Latest / Cinema Yūgen / Trauma, Obsession & Indie Grit — Patrick D. Green on Beau Ideal
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- 0:00G'day. That's right. It's that time again. Time for... CINEMA! YOOGEEEAAAAAAA!
- 1:08Yes, Eugenites, welcome back. Filmmaker, actor, indie powerhouse Patrick D.
- 1:15Green drops into the show to talk about one of this year's most gripping,
- 1:19the stunning psychological thriller, Bo Ideal.
- 1:23At a time when intelligent adult dramas have nearly vanished from our multiplex
- 1:28screens, Green and co-director Ed Blott have delivered a slow-burned suburban
- 1:32nightmare, cut by the same cloth of What Lies Beneath, Little Children,
- 1:38and the dark Americana David Lynch liked to tease.
- 1:43Tense emotional, volatile, and armed with a climax that lands like a hammer-blow bow ideal.
- 1:51Is proof that Daring Cinema hasn't disappeared, it's simply gone indie.
- 1:55Green stars as Jake, a man attempting to outrun childhood drama in the quiet
- 2:01stillness of small-town Oregon, only to spiral into paranoia.
- 2:06Obsession, and emotional collapse after suspecting a neighbour of abusing his son.
- 2:12What begins as concern becomes a powder keg of guilt, rage, and moral reckoning,
- 2:18with Green delivering a raw, fearless performance.
- 2:20Simmering with anxiety and wounded fury
- 2:24alongside him eric martin reed is magnetic
- 2:27as the intimidating dave while michelle treasure grounds
- 2:30the chaos with aching emotional realism visually
- 2:34the film is extraordinary and blotts award-winning cinematography
- 2:37drenches every frame in creepy dread with alejandro medina's
- 2:42score pulsing behind the
- 2:44surface like a warning siren every glance
- 2:49feels loaded every silence dangerous this
- 2:53isn't nostalgia filmmaking or empty imitation
- 2:56bow ideal is the real thing intelligent emotionally
- 3:00charged cinema made by artists refusing
- 3:03to wait for hollywood's permission to tell bold stories
- 3:06this episode slides deep into the filmmaking the psychological
- 3:10tension the performance artistic risk
- 3:13and the making of a film that deserves to be
- 3:16spoken about far louder than it currently is patrick
- 3:19d green is here ladies and gentlemen
- 3:22bow ideal is his movie get down to the links in the description to read my review
- 3:29from filmthreat.com and the website bowidealthemovie.com to check it out and
- 3:35where you can find it bow ideal will blow your mind, but right now please welcome my guest.
- 3:41The intensely and immaculately talented Mr. Patrick D.
- 3:49Green. Welcome to Cinema Eugen, Patrick.
- 3:52Oh, Ken, thank you so much for having me. Mate, thank you so much for being
- 3:56here, and thank you so much for making this picture Bo ideal.
- 4:00I have to say that when it popped up in the slate of films given us to review
- 4:05Film Threat, I, like some of the last sort of good indie dramas, thrillers,
- 4:13dramedies that I've seen, I was lured to specifically sort of by the very short
- 4:19description of the film, which, which struck me in the beginning as kind of
- 4:24a what lies beneath story,
- 4:25but without the supernatural element, obviously.
- 4:30Was that film a, a touchstone for you going into this at all?
- 4:34You know, not specifically that one, but I do love kind of the early arts,
- 4:40nineties, even eighties thrillers.
- 4:42Yeah. I only bring it up because it, it, I thought Zemecki, I like,
- 4:47I kind of, when it goes supernatural, when it leans into the supernatural,
- 4:52I think it loses something.
- 4:53But those early scenes where Michelle Pfeiffer is curious as to the neighbor
- 4:59and his wife and their relationship, I thought was the more compelling thing.
- 5:05Part of the story like once it becomes a ghost story you kind of you know where
- 5:09it's going but i really like those early very atmospheric exchanges you know
- 5:14when she's up at the fence.
- 5:16And she's like yeah and and then all of a sudden boom the chick's there she has,
- 5:21and like she tells her something and runs away and then she goes and
- 5:24tells harrison for you know i think the neighbor is beating his wife or whatever
- 5:26yeah so good yeah so
- 5:30i mean that that was the only reason i brought that up because kind
- 5:34of like in bow ideal the early elements or
- 5:36the seed of of what is going to to carry the
- 5:40narrative of your story sort of begins that way with
- 5:43this with the your character witnessing something you know to be to keep it
- 5:51vague because like i said i don't want to spoil this too much for anybody but
- 5:54once he sees once he sees this particular event it then leads that's kind of
- 5:59the chain reaction which leads him down,
- 6:02this path of intrigue almost sort of amateur sleuth and then it becomes like
- 6:07this posturing jewel between oh you know the the city guy and the country guy
- 6:13and you know all that sort of stuff right you know i mean uh what so what was
- 6:18the what was the the germ of this.
- 6:21Story i mean because you are the the epicenter of
- 6:25this film the writer the director the producer yeah
- 6:28so first of all it was the location it
- 6:31was near mount hood in the pacific northwest oregon this
- 6:35beautiful river the salmon river and just
- 6:39kind of having moved out there from the city and
- 6:42yeah that kind of cultural difference with with kind of the more mountain you
- 6:47know rural folk yeah me the city boy right right so this so so the germ was
- 6:54an actual life experience ago this is an interesting sort of germ for something.
- 7:00Yeah, and I actually used to work for Children's Protective Services.
- 7:04Ah, okay. Right, okay. Yeah.
- 7:09Okay, so wow. Okay, so now it's getting interesting. Okay, so the plot thickens.
- 7:13So, okay, so this is very close to home. You're drawing from...
- 7:20Life experience yeah and actually personal
- 7:23experience as well okay yeah generational trauma
- 7:26in the family and that kind of thing right right no because
- 7:30it does it does feel like that i mean
- 7:33i i think that
- 7:36the most resonant material is
- 7:40when an artist of any kind be
- 7:43it an author filmmaker actor truly leans
- 7:48into something to a story that they they're
- 7:51almost the only person that can tell it based on everything
- 7:54that's happened to them and everything they've experienced do you
- 7:57feel that way yeah i i certainly do
- 8:00i think a lot of what i was thinking about here was you
- 8:03know this this idea that we as men want
- 8:06to be the hero in a lot of different situations and because
- 8:09you know a lot of the times we're not really allowed to you.
- 8:13Know deal with our own personal trauma and stuff we
- 8:16we kind of do it with a short-sighted nature you know
- 8:19right what doesn't kill you makes it
- 8:21makes you stronger yeah we want to think that
- 8:24don't we yeah that's that's kind of like the the big
- 8:27uh the band-aid to sort of
- 8:30gloss over it like well i survived it so it
- 8:33didn't cross my eyes so it must be okay yeah but
- 8:37really the the scars the damage is is
- 8:40something that's more internal and and you know
- 8:43just like something cancer is it it grows silently
- 8:46until it becomes all consuming wouldn't you say yeah yeah i completely agree
- 8:52and you see that with our our hero here shape you know yeah he's i mean but
- 9:00he's already i mean at the start of the story your character is already on edge.
- 9:05Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's, he's, he's already tense. I mean,
- 9:09I mean, was, is that intentional?
- 9:12Like he's, he's already kind of wound up and this is meant, this is meant to
- 9:16be the big unwinding, but it almost sort of.
- 9:19Binds him tighter, if that's possible. Yeah, yeah.
- 9:23I mean, he's going through a lot with his own personal family,
- 9:26and then he's put in this situation where he sees a very similar thing going on next door.
- 9:32So, yeah, he wants to insert himself into it. I also like the subplot with the
- 9:38sister and how that sort of comes in and out.
- 9:42Yeah, I kind of considered them to be trauma twins in a way.
- 9:46You know, they kind of family abuse and they're dealing with things in different ways.
- 9:51Yeah. But she's more, she's more at the forefront because she's kind of like
- 9:55the bridge, but the pacifier in between, like, like, can't we just get along
- 10:00for this half an hour and then you can go back to hating each other later on, you know? Right.
- 10:07You know, it's like true siblings are, right? Yeah. Yeah.
- 10:10Because it's almost like there's one of you that, and, and, you know,
- 10:14in some cases it's often expected to be the oldest sibling, but,
- 10:17but oftentimes it's either the younger or the middle one.
- 10:19Who's like the, you know, it was like the Bee Gees.
- 10:22If you ever watched interviews while they were all still here,
- 10:25the middle brother was like the bridge between the youngest and the oldest who
- 10:29apparently were at each other's throats at times.
- 10:34So he was like, I'm the calm one in the middle. I'm the one both call.
- 10:39Oh, could you go and tell Robin that, you know, we're going to do the He goes,
- 10:42why don't you call Robin?
- 10:43And he's just like, well, you talk to him more than I do and all that sort of thing.
- 10:47But, yeah. I'm a middle child. I get it.
- 10:50Yeah. Oh, so you've been, look, man, you're the perfect man to write and direct
- 10:55this movie. You've been all of these characters.
- 10:58And it makes sense in a lot of ways. Because, I mean, that's why they're so
- 11:03well written is because you know them so well. Is that?
- 11:06Oh, I appreciate it. You know, this was my first time trying to write something myself.
- 11:10Wow. Wow, wow, man, okay, I've found the bar, folks, and here it is.
- 11:16First, wow, first, so this is your first screenplay, you've never read it?
- 11:23Have you written something before this or not i've written
- 11:26in you know just a couple shorts in the past but okay wow
- 11:29so the first feature screenplay well this is a this
- 11:32is a huge accomplishment patrick this is a very
- 11:35very well written extremely well written
- 11:38character story and that's
- 11:41man i know people will will ho-hum
- 11:45and i have cinephile friends that ho-hum at me for
- 11:48liking films that are mostly just people talking in rooms but
- 11:52i said what is oppenheimer right there
- 11:55you go it's mostly people talking um
- 11:59you know and look there was
- 12:02a very famous filmmaker once said that the greatest landscape you can catch
- 12:05in the cinema is the landscape of the human face i love that you know and and
- 12:11it's true and to watch your character run an absolute gamut of emotions while
- 12:17doing something that he fully heartily is,
- 12:20is almost on a spiritual soulful level invested in like, well,
- 12:26I couldn't save myself, but maybe I can save this kid and I'm not going to let
- 12:33this kind of abuse continue.
- 12:37If I have the power to stop it. Right. And that's like, I mean,
- 12:42for him, it's like the shining, like I'm the knight in shining armor.
- 12:46I mean, that's the way he's justifying. But in the end, it's,
- 12:49it's going to end with something very, very, very dark. Yeah.
- 12:55And, and sinister, you know, which, which kind of like, that must've been tough.
- 13:01Like when you're writing that and you come to that that turn
- 13:05like what was that like
- 13:08in in the writing is it something like well you've got your outline and was
- 13:14there ever a point when you were writing this i guess the question is where
- 13:17you went off the outline and it kind of your personal your own personal sort
- 13:23of self just sort of takes over and you just go i know how this goes right,
- 13:28yeah i don't know if this says a
- 13:31lot about me or not but i am kind of drawn to the darkness you know kind of
- 13:36a melancholy kind of and people and i i feel like you know because i've been
- 13:42i've been an actor a long time too you know as i was writing it like the the
- 13:46characters just start to have their own voice and then the story just.
- 13:50It just be, it just appears. It's not something that I could,
- 13:53you know, mold or shape or create.
- 13:56It just, it, it had to be the story that it was. There was nothing else. Yeah.
- 14:02No, it's, oh, you don't, honestly, I know, I know it sounds like I'm blowing
- 14:07fan smoke up your keys, but I just, I was so honestly like,
- 14:12you know, like, I don't know what, what I know what,
- 14:17I know what people expect when they go to
- 14:20something that's worth a hundred million dollars and
- 14:23big bright and shiny and you can't not know this
- 14:26movie's coming out because it's everywhere it's on the side of buses
- 14:29it's on the junk food that you get on the
- 14:32way through the drive-through it's on your phone
- 14:35every time there's an ad in between something else that
- 14:38you're trying to watch and there's 50 ads now there's more
- 14:41ads on the internet than there used to be on tv oh so
- 14:44true but with these
- 14:47with really quality personal very
- 14:52polished indie pictures like this it's it's it's it's like almost a miracle
- 14:59sometimes that you trip over and i've seen so many good films that really should
- 15:04and deserve to be seen you seem to lay i mean sheerly by.
- 15:10The nature of like, not just how much you can throw behind it as far as promotion
- 15:15and advertising and word of mouth is concerned, but also at the, at the level of,
- 15:21well, there are now billions of voices screaming into the void for attention
- 15:26and so much product and everyone can now,
- 15:30like the democratization of the art form is, is even more so than it was in
- 15:35the, when, when digital video and the final cut pro and all that sort of came
- 15:40out and it was like, wow, we don't need a film camera anymore.
- 15:43You've got a laptop and a camcorder. You can do something.
- 15:47And now iPhones as well, but the line still exists. It was a great line by Harrison, Ellen Shaw.
- 15:55Who said Shakespeare never had a word processor. We have word processors. We have no Shakespeare.
- 16:01And that's very true. But it's not true in a sense because there are really
- 16:05marvelous filmmakers out there and incredible writers too, like yourself.
- 16:11It's just they're harder to – you really have to now, more than ever,
- 16:16you have to sift through the great mass of media. I mean, how do you,
- 16:21now this is, I mean, this is your debut feature.
- 16:27How do you feel about it as, as someone trying to get their film seen?
- 16:34You know? Oh, it feels like pushing a huge boulder up a giant, right?
- 16:39Like, you know, I, I think if I allowed myself to get too consumed thinking
- 16:47about that, I would give up altogether.
- 16:49Right right don't tell me how hard the mountain
- 16:52is hey yeah yeah just climb
- 16:55yeah yeah just don't tell me when i'm getting there right
- 16:58don't tell me the odds yeah i think that
- 17:01the thing is you know like there's no way i can compete with hollywood right
- 17:04this was made on a micro budget you know i couldn't afford you
- 17:07know a name actor or anything this is
- 17:09something where i really feel like as an independent artist if you're doing
- 17:15it for the the actual craft of it that's you know that's the part that is really
- 17:21worth more than anything is like I told a story and I told it the best I could, you know, I, I.
- 17:28You know i i feel like you know if you're writing something very personal it
- 17:33will connect to someone else and it will find an audience and that's what i
- 17:38feel like i just really have to have faith and,
- 17:40yeah yeah because i mean i i guess that
- 17:43if you uh as i have known people if
- 17:47you don't sort of see results like people feel
- 17:50like oh well i put so much into this project it's got
- 17:53to pay off it's got to do something right because like you say what they're
- 17:58what they're aiming for and and the longer you go on in this business the longer
- 18:03you see what people are actually aiming for because it is defined by their choices
- 18:08in in in sort of next steps like okay they did this,
- 18:13you know as a screenwriter myself i'm always like as much as i enjoy what i'm
- 18:18working on now i'm i'm constant there's part of my brain that's already constantly
- 18:22thinking about the next one and the next one.
- 18:26Because it's about, it's about survival really.
- 18:29I mean, if you want to, if you want to stick, if you want to stick in it and,
- 18:34and keep in it, you have to like sort of plan.
- 18:37You have to almost be a chess player in some sense and think a couple of moves and,
- 18:42uh yeah you really do and i
- 18:44feel like you know for me this this one film
- 18:47bow ideal is kind of a calling card that hey i can
- 18:50do something i can write a story i can edit it
- 18:53i direct it you know i can put that
- 18:56out there and i have something to point to in the meantime
- 18:59you know i'm working on two other screenplays and i hope
- 19:02to have you know bigger budgets and and and
- 19:05all of that i hope so too and just keep just keep going you
- 19:08know yeah geez i hope you do so now now
- 19:12you've now you've put some sugar on the table may you
- 19:15tant may you tantalize us with with simply the the genres that you are uh are
- 19:21they dramas well so like one is a drama kind of a dark drama zone of avoidance
- 19:29is what it's called it's about a middle and to who returns to his hometown after
- 19:33nearly 30 years being away,
- 19:35and he's looking for his long-lost brother who allegedly ran away when they were children. Hmm.
- 19:43And then E-T-A-N-A is another one. It's more in the line of a dark thriller.
- 19:48It's about two very different couples, one a drug-seeking couple and another
- 19:52a queer couple who's trying to rebuild their relationship after a traumatic
- 19:57thing that happened to them.
- 19:59And so these two couples converge at this cabin in the middle of nowhere.
- 20:04Yes. Yeah. True. I'm so.
- 20:08I'll be there. What was that? Day one. I've already got two tickets for both.
- 20:15Nice yeah selling tickets individually yeah
- 20:19why not you know i mean look the
- 20:22studio i mean look the odyssey was selling tickets a
- 20:25year before it came out so why
- 20:28not jump in there early like don't don't worry
- 20:31about having written the script yet like here's the next
- 20:34movie i'm gonna make i'll go around one ticket at
- 20:37a time and then
- 20:40and then you'll have the budget and then you'll have a year
- 20:42to make the movie and then there you go yeah just keep
- 20:46going man just keep going no it's no it's
- 20:49fantastic it's great and certainly after
- 20:52seeing beau ideal you know anything you do next i'm i'm i'm very very eager
- 20:59to see like and and do you plan do you plan to keep being in them as well are
- 21:05you looking just to to in some cases just right and direct or are you happy doing the full Monty.
- 21:13Well, unless I age out of these projects, the plan is that I would be in them.
- 21:19Yeah, I'm just a narcissist actor here.
- 21:22Hey, look, Woody Allen made a career out of it.
- 21:26Yeah, there you go. I know he's a hot topic because of his post and all that
- 21:32sort of thing, but you cannot deny the genius of that.
- 21:35I completely agree. He's an inspiration. generation
- 21:38right right right a film year and direct a
- 21:41film a year for 50 years he is almost
- 21:44peerless except for the early filmmakers like buster
- 21:47keaton and charlie chaplin yeah in that
- 21:51respect so yeah okay some of
- 21:53the latter pictures like the the one
- 21:57with barking joaquin phoenix i thought was a bit boring and
- 22:00wonder wheel and some of the latter ones weren't as good
- 22:03but like peak peak woody allen like
- 22:0670s woody allen even early 80s
- 22:09woody allen was did you like match point where
- 22:12he did his own yes yes and also also
- 22:15a little talked about one cassandra's dream the
- 22:18one with ewan mcgregor and colin oh i haven't seen yeah check that one out really
- 22:23good up your alley as far as dark family stuff and with regards to the one you
- 22:29were talking about the better dude who comes home after a long time have you
- 22:33seen the australian film the dry,
- 22:36The Dry. D-R-Y? Yeah, it's just called The Dry, and it stars Eric Banner.
- 22:42Oh, I love Eric Banner. I'll check that out. Yeah, watch that one.
- 22:48That's a similar story. Not about a guy who goes back to find something,
- 22:54but he's called back because a friend of his has died, and there's a funeral.
- 23:01Oh, okay. But they have died under suspicious circumstances.
- 23:04I won't say anything more than that, but, uh, he is, he has,
- 23:09he had a little country town, which he left many years ago. Cause he went off
- 23:13and joined the federal police.
- 23:14So obviously he's in the city. And of course now that he'd come back for this
- 23:19funeral, now the folks of the, the chappy who's dead, former friend of his,
- 23:25is going to ask him to hang around and, uh,
- 23:28and, uh, you know, dig under the rug and I'm intrigued.
- 23:32So yeah the dry eric banner check that
- 23:35one out too i reckon that will be definitely up up your alley uh
- 23:39yeah and and and might might lend a bit of of inspiration too for your uh for
- 23:45your film as well because it has it has it has well not exactly the same plot
- 23:50but a similar thing like a guy coming back to his past and and all that sort
- 23:54of thing that's a good stuff yeah i mean i And also,
- 23:59too, I re-watched recently Trainspotting 2, which I only watched once back when it came out.
- 24:06The sequel, I have only watched that one once as well. I just recently watched the first one again.
- 24:11Yeah, and I watched the sequel and I liked it much better the second time I
- 24:15watched it because now I get sort of what they were going for because it's a
- 24:20different kind of movie.
- 24:21It's about these guys, you know, there's actually a line in the film where he
- 24:24says, like, you're a tourist in your own childhood or something like that.
- 24:28You're a tourist in your own past or something like that, you know.
- 24:31When you go back and look at old houses and old haunts and hang out with old mates.
- 24:36You know what i mean it's so yeah i'll have
- 24:39to check that one out again i've only seen it the once but isn't it fascinating how
- 24:42like just in like a different time period of
- 24:45your life and where you're at like a movie can go from being really
- 24:48bad to being really good yeah it's like
- 24:51that thing they talk about you know you when you listen when you're
- 24:53a kid listening to the song you listen to the beat and when you're older
- 24:56you listen to the lyrics or the lyrics sense or
- 24:59something like that you know because it's it's
- 25:02it's like you in when you're young you sort of bop
- 25:06into the beat but when you're older you listen to the lyrics and the
- 25:08lyrics sort of have more meaning because the you know
- 25:11yeah you're not hip enough to dance
- 25:14to the beat and if you are you you're considered uh
- 25:17oh god don't realize
- 25:20how you realize how dirty all
- 25:23the lyrics were yeah yeah it's just like wow
- 25:26i didn't i don't remember ever coming
- 25:29across that way but yeah don't think about masturbation
- 25:33yeah yeah it's crazy right and like
- 25:36detachable penises and yeah it's like
- 25:40wow we used to listen to like dennis leary singing about
- 25:43what an asshole he was and and yeah it was some crazy stuff let's do it like
- 25:50we do on the discovery channel yeah it's like wow it's great to watch kids today
- 25:58watch like discovering like they make these clips of themselves listening to to.
- 26:0490s music and 80s music like like we
- 26:07used to hear music from the 50s and stuff like yeah
- 26:10isn't this quaint like detachable penis isn't that
- 26:13funny yeah it's
- 26:16uh yeah it's it's really fun it's also fun watching them too like watching sort
- 26:21of uh notorious films from back in our day like you know first viewing of deliverance
- 26:27and first viewing oh yeah of of you know i don't know nine and a half weeks
- 26:32or something like that, or angel heart or something like that.
- 26:35And they're like, Oh my God, how intense, how, how sexually graphic.
- 26:43My goodness.
- 26:46Mother, best cover your eyes, I think.
- 26:51This stuff. It always happens when you're watching a movie like that with your, your parents, you know?
- 26:55Yeah. Yeah. It was crazy. Well, I remember watching a deliverance with my,
- 27:00with my father um yeah
- 27:04and it came to that scene because i mean you watch it
- 27:06now and it's and it while it is very it's
- 27:10clearly what's going on but visually it's
- 27:14only suggesting it's not graphic right as opposed to like but but i think in
- 27:19some cases your mind remembers it to be more graphic than it actually wants
- 27:24it's true like look at even psycho like everything that happens about The shots
- 27:29were amazing, but you don't really see a lot.
- 27:31There's not a lot of blood. I mean, except for that little bit where you see
- 27:34the water running down the. Yeah.
- 27:37There's not, I mean, there's not blood all over the, I mean,
- 27:41have you said, did you see Gus Van Zandt when he did like the shot per shot?
- 27:44Remake of psycho yeah and
- 27:48and vince vaughn plays the yeah anthony
- 27:51perkins yeah yeah ashes is is
- 27:54the that cast was amazing yeah and julianne moore vigo mortensen from memory
- 28:00yeah yeah but i mean and it was interesting to watch it like literally shot
- 28:06for shot and and and like hitchcock he didn't You know, like,
- 28:11cause today with the remake,
- 28:13they're more tempted to like, well, there wasn't much blood in the shower scene
- 28:16then, but guess what we're going to do.
- 28:18Right. We've got a, we've got a water truck filled with liquid blood outside.
- 28:24We're going to fill the shower with blood. It's going to be the shining Mark six.
- 28:31She's going to be stabbed once. And then the shower of blood is going to come skating down.
- 28:36It's going to wash her out of the shower. In fact, out of the room in the hotel completely.
- 28:41The river of blood will cascade down the highway and even watch the cop car
- 28:45that's rushing out to the scene off the road any kind of restraint these days
- 28:51is considered like unusual yeah we've got a hundred million dollars we can afford
- 28:57it let's put robert downey jr in as the killer.
- 29:05Who's also the the who plays
- 29:08uh the cop as well because he's got a twin brother who's on
- 29:11the other side of the law this summer
- 29:14yeah no
- 29:17it's it's crazy stuff it's the movie
- 29:20business is such a volatile field to
- 29:24play in wouldn't you yeah i it's such a strange time in the movie business too
- 29:30because yeah it feels like something's about to happen but i'm not sure what
- 29:34i i don't know if it's gonna be good or bad yeah yeah it's like it's literally
- 29:38like i i feel like everyone's standing on this great precipice looking down,
- 29:43Uh, at something that's about to either rise or, or, or maybe we're going to
- 29:49be looking down and something's going to come from on top, you know,
- 29:52the horror movies where they're looking around the room, but the thing that
- 29:54they're looking for is up on the ceiling, looking down,
- 29:57you know, it's just like, Hey, it's true.
- 30:01I was waiting for that moment where, where the actor's face fills the camera
- 30:05and then they hear something or some goop touches you on the shoulder.
- 30:12Is this a good goop or bad goop yeah is that snot yeah it better be.
- 30:22Yeah as long as it's as long as it's uh what is the old stuff k-y jelly yeah
- 30:28yeah or burger grease or whatever they used to use,
- 30:33but uh yeah as long as it's not actually actual ectoplasm
- 30:37we we will we will restrain from having
- 30:40a fit and running as fast as to see that's why i
- 30:43have to like encourage everyone to just get out there and make your
- 30:46own stuff because who knows what's going to do
- 30:48yeah that's true and and i personally think that
- 30:51with the strength of films like yours and the strength of
- 30:54a lot of the indies i've seen in the last year or
- 30:57so working with the film threat it's been
- 31:01absolutely staggering and i agree with
- 31:03the editor of film threat alan ing and saying that
- 31:06indie revolution is is in full effect it's
- 31:09not coming it's here and i think that with with passionate and and really really
- 31:16awesome filmmakers like yourself leading the charge it's it's only going to
- 31:20go upwards and and and the moment of the new easy riders and raging bulls riding
- 31:26into hollywood from the indie scene is
- 31:28not a question of how but when right yeah i agree it's just keep pushing that
- 31:33boulder up the mountain right yeah i mean and again don't think about how high
- 31:38the mountain is and and as harrison ford famously once said don't tell me the odds,
- 31:44Yeah, just go into the asteroid field. You might get hit, you might not.
- 31:50One step after the other. Yeah. In the movie business, you're after a hit though. That's the thing.
- 31:56You want to strike. You want to strike. You want to be like that dude in, in, uh, in Pale Rider.
- 32:03You know, he's hanging away with that big boulder and then all of a sudden he
- 32:05cracks it. And the largest gold nugget in history is beneath it.
- 32:10And then he gets killed. He goes to town to get drunk to celebrate and he gets shot. Poor bugger.
- 32:16That can happen in Hollywood too. You just get to the top of the mountain.
- 32:19You get the rock all the way to the top and then you die from the shot you get
- 32:24pushed off yeah you know or you say something stupid right at the last,
- 32:32right but look the the it's not a job it's an adventure and that's exactly right
- 32:38the idea of a quest is it's it's it's ongoing it doesn't a quest never really
- 32:43has an end you know no adventure has an end of quest kind of keeps going.
- 32:49Journey is what it's about, right? Yeah. It's like the, it's like the Odyssey
- 32:52only it, it doesn't have Matt Damon in it.
- 32:55And yeah. I mean, look, if Matt Damon wanted to be in my Odyssey too,
- 32:59I'd say, sure. Why not? I would, I would let Matt Damon join one of my movies anytime.
- 33:04Yeah. I mean, he's look from, from like having watched now, it's,
- 33:07it's weird now. Like having watched Matt Damon go all the way from like school
- 33:11ties to the Bourne identity to now, you know, now Odysseus.
- 33:19And I thought he, I personally thought he was really good in better than he
- 33:23has been in a little while in, in Oppenheimer as the, the asshole general sort of thing. Yeah.
- 33:30Yeah. I thought he was good. Like, cause he usually like, I like it when Matt
- 33:34Damon plays a slight asshole, you know what I mean?
- 33:36Yeah. Like he's good at, he's good at being the, the nice sympathetic,
- 33:41like he can do the hero thing easily, but I think he's more interesting,
- 33:47you know, like I would have liked to see Charlton Heston play more villains.
- 33:51You know what I mean? Like, yeah, like he's good as a hero, but that's like,
- 33:56he can do that in his sleep.
- 33:58You know, like I like it when dudes play, you know, bad guys,
- 34:02you know, like Nicholas K like, I like when Nicholas Cage plays a bad guy.
- 34:08Yes. You know, like, like, like in face off and stuff like that.
- 34:12Not always a crazy bad guy, but sometimes like, you know,
- 34:15one of those, one of those searing like bad
- 34:18guys where it's kind of boiling beneath the surface and
- 34:22you know that you're going to explode at some point you know
- 34:25as an actor like the the villain is the best of all oh sure
- 34:29sure yeah well he's
- 34:32he's the he's the hero but the antithesis of
- 34:35the hero yeah you know and and the stronger the villain is the better because
- 34:40you know you can't really have a you can't have a strong villain and a weak
- 34:44hero nor can you have a strong hero and a weak villain you have to have the
- 34:49equal you got a match right because that's how you get that nice.
- 34:54Nice counterbalance yeah contrast yeah well patrick before we run out of time
- 35:00tell the folks where they can please get over and see beau ideal at their next best convenience,
- 35:08so bow ideals currently on film
- 35:11festival run we got a few festivals coming up in the
- 35:14fall and then it will go to streaming probably in
- 35:17winter so winter 2026 2027
- 35:20and they can check out
- 35:23all the information on the movie at bow ideal movie.com ideal
- 35:27movie.com all the links will be in the
- 35:29description along with my review of film.com bow
- 35:33ideal patrick d green has been my guest patrick
- 35:36i can't wait to see everything you've got
- 35:38coming up it's been a real pleasure to see this film
- 35:41all the best mate and yeah keep pushing that
- 35:45boulder up the hill it's the mountain it's it's
- 35:49there don't worry about it just keep it mate it's fantastic
- 35:52to see what you've done i can't wait to see what you're going to do next oh
- 35:56such a pleasure being here and such a pleasure talking to
- 35:58you thank you so much for having me yes patrick d
- 36:02green bow ideal a film that really snuck
- 36:05um on me and really left me gobsmacked as
- 36:08it will you i promise please seek it
- 36:11out get down to the links in the description check my review
- 36:14at filmthreat.com and check out the film's website
- 36:18at bowidealmovie.com you.
- 36:22Really need to see this it is one heck of
- 36:25an impressive indie thriller see it
- 36:27now you're down to the links in the description and as always my little yuganites
- 36:34thank you for listening to us on spotify iheart radio or wherever you choose
- 36:39to listen to your favorite podcasts i'm kent hill and until next time you've
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