it, Russian McDonald. It's don't be
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: a star being a galaxy. Now I saw that now,
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: So what that means, It's means so many things. When
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: I first created it, it was about you know, just
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: being being sparkly and you know, being a star. But
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: as as the years have gone on, it has gone
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: on to me and just sharing, like, you know, if
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: Rebecca and not see an audition that we think is
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: right for the other, I'm gonna tell Rebecca I know
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: that what's mine is mine. It will never pass me by.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: I'm always gonna shine light on her talent because I
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: think she's an amazing talent. No star shines bright without
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: the next star next to it shining. There's so much more,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: There's enough for everybody. So I just think, when what
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: you give out is what you get in, what you are,
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: what you will receive. So um, just keep being nice,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: believed that karma is a real thing and create. Don't wait,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: Okay has spoken your pockets and give me all your offer.
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  Speaker 1: If you cem, we'll be asking for Franklin. We'll be
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  Speaker 1: asking for according to be fans, and I be reefly
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: remiss not to talk about the very talented young actress
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: who played the role of the young Aretha Franklin who
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: carries her because you know this, this is an anthology,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: so they do a lot of flashbacks. So just because
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: you see a character in the first episode, you're gonna
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: see him throughout the hoax episode because you're doing because
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: it allows you to see what makes Areta at this
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: point of her life, what happened in her life at
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: that age that made her either hard, made a sophomore,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: the emotional maybe made her not trust anybody, because that
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: was a big thing about trust in her life. You know,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: that came up with Ted, and it came up with
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: her father cl so enclosing. Rebecca, you know, you know,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: you know, Deacon Deacon, Deacon treats and spoke now, uh
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  Speaker 1: ch just to day. You know she's passed to play.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: But ain't nobody putting no money in it yet? Okay, Rebecca,
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: they're looking at the plate. They're gonna sit. We bring
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: us on home. This is area the Genius series they're
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: gonna premier on National g Oh Marching the first starring
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: Patrice Coverton, Rebecca nail Me Jones. Bring me on home, girl.
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  Speaker 1: I'm at the altar. I just want to join the church.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: Come on, you know thing. You guys are amazing the
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: heck with all these compliments. I watched all seven episodes
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: on Sunday. Okay, I'm just telling you. I I started
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: at one o'clock in the middle of March madness, and
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: I didn't stop. I forgot watching basketball. And soon you
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: watch one episode, you know, you know Netflix at you'all
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: wired up, you know, into binge watching, and I go, okay,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: I'm going okay, okay, Episode two, Episode three, Okay, I
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: look at the minute forty five and I got forty
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: five minutes. I didn't not finished till nine thirty last night,
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: and I was mad because they only sent me seven
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: episode and it's the episode serious because I gotta wait
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: till the end and it's gonna be worth it. I'm
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: passing the passing the information line about high grade this seriously.
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  Speaker 1: More importantly, I got to introduce America and my fan
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• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: are going to continue. And know I'm a fan. And
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: when I say I'm a fan, your boy, I got
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: six sisters, Okay, I got six tiers of our older
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: name is Caroline, So you know there's some love in
• 1:22:18
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  Speaker 1: us pulling our dollars together to achieve a common goal.
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  Speaker 1: Now I'm going to be able to go to each
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  Speaker 1: and every one of them because the understanding group of
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  Speaker 1: economics and sharing and say, hey, there's this there's this
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  Speaker 1: block that has all these in the buildings. How about
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: all of our partners. Let's all of us put our
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  Speaker 1: money together and let's all buy that block together and
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  Speaker 1: we all have a piece of that ownership. The Cafe
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  Speaker 1: Mocha Squag Award represents men who have strength, whose wisdom
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  Speaker 1: is asserted, and who is genuine in their spirit. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: back to Money Making Conversations with your host, Rashaan McDonald,
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  Speaker 1: my guest dog, Dr Willy Jolly and d Taylor Jolly.
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  Speaker 1: They are the authors of the Make Love, Make Money,
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  Speaker 1: Make It Last book tend Secrets to the Shape a
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  Speaker 1: Great Marriage. Please, welcome to Money Making Conversation the world.
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  Speaker 1: We're now Hall of Fame speaker and best selling author
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  Speaker 1: Dr Willy Jolly and the c O O. Willie Jolly Worldwide.
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  Speaker 1: De Taylor Jolly, how y'all doing very well? Pleased, the
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  Speaker 1: grateful and glad to have you as my friend for
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  Speaker 1: all these years, and we are honored to be able
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  Speaker 1: to be on with you and honored to be able
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  Speaker 1: to share some ideas with your audience hopefully will empower, inspire,
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  Speaker 1: and let's stair relationships in that marriage. Well, first of all,
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  Speaker 1: I got I gotta go to D first, you know,
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  Speaker 1: because I read the book. You know, because I knew
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  Speaker 1: D had swag. When she had a two eight e
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  Speaker 1: Z dot DOTR too e Z. I said, okay, okay, now, okay, now,
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  Speaker 1: because that was the car I have, Willie. Doctor to
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  Speaker 1: a d C. You had to have a little money
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  Speaker 1: in your bake. You had to have a little flat
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  Speaker 1: bo girl. Hey, Willie, you couldn't tell her nothing when
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  Speaker 1: she had adopted two e Z, could you? You're right,
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  Speaker 1: You're right, and you're drove it into the ground, you
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  Speaker 1: know that's true. When I got married to her, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of driving it and I just drove it into
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  Speaker 1: the absolutely yeah right when you looking ahead, class and
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  Speaker 1: style and to a e Z? What color was the
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  Speaker 1: d what color was it? It was? Person? It special,
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  Speaker 1: a special honor, a specialnor. You know, I took a
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  Speaker 1: lot of fun. That's why I wanted to start off
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  Speaker 1: with the with and talking about some of the things
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  Speaker 1: that I felt were engaging about your book or personal
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  Speaker 1: about the book. Because when you write a book like that,
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  Speaker 1: it has to be honest and and and and sometimes
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: telling your story. It takes moments because you know, as
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  Speaker 1: you keep writing a book, you start, oh, let me,
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  Speaker 1: let me add this, so you start remembering a part
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  Speaker 1: of a story that you actually forgot that becomes an
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  Speaker 1: important part of the book. And and sitting down as
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  Speaker 1: a couple because I love what it says. What will
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  Speaker 1: it say? Is what D says. So each one of
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  Speaker 1: you as a couple saw things differently, but worked as
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  Speaker 1: a unit to succeed. Correct. Absolutely, you're right, and once
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  Speaker 1: she was one of the challenges. You know, I've read
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  Speaker 1: a number of books, many of them uh global bestsellers.
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  Speaker 1: It only takes a many change of life setback as
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  Speaker 1: a setup for comeback, turned setbacks into greenbacks and attitude
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  Speaker 1: of excellence chicken soup for the Christian soul. Writing one
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  Speaker 1: with my wife was really difficult because she typically has
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  Speaker 1: been my editor of all my books, and so when
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  Speaker 1: we went to write this one, it was challenging because
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  Speaker 1: I have my own voice, and I had never that
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  Speaker 1: I had my own voice and that I was not
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  Speaker 1: simply editing what he said. So we we struggle for
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  Speaker 1: a little while to we figured out our speed and
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  Speaker 1: how it's going to work, and then we would look
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  Speaker 1: at the ten principles that we had developed over these
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  Speaker 1: thirties six years or at that point it was about
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  Speaker 1: thirty thirty two years, thirty three years when we wrote
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  Speaker 1: the book. Also and uh, then once we got the
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  Speaker 1: principles lined up, who said, Okay, I will write my
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  Speaker 1: part or my take, Orange write her take. And that's
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  Speaker 1: when it really found magic. Not one other fact when
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  Speaker 1: we wrote the but we've been married for thirty six years,
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  Speaker 1: haven't had an argument, and over thirty three years now,
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  Speaker 1: those first couple of years with like World War three,
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  Speaker 1: I learned some principles that helped us stop arguing and
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  Speaker 1: get to loving each other. And I thought, she's staring
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  Speaker 1: at you, and she's staring at you, Willie. She's staring
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  Speaker 1: at you while you talking. Now, I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: all that's working in the direction you know the book is,
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  Speaker 1: Willie says, And D says. I think that was a
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  Speaker 1: D says, stands she was given she wanted to say
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  Speaker 1: about it. We got the principle, but we had to
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  Speaker 1: then embrace them. Go ahead, baby, I'm a former school
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  Speaker 1: teaching too. Absolutely so the nonverbal communication but embracing versus
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  Speaker 1: actually implementing the two different things right. So we had mentors,
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  Speaker 1: we had information, but we had to decide that we
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  Speaker 1: wanted to do this and that we wanted to work
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  Speaker 1: through it together. I would say that the most difficult
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  Speaker 1: part of the development of our relationship is actually how
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  Speaker 1: we communicate. Because Willie speaks for a living and he
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  Speaker 1: writes books in the life, so sometimes it can be
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  Speaker 1: overpowering until you pulled back and say, let's wait a minute. Now,
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  Speaker 1: here's what I have to say, and this is how
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  Speaker 1: I need you to communicate with me. And that came
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  Speaker 1: to a head over the Chinese food. Yeah, the biggest,
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  Speaker 1: the biggest challenge to our marriage came one night in
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  Speaker 1: a Chinese restaurant where we carry carry out when we
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  Speaker 1: almost broke up. And it's one of the biggest points
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  Speaker 1: in our marriage. And we talked about that three boulders
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  Speaker 1: that break up marriage, sex, money, and communication and communication
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  Speaker 1: is the three that we've through all of those, and
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  Speaker 1: we almost came to to end of our marriage over
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  Speaker 1: Chinese food. What basically happened was her family was coming
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  Speaker 1: to visit. I wanted to impress my brother right to
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  Speaker 1: d C. I'm a nice little southern girl from Hampton, Virginia,
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  Speaker 1: my father said, was a pastor and the like. And
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to simply impress my brother and his wife
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  Speaker 1: that we were doing okay, and we were doing well.
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  Speaker 1: And he said he. I said, what do y'all want
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  Speaker 1: for them? And he said, how about Chinese? Y'all got
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  Speaker 1: good Chinese restaurants And they don't have a lot of
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  Speaker 1: Chinese restaurants in the city where she's from and a
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  Speaker 1: southern city. I said, got you. I'm a Chinese food
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  Speaker 1: of ficiato, an expert, right all the spots. Now, she said,
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  Speaker 1: you like sushi. She be educating the sushi with you. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so I know you got it. You read it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I also know that you were introverted as well, so
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  Speaker 1: you were going you. So we got to the restaurant.
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  Speaker 1: I told her, here's what we need. She said, no,
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  Speaker 1: we need more. I said, no, this is all we need.
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  Speaker 1: Know we need more? And I he was cheap. I'n't
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  Speaker 1: known for being strategy like a dollar hollow right right, right,
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  Speaker 1: right right, I said, here before we need and I
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  Speaker 1: got loud. I got loud. Unacceptable behavior for him to
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: get loud with me, and so it got loud and
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: more intense, and finally it got I was fever pitch,
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  Speaker 1: I was hollering, and she said, I will leave you married, folks.
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  Speaker 1: Here's a word I want you to learn. Dial it back,
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  Speaker 1: little phrase, dialing back. I said, dollar back, dollar value.
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  Speaker 1: He ordered everything that I thought we should have, went home,
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  Speaker 1: had dinner the end of the night, after everybody eating,
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  Speaker 1: we had leftovers. How much A lot, A lot. He
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  Speaker 1: doesn't like having Chinese leftovers because he says they're knocking
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  Speaker 1: the next step. But he was right. It was too much.
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  Speaker 1: And so when they left, we said, let's talk. You
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  Speaker 1: said he had to have a conversation, which was the
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  Speaker 1: very wise thing on his birthday. I said, we need
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  Speaker 1: to talk about this, and she said very clearly, I
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  Speaker 1: don't like anybody. I'm a daddy's girl. My daddy, Fire
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  Speaker 1: Bramstone Minister never raised his voice to me, always sweet,
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  Speaker 1: loving kind my brother, and I always said, you and
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  Speaker 1: you went this big time talker, this big time talker
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  Speaker 1: over here, he talks to thousands. That's that's Willie. He
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  Speaker 1: a big time talker, right you you know you pe k,
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  Speaker 1: big time talker. P K at the restaurant. He became
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  Speaker 1: a big time talker. MS introverts stepped up a game.
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  Speaker 1: There you go, and I said, and she said, I
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  Speaker 1: don't like people all at me. And I said, got it.
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  Speaker 1: And and now that I've got yours, let me tell
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  Speaker 1: you mine. I don't like people threatening to leave me,
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  Speaker 1: and don't don't threaten me. And so we made a
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  Speaker 1: we made an agreement. I said, I will never hauler
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  Speaker 1: at you again, and she said, I'll never threaten to
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  Speaker 1: leave you. And that's been over thirty three years. We
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  Speaker 1: haven't had an argument since. We don't always agree, but
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  Speaker 1: we've learned how to have systems that will help us
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  Speaker 1: to disagree without being disagreeable. And that's a chapter in
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: the book that you disagree without being disagreeable there really
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  Speaker 1: there really isn't also isn't it also being disrespectful to
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  Speaker 1: in that part right there? You know? Which I which
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  Speaker 1: I like about the book is that you know it's
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  Speaker 1: all about communication when you said it earlier, Willie, because
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: they're really communication and money, communication and big communication with
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: your kids, communication when you work all that, if you
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  Speaker 1: don't communicate, and that was my biggest takeaway from this
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  Speaker 1: whole book was that you guys have mastered the art
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  Speaker 1: of communication. And that's what you're telling everybody. If you
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  Speaker 1: don't communicate, you can be two different people. And I
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  Speaker 1: love when you're talking about you know, he liked this
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  Speaker 1: type of food. I wasn't a sushi love. I had
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  Speaker 1: to be brought home to that side of the table.
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  Speaker 1: And then when you got to the whole part about
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: his daughter shared that's the point where I had the
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  Speaker 1: most fun in the book because d I didn't know you,
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  Speaker 1: but it is so vivid, it is so colorful. You're
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: driving at five hours to pick up his daughter, and
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  Speaker 1: you wouldn't one hundred be sent in the club of
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: going backgether, like you said, the ex wife made her bad.
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  Speaker 1: As you said, sleep in it. You know, blending family
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  Speaker 1: raises can be very challenging, and and and marriages where
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: you're blending up families. She had been back before I
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: had a child, before I got married, and we had
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: to blend all of this and it was very challenging.
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  Speaker 1: But again, it was the communication. It was the wise
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  Speaker 1: counsel of my mom, a mentor. When I called her
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: and said what Willie was going to do? He was
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: going to go pick up Sherry. I'm like, the house
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: is calm, everybody gets along. Well, why are you doing this?
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  Speaker 1: And my mother said to me, I think what you said?
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: She said, this is your mama said, you want to
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  Speaker 1: be married to a man that wants to be responsible
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: to the children that he brought into this world. That's
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: what your mama took. Why would you want a man
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: like that? Why would you respect a man like that
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: while you wouldn't love a man like that. That's what
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: your mama said in this book. Did I read? Yes,
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: you read that. That was her mama. And let me
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  Speaker 1: tell you something. It was the key because her mother
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: made the difference, and so you know that communication. Look,
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: the communication chapter is probably the biggest chapter, and we
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  Speaker 1: give that away free. Everybody. Want to give it to
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: all your listeners on people who are viewing it can
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: go to Jolly marriage dot com. Jolly marriage dot com
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: get the free chapter from that book and we'll bless you.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: And if you choose to get the book, we recommend
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: you get two copies going for each of you. We've
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: had so many couples who were on their way to
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: divorce court who was saying, we're gonna try one more time.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: They've got two copies and at the end of each
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: chapter they would talk about what they learned. And we've
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: had so many calls afterwards. In one particular call and said,
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: we've been married fifteen years and we are not only
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: not divorcing, but when we got to the end, we
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: closed the book and we cried together because we realized
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: we really didn't know much about each other. So we
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: want to give that away Jolly marriage dot com. If
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: ever we talk about sex, chapter chapter eight, Chapter eight,
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: Chapter eight, now I know about that chapter. Now chapter
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: the hot chapter, I think because it's titled sex, Headaches
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: and Other Lives, he gets a lot of ten. But
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: sex is not just intercourse, absolutely absolutely the intimacy which
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: women need more so than the man, and it takes
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: us along the road ending up with sex that intercourse.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: But women need the words, they need the roses, they
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: need the tenderness, rose, they need the sweet talk. Look
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: at you, look at you too much? You too much,
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: but it makes me want to be close to him.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: You know the thing about it. Times we forget, but
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: then all of the confusion and chaos, including the pandemic,
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: we forget kind words, something tender, It actually draws the
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: woman in and helps develop romance. Right, And I tell brothers, brothers,
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  Speaker 1: if you want some action to night, you need to
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: start working on it. In the morning, thank you. Stop
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: working the therd. And in the morning, I take her
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: a smooth ye and the running a couple of office.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: But she's at her desk. I sent her a little
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: text from my offer to her. She show across the
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: hall from each other. Yeah, I said, you sure look
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: good today. Make a big difference and and it will
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: work better for you, gentlemen if you do it in
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: that process, not just coming at the last minute at night. Gone,
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: you're ready. You're that don't work. That don't work in
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: this world. You gotta be more thoughtful and caring and
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: tender to make a word of difference in your love life.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: You'll stopping. I'm trying to interview you, y'all. I got this.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: I read the book. I know, y'all love. I know
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: this might communication with some people that need telling each other.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: That's care. Will it stop? It? Okay? Now, Now let's
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: talk about communication, because I want to go back a
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: little bit to the sharing situation, because that was important,
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: because it was about communication, because it was one person
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: accepting another young lady who was hostile because she didn't know.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: You know, the mom threw our hands up after she drunk,
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: and I was I always remember it was a very
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: similar situation with my my older sister. I we moved
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: her daughter in and we set rules, and then six
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: months later she made the phone call. They treat me
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: like I'm in prison. They they won't let me go out,
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: they won't and then of course, hey, the sister came
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: got her. And I always regret that I didn't put
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: up a bigger fight because I felt that she would
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: have lived a different life if she would have been
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: with us. And then but you had to change. That's
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: the adjustment in communication. You know, we could joke around
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: about the love, but this is the communication and accepting
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: situations that you may not be comfortable with. And that's
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: really what I took away when I read about the
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: situation with Sherry. Do you are not comfortable? And also
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: whether you are not comfortable because you had to mediate
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: two people you love, but also had to have discipline,
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: and then indeed you had to admit you had to
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: accept some of the rulings that he put in place
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: to make this thing work. So there was acceptance, there
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: was a human communication, and also accepting the ability to
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: feel uncomfortable for the bigger goal. That was the most
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: amazing part of the book for me because I took
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: away so many different levels. That's that's great insight. And
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: I think that you have to be willing to accept
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: your own limitations and really who you are, Because if
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: I had not been willing to say, I'm like, I'm
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: doing this because I believe in and willing right, I'm
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: married him, I don't agree. We talked about that because
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: he's my best friend. The whole idea I gotta do
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: all I can to save my daughter. I had to
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: be on board, which meant I had to do the
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: right thing whether I felt it or not. And that
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: I think is so major. We get many of us
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: blended families. We get caught up in the emotions and
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: so we get carried away to the wrong things. We
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: know the right things to do, we must do the
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: right things, and then gradually the emotions come in and
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: the situation changes hopefully. And we talked about better in
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: this chapter called how to Handle a Stalemate, and it
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: is a great object lesson on when you have two
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: people who have opposite. And that's something that we decided
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: on before we got married. Really had already talked about
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  Speaker 1: that in terms of this is not really it's fifty one.
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  Speaker 1: You know, that might not be a popular position today,
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  Speaker 1: but one you can't have a two headed You could
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  Speaker 1: have a two headed monster, but then you've got a monster.
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  Speaker 1: So how do we work through this? We worked through
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  Speaker 1: it by deciding early on. I said to her, look,
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  Speaker 1: you run everything, run the house, run the business. All
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  Speaker 1: I want you to do is to make me think
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  Speaker 1: I'm in charge. I feel like that was such a
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  Speaker 1: wise statement on the part of this young man, so
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  Speaker 1: I said, let me think I'm in charge. And I said,
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  Speaker 1: but what I will ask for is vito power. And
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  Speaker 1: when we are at at at a place where we
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  Speaker 1: both are a stalemaker, and all I ask you is
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  Speaker 1: give me vito and I promise you, I promise you
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  Speaker 1: I will never abusic. And in thirty six years of marriage,
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  Speaker 1: I've used it maybe two or three times. Always related
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  Speaker 1: to the children, Always related to the children, always related
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  Speaker 1: to the children, everything else we got. And I learned
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  Speaker 1: this from my my, my mom and dad. Uh with Sean.
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  Speaker 1: When my dad would be driving down the road my
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  Speaker 1: mom would be in the passenger seat. And you remember,
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  Speaker 1: back in old days they didn't have the head and
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  Speaker 1: left and you had that one rear view mirror. You
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  Speaker 1: didn't have one on that side. And and we're riding
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  Speaker 1: down the street and he said, can I get over?
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  Speaker 1: And my mom will wrote that window down and stick
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  Speaker 1: her head out to win. And she said either yes
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  Speaker 1: or no. And he would take his action dependent on
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  Speaker 1: what she told because they were teammates and they made
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  Speaker 1: decisions together. So I took that object lesson when we
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  Speaker 1: got married, said, look, you're my teammate. Nine times out
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  Speaker 1: of ten when you say we can get over, can
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna listen to you because you're always in it
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  Speaker 1: for our best good. But that one time we have
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  Speaker 1: a difference. And I know moral if this was a
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  Speaker 1: moral decision, not emotional decision with my daughter who was
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  Speaker 1: acting up and her mama called and said you gotta
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  Speaker 1: come get her, and D said, no, I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to do it. This was a critical moral decision. I said,
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  Speaker 1: we gotta do it. It's the right thing. I know
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  Speaker 1: it's hard, but we gotta do it. And this is
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  Speaker 1: one of those times I gotta use veto power and
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: she said okay, once we here's a big thing, with
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: big thing. Once we said yes, she was all in.
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  Speaker 1: But that is with anything where once you make the
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  Speaker 1: decision okay, I want to go right, I want to
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  Speaker 1: go left, I want a you want be Once you
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  Speaker 1: come to an agreement, you both have to be all in.
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  Speaker 1: So even if it didn't turn out right, I had
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  Speaker 1: to make sure that I had done everything in my
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  Speaker 1: power that I could do to make it a success,
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  Speaker 1: so that he could never say, well, you know, d
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  Speaker 1: you didn't do No, this is a joint effort and
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  Speaker 1: we rise or fall together. And if it had gone
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  Speaker 1: south and it hadn't worked out and didn't work out,
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  Speaker 1: work out fine. But if it had gone south, I
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  Speaker 1: also knew she would never say to me, I told
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  Speaker 1: you so, but that that you know, I already wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: know that fact. He wants to be told I messed up,
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: and you told me before, and now you're gonna remind
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  Speaker 1: me again. That takes the airport's story. Oh we have
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  Speaker 1: so many stories the flight right right, And that was
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  Speaker 1: my fault. I was. I knew it all, I had it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm a travelic hour And I said we'll
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  Speaker 1: get that fine enough time. We don't need to leave early.
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  Speaker 1: She keeps saying we need to leave. I got it,
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  Speaker 1: and we get caught in traffic. We missed the flight,
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: and we're standing there and he's using all his persuasive
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  Speaker 1: powers to get on the flight. Doors are closed and
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: getting ready to pull back from the gate. Right. I say,
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  Speaker 1: not a word as you say. And we eventually got
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: a connecting flight to get us to the place where
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: I had to speak the next morning. But at midnight
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: we got in where we could have been in at
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  Speaker 1: six six pm. I love, but she's a reminder. Though
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: she's a reminder, though you know what I'm saying. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not saying anything. I was already thinking I would beat
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: myself out, but I love learned from that she had
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: my back even when I messed up. I want want this.
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  Speaker 1: I want to say to two spouses that you can
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: have each other's back even when you mess up, because
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: they know they messed up. I want to ask you
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: this question because you know, because it's the point, and
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: because my wife will go to church. I'm not the
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: church corps and one of the one of the you know,
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: recommendations of the ten points is make God an equal
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: part of your marriage. I'm not saying it was not
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: an equal part. And I want I want help with this,
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: and I wanted to help the UH, my viewers and
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: my listeners when you talk about God, because you talk
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: about certain points that you prayed and your decisions were
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: brought through prayer, and I want help us through that
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: whole process. When you say something like that, this is
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: this is a principle. Now, look what we talked about
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: in this book at ten principles. Now we wrote our
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: ten principles. But then after I thought the book was finished,
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: we went an interview people made from married forty fifty
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  Speaker 1: six seventy years and one of the things they all
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: said was make God an equal part of your marriage.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: They said that the marriage is like a triangle. It
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: has three corners. This is me, this is the and
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: this is God up the top. Now this is thirty
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: three percent. This is thirty three percent, but that's only
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: what's left is thirty four per and that's God. And
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: so he has the majority ownership of the marriage. And
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: so he gives us these principles that work if we
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: were use them. Now, so we practice the concepts that
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: come from the from the Bible. Then the principles on marriage.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: Now here the principal principles work their bed rock. They
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: work over and over again. I throw this rock up,
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: throw this rock up every time. He's going to come
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: down every time, not doing a hundred times, a million times,
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: ten million times, because of a principle called gravity. These
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: principles work, They work over time, over time, and over
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: time because they are bedrock principles. Take romance. Romance is Slomon,
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: that's right, the song of Solomon. So there are lots
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: of principles, and the Bible says the bed should not
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: be undefiled, that that you gotta a brother, gotta get
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: hooked up. That's what it means. That's right. The difference
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: between sex and their must intimacy. Okay, women need intimacy
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: and security. Man needs sex and respect. And they are
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: principles that are going to be all the time because
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: even the scientific study show that men think about sex
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: seventeen times a day on average, and sometimes before breakfast.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: So we know that that is the case. So what
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: we say to married couples is understand that these principles
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: are bedrock. They work in the words, so we trust
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: God through our marriage and we run it through that prison.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: Everything through that about these raising kids how to be
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: sweet to each other, And I say, how to me
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: those words, how to be sweet to each other? But
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: the tenderness, the the what second from the breast and
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: all that romantic stuff like that. I love you. I
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  Speaker 1: want to thank y'all, man, Please thank you for First
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