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E211: Harvard-Trained Doctor Invents Cure for Blindness...And Finds God w/Dr Ming Wang | Lila Rose Show · The Lila Rose Show

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  I was going to be sent away to labour camp for life.
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  You escaped this barely. Tell me about your escape.
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  But I'm about to tell you, you will not believe it.
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  I arrive in America at age 21 with $50, could hardly speak
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  English. Then you end up getting a dual
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  degree from MIT and Harvard. How did that happen?
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  More I study about science, more complicated I realize the eye
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  is. Millions have had eyesight
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  restored because of your discovery.
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  Yeah, one day, her stepmother pours sulfuric acid in both of
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  her eyes. We got the technology and we
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  pray before the surgery. Surgery failed, completely
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  failed. Why didn't God answer my prayer?
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  Hello everyone, and welcome back to the Lila Rose Show.
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  Today I'm sitting down with Doctor Ming Wang, who has the
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  most incredibly fascinating personal story and has done
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  incredible work in changing the lives of millions of people who
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  struggle with blindness. Dr. Wang is a Harvard Medical
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  trained Doctor Who is also a laser physicist who has invented
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  technology that has now led to a $5 billion industry in a
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  specialized kind of contact lens that can actually heal the eye.
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  He also tells his incredible story of going from atheism to
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  Christianity and how his work inventing new healing mechanisms
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  for the eye led him to his faith.
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  We also discussed the Cultural Revolution in China, from where
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  he came, his struggle to find an education, his family
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  background, and how he came as an immigrant to the United
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  States speaking no English, only Chinese, and ends up graduating
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  from Harvard Medical School. I hope you enjoyed this episode.
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  I know I found it incredibly inspiring.
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  I think learning about the stories of other people who have
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  overcome incredible difficulties and done very beautiful things
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  with their lives is only edifying for us.
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  Also after this episode, we're going to have a special bonus
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  segment with Doctor Wang. We're going to do our new wheel,
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  so you can go check that out over at
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  rosereport.supercast.com. I hope you enjoy this episode.
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  Doctor Ming Wang, thank you so much for joining the podcast.
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  It is such an honor to have you here on so many levels.
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  So I'm very excited for this interview today.
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  You've got just the most incredible story.
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  Your professional story is incredible.
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  You are this esteemed eye Doctor Who has invented technology to
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  help millions of people. Your origin story coming from
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  China, surviving the Cultural Revolution, your immigrant story
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  is amazing. And then your conversion story
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  is incredible. Atheist to Christian, because of
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  your science, because of your work as a scientist.
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  So there's a lot to talk about here.
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  I was thinking, why do we start with such a, such a man as you?
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  And, and also we have to say, of course, an author of 100 papers
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  as well as books. This is one of your books here.
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  From Darkness to Sight. And there's been 2 movies, God
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  not God's not Dead. Some people might have heard of
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  that one. And then the new movie last
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  year, Sight, which is about your life.
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  So how do you get done so much? First of all, I have to ask,
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  this is another book about that, right?
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  I learned by combining the wisdom from East and West, we
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  can extract the best our human mind has to offer.
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  And many of those things has to do with those efficiency and
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  even doing things because we're large emotional beings.
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  Human being, you know, when 90% emotional, only 10% logical.
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  So very often people say, me, why did you do that?
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  I did do that, so as to why I have no idea.
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  My emotional self did it. So I recognize that if we can
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  overcome that, recognize what emotional beings which is
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  irrational and inefficient by intentional purpose for applying
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  more logical thinking, being, doing things more reasonably, we
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  can dramatically improve our efficiency by as much as 1000%
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  or 10 times. There's what, 90% emotional if
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  you convert that. So they came from East and West.
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  My upbringing E here now living here in the West, I put these 77
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  pearls. I learned how to accomplish
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  double in half the time into a little booklet that you have
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  there. So 77 pearls, if you learn these
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  one can have potentially increase the efficiency of what
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  you do. Everyone in the studio today is
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  excited about this book because it says twice the work in half
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  the time and 77 pearls like you said.
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  So I mean, for somebody to have accomplished what you have
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  coming from growing up in China, coming to the United States with
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  virtually no English yet, and then becoming a Harvard educated
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  medical doctor, MIT scientist, and then you had a PhD in laser
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  physics. I mean, how did you do it?
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  You know how to accomplish all this.
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  It's it's exciting that you also put that in this book.
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  So I want to start at the beginning, Doctor Wang, with
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  your childhood. Tell me about your childhood
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  growing up in China in the 1960s.
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  Yeah, it was very unusual period of time from 1966 to 76.
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  The government in China decided on to best way to keep people
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  ignorant is to destroy the educational process of its young
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  people. It's almost hard to imagine, you
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  know, to understand that from, you know, living here in the
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  West. But that did happen.
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  So from 1966 to 76, for 10 years, they shut down all
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  universities and colleges of entire China and forcefully
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  deported to some of the poorest part of the country, every
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  single High School graduate to a lifetime of poverty and hard
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  labor. How many people were deported?
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  20 million was sent away for life 20.
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  Million young people in China starting in 1966.
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  To 76. Were sent to poor parts of the
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  area by force because they had education.
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  Yeah. And people don't want them to
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  continue, get more education in colleges.
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  Yeah. So it it was a, you know,
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  sometimes we don't, you know, students study in America today,
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  say, oh, I don't want to go to school.
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  You know, I want to. I don't want to work hard on my
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  homework. The point of the movie site is
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  help us all gain some perspective that people in many
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  parts of the world today, the students don't have the
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  opportunity to study to gain the knowledge, so we need to
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  appreciate what we have. Why did the Chinese government
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  choose to shut down all the universities and colleges in
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  China in the 60s and deport the students to do manual labor in
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  poorer parts of the country? Great question.
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  It would not make any sense to any leader of any country to see
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  it's young generations education get destroyed.
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  It will not make any sense to any leaders of any nation.
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  But they did it because to a dictatorship people with
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  knowledge and education is a threat.
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  So they want to maintain the power, they don't want to be
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  threatened. And that goes also to show that
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  it's so important for all of us to gain worldly perspective,
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  knowledge. For Americans to know these
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  things has happened in other parts of the world like cultural
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  revolution, just like you know, Holocaust in World War 2, We as
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  human being needs to learn from it and hopefully prevent it from
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  happening again. What was the particular trigger?
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  So in 1966 you would have been six years old, is what I
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  understand. That's when the Cultural
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  Revolution started. What was the trigger?
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  Why 1966 that they that the government did this dramatic
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  action? Because the then the leader
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  recognized that his position was threatened by people with
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  knowledge, education. And so the way to remove those
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  people is to get people excited and movement throughout the
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  country to overthrow these leaders.
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  So it's the dictator. How did it impact you?
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  How did it impact you? Where were you growing up?
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  What were your parents doing at that time?
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  Did you have siblings? Tell me more about your
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  childhood in the 60s. I grew up in the southern city
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  of China near Shanghai, called Hangzhou.
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  We're family of four, my parents, my father is as as your
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  doctor, my mother is a teacher. But despite the fact we're very
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  poor. But I'm about to tell you, you
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  will not believe it. The combined salaries for my
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  parents every month. The combined salaries for both
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  of them were only $15. $15. A month, so four of us had to
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  survive on that. My parents, me and my younger
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  brother who you saw also in the film site.
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  So we will always on the, you know.
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  Was that typical for families in China?
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  So your dad's a doctor and you're living on $15?
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  Exactly. Isn't that amazing?
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  For example, and that's typical after all, China very poor
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  people. Then today China is much better
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  economically, but we're going to come to the talk about that, but
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  also other crisis about faith and corruption and things like
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  that. But then cultural reaching very
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  poor. So for example, we could only
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  afford 8 Watt of electricity every month.
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  A Watt means 12:45 light bulb. We can only consume 1/4 of a
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  light bulb amount electricity per month.
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  The whole family. Beyond a Watt, we could not
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  afford it. So how do you live on this
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  digital amount electricity? I remember my father had a
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  conundrum. We whole a family for living one
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  room. 1 room. Yeah.
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  No bathroom, no kitchen, nothing.
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  Just one room and the SO if he handed a little a Watt little
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  light bulb too high in the room, he could not read the books he
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  want to in his stock. He has to read the books, but
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  the whole room got illuminated. But if he hanged a Watt too very
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  low, he could read the books, but the whole room is dark.
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  So he has to create a solution. Eventually he'd find 1.
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  He put two chairs on top of each other.
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  He handled light bulb a watts on the ceiling and he sits on the
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  second chair on the top and he was reading books.
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  The light bulbs are closer to books.
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  As a kid I was 3 or 4. I remember looking up was the
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  summer. We never had the telephone, we
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  never AC, we have no heater and no running water.
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  So I remember look up. It was so hard that my father
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  was only in his shorts and bare chested and I looked up.
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  I was playing on the ground and looking at daddy's back.
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  He was studying and was so hard. I saw hundreds of little pearls
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  kind of work ethic and that kind of love for the family and each
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  other and. I think it's their work.
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  My parents, they were imprinted by their parents and their
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  parents imprinted by their parents.
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  We have like 5 generations of physicians ever since Qing
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  dynasty. So even though Bed was very
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  poor, but still they were helping each other, you know,
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  helping people as a doctors. So it was, it's just the way it
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  is. The scholarship people with
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  knowledge was held in the very high places in the family.
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  So how did the Cultural Revolution affect you and your
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  little brother? I was almost destroyed by
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  Cultural revolution because 1974.
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  I was 14. I finished my junior high.
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  I was a straight student because I wanted to be a doctor, so like
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  my father. So I studied really hard, which
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  is shown in the film site. Ever since I kept my father
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  study, study, study, and when I finished my junior high age 14,
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  I was looking for attending 10th grade and in the Senior High I
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  was got kicked. I got kicked out of school.
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  I was going to be sent away to labor camp together with 20
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  million others for life. Did you know that that might
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  happen to you? Yes, it was a policy by the
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  government. So were you afraid?
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  Oh yeah. And so did you feel that it
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  would be safer to not study because if you seem too
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  intelligent, they might choose you to deport you?
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  Yeah, yeah, that there was conundrum.
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  If you I love knowledge, I want to be a doctor, so I have to
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  study. But at the same time, once you
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  finish your junior high especially, you have, you know,
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  good grades. That means I have some good
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  education. They will not want you to
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  continue study. So it was the biggest worry the
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  family has that I will have no future.
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  My brother was eight years younger, so my parents were
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  waiting until his terms come. So by me, it was their main, you
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  know, major problem. So my father asked me said in
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  order to avoid being sent away to labor camp like 20 million
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  others for life, or how labour is to play a music instrument or
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  learn how to dance. Because if you could do that,
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  you can get into the government song and dance troupe.
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  Therefore, avoid being sent away to Labour camp.
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  So the government at this time, they were deporting the
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  intelligentsia effectively. And but if you sang and danced,
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  then you could join their basically their propaganda party
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  and sing and dance for them to tell other people.
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  Oh, isn't it great that we live under this government?
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  Exactly. Exactly.
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  So therefore you can be exempted from being sent away to labor
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  camp, being allowed to stay in the cities.
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  So just I, I have to ask those that were sent to the labor
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  camps, these 20 million young people did, did they start
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  families? What kind of Labor were they
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  doing? What was and were they even,
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  were they ever allowed to go back to the cities to see
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  extended family? Can you share?
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  Do you know what their lives were like?
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  Basically their future will all destroyed because they were not
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  allowed to ever return to the cities and they, you know, at
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  the prime of someone's life at age, you know, 15/16/17 the
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  education will cut off and they was they're all forced to become
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  a hard labour in the some of the poorest part of the country.
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  Most of them got married locally and Can you imagine that you
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  lose that drive and in those critically growth period and
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  after cultural revolution, many of them want to come back to
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  apply for schools and it was difficult because they already
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  missed the prime of their. Lives, and they were 30 or so at
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  this point. Exactly.
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  So there's a whole loss of a whole generation of people in
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  China due to Cultural Revolution.
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  Wow. How do, how do you think, just
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  as a kind of a sidestep here for a minute, how do you think that
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  affected even at China to this day that there was kind of a
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  lost generation? Yes, they're leaders in their
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  40s and 40s and 50s. They're leaders in their 1780s.
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  But in the middle there's a gap because those leaders who should
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  be in their 50s and 60s, they never emerged, become leader in
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  whatever industry because they never got the chance to study
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  what they should be studying when they were 16171819.
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  Did there and the birth rate, I don't know if you can you know,
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  this of for the children that were the victims basically of
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  the Cultural Revolution, their their future children.
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  I know China's one child policy was instituted a little bit
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  after this time and you know, they've obviously relaxed that
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  lately because of a demographic decline, you know, the
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  demographic winter in China. But how was this generation
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  impacted by the one child policy?
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  This generation was in fact also because in 1970s or towards the
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  end the Cultural Revolution, the one child policy was indicated.
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  And however, it's interesting that now China's running to
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  opposite problem that the population decline in part due
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  to dismiss the the the gap that people somehow is missing that
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  generation people who in their primes finish their high school
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  education during that 10 year cultural revolution from 66 to
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  76. They never got advanced in their
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  lives, in their career. So is that because some of them
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  also didn't end up having children?
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  Because what happened is that many of them didn't get married
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  or did not get married at the time of their life.
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  Maybe they get married later. And so overall they just as a
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  whole generation people not as productive not only for work but
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  also the family. Wow.
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  So you escaped this? Barely.
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  Barely. Tell me about your escape.
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  So I had to play the instrument Chinese violin called arhu.
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  ERHU is a 2 string instrument and I had to learn dancing to
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  get into the government song dance troupe to avoid being sent
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  with the labour camp. And But then something very
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  strange happened in the mid 1970s.
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  All of a sudden there was the sudden wave of 10s of thousands
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  Chinese teenagers throughout China.
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  All of a sudden became very interesting music instrument
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  playing, dancing throughout China.
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  Surprising. Yeah.
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  And so everybody start playing some kind of instruments and
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  learning dancing. And didn't take long for the
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  government to recognize those youngsters learning music
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  instruments with ulterior motive, reading a lot more from
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  music dancing, but avoid being sent away to labour camp.
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  So guess what they did? They stopped our music and
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  learning dancing. So I was going to be sent away.
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  I once sent away, I could not be to Labour camp.
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  I would not be allowed to ever return.
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  So would you be able to see your family again?
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  Could they visit you? Yeah, we could visit, but the
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  China, they have what they call hukou, meaning a registration.
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  So people have to live in that registered area.
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  So they will never allowed your registration to ever return to
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  the city. And so I was going to be sent
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  away to labour camp because my little attempt of playing
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  instrument and dancing failed, right?
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  But then got very lucky. That was 1976. the Cultural
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  Revolution ended. So all of a sudden you can go to
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  university again. So in a film site you saw that
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  my parents came home and said, man, you can go back to school
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  again. I thought I'd never be able to
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  hear that in my lifetime. I said really?
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  When they say tomorrow, I said wow.
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  I said, should I go back to 9th grade?
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  Because three years ago I was 14 and then I was 17.
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  I got kicked out the school after 9th grade at age 14.
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  They say no no, you go back to school by jump three years ahead
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  overnight from 9th to 12 having never studied 10th 1112 and
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  compete against other 12 graders for the 1% chance or less than
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  1% chance of getting to college. First of all, why such a small
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  chance? Because they're 10 years of
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  backlog of students who finished their high school between 1960
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  and 7666 and never got the chance to go apply to school.
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  So in 1976, when the university got reopened for the first time
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  in China in 10 years, all those these deported students, many of
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  them still come back to want to apply for college.
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  So we have 10 times more applicants for College in 1976
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  than any of the years before and after.
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  But the problem is how could I jump back to school overnight,
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  never study 10th 1112 grades and compete against other 12 graders
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  for the less than 1% chance getting to college.
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  And I said, why can't I wait for three years?
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  You know, I go back to 9th or maybe 10th and study
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  sequentially and apply for college three years from there.
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  My parents said, no, you need to go back to school.
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  You need to jump ahead three years, you need to compete
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  against 12 graders. And it's interesting.
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  Why didn't they me want me to go, you know, to sequential
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  study and do, but rather do something so almost inhumane
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  impossible. And that's the point of my movie
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  site, is that people? Here in America, when we always
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  have freedom, we do take content takes of for granted as human
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  nature when you always have something.
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  But for people who don't have freedom, when the freedom can,
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  however briefly, they appreciate it.
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  My parents were afraid that government could shut down
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  today. When you went back to school,
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  was it difficult? Oh, it's very hard because I
• 21:48
  only have like less than three months.
• 21:50
  I have to jump to three years and somehow I get myself into
• 21:53
  top less than 1% of 12th graders.
• 21:56
  But my parents helped. So what happened is my father
• 22:01
  who is an internist, he just basically talked a bunch of his
• 22:05
  patients found out a math teacher, physics teacher,
• 22:09
  chemist teacher say hey listen I will take care of your family
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  for life medically no charge. So can you come to our home to
• 22:18
  coach my 17 year old son? So all these teachers descended
• 22:25
  in my parents house and they told me like day and night how
• 22:29
  to study. Under the light bulb.
• 22:31
  Yes, under the 8 Watt light bulb and I'm very grateful to my
• 22:34
  parents. That's why the film site is
• 22:36
  dedicated to my parents. What incredible people.
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  Yeah. A lot of love and and
• 22:41
  determination, yes. So you're, so you, you're, you
• 22:45
  go to high school, you somehow manage people.
• 22:47
  You're brilliant and that and you, you know how to work twice
• 22:49
  as hard and half the time, right.
• 22:51
  According to your book. So you're able to finish your
• 22:54
  high school education. Yeah, I didn't finish.
• 22:56
  I was able to jump straight according to college.
• 22:58
  Excuse me? You were able to jump straight
• 23:00
  effectively. It's behind you now, going to
• 23:02
  college. What happens next?
• 23:03
  So I got into universal science and technology in China, which
• 23:06
  is like MIT of China, very strong in technology.
• 23:09
  So I studied chemical physics, specific laser physics.
• 23:12
  I want to be laser physicist. Then in 1982, I got a chance to
• 23:18
  apply for Graduate School to study in America.
• 23:20
  I met a visiting American professor who I tried to impress
• 23:24
  him with my then almost non existent English by asking him a
• 23:30
  question, but he had no idea what I was asking.
• 23:32
  But my English is so poor so all I could do it was keep on asking
• 23:36
  the same question because I have no idea what he was saying.
• 23:39
  But finally he was impressed not by my English but probably by
• 23:42
  lack of but he was impressed by my persistence or asking the
• 23:46
  same question over and over. So in 1982, with $50, $50
• 23:53
  bottled with a Chinese English Dictionary, I arrived in America
• 23:58
  at age 21 with only $50 could could hardly speak English,
• 24:03
  knowing no one in this country, but with a big dream, American
• 24:07
  dream. Even though I was nearly
• 24:08
  penniless. But I was.
• 24:10
  I was happy because I was free. And you were here to study?
• 24:15
  Yes. And your parents were cheering
• 24:17
  you on from China, Yes. What about your brother?
• 24:20
  My brother came later. Later In fact when I came, it
• 24:23
  was interesting. I came with two other guys and
• 24:26
  three of us were all very poor. But my mom spent two months her
• 24:30
  salary to buy me a three piece suit so that she said you come
• 24:36
  to America, they dress very nicely.
• 24:38
  Well, so I show up with three on American campus.
• 24:43
  We're most formally dressed. We may be 3 of the poorest
• 24:45
  students, but we were best dressed.
• 24:47
  So people were laughing at us because I found out people are
• 24:50
  very casual on American campuses, you know, in blue
• 24:53
  jeans and shirts. So we said, oh, we need to dress
• 24:55
  like American, otherwise people will keep on laughing at us.
• 24:58
  But by then, I only had $10. How do you dress like American
• 25:02
  with $10? Salvation Army.
• 25:05
  So in the film site you saw, I got into the Salvation with $10.
• 25:08
  I bought a whole trash bag of used clothes.
• 25:12
  So we dress like Americans, but we got more laughs.
• 25:15
  Why? That was 1982.
• 25:17
  We were dressed in the clothes that people used to wear here in
• 25:20
  the late 1960s, you know, bell bottom pants, bright colored
• 25:24
  shirts. So it was a very funny and
• 25:28
  humble beginning. So when you get to college, so
• 25:31
  you're, you're at, which college are you at now?
• 25:33
  University of Maryland. And you start at University of
• 25:35
  Maryland and you don't know English yet.
• 25:38
  You're you have an English Chinese dictionary.
• 25:40
  Yeah, how did you go to college without having the command yet
• 25:46
  of the English language? I found I have to learn English
• 25:48
  quick. But then I realized something
• 25:50
  else. You cannot just know the
• 25:52
  language without understand the understanding, the culture.
• 25:56
  You know you can make it. Do somebody say Michael Jordan,
• 25:59
  you say who? It's the cultural context.
• 26:02
  It's just as important. As the language, as Michael
• 26:04
  Jordan, he's the best, right? Exactly.
• 26:06
  So you have to know the context, right?
• 26:07
  The name should ring a bell if you know the American culture.
• 26:11
  So. I said it's OK, I don't know.
• 26:13
  I don't know half the sports heroes.
• 26:14
  I myself and I'm American so. So I said, oh, I just, I not
• 26:20
  only have to learn this language, I've learned the
• 26:21
  culture. So how do I learn the culture
• 26:23
  and the language at the same time?
• 26:25
  And quickly, movies. I found a Little Theatre in
• 26:30
  Washington DC called Biography. It's a rundown Little Theatre
• 26:34
  and nobody goes to that theatre. It's almost collapsing.
• 26:37
  But for $1.00 I can see 2 old Hollywood films.
• 26:41
  So I went there for like a whole year and most of the nights and
• 26:45
  a sitting there was $1.00. I would never leave the theater
• 26:48
  for hours and hours. I probably see more classical
• 26:50
  Hollywood films than most average Americans.
• 26:54
  So I learned the language and the culture at the same time by
• 26:57
  watching films. What was your favorite movie?
• 27:00
  It's a wonderful life. Yeah, good.
• 27:02
  Time with the arts and Godfather gone with the wind.
• 27:07
  So after you, so you learn English because of just sheer
• 27:11
  determination and your intelligence, you get you
• 27:14
  complete your degree, then you end up at Harvard Medical School
• 27:17
  getting a dual degree at from MIT and Harvard, right?
• 27:21
  How did that happen? Because.
• 27:23
  Well, I should know by now, you're very smart and you work
• 27:25
  very hard. But tell me the story.
• 27:26
  I I my old dream of wanting to be a doctor as a child, you
• 27:31
  know, emulating my father got re emerged.
• 27:34
  I said, you know, I'm, I'm in a free country now in cultural
• 27:37
  illusion China. I was not even allowed to go to
• 27:39
  high school and much less to medical school.
• 27:41
  Now in a free country, I should be able to realize my dream of
• 27:45
  becoming a doctor. So I actually met a professor
• 27:48
  and I gave him the resume. I said I want to find out how to
• 27:51
  apply for Med school. And he looked at me.
• 27:53
  He didn't look at my resume. He throw to the side.
• 27:55
  He looked at me. He said, where you from?
• 27:58
  I said, China. He said, look, do you know how
• 28:01
  hard it is to get into medical school, even for students born
• 28:05
  here? You're from China.
• 28:07
  I don't know how good you are. Don't waste your time.
• 28:10
  So he made a determination, Didn't look at my resume, what
• 28:12
  I've done just based on essentially my ethnicity and
• 28:16
  color of my skin. And that's racial
• 28:18
  discrimination. So but that didn't stop me.
• 28:22
  Fortunately. I realized, you know, during
• 28:24
  cultural revolution, after ending the Cultural Revolution,
• 28:26
  I had to fight really hard to have a future.
• 28:28
  Now I have to fight again for my future, even the free country,
• 28:32
  but not just for myself this time for also for all people who
• 28:35
  have been discriminate against because they're race and
• 28:37
  ethnicity. So I work even harder.
• 28:40
  So I got into Harvard Medical School and MIT joint program and
• 28:45
  I graduated. But after I became a doctor, I
• 28:49
  said that professor need to learn something, right?
• 28:52
  He needs to learn something, but it's wrong to discriminate
• 28:55
  people. You need to look at the content
• 28:58
  of content rather than color of the skin.
• 29:01
  So I wrote my book autobiography.
• 29:03
  There was many years later and I put him in in the book and I
• 29:08
  said I'm going to call the professor, tell him I did become
• 29:11
  a doctor should not discriminate me then.
• 29:14
  So I call called the school and he died already because it was
• 29:18
  many years later. So I said, oh, the professor
• 29:20
  didn't get a chance to learn, but in a funny way he did.
• 29:25
  So here's the interesting question.
• 29:26
  How could someone who died after that they can still learn
• 29:29
  something in life. So this is what happened after I
• 29:31
  wrote the book. My Autobiography from Darkness
• 29:34
  is about my journey as an immigrant for freedom and faith,
• 29:38
  which we'll talk about in a moment.
• 29:40
  In that book I talk about this experience made discriminate
• 29:43
  against and so the the based on the book the movie was being
• 29:48
  shot in Vancouver, Canada in early 2020 and this scene took
• 29:53
  place the racial discrimination scene and when the Yang Ming
• 29:56
  play me who the professors all you're Chinese you're no good.
• 30:00
  He was very angry going to turn around and stay really hard
• 30:03
  right. Something out of the script
• 30:05
  happened under the watch for eyes of 250 people, about half
• 30:09
  them crew and half them cast. Something complete out of the
• 30:12
  script happened. I was hiding behind A1 barrier.
• 30:15
  I jumped into the light and did the cinematographer say, oh,
• 30:19
  where did the Ming come from? Well, it's kind of fun, Let me
• 30:21
  keep on shooting. He did not stop and I went to
• 30:24
  the Yao Ming side. I said Yao Ming, I got this for
• 30:27
  us. I look at the professor's eyes
• 30:30
  and the professor who's sitting there who just give their racial
• 30:32
  discrimination remark looked up for me.
• 30:35
  So he was very surprised. He looked to the side, the
• 30:38
  director, he said, director, should I say something?
• 30:40
  This is not part of the script. And I said, hey, professor,
• 30:43
  don't look around. Look at me.
• 30:45
  Do you know who I am? The actors?
• 30:47
  I don't know, I and the obviously, so I shouldn't
• 30:50
  probably should not say who you are, but I said I'm the main
• 30:54
  from the future. I said, do you know, professor,
• 30:57
  what happened to me so many years ago?
• 30:59
  You, you said the horrible things to me.
• 31:01
  All you, you're Chinese, you're no good.
• 31:03
  I'm so glad I did not listen to you because had I listened, I
• 31:07
  would have given up. So today, professor, after so
• 31:10
  many years, I time travel back because I want to tell you
• 31:14
  professor, racial discrimination has no place on this planet.
• 31:18
  So then I put my hands on the Yum Ming shot.
• 31:19
  I said, Yum Ming, let's get out of here.
• 31:21
  So we walked out and they actually shot this blooper, the
• 31:23
  outtake that is, that is on YouTube that.
• 31:26
  Is that? Is yeah, so the professor did
• 31:28
  learn something. But the point is, discrimination
• 31:31
  does exist. The best way to fight
• 31:32
  discrimination? The answer lies in each of us.
• 31:35
  We need to work even harder, make something in our lives and
• 31:40
  come back to to. What's so remarkable?
• 31:42
  That is Doctor Wing, it did not deter you, right?
• 31:45
  You doubled down. Yeah.
• 31:47
  It's almost like another challenge.
• 31:48
  You know, say I will fight for use my freedom to fight for an
• 31:52
  education and fight for this vision, this dream that I have.
• 31:55
  Yes. And you succeeded.
• 31:57
  Yeah, I think it's a message to all of the people who may ever
• 32:00
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  So during this time, you don't have a faith yet.
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  And I'm, I know we're going to get there in a minute, which is
• 33:04
  very exciting to hear your story with that.
• 33:06
  But I am curious going going from living in China where you
• 33:11
  were under threat of being deported to a labor camp and
• 33:15
  your whole future just cut off and your parents probably
• 33:20
  anxious for your future. You're anxious for your future.
• 33:23
  You're not sure there's instability in your country.
• 33:25
  You're not sure what's going to happen next.
• 33:27
  Things keep changing. And then you come to the United
• 33:30
  States and you said you use the word freedom.
• 33:32
  You have this freedom. What did it feel like when you
• 33:35
  were in China with all these insecurities?
• 33:37
  And then how did you feel differently once you came to the
• 33:40
  United States? I think the biggest difference,
• 33:44
  you know, the, the, the film's called sight.
• 33:47
  Who appreciates sight, the vision the most are those who
• 33:50
  used to be blind, who appreciate freedom the most are those who
• 33:55
  used to not have freedom. So sight, it's about their
• 33:59
  message. So the biggest difference for me
• 34:02
  after coming to a free nation is recognize I got to go to school
• 34:08
  now I got to get a chance to study.
• 34:11
  That's amazing. I can realize my dream and I
• 34:15
  could have a build a life for myself.
• 34:18
  And that sense of freedom, be able to pursue one's goal in
• 34:21
  life. It's precious.
• 34:24
  But The thing is, the point is that if one is always born with
• 34:28
  their option and their freedom, it's human nature to take it for
• 34:32
  granted. And that's the message of sight.
• 34:35
  This remind all of us, we live in a great country.
• 34:38
  We got our problems, yes, but we still have the best nation.
• 34:42
  And people always say what? What's the proof mean?
• 34:44
  This is a great country. I would say I'll give you proof.
• 34:48
  We got immigration problem that everybody wants to come to live
• 34:51
  here. Do we have a immigration
• 34:53
  problem? Let's start with E that
• 34:55
  everybody wants to leave America.
• 34:57
  Now why America attract people from around the world is because
• 35:01
  America offers something that all human being needs peace,
• 35:04
  security, fairness, opportunity. Yeah, and the, and the project
• 35:10
  to protect that, yes. You know, those, those beautiful
• 35:13
  things that America is despite all of our flaws, Yes, instead
• 35:16
  of to constantly divide and fight.
• 35:18
  And it it's, it is the project. And and, and I know we were
• 35:22
  talking earlier about how passionate you are about
• 35:25
  building common ground and which is kind of a, you know, no one
• 35:29
  talks about that anymore. I feel like in political
• 35:31
  discourse, common ground, it's all about how bad you are, know
• 35:35
  how bad you are and this endless devolution.
• 35:38
  You know, yes, right, Of of. Wagging.
• 35:40
  Of the fingers it's a human nature it's interesting I study
• 35:42
  I mean my little booklet Shibangom Bay or accomplished
• 35:44
  double in half the time it's overcoming existing human nature
• 35:49
  human nature's inefficient irrational emotional our human
• 35:53
  nature is to divide to polarize for power control and money
• 36:00
  that's. The the woundedness of the human
• 36:02
  nature, yeah. So human nature is always, if
• 36:05
  you look at the cup, which is half 4, we tend to look at the
• 36:09
  half empty part, complain about all you're white, you're black,
• 36:14
  you're Latino, you're Asian, we're different, all you're
• 36:16
  Democrat, Republican, we are different.
• 36:19
  We have to overcome the human nature of fixation on
• 36:23
  differences and start appreciating and look at
• 36:26
  America, look at the half four part of the cup.
• 36:29
  What a blessing to live in this country, to have a freedom and
• 36:33
  opportunity for faith for myself.
• 36:35
  And we need to overcome of human nature, of fixation of power on
• 36:41
  divisions that give people the power, control, money and to
• 36:46
  look at for human race to survive.
• 36:49
  Ultimately we have to overcome our natural tendency of division
• 36:53
  and polarization and to find that common ground.
• 36:56
  That's how we can survive. There's a little piece of rock
• 36:59
  flying space with 685 kilometers per second.
• 37:03
  It could be hit by any meteoroid any time, and we are all
• 37:07
  vulnerable inhabitants of this piece of rock called Earth.
• 37:11
  Human nature, human being, has no choice but to find a way to
• 37:14
  live together. When you went to school, why did
• 37:19
  you choose to study the eye, the human eye?
• 37:22
  I wanted to be a doctor because after PhD in laser physics from
• 37:26
  Maryland finished post of MIT. So at age 26 I was a laser
• 37:30
  physicist already from MIT. So then I said I want to study
• 37:34
  medicine because as a kid I want to be a doctor.
• 37:38
  So I got into Harvard MD, Harvard MIT joint MD program.
• 37:43
  Then one day the professor brought, you know, different
• 37:46
  patients for us to experience. That was like being a patient.
• 37:50
  One day was for the vision. So they brought a blind person.
• 37:54
  It's a 57 year old lady who was born blind.
• 37:57
  So we're surrounding her. Ask a question about her life.
• 38:00
  So all of a sudden a question occurred to me.
• 38:02
  I said you have never seen. She said, no, I've never seen.
• 38:05
  I was born blind. I said, then what does red mean
• 38:08
  to you? What does blue mean to you?
• 38:11
  She paused for a moment. She said red means something
• 38:15
  warm and fluffy, blue cold and slippery.
• 38:19
  So all of a sudden I realized that for someone for human being
• 38:22
  who never had the opportunity to see, they have to substitute
• 38:26
  this essential sense of vision with something much less ideal
• 38:30
  textile and temperature sense. So I think it will be so
• 38:34
  inspirational to devote my life to bring people out the darkness
• 38:39
  to I think every human being deserve to see.
• 38:44
  That's so beautiful. And you did that.
• 38:48
  That's why you did that. So I want to hear that story,
• 38:52
  how you began your research. Yeah, did the film site began
• 38:57
  with we met this five year old child from India who was orphan
• 39:03
  already. But one night, her name is
• 39:05
  Kajol, 5 years old, her stepmother pours sulfuric acid
• 39:09
  in both of her eyes, trying to make Kajol a blind orphan child
• 39:12
  who then sing on the streets. Who will get more money from
• 39:16
  tourists? So just even just, I know you
• 39:19
  share this in the in your book and it's in the film.
• 39:21
  It's just it's very devastating to hear, you know, the story of
• 39:25
  this little girl and to know, to contemplate that there's a lot
• 39:28
  of other little ones like this. Which part of India was she?
• 39:32
  From near Calcutta, India. And, and it was a stepmother and
• 39:35
  she was 5, so she had sight, her vision was fine and they blinded
• 39:39
  her intentionally. Intentionally and because a
• 39:42
  blind orphan child who can then sing on the street or get more
• 39:46
  sympathy and go money more money from tourists.
• 39:50
  So could you always maliciously planned as such.
• 39:53
  But then they found that she couldn't sing.
• 39:54
  She didn't have the talent of singing.
• 39:56
  That's why she was abandoned in the train station near Calcutta,
• 39:59
  India. That's how we found her blind 5
• 40:02
  year old and almost starved to death.
• 40:05
  So our foundation, I build a foundation to help 9 orphan
• 40:09
  children brought her to America. So the film site is about
• 40:12
  Cajole's remarkable journey to try to come from darkness to
• 40:16
  light. How?
• 40:17
  How I have to ask, I want to hear her story.
• 40:20
  But you just said, oh, and I had this foundation that was
• 40:22
  bringing orphanage nerve from India.
• 40:24
  How did you found the foundation?
• 40:26
  Because I realized that that it's devastating if a human
• 40:32
  being lives through life cannot see.
• 40:36
  I realized that compared with many different senses, you know,
• 40:38
  hearing, speech, touching, speaking, one, what's one sense
• 40:44
  when that is missing is the most devastating.
• 40:47
  And I realized it's vision. So I wanted to do something to
• 40:54
  help people restore eyesight, especially for those who have
• 40:57
  the least means or least voice being heard and blind, orphaned
• 41:05
  children are the most need. And I build a foundation to do
• 41:11
  that. How did you find blind orphan
• 41:14
  children? Because they're by nature so
• 41:15
  vulnerable and so difficult. They're they're falling through
• 41:17
  the cracks. I usually work with church
• 41:20
  groups. By then I was a Christian
• 41:21
  already and missionaries and they are travelling in the third
• 41:25
  world countries. And that's how I identified
• 41:28
  these kids. And our foundation that medical
• 41:30
  care is free, but we raise money to help people.
• 41:34
  You know that travel and education these kids.
• 41:38
  In fact, during Cultural Illusion, I learned how to
• 41:40
  dance. That's to survive.
• 41:42
  But now I create a concept called the eyeball that my
• 41:47
  dancing ability combined with medical charity to raise money
• 41:50
  to help learn orphan children. So income to eyeball.
• 41:53
  It's beautiful. It's a beautiful.
• 41:55
  Yeah. It's a ball.
• 41:56
  Yeah. It's a beautiful classical
• 41:57
  ballroom dancing. Yeah.
• 41:59
  But when you see that beautiful ball, you see all the beautiful
• 42:02
  ball guns and tails and Viennese words that remind you how
• 42:06
  precious our side is and how indispensable, how terrible, if
• 42:11
  one has to go through life without being able to see.
• 42:15
  So that is how I combine my suffering in cultural revolution
• 42:20
  that I had to learn dance to escape labor camp.
• 42:23
  Now for a very worthwhile cause to help 9 orphan children.
• 42:27
  Wow, when the so a church, it sounds like a church in the
• 42:32
  outside. Folkatis found this little girl.
• 42:34
  Yes. She's half starved to death.
• 42:36
  They sprang her in and now she's blind.
• 42:38
  So they think, what can we do? And so does she get on a plane
• 42:41
  and come to the United States? Yes, we raised money to help
• 42:44
  travel and I saw her and I found her.
• 42:46
  She was both eyes totally blind and she was very scared.
• 42:54
  And I look at her eyes, it's complete scarred up all white.
• 42:58
  She couldn't see. And we found three host families
• 43:00
  to take care of her. And I start doing research.
• 43:04
  I'm trying to figure out how do I stop scarring in the eye to
• 43:07
  restore her eyesight as many other children as well around
• 43:11
  the world. And the only type of person who
• 43:13
  does not scar is an unborn child.
• 43:16
  In fact, it's very interesting, you and I the same that before
• 43:19
  birth we have this magical ability to heal without scar
• 43:24
  called regeneration. But at the time of birth, we
• 43:27
  lose that. We take on the new process
• 43:29
  called fibrosis or healing with scar.
• 43:32
  And that's what happened to her Kajo then how do I do the
• 43:36
  research on the unborn child, the fetus without hurting the
• 43:39
  fetus life. So that brings up the question
• 43:42
  that people feel there's no common ground between faith and
• 43:44
  science. If a scientifically we need to
• 43:46
  do research to help patients, but from a Christian perspective
• 43:51
  that you don't want to, you want to protect life, but you still
• 43:54
  want to do research. So that's speak to the larger
• 43:56
  question. Today science is rapidly
• 43:58
  developing stem cell, genetic engineering, artificial
• 44:02
  intelligence. So how do you reconcile and find
• 44:06
  that common ground between faith and science?
• 44:07
  Because it clearly either extreme is wrong.
• 44:10
  It's about the combining together move our country, our
• 44:14
  humankind forward. So I start doing research and I
• 44:17
  realized that I want to do fetal research, but I don't want to
• 44:21
  hurt the baby. So is that possible to find out
• 44:25
  why the baby can heal without scar before birth?
• 44:28
  And by then I was already a Christian and I so much prayer
• 44:32
  and working with other scientists.
• 44:34
  I think God has answered all prayer.
• 44:35
  And then perhaps the way to solve this dilemma between faith
• 44:39
  and science is to look at what happened in a baby before birth.
• 44:43
  We were all surrounded by the amniotic SAC and we lose that
• 44:47
  placenta amniot protection at the time of birth.
• 44:50
  So the idea is perhaps the reason why unborn child can hear
• 44:53
  without scar. Maybe the secrets like in the
• 44:56
  membrane, the amniotic membrane. So I went to hospitals, I saw
• 45:00
  many mothers ready to give birth to children.
• 45:02
  I said, can I have that placenta?
• 45:04
  And they looked at me say young man, you can have it, we don't
• 45:06
  need it. So I got this bloody placenta
• 45:09
  every day that brought to the laboratory the bloody placenta
• 45:12
  from the hospitals and wash them and clean them and start doing
• 45:15
  research. Long story short, that invented
• 45:18
  developed the amniotic membrane of placenta contact lens.
• 45:22
  So it's interesting when I put these on the injured patient
• 45:25
  eyes magic happened. Basically imagine your little
• 45:29
  cell on the surface, the eye, an injured eye.
• 45:32
  Look up, you see this tent and neotic tank.
• 45:35
  You say, oh, I guess we're not born yet.
• 45:37
  Guess what we used to be behave our body tissue before birth.
• 45:41
  We have the regenerated ability or healing without scar.
• 45:45
  So the eyes start heal with much less scar.
• 45:47
  So the eyes, this is it's it's mind blowing.
• 45:50
  So the eyes are covered and it's part of the placenta you're
• 45:52
  using and but the amniotic fluid, how do you get it's not
• 45:56
  actual amniotic fluid you're using?
• 45:58
  Yeah, I'm gonna use the amniot membrane because the what's
• 46:00
  that's the crease, the amniot fluid.
• 46:02
  Wow. So I cover it and basically.
• 46:05
  So you like, I mean cutting very thin strips ultimately of
• 46:08
  placental, yeah, material to put.
• 46:10
  Over the eye, it's like a salve. It's like a Saran wrap.
• 46:13
  Wow. But it's a biological
• 46:15
  regenerative Saran wrap. With that, you work on other
• 46:18
  things besides wounded eyes. Yeah, we're working on the burn
• 46:22
  victims helping American military.
• 46:24
  Covering them with placental. Material you can reduce scar.
• 46:27
  So because soldiers put their lives on the line so that we
• 46:30
  could have freedom in this country, you know, so that's our
• 46:33
  next project to for the burn victims for the eye.
• 46:37
  That's amazing. They can reduce scar, restore
• 46:40
  Isa. Then I decided I want to donate.
• 46:46
  So I got a pattern but I donate it So what I think?
• 46:51
  That that I mean, I'm going to guess that that kind of
• 46:55
  intellectual property could be worth.
• 46:57
  Yes, yeah. Incredible amounts of money.
• 46:59
  Yeah, it's. A.
• 47:00
  All the uses of it. It's today is a $5 billion
• 47:03
  industry per year and your member in contact lens a $5
• 47:06
  billion industry. No way.
• 47:08
  Yeah, but I donate it, so I. So how many years ago did you
• 47:11
  invent this? That was 20 years ago.
• 47:13
  Yeah. So wow, I I not only donate it,
• 47:16
  I but also went around the world to about 50 some countries over
• 47:20
  20 year period taught of without charging over 10,000 eye doctors
• 47:24
  how to use it. So I put my pattern online.
• 47:27
  So everybody learned right away the secret and I also taught.
• 47:30
  So today it's a $5 billion industry eye doctors from nearly
• 47:34
  every nation. So using it, millions have
• 47:36
  eyesight restored. Millions have had eyesight
• 47:39
  restored because of your discovery.
• 47:41
  Yeah, wow. And the reason donated 2
• 47:43
  reasons. One is I felt it's a technology
• 47:48
  that if I donate, it would be much faster to be developed
• 47:51
  because people need help, you know, yesterday.
• 47:55
  And so by donating, I can speed up the, the, the technology
• 47:58
  availability. And especially as an immigrant,
• 48:01
  I'm very grateful to this country that I would not, I will
• 48:06
  be, you know, the thrown into labor camp during cultural
• 48:09
  revolution. So I think as an immigrant, I
• 48:12
  want to help and contribute. And second reason is by then I
• 48:16
  was a Christian already. I realized that I didn't really
• 48:19
  invent the amnio membrane contact lens because I did not
• 48:21
  invent the amnio membrane. I did not invent the placenta.
• 48:25
  So as a scientist and a Christian, I was just very
• 48:28
  privileged to be given the opportunity to catch a little
• 48:32
  glimpse part of God's original creation.
• 48:36
  So credit, she goes where the credit belongs.
• 48:39
  That's why I donated. I think the best part is being
• 48:44
  able to we bring people out the darkness, particularly those who
• 48:50
  are in the dark corner. I get least opportunity to be
• 48:53
  helped because it's not complicated surgery.
• 48:56
  It's a little contact lens and it's now worldwide.
• 49:00
  What happened to the little girl?
• 49:02
  So could you all we that this has to do this segue to my faith
• 49:10
  journey. We got all the technologies.
• 49:16
  I worked very hard and we prayed before the surgery.
• 49:20
  Everything surgery failed completely failed because during
• 49:26
  surgery I realized that I I saw something no eye doctor should
• 49:30
  see that the stepmother who blinded her kept the eye open
• 49:34
  when the acid corroded through the whole layer.
• 49:37
  So I didn't have any piece of tissue left on the eye to
• 49:39
  restore her eyesight. And I've done some very, very
• 49:43
  difficult reconstructive surgery.
• 49:45
  So if I have a little piece of teacher, I can restore some part
• 49:47
  of her vision. But no chance.
• 49:50
  So what made worse is I came out the operating room, a bunch of
• 49:55
  reporters all in the waiting room ready to take pictures,
• 49:58
  asked me questions that I just escaped in the film you said I
• 50:01
  just ran away. I was soaked in sweat and I was
• 50:04
  so angry not only at the STEM mother who committed such an
• 50:07
  atrocity to A5 year old pressure in the chart.
• 50:10
  I also, I was angry at my own God because I didn't realize
• 50:16
  that number one, if a God is so all powerful, why didn't why did
• 50:20
  he allow such malicious happen, this acid intentional injury to
• 50:25
  someone so helpless? But not only that, God, we got
• 50:28
  the technology, we prayed. Why didn't God answer my prayer
• 50:32
  to give me a little piece of tissue left in conscious eyes?
• 50:35
  I might be able to do some reconstruction so to restore
• 50:38
  some part of her vision. So everyday people came and say,
• 50:41
  oh, me, Doctor Wang with the Kajol, see tomorrow.
• 50:44
  And there's nobody behind me to answer the question.
• 50:47
  So I, my Christian faith was fundamentally shaken.
• 50:51
  I started saying, if God does not answer a prayer, does really
• 50:57
  God care? Does he really care?
• 50:59
  So that year, every year we have a foundation, the eyeball that
• 51:04
  always featured the patients we help that year.
• 51:06
  So that year was featuring Kajol, 500 people in ball, guns
• 51:11
  and tails on the stage with three host families, me and
• 51:14
  Kajol standing on the site and they told us about how they took
• 51:17
  care of Kajol, the host families.
• 51:19
  I remember 111 year old child in the microphone because I was
• 51:23
  still very angry in my own gut and about the whole thing
• 51:27
  standing by Kajol who's in little skirt, a beautiful skirt
• 51:31
  and as you couldn't see, she's blind.
• 51:35
  So the 11 year old boy who I was one of the host families and
• 51:40
  said to everybody, he said because y'all couldn't see, but
• 51:44
  we play with her every day in our backyard.
• 51:46
  But even though she couldn't see, she will find us wherever
• 51:49
  we hide it. And so she's smiling and chasing
• 51:56
  after us. So the boy turned around to
• 51:58
  daddy because you had nothing. She's she's fine, she's happy.
• 52:01
  So daddy, I don't need my iPod anymore.
• 52:05
  Hey, it was iPod at the time. So as standing on the side I
• 52:11
  recognize at the moment that could your suffering, even
• 52:14
  though none of us wants to see that happen to such a child.
• 52:17
  You know, the innocent child with such a unspeakable tragedy,
• 52:21
  but at least could your suffering has positively
• 52:25
  impacted the the kids around her.
• 52:28
  Make them realize those American kids, that how blessed they are
• 52:33
  to have what they have in their lives.
• 52:36
  And so then the three host family goes to the side, and
• 52:41
  Kajol and I step to the microphone in the middle.
• 52:43
  And I could give Kajol the microphone.
• 52:44
  Say, Kajol, you couldn't see them.
• 52:46
  But there are 500 people at the Eyeball attendees tonight.
• 52:49
  We all love you so much. Say something in English because
• 52:51
  I know that language she picked up after she arrived in America
• 52:54
  a few months prior. Kajol took the microphone.
• 52:58
  But she surprised me. She got a little grim and smile.
• 53:01
  She had a little secret she did not tell me.
• 53:04
  Remember, she was intentionally blinded back in India because
• 53:07
  they were trying to make a blind orphan child who then sing on
• 53:09
  the streets will get more money from tourists.
• 53:12
  But then they found she couldn't sing.
• 53:13
  That's why she was abandoned in the train station.
• 53:16
  We brought her here. So in her five year old mind,
• 53:19
  after she came to free country, more than that fact that she
• 53:23
  wants to be able to see, she wants to be able to learn how to
• 53:26
  sing. Yeah.
• 53:28
  She wants to prove that she was worth keeping.
• 53:32
  So so she started living with three host families and she one
• 53:42
  of the most is how to learn to sing.
• 53:46
  So that moment I gave her the microphone and say, say
• 53:48
  something because, you know, we couldn't you couldn't see the
• 53:50
  movie love story so much. She said, doctor, when I want to
• 53:53
  sing a song, she took a microphone and she she sang a
• 53:59
  song. And the song that she's saying
• 54:02
  in front all of us 500 attendees who love her so much.
• 54:06
  This little, precious little child who despite Love's
• 54:10
  tragedy, the tough cars that life has dealt her with, she
• 54:17
  found a way to move on. And the song that she picked
• 54:21
  herself because she after come to this country, she learned
• 54:24
  from this hosting family, kids, how to sing because Kajol wants
• 54:28
  to prove that she should not be abandoned again, she's worth
• 54:31
  keeping. So she sang a song and the song
• 54:34
  was Jesus loves me, the song that she picked herself.
• 54:37
  So that picture that could you always sing the song.
• 54:41
  And I was given a microphone appear in the Reuters that year
• 54:45
  in the newspapers in 70 some countries through the world.
• 54:49
  So the point is life sometimes deal with hardship,
• 54:55
  difficulties. We don't have control, but we
• 55:00
  have control of how we deal with that.
• 55:02
  God ultimately will answer our prayer, but perhaps not in our
• 55:10
  way, but maybe only in His way at His time.
• 55:14
  We have to trust that God will answer.
• 55:16
  In this case, God did answer in the sense that He wants to get
• 55:19
  your suffering and tragedy to positive impact the lives of
• 55:25
  other kids around her. So I think it's as a Christian,
• 55:27
  that's one of the toughest tests.
• 55:29
  You know, your loved one got sick, you know, people die, you
• 55:33
  pray to God and loved ones still get sick and still die.
• 55:36
  You said God, did you hear me? I think God has bigger picture
• 55:40
  and God has different timing. Just because God did not answer
• 55:44
  or pray, seemingly we should still trust Him because He will
• 55:47
  answer, but only in His way at His time.
• 55:50
  Your determination to help her and to invent, yeah, the
• 55:55
  technology you invented has helped millions of people.
• 55:58
  Yes yeah didn't they're not work in Kajol, but worked on another
• 56:02
  child at the in the film that a 15 year old often missionaries
• 56:08
  brought from Moldova. She never remember how she never
• 56:12
  had a memory of sight and student membrane, the
• 56:17
  technology. And at the end of film, I prayed
• 56:22
  and I'd still trust in God that he would deliver.
• 56:25
  And her name is Maria. We open her patch and I give her
• 56:32
  a mirror to look in the mirror. She goes, I'm so pretty.
• 56:36
  She had never seen herself. So that's the end of the movie
• 56:40
  side. And I think it's a movie called
• 56:43
  Sight, but it's more than just a physical side.
• 56:45
  It's about our emotional side, spiritual side.
• 56:48
  We should all see beyond what we have in life, seem beyond pain,
• 56:55
  in control, seem beyond our circumstance like my parents
• 56:58
  seem beyond circumstance at a time during cultural revolution,
• 57:01
  seem beyond ourselves. I think that's the difference
• 57:04
  between someone who have faith in Christ, who doesn't is life
• 57:08
  is not just about ourselves, seem beyond our own culture.
• 57:11
  Whether you're Asian, Latino, white, you know, African
• 57:15
  American, we need to see beyond our own culture and finally seem
• 57:18
  beyond polarization. That's the most important
• 57:21
  message of Film site is we need to see beyond our fixation on
• 57:25
  differences. As fellow Americans, we need to
• 57:27
  recognize we all have so much to work together for to rebuild our
• 57:32
  country. Beautiful.
• 57:34
  What became of Kajal? Do you know where she's?
• 57:37
  Doing Kajal had to return to India because she didn't have
• 57:42
  the relatives that could enable her to stay in this country.
• 57:45
  Even though all three host families we found for her all
• 57:48
  fought to keep her to adopt her. But immigration policies that
• 57:52
  was not allowed that she returned to China.
• 57:54
  So we lost contact but recently. Returned to India.
• 57:57
  India return to India Exactly. She came from India and so
• 58:01
  recently due to the film, there's another friend who
• 58:05
  actually took care of Kajol when she was here, was able to
• 58:08
  eventually find what happened to her and when the process
• 58:11
  reconnecting to her. I actually got a photo recently
• 58:14
  and I'm going to find a way to connect her.
• 58:17
  Her trip to America, even though did not bring her physical side,
• 58:22
  restore her emotional side because she was left here.
• 58:28
  So after she returned to India, she went to college.
• 58:33
  Wow, she even got a master's. Wow, her experience.
• 58:37
  But there was a family that took care of her.
• 58:39
  Yeah, her there. Who?
• 58:41
  Who was the family with? Her, I have to find out the
• 58:43
  detail. Yeah, she was able.
• 58:44
  To get an education. Yeah, get an education in
• 58:46
  college and the master's. So that journey even though did
• 58:50
  not restore her physical side. To hear hear from her, I'm sure
• 58:54
  you would love to hear from her. Yeah, when the process
• 58:57
  reconnecting to her, so that journey transformed her to show
• 59:01
  that at the end of the day, even when no light is coming from
• 59:05
  outside, one can light can emanate from within if one has
• 59:09
  love. I can.
• 59:11
  I mean, besides the physical horror of what she endured, it's
• 59:14
  also the rejection. Yes, because they abandoned her
• 59:17
  when she couldn't sing. Yeah, but she was loved here.
• 59:20
  But she was loved here. So quite the story.
• 59:24
  Doctor Wang. I know a big part of their
• 59:27
  story, which we haven't gotten to yet, which I am very excited
• 59:30
  to hear from you. And what inspired your ministry
• 59:34
  and your your work to give sight, you know, to those that
• 59:38
  have been injured to the blind was your faith.
• 59:41
  And you went into your education as would you consider yourself
• 59:45
  an atheist? I mean, growing up in China.
• 59:47
  Tell me about your faith background or your lack of faith
• 59:50
  background. The the movie God's Not That
• 59:53
  feature, a Chinese student who came through Cultural Revolution
• 59:56
  came to America riding the bicycle on the American campus.
• 1:00:00
  And their part of the story was inspired by my life story.
• 1:00:02
  So just like that student, actually, when the studio found
• 1:00:07
  the actor to play my part, they sent me the picture in a cell
• 1:00:11
  phone and I looked at it. They said, man, here's the guy
• 1:00:13
  who's going to play you in the movie God's Not That.
• 1:00:15
  And I reply say at least it's better looking.
• 1:00:18
  So they found this actor and. I was an atheist, just like the
• 1:00:22
  student in the movie. And just just for my
• 1:00:26
  understanding for folks listening, you were raised as an
• 1:00:29
  atheist and this was everyone in China at the time.
• 1:00:32
  Religion was not. It wasn't like, oh, we're
• 1:00:34
  atheist. It was like, oh, this is how.
• 1:00:36
  We actually it's still majority, 90% still atheist today. 90%
• 1:00:40
  still atheist. Yeah.
• 1:00:41
  And just for folks listening, I think the I would, I'm going to
• 1:00:44
  guess you tell me what you think of this.
• 1:00:46
  The, the, the experience of a Chinese person being raised as
• 1:00:49
  an atheist looks a little different perhaps than the
• 1:00:53
  American. I'm an atheist.
• 1:00:54
  I'm not a Christian. Would you say culturally there's
• 1:00:57
  a difference there? Can you share more your thoughts
• 1:00:59
  on that? Biggest difference is most of
• 1:01:04
  the atheists in China, they never had the chance to learn
• 1:01:08
  about Christ, learn about faith because they grew up in the
• 1:01:12
  system, the educational system, which is deprived of all faith
• 1:01:16
  and religion. And so the difference between
• 1:01:22
  them and American atheists is that people from country who
• 1:01:26
  they never opportunity, if many of them had a chance to to be
• 1:01:33
  exposed to Christian faith, they probably would gladly take upon
• 1:01:37
  that where, you know, they didn't have the choice.
• 1:01:42
  But in America, the atheist, they made a decision not to
• 1:01:46
  believe. So that's probably the
• 1:01:47
  difference. Yeah.
• 1:01:49
  So I was atheist and I was not interested in anything else
• 1:01:52
  other than science because remember, I fought so hard
• 1:01:55
  during cultural illusion to have the opportunity to study
• 1:01:58
  science. So I was fixating on science,
• 1:02:02
  but it was in the medical school I was studying.
• 1:02:06
  My atheist war view got into crisis because I found that the
• 1:02:10
  more I studied because I want to be an eye doctor after encounter
• 1:02:13
  with that blind patient, more I study about science more
• 1:02:17
  complicated, I realize the eye is interesting thing.
• 1:02:22
  The number of cells in each of our heads involving vision
• 1:02:25
  capturing and interpretation. The number of cells in each of
• 1:02:29
  our head is greater than the number of stars that has ever
• 1:02:34
  been discovered in the entire universe.
• 1:02:37
  We have that many cells in our brain, in each of us, in fact.
• 1:02:40
  What number is that? It's in the trillions of
• 1:02:43
  trillions. Wow.
• 1:02:44
  Yeah, it's more than the number of stars.
• 1:02:46
  A. Googleplex abstract, Yeah.
• 1:02:49
  Exactly. Wow.
• 1:02:50
  In fact, vision, as I said, vision's most important sense is
• 1:02:53
  actually backed up by human anatomy, Physiology, Embryology.
• 1:02:56
  Half our brain cells are involving vision for sure.
• 1:02:59
  How important side is, right? So by sheer random collision, as
• 1:03:07
  you know, evolution and collision, that atheist belief,
• 1:03:10
  it will not be possible to have all these cells in a short span
• 1:03:14
  of nine months from embryo to a human being to form such a
• 1:03:18
  complicated structure with such a precision.
• 1:03:21
  Because 99 Percent, 99.9% time we're born we can see.
• 1:03:25
  So these cells has arranged themselves in such a sequence,
• 1:03:29
  any cells out the line will be born blind.
• 1:03:31
  But 9.9% time we can we're born, we can see.
• 1:03:35
  So it's not possible the random collision, a cell can form
• 1:03:40
  itself in this particular sequence.
• 1:03:42
  So my atheist worldview became reading was in crisis.
• 1:03:46
  So I still asking professor, I said, how could you know?
• 1:03:48
  I couldn't explain the atheist view about the complexity of
• 1:03:51
  human eyes. So one day he was a Christian,
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  but he didn't tell me that. He took me out to lunch.
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  He said, mate, what's a cross street?
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  I said that's a car. He said, what's the difference
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  between a car and human eye? I said, oh, human eyes a little
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  more complicated. He said, OK, Can you imagine a
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  pile of random pieces of metal on the street form itself into a
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  car? I said no way.
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  He said, how about human eye? So right there he opened the
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  door in my life. Make him realize that the reason
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  that human eye is so complicated but yet can form nearly
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  perfectly in such a short period of time, nine months, is because
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  it did off, did not form all the randomness.
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  It was formed with a specific purpose.
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  And their purpose is for eyesight, is for vision.
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  So there's a designer behind it, and there's a creator.
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  Of course, from that point, realizing there's a creator to
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  eventually recognizing the Creator has a name in Jesus
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  Christ. That took me several more years,
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  which all detailed in My Autobiography, From Darkness to
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  Sight. Wow, what you were saying
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  earlier about the number. You were saying the number of
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  cells that helped detect light. Yeah, involving.
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  Involving in vision is what? What was the number?
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  Again, you go ahead. OK, it's greater than the number
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  of stars that we have ever discovered in in that we've.
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  Discovered because I, I think the scientists right, will
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  estimate or astronomers will estimate there's, you know,
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  billions of trillions or trillions of billions that
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  you're saying that we actually can discover we that are
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  observable by human. No, no.
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  Universe, no. 93 billion light years, OK.
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  In diameter, OK, so beyond that is novel observable universe.
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  But in an observable universe 93 billion light years in diameter,
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  all the stars inside still in the number of stars is less than
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  the number of cells involving vision processing in each
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  overhead. So think about all these cells
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  have to line up in the specific order in the nine month.
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  Incredible. So it's basically I found the
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  creator for a fundamental question such as the complexity
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  of human eye that atheist worldview will not be able to
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  explain. In fact, it is interesting.
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  Charles Darwin in his book, in Survivor fittest at the end of
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  the book, he himself said over whatever 200 years ago that my
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  weakness of my theory, the random collisional evolution is
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  the complexity. Human eye.
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  Really. Yeah.
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  He recognized that. He's interesting.
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  Yeah. So that's almost the Achilles.
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  So his evolutionary theory, yes, he thought were challenged by
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  just the specifically the I. Yes, wow, that's the Achilles
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  tendon of his evolution theory. Wow.
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  And I happen to come across that 400 years later studying I.
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  Wow. And now from the eye
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  perspective, I'm very blessed to be able to keep on advancing the
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  knowledge in the human eye to as far as humankind has, you know,
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  to we still need to push the envelope and more knowledge.
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  But I'm fortunate to know quite a bit about the.
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  What is your what are your goals?
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  You've already done so much Doctor Wang.
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  I mean, what you've invented has helped so many people.
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  There are now 2 movies that are made about your life.
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  You've written books. Are you still planning to
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  continue to invent? What?
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  What do you how do you see? I mean, you've accomplished so
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  much in your life. Are you going to like, I got to
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  take a break now? I mean, the fact that you're
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  here, I know you're very, very busy.
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  You're still practicing, but what do you see?
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  Your future? I think God's calling for me are
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  two areas that I'm going to Basically I already been doing
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  but continue focus on focus on as eye doctor.
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  First thing I want to focus on is make available the existing
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  technologies to the people who had least voice, least able to
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  get people think medical advancement needs new
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  experiment, new discovery in the laboratory.
• 1:07:51
  Yes, it will help us for sure. But the true bottleneck of
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  healthcare delivery is for some technology already available,
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  how to bring to the best side of those people who need the most,
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  but yes, least ability to get it.
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  So it's a healthcare delivery process through our foundation
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  and through focusing on those people who need the most but yet
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  get the least help, such as blind orphan children, I think I
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  can continue make an impact, you know, as a one human being.
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  And people say, oh, why you work so hard, you know, so you know,
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  what motivates you. And my answer is that as you see
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  in the film site, when Maria, as I mentioned, the blind orphan
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  child at the end of the film, was able to look at, saw herself
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  for the first time and said, I'm so pretty.
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  That moment is worth all these, you know, decades of work.
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  I think it's so inspiring to be to live my life being able to
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  bring people out the darkness. And people say why you're
• 1:08:53
  passionate about that? I said because I used to be in
• 1:08:55
  the darkness myself during cultural revolution.
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  I had no future as a teenager. So I can relate to people why in
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  the darkness. So I want to do my best to use
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  the technology we already have, such as membrane contact lens,
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  which has transformed the world to the best side of people who
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  need the most around the world. So that's through our
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  foundation. What's the name of your
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  foundation? One foundation for cell
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  restoration. Yeah.
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  So anybody who wants to donate, just visit onefoundation.com.
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  The medical care for all the foundation patients free.
• 1:09:26
  So we raise money through eyeball and others to help their
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  travel, schooling, you know, et cetera, living non medical.
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  How many students or how many people, young people have you
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  been able to help? Probably if you Add all the
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  foundations patient in the thousands now, yeah, it's
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  amazing. That's a direct, that's a direct
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  help, but it's indirect help, meaning I've been teaching the
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  doctors from around the world to how to use the technology and
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  I've taught over 10,000. So including all the patients
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  that they've been able to use the technology, help is in the
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  millings. Yeah, but that's by through.
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  That's why don't it, because by holding the technology myself,
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  it's the speed of being able to help patients is very limited,
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  you know. So this greatly accelerated
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  second focus is beyond medicine because I think I have unique
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  life experience on the East and West, and I see the common
• 1:10:24
  ground between East and West, the best humankind, but not only
• 1:10:28
  common ground between East and West, the common ground between
• 1:10:30
  faith and science, common ground between Democrats, Republicans,
• 1:10:34
  common ground between different race, ethnicity and nations.
• 1:10:39
  And I think as a human being, we need to recognize our human
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  nature. Natural tendency is to look at
• 1:10:46
  the cup half empty. Natural tendency is to be
• 1:10:50
  fixated on differences run appreciating what we have in
• 1:10:54
  common because the polarization division give us power, money
• 1:10:58
  and control. But yet for our country today,
• 1:11:01
  we have faced so many problems, you know, gun violence, opioid
• 1:11:04
  crisis, environmental disaster, racial tension, education,
• 1:11:08
  poverty, healthcare, jobs. Yeah exactly abortion that
• 1:11:13
  defeat his life the sacredness of life and we need to address
• 1:11:18
  those major issues. But people are so busy
• 1:11:22
  polarizing themselves you know arguing I'm better than you or
• 1:11:25
  you but no at the end we should be able to put the interest of
• 1:11:29
  the nation above the interest of any political party.
• 1:11:33
  We need to recognize America's great attracting all the people
• 1:11:37
  from around the world, including myself to come to this country
• 1:11:40
  is because it is a country founded on 2 principle 2
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  Bedrocks, which is 1 is the Constitution, a system of
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  fairness and laws and 2nd is the Bible is you know about
• 1:11:54
  sacredness of life. We talk about but doesn't mean
• 1:11:58
  you cannot do research you can do and you know present the
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  research still advanced science without compromising life right.
• 1:12:04
  It's about the Christian faith which ultimately gave me a
• 1:12:08
  purpose, what I'm going to use the technology for God will give
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  different people a different purpose, depend on the
• 1:12:13
  profession. For me as an eye doctor, beyond
• 1:12:15
  what I normally do as an eye doctor, you know, LASIK surgery
• 1:12:18
  and things like that, is to use my skill to help those who need
• 1:12:22
  the most help, which are blind orphan children.
• 1:12:26
  So the foundation is built because my Christian belief that
• 1:12:29
  God want me to do something specific to advance my belief
• 1:12:34
  and faith. And so the second focus, it is
• 1:12:39
  non medical, but more general of common ground seeking I with my
• 1:12:43
  pastor, we establish a common ground network to study how to
• 1:12:49
  find the common ground. The methodology you got to learn
• 1:12:53
  how right. So we establish a common ground
• 1:12:55
  seeking steps as TPS as see the common ground.
• 1:12:59
  If you are unwilling to see between political differences,
• 1:13:02
  you'll never find it. See T trading places.
• 1:13:06
  He could be willing to trade places and speaking the language
• 1:13:09
  of the listener. And I learned it as an eye
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  doctor because you know, Lila, if I have to fix your eyes, I
• 1:13:16
  have to listen to you and see the world from your perspective
• 1:13:20
  because you're the only person. You're the number one authority
• 1:13:23
  in terms of your eye problem on this planet because you're the
• 1:13:26
  only person who was seeing through their paragraphs.
• 1:13:28
  Yours. Tell us what you see what you
• 1:13:30
  don't see, right? So trading places and Ste. is
• 1:13:35
  empathy, you know, when we meet someone's different opinions,
• 1:13:38
  what do we do? We tend to do as a fellow
• 1:13:40
  Americans, we sometimes yelling and shouting and demonizing the
• 1:13:43
  other side. But instead of doing that, can
• 1:13:45
  we apply what Doctor Rice Bose talk about the salt principle
• 1:13:48
  SALTS start a conversation. A ask a question L listen and
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  then only then talk P pay the price.
• 1:13:58
  If the right thing to do, there's a price to pay.
• 1:14:00
  And finally S is put into action.
• 1:14:01
  Saw the common ground and it was Jesus Christ whose life on this
• 1:14:06
  planet for a few decades that exemplified to be the best
• 1:14:09
  common ground seeker as he saw the common ground with us as
• 1:14:12
  human being. He he traded places with us by
• 1:14:16
  becoming one of us as a human being.
• 1:14:19
  E empathy. He demonstrated empathy even to
• 1:14:21
  the people in the north round the society women by the world.
• 1:14:24
  Nobody wants to talk to her. Christ it he he paid the
• 1:14:27
  ultimate price by dying for our sin at the cross and final S
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  keep putting actions on the common ground.
• 1:14:33
  So I think seeking common ground is Jesus calling to all
• 1:14:36
  Christians is a higher calling above human nature.
• 1:14:40
  Human nature is for division and polarization.
• 1:14:43
  So we need to heed a higher calling and rather than being
• 1:14:46
  the behavior some of the Christians today, some of the
• 1:14:48
  worst polarizers. We should not be the wish where
• 1:14:51
  the country is. So in the dead spiral division
• 1:14:54
  of polarization, Christian should behave differently using
• 1:14:58
  what's uniquely ours, our belief in Christ.
• 1:15:00
  Emulate Christ to be a common ground seeker to the best person
• 1:15:04
  people to demonstrate that I may not be the same with you, but I
• 1:15:07
  can still love you despite a difference.
• 1:15:08
  We can still work together for the sake of this nation and God.
• 1:15:13
  Beautiful, very beautiful. I I also marvel at the fact that
• 1:15:17
  it was your faith and your respect for the sacredness of
• 1:15:20
  life that made you decide I'm not going to do anything to
• 1:15:23
  endanger babies in the womb in my research and that led you to
• 1:15:28
  discover using the placenta and then invent that solution.
• 1:15:32
  So it was like that by following God's law.
• 1:15:36
  It was the doors that he would open for you.
• 1:15:38
  I have to ask the Doctor Wang, how did your parents, what do
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  you, what did your parents think of all the incredible things
• 1:15:44
  that you accomplished? They are very happy that I was
• 1:15:48
  able to, you know, build a life and I get to do what I want to
• 1:15:56
  do, which is these two areas, medical innovation to help long
• 1:16:01
  orphan children and also the common ground seeking.
• 1:16:07
  They are very grateful to see the positive impact of faith.
• 1:16:11
  And to me, I found that science is necessary that because they
• 1:16:18
  give us the tools, but it's not sufficient to have an update in
• 1:16:23
  life in order to have uplifting life, you need the science is
• 1:16:28
  necessary, but you need faith in Christ because they give us the
• 1:16:32
  purpose. What I'm going to use the tools
• 1:16:34
  for. You know, people say what I
• 1:16:37
  don't know what the God's purpose for me.
• 1:16:38
  I say, well, it depends what you do, right?
• 1:16:40
  You may be a civil engineer, you may be ACPA or real estate.
• 1:16:45
  God will give you different purpose for me.
• 1:16:48
  His purpose for me is to use what I learned to help those who
• 1:16:53
  need the most help with your blind orphan children.
• 1:16:55
  I you know how many years I went to school?
• 1:16:57
  How? Many. 31 years wow, including
• 1:17:01
  elementary school, but starting freshman college. 20 years wow
• 1:17:05
  because I got 2 doctor degrees and stuff.
• 1:17:06
  I, I felt like I studied, was studying forever.
• 1:17:09
  But I feel God want me to use the hard earned skill, medical
• 1:17:13
  skill, learn not only just studying hard, but also I have
• 1:17:16
  to go through the cultural illusion to, to have an
• 1:17:18
  opportunity to fall, to have opportunity to study, to help
• 1:17:23
  those who need the most help. Was your dad ever able to visit
• 1:17:26
  you here in the United? States they My parents both
• 1:17:28
  came. Yeah, they came in their mid
• 1:17:31
  60s. Did he say anything to you?
• 1:17:34
  I show him the movie because it's not that wow.
• 1:17:36
  And I show I said that your son not only is scientists that
• 1:17:40
  become a believer, also he did not turn up to be too bad,
• 1:17:43
  right? What did he say?
• 1:17:44
  Yeah, I think he before he passed away, he saw the positive
• 1:17:51
  effect of faith because life is not complete.
• 1:17:56
  Life will be without purpose if one does not have faith.
• 1:18:00
  He must have been very proud of you.
• 1:18:03
  Asian parents, they usually can say, oh, you could do better.
• 1:18:06
  You know this and that, you know that's their.
• 1:18:08
  You only helped 1,000,000 millions of people.
• 1:18:10
  Why not millions of people? That is too funny.
• 1:18:14
  Amazing Doctor Wang, it's such a gift to get to talk to you
• 1:18:17
  truly. How can people find your work
• 1:18:19
  and how can they watch site and read your book?
• 1:18:22
  Yeah, I think from the foundation standpoint, we would
• 1:18:28
  love to know more, more, but I'm often judging.
• 1:18:30
  We can help. And so anybody who identify some
• 1:18:34
  missionary work and stuff, let us know by visiting
• 1:18:38
  winefoundation.com. You see all the information how
• 1:18:41
  we help these kids. We'll put the link to the
• 1:18:43
  foundation and the description for people too.
• 1:18:45
  Yes, and if they're interested in the book or the proceeds, the
• 1:18:48
  book goes to the foundation, they can visit
• 1:18:50
  theirwinefoundation.com to donate the book and all the
• 1:18:53
  donation goes to the non medical aspect of care for these kids.
• 1:18:57
  And 2nd, if a patient or people have patients there who are
• 1:19:01
  interested in the larger theme of the movie site, which is
• 1:19:05
  movie that bringing sight to America, in this case, an
• 1:19:12
  emotional sight, a physical sight.
• 1:19:15
  It's it's a spiritual sight beyond physical sight.
• 1:19:18
  That is, we're living in a great country.
• 1:19:21
  We need to, for the sake of humanity, for the sake of this
• 1:19:25
  country, to be able to not so much fix it on differences, but
• 1:19:30
  rather appreciate what we all have in common as fellow
• 1:19:34
  Americans. And for all the believers out
• 1:19:36
  there, doesn't matter you're Republican, Democrats or black,
• 1:19:39
  Asian or Latino, we all have the ultimate common ground, which is
• 1:19:43
  Jesus Christ. You know, we need to recognize
• 1:19:47
  the way to appreciate America is not something we just sing the
• 1:19:50
  national anthem. It's about doing what is truly
• 1:19:55
  proved. We love this country, which is
• 1:19:57
  are we willing to work together once again to rebuild America
• 1:20:02
  again? And for the young people,
• 1:20:05
  students out there studying science and technology, I want
• 1:20:08
  to say that science is necessary.
• 1:20:11
  You need to amass to the Chat GPTAI, but it's not sufficient
• 1:20:14
  because it will not give you a purpose.
• 1:20:16
  You need to believe in Christ. And in fact, God wants science
• 1:20:19
  and faith to work together, you know, and I think by bringing in
• 1:20:23
  this common ground, science and faith will bring more people
• 1:20:26
  back to the faith camp to recognize you need a science,
• 1:20:29
  but you need to faith more to guide the scientific research.
• 1:20:32
  And finally, for anybody who wants to see the film site give
• 1:20:36
  America New Vision, they can visit andrew.com, which you
• 1:20:39
  distribute, Andrew Studio, which you distribute the chosen Bible
• 1:20:43
  stories. And also by visiting our
• 1:20:46
  website, we actually have a free link right now.
• 1:20:49
  It's called site dot dot meone.com and they can watch the
• 1:20:52
  film site. More people watch the film, more
• 1:20:56
  people will be aware of the Foundation's work so that we can
• 1:21:00
  help more blind orphan children so Foundation can help.
• 1:21:03
  As I said, it does not require more new research with existing
• 1:21:07
  research already done. It's about the delivery of the
• 1:21:11
  already available technology to the people who need the most,
• 1:21:14
  but yet has the least ability to afford it.
• 1:21:17
  Amazing. Doctor Wang, thank you so much
• 1:21:20
  for your incredible work. It's truly an honor to get to
• 1:21:22
  talk to you and thank you for your inspiration.
• 1:21:24
  Thank you. Thank you for the opportunity.
• 1:21:25
  It's amazing. Thank you.
• 1:21:28
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• 1:21:29
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