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"Krull: The Unofficial Tale of A Cult Classic's Journey" · Cinema Yūgen

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  G'day. That's right. It's that time again. Time for Cinema Yugen.
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  G'day. Welcome back. Cinema Yugen this week.
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  Kroll, the unofficial film companion is out.
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  Eric Wofford is back he's my guest in
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  the wake of the unprecedented success of
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  the Star Wars franchise and Excalibur famous
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  producing team Ted Mann and Ron Silverman began
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  assembling a team of the most talented filmmakers in existence along with an
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  experienced cast of screen legends and rising stars coupled with a huge budget
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  and one of the most original albeit insane marking companions including Kroll,
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  the themed wedding,
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  and custom donuts.
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  Kroll was destined to be the biggest hit of the year, but it flopped,
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  recouping way less than half of its $40 million plus budget on its initial release.
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  For the cast and crew that had worked on the film, they've avoided interviews
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  for this book as though it were the plague.
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  Yet every year, legions of Kroll fans, including Eric Wofford and myself show
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  their unwavering and passionate love towards this now considered cult classic.
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  How did this happen you might ask? Well this book hopes to shed light on how.
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  This one-of-a-kind film was made, and the even more insane story behind the
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  perceived failure that it was, whether you're a diehard Crowlite or a casual
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  fan of the film, or just curious,
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  we hope this book brings you much joy.
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  Eric certainly does, because he put a lot of work into it.
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  Crowl, the unofficial film companion, Eric Wofford is my guest.
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  Welcome him back to cinema, Yugen.
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  G'day, Eric. Thanks. Glad to be back. Thank you for being back and thank you for this book, mate.
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  Absolutely. The unofficial film companion. This has been a long honesty for
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  you, mate. Tell me how it feels.
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  Well, I mean, look, I understand having come through the publishing world,
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  what it feels like to finally hold the end product in your hand. It finally feels real.
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  How does it feel to you, mate? But it feels great.
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  Yeah. It took a while, but we got there. And again, I appreciate you for contributing
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  to it. That was a great chapter in the book.
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  Look, I mean, when anyone says anything to do with Kroll, I'm there.
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  If they want me to do whatever, I would, as much as I would be,
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  I don't know, I'm on the fence.
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  I remember talking with Mark Silverman about this.
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  And we were talking about, you know, when the rumor came around that JJA rumors
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  was allegedly going to do a reboot or a remake or whatever the case may be,
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  whether or not, you know,
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  I would be, and I said, well, there's part of me that would be curious,
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  the part of me that wishes, it was like Big Trouble in China when the rock was
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  talking about doing a remake of Big Trouble in China or a reboot, and I was like.
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  At some point, I think there are films you just should leave well alone. I don't see.
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  As much as I would, like I said, as much as I would be curious,
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  I don't really want to...
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  See another version it's like i'm apprehensive about masters
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  of the universe right i really
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  i love the film that we got i mean okay and
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  i think every look maybe because
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  i grew up with it yeah it's like the james bond
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  like everyone likes the james bond they grew up with like you're
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  either a roger moore guy or my dad was a sean connery
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  guy or you're a pierce brosnan guy or you're
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  a daniel craig guy yeah yeah
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  you know you're we're all products of that
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  time but um enough about all that
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  scroll the unofficial
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  film companion what what what what
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  a great what a great read i've been going
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  i've been going through it a couple of times i.
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  Really enjoyed the interview with lindsey krauss was interesting yeah yeah
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  i had no idea i had no idea i was surprised to
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  read or which i didn't know was her father co-wrote the
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  sound of music yeah yeah she
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  comes from a pretty interesting background and she's done
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  everything you know worked with dustin hoffman
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  and robert redford and then the kroll voiceover like
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  yeah she was yeah she's the nicest lady too she's and also
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  a film also a film that's getting some appreciation now
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  that didn't when it came out was the arrival david till
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  he's the arrival with the charlie sheen which
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  is a really really good movie i i really like i really
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  think i'm glad to see it sort of getting appreciation now
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  david to he's a really really cool filmmaker his
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  stuff i love i love i love the riddick films i know i
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  don't know what that says about me but i liked
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  them i'm keen to see the the final one if it's the last one the the furia film
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  i really love david too he's he did a film called was it perfect getaway i think
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  it was called perfect getaway i think it was perfect getaway And it's got Steve
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  Zahn and Miller Jovovich and Timothy Oliphant.
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  Oh. Young Chris Hemsworth. Nice.
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  It's really good. If you haven't seen, I'm pretty sure it's called Perfect Getaway.
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  I could just Google it, but the computer in my head is still working pretty
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  well. I'm pretty sure it's Perfect Getaway, David Tui.
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  Yeah, another surprising thing in here was the Glade Donut, which I'd never heard anything about.
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  I can thank my wife for that. Yeah.
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  That is pretty good too. Are they? Oh, okay.
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  Yeah. Yeah. No, I was showing my wife too. I was like, I said,
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  look, there's a recipe here.
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  You know, just when you think the book couldn't get any better,
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  there's a recipe in here too.
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  Yeah. But look in, in reading this, there was so much stuff that came out for
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  this movie everywhere else, everywhere else, but here as it would seem, uh.
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  Because I was like, damn, like you see the pinball machine and the arcade machine.
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  I go, we didn't get any of that.
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  We got none of this stuff. I mean, it was absolutely, I feel robbed, essentially.
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  I mean, look, I've seen you can buy some of this stuff on eBay and look,
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  if I had some disposable income, I would probably spend quite a bit of money and get some of it.
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  I saw it. And look, as we speak now, literally,
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  it was announced earlier this week or something that 4K, the role was coming
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  out on or being released on 4K.
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  I think it's August or September, I'm pretty sure. Yeah.
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  One of those two. So, I mean, yeah. Although, I don't know about you. How do you feel?
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  There's some films of a certain age, 4K, for me, hurts them a little bit.
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  Like i like yeah of cellulite yeah
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  i yeah i like the film grain on on especially something
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  like crawl i i wonder how that's gonna turn out i'm gonna
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  buy a copy oh sure but yeah i'm
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  i'm interested to see especially the fire mirror scene
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  stuff like that in 4k that that scares me a little bit i
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  love the scene yeah uh but you know some of
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  that stuff doesn't age as well in 4k but uh
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  i'm glad to see it i'll certainly buy a copy sure
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  no look look look hey hey i pre-ordered it
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  but getting back to the book too and and interesting
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  enough talking about physical media you also
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  have an interview in here with the uh the chap who did
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  the uh the extra features on the dvd oddly enough i think i told you this last
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  time we spoke about this kroll was the first ever dvd that i bought simply because
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  i was well dvds were taking over the video stores were getting rid of vhs.
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  These things called dvds and i thought well i have to start again
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  and one day i thought well okay i started looking at some dvds and
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  i was shocked absolutely completely and
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  utterly dumb found that crawl was available on dvd i
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  thought well if there's any film like because no one
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  cared about it on vhs i thought well and here's this
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  brand new medium and here's crawl and not
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  only that it had a truckload it had a documentary
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  it's got a great commentary it's got the the comic book all that sort of stuff
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  and in the book to check the links in the description ladies and gentlemen while
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  we're talking about it crawl the ultimate film companion links in the description
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  there's an interview in here with the.
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  Let's see assistant visual effects there's one here with the where is it,
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  Hey, Kent Hill. Yeah. Read some of his stuff. He's a good guy. Yes.
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  It was actually interesting to read, because it was written so long ago.
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  Hey, that was pretty educated.
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  Yeah, that was great. Jeffrey Schwartz. Yes, ladies and gentlemen.
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  Jeffrey Schwartz, the bonus content creator for the Kroll DVD Readers.
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  And you also posted a great photo of this too online, line
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  of actually of pd yates and yeah oh
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  the cinematographer what
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  was his name oh man now you put me on the spot too jeez
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  i'm gonna blank on it he says yes he
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  did the empire yeah yeah yeah i actually so i
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  actually reached out to him for this book okay and it
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  was kind of weird he initially replied back
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  that yeah he'd like to be interviewed for the book
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  so then i sent him some questions i think it was one of the
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  ones he didn't have time to do like a video call he
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  said just send me your questions and i'll just send them in the
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  pdf and then it was a
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  couple weeks later he's like you know i i hate to
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  say this but i don't want to be involved in the book because he doesn't feel
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  like peter yates was apparently a very good personal friend of his and he said
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  he didn't feel like this was up to peter yates's quality as compared to some
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  of his other films So he didn't want to disparage it in any way.
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  He's like, there's lots of good parts to it.
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  And he's like, but there's some stuff. He's like, I feel like.
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  You know, since I knew the behind the scenes, which I would have loved to heard.
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  He's like, there's stuff we wanted to do.
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  We weren't able to do or didn't turn out the way we wanted. And he's like,
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  that's, he respectfully declined.
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  But I had a lot of those actually, a lot of people that respectfully declined.
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  Yeah, yeah. But very nice guy.
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  It's a shame. I mean, because, you know, even just reading this,
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  I mean, there's heaps of stuff that I had no idea.
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  And you really need the point of view of the people involved that –.
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  The only person I ever got to talk to that was officially involved was Ron Silverman.
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  We'll put the link in the description for that. Yeah.
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  And people can listen to that if they want. I was very shocked.
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  He wasn't very active on Facebook, but I sent him a message with my email address way back in the day.
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  Yeah. And it was a couple of years. It was like two years.
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  And I randomly get this email out of the blue. It's Ron Silverman.
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  And he said i'd be very interested to talk about carol and so we arranged his time and,
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  i remember the first thing out of my mouth when he came on the phone is
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  i said you sound exactly like you do in the behind the scenes documentary because
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  why wouldn't i and i said exactly why wouldn't you but you know yeah yeah i
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  wish i had that i said sorry i'm a dork because i said look i've heard your
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  voice in that documentary so many times and then all of a sudden here i am talking to the guy.
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  Right. You know, and he tells a great story about how he was sitting on the,
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  when they were doing the shoot in Italy and he's sitting up there on a rock,
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  when they're wrangling the horses and he was listening on a cassette tape,
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  he was listening to the score of The Rest Have Come by one James Horner.
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  When someone came up to me, he said, who are we going to get for the score?
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  He said, I think we need to find this guy.
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  James Holman. And, uh, yeah, it was, uh,
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  It was a great, uh, it's a great chant, but oddly enough, I was,
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  I've been listening to people since the, the news of the release of the 4k and
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  it's brought Cole sort of temporarily back,
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  if not minusculely back into the conversation.
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  And it's been interesting to hear how people are reacting now. Yeah.
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  Uh, there's still a lot of people that say, you know, it was some parts were
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  good. but they ultimately don't love it.
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  But I think the appreciation is,
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  I think with time and I think with the more and more digital becomes part of
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  our lives, I think the appreciation for these films that were largely constructed, if you know what I mean.
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  I mean, because let's face it, everything in Kroll, for the most part,
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  is built. It was all physical.
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  You could stand in the... you know the throne
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  room or the black fortress or or
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  whatever whereas as as that disappears
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  i think we're going i think the the appreciation
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  for any films past a certain
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  point is only going to enriching don't you think i
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  agree yeah i 100 agree practical when possible
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  is always better in my opinion but uh
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  as far as the 4k crawl re-release i
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  might be involved with that i can't say
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  much else but it's a long shot but i
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  am talking to someone about contributing this like some supplemental behind
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  the scenes material for that sure that'd be awesome it's kind of i think it's
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  farther along than i guess once they announce it this probably pretty much wrapped
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  up already so i don't know if it's going to happen but i did reach out and i
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  did get a response so hopefully,
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  that'd be cool to be involved with that too that would be cool i pre-ordered
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  it yeah even even Even though.
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  Like I said, I've seen some films in 4K from certain periods and I don't,
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  You know, I look personally, I thought the DVD transfer, just the ordinary run
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  of the mill for all DVD when I first got it still, I still think that's a great transfer.
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  The DVD, the Blu-ray, sorry, of course, even better.
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  The 4k it's coming interests me to see how certain scenes will look in 4k. Yeah.
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  Simply because of the way they used to composite. I think it really hurt like
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  films like Flash Gordon.
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  I don't like watching those. in in
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  4k i like the gauze yeah i
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  do you know i mean it's it was probably like
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  you probably read recently where they talked about a screening
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  of the one of the early prints of
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  star wars not i don't believe because someone said that it has the episode four
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  on it so it can't be one of the 1977 right star wars prints it's got to be later
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  because he didn't put on episode four until they made Empire Strikes Back.
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  Right. It's later, but it's still a celluloid 35mm technical print.
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  And they talked about in that, you know, some critics were being quite harsh,
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  saying, oh, it makes the film look really quaint, you know, like it was Battled
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  Beyond the Stars or something like that.
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  Which is far more, you know, the more they restore these things,
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  looks far more chintzy than, you know. I mean, obviously some of these critics
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  haven't seen Dark Star or something like that, you know, to call it, you know.
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  It's like I was saying before, I mean, all of these things are a product of their time.
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  There's no way they can't not be what they are.
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  But the way that audiences come to them, same with audiences that will come
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  to Kroll in the future that have no idea of the history and just go in blind and watch it.
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  Look, I would love to, as I keep saying to my wife, I'd love to just re-release.
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  I think they should just re-release old movies.
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  When they don't have a lot of new movies and just see how they play.
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  Don't pump so much advertising in. Yeah.
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  Just put it out, you know, limited release. They do a lot of it in the States.
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  They don't do any of that kind of thing here. Or if they do,
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  it's a very limited audience.
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  But the idea of like a brand new young audience going in blind to some of these
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  films, I reckon I personally believe that they would blow their minds because
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  they haven't seen stuff like this, you know, Yeah.
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  They're so used to a very formulaic, very mass-produced type of cinema.
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  And I believe that the variety will blow their minds. Yes.
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  It's funny you bring that up, because also like any kind of new modern trailer,
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  it's the exact same beat.
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  It's the exact same, you know, you cut to the little title card that says the
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  name of the movie, and then the sound goes out, And there's always like a little
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  sarcastic clip of someone saying, or, or like an explosion.
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  And it's just, I mean, you watch the trailer. Okay. I don't know what I watched
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  there. It was just generic.
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  You know, it's just all the exact same. Like you have a little,
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  you know, set up the premise and then there's a little bit of music and a little
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  bit of action that cuts to the title card.
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  And then it goes back to the sarcastic comment and boom, it's the trailer.
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  I actually, one good trailer, not to be off topic. I don't know if you saw the
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  trailer for Eddington, the new Joaquin Phoenix movie.
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  Is that the trailer where he's scrolling? Looks like someone's scrolling on their phone.
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  No. So there's an extended trailer now. Oh, okay. I haven't seen that one.
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  I've seen the, like the, the, not related to crawl, but it's very good,
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  but it's different, which is what I like about it. Yeah.
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  Yeah. No, I mean, it's, um, I think that, well, look, when it,
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  when it, when you look, there was a lot of cases like crawl back.
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  At this time where I feel that because, I mean, look, they always try to pigeonhole these films.
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  It's a certain box. It's either a science fiction film or a fantasy film, whatever.
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  And I think that the marketing for that film, like the whole one-size-fits-all thing.
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  Scenario like well it's a fantasy film marketed like
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  a fantasy film it's an action film marketed like an action film
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  whereas today you see them try to get inventive like
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  with the thunderbolts there was an a24 inspired trailer
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  so and and that seemed
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  to to to get some more appreciation than
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  the standard run of the mill let's show lots of action let's explosions this
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  is what you're in for but suggesting something deeper that there's characters
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  and there's a story that you can get involved with rather than just sit there
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  and watch people of unusual size,
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  strength and beauty beat the living whatever out of each other.
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  Right. Which is sadly what some of these films fall into that category.
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  It's really just like sit there and or like going on a roller coaster,
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  to strap in, go on the roller coaster and you get off. That was exciting.
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  What are we going to do next?
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  And unfortunately with a lot of these films, there's no resonance and you do
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  come out of them going, well, where are we going to eat?
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  Right. I need to go for a crap or something, you know.
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  And you've forgotten about the film while you're walking through the parking lot.
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  And it's sad to see the stain of things, but it's great that fans like yourself
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  and fans who keep cult films alive, check the link in the description,
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  scroll the unofficial film companion.
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  I heard sort of a rumour that you may be going to venture into more of these, Eric. Yeah.
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  Another stab at a...
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  I've got some on my list.
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  I actually already did some pre preliminary work on one, but I had to drop it
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  because there wasn't enough people to interview.
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  I couldn't get ahold of them or they'd already passed away, but it was actually
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  for the movie Prophecy, the mutated bear movie from the 80s.
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  I don't know if you, maybe it's 1979.
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  Anyways, I wanted to do one on that. I love that movie. I
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  wanted to know and I reached out to a whole
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  bunch of people and a lot of them either passed away
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  or just couldn't get in contact with them
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  so I had to drop that one but I do have some other ones one
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  I'm seriously looking at is near dark um that's
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  that's one I've found a good bit of contacts I can
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  get and the other nice thing is a lot
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  of them are still in the industry yeah with Kroll
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  a lot of those guys you know they were 40 50
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  at the time of Kroll and they'd either passed away or they
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  don't really remember i had a lot of issues like i'd love to be
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  interviewed you know like my memory i i don't remember what
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  i ate this morning i don't remember anything about crawl so
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  i tried to think on this next couple books if i do them you know some maybe
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  slightly newer stuff that's still got that cult feel to it but you know they'll
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  remember uh the details so near dark is is up there that might might be the
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  next one too that'd be cool yeah yeah no i I mean, I think the great,
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  I think the sort of the lost grail of interviews would have been Stanford Sherman about this movie.
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  Yeah. I reached out to him, talked to him in an email.
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  Yeah. And he basically, he said, I can't remember the details now,
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  but he basically, this is a great salesman. He made me buy his book.
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  I think the director should shoot me or something like that.
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  But it had a chapter about Kroll and how he got brought into it.
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  But he said, again, he didn't remember a lot of the details of it.
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  And he said, there's as much detail as I can tell you in that book.
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  Yeah. I mean, buy the book, which is a great book. I'd have to look up the actual
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  title of it, but yeah. Yeah.
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  Definitely. We'll put a link in the description. Yeah.
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  Yeah. And as is a link in the description right now for Eric Wofford's Kroll,
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  the unofficial film companion. Lots of cool interviews.
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  And you can try at home and make the I haven't yet confirmed.
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  But I'm going to attempt to make a Glaive donor.
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  Yeah. Just to say I tried and failed. Either way, it'll hopefully go down well. It's a donor.
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  But this is full of great stuff. You've got Nick Maley in here.
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  Oh, yeah. He was a great interview.
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  Yeah. The White Slayer was a great interview to read, too. I enjoyed that one.
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  Alan Church, optical camera operator, who, of course, did the really cool title sequence stuff.
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  Yeah. The other cool thing was about an analysis of the, I enjoyed,
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  too, was the analysis of from script to screen to novel,
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  the journey of the crawl paperback by
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  uh alan dean foster that was it yes i'm
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  glad you brought that up because i actually just messed that up so i
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  talked to alan dean foster about interviewing
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  him in more detail he was the one who sold me his book stanford sherman all
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  right yeah the screen the screenwriter of the film i mean yeah i believe he
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  actually someone thought he passed away i can never find any contact information
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  for him but i wanted to ask him about ice pirates too another Yeah,
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  that's what I was saying.
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  That would be a great interview just to say, look, you, Kroll and Ice Pirates, it's kind of like his.
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  Yeah, I mean, those are some bonkers off the wall movies, which I love.
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  And yeah, I was never able to get in touch with him. I found someone who knew,
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  who knew, it was like a friend of his.
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  I can't remember who it was now, but I want to say that he either passed away or wasn't doing well.
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  But yeah, I was never able to get in touch with him. Yeah. Yeah.
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  It would have been, like, forget Crow related too.
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  Yeah, I would have asked him a lot of ice pyro's questions.
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  Yeah, for sure. You'd have to. But yeah, no, I had heard that he had passed on.
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  And when I spoke to Ron Silverman actually asked me, because I brought it up
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  too, I said, Stanford Sherman, you know, tell me what you remember about Stanford
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  Sherman. You're really interesting.
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  And he says, yeah, I've been, Ron Silverman said, yeah, Yeah,
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  I've been trying to get a hold of him.
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  And I said, oh, it says on this one particular thing that he died.
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  I forget the date. It's on there. I think it's on his IMDb page.
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  Okay. Not that IMDb is always accurate, but.
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  No, pretty good. It does have a date of death on there. Oh, yeah.
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  Whether that's true or not is anyone's guess.
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  But, yeah, he would have been, yeah, just, I mean, like you say,
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  the longer, the further away they get from these things, the,
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  you know, oh, I don't remember that much or whatever.
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  There may be some times though when you do end up interviewing them,
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  And they sort of start off, well, I don't remember too much.
• 25:59
  But after that, you start talking about it for a bit. Like I remember I interviewed
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  Gary Daniels regarding one of Albert
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  Pune's films, Nights, with Chris Christopherson and Lance Hendrickson.
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  And he initially said he didn't remember much, but the more we talked about
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  it, he says, oh, now I remember, you know.
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  And then he went away and he found some photos and it was really cool.
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  And yeah, so I said, sometimes, you know, talking about it gets the wheels.
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  Yeah going because sometimes you know when you just throw
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  the question like oh that was 30 years ago
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  or whatever yeah but you know yeah yeah i get the you know you push to the point
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  where you feel like okay no they don't they don't really yeah you know i i reached
• 26:44
  out to a ton of people i wish i had that list in front of me i've reached out
• 26:47
  to almost everyone that was cast and crew,
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  extra, PA, it didn't matter.
• 26:54
  I'd still love to hear what Liam Mason if he would talk with.
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  He was the first person I reached out to and I got a hold of his agent and he
• 27:01
  said he was busy shooting a movie, which maybe he's Naked Gun,
• 27:04
  I don't know at the time, because this was probably almost two years ago I started this.
• 27:09
  And the response was something like, he doesn't have the time, he's on a project.
• 27:14
  And basically he wasn't too proud of his role in that movie,
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  which i love him in that movie yeah so they
• 27:21
  he was respectfully declined but uh
• 27:24
  yeah i reached out to ken i never got in touch
• 27:27
  with ken marshall but a friend of mine went to that they had
• 27:30
  something in california oh yeah that convention where they were both there or
• 27:34
  something yeah and he met with lyzette and anthony and ken marshall pitched
• 27:38
  him on the interviews i got very close to lyzette anthony trying to get her
• 27:42
  to do the interview i never could get it done but ken marshall was just like
• 27:46
  nope i'm not in the business anymore i'm not interested he's like i got kind of,
• 27:50
  treated badly it didn't do a lot of
• 27:53
  good for my career after that movie so he kind of has a bad taste
• 27:56
  in his mouth about it but he's a super nice guy
• 27:59
  but yeah the only person i could never actually
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  find i reached out to his agent as a publicist i even reached out to his son
• 28:06
  was alan armstrong yeah that would have been good which he's my favorite character
• 28:11
  torque well in the movie right i never that was the one of the few people i
• 28:14
  never even got a response back at all so that would have been good he's also good in uh,
• 28:21
  I like him as the police chief. I really love this Rooka Hale movie called Split
• 28:25
  Second. Yeah. Yeah. He's the police chief in that.
• 28:29
  I like him in Braveheart. I don't know. People with tons are a menace.
• 28:35
  Yeah, I would have loved to interview. I think there's a real possibility,
• 28:40
  though, that I'll get an updated release of this book.
• 28:46
  Since it's been published, I think some people are like, oh,
• 28:49
  he's not going to actually publish it.
• 28:50
  This is a waste of time but since it's been published i had
• 28:53
  a couple people that i can't say yet because i'm completely committed
• 28:56
  that are like oh it did come out i do
• 28:59
  like that book i've heard good things maybe i will be interviewed so
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  i might have an expanded version of this in the near future hopefully
• 29:05
  uh-huh well if you want if you want i
• 29:08
  could i could transcribe i've got the that interview
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  with ron pelman that you could put in there i'm not that's
• 29:15
  common ron silverman yeah i knew
• 29:17
  what you're talking about yeah but yeah yeah it could
• 29:21
  beef it up and and you could probably put you could
• 29:24
  put in my there my my unmade sequel script
• 29:27
  as well if you want yeah let's do it hopefully someone
• 29:32
  will read it and then they'll go yeah yeah yeah yeah heck
• 29:36
  yeah that'd be awesome oh people
• 29:39
  have always asked me you know because like people you're a screenwriter you're
• 29:42
  a fan did you ever like yeah of course of course
• 29:46
  i've written a sequel of course i know where
• 29:49
  the story goes right right yeah i mean yeah look it's it's it's handwritten
• 29:55
  i'd have to type it but you know because you know people people think that that
• 30:01
  screenwriters only write the when the films come out oh that's the only films
• 30:04
  that you write you know we write all the time the film's going to get made.
• 30:08
  But you've got to keep writing.
• 30:13
  You've got to keep dreaming, especially if you're going to get the job done
• 30:18
  because as you know now for a fact, these things don't write themselves.
• 30:21
  These books don't come together on their own.
• 30:24
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• 30:49
  So, yeah, so you lucky people in the U.S. can get over. Now,
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  The unofficial film companion, Eric Wofford, we look forward,
• 31:01
  mate, to where you're going to go next with these. It's going to be awesome.
• 31:06
  And, yeah, if you want to beef this one up, do another edition.
• 31:09
  I'll get that Ron Silverman interview in there for you if you want.
• 31:12
  Yeah, I'd love to. Whatever I work on in the future, I'll certainly send it
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• 31:19
  You know, that might be the next one. Yeah, cool. Cool.
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  Eric Wathard, my guest. Good to talk to you again, mate.
• 31:38
  Thank you very much as a lifetime fan of the film my favorite film it was an
• 31:44
  honor and a privilege and i thank you uh very sincerely for allowing me to be
• 31:48
  part of uh at least one of the products.
• 31:52
  Of troll that i could manage to get my hands on there
• 31:55
  was all this cool stuff i really want a pinball machine i
• 31:58
  really want i really want to get i know that
• 32:01
  fame is an empty purse eat it
• 32:04
  go brook seek it no what is it count
• 32:07
  it go broke eat it go hungry seek it and
• 32:10
  go mad so i forget
• 32:13
  the fame but if i had to throw away cash i'd really like to get my hands
• 32:16
  on one of those crawl pinball machines oh yeah yeah
• 32:20
  copy of the book i've seen cats online selling like
• 32:23
  you know how they get their comic books like appraised i've
• 32:27
  seen a few of those going for sensible prices online
• 32:30
  of the crawl like some 9.6s and
• 32:33
  9.2s oh yeah i've got i've
• 32:36
  got one but it's uh it's who knows what score it
• 32:39
  is probably like a 2.5 but hey
• 32:42
  it's readable i like it because i mean i have i have mine
• 32:45
  from like back in the day in like a plastic sleeve
• 32:48
  but it's it's it's uh i i don't touch
• 32:51
  it try to touch it too much because it'll fall to pieces i'm pretty sure
• 32:54
  right because i read it a lights like it's been loved yeah it's well it's well
• 32:59
  worn it's well read as all of you people should be well read get over get down
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• 33:12
  Film companion eric wofford thank you
• 33:16
  once again mate for being my guest on cinema you
• 33:19
  thank you ken thank you for contributing to the book anytime a
• 33:22
  girl of ancient name she'll become queen she will choose a king and together
• 33:28
  they shall rule our world and their son like this book shall rule the galaxy
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• 33:44
  My guest, Eric Wofford.
• 33:46
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