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E213: Doctor Blows Whistle On Child Transgender Surgeries w/Dr Haim · The Lila Rose Show

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  I served as anonymous whistleblower in a story that
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  revealed Texas Children's Hospital, which is the largest
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  Children's Hospital in the world, was lying about the
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  existence of their transgender program.
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  These things happened in Washington or in New York or
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  California, but like no way in hell did I think it was
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  happening in Texas. How old were these?
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  Children that they would be giving the puberty blockers to.
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  11 years old. It's like having a million
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  microsurgeries on every single cell in your body.
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  On the day of my graduation from surgical training, one of the
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  most important days of my life, 2 armed federal agents show up
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  to my door like 3 hours before the ceremony.
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  That's when I knew that things were getting serious.
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  Just a few weeks ago, the US House of Representatives held a
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  hearing to discuss law fair against those that were
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  whistleblowers exposing harm to children.
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  Today on this episode of The Lila.
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  Rose show we are. Talking with Doctor Eitan Heim,
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  Dr. Heim shares his incredible story of the subsequent law fair
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  that he endured at the hands of the Biden administration,
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  including federal agents being sent to his door and AUS
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  prosecutor even threatening his wife.
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  In this exclusive interview with Doctor Heim, we discussed the
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  current status of his case. We discussed what actually
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  happened to Doctor Heim, what he exposed, what he did as a
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  whistleblower, and then the blowback he received from the
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  federal government. And we explore the incredibly
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  important topic of what happens when a government becomes so
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  powerful that it can use its corruption against everyday
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  American citizens. I hope you enjoy this incredibly
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  Show her Heim. Welcome to the podcast.
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  Privilege to be here. It's a privilege to have you on.
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  I know we've wanted you on for some time and your story is very
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  shocking, quite frankly, but also inspiring how you've
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  handled what you've had to deal with.
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  So thank you first for your courage and standing up for the
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  protection of children, even when it costs you.
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  It has cost you so very much. Yeah, I mean, it's I felt like I
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  couldn't live with myself if I didn't do it so.
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  Well, first of all, for those who are not yet familiar with
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  your story and with you, can you give us a little bit of your
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  background? Yeah, so you know.
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  I'm a general surgeon. I had done my training in
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  general surgery at Baylor College Medicine in Houston, TX
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  between 2018 and 2023. And it was during that time that
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  I served as the anonymous whistleblower in a story that
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  revealed Texas Children's Hospital, which is the largest
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  Children's Hospital in the world, was lying about the
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  existence of their transgender program.
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  And the way that Texas Children's TCH plays into it is
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  that, you know, that's it's the primary affiliate of Baylor
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  College of Medicine, kind of like Harvard is to Boston
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  Children's as part of the academic consortium.
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  And in March of 2022, the hospital had released a
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  statement saying that they're going to shut down the program
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  because of the potential criminal ramifications.
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  That last part is important, right?
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  They said it was potential criminal ramifications.
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  And that was in response to the attorney general of Texas saying
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  that these transgender interventions on kids could
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  constitute criminal child abuse. So it kind of makes sense why
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  the hospital. Was released that statement, you
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  know, a few weeks later. But, you know, I was working
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  there, right? Yeah.
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  And, and I knew what they said was a lie because the people who
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  are doing these surgeries told me they were doing them.
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  And over the next couple of months, I found out that not
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  only was this continuing, right? They told the public one thing
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  and then, you know, they simply took the sign off the door, but
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  they expanded it into a multidisciplinary clinic, right?
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  So this was like a hospital wide priority.
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  Probably like over 1000 people knew there were multiple
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  specialties involved. They were integrating the
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  algorithms into every single specialty from primary care to
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  psychiatry to endocrinology of social work, all the way up to
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  surgery. And this was something that was
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  even built into their EMR. But what makes it so crazy is
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  there was no public interface. Like the clinic didn't even have
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  a website, which is very atypical.
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  So it goes to show that obviously they were trying to
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  hide it. So I knew I had to do something
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  about it. So I blew the whistle with
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  Christopher Ruffo anonymously in on May 16th, 2023, right?
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  So almost a year after I found out and and you know, within 24
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  hours, Texas passed the law. Doctor Heim, really quick before
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  we get to what happened after you blew the whistle, which is
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  just incredible that you did that because I know there was so
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  much on this at stake for you. Just for folks clarity, what
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  when you say that they were doing, you know, Texas
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  Children's Hospital was doing these, you know, sex change
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  surgeries as an example, what exactly were they doing?
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  And you know, I know hormone blocker, puberty blockers is a
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  part of that. But can you just walk us through
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  quickly what exactly TCH was doing with regard to transgender
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  care? Yeah, so they had.
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  Every step away from taking children who believed they were
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  the opposite sex. Or, you know, one of the kind of
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  made-up sexes in between and then plugging them into the
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  clinic where they would get started on puber blockers at
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  Tanner stage 2, which is before the onset of puberty
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  development, right before the onset of secondary sexual
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  characteristics like breasts, or you know, like, like pubic, like
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  hair growth, and then then after that.
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  How old were these children that they would be putting the the
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  puberty blockers, giving the puberty blockers to?
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  11 years old was the youngest I've seen.
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  Yeah. And, and important to know that
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  these blockers are just as severe, if not more severe than
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  the most radical surgeries because it's like having a
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  million microsurgeries on every single cell in your body.
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  And they do it. You know the effects.
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  These hormones and medications have is to change almost every
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  single natural physiological structure in your body because,
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  you know, there's no surgery in the world that can deprive your
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  brain of the hormones necessary to become an adult or, you know,
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  make your bones as as brittle as like an old, you know, old
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  woman, you know, and, and that's what they're doing to these kids
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  starting at the age of 11 years old.
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  So just to be clear for folks listening, what are the
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  consequences, the potential risks of starting to take
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  puberty blockers at 11 years old?
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  A good way to initially put it is so.
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  These are the same. Medications they use for
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  advanced prostate cancer, Lupron, right?
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  Because it castrates the hormones from an individual's
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  body, right? It like shuts the whole system
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  off. And a lot of these older men
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  can't tolerate it. Because they have such severe.
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  Mental responses to it, you know, they get depressed, they
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  lose all their energy, they go into menopause, they have hot
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  flashes. They can only do it for a couple
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  of months before they can't tolerate it.
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  And they're doing this 11 year kids who are 11 years old.
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  But it goes. It's more than that when you do
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  it to a kid because what happens is they essentially do not go
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  through puberty. So #1 Most importantly, you will
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  sterilize them because you don't undergo the exposure to the
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  hormones that allow the maturation from immature sperm
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  to mature sperm or immature eggs to mature eggs.
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  So if you never undergo that process, you never develop the
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  cellular architecture necessary for fertilization, right?
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  And then you can also develop like in, in boys, you know, a
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  permanent micropenis, like in the case of Jazz Jennings,
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  right? Because his puberty was blocked,
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  he never underwent a, the growth of his sexual organs, right?
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  So you have, you know, adult men who have permanently arrested,
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  you know, sexual anatomy. And the moment that's arrested
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  is when they're 11 years old. It's devastating.
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  Was the hospital, in addition to the puberty blockers, where
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  they're doing any other sorts of, as they would probably call
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  them, treatments or children who struggled with gender dysphoria?
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  So as, as far as I know, it went only as far to the surgical
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  implantation of PV blockers. And you know, it's important to
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  know, you know, because a lot of times they do injections in a
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  clinic for PV blockers, right? You know, you can do it two
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  different ways. But the children who need
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  surgery are the ones who have psychiatric comorbidities and
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  won't be able to tolerate an injection in a clinic.
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  Because remember, these are like, really young kids, not
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  like an adult who can, like, tolerate an injection.
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  So kids with autism who have severe trauma who will
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  completely flip out at the sight of a needle, you have to put
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  them on your anesthesia, right? You know, you have to open up
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  their arm. You have to implant this
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  blocker. And it's not the implantation
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  that's difficult part. It's fishing that thing out a
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  year later, you know, and I've done that for kids with
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  precocious puberty, right? And actual disease.
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  It's not like that easy. I actually just got done doing a
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  similar procedure on someone, you know, with a piece of metal
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  in his arm. You know it's not.
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  It's not that easy. So when you were discovering
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  that this was happening even after Texas had made it illegal,
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  ultimately, what were you mentioned Christopher Ruffo, the
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  investigative journalist. Tell me about the next steps of
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  what you when you found out, what gave you the courage, quite
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  frankly the impetus to be a whistleblower?
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  And then what are what those steps look like?
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  So. You know, when I first heard it,
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  I actually didn't believe it because one of my colleagues,
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  like one of my Co residents came up to me.
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  He's like a Tom, like, you know, listen to this.
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  You know, I just did the surgery on this 11 year old girl who
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  believe, who believes she's a boy.
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  And we implanted A purely blocking device.
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  And I was like, man, like that's crazy.
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  This was in like mid 2022 when like the whole world was kind of
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  waking up to all of this madness.
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  And I thought it was really odd because like these things happen
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  in Washington or New York or California, but like no way in
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  hell did I think it was happening in Texas and
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  definitely not at Texas Children's House.
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  Children's House, but I had no idea there was a program right
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  and so. But what he was?
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  Really concerned about the Co resident who told me is that on
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  the day of surgery they have to do like a history and physical
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  right and they usually get that history and physical from the
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  clinic visit like a few weeks before.
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  In that note, it said this child right believed she was a boy,
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  right? For sure, definitely that she
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  definitely did not want to have children ever in her life and
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  she was positive she wanted to commit to the more radical
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  surgeries as she got older. But then not only it was both of
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  her parents transgender, but also every single one of this
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  girl's siblings. So to any doctor, right, that
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  raises immediate red flags that this child is being abused.
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  And the reason this this resident told me this is
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  because, you know, they were shocked, right?
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  They couldn't believe it. And like, I didn't believe it.
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  I didn't believe it for months. It was only in the next couple
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  of months, you know, at the mid to late 2022 that like more
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  people started telling me the kids were getting younger and
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  younger. The stores were getting crazier
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  and crazier. But it was.
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  But I still didn't believe it, right?
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  Because you have the biggest Children's Hospital in the world
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  lying about something like this, like, not possible.
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  I just didn't think it was real. But it was in January of 2023
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  that the directors of the program that supposedly didn't
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  exist, right? The transgender clinic were
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  speaking at the hospital's most prestigious lecture series.
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  It's called Grand Rounds. And if they're speaking at that
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  lecture series, that means this is a hospital wide priority.
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  And they had laid out all these algorithms, right?
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  Everyone in the Department of Pediatrics, the largest
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  department of Pediatrics in the world, right?
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  You know which. Plays a role in setting the
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  guidelines for the rest of the country, right?
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  They're all attending this lecture and they're talking
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  about everything and it's completely insane.
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  And I see it. I'm like, all right, this is
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  it's too much. It's obviously real.
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  The program, they're obviously lying about it.
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  So I know it's going on. So if I don't do something about
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  it, like how can I ever call myself a doctor, right?
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  So like my wife and I had just gotten married a few months
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  before in August of 2022. And and we thought to ourselves,
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  like, we're going to bring children into this world.
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  Like, you know, what would my children think if, you know, I
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  didn't do something about it, right?
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  So I knew I had to and, and no matter what the risks were.
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  So I started reaching out to journalists in January of 2023,
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  and most journalists either didn't believe me or the story
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  was just too inflammatory for them to take it.
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  And I, you know, I can't. Really blame them because you
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  know, it's kind of an unbelievable story.
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  But then at the perfect possible moment, I got in touch with
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  Christopher Ruffo. Like kind of mid-May 2023.
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  And, and, and just to catch people up until this moment, how
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  many years have you been practicing as a doctor?
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  And also, I, I wanted to ask this earlier too, but I, I, I'm
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  sorry, I'm waiting till now to ask it, but why did you become a
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  doctor? What was it that was motivating
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  you to get involved with medicine?
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  Yeah, so my, I grew up in Florida and you know, like the
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  most average, like Florida kid you can imagine.
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  But my, my dad's a doctor. He's a pulmonary critical care.
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  And I remember, you know, we would go out to like the mall or
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  a supermarket and, you know, we would run into his patients who
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  he would take care of in the hospital and they would come up
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  to him and just like thank him like, you know, like, oh, Doctor
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  Heim, like thank you for saving my life or thank you for saving
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  my, my wife or my husband or my son.
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  And. It was like this.
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  Relationship between my dad and these people who have never met
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  and they would like, it was like they had the this whole
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  different level of gratitude and I thought, man, like what a cool
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  thing because my dad's kind of like.
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  A a goofy. Jewish guy, right?
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  He's like, not the coolest guy in the world, but like in the
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  hospital, you know, I've worked with him.
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  I shadowed him during medical school.
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  He's like the fawns. He's like the coolest guy in the
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  world. And it's because he can do these
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  amazing things. He can like save these people.
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  So, you know, I saw how much my dad like the profession.
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  That's my dad. So it's like, I always want the
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  same thing, he always told me. It's like you have to take care
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  of your profession. No matter what, you have to take
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  care of it. Even when it's a hard thing to
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  do. So how many years had you been
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  practicing as a doctor when this big moment came that you finally
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  connected with the investigative journalist Christopher Rufo that
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  was going to finally break the story?
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  So at that point is my fourth year in residency.
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  So I had been practicing, as you know, training, practicing as a
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  surgeon for four years. And I had broken the story like
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  I was the anonymous whistleblower during my fifth
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  year, my last year in surgical training, 2023.
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  Were you worried, and I'm obviously want to talk about
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  what happened, the aftermath of, of you blowing the whistle on
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  these, you know, the heinous operations at the Children's
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  Hospital. But when you were going into
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  that, about to break that story with Christopher, were you
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  worried that this might be the last time I'm going to get a
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  job? I mean, what was what did the
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  calculation look like for you in terms of what you thought
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  thought this might duty or future ability to practice
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  medicine? Yeah, I think there's kind of
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  like a like a two kind of components to it, right.
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  We knew that, you know, because I had to make the decision with
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  my wife. It was like a thing both of us
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  had like so and plus my wife is an attorney, right?
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  She's at, she was actually a federal prosecutor.
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  But for me and both of us, I knew that what was what I was
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  worried more about was not doing, was not acting because I
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  knew I would have to live with that for the rest of my life.
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  So whatever would come afterwards, it didn't matter,
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  right? Like, like, whatever the
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  consequences would be, they would be worth it because this
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  was the right thing to do no matter what.
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  You know, it's my responsibility as a doctor.
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  But then also I was, you know, I always knew something to happen
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  because it was the middle of the the Biden regime, right?
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  I, he had been weaponizing his authority for years at that
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  point. But since my wife is an
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  attorney, she's brilliant, right?
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  Like we looked at everything that I was doing, like I was
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  working at the hospital. There was nothing I had provided
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  to Chris Ruffo that could ever be considered a violation of
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  HIPAA. It was de identified hospital
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  data, right? The same thing that hospitals
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  released to news organizations about like infectious disease
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  outbreaks, right? All the time.
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  So, like, nothing could constitute a legal violation.
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  So, you know, it's like, all right, we'll do it.
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  And then so that was the calculation.
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  But I never had thought in a million years you know what
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  would happen after, how far it would get.
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  All right, so tell us the the events of what happened next.
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  Christopher Rufo breaks the story.
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  Were you listed in the story by name?
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  And then what were the consequences?
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  Yeah. So the story came out May 16th,
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  2023. I was the anonymous
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  whistleblower. I just had provided
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  documentation that showed without a doubt that Texas
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  Children's was lying about their transgender program.
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  And then the story was released May 16th.
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  And then on May 17th, the Texas Senate voted to pass into law a
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  bill that would make these transgender interventions on
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  children illegal. And it was passed with
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  bipartisan support partially in response to our story coming out
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  the day before. So within 24 hours, the conduct
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  we exposed was made illegal. And then on May 19th, the AG
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  announces an investigation into the hospital.
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  And then on May 23rd, another whistleblower comes out who
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  works inside the clinic. And and this nurse tells a story
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  about the horror going on behind closed doors.
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  And then on May 28th, I believe, the CEO of the hospital says
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  he's going to shut down the program for good.
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  So at that point, like, no one knew who I was, right?
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  I was like, all right, I'm done. You know, this is the end of it.
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  I just go on with my life. Yeah, I was.
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  And I was graduating the next month in June from my surgical
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  training. I had a job lined up where I I'm
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  at currently. So I was just going to move on
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  with my life. But then on June 23rd, 2023,
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  like, you know, a little bit over a month after the story
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  came out, on the day of my graduation from surgical
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  training, right, one of the most important days of my life, 2
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  armed federal agents with Health and Human Services show up to my
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  door like 3 hours before the ceremony, right?
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  About right before I'm about to meet with my parents.
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  them because she's an attorney. But they gave me a target
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  That is so wild. And so they're they're armed
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  federal agents at your door to give you a notice that you're
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  under criminal investigation by the DOJ and you're like getting
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  ready to go out from, you know, get get graduated and go out for
• 21:44
  lunch. What what I mean, thank goodness
• 21:47
  that your wife is a federal. You said she's a federal
• 21:49
  prosecutor. Did I hear that right?
• 21:52
  That's that's a pretty. Federal.
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  Prosecutor at the. Time.
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  Yeah, OK. I mean, that's pretty
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  providential because, you know, that sounds like an intimidation
• 22:02
  tactic to me. Oh yeah, and.
• 22:04
  That's only just the beginning. I mean, the whole my wife being
• 22:07
  a federal prosecutor plays a big role in what happened like the
• 22:09
  next month. OK, so tell us what happens
• 22:12
  next. Yeah.
• 22:13
  So, you know, we go to the graduation, you know, we knew we
• 22:16
  had to fight back. So we go, we have the best time
• 22:20
  we can possibly have, you know, given the circumstances.
• 22:23
  We get in touch with a really amazing legal team and we reach
• 22:27
  out to Tina Ansari, the federal prosecutor.
• 22:31
  Who hadn't sent the agents to my home?
• 22:33
  So you know the. First thing we had to do was my
• 22:36
  and I was still anonymous at the time and I stayed anonymous for
• 22:39
  the next 6 months. But my attorneys reach out to
• 22:42
  Tina Ansari and, you know, because they wanted to have a
• 22:46
  conversation to discuss what was going on.
• 22:49
  And after a Tina Ansari misses a couple of meetings, right?
• 22:53
  And the whole reason was to like drive up legal bills for me,
• 22:56
  right? During the first conversation,
• 22:59
  we, you know, my attorneys find out and we find out that this
• 23:02
  lady, Tina Ansari is a complete lunatic, right?
• 23:06
  She tells my attorneys on that first phone call.
• 23:08
  And all of this is outlined in a letter my attorney sent to
• 23:11
  Congress. So it's not just me saying this,
• 23:13
  this is like, like documented. It's in Congressional Record,
• 23:19
  the first conversation in July of 2023, a month after agents
• 23:22
  were sent to my home. She admits to my attorneys that
• 23:26
  she never even reviewed the evidence before sending agents
• 23:29
  my home. She had no idea what she was
• 23:31
  investigating, right? She thought I had released
• 23:34
  patient names, which if you just looked at the information, you
• 23:36
  would know it's completely untrue.
• 23:38
  But during that first phone call, too, even though she
• 23:42
  didn't do any research into what she was investigating, she did
• 23:46
  enough research to find out my wife had just been hired as a
• 23:50
  federal prosecutor and tells my attorneys that, you know,
• 23:53
  Andrea, my wife. Isn't going to have any problems
• 23:56
  with her background check unless she continues to become
• 24:00
  difficult, right? And.
• 24:02
  What what she was referring and and that's quoted.
• 24:04
  In the letter and what she was. Referring to is right if if we
• 24:08
  start causing problems, she's going to go to the US.
• 24:10
  Attorney in Dallas, right where my wife was just hired and and
• 24:15
  maybe introduce some problems. So like we were being
• 24:19
  blackmailed, right, both on the day of my graduation and my
• 24:22
  wife's just being hired at this position.
• 24:25
  She was using the value of our greatest accomplishments as the
• 24:29
  means to like to obtain like our compliance with with this
• 24:34
  corrupt investigation, like it was her means of extortion.
• 24:38
  And you know, it was, it was completely insane.
• 24:43
  So were the charges. That is insane.
• 24:45
  Were the charges that you had released you had violated HIPAA?
• 24:48
  That you had released patient names even though there was 0
• 24:51
  evidence for that and it's simply not true?
• 24:53
  Was that what this entire thing was based on in the end?
• 24:56
  Yeah, yeah. So during this point in July
• 25:00
  2023 and over the next really six months, my attorneys have a
• 25:07
  couple conversations with Tina Ansari, No charges yet.
• 25:12
  And you know, they kind of go back and forth and every single
• 25:15
  call gets worse and worse. You know, she just wanted me to
• 25:18
  plead at something to apologize. They wanted to make me into to
• 25:24
  just just make me to into an example, right?
• 25:27
  They were trying to intimidate me.
• 25:29
  There was one phone call in October of 2023 that she said
• 25:33
  she was going to take me to a jury trial, even if she was
• 25:36
  going to lose, even on technicality, right?
• 25:39
  And it was at that point that I knew I had to take this story
• 25:42
  public, right? And that's why I took the story
• 25:45
  public in January of 2024. But the charges only came until
• 25:50
  June of that year, so six months after.
• 25:54
  And the charges were really remarkable because the evolution
• 26:00
  of the charges are really what reveals the true nature of this
• 26:04
  indictment. Because when you look at the the
• 26:07
  first indictment, they had charged me with disclosure of
• 26:10
  patient information in order to harm patients, right?
• 26:15
  Classic HIPAA statute, right? You know, this statement goes
• 26:19
  out into, you know, on the DO JS website, which accuses me of all
• 26:25
  these things where they're, you know, they're they're claiming I
• 26:28
  disclosed patient information and I was harming patients and,
• 26:33
  you know, makes me look really. Really bad.
• 26:34
  And of course these big liberal outlets have, you know, like
• 26:40
  kind of latch on to this and, you know, it's makes me look
• 26:44
  very bad. But like when we get the
• 26:46
  indictment, I read it and I knew every single thing they accused
• 26:51
  me of was completely false. It only took us a few weeks to
• 26:55
  prove that What the. DOJ was charged me with in.
• 27:00
  Their first indictment was completely disproven by the
• 27:04
  DOJ's own evidence, so there is worth restating.
• 27:09
  The evidence they gave us in discovery disproved all of their
• 27:12
  allegations, right? So which means they either never
• 27:16
  looked at their evidence or they intentionally ignored it.
• 27:20
  I believe the latter is more likely.
• 27:22
  So the first indictment falls apart, and then over the next
• 27:26
  couple of months, the true nature of their prosecution
• 27:29
  really reveals itself. I mean, it sounds such a like a
• 27:34
  died in the roll case of law fair.
• 27:36
  I mean, they're literally using the weaponizing the DOJ in the
• 27:39
  system against you and and for what, right.
• 27:42
  I mean, this was, like you said, the Biden administration, and I
• 27:45
  want to get to the politics of it more in a minute.
• 27:48
  But just to be clear about what you guys were experiencing
• 27:50
  during this time, what kind of cost did this have for you and
• 27:55
  your wife? Do you now have to hire a legal
• 27:57
  team, start to deal with a criminal investigation and now a
• 28:00
  trial against yourself? Yeah.
• 28:03
  So we, you know, at the very beginning when the agents first
• 28:07
  came to my home on the day of my graduation, you know, both my
• 28:11
  wife and I are very like, we don't really spend a lot of
• 28:13
  money. We had saved up like $250,000.
• 28:17
  We were hoping to like buy a home and kind of, you know,
• 28:19
  create a future for ourselves. We had blown through all of that
• 28:23
  in like 3 months, four months, right?
• 28:26
  And, or, and that's how expensive these things get.
• 28:29
  So by the time I took my story public in January of 2024, we
• 28:34
  had like maybe a couple $100 for our name, nothing, zero.
• 28:39
  And we knew that like Ansari told us that she was going to
• 28:42
  take me to trial and like, so I knew I had to do something.
• 28:47
  And when the indictment first came out, you know, it's like
• 28:50
  the amount of legal cost, this can be 10s of thousands of
• 28:54
  dollars every single day. So the total cost was probably a
• 28:58
  little bit over $2,000,000 and we had raised $1.3 million, you
• 29:04
  know, so we're still like far in the holy.
• 29:06
  I mean, we still, we're still like totally broke.
• 29:08
  You know, we have like $4000 and, you know, is an attorney
• 29:13
  and a surgeon, right? So yeah, that's, we're pretty
• 29:16
  broke. But, and, and during those first
• 29:19
  couple months, just an unimaginable amount of of fear
• 29:23
  about like, like art, is it even possible that we can win this?
• 29:29
  Because the DOJ just proved to be completely persistent.
• 29:33
  Even after all of their arguments failed, they just kept
• 29:35
  on going. Like after we lost all of our
• 29:38
  money, you know, like we, there was a certain point where like
• 29:43
  we had no resources left. We were running on completely
• 29:45
  empty. I mean, it's terrifying too that
• 29:47
  what you experienced could under a corrupt government happened to
• 29:52
  anyone because you are in the, you know, the crosshairs of
• 29:55
  their ideology. You know, the you were standing
• 29:58
  against their ideology. What was going on?
• 30:00
  If you can speak to the agenda at that time of the Biden
• 30:04
  administration, like give us a little bit of memory lane here
• 30:07
  in terms of what the what kind of political powers you were up
• 30:11
  against and the ideologies that you were up against.
• 30:13
  Yeah. So just to cut us off, a couple
• 30:16
  things, you know, a couple of days after the agents were sent
• 30:21
  to my home, initially find out that they had got warrant for my
• 30:25
  emails from my phone for everything.
• 30:27
  So they were like surrounding me, listening to everything.
• 30:31
  You know, someone had started posting these reviews about me
• 30:35
  online, right? Accusing me of abusing, sexually
• 30:39
  abusing patients behind closed doors, like in clinic, like in
• 30:42
  clinics and like in mulating patients.
• 30:45
  And I know, we know now that that came from TCH.
• 30:48
  And so the government had leaked my name to them.
• 30:50
  You know, the person who did this had admitted to to an FBI
• 30:55
  agent. We have that in discovery.
• 30:57
  We know that for a fact, right? And the day after I was
• 31:01
  indicted, the FBI and like the DOJ, had issued this guidance on
• 31:09
  targeting. Whistleblowers or like, you
• 31:11
  know, people who challenge. The transgender interventions in
• 31:14
  hospitals. HHS, the director of the Office
• 31:19
  of Civil Rights, had mentioned my case specifically and you
• 31:22
  know, they, they had been behind targeting me.
• 31:25
  You know, we were up against. These most powerful
• 31:28
  organizations in human history, right, with the, the most
• 31:32
  powerful law enforcement agencies, the most powerful
• 31:36
  propaganda machine, the greatest amount of resources.
• 31:41
  And then it was us. It was like me, my wife and my
• 31:45
  attorneys and we had just, we had our first baby during all of
• 31:50
  this. In the middle of all of it, my
• 31:51
  wife had an emergency C-section, you know, and, and, and you
• 31:57
  know, even I had to leave like an hour after the baby was born
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  while my wife is in post op at the hospital I work at here
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  because I had to go to court the next day.
• 32:08
  And you know, it's like, that's what we're up against.
• 32:10
  It was it in, but it wasn't only like the prosecutors, it was the
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  us up, tell us how this concluded, right?
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  And then tell us if there have been any opportunities for a, a
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  legal response that you could levy against what is a clear
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  abuse of the legal system by the DOJ and by this particular
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  prosecutor. The, the story of how it ends is
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  really remarkable and, and really kind of that provides
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  insight into what this case was all about.
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  So it's worth going into a little bit.
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  But it's so the first indictment falls apart, right, Because the,
• 34:00
  everything they accused me of was completely fabricated.
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  The DOJ even acknowledged that what they accused me of, they
• 34:08
  present false information to a grand jury.
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  So they get a second indictment, but they make a couple of
• 34:13
  significant changes. You know, they change the word
• 34:16
  disclose, which is like the the Opry of language of HIPAA right
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  to use. So they're not saying I
• 34:24
  disclosed anything. They were saying I used it.
• 34:26
  The problem with use is that use is not a crime.
• 34:29
  That's not even in the criminal statute, right?
• 34:31
  There's a really, really big. Deal.
• 34:34
  They also changed the victims, which is very, very important.
• 34:39
  In the first indictment, it was TCHS patients, right?
• 34:42
  Makes sense, right? With HIPAA, it's patient
• 34:45
  privacy, like you release information to harm patients in
• 34:48
  the second indictment, its TCH and its physicians.
• 34:52
  So it was the first time in American history that HIPAA was
• 34:55
  being used to not protect patient privacy, but rather
• 34:59
  corrupt multibillion dollar hospital systems and the doctors
• 35:02
  who were caught lying to the public.
• 35:04
  Right. So, you know, we go through some
• 35:08
  legal battles for the second indictment and the second
• 35:11
  indictment was dead in the water because they also included, they
• 35:15
  forgot to proofread their indictment.
• 35:18
  Instead of subchapter XI, they wrote subchapter XL.
• 35:23
  The problem is subtractor XL doesn't exist.
• 35:25
  So it's legally like non binding, right?
• 35:28
  It's wild. So at the same time, too, right,
• 35:32
  the victims are TCH physicians, Baylor College of Medicine.
• 35:36
  I find out right through going down like this very, very deep
• 35:40
  rabbit hole that the lead prosecutor, Tina Ansari, who had
• 35:43
  been torturing me and my family for the past year, right, has
• 35:48
  the most significant conflicts of interest with the victims in
• 35:52
  her entitlement, TCH and Baylor College Medicine, right?
• 35:55
  Right after she sent agents to my home, like her brother, who
• 35:58
  owns a coffee company which has contracts with hospitals within
• 36:03
  the academic consortium, right? He starts going to major
• 36:07
  fundraisers with the president of TCH, right?
• 36:09
  Her uncle was formerly on the board of TCH.
• 36:13
  Her aunt is a major fundraiser for TCH and Baylor College
• 36:17
  Medicine and a prominent Democrat in Houston.
• 36:20
  He ran again. She ran against Dane Crenshaw,
• 36:22
  and she's a radical LGBT and transgender activist.
• 36:25
  And she was appointed to the board of one of the hospitals in
• 36:28
  the academic consortium right after she sent agents to my home
• 36:31
  at the same time as TCHS vice president, general counsel, who
• 36:35
  was at the very first meeting when agents were sent to my
• 36:39
  home. So of course, the we once we
• 36:44
  disclose this to DOJ about these remarkable conflicts of
• 36:50
  interest, she withdraws herself from the case, doesn't say why,
• 36:54
  just withdraws herself from the case.
• 36:57
  And the second time it falls apart, but then they get third
• 37:01
  indictment, right? It couldn't.
• 37:03
  Didn't think it was possible, but they get a. 3rd indictment
• 37:06
  and on the same day as their indictment, they file a motion
• 37:10
  for a gag order, right? And this is for someone who's
• 37:13
  never been recognized publicly, right?
• 37:16
  Like. You know, you gag orders are for
• 37:18
  people who have the ability to like, you know, sway a jury.
• 37:22
  And so, and at that point, we had no money and the judge had
• 37:27
  just threatened we had a hearing for it instead of granting the
• 37:31
  gag order, right? He knew the judge knew if he
• 37:33
  granted it, he would become the laughingstock of like the legal
• 37:36
  world because for someone like me, it's, it's insane to do it.
• 37:41
  He just threatens to send me to jail if I continue to speak out,
• 37:45
  right. And at that point, I had no
• 37:47
  recourse. That was December 3rd, 2024,
• 37:51
  which was the darkest time of the whole thing.
• 37:54
  And over the next, you know, month and a half going up until
• 37:58
  Trump's inauguration, you know, it, it was like the darkest time
• 38:01
  of my entire life because everything I have was taken away
• 38:03
  from me, right? Where like the DOJ was
• 38:06
  escalating the case behind closed doors.
• 38:08
  And the only reason I was able to fight back to raise money for
• 38:11
  a legal defense was by speaking out.
• 38:14
  And that was taken away from me, right?
• 38:16
  So because at that point, I, I didn't have an option but to
• 38:20
  comply because they were going to send me a jail.
• 38:23
  But then after Trump's inauguration, after he signs the
• 38:26
  weaponization executive order, I decided to speak out because
• 38:31
  that's when they really started escalating the case.
• 38:34
  And every day they escalated. That's like 10s of thousands of
• 38:39
  dollars towards this trial. And by that point, I knew the
• 38:42
  judge was so corrupt. He was so in bed with the
• 38:45
  prosecution, right, That if I go to trial, he's going to withdraw
• 38:50
  the, the ability for me to defend myself because he has
• 38:54
  ability to, to preclude me from making a whistleblower defense.
• 38:58
  And, and that's what the DOJ was trying to do.
• 39:00
  So I speak out on January 22nd, 2025, after Trump's
• 39:07
  inauguration. And we got word a day later on
• 39:13
  Thursday, January 23rd, that the judge is going to send me to
• 39:18
  jail the next day, right? He's going to sign an arrest
• 39:20
  warrant. And just just to be clear, what
• 39:23
  was the pretense of this potential arrest warrant for me?
• 39:28
  Yeah. So I, I spoke out on X, right?
• 39:31
  I, I OK, I had not spoken out about the case since the whole
• 39:35
  gag order hearing a month before December 3rd, right?
• 39:40
  Because the judge had. Threatened to send me to jail,
• 39:43
  that's why. So.
• 39:44
  Yeah, so, so and and so. You had.
• 39:46
  You had. Posted on X about what you were
• 39:48
  enduring the law fair against you.
• 39:51
  Exactly. Yeah.
• 39:52
  And so then. And also the and this was the
• 39:55
  way you were also raising money for your legal defense because
• 39:58
  they had basically drained all of your savings.
• 40:00
  So the only way you could hire attorneys to.
• 40:04
  Competently deal with this law fair was to get the public in
• 40:07
  interest involved and they got involved.
• 40:09
  A lot of people were really disturbed by what was happening
• 40:11
  to you. But the judge said you're not
• 40:13
  allowed to do that anymore. And if you do that, you go to
• 40:14
  you go right to jail. I mean, that was the the
• 40:17
  position it's, it's absolutely insane.
• 40:19
  The the DOJ's argument was they were concerned about a cyber
• 40:22
  bullying. No joke.
• 40:23
  That's what they wrote in the motion.
• 40:24
  Against 2. Yeah, yeah.
• 40:26
  Against them, yeah. They were worried that they were
• 40:28
  being cyber bullied. Yeah, so, so, so it was January
• 40:34
  23rd. It was a Thursday, if I remember
• 40:37
  correctly. And after I spoke out the day
• 40:39
  before, because we were calling out to DOJ, the judge, everyone,
• 40:43
  right. It was my first time speaking
• 40:45
  out since the month before that. And we get a call that evening
• 40:50
  from my attorneys. We had heard things were really
• 40:52
  going South, that the judge was very angry.
• 40:54
  But then it was that evening that we hear that, you know, the
• 40:58
  judge is ready to sign a warrant for your arrest the next the
• 41:02
  next day, right? So you can be arrested the next
• 41:04
  day. Also, your trial is going to be
• 41:07
  moved up an entire month. It's going to start on Monday.
• 41:09
  So you're going to be in jail. You're going to go to trial on
• 41:11
  Monday. Unless the only the way, you
• 41:15
  know, I get out of it, right? The deal that was proposed to my
• 41:18
  attorneys and myself is that I have to sign an agreement with
• 41:22
  the DOJ, right? And if I sign that agreement,
• 41:26
  then everything goes away, right?
• 41:29
  So, you know, I I was going to violate that agreement the
• 41:33
  following Monday because I had patients to operate on the next
• 41:37
  day because the agreement said. Oh, yeah, go ahead.
• 41:40
  Yeah. Yeah, the agreement said.
• 41:41
  I I couldn't sue the government. I couldn't disparage the
• 41:45
  government. I couldn't disparage TCH or
• 41:48
  Baylor College of Medicine, but also no one in my family could
• 41:53
  disparage TCH, Baylor College of Medicine or the government
• 41:58
  because my wife had been speaking out at the time after
• 42:00
  the gag order for me. So, but, but signing this deal,
• 42:06
  you know, didn't necessarily guarantee that I wasn't being
• 42:09
  arrested. So I'm like, OK, whatever,
• 42:13
  right, I'll sign this thing. I'm going to violate it on
• 42:16
  Monday. It doesn't matter because it's
• 42:17
  being done under duress. It's completely illegal for a
• 42:20
  judge to threaten the defendant, right to sign an agreement,
• 42:25
  right, in order for the judge to just make a case go away because
• 42:31
  the judge was being embarrassed at the time, right?
• 42:33
  The DOJ was being embarrassed. They just wanted this case to go
• 42:36
  away. So, but that's when that evening
• 42:40
  too, was when every single person I had met over the past
• 42:45
  year through like telling the story to all these different
• 42:48
  people, You know, we, we kind of use all the social capital we
• 42:53
  had. We text every single person we
• 42:55
  we knew. So there was like this flurry of
• 42:58
  activity going on in the background with people trying to
• 43:00
  advocate for us. The only way that agreement
• 43:04
  didn't go into place and I didn't go to jail was if the DOJ
• 43:08
  in DC had issued guidance to the Southern District where the case
• 43:12
  was being tried to drop, if they dropped the case with prejudice,
• 43:16
  right? So, and then the next day, you
• 43:21
  know, I thought I was going to jail, I went and offer in my
• 43:24
  patients, not knowing if I was going to be arrested that day.
• 43:27
  And then, you know, later that day, you know, we find out that
• 43:31
  the case is dismissed with prejudice, that the DOJ actually
• 43:35
  came through and that like, you know, overcoming the greatest
• 43:39
  odds possible. You know, yeah, we spoke out
• 43:42
  against this judge thinking he was going to send us to jail.
• 43:45
  But, you know, we had them backed into a corner and at the
• 43:48
  last possible moment, you know, at facing the greatest odds, you
• 43:52
  know, you know, we get, we, I, I became a free, free man.
• 43:58
  You know, it's amazing. What was the experience like
• 44:03
  when you finally, when you found out that the DOJ again under the
• 44:07
  Trump administration? So this would have you know, who
• 44:11
  knows what would have happened under a Harris administration?
• 44:14
  I I do want to ask you about your theory on that, but what
• 44:17
  was your, what was it like to find out that there have been an
• 44:20
  intervention, that the case was dropped with prejudice and that
• 44:23
  now you would not no longer deal with that law fair anymore?
• 44:27
  Yeah. And and so it was, it was
• 44:29
  remarkable because one of those moments that's like crystallized
• 44:32
  in my mind for the, you know, for the rest of my life.
• 44:34
  Like, I remember where I was standing, what I was wearing,
• 44:36
  like which way I was looking. And, you know, my wife was in
• 44:40
  our living room. I was in our better room talking
• 44:44
  to someone, and I just hear my wife kind of scream.
• 44:47
  And I thought it was either really bad or really good.
• 44:50
  And it's either like, the cops just showed up or like, you
• 44:53
  know, maybe something good happens.
• 44:55
  And she comes in, she's smiling. And I'm like, man, like, that's
• 44:59
  good. That's good news.
• 45:00
  You know, like, this is maybe. And then she tells me that the
• 45:05
  case is dropped. It's dropped with prejudice and
• 45:08
  which means they can never brain again.
• 45:10
  And she was holding our baby, you know?
• 45:14
  And yeah. So it was, it was something
• 45:17
  that, yeah, we just held each other and that was it.
• 45:28
  It was over. It was over at that moment,
• 45:31
  Yeah. Well, I'm so grateful and glad
• 45:35
  that you and are not enduring that.
• 45:38
  I mean, it's, I think it's wild to people listening.
• 45:41
  I'm sure everyone listening is like, you know, it's wild to
• 45:44
  people listening that this could happen in a country that prides
• 45:48
  itself on rule of law and that we have a system that is not,
• 45:52
  you know, some third world corrupt system, but that people
• 45:55
  ultimately operate with justice. I mean, we, we, I think there's
• 45:59
  a sense of safety that many people feel at least to some
• 46:02
  degree. And what you went through is
• 46:04
  absolutely horrific. Do you have a few?
• 46:10
  I mean, there's a few questions. Number one, in the in the
• 46:12
  aftermath, is there a recourse for you now to sue the people
• 46:17
  that did this to you and the harm that they caused you?
• 46:21
  You know, if there's one thing I've discovered during this
• 46:23
  whole process is that the, the, the way the system is now for
• 46:27
  people like me, for like, you know, conservatives, right, who
• 46:32
  get prosecuted by the Department of Justice or even the average
• 46:35
  person, right? The system is designed to
• 46:39
  indemnify and protect the system from any accountability.
• 46:43
  So, you know, for me to go back and sue the government, right,
• 46:49
  for, for any type of violation of their duty, right, for, for
• 46:54
  essentially fabricating a case against me, all their evidence,
• 46:58
  you know, proving I was innocent.
• 47:00
  But somehow they just manufacture the case against me,
• 47:02
  right? Try to send me to prison for 10
• 47:04
  years, right? That they could do this to
• 47:05
  anyone too, or they can manufacture a case against
• 47:08
  anyone. And so if I have to sue the
• 47:12
  government, right, that takes money.
• 47:13
  We have no money, right? And the chance of that winning
• 47:17
  right is very low because, you know, which court does it have
• 47:21
  to go through? It has to go through the court
• 47:23
  that the case was tried in, which was Judge Hidner, the same
• 47:26
  guy who gagged me and was trying to send me to jail, right?
• 47:29
  So no, there's no recourse. I mean, very, it's a lot of
• 47:31
  squeeze, not a lot of juice, right?
• 47:33
  And when you have people like me who have no money, and then also
• 47:36
  it's like, you know, there's not, there's not like on the
• 47:40
  criminal side, there's not like a like a ecosystem on the
• 47:44
  conservative side for organizations to, you know,
• 47:47
  system, you know, like I'm not begrudging.
• 47:49
  It's just a reality. You know, it's like, it is what
• 47:50
  it is. I mean, it's unfortunate, but
• 47:52
  you know, and then you know, so we'll probably be paying legal
• 47:58
  bills with Social Security is what it is.
• 48:02
  If anyone wants to donategivesango.com for I.
• 48:05
  Was going to say we will definitely thank you.
• 48:08
  Yeah, Doctor, we're going to definitely link that.
• 48:09
  I mean, it, it's madness. And and it's also, it is crazy
• 48:13
  to think that we don't have a, you know, pro bono legal groups
• 48:17
  that are lined up to support people who are fighting these
• 48:21
  terrors, quite frankly. I mean, some of it exists, you
• 48:24
  know, for First Amendment, you know, protections, you know,
• 48:27
  groups that are familiar with like Alliance Defending Freedom
• 48:30
  writer Thomas Moore Society that are working on the pro-life
• 48:32
  cause or pro marriage cause, things like that.
• 48:35
  But in terms of this new thing that's just really happened in
• 48:39
  our culture in the last decade or less, where transgender
• 48:43
  ideology has become more mainstream and now you have, you
• 48:46
  know, kids undergoing sex change surgeries.
• 48:48
  Wild, right? Have you been in touch with any
• 48:52
  public interest groups or pro bono legal firms or lawyers that
• 48:57
  have expressed support? You mentioned there doesn't seem
• 49:00
  to be much of an ecosystem in the conservative space.
• 49:02
  What? What have you discovered, if
• 49:03
  anything? Yeah, so Adfi have to say has
• 49:08
  they were with us from the very beginning and, and they were
• 49:10
  able able to help us out at a time when it really mattered.
• 49:16
  And because they're, you know, they're like a civil side.
• 49:20
  They do First Amendment stuff, they do abortion issues, but
• 49:24
  they're not they're not designed like their mandate based on
• 49:27
  their donations and their organization is not made for
• 49:31
  criminal cases. But the people at ADF are such
• 49:34
  good people that they really bent over backwards to help us
• 49:38
  out in the very beginning. But still with that, you know,
• 49:41
  it's, it's and, and they were amazing, but, but it was for,
• 49:46
  for me in this situation, they couldn't have done more because
• 49:49
  like their organization is designed for something else.
• 49:52
  And, and, but they're, they're, they were the ones, the only
• 49:55
  ones who helped us out like, like in terms of financial
• 49:59
  assistance, you know, and, but what I realized is that like
• 50:04
  the, the only people on the conservative side who, you know,
• 50:11
  it, it was the average people who put us through, like we got
• 50:15
  through our case. We raised $1.3 million by 5 and
• 50:18
  $10 donations, right? Like we have big donors.
• 50:22
  I can't tell you at the number of times that I talked to big
• 50:25
  conservative donors, right? They would say all these great
• 50:28
  things, you know, they would say, oh, let's have a dinner.
• 50:30
  You know, we'll help you with, with your, your legal defense
• 50:33
  and, and, you know, whatever. Like I had no, I, I, I expect
• 50:37
  nothing from them, right? Like I had no claim to, to, to
• 50:43
  to their charity, right? None.
• 50:45
  But yeah, especially when they would express certain things to
• 50:48
  me. And then of course, every single
• 50:49
  time the next day, don't even call, don't even respond text
• 50:52
  messages, right? Nothing.
• 50:54
  And that's just how it was for, you know, two years, except for
• 50:57
  a very, very select few. But and and that in compare that
• 51:04
  to the other side, not only like in in my case, like in
• 51:08
  conservative cases in general. And this is a reality, right?
• 51:13
  The big white collar law firms which are critical for white
• 51:16
  collar like criminal defense, like they won't even represent
• 51:19
  me, right? They wouldn't even take my case.
• 51:22
  A bunch of the attorneys, like they wouldn't even think about
• 51:25
  taking my case like it, even if I could pay him, right?
• 51:29
  So if you kill someone like like think about Luigi Mangioni,
• 51:33
  right? You'll have a million law firms
• 51:35
  which are lining up around the block to represent that guy.
• 51:40
  I mean all the biggest law firms in the country and in my.
• 51:43
  Case the big law. Firms actually had actively
• 51:47
  interfered, right, had affected the quality of the defense in my
• 51:53
  case, right by doing certain things.
• 51:55
  I can't necessarily get into the specifics, but these big law
• 51:59
  firms had I played a role in trying to prevent the most
• 52:06
  robust legal defense in my situation.
• 52:09
  Are you saying when you saying there are these kind of white
• 52:11
  collar legal firms that were, you know, potentially would have
• 52:15
  damaged or or were damaging your legal defense, Are you saying
• 52:18
  there were actually some attorneys that you were working
• 52:20
  with that you felt were effectively sabotaging your
• 52:22
  case? Or you're saying you wouldn't
• 52:24
  have trusted them to, you know, give the best case, defend, do
• 52:29
  the best that they could? So the the attorneys I worked
• 52:32
  with were the, it was the greatest legal team in the
• 52:35
  country. I mean, it was like this team
• 52:37
  that was like put together by Providence, like truly.
• 52:40
  But the firms, right? The firms, you know, they can,
• 52:47
  they can do certain things to make sure that certain people
• 52:52
  will do certain things that that might affect the defense, right?
• 52:58
  And that's very terrifying, right?
• 53:01
  Because, you know, these big law firms, they rely on clients
• 53:06
  that, you know, especially these big clients that have
• 53:10
  institutional power, if they know that someone from their
• 53:13
  firms representing someone like me, right, those firms will be
• 53:17
  punished for by these clients. So, yeah, it's, it's it's a
• 53:21
  very, very nefarious process. And and it's, it's not just me.
• 53:27
  I mean, this story is replicated in every other political case
• 53:32
  over the past during the Biden regime.
• 53:37
  It's wild. The funny thing is the other TCH
• 53:39
  whistleblower Vanessa Savage, she actually went story public
• 53:44
  with with a story that is is even more wild the day out.
• 53:50
  You know of my first arraignment and she actually started
• 53:52
  nonprofit. It's called protecting Texas
• 53:55
  children's. I'm on the board of that.
• 53:57
  So I'm, I'm just playing an ancillary role, but I actually
• 53:59
  feel confident, you know, there, there is organizations kind of
• 54:03
  in the development now on the conservative side that I believe
• 54:06
  are going to serve that role. And I, I think ADF, you know, is
• 54:09
  going to move in that direction. You know, America First legal.
• 54:12
  There's a bunch of other ones that are really, really good.
• 54:15
  I mean, because you really do, especially ADF, like they, these
• 54:18
  are, I mean, I really can't say enough about ADF.
• 54:21
  I mean, there, it's like the great, such an amazing.
• 54:23
  Organization I. I I feel confident that them and
• 54:27
  then even like EPPC with Ron Anderson, I don't know if you
• 54:31
  know him. Yes, I mean another amazing
• 54:34
  group, big fan. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 54:37
  I mean, you have these people who like, especially those guys
• 54:40
  like Ron Anderson, he was with us from the very beginning.
• 54:43
  Those guys are amazing. Like there are and then heritage
• 54:46
  to you have people who they understand there's a need and
• 54:51
  they're working. I believe that they're working
• 54:52
  towards that need and there I have enough confidence that the
• 54:57
  right people in the right positions that they'll start
• 54:59
  working towards it. You were just invited to
• 55:02
  Congress, I think last month in in the last month where you gave
• 55:07
  your testimony about what happened and what happened to
• 55:10
  you. Tell me about how that went.
• 55:13
  Yeah, I, I, it was a, it was very, it was probably the most,
• 55:19
  you know, surreal, wild experience of my entire life of,
• 55:24
  of, of a whole series of very surreal and wild experiences
• 55:28
  because, yeah, I was invited to Congress with the weaponization
• 55:32
  committee, Jim Jordan, Chip Roy. And we had a hearing, right,
• 55:38
  like the hearings you see on online and we were telling a
• 55:42
  story about what happened to us. It was me, even a civic other
• 55:47
  whisperer, my attorney Mark Lydell, and it was with the
• 55:51
  Democrats, you know, so it was a very, very contentious.
• 55:53
  I mean, we went to war during that hearing.
• 55:56
  But I'll, I'll tell you what I mean.
• 55:58
  It was one of the greatest times I've ever had in my life because
• 56:00
  going, going up against these Democrats was like playing
• 56:03
  basketball against a bunch of first graders.
• 56:05
  I mean, you know, I, I mean, it was just too easy to to, you
• 56:10
  know, what these people were going to say was so predictable.
• 56:13
  You know, I kind of had prepared like my statement and you know,
• 56:16
  everything and you could. Tell that these.
• 56:19
  People just had no idea what they were talking about.
• 56:22
  But, you know, it was it was a certain degree of vindication
• 56:25
  because, you know, you suffer so much, you just want to be able
• 56:30
  to tell the story, but also confront the people who did this
• 56:34
  and, and the Democrats who sat on that committee, right?
• 56:37
  They were part of it and and it was it was great to go head to
• 56:41
  head with them, but also to tell the story to the Republicans,
• 56:44
  the people who may actually be in a position to do something
• 56:48
  about it. Do you think that there is a
• 56:52
  legislation that Congress could pass to, as you say, do
• 56:56
  something about this and prevent it from ever happening again?
• 56:59
  Yeah, actually I think it's much easier.
• 57:01
  All you have to do, there's existing criminal statutes that
• 57:05
  criminalize this type of corruption.
• 57:08
  Like, it's very clear, right? You can't prosecute people,
• 57:11
  right, because they're your political opponents.
• 57:14
  You definitely can't prosecute people when your family stands
• 57:17
  to benefit financially from it. And you can't prosecute people
• 57:21
  when you ignore evidence of their innocence, which all three
• 57:25
  of these, I believe, are very much pertinent, right.
• 57:28
  So all that has to happen is the Department of Justice has to
• 57:31
  investigate this case as it really is, as, Yeah, you had
• 57:34
  prosecutors who are weaponizing their authority in order to
• 57:38
  destroy their political targets, in order to advance their own
• 57:41
  careers, in order to advance the stature of their family within
• 57:44
  this hierarchy of like, Houston high society.
• 57:48
  So it's much easier than that. We don't need new legislation.
• 57:51
  We don't need anything like that.
• 57:52
  We simply need prosecutors in in the in Texas Southern District
• 57:58
  of Texas, which is now run by someone who is, I believe chief
• 58:03
  of staff for Ted Cruz. Thing is, last name is Ganji,
• 58:06
  right? All these people have do is do
• 58:09
  their job. You hopeful that that's going to
• 58:11
  happen under this administration?
• 58:14
  You know, it's, it's I the, the one thing I've given up.
• 58:19
  You know, I no longer hope I when it comes to other people,
• 58:23
  right? I, I, I don't have hope in other
• 58:25
  people. You know, I maybe a part of me
• 58:28
  does the only thing I can hope for is my own capacity to
• 58:34
  achieve certain results, because that's what I found.
• 58:36
  You know, it's like, you know, me and the help of other people,
• 58:39
  you know, like I no way I could have done any of this on my own
• 58:43
  rights, only by like the, the, the faith of other people and
• 58:47
  willing to, you know, work with me and, and assist me.
• 58:51
  But like, you know, there, there are certain things that I'm
• 58:55
  pursuing now, right? Because like, the nature of what
• 58:58
  these people did is very clear. If certain information expose is
• 59:02
  exposed to the right people, there's no option but to
• 59:05
  prosecute it, right? Because the way that they
• 59:08
  manufactured this crime, there's a very long paper trail behind
• 59:12
  it. A paper trail I can actually do
• 59:14
  something to help uncover because I was the one who
• 59:16
  uncovered the conflicts, right? Like if I can do that, then I
• 59:19
  can uncover this paper trail which revealed that these people
• 59:23
  knew they lied, which kind of contribute to the the
• 59:27
  prosecution in the first place. Doctor Arheim, why do you think
• 59:31
  that there is so much groupthink and quite frankly, corruption,
• 59:35
  as you've just detailed? It's very chilling, right?
• 59:37
  Why do you think there's so much groupthink and corruption around
• 59:41
  defending this transgender ideology and the practice the
• 59:45
  the heinous practice of giving sex changes and puberty blockers
• 59:49
  to children? You know, I, I spent, I mean, I
• 59:54
  can't even tell you how much time thinking about that very
• 59:56
  question. I mean, it's like an inordinate
• 59:58
  amount of time because so much of it has to do with this case,
• 1:00:01
  right? Like where so many people just
• 1:00:03
  go along with it and and even the prosecution, everything
• 1:00:05
  else. But and I think that.
• 1:00:09
  I think that why do I think there's so much group thing?
• 1:00:11
  And the reason is because I think that is the natural state
• 1:00:14
  of human existence. Like that is the rule, not the
• 1:00:18
  exception. And that's, you see that all
• 1:00:20
  throughout history, whenever you have powerful institutions,
• 1:00:24
  right, that combine themselves with powerful ideologies that
• 1:00:27
  combine themselves with, with, you know, powerful resources in
• 1:00:30
  terms of media, and then they embed themselves into the
• 1:00:33
  education system and everything else.
• 1:00:35
  Then humans are are naturally designed to just go along with
• 1:00:39
  it, right, to be a part of the group.
• 1:00:42
  And even if that that means doing what they know to be
• 1:00:45
  wrong, the the exception is always, you know, average people
• 1:00:50
  standing up against it. And I think that the reason is
• 1:00:55
  because that's hard. You know, it's hard, but like,
• 1:00:58
  you know, I'm a testament to it. Like, you know, I would do
• 1:01:01
  everything over again and, and there's nothing I, I regret.
• 1:01:04
  I mean, all the pain and suffering, like the, the
• 1:01:08
  $1,000,000 in legal debt is nothing compared to being able
• 1:01:11
  to, to look at my daughter, right?
• 1:01:13
  And to have her smile and to, to think to myself, like man, like,
• 1:01:17
  you know, we did the right thing.
• 1:01:19
  Like she can grow up and think to herself.
• 1:01:21
  Like I can look at my father and that's an example to live up to.
• 1:01:25
  Just like I can look at my dad and live up to his example,
• 1:01:29
  right? And that's, that's I can live in
• 1:01:31
  a trailer. We can raise our children in a
• 1:01:33
  trailer, right in, in, you know, not bashing trailers.
• 1:01:37
  You know, it's not not only do that, but, but my, my
• 1:01:44
  grandparents lived in tents when they first moved to Israel,
• 1:01:46
  right? My grandmother couldn't read,
• 1:01:48
  you know, but she, they raised a good family.
• 1:01:50
  You can, you can live poorly. You can sacrifice material
• 1:01:53
  wealth on this earth in order to follow God's Providence, you
• 1:01:57
  know, Because if you do that, like, like, there's nothing that
• 1:02:00
  they can take away from you. That's beautiful.
• 1:02:04
  I'm sure she will be very proud of you when she's old enough to
• 1:02:07
  learn what you guys went through for the sake of her future as
• 1:02:11
  well as the rest of the children in this country and beyond their
• 1:02:14
  futures. What, what do you think, Doctor
• 1:02:17
  Heim, we can do to prevent this from happening to whistleblowers
• 1:02:22
  in the future and to quite frankly, reform the system, make
• 1:02:27
  take some action to solve, you know, the corruption that exists
• 1:02:31
  so that this larger problems of problem of corruption, because
• 1:02:34
  it happened to you, it could happen to somebody else.
• 1:02:37
  It happened to you on this particular issue, but it could
• 1:02:39
  happen to people on other issues too.
• 1:02:41
  I mean, I'm in the pro-life space and, you know, federal
• 1:02:44
  agents showed up at the homes of pro-life activists who were
• 1:02:46
  praying outside abortion clinics to scare them and drag them off
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  in chains, I mean, with handcuffs on.
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  So this is something that the political representation is
• 1:02:54
  happening on other issues that the left favors.
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  And when they have power, they've weaponized it against
• 1:03:00
  people that stood up within their legal rights to speak out.
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  What do you think we can do? What would be what you know?
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  I'm sure you've thought about that a lot, as well as
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  everything else. It's like the broken window
• 1:03:11
  theory of crime prevention, right?
• 1:03:15
  All you have to do is make sure that people aren't breaking
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  windows. It's a simple thing, right?
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  And if people see that the effort is being made to hold a
• 1:03:25
  certain number of people accountable for certain crimes,
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  then most of the rest of them will fall in line.
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  And I hope, I hope that's what what, what the case would be.
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  So the most egregious cases like like this one, where it's very
• 1:03:38
  clear and there's a very deep paper trail to demonstrate the
• 1:03:41
  corruption, all the DOJ has to do is make an example out of
• 1:03:45
  them, right, to criminally investigate them, right?
• 1:03:49
  Prosecute them if they believe a crime is present, right?
• 1:03:53
  Only if they believe it right. They have to, to apply the same
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  rigor, right? Just like in in any legitimate
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  case, like because the last thing I would ever want to be
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  done to them is to go through the same thing I did.
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  If they get, if they get investigated and prosecuted,
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  they deserve a fair trial. And if the evidence in front of
• 1:04:12
  a jury shows that these people are guilty of a crime, then they
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  shouldn't be held accountable. So that's what I believe and I
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  and I believe that. If and doc not to interrupt, but
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  with that would be docked that would be the attorney, the
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  prosecutor and sorry as well as the judge.
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  You think that that those were the worst offenders in your
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  view? Yeah, I, I mean, I the the
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  judge, I mean, it's the amount of corruption on the judge's
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  side. Like what he did is just
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  blatantly illegal. It's not even like a question,
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  right? Like he was extorting me right
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  now. Let the gag order thing was
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  crazy enough, right? But I mean, the judge a year
• 1:04:48
  before, he had overturned the Texas law, SB12, which would
• 1:04:52
  make it illegal for children to attend these drag shows.
• 1:04:55
  Where like during the hearing, right, the the plaintiffs ACLU
• 1:04:59
  would talk about how children might be exposed to nudity,
• 1:05:02
  where the children could potentially grab the breasts and
• 1:05:05
  the butts of these, the drag performers.
• 1:05:09
  And the judge actually let one of the drag performers twerk in
• 1:05:13
  the courtroom like it's sick, right?
• 1:05:16
  So that's that's who this judge is, right?
• 1:05:18
  And he was extorting me the day before the the case.
• 1:05:20
  He dismissed the case, right? Threatening to send me to jail
• 1:05:24
  to move my trial up entire month, prevent me from having
• 1:05:28
  any type of legitimate case, right?
• 1:05:30
  Like like a fair trial and then and then essentially compelling
• 1:05:33
  me to sign an agreement I would have never signed, right?
• 1:05:36
  Because I would never sign that agreement.
• 1:05:37
  The only reason I signed it is because I had to offer on
• 1:05:40
  patients the next day, like, and like, you know, and that was
• 1:05:44
  like really important, right? And, and I wanted to give the
• 1:05:47
  DOJ in DC the very slim chance. I didn't think they were going
• 1:05:51
  to follow through, but like, you know, they did.
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  But yes, it would be the, but also this goes back because the
• 1:05:57
  case was only able to happen because what I believe are
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  people within TCH and Baylor College of Medicine who are able
• 1:06:03
  to make it happen because you see that, you know, like for
• 1:06:07
  example, right, The to give any example of how much corruption
• 1:06:12
  there was on that side, at the very first meeting before agents
• 1:06:16
  came to my home, it was four days before the agents showed up
• 1:06:20
  to my door. It was June 19th.
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  That's the first meeting that the HHS agents had with like TCH
• 1:06:30
  and Baylor College of Medicine. One of the people at that
• 1:06:34
  meeting was Ashen Davis, TCH general counsel, who then got
• 1:06:39
  appointed to the board with Tina's aunt two months later to
• 1:06:42
  another hospital within the Baylor TCH consortium.
• 1:06:45
  But another people, another person, TCH and Baylor council
• 1:06:49
  at that meeting was someone by the name of Gregory Saken,
• 1:06:53
  right? This is a partner at a law firm
• 1:06:55
  called Baker Hofsteller. And the really interesting thing
• 1:06:59
  about that is my wife was working at Baker Hofsteller at
• 1:07:02
  the time in Houston, right? She was associate there.
• 1:07:07
  And not only did she know Gregory Sagan, right?
• 1:07:10
  They were personally familiar with each other.
• 1:07:12
  They had talked on the phone for a very long time right before
• 1:07:16
  agents came to my home. So why was it that how did did
• 1:07:23
  Tina Ansari know that my wife had just been hired as a DOJ
• 1:07:26
  attorney? Well.
• 1:07:28
  Maybe because Gregory Sakin, this is my belief that maybe
• 1:07:31
  Gregory Sakin, because the conversation Sakin had with my
• 1:07:35
  wife was about my wife being hired at the DOJ, right?
• 1:07:38
  Because Sakin used to work in the Southern District of Texas,
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  right? In the same unit that Tina
• 1:07:45
  Ansari works in. So that's why my wife was
• 1:07:48
  talking to him, because someone at the firm was like, oh, you
• 1:07:51
  should talk to Gregory Sakin. He was a former assistant US
• 1:07:55
  attorney. So like you're about to go into
• 1:07:57
  it. He he was, you know, in that
• 1:08:00
  office, in that position like years ago.
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  So, you know, you can have perspective.
• 1:08:06
  And, you know, what's really weird is, is during that
• 1:08:09
  conversation, Gregory Sakum was like, oh, yeah.
• 1:08:12
  You know, like my wife told, you know, we only just remembered
• 1:08:15
  this like a two weeks ago. He was saying that, you know,
• 1:08:20
  these DOJ prosecutors, they're very corrupt, right?
• 1:08:22
  That like they, you know, they go after prosecutions that are
• 1:08:26
  too aggressive. They try to send innocent people
• 1:08:28
  to prison. And isn't that isn't that odd?
• 1:08:31
  That's only a little bit after that conversation that he's part
• 1:08:35
  of the meeting that initiates the entire process that leads to
• 1:08:40
  my eventual prosecution trying to send me to prison for 10
• 1:08:44
  years based on the most corrupt legal case in the history of
• 1:08:47
  HIPAA and maybe the history of this country.
• 1:08:50
  It's wild. Well, what's so wild is that
• 1:08:53
  it's like this, you know, a nod and a wink to each other of, OK,
• 1:08:57
  we're going to protect this ideology, right?
• 1:08:59
  We're going to protect transiting the kids ultimately,
• 1:09:02
  and we're going to use whatever power we have legitimately or
• 1:09:06
  legitimately to protect this ideology.
• 1:09:09
  And so everyone else, if you're in my way, you're just in my
• 1:09:11
  way. I mean, that's really that's.
• 1:09:13
  Really. What's?
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  Going on. To, to circle out this, this
• 1:09:17
  entire like process, like this kind of like cyclone of
• 1:09:22
  corruption is like in at that first meeting to who is their
• 1:09:25
  primary witness, the worst possible witness, you know, any
• 1:09:29
  type of investigation or prosecution could have ever had.
• 1:09:32
  It was someone who's never even met me before who was at least
• 1:09:36
  likely to know the details of the case.
• 1:09:38
  The TCH chief of surgery guy by the name of Larry Ollier, right?
• 1:09:42
  And who is Larry Ollier right? Someone who has a very distinct
• 1:09:46
  financial interest in TCH, whose wife also just happens to be a
• 1:09:50
  radical, radical abortion transgender activist, right?
• 1:09:55
  So it's like, you know, when you can't wait, when you don't think
• 1:10:00
  it can possibly get worse, right?
• 1:10:02
  It just gets worse. Like how the perfect witness to
• 1:10:05
  give them exactly what they need to initiate this investigation.
• 1:10:09
  But he was also their primary witness for the prosecution,
• 1:10:13
  Right. But everything that the DOJ's
• 1:10:16
  own evidence show was that everything he said was false.
• 1:10:19
  And I it's my belief that he knew he was lying, right?
• 1:10:23
  Yeah. And, and anyone in the system,
• 1:10:26
  in the, this academic surgery system knows that there's a huge
• 1:10:30
  paper trail to show that, you know what this guy was telling
• 1:10:34
  these federal law enforcement authorities what's completely
• 1:10:37
  bogus, of course, but, but why, why would, why would HHS and,
• 1:10:41
  and all these people not go to the general surgeons?
• 1:10:45
  Why they go to the chief of surgery, who's a plastic
• 1:10:47
  surgeon, right? I know they didn't go to the
• 1:10:50
  general surgeons because I was with all the general surgeons
• 1:10:53
  the night of my graduation. And they know, you know, like
• 1:10:56
  everything was, was was totally kosher, like like like totally
• 1:11:01
  normal. You know, the only person they
• 1:11:03
  talked to was a TCH What I believe the only person they
• 1:11:07
  talked to was TCH chief of surgery, who was least likely to
• 1:11:10
  know what was going on, but also the most likely to know given
• 1:11:14
  his situation. Wow, so someone that they
• 1:11:17
  thought that they could use illegitimately.
• 1:11:20
  Ultimately, whether he's testifying and intentionally
• 1:11:23
  lying or he's pretending he knows because it's convenient to
• 1:11:27
  have a certain pattern of facts. But either way, he was someone
• 1:11:29
  that obviously had had misinformation, but he was
• 1:11:33
  someone that wasn't a friend or someone that wasn't a colleague
• 1:11:36
  directly with you. It's not like someone that you
• 1:11:37
  could trust. It was someone that they could
• 1:11:39
  trust and that was who they selected in the end.
• 1:11:42
  And and and you know, if your viewers find this, you know,
• 1:11:45
  where listeners find this, these these assertions to be pretty,
• 1:11:52
  you know, like in inflammatory, like they're big statements,
• 1:11:54
  right? Like all this, like the, there's
• 1:11:57
  unsealed evidence from the our case that shows this, right?
• 1:12:02
  That showed that everything he told them is a complete like
• 1:12:06
  that was not true, right? That he admits that he never
• 1:12:09
  knew me, right? The, the DO JS own evidence is
• 1:12:13
  unsealed that shows they knew all along or should have known
• 1:12:16
  all along that what they were charged me with was completely
• 1:12:19
  false, right? So this is not like just me
• 1:12:22
  saying this, all this is, is public, right?
• 1:12:24
  You can look at the, the evidence.
• 1:12:27
  It's like it's clear as day. But the DOJ themselves had
• 1:12:30
  acknowledged that they know it, that they presented false
• 1:12:34
  information to a grand jury. They they said that themselves
• 1:12:38
  in a motion of tober of 2024, but they just said they didn't
• 1:12:41
  do so knowingly, knowingly, right?
• 1:12:44
  So they, they just didn't look at their evidence.
• 1:12:46
  Is that the case right. So they find the best witness,
• 1:12:50
  the best witness at the perfect moment and then they find the
• 1:12:52
  best prosecutor at the best MO, you know, perfect moment, right?
• 1:12:57
  Tina Ansari, who just so happens to have all these connections
• 1:13:00
  with TCH and Baylor College of Medicines leadership.
• 1:13:04
  How she know who the best witness is going to be, right?
• 1:13:07
  Well, maybe because she knows all the leadership there, right.
• 1:13:10
  And then and then, you know, like, how is it that the two
• 1:13:14
  people, other people at that meeting, June 19th, right,
• 1:13:17
  Gregory Sakin and Ashen Davis, the counsel, their job in those
• 1:13:21
  meetings is to prevent their client, Larry Olier from saying
• 1:13:24
  something ridiculous in front of the law enforcement agent doing
• 1:13:27
  something like really bad, like lying to people.
• 1:13:29
  But somehow they crapped the bed, right?
• 1:13:32
  They let their their client, Larry Olier present complete
• 1:13:35
  false information to law enforcement agencies, not only
• 1:13:38
  to HHS but also to the FBI, right?
• 1:13:41
  They just somehow messed up really bad, you know, and like,
• 1:13:44
  is this sequence of events so, you know, remarkable at this
• 1:13:48
  point in June of 2023 and after when the entire Biden
• 1:13:52
  administration is being weaponized to prosecute their
• 1:13:57
  political opponents. No, I mean, this is like
• 1:13:59
  completely standard. This is like run in the middle
• 1:14:02
  third world corruption. But for us, it's just new
• 1:14:05
  because we've never dealt with it before.
• 1:14:07
  But like, you know, this is like, you know, it's very sad
• 1:14:11
  once you make that realization that this is like nothing really
• 1:14:14
  remarkable about this, just like standard corruption.
• 1:14:19
  Well, I, I applaud you for being willing to speak and speaking
• 1:14:23
  out again and again and also for fighting it because I do think
• 1:14:27
  there is a, you know, good people would have a tendency to
• 1:14:31
  say, OK, this is a lot of heat. I can't handle it.
• 1:14:34
  I've got bills to pay, I've got a family to feed, I've got a
• 1:14:36
  future. And what's, you know, I'll just
• 1:14:40
  tell them, I won't do this anymore.
• 1:14:41
  I won't speak out. Or I'll tell them that I'm
• 1:14:43
  sorry, there was some mistake. I must have accidentally did
• 1:14:46
  something wrong. And not that I really did, but,
• 1:14:48
  you know, just make this go away basically.
• 1:14:50
  And the fact that you have been consistent like your integrity
• 1:14:54
  throughout this, I think it's so tremendous, obviously admirable.
• 1:14:57
  And I do think that it an example needs to be made in your
• 1:15:01
  case. It's so blatant, the corruption.
• 1:15:04
  And I'm hopeful that we will see something with the current DOJ.
• 1:15:07
  And, and I think that the posture that it's taken to
• 1:15:10
  undoing corruption and fighting back against the extremes of the
• 1:15:13
  left, I mean, this seems like the perfect case for them to
• 1:15:16
  take. Yeah, and and, you know, all
• 1:15:19
  they have to do is unseal. There's a protective order to
• 1:15:22
  all the evidence in the case. They have to unseal that order
• 1:15:25
  so we can look at the evidence because there is even evidence
• 1:15:28
  that like I haven't looked at carefully because there's so
• 1:15:31
  much that details like how this whole thing was constructed.
• 1:15:35
  But also in that evidence it it shows who was accusing me of
• 1:15:39
  like sexually abusing patients. I know who the person is, right?
• 1:15:42
  But like, you know, I can't say because it's under a protective
• 1:15:44
  order, but like, you know, these people did this to me, right?
• 1:15:48
  They try to take everything away from me and like, they knew
• 1:15:51
  this, they like the FBI knew this, that these.
• 1:15:55
  That could be a civil suit, right?
• 1:15:57
  Doctor Haim to. It's too late.
• 1:15:59
  It's too late because it's it's past the year of and and that's
• 1:16:02
  what sucks so much because it's like that's how they do it, you
• 1:16:06
  know, right, That's how they do it because.
• 1:16:09
  Is there a year statute of limitations?
• 1:16:10
  In Texas for civil civil suits and because I have the reviews
• 1:16:15
  we had when I was still an on this, we knew that this was
• 1:16:17
  coming from TCH. So we hired a bunch of Navy
• 1:16:19
  Seals. Ex Navy Seals were like tech
• 1:16:21
  guys to do like an investigation.
• 1:16:24
  And then we also subpoenaed web MD and we got the, the IP
• 1:16:27
  addresses. All the IP addresses were coming
• 1:16:29
  from the same person, right. So, you know, we were able to
• 1:16:32
  show and now once we got to discover, we knew it was, it was
• 1:16:35
  the same person. But by the time that came
• 1:16:37
  around, it was no, the case of the statue of limitations had
• 1:16:40
  already passed. So it's like, you know, and, and
• 1:16:44
  what the review was, was it was like like per SE defamation.
• 1:16:48
  They were accusing me of a crime, right?
• 1:16:51
  A crime they knew was false. And this person is someone who
• 1:16:54
  knew me, you know? It's wild.
• 1:16:58
  What is next for you and your family?
• 1:17:01
  You've got this amazing wife, warrior wife.
• 1:17:04
  You know you're a warrior. You've got a beautiful little
• 1:17:07
  one. Now what do you see your future
• 1:17:09
  like? You know, it's, I think it's
• 1:17:12
  just going back to my normal life, you know, doing surgery,
• 1:17:16
  taking care of people, raised my family.
• 1:17:18
  And, you know, I think that after you go through something
• 1:17:21
  like this, it's like, you know, it's like there's there's other
• 1:17:26
  people still in the fight, you know, like there's a doctor Kirk
• 1:17:29
  Moore, who he was about to go to trial July 7th in one of the
• 1:17:35
  most corrupt COVID cases, right? They're going after him for fake
• 1:17:38
  vaccine cards, right, when he knew that what they were doing,
• 1:17:41
  like these vaccines were going to be dangerous.
• 1:17:44
  So it's like, you know, like I had spent so much time, like in
• 1:17:47
  the trenches taking grenades that like, if I see other people
• 1:17:50
  in there, I can't help but like, you know, I have to help fight
• 1:17:53
  them. And I feel like I'll I'll still
• 1:17:55
  do that, but I'm just trying to go back to my normal life.
• 1:17:59
  How has your perspective changed over the last two years?
• 1:18:03
  What would you say the biggest lesson or two that you've
• 1:18:06
  learned from your experience? You know, I, I think it's like
• 1:18:10
  what happens, like, you know, if you believe in God, right, you
• 1:18:12
  believe in his commandments and his Providence is covenant,
• 1:18:15
  right? That like, if these things are
• 1:18:17
  real, you just have to act in accordance to it.
• 1:18:19
  And if you do, then then you'll always be rewarded, no matter
• 1:18:23
  the consequence, because you know, you're doing the right
• 1:18:25
  thing, right? Always.
• 1:18:27
  And, and, and the power of just average people to do something
• 1:18:31
  like me and my wife were just average people.
• 1:18:33
  We're no ones, you know, and we were able to do all this like to
• 1:18:37
  raise over $1,000,000 and, and to get tell the story to 10s of
• 1:18:41
  millions of people, you know, to, to fight back against the
• 1:18:43
  most powerful federal Leviathan in human history, against most,
• 1:18:47
  most omnipotent, omnipresent propaganda machine in human
• 1:18:51
  history. And because, you know, all we
• 1:18:54
  were doing was just, you know, we were fighting, you know, for
• 1:18:57
  God's Providence, right? It's like we were just doing
• 1:19:00
  what was correct doing, doing what was correct.
• 1:19:02
  And, and because of that, because we, we did it right, You
• 1:19:06
  know, when we never gave up, we never gave in.
• 1:19:08
  And we'll, we, you win in the end.
• 1:19:11
  Even if I went to prison, I would have won in the end
• 1:19:13
  because right? Wow, Doctor Heim, thank you so
• 1:19:17
  much for your courage. It's truly inspiring.
• 1:19:20
  I think this is extremely eye opening for everybody listening
• 1:19:24
  about what's at stake in the America that we love.
• 1:19:27
  And I think your example is a call to action for everyone to
• 1:19:30
  always speak the truth, to always follow our conscience and
• 1:19:33
  not not stand down when a bully shows up, even if that bully is
• 1:19:38
  that the US department, Department of Justice in in the
• 1:19:40
  case that's so crazy that you've experienced.
• 1:19:42
  So thank you, thank you, thank you.
• 1:19:44
  How can people support you and the incredible voice that you
• 1:19:48
  are now to speak out against corruption?
• 1:19:50
  You know, so it's just give singo.com/texas under score
• 1:19:54
  whistleblower and then yeah, I'm on X.
• 1:19:57
  That's like the only thing, so. Awesome.
• 1:20:00
  We'll we'll definitely include those links and thank you so
• 1:20:02
  much for your time. I know you're busy helping and
• 1:20:04
  serving patients. Thank you for all of your work
• 1:20:07
  and thank you for taking the time for this interview.
• 1:20:10
  Yep. Thank you.
• 1:20:11
  Thanks so much for listening to this episode of the Lila Rose
• 1:20:13
  Show. I think this topic is so
• 1:20:15
  important because I've seen it in the pro-life space.
• 1:20:18
  I've seen the power of government being wielded against
• 1:20:21
  American citizens who are pro-life, who are prayerfully
• 1:20:24
  and peacefully practicing their freedom of speech on public
• 1:20:28
  spaces outside abortion clinics as an example, then being
• 1:20:31
  ultimately attacked by the government for their actions
• 1:20:33
  because the government is led by a pro abortion forces.
• 1:20:36
  That's why we've discussed the stories of people like Bevel and
• 1:20:39
  Williams on this podcast before. A brave pro-life activist, or
• 1:20:42
  Joan Bell or Mark Hawk, all of them prayerfully, peacefully
• 1:20:47
  trying to stand up for life. So what is happening in the
• 1:20:50
  defense of children, whether it is children that are being
• 1:20:53
  targeted for transgender treatments or children in the
• 1:20:56
  womb being targeted for destruction via abortion,
• 1:20:59
  standing up for life, standing up for children matters.
• 1:21:01
  And it is crucial that we stand up to, for our freedoms to stand
• 1:21:06
  up for those that are in need. And so I hope that you share
• 1:21:08
  this episode with your friends, with your family that you
• 1:21:11
  continue to, to support Doctor Heim, if you haven't already.
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