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Breaking Down the Presidential Traverse · Run Mountain Peaks

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OK, guys, this week we are breaking down the Prezi
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Traverse, one of the most iconic routes in the region.
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It's actually the number one ranked regional FKT in the
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northeast, one of the biggest routes, super iconic.
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And I wanted to break it down and I would love to do this for
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a lot of the different routes in the Whites.
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But we're going to start off with the Prezi because the Pemi
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loop is, I mean, if you're doing a Pemi loop, you got to do it
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this weekend or next weekend and then it's done for the year.
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So I thought Prezi would be good.
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So we're going to do a deep dive into this go.
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This will be if you've never done a Prezi or if you're going
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for the FKT, they'll be stuff for everyone.
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We'll go over the rules. What is an F?
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What is the Prezi traverse? What peaks do you have to hit?
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What trails do you have to hit? I did a little bit of research,
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so I think this won't be fun. And then we're going to break
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down some of the times. We're going to breakdown Jack
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Kenzel, he has the FKT for the Prezi.
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We're going to breakdown some of the times.
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We'll go through the different variations.
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I think it'll be good. And we're doing a solo episode
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today. It's been a couple weeks.
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We're doing a solo episode. This is kind of going to be like
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a throwback to some of my first episodes.
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We got a wide range of topics. We had some fun ones, some
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running stuff, but The Maine is going to be the Prezi.
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We're also going to talk about trails and races changing over
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time because that's something I look back at some of these
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records, these FKTS and the trails change over time.
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I mean, the Pemi loop shut down. There's there's trail work going
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on in the Whites at all times. So we'll talk a little bit about
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that. Does it make it harder?
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Does it make it easier? I got a moose story, kind of a
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quick moose story and a trail report from Tecumseh.
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So we'll do that and then we're going to rank my top three
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favorite TV shows of all time. I I've been doing a lot.
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I've been doing a little binging and a lot of thinking and we'll
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go through the top three shows at the end and then we're going
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to do some race results. I messed the Wah Pack and back
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21 and a half miler results from last weekend, which was a
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massive race. Totally messed that up.
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I had the previous year's results.
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I get a text from Connor Brown. He's like, hey, great episode.
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He could have just been saying that and then he goes you messed
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up the results. I was like, Oh no, so I have to
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right the wrong. We're going to go through the
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real results from this year. We got some other race races to
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preview so to go through results on we'll talk about so I'll be
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at the end. We'll talk about the whites
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throw down. This should be a good one.
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Excited for trail season. It is here Memorial Day weekend.
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I didn't even know until today. Yesterday trails were busy.
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Trails are mostly snow free. Holy crap, I'm excited.
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But all right, we got a toast story at the end of the episode.
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If I remember we got a toast story.
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I'm at that busy. And for anyone.
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Yeah, this is just really going to be a throwback episode here
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because I've been doing more like topics, some good
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interviews and stuff. There are some episodes where I
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just go on a topic for a handful of minutes and then just we we
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run through it usually in a in a spot which it's really loud.
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I got cars flying by. I have a kind of a new setup for
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the, the audio for the podcast. So I'm not like dialed in, like
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I'm not 100% sure that I can get all these cars out.
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So if I can't, it's Sunday afternoon.
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So I, I can't reshoot this, this is it.
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But OK, so the Prezi traverse I got, I have like notes all over
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the, the place here. So we're just going to, yeah,
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we'll just start going through some of this stuff.
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So we're going to break down the Prezi traverse.
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What is the Prezi traverse? This is a good question because
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for the FKT, there's various routes, there's lots of peaks in
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the Prezis. Everyone knows the Prezis.
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But what is a traverse? And I went on the the FKT
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website, which is, is kind of where I got a lot of the
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information. But even they are like, it's
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kind of, I don't know, here, here are the rules.
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You know, if most people have done it this way, So this we're
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just going to do it this way. But what they say a Prezi
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traverse is, I mean, let's just break it down, guys.
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Let's use our big brains. You are doing a traverse over
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the the presidentials in the presidential range, right?
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So a traverse point to point, you hit the presidential
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mountains and then you get down. But and and there's a ton of
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trails in the Prezi. So this is what makes it a
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little bit weird. I would say if you hit Madison,
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Adams, Jefferson, Washington, Clay, Eisenhower, Monroe and
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Pierce, if you hit all those peaks, you did a Prezi.
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That's what I would kind of interpret it as because those
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are kind of the peaks. But Clay, isn't it?
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We'll go. We'll go through the president's
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talk. So that's what I would say is
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you got to hit those peaks, but we'll talk about the peaks.
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These are all named after presidents.
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Andrew, Name the presidents off top of your head.
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Don't even don't even put me on blast like that.
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But these are all presidents. So Madison Adams, I don't even
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know if I can do the first name. James Madison.
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John Adams. Jefferson.
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Thomas Jefferson, George Washington.
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OK, Franklin Monroe. I don't know, something
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Eisenhower and something Pierce. OK, so I I got some of them.
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But so they're all named after president.
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But Henry Clay is not a president.
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So this is where the discrepancy comes in.
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Henry, Henry Clay is not a president.
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So you would say if you if I'm doing a Prezi traverse, I don't
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have to hit it. You know, he was just a
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congressman. Wrong.
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You do have to hit clay. So that's one of the peaks that
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you actually do have to hit. That isn't a president.
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And the reasoning on the FKT website is most people have hit
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it and therefore it should be, it should be done.
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So I don't know, is that even a good reason?
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I actually don't even think that's a good reason that most
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people. I don't know if I should say
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that it's not a good reason that most people who got, you know,
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approved for an FKT, they hit it.
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So you should hit it on your FKT because I'm really, I'm speaking
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from the FKT website, but I'm kind of in general saying I
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don't think that's it. That's a great, that's a great
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reason. I do think Clay is a big peak.
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So like you should just hit it, but you don't have to hit all
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the peaks. This is where it gets a little
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bit weird. So anyway, Clay, so you have to
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do Madison, Adams, Jefferson, Washington, they say you got to
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do Clay and then Monroe. I think it's fine.
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After Monroe is oh, OK. Oh yeah, before Franklin.
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No, we'll do Franklin. I think Ben Franklin.
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I don't even know. This is horrible, but Franklin
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is a mountain that is a president.
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But you don't have to do it. The FKT website says most people
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people get really close on Crawford path to doing Franklin,
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but they don't actually summit. So therefore, you don't have to
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do it. So here's like a we have to do
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Clay, but we don't have to do Franklin.
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One's a present 1 isn't This is getting weird.
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I don't know if the trail up to Franklin is actually, I think
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they kind of block it off. I don't know if there's
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vegetation in that zone, but they don't want you to go there
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for some reason. But Franklin's a miss, so you
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don't have to do it. I think on my first Prezi, I hit
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it because I didn't know. I was just trying to get to the
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top of all the peaks so that little Monroe don't even know
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where little Monroe is. I'm going to be honest with you
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people. I'm not a Prezi expert.
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Little Monroe, they say you got to hit it, which is kind of
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weird because in my head Monroe is a president, but but little
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Monroe was was a little Frankie, Little Monroe a president?
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I don't know, but they say you have to hit it.
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And then after that, the only two remaining, the only two
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remaining peaks are Eisenhower and Pierce.
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So once you get the Pierce, you just go right down to Crawford,
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Crawford Notch. And that's like the end.
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That would be the end of the Traverse.
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But everyone says, well, Jackson is a Prezi.
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You know, it's a presidential. It's in the presidential range.
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Why don't you have to hit Jackson?
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He is a president. He is a president.
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Andrew Jackson was a president, the 11th president.
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I don't know Andrew Jackson was a president, but it was not
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named after Andrew Jackson, which is so confusing because
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they must have named them all at the same time.
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But then that one isn't named after a president.
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Was Andrew Jackson president at the time that the the peak was
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named? Maybe not guys.
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Maybe there was only like 8 presidents at the time.
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I didn't really write down any of the any of the dates here,
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but but. So that's it.
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So I would say that's the peaks. They say it's Madison, Adams,
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Jefferson, Clay, Washington, Monroe, Little, Monroe,
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Eisenhower, Pierce. You do those peaks.
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I think it's a Prezi now. The FKT website says the the
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official route for, you know, the Premier route.
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You either start at Appalachia Trailhead or Dolly Cop Trailhead
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and go southbound, hit all of those peaks.
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And then once you hit Pierce, you have to take Crawford Path
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down to the Highland Center down to the Crawford Notch to finish
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it. And I, I don't know.
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So this is we're going to get down into who's running at the
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different times. But if, if people don't know, I
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think the route was originally the FKT was originally done on
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Dolly Kop, summoning Dolly, Dolly Kop going over Madison and
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then down to Matt Hutt where you do the rest of the rest of the
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run. But in some, at some point
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people started going up. Oh my God, I almost said airline
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people started going up Valley way to Madison Hut tagging
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Madison and then coming back down, which it's not really a
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true traverse because you you backtrack on yourself.
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Like I don't know if you would say it's not a true, a fully
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true traverse because like if there's a peak, you got to tag,
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you got to do it. But there is a way for you to
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not backtrack going up Dolly Cop.
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But the route basically got more popular going up Valley Way.
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So for a long time everyone just went up Valley Way and that was
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the Prezi Traverse. And I think that was the the,
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you know, official route. I don't know if Jack Kenzel
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going back and doing it from Dolly Cop impacted the FKT
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website. Like I would be curious to see
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what the FKT website said before Jack did his his recent effort.
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I would assume it already said you could do either and it's
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just built into the history of the route because Jack's
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obviously very thorough on his FKT, so he's not going to like
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make a mistake or do a a super hard effort.
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Even though he already had it when he went again, I don't
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think that he would. He would chance it that it
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wouldn't count. So you know, it would assume
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that they would count. But I do think, I think it's a
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little bit strange to have. I don't know.
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Is it strange to have Basically you can take 2 trails up and
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then the rest of the way you have to kind of follow.
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You have to hit all the peaks and you have to, I don't know if
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it says Stan Crawford Notch because I think notoriously
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Jordan Fields who had it before Jack had it, he missed the trail
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to go up to Adams and he had to backtrack to get Adams and
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obviously they counted his. So it's kind of like you need to
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take 2 trails up, but then you just have to hit all the peaks
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staying on trail, but then you have to go down the specific
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route from Pierce. Not that there's a, an easier
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way off. There's a lot of rules and I
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think about the FKT, we're talking about this with the my
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group chat. I think if the rules are set in
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an FKT, whatever the rules are, some of them are, you know, you
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start here, you end here, DIY, whatever you think is fastest,
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you go for it and you can do it. Some of them is a specific
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defined route. I think as long as the is that
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is clearly spelled, spelled out in the description for the FKT,
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then those are the rules and you can just make up.
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You don't do whatever you think. But but for this one, in my
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head, I really do think that if you go up Valley Way from
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Appalachia or you go up Dolly Cop, I do think it's two
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different routes, which is interesting.
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You know, I think we have two data points from Jack.
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He ran them each way. The second one he runs 7 minutes
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faster. I think it was fitter.
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It's probably hard to compare efforts, but I, I do think one
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of them has to be faster. I just think one of them has to
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be faster. And it would be good to get more
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info on what we think that is. I don't know if that means like
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time trialling, you know, each of the climbs.
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I don't know. It's hard because yeah, you
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basically time trial valley way up to Madison or Dolly cop up to
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Madison. If we had like 50, no, not 50.
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If we had ten data points from people in the same year doing
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the same like all out effort, I don't think anyone would do this
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like sacrifice 2 hard efforts, but maybe then I think we would
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figure out which one was faster. But I do think 11 is faster than
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the other one. I know Jack has mentioned that
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valley way eroding over the years I think impacted his and
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he may have already talked about this.
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So go listen to his FK if I think he want to run the whites
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valley way got more eroded so it's more rocky, more technical
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and that was maybe 1 of the reasons why he went from Dolly
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cop. I also think he just wanted to
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like make put it back to the original root and it's kind of
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like a cleaner, a true traverse. You don't backtrack anywhere.
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So I I do, I do actually like the Dolly cop way better from
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what I was looking at historically, people did that
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for, I don't know, I'm kind of forgetting there was a bunch of
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history on the website. You guys got to go look it up.
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It's a podcast where I ramble and you actually figure out what
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it is what I'm talking about. But I think it is nice to like
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if people were doing this back in the day and it's a cleaner
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route. I do like the Dolly cop and it
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was cool that Jack went and like established that route.
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But I think one has to be faster.
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And me and my brain, it's like, all right, if I can save one
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minute, if I'm going for something like this, I'm going
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to figure out which is faster. And it's it's interesting.
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They could change over time. So Dolly cop I think is a lot
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less popular. So maybe that one, you know, the
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time of that trail is not going to change more.
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Who knows, but that's kind of the official, the official
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route. Another thing I want to talk
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about and we'll go through, yeah, we'll go through the
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times. We're going to break down the
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times and the different variations of the route.
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But another thing I want to talk about is the winter versus
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summer aspect of doing it. This got a lot of controversy
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or, or talk on the FKT website. Ben Thompson said a couple
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really fast times on the the Prezi traverse in winter flying.
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I think one of them was 332. So technically the fastest
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anyone has ever done the F, you know, went over the the Prezis,
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which it's not the FKT, but in a sense it is kind of cool.
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But I think it definitely needs to be in its own category for
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the Prezi specifically, It is it is a completely different route
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when you run it all on snow versus on those crazy rocks in
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the north north Prezis. I don't think that's a hot take.
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I think everyone kind of agrees. But I think this route got so
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much get so much action and kind of notoriety that the winter
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designation is like really quickly we got to separate this
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out. There are some other FK TS in
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the White Mountains where there are winter time on it, which I
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think I, I think really we should try to preserve some of
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the summer, summer times. But if, if a route has been run
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in the winter, then I say go for it.
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You know what I mean? If it's in winter, it's in
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winter. But I did notice on the FKT
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website 5, they defined winter as 500 or more feet of travel on
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snow, which I have never, I've never heard that that before.
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I mean, I think it makes sense. I think they're kind of
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accounting for maybe like the Jefferson snow field or patches
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of snow, you know, when it's melting out like in a May or a
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June. But I never heard 500 feet.
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Is that short? Is that long?
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I don't know. But I thought it was interesting
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that they denoted that. So that's kind of like the rules
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of the of the Prezi stats, stats on the Prezi.
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If you're running the Prezi kind of doing like a more trail
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running effort, it's probably going to be like between 18 and
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19 miles. I think it's 18 miles, but
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watches can vary. So it's usually winds up being
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18 to 19 and then it's usually between 8000 and 9000 feet of
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climbing. That's what you're going to get
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when people hike it watches track slower.
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And if you're doing kind of more like sitting or kind of weaving,
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I don't know, watch it just track slower if you're moving
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slower. So if you hiked it, let's say in
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12 hours, which is still fast, that's, that was like a power,
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that's a very fast hike it you may get closer to 19, you may
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get 19 1/2 right. Some people may get 20.
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But really, I think the route is 18 miles and eight and a half
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1000 feet of climbing. So it's a good it's a good
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route. The route itself, most of that
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climbing, about half of the climbing is just going to be
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going up to Madison. The first climb is a bear.
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If you go up Valley where Ozgood, it's about 4000 feet.
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And I think that's actually kind of good news for a lot of people
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because if you get in the hiking mode or running, if you're
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running, you just get in one mode and then you kind of can
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cruise when you're freshest. And then you get up to the top
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and you're like, all right, I'm done half the climbing.
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The rest of the peaks are are split up pretty good.
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You know, you, you get 1000 feet, but then you get, you
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know, another break to on a descend.
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You get 1000 feet to Jefferson, another break Washington and
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then it's kind of like downhill. So really the first, I think the
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2 battles on the Prezi are getting to Madison, how fast you
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want to go, Do you want to just kill yourself?
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Do you want to save some energy? How are your legs in a feel
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after you get up there? And then from MAD, from from
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Madison to probably Jefferson, I think is the next hardest part.
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And if we're thinking about times there's good climbing in
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there, you got to climb up to Adams.
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It's a pretty good climb, very technical.
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Jefferson's a pretty good climb, but that section is the most
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technical of the whole section. Once you get off Jefferson,
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you're going up to Washington. It's it's pretty tame.
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And once you summit Washington, you have the southern Prezis,
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like they're fairly tame. So I think really how fast you
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climb that first climb and then how fast you get out of that
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super technical area is really going to kind of define your
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day. The rest of it is just can you?
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You know, can you push yourself the rest of the way, you know,
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super hard on kind of more downhill, your legs are going to
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be hurting. But it's less, I think it's a
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little bit less fitness and it's a little bit less technical
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ability. It's more just like how hard can
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you hammer? So that's how I think about it.
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The Northern Prezis, they are, I've said it, I say it a bunch.
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The first time you get up to the northern Prezis, the rocks up
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there are shocking. And we're going to go into some
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facts about the rocks up there. Maybe we can just, we'll just
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get into it. The rocks up there are so
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shocking. They're all jagged.
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It's because the worst weather in the world is Washington.
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Everyone knows like all three storm systems in the air
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converge all the time in the Prezis.
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So it's horrible weather, super windy, super rainy, and these
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rocks are just getting like eroded over thousands, millions
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of years. And you just are left with these
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spiky pointy, there's no good foot placement on any of the
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rocks in the northern Prezis. And every time you get up there
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it's, it's, it's quite shocking when I see people in barefoot
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shoes or 0 shoes or whatever. And the Prezis and the northern
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Prezis, I'm just like, Oh my God, their feet are getting tore
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up. Your feet get torn up because
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you're you're just stepping on these little spots.
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They're all spiky. It's so slow.
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If you fall, you're just falling into all these spiky crevasses.
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It's like, it's almost like a video game.
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It feels like when you're running on there where like if
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you fall off, you you go into like a like one of those, you
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know, traps, like a, like a steel sink trap and you lose a
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life, not a life, but you've definitely some, some blood or
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something. They're super gnarly and, and,
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and I guess we'll throw the facts about how gnarly it are.
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It is Jack Kenzel ran the effort at an 1144 minute per mile pace.
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He has the FKT 3 hours 31 minutes.
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He did the whole thing 720 gap. So he, he ran the whole thing
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with eight 8500 feet of climbing at an 1144 pace.
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His downhill from Madison to Madison Hut a half a mile.
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He ran it at a 1218 minute per mile pace.
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That is, is that even right? I doubled, I double checked it.
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I'm like, I this is right. It's a -26% grade.
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And the best runner in the world who's ever run it.
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I guess the best runner who's ever run it, a world class
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runner is running 12 minute per mile pace.
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This is what I tell people. A lot of people are probably in
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this mode right now getting back out into the Whites on on gnarly
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trails. You're going to be splitting
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12/14/15 eighteen minute per mile downhill in the White
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Mountains because it's it's so gnarly.
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And I think that just speaks to and the northern Prezis are the
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most technical probably anywhere in the Whites.
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So that's kind of just like the crux of of the technicality that
23:08
big climb, but it's super hard. I think a lot of people get it
23:17
is crazy that Jack ran in 331. A lot of people get in the the
23:21
ultra mindset, especially now ultras are more mainstream.
23:26
Cocodona 250 last man standing goes for five days, right?
23:30
These events, 400 miles, 100 miles are kind of we scoff at
23:34
it. And so people will see maybe who
23:38
don't live in the region, they'll see an 18 mile run.
23:41
Like, come on, guys, this isn't like real.
23:44
It is for real. It is a real route.
23:47
When when it is a real route, it's gnarly, it's rugged and a
23:52
lot of people don't think you ran a couple 50 KS.
23:55
You could just come out here and RIP a Prezi traverse it.
23:58
It does not work like that. I promise you that.
24:01
So that was one thing. It's it's a it's a it's a good
24:05
route and it's definitely on the fringe.
24:08
Like what I call it an ultra. I wouldn't call it an ultra per
24:12
SE, but I it is, you know, ultra's over 50 Ki don't know.
24:16
Yeah, I do still think like 30 miles would be an ultra, but it
24:20
is a mountainous, a hard mountainous route for sure.
24:24
So let's get into some of like the the talk.
24:28
All right, Anita, if you guys are watching, you're probably
24:30
just going to be seeing me sifting through all these notes.
24:32
All right, so we'll talk about the actual record itself.
24:35
We'll go. We're going to do a both a men's
24:38
and a women's kind of like recap, but there's been a ton of
24:42
action on the route. The first FKT was done in 20 ten
24:46
459 by I can't even read Jan Wellingford 2010 over the last.
24:54
I mean the last Jack has a record he ran in 2023, but over
24:57
those 13 years there's been 11 new records after the first one.
25:02
So almost every year someone's going after it has lowered it
25:05
and it's just it went from 4:59 to mid fours to low fours to
25:10
high threes to now where it's down to 331 for the men's sign.
25:15
Lots of people rent it and some big names like some of the big
25:19
old school people, some of the big new school people have run
25:23
it. So on the men's side, Ryan
25:25
Welts, Ben Nephew, Ben Thompson, Ryan Atkins, Jordan Fields, Jack
25:29
Kenzel. I mean, these are these are huge
25:32
names and a lot of them have done it multiple times just like
25:36
chipping away, chipping away, chipping away.
25:38
So I think the records come a long ways.
25:40
I think, yeah, that 459 in 2010 is, is like, I don't know.
25:45
How do we equip? What is the yap year adjusted
25:51
pace? Yeah.
25:52
What is the yap from 2010 trail running to now?
25:55
I mean, those guys, I don't know what shoes they're wearing.
25:57
Who knows about what they were eating.
25:59
Like they don't know about high carb.
26:00
They just love the mountains and were really fit a yap.
26:05
I think every 10 years you have to take off like Boo.
26:10
I don't need I don't know, I was going to, I don't know 5 minutes
26:13
per hour maybe I have no idea. Every 10 years take off 5
26:17
minutes per hour on an effort. So basically a 459 yap in 2010,
26:24
if you do 1 and a 1 1/2 decades of yap, that's 7 1/2 minutes per
26:30
hour. 7 1/2 * 5 is 35 plus. We won't even count the plus,
26:36
we'll say 40 minutes. So Jan ran a 420, basically 420.
26:42
There you go. But no, in all seriousness, like
26:46
the shoes are getting better. The fueling's getting better.
26:49
You know, this guy's not eating Morton.
26:50
He was eating, I mean, 2010's not that long ago, but he could
26:54
have been eating just gummy bears, you know what I mean?
26:56
So who knows? But I think it's impressive.
26:59
You just keep whittling the time down.
27:01
And this is like when somebody runs a certain time.
27:07
I think there's something behind.
27:08
Like I don't want to get crazy philosophical here, but I think
27:11
there's something behind or universe or mystical or I don't
27:15
even know what the word is. There's something if if somebody
27:18
else runs a time, a new record, you know, fastest mile, the the
27:22
the two hour marathon, sub two hour marathon, once someone else
27:26
does it, I think it like unlocks.
27:30
I don't know what it unlocks. Maybe belief, you know, maybe
27:32
it's like you can never get 100% out of yourself ever, just
27:36
because there's always more. You can just always unlock more.
27:39
If somebody else ran A15930I can do a 15929.
27:43
I think it kind of works like that.
27:45
And so it's taken like really all of these people have worked
27:48
together over the years to to chip it down.
27:51
So Jack has the FKT now. In 2021, he ran A338-UP Valley
27:56
Way, and then he reran it just to increase the time.
27:59
In 2023, he ran a 331. So that's where the men's is.
28:05
And then on the woman's side, some of the big names that have
28:08
run it again, I think there's maybe there's about 10 efforts
28:11
that have just chipped it, chipped it down over the years.
28:14
Christina Folsic, obviously a White Mountains legend, Jess
28:18
Marion, Lydia Gill, Britta Clark, Lindsay Webster, they've
28:23
just whittled, whittle, whittled.
28:24
And now Lindsay Webster has the women's FKT.
28:27
It's 433. She ran it in 2021.
28:31
But the top three women's time. This is kind of interesting.
28:35
When I was looking at this in 2020, Britta Clark, who has the
28:39
Pemi loop FKT, she ran a 437. Then later in 2020, I think it
28:44
was like a week later. That would be so brutal.
28:46
You set the number one FKT in the northeast.
28:49
One week later gone. I think that happened to Will
28:52
Peterson on his wasn't that elicit to get Gaddesky broke his
28:57
one of his times the the four case, the four case time
29:02
supported and then built it smashed it shout out.
29:07
Anyway after that, in 2020 Jess Marion came along.
29:11
She ran a 435 shortly after and then in 2021 Lindsay Webster ran
29:16
a 433. So we have the top three times
29:19
within 4 minutes of each other, which I think the only people to
29:23
go sub for on the Prezi for the men's is Jordan and Jack and
29:27
Jack's at 3:31. So there's a little bit more
29:29
spacing there, but the women's is any one of, of those women
29:34
could go back out. I think like this year whenever
29:37
and, and, and get the FKT and there's a lot of people that
29:39
probably could, could send it even lower too.
29:44
So that that's where the, the the full standard route sits
29:48
right now. I don't know when are we going
29:50
to get more action on the Prezi. I'll be honest, I, I have no
29:56
interest in running as fast as I can on the Prezi.
30:00
I don't know if that makes me soft or not a true trail runner,
30:07
but I just think to really be pushing yourself redlining for 3
30:11
1/2 hours on that terrain. And like, I know me, the
30:16
downhills, I really, I think I'm good at the downhill.
30:19
So I'm like, maybe I'm a good downhill runner.
30:21
I should go prove it on a technical course.
30:23
I just don't want to risk it. I, I think, you know, if I'm
30:27
redlining it harder on the climbs, you can fall so easily
30:30
and you're moving really, really fast that I don't know, I'm
30:34
scared. I'm scared.
30:35
Maybe I'm not a true trail runner.
30:37
Killian would be, would be horrified if he's here hearing
30:40
this 331. He won't.
30:42
I don't know. Also, the time is very fast and
30:45
maybe that plays into a factor. I'll run a fast Prezi one day,
30:48
I'll run a fast Prezi one day, but it's definitely just just
30:52
just a gnarly route. So, so, so anyway, so I think,
30:58
you know, Jack's time is really, really fast.
31:00
Lindsay's time is really, really fast.
31:02
Maybe it's like, man, if I'm, if I'm doing training runs out
31:06
there taking falls, I think Jack had talked about how he took a
31:08
couple really nasty falls in training and and I got to go
31:13
really hard and I probably just miss it anyway.
31:16
I just don't want to do it. But I do think, I mean, there's,
31:19
you know, the White Mountains throw down.
31:21
We'll talk about that towards the end.
31:22
There are some fast people out here right now.
31:24
And I eventually it's going to it's going to go down for sure.
31:28
Just who knows how long It could be five years, could be 10
31:30
years, but I think it's going to go down eventually.
31:36
So, so, so I think that's why maybe it hasn't got as much
31:39
accent as some of the other ones like the the Pemi loop.
31:42
There's been a handful of people that have gone for the Pemi.
31:45
Obviously the Whites 100 is getting a lot of hype.
31:49
The Prezi is just super fast. It's super gnarly and super
31:52
tough, super tough. So that's where that sits.
31:56
I want to talk about some of the variations because or no, while
32:00
we're on it, we'll just go through the splits quick.
32:02
OK, so we're just going to go through Jack's splits and then
32:04
we're really we're going to move on.
32:05
I know we've been talking about the Prezi a lot, but the Prezi's
32:07
epic the 1st 2 miles, Jack splits mile 1553 gap, mile 26 OO
32:15
gap and he ran every step on that 331.
32:19
That is insane. I mean, running a 720 gap,
32:23
you're probably losing like 3030 seconds to a minute of like what
32:27
he could have done on just because of the technicality on
32:30
just the downhills. If you're going 12 minute per
32:33
mile downhill, your gaps for sure go not going in the right
32:36
direction, even though that section is super steep, but he
32:39
just comes out absolutely blazing.
32:41
He ran 550, yeah, 55, 637 gap all the way up to the Madison
32:48
summit. So that's the three and a half
32:49
mile, 3900 feet on Dolly Cop, which is really fast.
32:54
We talked about the Mad Mad Hut and then from Mad to Washington,
32:58
he runs a 746 gap, which I think they're 6 miles and 3500 feet of
33:03
climbing, which is a lot. But I do think that's really
33:06
slowed down just because of the technicality.
33:09
His last half mile up to Jefferson, which gets a little
33:11
bit less technical. You're out of kind of the the
33:14
muck of some of the northern Prezis.
33:15
He ran a 649 gap. So I think like his climbs on
33:19
smooth stuff was probably in that high 6 gap after the first
33:23
first climb and then and then Washington to Pierce, 5.3 miles,
33:28
1000 feet of climbing is a 738 gap.
33:31
That's probably just slowing down a little bit kind of
33:33
technical too. And then his Pierce to three O
33:36
2. So coming down from Pierce, it's
33:39
like a little over 3 miles. He ran it at a 634 minute per
33:43
mile pace, which if you know about that trail, Pierce is one
33:48
of the most hiked 4000 footers. So it's Jackson.
33:51
Those trails are just so eroded, so many people on them and him
33:57
running that is is is kind of insane.
34:01
Yeah, that's kind of insane. So that's the effort.
34:04
I thought I'd just break down some of his times 'cause it's
34:06
kind of cool to look at. I'm sure the hardcore trail
34:09
runners has have looked at a lot of Jacks, White Mountains,
34:13
Strava files, 'cause they're, they're pretty cool.
34:21
We'll talk about some of the variations we talked about.
34:23
Winner Ben Thompson has got that 332 the northbound.
34:29
So most people go southbound that you have to do this the
34:32
the, the, the established FKT route southbound.
34:39
But the northbound time Liam, Liam Davis, he has it at 428 in
34:42
2018 and then Lexie Jackson has a 636 in 23.
34:48
So I think both of those times are super fast, but I think
34:51
those could probably come down. They could probably come down,
34:54
but I think for sure it's slower going northbound.
34:58
I don't know if you do more climbing or not, but you
35:00
definitely get more of that technical stuff when you're just
35:02
demolished. But it's cool that and those
35:05
have only had a couple goes and but but it's cool that there's
35:09
sometimes there. So that's another variation.
35:12
We're going to talk about the double traverse.
35:15
So some sickos out there like Yo Yos, they say once No2 please.
35:21
So the supported FKT right now is Larsen Ojala 1039.
35:27
This is one of Larsen's. I think this is one of I don't
35:30
know, can I even say it? Larsen has so many crazy
35:32
efforts. His Monadnock repeat at a 24
35:36
hour is crazy. I think it's 18.
35:39
His obviously New Hampshire AT is is crazy.
35:42
He's done a lot of stuff. One of the only whites 100
35:46
finishers. That's I mean that his whites
35:49
100 actually may be his best effort.
35:52
That was crazy. I think he went a little over 30
35:54
and I think he was running with somebody else on it.
35:56
So it's like you never maximize yourself.
35:58
That was a really good one. But he had a 1039 on that.
36:02
That is super fast. I remember seeing him do that
36:05
thinking like, Dang, that he's moving.
36:07
He's sure footed. We've we've learned that on the
36:10
podcast. He is sure footed and for sure.
36:12
I mean those Monadnock guys have to be.
36:14
So he has a supported and then Josh Burns 1128 unsupported.
36:19
So that's carrying you all your own food you're still getting
36:22
from the water from the Hut. So most of your weights already,
36:26
you know, supplied by the huts and the Prezis.
36:28
That's still good. And then the women's
36:29
unsupported. I don't think there's a
36:31
supported time. Lexi Jackson 1334 So you know,
36:35
that's fast. OK, so that's the double S
36:39
traverse and then we're getting crafty.
36:41
All you bike heads out there or a cross, cross training heads,
36:49
hybrid athletes picnic. The Prezi picnic has had some
36:54
really good times on him. So Keith Naidu, a new New
36:58
England legend, he set it the mark in seven O 7.
37:02
Don't know what year, don't have the year share, but he did it in
37:04
seven O 7. And then Pierre Pennoyer, crazy
37:07
fitness, good on a bike, good uphill, good everywhere, six O
37:12
1. And then Joshua Reed, a New York
37:16
guy, I think he's buddies with Steve Lang when they come out
37:19
here, be on watch. He ran a 545 on the Prezi
37:24
Picnic. So this is a good Prezi picnic
37:26
times. And in the women's, I think
37:28
there might be only one time, but Lexi Jackson goes seven O 1.
37:32
So she beat Keith's time. I don't think she's huge.
37:36
You know, she didn't do as much biking.
37:38
She's I think she's incorporated some in, but you know that
37:41
running is fast and she also crushed on the bike.
37:45
So that's that time is super fast.
37:48
So that that is like the Prezi, the Prezi talk.
37:52
A couple other things. I think about the Prezi one, the
37:56
weather is just really, really important.
37:59
I think a good day can make all the difference.
38:02
Dry for sure. You need dry wind.
38:06
I think if it's super windy, you're it's, you're going to
38:08
feel it. And then if it's a weekday,
38:10
you're going to be passing people, which it slows you down
38:15
for sure. So those are a few of the other
38:17
things that I think about on the Prezi.
38:20
And we talked about the trails changing.
38:21
So I guess we'll, we'll, I'll, I'll get into this a little bit
38:25
more. So we're going to go into the
38:26
next subject here. Trails and races changing over
38:30
time. I remember, and this is a big,
38:34
this has been a Big Jack podcast, but I mean, he really
38:37
took the White Mountains by storm.
38:39
He said like he was a guy who didn't do it.
38:42
He did at some race at the beginning, but then he did a lot
38:45
of FKTS and he thought FKTS stood the test of time longer
38:50
because race courses can change, right?
38:54
And you never know year by year, like a hot year versus a cold
38:58
year, who knows who's been the race, who's not in the race.
39:01
Maybe you can get pushed by somebody.
39:02
But FKCS are more long standing. I, I agree with that 100%.
39:08
But I do think in the White Mountains, it's getting to the
39:11
point where they are longer standing, but I don't think
39:16
they're long standing because you can just these flooding
39:22
events that are happening, the more intense rainstorms in a
39:26
shorter period of time and the the popularity of the trails
39:30
increasing, especially on the four KS, like some of the prime
39:33
routes. The AT, obviously the AT is
39:35
always getting more popular. The erosion is getting bad.
39:39
It's getting really bad. They're talking about shutting
39:42
down some of the big trails up there.
39:45
I know that for a fact. So they're getting worse.
39:49
It's almost like if you need to get a big FKT in the White
39:52
Mountains, you got to go soon. You know, I don't know if that
39:55
really holds true, but I would, I would not advise waiting five
39:59
years, you know, and I think maybe that's kind of, it's kind
40:02
of what you, I don't know, I don't think you planned it like
40:04
this. But you know, he just has
40:07
everything. So he Jack came and hit a lot of
40:09
them. But the trails are getting more
40:11
technical over time I think. Trail work has been really,
40:17
really good. Like, you know, there's a ton of
40:19
people doing trail work trying to maintain the trails.
40:22
So that's awesome. But when you get these crazy
40:24
intense storms, a ton of water just surging down, some of them
40:28
go. So if if like the Pemi loop this
40:32
year, getting that Lincoln Woods trail shut down, it's going to
40:36
be shut down for a year and then it's going to reopen.
40:38
But let's say the Pemi Lincoln Woods is no longer you can't use
40:43
it. What happens at the time?
40:45
I guess they're just set in stone because there's not going
40:48
to be or they cut a, you know, another trail and that's just
40:51
going to be way smoother. So I think a lot of things are
40:55
changing and one of the ones old bridle path, they did a
41:00
fantastic job on like 1/2 mile on that on that path and it's
41:05
going to be so smooth compared to what it was right before that
41:08
trail work. So if you're running like a
41:11
Frank Ridge time trial in summer, I think you're gaining
41:15
from that so that it's actually they can get better.
41:18
But I think the problem is it takes so much effort for a lot
41:22
of these trails that you can do small sections.
41:24
Like think about it, the Frank Loop is one of the most popular
41:28
trail heads and hikes. And it took years and they just
41:32
did a half mile and they made it really nice.
41:34
But you can't do the whole mountain, you know.
41:36
So some of these trails, the Garfield Ridge Trail, right?
41:39
They're, I don't know, maybe one day, but it doesn't seem
41:43
plausible to really do a ton of work on those trails.
41:47
So they're just going to keep getting rockier, rockier,
41:49
rockier, I think. And I mean, honestly, once you
41:53
get up into the Prezis, the Prezis are the Prezis going up.
41:57
I just pit everyone didn't even see that I shouldn't, I
41:59
shouldn't even say said anything.
42:00
It almost landed on my lens. I look at my iPhone lens and
42:04
there's three things and I'm like, I actually don't know
42:06
which one I should be looking at or which one is useful.
42:08
But sometimes there's a dust on one.
42:10
But I'm like, should I wipe it off?
42:11
Probably should, yeah. So, so like some of these shows
42:17
you're not going to get to. But then, you know, once you get
42:20
up to Madison and the Prezis, the Prezis are exposed.
42:23
So anything exposed is that's pretty much what it's going to
42:26
be for the next. You know, if it's just rock,
42:27
it's just rock. So those were kind of some
42:31
things to think about. You know, race is kind of
42:33
changing races. I I see it too.
42:36
Like I always hate when a, when a race, I don't know, it stinks
42:39
like a hellbender in Asheville, NC had a major race change after
42:44
the storm that I'm sure they couldn't really control as much,
42:47
you know, and that kind of alters the time made it, made it
42:51
faster, made it easier. The Jigger Johnson 100, the
42:54
Kerrigan Rd. getting shut down made that course easier, faster.
42:58
And I, I just feel like you're seeing more of the, the intense.
43:01
I mean, I, I am an environmental engineer.
43:06
The data is showing that there are more intense storms
43:09
happening over shorter periods of time.
43:11
And so you just have these storm surges that that do way more
43:14
damage than spaced out rain would do.
43:17
So I think it's going to keep getting worse and hopefully we
43:20
don't have anything crazy like Asheville, but who knows, who
43:24
knows? I feel like New England's fairly
43:26
safe, but I don't know who knows.
43:28
So, so anyway, that's, that's kind of the, the Prezi
43:32
breakdown. Hopefully you guys liked it.
43:33
If you liked it, I'll do some of the other ones.
43:35
I want to do the Hutch reverse. I, I kind of did the Pemi loop
43:38
once before. I want to do White Mountains
43:41
100. We could just do all the, all
43:43
the big routes and maybe over time, you know, maybe doing a
43:48
little more research, maybe pulling some quotes, maybe
43:51
getting some more people that have been on these routes for
43:54
longer to, to chime in. We can we can really make these
43:57
segments good. I got a moose story on Tecumseh.
44:02
We'll do that. Tecumseh.
44:04
I did a double on Tecumseh today.
44:06
The trail was awesome. No snow.
44:08
It's a little blow that you know, there was some trail
44:10
scraps. You know, most of the blow downs
44:13
were kind of trimmed up. I just feel like the trails this
44:15
time of year sometimes, like there's some, you know, limbs
44:17
and stuff still down but great conditions.
44:22
Love running on rock. Huge, huge fan.
44:25
But something happened on the Tecumseh today that which I have
44:30
never seen before. So in between the kind of that
44:34
little dip before you get to the summit from the backside, there
44:38
was like a A506070 foot stretch of moose poop, more moose poop
44:48
than I've ever seen in my entire entire life on any trail
44:54
anywhere. It was all confined to 50 feet.
45:00
OK, so more volume of moose poop just in 50 feet.
45:04
I have a video. I might even post it on my
45:05
Instagram. I don't know what was going on.
45:09
I think a moose must have got hurt.
45:12
That's the only thing that I can think of.
45:14
A moose must have got hurt and couldn't move and was just there
45:17
for days. I don't know.
45:19
Did anyone see this moose? How did I not see this moose?
45:21
It was shocking the amount of moose poop.
45:24
And they were all smaller pellets.
45:26
So it seemed to me like it was a calf moose, you know, like a
45:32
like an adolescent juvenile moose that it's like got lost.
45:40
But no, if it got lost, it wouldn't just stay in one spot.
45:42
You know, that's like that'd be like they'd have to be trained
45:45
in search and rescue to not get off the trail.
45:48
It was shocking to me. I don't know what happened.
45:50
If anyone saw it, knows about it.
45:53
Maybe I missed like a big, you know, moose story this winter.
45:56
I don't know, but it is we literally blowing my mind.
45:59
So that was kind of like a a weird thing today.
46:02
But the trails Memorial Day weekend, they're popping right
46:05
now. They're popping and trail
46:06
season's here. OK, we're going to go into my
46:11
top three shows. We're going to go into my top
46:15
three shows and then we're going to finish with the race results,
46:18
race previews and my pinky story, my toast story.
46:22
I I like watching TVI don't know.
46:26
I go through, you know, I like everyone.
46:28
You go through spurts of binging and you're like, ah, no, I'm
46:32
binging too much. I shouldn't watch.
46:33
But I've recently been on a Seinfeld kick, watching Seinfeld
46:38
through, I mean, loosely watching it through just putting
46:41
it on. You know, there's not, you know,
46:43
you can kind of watch wherever. But after watching it every
46:49
every couple episodes, I am watching this show just being
46:53
like this, this is, this is it's so good.
46:58
It is so good. It's every episode has something
47:02
you can relate to. There are so many clean jokes
47:07
and storylines that come together.
47:09
You got good punch lines, you got good characters, just such a
47:13
good show. So we're going to rank the shows
47:15
and I guess I'll just spoil it. Seinfeld is number 1.
47:18
I think that is my favorite show of all time.
47:22
It is so good. Kramer's my favorite character.
47:25
Kramer is my favorite character. Kramer is my favorite character.
47:30
Do I want to do some Kramer right now?
47:32
No, I don't know. I don't know if I could do it.
47:34
I woke up in the Hudson River. No, I can't do a Kramer right
47:37
now, but Kramer is hilarious. I wish that I lived next to a
47:40
Kramer so bad. I actually have a friend.
47:43
I always tell him I have a friend that is so similar to
47:47
Kramer and and more in just the ways of like he's always
47:52
scheming something up. He's always got a new scheme,
47:54
like, hey, Woj, I tell you about I've been doing this recently,
47:58
right? And he tells you you're like, Oh
48:00
my God, what are you doing? He's kind of got a little bit of
48:04
the kind of the look or maybe the mannerisms.
48:06
He's well connected. Like he knows everybody's got a
48:09
guy for everybody and he just says funny, kind of unhinged
48:13
stuff. Kramer's my favorite character.
48:16
By far. My next favorite character is
48:19
Jerry. I I mean, obviously he's a main
48:22
character. I think Jerry is just a good
48:25
character. Obviously he's a comedian, so
48:27
he's not like the level up acting, but I think he's a good
48:30
actor. He's got good clean stuff.
48:32
I like his. I always say this to Jocelyn.
48:35
I like his style. He's always got a good style.
48:37
He's got the kind of the tighter jeans with the nice shirt.
48:40
I always say like, I wish I could look like Jerry, but I
48:42
just look like Kramer when I I'm a little bit just taller and
48:45
blocked like I don't know, my I don't know.
48:48
I'm like, I wish, you know, Jerry's got some swag.
48:52
He's really funny. And then probably Next up, I
48:55
don't know. I love doing the Newman laugh.
48:57
I hate Newman. Like Newton is such a good
49:00
character. He's such a good character, but
49:04
I, I, I love doing the Newman laugh and Jocelyn hates it.
49:08
No, I can't do it. I can't do it.
49:11
I can't do it. He's super funny, but he's not
49:14
one of my favorite characters. I, I, I'm on team Jerry.
49:17
Obviously, my third favorite character would probably be I
49:23
don't know. I don't know.
49:28
I guess it would be Elaine. I don't know.
49:33
She's good. She, you know, she's great.
49:35
She's great. Some of her are really good.
49:37
I don't like this thing. Here's one of you're bold.
49:44
Those are two ones. You don't see the irony here,
49:47
George? She's bold.
49:49
I'm doing this scene in reverse. She's bold.
49:52
Bald, bald, bald, bold. Shout out, Jocelyn.
49:56
You can rock bald. You're complaining about a woman
50:01
being bald. So you're bald.
50:07
I don't like this thing. It was when he she, he was
50:10
wearing the wig. So she can be pretty good.
50:12
She's a really good actor, George.
50:15
Also, I don't like him as much. I think he's kind of annoying,
50:18
but he doesn't make me laugh sometimes.
50:20
He is such a good actor. Such a good actor.
50:24
Yeah, he's really, really good. I would, you know, they're all
50:27
up there, right? All the main characters are just
50:29
so good. This is why the show was iconic.
50:31
So that is my number one favorite TV show of all time.
50:35
We didn't do it in reverse. We just gave it to you #2 The
50:38
Office. Oh my gosh, I haven't watched
50:41
The Office in a while. The Office is so good, so funny,
50:46
and these are more like, I don't know, I'm kind of like thinking
50:48
like I guess these are funnier shows.
50:49
So I have a non funny show in here.
50:51
It's hard to do just top shows ever and I haven't seen every
50:54
show but the office so again, just so, so funny.
50:59
It's so relatable to, I always say like, I wish that I live.
51:04
I had a, you know, friends and I had a life that was like had the
51:07
same things going on as like the officer.
51:10
I wish I had Jim's job. I wish I had Jerry's life.
51:13
Right. Like you just kind of wish you
51:14
had these characters and these funny things going all the time
51:17
and you just took nothing, you know, serious.
51:18
You could just always be at the coffee shop.
51:22
But yeah, The Office is number 2.
51:24
So like one of the, it's, I think it's for sure funnier than
51:27
Seinfeld, but I think Seinfeld is a better, I, I would say it's
51:31
a better show. And that's who knows #3 This was
51:36
kind of like, I don't know. I did a little bit of
51:38
researching to make sure I didn't miss anything big #3 I
51:41
don't know if I got influences 'cause I haven't seen it in a
51:44
while and I think I wanted a different genre #3 I'm going to
51:47
go Breaking Bad. I remember when I got into
51:50
Breaking Bad, it was just every, I just watched it all the time.
51:53
It was really good. Obviously less of a comedy, some
51:57
comedy in there a little bit, but just an awesome show.
52:01
I don't know, just an awesome show.
52:03
Walter White is iconic. Lots of I, I think that shows
52:07
like all the seasons were so good.
52:11
It was just a great show. So that's my number one, number
52:15
one, two and three. Seinfeld, Office and Breaking
52:17
Bad, 3 honorable mentions. I feel like I should only say 2
52:22
of them. I really feel like I should only
52:24
say two of them strongly. But we are at the end of the
52:28
episode so it's only hardcore listeners.
52:32
We're going to go New Girl. New Girl makes me laugh.
52:36
Schmidt makes me die laughing. If I could.
52:39
OK, here's the graph. Here's my graph of the the three
52:42
boy characters. I think they're the funniest in
52:45
New Girl. I think it is if if it Oh,
52:51
you're going to see it the other way.
52:51
OK, this is actually a good move.
52:53
I think initially, and I guess we'll we'll we'll have to do
52:57
point a point graph and then you're going to have to make the
52:59
lines here. People at the bottom hated
53:02
Schmidt the first couple episodes.
53:04
Who is this guy? Kind of like just an ass D baggy
53:07
kind of you don't like Schmidt, don't like Schmidt.
53:11
Nick is funny. You kind of like don't know his
53:13
vibe, kind of a funny And then Winston.
53:15
No, this was like coach was in there for the first couple, but
53:17
then Winston, we'll just put Winston.
53:20
It was like Schmidt, Winston and then Nick.
53:25
Nick's kind of funny, pretty good, you know, OK.
53:28
And then after that first season, Schmidt just has an
53:31
ascent where he is my favorite. Just saying so, so funny, saying
53:37
just hilarious things being outrageous.
53:40
He goes up. Nick also climbing, not as
53:42
sharp, also climbing more of like a steady, kind of like a
53:46
blue chip stock as opposed to a, a parabolic move.
53:49
And then Winston just down low kind of in the muck.
53:53
I don't know, just in the muck. Then you get into kind of like
53:56
season 3 and 4 and you get a little too much Schmidt.
54:00
Schmidt starts coming down when he's trying to break up Jess and
54:02
Nick. So I don't know when he gets ACC
54:04
just like he's not hitting as hard for me, he's kind of going
54:06
down. Nick is solid, solid paying
54:09
dividends. Still blue chip stock.
54:11
Winston is slowly rising. He's getting the biggest laughs,
54:15
the biggest laughs out of me as it goes on.
54:18
Like initially his pranks being kind of crazy is like this is
54:21
kind of stupid. But at the end, his pranks are
54:24
just hilarious and and everything he just gets funnier,
54:27
funnier. Like I think they all kind of
54:28
found their character, but so, so yeah.
54:33
So in the middle, I think it's Winston, Nick and Schmidt, and
54:39
then it's Winston, Nick, Schmidt and Nick and doing the points
54:44
for you guys. And then it is I can't is it
54:48
Schmidt bottom at the at the end of the no, I don't know.
54:51
It's like they all tied. It's like they all tied you like
54:54
them all. They all make me crack up.
54:55
Sometimes they're annoying, sometimes they're not.
54:57
But that's an honorable mention. New Girl.
55:01
I'm going to I'm just going to I'm going to say it.
55:03
Honestly, this one I'm not even embarrassed about.
55:05
There's just one that I'm slightly embarrassed about.
55:07
But and now it's like, Ed, you got to tell us.
55:08
I'll tell you guys if you stick around SpongeBob showing my age,
55:14
showing my age here. I'm 28.
55:17
I'm not really young though. I'm not really like super young.
55:21
But SpongeBob was just an all time show.
55:24
I feel like I, I, I more see clips from it, like I haven't
55:29
watched a good SpongeBob episode.
55:30
I feel like I tried to and then I was like, yeah, it doesn't hit
55:32
as much obviously as your kid. Kid is funny, but like the old,
55:37
the first few seasons of SpongeBob, like the old school
55:40
SpongeBob episodes, they're kind of like that Seinfeld, like
55:44
they're just so good. They're so funny.
55:47
And I've seen some clips pop up on my Instagram.
55:49
Maybe I'm just getting like fed good SpongeBob clips, but that's
55:52
in there. And then the last one not
55:55
honestly, I'm thinking about it now like Spongebob's iconic.
55:59
A whole generation of people may say it's one of the best
56:02
cartoons. I was never a big Simpsons
56:05
person. Like I know that one's really
56:07
big big, but I was never big on Simpsons.
56:10
So we'll we'll go with SpongeBob.
56:11
The other one I have, which honestly, I'm going to cross
56:13
off. I just visually cross it off.
56:15
So it's not on my list, guys, but I initially was thinking
56:18
Avatar the Last Airbender in a different realm of what is that
56:24
anime is that I think it is anime.
56:27
I don't really know what anime is, but it could be.
56:30
I think that show's good. OK, we're getting to the end
56:33
here. We're wrapping up.
56:37
I like to just slowly, let's just see if we're still going
56:41
here. Oh, man, this is in oh, that's
56:46
my arm. Yeah, that's my arm.
56:47
That's my arm. It's like, this is insane.
56:49
Don't do anything crazy. I'm in my short shorts.
56:51
I mean, some of these I just are doing after runs.
56:54
So I'm just wearing what I'm wearing and I look how I look.
56:57
Some, some people like, I feel like when they, they know
57:00
they're going to be on a video podcast will maybe like be like
57:03
I, I some of these I just do after a run in my truck all
57:06
dirty. I got dirt everywhere, whatever.
57:11
We had a big mix up last week, a horrible tragedy, a horrible mix
57:15
up. I somehow read the 2021 wah
57:18
packing back results for the 21 Miller.
57:21
No, the 2025 results for the 21 Miller.
57:25
I messed it all up. Horrible.
57:29
The wah packing back results go here.
57:32
This is like, I don't know how to make it up to these people.
57:34
I don't know, don't say anything crazy.
57:39
Andrew #1 Travis Mahonin goes back three O 123.
57:43
I believe it was like 7 seconds from the course record.
57:48
He is just a savage. Every year the Mahuen brothers
57:53
just go and just destroy that trail.
57:55
He came in first. I think I had him first last
57:58
week, but would give him the better time.
58:00
Second pace Steeg, Steeg Bertram 332 and then third place Phil
58:06
Karsha 349. So it's a stacked podium.
58:10
Stacked. Travis Steve Travis is like just
58:13
an absolute slugger. Steeg is a slugger, young gun.
58:16
He's going to be so freaking fast.
58:18
And then Phil Karsha is like everyone knows him.
58:20
He's just does tons of projects. So big names in that walk back
58:24
and back, 123 and then a woman's side, Laura Matheson, four O 7,
58:29
she wins it. Lorena Duquencic messed it up,
58:33
439. And then Elisha Hogson, 458,
58:38
third place. So that's a walk back and back
58:40
2021 results. I can't believe it sometimes.
58:44
Like I, I, you know, I've put a wrong picture in the race
58:47
previews. I've said wrong results before.
58:51
It it is a stress on me. I think I, I just, my brain
58:57
sometimes makes big mistakes, guys.
58:59
That's all I can say. It just makes mistakes,
59:01
especially when I'm like going through and grabbing a bunch of
59:03
things. It goes so fast.
59:04
But I don't know so any who it is what it is.
59:10
I I talked a little bit about this last week.
59:12
The last week's race results section section segment wasn't
59:15
good. A couple of people texted me and
59:17
were like, I was laughing at you just being all over the place,
59:20
but also suggested help or suggested ways to improve it.
59:24
And so I think that speaks to itself.
59:27
I was frazzled. I'm getting a better system.
59:30
It's not fully when I have a printed sheet that is when my
59:33
system is I have a printer now I need ink.
59:37
So we're working on it. But I think maybe I took a
59:41
little bit to heart like the Northeast trail scene.
59:44
I had this big spreadsheet of all the races because I want to
59:46
start covering all the races. I actually like the learning
59:49
about all the races, but I as far as like good podcasting and
59:53
I don't think some of these races even want me talking about
59:56
them. They're like, hey man, we do our
59:57
own kind of small thing. I don't know.
59:59
Run mountain peak, do your thing again, this is.
1:00:03
I want to focus on the North East trail scene, the mountain
1:00:07
stuff. So it's like if I miss some flat
1:00:09
races, like, I don't know. So that being said, I'm not
1:00:13
going to promise. I think maybe I just kind of put
1:00:16
myself in a box where I didn't need to put myself.
1:00:18
I'm not going to promise to highlight every race and every
1:00:23
FKT, you know, in New England moving forward.
1:00:28
I'm going to still look at all the races, kind of get some
1:00:30
info, but I'm just going to bring you some of maybe the
1:00:32
biggest ones, definitely all the big mountain ones for sure.
1:00:36
And and that's that. Maybe I still do those Instagram
1:00:39
previews like the races, if people like that, but we won't
1:00:43
talk about them. And me being like, oh, no one
1:00:47
covers the Northeast trail scene.
1:00:48
People do Mass ultra.com has almost every ultra marathon race
1:00:54
results posted. It's not a podcast format, so
1:00:58
it's not like, but but it's something you can go and read.
1:01:01
So I'm I'm go to massultra.com. They probably hear me talking
1:01:06
about they're like, I've been doing this thing for a long
1:01:08
time. You're a new who you think you
1:01:10
are. I am.
1:01:13
Who do you think you are? Am they post all the results?
1:01:17
So I'm going to talk about the things I want to talk about.
1:01:19
Still highlight as much people, but keep it a little bit
1:01:22
tightened up a little bit. That being said, a few races I
1:01:27
want to highlight race results this week.
1:01:30
The Free Spirit 50K, Kayla Lamp wins it by a mile.
1:01:35
She ran a 338 second place. She will overall talk about
1:01:39
females overall winning. She runs A3387-O2 pace for the
1:01:43
50K. She crushed that.
1:01:46
And then Jacob Valcap, he ran A418820 pace 40 minutes behind
1:01:52
her. He wins for the men and won.
1:01:54
But Kayla, holy smokes, she killed that race.
1:01:58
And then another race I want to talk about was the run.
1:02:02
This was the CT trail mixers run ragged.
1:02:05
Last man standing. Last man standing races have
1:02:08
gotten some buzz with two things to talk about.
1:02:12
The first thing is new course record 121 miles, but it's a
1:02:16
tie. Korin Kwasnik and Matt
1:02:20
Twitchell, they both tied at 121 hours.
1:02:23
They set a new course record. First off, Korin Kwasnik, I just
1:02:28
want to say he ran mid state super, super fast.
1:02:31
He's we we talked about he has the pemedential overall FKT on
1:02:34
that unsupported stud. He won the mid state massive.
1:02:39
Like I don't know if he has the course record.
1:02:41
He he did he do Vermont 100. He he super fast and he's very,
1:02:46
he's done some some mountain stuff and some flats, some big
1:02:49
races. I would have assumed Korn
1:02:52
Kwosnick was maybe a maybe a high school or a high school
1:02:57
college track guy or cross country guy, super fast, right.
1:03:02
And he's just, you know, maybe more of a flat guy And I, I
1:03:06
don't know, maybe this is not, I mean this in the the, the best
1:03:09
way. I would assume that he's kind of
1:03:11
a lifelong runner almost because he just puts down crazy times.
1:03:15
The dude is not your typical running profile.
1:03:20
He is jacked guys. He is a massive.
1:03:25
I was like, holy crap, this guy is this fast and I lifted for a
1:03:31
long time. That's like the utmost.
1:03:33
I wish I was just jacked and could be super fast.
1:03:36
He's jacked. So I thought that was a good, a
1:03:40
good little thing. So I'm just trying to highlight
1:03:42
that. And then yeah, they tied for the
1:03:44
last man standing, which I would assume that like a Corin his
1:03:51
type like this Jack, like almost like probably just mentally so
1:03:55
strong, can't be broken, can't be beaten kind of guys.
1:04:02
I was surprised that they would tie.
1:04:04
And I thought that it would be like maybe they both got hurt on
1:04:07
one lap or whatever. But I think the course said like
1:04:09
they were just didn't want to go up for another rat lap.
1:04:12
And so, hey, that's actually kind of like a is that a, is
1:04:16
that a a game in the system? You just both win.
1:04:19
Hey, we don't have to do another lap.
1:04:21
We don't have to have a suffer lap.
1:04:22
If I don't know what do I like more, though?
1:04:24
I can't believe one of them didn't step up and just go do
1:04:27
another lap. But it's almost like in my head
1:04:29
actually, it's kind of like, would it have been mean?
1:04:32
Because now they both won, they both have the course record.
1:04:35
Is it mean of one of them to be like, I don't want to go out And
1:04:38
then the other guy says I don't want to go out.
1:04:39
And then he's like, all right, well, I'll do one if you're
1:04:41
done. Like his head almost mean.
1:04:43
I don't know. But anyway, I wanted to
1:04:47
highlight that race. I thought that was good.
1:04:50
And then we'll end it with a motivation minute today.
1:04:54
This is going to be tied into my toe story.
1:04:57
I, I, I had AAAI, had a big toe. I'm having a big toe, big toe
1:05:04
flared up out of nowhere, insane pain.
1:05:08
Anytime I'm flexing it, walking insane pain.
1:05:12
I'm walking around like at work for three days just limping
1:05:16
because it hurts so bad. And I'm thinking, I don't even
1:05:17
know. I kind of know what happened,
1:05:20
but there was no injury. It just hours after the fact,
1:05:23
two different separate occasions, it just starts
1:05:26
screaming at me. So a little bit of a panic.
1:05:30
I mean I had APT. So I have APT that I go to.
1:05:36
He's been helping me out with the ankle.
1:05:38
I got in to see him for for the big toe.
1:05:41
So I had APT that kind of like knew that knows me that can work
1:05:45
with me. Went and saw him and we we went
1:05:49
through it all and we got to kind of figured out, you know, I
1:05:52
just need to really deflare it and it's just like don't bend
1:05:56
it. So he was like, you know, if
1:05:58
walking it cause 'cause some of the up hit like I was doing
1:06:02
Stairmaster to try to work through it and it was kind of
1:06:03
fine. It would, you know, warm up and
1:06:06
be fine. Andrew, there's no motivation in
1:06:09
this. It's coming.
1:06:12
It would kind of be fine. And then when I'm walking later,
1:06:17
it'd be, it would be like so painful.
1:06:19
She was like, all right, The the big toe is really hard because
1:06:22
you use it and everything. That's the problem with these
1:06:25
big toes. Like when you hear a turf toe,
1:06:27
it's not turf toe, which is good.
1:06:30
I I don't really know what turf toe is.
1:06:32
So maybe I think it's not turf toe.
1:06:35
It's going to be fine. But The thing is you're, you're
1:06:37
just, I'm just aggravating it every time that I step.
1:06:40
So just doing some a little bit of mobility to kind of take off
1:06:44
pressure on that, the big toe itself.
1:06:47
And then he was like, you know, you're probably better off
1:06:50
wearing shoes than walking barefoot, like around your
1:06:52
house. And if you have like a curved
1:06:54
rocker super shoes, wear those. I'm so I'm like, I'm just going
1:06:59
to be going to work in super shoes.
1:07:01
Can I even do this? I'm like, I don't want to put
1:07:03
miles on these shoes. Like I need these shoes for so
1:07:09
so I'm just going to be walking around around super shoes.
1:07:11
The toe should be OK, but but the the moral of the story is if
1:07:16
you have something, go to a professional because I was
1:07:18
literally like this is I don't know what I did, but I just
1:07:20
screwed my entire June racing up.
1:07:23
You're done, you're done. This is horrible.
1:07:25
I I can't believe this, but I didn't go see a professional.
1:07:28
They know what they're doing. When I had my ankle, he helped
1:07:30
me out. And yeah, I would just say if
1:07:35
you're having issues, one thing that I actually like to to think
1:07:38
about, I had this big cut on my hand because I took a fall, you
1:07:43
know, maybe a month ago, and I had these really big cuts in my
1:07:46
hand and they healed up. So if you can see that when I
1:07:50
see wounds heal up, I think to myself, my body can, my body can
1:07:56
heal itself. If you have an injury that's
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like not going away, just cut your no, don't cut yourself, cut
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yourself and then see the power that no, you're OK.
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Your body is healing itself. It's just going to take time.
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You got to figure it out. Go get some some professional
1:08:11
help and for APT for especially something nagging for a long
1:08:14
time or something you know, really that's popped up that you
1:08:17
have no clue. Go get help.
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But the motivation is the more I got to struggle is the more I
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gain. This is J.
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Cole quote. I might have done this
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motivation minute before. I don't care.
1:08:28
I'm bringing it back. It is just a quote that
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everything hard in my life for every set back that I've been
1:08:35
having in the last year, I've had a year or two, maybe I've
1:08:38
had like a lot of them. I just that is the one thing
1:08:43
that I think about where I don't know how this is helping me.
1:08:46
Like I, I thought, you know, I've learned so many lessons.
1:08:50
How can I still be learning lesson, new lessons?
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This is annoying. Let me just, you know, do what I
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meant to do. But I think it's true.
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I think the more you struggle, in the end you are going to gain
1:09:07
from it. And I don't.
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It's like, yeah, you gain lessons, you gain knowledge, you
1:09:10
gain resilience. But I think it's even more than
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that. There's something to overcoming
1:09:18
obstacles over and over and over that I think it just, it just
1:09:24
makes for a hire. It's like you're, it almost is
1:09:27
like you're building your base. They always say like base
1:09:29
building for running and then base building for a, for like a,
1:09:33
you know, if you're building a house or whatever, it's like
1:09:35
you, you want to build a big base, you want to stack these
1:09:38
bricks, build this base. It's almost like everything in
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life, every set back is a, is a chance to build your base bigger
1:09:47
and go higher. I don't know, you know, it's
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like Andrew, you've never broken your femur.
1:09:52
You've never, you know, I guess I haven't, but you know, I
1:09:56
haven't. I don't know.
1:09:57
But it just, if it doesn't kill you, if it doesn't severely
1:10:02
dismantle you, I think it's going to make you stronger, even
1:10:07
if it's at the worst time, even if it's the most annoying thing,
1:10:09
even if you've already learned a lot of lessons, even if you
1:10:12
don't know why you can't just have, you know, something go
1:10:16
smoothly, it's going to help you.
1:10:18
And so that's what I'm kind of leaning into.
1:10:20
And hopefully the toe's good and I'm all good.
1:10:22
And this is just going to make me stronger.
1:10:24
So if you're struggling, good. Sometimes I sometimes I there
1:10:29
was one run that I I was like raining and I was alone, but I
1:10:34
was on a training run and it was just like raining out of
1:10:37
nowhere. I was having a bad day and you
1:10:38
know that the Jocko Willink like good.
1:10:41
You know you broke your ankle. Good get better.
1:10:45
You didn't get the raise. Good.
1:10:48
Do more. Oh, your wife left.
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Yeah. I don't know why they good get
1:10:54
in a get a better. I don't know.
1:10:55
This is I need to now I'm going to keep that in.
1:10:57
I don't know why that, but he just said any bad situation
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good, it's going to make you more resilient.
1:11:04
I did a little bit of a trail running twist where it started
1:11:07
running and I just was saying good, good.
1:11:11
I was just saying in a goofy voice raining good.
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You're not hitting your split good harder than you thought
1:11:19
good. Heart rate higher than you want
1:11:20
it to be good. So good.
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Hopefully you're struggling out there because I want you to
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reach insane peaks, but that's it for this week.
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All right, this was a this was a throwback episode.
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Hope you guys liked it. If if this episode bombs, it's
1:11:37
like Andrew, you need to do you need to do real topics, but I
1:11:41
don't like to all the time. So there you go.
1:11:44
But all right, trail season's here.
1:11:45
Hope you guys had a good a long weekend and you got on some
1:11:49
trails because running on rocks. It's like if I don't go there
1:11:53
for a few weeks, I just I can't explain it and I'm not really a
1:11:56
person that gets super. I it's I'm not like a very I
1:12:04
don't know, like I wouldn't say like I need it for my soul.
1:12:07
That wouldn't be something that I would say.
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But I just get this itch after a couple weeks of not being up
1:12:14
high in the mountains where it's like I need I need to go back.
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So I went back. Hopefully you guys are back.
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We'll see you next week. Peace.