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Comey Indicted for Lying under Oath in response to my Questioning plus Sniper Targets Dallas ICE Facility · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome. It is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson
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  Speaker 1: with you. Nice to have you with us wherever you
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  Speaker 1: are around the country, especially if you're listening on radio
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  Speaker 1: right now as well. We've got a pack show and
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  Speaker 1: Senator I don't even know if you thought that it
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  Speaker 1: was going to be all about you with the James
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  Speaker 1: Comy indictment. He has been indicted for alleged false statement,
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  Speaker 1: substruction of congressional proceedings. This is obviously, as you would say,
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  Speaker 1: a big damn deal, and the clip of you talking
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  Speaker 1: to James Comy is what everyone's playing on TV right now.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Bennett's a momentous day. The former director of the FBI,
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  Speaker 2: James Comy, has been indicted on two counts of lying
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  Speaker 2: to Congress under oath and lying to Congress under oath
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  Speaker 2: to be clear in response to questioning from me in
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  Speaker 2: front of the Senate Judiciary Committee. The grand jury has
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  Speaker 2: indicted him. He's facing prosecution, and we are seeing the
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  Speaker 2: media losing their minds. The media is letting out a
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  Speaker 2: primal scream of horror. The Democrats are horror. We're going
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  Speaker 2: to break down exactly why James Comy has been indicted.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to give you the factual predicate. We're going
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  Speaker 2: to give you the legal predicate, and I will tell
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  Speaker 2: you James Comy is defending himself, and he's defending himself
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  Speaker 2: as a partisan, as someone who hates Donald Trump. He
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  Speaker 2: is defending himself as if he were Chuck Schumer or
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  Speaker 2: Nancy Pelosi, rather than actually addressing the facts that I
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  Speaker 2: believe demonstrated he committed deliberately committed felonies when he testified
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  Speaker 2: and falsely testified under oath to the United States Senate.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to give you all those details. We're also
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  Speaker 2: going to talk about the tragic shooting that happened when
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  Speaker 2: a deranged sniper targeted an ICE facility in Dallas, Texas.
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  Speaker 2: I was on the ground there moments after the shooting occurred.
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  Speaker 2: This is yet the latest incidence of politically motivated violence
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  Speaker 2: and violence directed against ICE agents and CBP and law enforcement.
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  Speaker 2: This is getting worse and worse, and this must stop.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to tell you exactly what happened and give
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  Speaker 2: you all the facts.
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  Speaker 1: want to start with this clip, and I think this
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  Speaker 1: is a great starting point for this indictment of the
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  Speaker 1: former REPBI director James Comy. This is you questioning Comy
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  Speaker 1: back in September of twenty twenty. Uh. This is the
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  Speaker 1: back and forth between the two of you. Everyone listening.
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  Speaker 1: This is really an important and part of history now
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  Speaker 1: and could probably be an important part of this case.
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  Speaker 2: To another topic. On May third, twenty seventeen, in this committee,
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  Speaker 2: Chairman Grassley asked you point blank, quote have you ever
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  Speaker 2: been an anonymous source in news reports about matters relating
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  Speaker 2: to the Trump investigation of the Clinton investigation? You responded,
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  Speaker 2: under oath quote never, he then asked you, quote, have
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  Speaker 2: you ever authorized someone else at the FBI to be
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  Speaker 2: an anonymous source in news reports about the Trump investigation
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  Speaker 2: or the Clinton administration? You responded again under oath No. Now,
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  Speaker 2: as you know, mister McCabe, who works for you, has
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  Speaker 2: publicly and repeatedly stated that he leaked information to the
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  Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal and that you were a directly aware
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  Speaker 2: of it and that you directly authorized it. Now, what
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  Speaker 2: mister McCabe is saying and what you testify to this
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  Speaker 2: committee cannot both be true. One or the other is false.
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  Speaker 2: Who's telling the truth.
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  Speaker 4: I just can only speak to my testimony. I stand
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  Speaker 4: by what the testimony you summarized that I gave in
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  Speaker 4: May of twenty seventeen.
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  Speaker 2: So your testimony as you've never authorized anyone to leak,
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  Speaker 2: And mister McCabe, if he says contrary, is not telling
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  Speaker 2: the truth. Is that correct?
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  Speaker 4: Again, I'm not going to characterize Andy's testimony, but mine
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  Speaker 4: is the same.
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  Speaker 2: Today, all right, I'm going to make a final point
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  Speaker 2: because my time has expired. This investigation of the president
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  Speaker 2: was corrupt. The FBI and the Department of Justice were
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  Speaker 2: politicized and weaponized, and in my opinion, there are only
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  Speaker 2: two possibilities that you were deliberately corrupt or wilfully incompetent,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't believe you were incompetent. This has done
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  Speaker 2: severe damage to the professionals and the honorable men and
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  Speaker 2: women at the FBI, because law enforcement should not be
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  Speaker 2: used as a political weapon.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So you listen to that, and then you'll
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  Speaker 1: look at the indictment. Count one false statement to the
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  Speaker 1: US Senate that he had not quote authorized someone else
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  Speaker 1: of the FBI to be an anonymous news source. Count
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  Speaker 1: two call me obstructed the Judiciary Committee's investigation through his
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  Speaker 1: quote false and misleading statements. That is a big smoking gun.
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  Speaker 2: Well it is. It's the basis of the indictment and
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  Speaker 2: this will be the central focus of the trial. Now.
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  Speaker 2: James Comy put out a statement tonight on Instagram, and
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  Speaker 2: his statement is striking in that it is a political statement.
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  Speaker 2: It is not a statement about the facts of the law.
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  Speaker 2: So give a listen to what James Comby said this
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  Speaker 2: evening in response to the indictment.
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  Speaker 4: My family and I have known for years that there
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  Speaker 4: are costs to standing up to Donald Trump, but we
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  Speaker 4: couldn't imagine ourselves living any other way. We will not
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  Speaker 4: live on our knees, and you shouldn't either. Somebody that
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  Speaker 4: I love dearly recently said that fear is the tool
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  Speaker 4: of a tyrant, and she's right. But I'm not afraid,
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  Speaker 4: and I hope you're not either. I hope instead you
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  Speaker 4: are engaged, You are paying attention, and you will vote
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  Speaker 4: like your beloved country depends upon it, which it does.
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  Speaker 4: My heart is broken for the Department of Justice, but
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  Speaker 4: I have great confidence in the federal judicial system, and
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  Speaker 4: I'm innocent, So let's have a trial.
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  Speaker 1: I love how he is a victim there and acting
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  Speaker 1: like he's above all of this. But center, let's just
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  Speaker 1: go back to three point thirty of twenty three. James
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  Speaker 1: Comey tweeted out, quote, it's been a good day. That
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  Speaker 1: is how I reacted to Trump being in died in
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  Speaker 1: the Alvin Bragg hush money case. So to act like
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  Speaker 1: he's some sort of guy that's above all this. Look
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  Speaker 1: at his own.
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  Speaker 2: Words, well, his statement he put out in response to
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  Speaker 2: this that could have been given by Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi,
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  Speaker 2: or King Jeffries or any other political Democrat. And in
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  Speaker 2: fact he makes a call Mountain vote, it's a get
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  Speaker 2: out the vote message. This is a former director of
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  Speaker 2: the FBI. But to give you a sense of just
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  Speaker 2: how much he loathes Donald Trump, this is a former
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  Speaker 2: director of the FBI who tweeted out to the world
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  Speaker 2: a picture of shells spelling out eighty six forty seven,
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  Speaker 2: in other words, slang for kill the current President of
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  Speaker 2: the United States, Donald V.
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  Speaker 4: Trump.
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  Speaker 2: To say, calling for the murder of the sitting president
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  Speaker 2: is not appropriate for the former FBI director In an
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  Speaker 2: ordinary time, that would be such an obvious statement that
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  Speaker 2: nobody would even think to say it. But that's just
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  Speaker 2: how much James Comy loathes Donald Trump. And understand. When
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  Speaker 2: Trump became president the first time in January of twenty seventeen,
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  Speaker 2: President Trump unfortunately made a serious mistake, which is he
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  Speaker 2: left James Comey in office. In hindsight, on January twentieth,
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  Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, President Trump should have called James Comy and
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  Speaker 2: said thank you for your service to the nation. Your
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  Speaker 2: services are no longer required. I am certain President Trump
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  Speaker 2: wishes he had done that. I think the White House
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  Speaker 2: team believed that Komy could focus on law enforcement, could
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  Speaker 2: not be politicized, and that assumption proved to be in error.
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  Speaker 2: James Comy presided over weaponizing and politicizing the FBI. He
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  Speaker 2: was part of weaponizing and politicizing the Department of Justice.
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  Speaker 2: And it was because they hated Donald Trump, and frankly,
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  Speaker 2: they were angry at the American people for electing him
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  Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen, and so the FBI set out to
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  Speaker 2: try to attack and to try to ultimately remove from
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  Speaker 2: office the President of the United States. Now, again this
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  Speaker 2: should not bear saying, but it is not the job
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  Speaker 2: of law enforcement to determine the will of the voters.
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  Speaker 2: Is wrong, and the elected president should no longer be president.
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  Speaker 2: That's what Comy presided over. And so when I listened
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  Speaker 2: to him say I weep for the Department of Justice,
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  Speaker 2: it really is. You know, there's a Yiddish word, hootspot.
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  Speaker 2: And I got to say, James Comy really ought to
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  Speaker 2: have a T shirt with that printed on it, because
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  Speaker 2: he is grieving for the Department of Justice. Why because
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  Speaker 2: he has been indicted for what I think is clearly
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  Speaker 2: a felony. And we're going to break down in just minutes,
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  Speaker 2: why exactly this is a felony, what the crime is,
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  Speaker 2: And I want to point out Nowhere in his statement
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  Speaker 2: does Comy get into the actual facts. Nowhere in the
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  Speaker 2: statement does he get into what he did. Nowhere in
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  Speaker 2: the statement does he get into law. He just gives
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  Speaker 2: a political statement. He will not be on his knees.
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  Speaker 2: He calls Trump a tyrant who is ruling by fear. Look,
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  Speaker 2: this is an indictment that was returned by a grand
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  Speaker 2: jury in the Commonwealth of Virginia, and it was returned
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  Speaker 2: because of I believe clear evidence demonstrating Comy committed felonies.
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  Speaker 1: Senator, I want to bring up a point that no
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  Speaker 1: one in the media has brought up so far about
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  Speaker 1: this indictment. And I brought it up on CNN and
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  Speaker 1: they were like all deer in headlights, there is something
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  Speaker 1: about this case. And they were saying, Oh, this is
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  Speaker 1: just political retribution by Donald Trump that clearly they weren't
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  Speaker 1: going to bring this case. He had to fire the
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  Speaker 1: person in charge of this office in Virginia, had to
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  Speaker 1: put in somebody that would weaponize the DOJ. Here's the
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  Speaker 1: fact that most people don't know, James Comy's own son
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  Speaker 1: in law was literally inside the prosecutor's office that was tasked.
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  Speaker 1: Just think about this with indicting his father in law.
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  Speaker 1: And so when you sit there and I look at this,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, man, the deep State got together to protect
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  Speaker 1: James Comy at all costs. And as soon as the
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  Speaker 1: indictment came out later in the day, James Comy's son
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  Speaker 1: in law then gave his resign letter because I guess
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  Speaker 1: he just couldn't stop what was inevitable.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and look, I think what should govern this case
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  Speaker 2: is the facts and the law. And I believe James
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  Speaker 2: Commey should have been indicted five years ago. And indeed
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  Speaker 2: I called upon him to be indicted five years ago.
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  Speaker 2: So let me lay out the facts and in December
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  Speaker 2: of twenty twenty. So the questioning that we played in
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  Speaker 2: the first segment was for September thirtieth of twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, the reason the indictment was brought
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  Speaker 2: right now is the statute limitations was going to run
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  Speaker 2: next week, and so they had to bring it before
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  Speaker 2: the end of the statute limitations or they would not
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  Speaker 2: be able to charge him. But on December tenth of
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty, here's the letter that I sent to Bill Barr,
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  Speaker 2: then the Attorney General of the United States, and Christopher Ray,
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  Speaker 2: who was then the director of the FBI. Days before
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  Speaker 2: the presidential election in twenty sixteen, a Wall Street Journal
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  Speaker 2: article quoted an anonymous source confirming the existence of a
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  Speaker 2: probe into Hillary Clinton's use of a private eas mail
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  Speaker 2: server while serving as Secretary of State, an investigation that
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  Speaker 2: up to that point mister Komy and the FBI declined
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  Speaker 2: to confirm. We now know that this leak was authorized
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  Speaker 2: by then Deputy Director of the FBI Andrew McCabe. Mister
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  Speaker 2: McCabe initially told FBI agents under oath that he did
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  Speaker 2: not authorize the leak and he did not know who did,
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  Speaker 2: but when confronted later with contrary evidence, he confessed both
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  Speaker 2: to knowing about and authorizing the leak. We do not know, however,
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  Speaker 2: whether and to what extent then FBI Director Comy was
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  Speaker 2: aware of and authorized this leak. After the fact, mister
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  Speaker 2: McCabe has repeatedly stated that mister Komy knew of and
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  Speaker 2: effectively authorized the leak by approving it. He told the
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  Speaker 2: Office of Inspector General that quote. He and Komy discussed
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  Speaker 2: the October thirtieth Wall Street Journal article in person on
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  Speaker 2: October thirty five, Verse twenty sixteen, and that at that meeting,
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  Speaker 2: quote he told Comy that he had authorized ad slash
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  Speaker 2: OPA and Special Council to disclose the account of the
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  Speaker 2: August twelfth call and did not say anything in any
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  Speaker 2: way to suggest that it was unauthorized. According to mister McCabe,
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  Speaker 2: mister Comby quote did not react negatively, just kind of
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  Speaker 2: accepted it and quote thought it was a good idea
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  Speaker 2: that they presented this information to the media. He again
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  Speaker 2: reiterated mister Comy's involvement at a hearing last month at
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  Speaker 2: the Senate Judiciary Committee. I asked mister McCabe. According to
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  Speaker 2: The Washington Times April eighteenth, twenty eighteen, mister McCabe insisted
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  Speaker 2: that he told his boss that he had authorized disclosure
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  Speaker 2: about the Clinton investigation. But mister Comy has denied this claim,
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  Speaker 2: and mister McCabe told investigators that mister Comby knew he
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  Speaker 2: had authorized disclosure and agreed it was a good idea.
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  Speaker 2: Is that accurate? Is that your testimony to this committee?
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  Speaker 2: Mister McCabe replied, that is my recollection. Mister Komy, however,
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  Speaker 2: has sworn under oath that he has neither authorized the
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  Speaker 2: leak nor knew of mister McCabe's involvement. At a May
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  Speaker 2: twenty seventeenth hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee, Senator Grassley asked,
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  Speaker 2: mister Comy, have you ever been an anonymous source in
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  Speaker 2: news reports about matters relating to the Trump investigation or
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  Speaker 2: the Clinton investigation. Mister Komy replied never. Senator Grassley then asked,
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  Speaker 2: have you ever authorized someone else at the FBI to
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  Speaker 2: be an anonymous source in news reports about the Trump
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  Speaker 2: investigation or the Clinton administration? He testified no. And this
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  Speaker 2: October that a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, mister Komy testified
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  Speaker 2: in response to my question, quote, I stand by the
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  Speaker 2: testimony that you summarized that I gave in May of
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  Speaker 2: twenty seventeen. Mister Komy's denial in front of the Senate
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  Speaker 2: is consistent with his statement to the OIG. He told
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  Speaker 2: the OIG that quote, he recalled seeing this article, but
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  Speaker 2: he did not know how the disclosure about the paidag
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  Speaker 2: call in the October thirtieth article happened. He said that
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  Speaker 2: he was quote very concerned about that part of the article.
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  Speaker 2: Komy told OIG he considered the disclosure about the paidag's
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  Speaker 2: call problematic because it related the sensitive FBI information. The
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  Speaker 2: OIG report continues, quote according to Komy, he discussed the
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  Speaker 2: issue with McCabe after the article was published, and at
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  Speaker 2: the time mccab quote definitely did not tell me that
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  Speaker 2: he authorized the disclosure of the paidag call. Komy said
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  Speaker 2: that McCabe gave him the exact opposite impression. Mister Comy
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  Speaker 2: asserted that he took from whatever communication they had that
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  Speaker 2: mister mccab wasn't involved in the leak. And here's what's critical,
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  Speaker 2: mister Comy and mister mccab's statements are irreconcilably contradictory. Mister
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  Speaker 2: McCabe says that he told mister Comy of the leak
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  Speaker 2: and that mister Comy approved effectively authorizing the leak after
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  Speaker 2: the fact. Mister Comy, on the other hand, has said
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  Speaker 2: that he neither authorized the leak nor knew of mister
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  Speaker 2: McCabe's involvement. One of them is lying under oath a
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  Speaker 2: Federal crime eighteen USC. Section sixteen twenty one. The American
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  Speaker 2: people deserve to know who those are the facts and
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  Speaker 2: it is a simple binary choice. Either James Comy lied
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  Speaker 2: under oath and committed to felony or Andrew McCabe lied
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  Speaker 2: under oath or committed to felony, because what they said
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  Speaker 2: is precisely opposite. There is not a world in which
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  Speaker 2: neither of them committed a felon And the only choice
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  Speaker 2: is which one broke the law by bringing this indictment. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: the Department of Justice has determined it was James Comey
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  Speaker 2: who lied under oath and broke the law, and that's
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  Speaker 2: what the trial will be all about.
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  Speaker 1: what I've been hearing on online from the media. They're like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: gonna be very hard to get a conviction. Break down
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  Speaker 1: how this could roll out in court, what could happen.
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  Speaker 2: Well, at the end of the day, the factual predicate
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  Speaker 2: behind this crime is not terribly complicated. As I mentioned,
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  Speaker 2: there's a direct contradiction between James Comey's testimony under oath
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  Speaker 2: before the Senate and Andrew McCabe's testimony under oath before
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: the Senate. They cannot both be true. One or the
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: other is deliberately lying, And how do we know which
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: one is likely to be lying? Well, the FBI, in
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: all likelihood possesses the information that confirms who's telling the
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  Speaker 2: truth and who's lying. Indeed, if you look at the
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: account of what occurred, mccab initially told the same lie
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  Speaker 2: that Comy did. Mcab initially said he didn't leak the information,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: he didn't authorize it, and he didn't know who did.
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  Speaker 2: But then the FBI Office of Inspector General confronted him
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: with contrary evidence. I don't know what the contrary evidence is,
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  Speaker 2: but they put in front of him, mister McCabe, you
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: said you didn't leak this information. Well, boom, here's the
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: evidence to the contrary And what did McCabe do. Oh crap,
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  Speaker 2: you got me?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, you're right.
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  Speaker 2: I leaked it. I'm the one who did it, and
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: I talked to Comy about it. I told him about it.
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  Speaker 2: So he admitted that when he was caught in a lie.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know specifically what confirming evidence the FBI in
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: the Department of Justice has, but they have enough that
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: they caused McCabe to reverse his first lie and instead
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: to say, yes, he did it, and Comy knew about it,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: and so between the two, you know, it was interesting.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: When I was questioning Comy, he said a couple of times. Well,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to characterize, as he put it, Andy's testimony. Well,
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: I get politically that's a smart move not to characterize
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Andy's testimony. But you know what, his entire legal defense
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: is going to be, McCabe is lying because he doesn't
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: have an alternative. That's his only argument is when McCabe
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: said under oath, good point that I knew about it.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Comy's defense team is going to have to say McCabe
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: was lying. And by the way, mccab is going to
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: be the star witness at the prosecution. The prosecution is
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: going to put Andy McCabe on the stand and he's
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: going to ask them, did you leak it? Now, I'm
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: going to predict Andy McCabe is going to say, yes,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: did you talk to James Comy about it? Yes? Did
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: he authorize it? Yes? And the reason I'm going to
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: predict he's gonna do all of that that is because
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Andy McCabe testified to that in front of Congress, and
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: if he gives any other answer, he'll be indicted for
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: lying to Congress. So he can't have it both ways.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: And I expect that Comy's lawyer will try to cross
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: examine him and we'll try to argue McCabe is lying,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: but it's very difficult to see why McCabe would have
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: any incentive to lie. He and Comy were Thicke as thieves.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: He was only forced to admit the truth when confronted
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: with contrary evidence. Again, we don't know what that evidence is,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: but presumably the FBI and the Department of Justice do so.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it is contemporaneous phone calls, perhaps
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: with the reporters. I don't know if it is notes.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's emails. I don't know if
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: it's testimony from someone else at the FBI who said, hey,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Andrew McCabe told me to do this. But it is something,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: and it was something that was compelling enough that it
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: caused Andrew McCabe to aban then lie number one, and
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: and so at the end of the day, this is
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: not a complicated factual case. This is not some grand tapestry.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: It's a he said, he said, she said. But you
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: have both testimonies under oath, and it's going to be
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: a question of what additional evidence is there to confirm
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: who's telling the truth and who's not. I also think
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: I will be surprised if James Comy's lawyer puts him
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: on the stand. Now, under our justice system, the prosecution
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: cannot force a defendant to testify. But I'm going to
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: predict James Comy is not going to take the stand
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: because if he takes the stand, he can be cross examined,
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: and he does not want to be cross examined, because
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: this is someone who presided over weaponizing the Department of
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Justice with the objective of taking out Donald J. Trump
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: and getting under oath, getting cross examined by a skilled
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: trial attorney, and again under oath. By the way, if
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: he lies in his trial testimony, he can be indicted
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: and prosecuted again for lying under oath. Again, I don't
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: think his lawyer will do that. And so at the
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: end of the day, look, the press is going to
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: go on and on and say, well, Trump hates James Comy.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: That is certainly true, But being hated by the President
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: is not enough to exonerate you from criminal conduct. And
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: in this instance, I believe Comy should have been indicted
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: five years ago because it was clear he had deliberately
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: lied to Congress. And look, we started by playing my
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: cross examination. This wasn't an absent minded lie. This wasn't oh,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: I'm not paying attention. This was careful, This was deliberate,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: This was strategic, this was planned. I believe this was
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: James Comy saying, I face no accountability whatsoever. I can
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: lie under oath and no one's going to hold me
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: to account. And I think he feels he feels it's clever,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: but he also feels vindicated. Listen, James Comy was someone
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: who I think fancied himself as j Edgar Hoover. He
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: fancied himself as as an incredibly powerful director of the FBI,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: empowered to remove the tyrant. That's what he said in
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: his statement tonight that he thinks Trump is a tyrant.
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  Speaker 2: And I think when the American people elected him in
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, I think Comy was angry and he decided
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: he would use the power of the FBI to remove
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: the president elected by the people. And so I think
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: it is quite fitting that he is facing accountability for
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: committing criminal conduct. Let me repeat, this indictment is not
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: for being an opponent of Donald Trump. It is not
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: for being a political a political figure on the other
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: side of Donald Trump. This indictment is for deliberately and
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: knowingly lying under oath to the United States Senate, which
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: is a clear an unmistakable felony. And and I think
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: I think Comy, I think the odds are good that
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Comy will be convicted. And I think if he's convicted,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: I think he's going to serve jail time.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: How much of very quickly, of his past will come
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: back to haunt him. He is a prolific guy when
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: it comes to leaking. He's a pro at it. He's
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: on amateur because he knows how to leak. Hell, he
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: leaked information that was apparently classified to make sure that
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: there was a special counsel that went after Donald Trump.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: We know that for a fact. And it went to
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: one of his former law friends at a university that
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: then went to a newspaper. That is a fact. Will
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: that come up? And then the other question I have
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: for you quickly is this, will the testimony that he
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: gay before Congress be used in court or literally will
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: senators that interviewed him, would you guys go to court
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: or would they just use the testimony video?
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they would use the testimony. They would
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: read or play the testimony. I don't think you're going
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: to see senators testifying, and the record is clear in
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: the objective and so everyone knows exactly what his testimony was.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: In terms of his past pattern, I think it could
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: certainly come in. The prosecution might try to bring it
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: in to establish a pattern. That would be difficult. But
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: I think if Comy's lawyer argues, well, he couldn't possibly
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: have approved this, he never would have approved a leak,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: then I think the prosecution would be able to get
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: all of that in as rebuttal to the defendant's argument.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: So I think it's more likely to come in as
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: rebuttal evidence than directly proving a pattern. But my guess
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: is one way or another that evidence is going to
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: come in, And you're right, there's a clear pattern. Comy
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: has a long pattern of relying on media leaks to
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: advance his own personal agenda.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was in Dallas this week for a series
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• 31:51
  Speaker 2: gunman had opened fire on an ICE facility in Dallas.
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• 31:58
  Speaker 2: assassin and with a bolt action rifle, fired multiple rounds,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: ended up killing two people severely injuring a third, and
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  Speaker 2: his own life. And it was horrific. When the news broke,
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  Speaker 2: I canceled my morning meeting and just drove over to
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  Speaker 2: the ICE facility that morning. Was there, was there shortly
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  Speaker 2: after the shooting had occurred. And this has happened far
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: too often. Here's what I had to say at the
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: press conference that was ongoing when I arrived at the facility.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: If this needs to stop.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Violence is wrong, Politically motivated violence is wrong. It was
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: two weeks ago today that we saw political assassination in
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Utah that tore the heart out of much of this country.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: This is the third shooting in Texas directed at ICE
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: or CBP. This must stop. To every politician who is
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: using rhetoric demonizing ICE and demonizing CBP, stop to every
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: politician demanding that ICE agents be dosed and calling for
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: people to go after their families.
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  Speaker 3: Stop.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: This has very real consequences. Look in America, we disagree.
• 33:24
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• 33:28
  Speaker 2: are not Nazis. We need to learn to work together
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: without demonizing each other, without attacking each other. And I
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: want to say thank you. I want to say thank
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: you to the brave men and women of law enforcement.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: I want to say thank you to the brave men
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: and women of ICE and CVP and everyone who puts
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: their lives on the lines to keep us safe. The
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: divisive rhetoric tragically has real consequences. I hope that every
• 34:00
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• 34:02
  Speaker 2: us will pray Number one for the safety of law
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: enforcement that are risking their lives to keep us safe.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Number two, for the health of those who were shot
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: and injured. Today we still don't know the full details
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: of who was injured, but for the families also of
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: the victims of this shooting. Violence has no place. It
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: is wrong, and we should come together. If we want
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: to have a debate of an immigration policies, we can
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: do so in the halls of Congress without demonizing each other,
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• 34:40
  Speaker 2: day put on a badge and go risk their lives
• 34:43
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• 34:47
  Speaker 2: language out there that inspires mad men to commit evil crimes.
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  Speaker 2: Our prayers are with the men and women of law enforcement,
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  Speaker 2: and we ought to come together and have some decency
• 35:00
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• 35:06
  Speaker 3: It needs to stop.
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  Speaker 1: We know Senator a lot about this gunman. We know
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: that he was googling the shooting of our friend whose
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: funeral we just went to, Charlie Kirk. We know that
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: he was looking at the app that they put out
• 35:23
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• 35:27
  Speaker 1: which is accent where they are.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: That is an app designed to encourage violence against ICE
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: agents and law enforcement. And whether it's Gavin Newsom or
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: a Keen Jeffries or any any other Democrat who is
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: encouraging this targeting of ICE agents, it is fundamentally wrong
• 35:46
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• 35:49
  Speaker 2: You know, I will say this shooter, it's the news
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: has since come out. This shooter. His mother was a
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: hard leftist who actually had been vocally critical of me
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: and other Texas Republicans for not embracing gun control, and
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: in fact, in May of twenty twenty two, she posted
• 36:05
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• 36:09
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• 36:12
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• 36:17
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• 36:21
  Speaker 2: all the money that sits in your bank accounts from
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: the gun lobby support. Was it worth it? Governor Abbot?
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: How about you senators? When you prioritize money over people,
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: this is what you get And I will say the
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: irony is rich that this leftist mom who was championing
• 36:38
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• 36:42
  Speaker 2: as a sniper. It is tragic, and it is a
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: consequence of extreme rhetoric, extreme ideology that is poisoning the
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: minds of those who are driven to violence. And I
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: will say this assassin wrote on his shell casings anti Ice,
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  Speaker 2: very much, emulating what Charlie Kirk's murderer did, writing pro
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• 37:13
  Speaker 2: we need to stop this violence, regardless of where your
• 37:17
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• 37:19
  Speaker 2: is fueling this violence. And there's a lot of Democrat
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: politicians engaging in this rhetoric, no matter how many lives
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: are lost. And I want to be clear, I am
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: not calling them Nazis. I am absolutely opposing any violence
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  Speaker 2: or calls to violence. I'm calling on them to tone
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