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A Little More Asian Than I Thought · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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Speaker 1: Warning. The following episode involves alchemy, treasure hunts, costco deals,
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Speaker 1: palm reading on babies, and custom T shirts. Sensitive listeners,
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Speaker 1: please take care.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, my parents are very demanding. They're very funny, but
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Speaker 2: they are fucking tons of work. Am I low to cuss?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: Okay, good.
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Speaker 3: For the record. I am not used to hearing any
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Speaker 3: choice curse. In fact, I'm not really used to seeing
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Speaker 3: her in person. I mostly know Any as an animated
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Speaker 3: character from the show Brain Pop. And I'm not sure
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Speaker 3: if no Brain pop, but my family certainly does. Let's
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Speaker 3: let my younger kid, Ruby explain.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: So it's like this really cool program where there's actually
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Speaker 5: a boy named Tom or a girl named Annie.
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Speaker 4: And there's like this robot named Movie. No Movie.
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Speaker 2: This isn't a gift for you.
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Speaker 6: I made it for Tasha.
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Speaker 3: Well, you know we're doing the show about Annie.
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Speaker 7: Right, really?
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Speaker 4: Oh that's really cool.
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Speaker 3: How would you describe Annie?
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Speaker 5: She teaches a lot about like math and reading and
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Speaker 5: writing and stuff like that. Her pants are always jeans
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Speaker 5: and she is in pigtails.
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Speaker 3: Does she has glasses?
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Speaker 4: Yes, she does.
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Speaker 3: Classes.
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Speaker 5: She says in one of the episodes that she is Korean.
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Speaker 5: She's definitely like a very mellow person.
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Speaker 3: But real life Annie, she's about my age, with nerd
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Speaker 3: cheek glasses, a warm smile, chunky jewelry. Yeah, and she's
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Speaker 3: it's definitely funnier and spicier than animated Annie.
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Speaker 2: I don't know where my mom picked up Jesus, but
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Speaker 2: it totally bled into like a lot of the things
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Speaker 2: that she does in terms of intocre Like you go
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Speaker 2: to her house and it looks like a Catholic church
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Speaker 2: gift shop. Do you need like this many crucifixes? Could
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Speaker 2: we just have one?
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Speaker 3: Instead of teaching me or a robot about the word responsibility.
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Speaker 6: Responsibility is something you should do, chores at home, homework,
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Speaker 6: following the rules.
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Speaker 3: Today, she's trying to define responsibility for herself.
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Speaker 2: I see other friends whose parents are so independent, you know,
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Speaker 2: and they're like, they're white. Their parents are doing their
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Speaker 2: own thing, going on trips, and like, my mom literally
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Speaker 2: asked me to buy stuff on Amazon for them because
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Speaker 2: they don't know how to do it.
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Speaker 3: Annie's brother lives near her parents in California, while she
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Speaker 3: lives in New York, but because of her family dynamics,
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Speaker 3: the brunt of caring for them falls to her.
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Speaker 2: I think It's like a dynamic of Korean family is
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Speaker 2: where the older boy gets to do whatever they want
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Speaker 2: and the younger girl has to literally do everything. It's
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Speaker 2: like classic gender roles.
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Speaker 3: And while she hates the gender dynamic, these are still
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Speaker 3: her parents. She wants to help them.
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Speaker 2: It's a pain in my ass, but it's sort of
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Speaker 2: like time to return the favor. I guess the responsibility
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Speaker 2: is something they should do, which I think is a
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Speaker 2: pretty classic Asian upbringing thing too. I'm a little bit
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Speaker 2: more Asian than I thought it was, I guess, which
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Speaker 2: is kind of annoying.
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Speaker 3: It's like, ah, and as her mom and dad are
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Speaker 3: getting older and a little more helpless, Annie is something
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Speaker 3: she desperately wants to know who's.
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Speaker 2: Going to die first, my mom and her dad, because
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Speaker 2: there's an answer that I want it so dark.
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Speaker 3: From Kaleidoscope and iHeart Podcasts, I'm Mongish particular. Welcome to
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Speaker 3: Skyline Drive Chapter one. An Ideal Boy. As a kid
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Speaker 3: visiting Hindia, one of the things I remember were these
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Speaker 3: colorful classroom posters that looked like they were pulled from
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Speaker 3: an Indian version of Highlights magazine. Sometimes they teach you Hindi.
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Speaker 3: Sometimes they teach you about seasons or bad behaviors to avoid.
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Speaker 3: But the one I really remember was titled.
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Speaker 5: An ideal Boy with Good Habits in parentheses under it.
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Speaker 3: As I was trying to find the posters online, I
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Speaker 3: ended up chatting about them with my kid Henry, And
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Speaker 3: this one says an ideal boy gets up early in
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Speaker 3: the morning, salutes his parents, goes for a morning walk,
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Speaker 3: brushes his teeth, helps others.
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Speaker 5: He bathes daily, praise to God, takes meals in time.
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Speaker 4: Like I guess what it means is like he doesn't snack.
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Speaker 4: I'm not an ideal boy.
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Speaker 3: You are an ideal boy. So what do you think
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Speaker 3: about a poster like this? Should we put this up
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Speaker 3: in your room?
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Speaker 4: I mean it helped me a lot, help me do
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Speaker 4: what salute my parents.
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Speaker 3: Of course, the charts and the posters make it all
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Speaker 3: seem very easy, but as we all know, and Annie
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Speaker 3: in particular knows, family isn't easy.
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Speaker 2: I've written two books. One is called Happy Birthday or whatever,
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Speaker 2: and the other one is shut Up, You're welcome. They're
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Speaker 2: both books about growing up with my crazy family.
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Speaker 3: Recently, her mom's fallen ill, which means Annie's been traveling
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Speaker 3: back and forth more, and while her dad still works,
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Speaker 3: he essentially leans on Annie's mother for everything else.
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Speaker 2: My dad can't even like make toast. He's like, how
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Speaker 2: does this work. I'm like, it's a machine. You push
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Speaker 2: the button. Like he can't. It's learned helplessness.
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Speaker 3: So there are day to day things Annie worries about,
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Speaker 3: but she's also concerned about the future. One huge hurdle
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Speaker 3: is figuring out what to do with their collection of
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Speaker 3: random stuff.
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Speaker 2: Imagine never having thrown out a pair of shoes from
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Speaker 2: when you were born. So my parents' garage there's like
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Speaker 2: suitcases with broken wheels, a credenza, two giant filing cabinets,
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Speaker 2: a desk, a sewing table. It's just like shit like that.
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Speaker 2: Like a vacuum cleaner that's like that avocado green that
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Speaker 2: was big in the seventies, that like definitely doesn't work.
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Speaker 2: My dad has a duct tape. It's filled with black
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Speaker 2: mold and Asian aiir's disease. Since moving here in the seventies,
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Speaker 2: they've never thrown a single thing out.
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Speaker 3: In some ways, Annie understands.
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Speaker 2: You know, they grew up at the twilight of the
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Speaker 2: Crane War, so there's very few resources and people were starving,
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Speaker 2: and I get it, and you want to hold onto everything.
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Speaker 2: It's like you save every single fucking thing, like you're
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Speaker 2: never gonna see it again.
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Speaker 3: But to Annie, there's something incongruous about how the only
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Speaker 3: truly American value that our parents seemed to have picked
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Speaker 3: up over the years was over consumption.
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Speaker 2: They shop at Costco, which is totally evil. They there's
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Speaker 2: only two people by the way, so like, you don't
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Speaker 2: need like a twenty pound bag of flour, but you
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Speaker 2: know it's such a good deal. Annie, Like you got
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Speaker 2: to buy it. The upbringing of like not having enough
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Speaker 2: and the americanness of like having too much, both of
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Speaker 2: these are inhabiting them and me trying to be like,
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Speaker 2: you don't need any of this stuff.
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Speaker 3: Annie's dad is a chemist. His job is to take
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Speaker 3: objects like old electronics and Jonkin estimate how much gold
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Speaker 3: is in them.
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Speaker 2: It's like a super weird niche. He's basically an alchemist.
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Speaker 3: And that's led him to invest in gold. But because
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Speaker 3: Annie's parents are so disorganized, no one seems to know
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Speaker 3: where it is.
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Speaker 2: He just has gold. It's hidden. He told me it's hidden.
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Speaker 2: I mean it probably in the garage, right, But he
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Speaker 2: refuses to sell any of it because gold is down.
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Speaker 2: But it's like, I don't know what he's waiting for,
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Speaker 2: you know, because the man is old. I would like
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Speaker 2: him to sell the gold and actually use that money
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Speaker 2: to like live his life.
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Speaker 3: While making this show, I've been thinking a lot about
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Speaker 3: what we owe our parents, what they owe us, our
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Speaker 3: obligations to one another. So I asked my son, Henry,
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Speaker 3: have we ever talked about the four stages of Hindu life.
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Speaker 4: I've not talked about Hindu life at all.
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Speaker 3: The first stage is called a brahmachaya, and that means
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Speaker 3: like you're a student, and so it's like when you're
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Speaker 3: a kid and your student and you're supposed to spend
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Speaker 3: all your days and study and like really understanding things
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Speaker 3: so that you have a grasp of knowledge.
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Speaker 4: I like that idea better.
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Speaker 3: It's a good grades that actually brings us to like
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Speaker 3: the second stage of life, being a householder. So it's
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Speaker 3: like taking care of your kids, getting a good job,
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Speaker 3: taking care of your parents, like that type of thing.
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Speaker 3: What do you think about that?
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Speaker 4: That's a great rule.
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Speaker 5: I mean you also should like love your family and
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Speaker 5: taking care of people is a very important rule in life.
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Speaker 3: And then the third stage of life is like, once
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Speaker 3: you've gotten your kids married and settled and all that stuff,
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Speaker 3: then you want to retreat from your life. Right, so
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Speaker 3: this is when you're older. You want to start getting
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Speaker 3: rid of your stuff. You want to start volunteering, want
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Speaker 3: to start going to temples more or ostroums. What do
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Speaker 3: you think about that?
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Speaker 5: It definitely makes sense because after your life has been
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Speaker 5: like structured, you're gonna want to top it off with
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Speaker 5: some icing on the cake and start to relax.
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Speaker 7: What's the fourth step?
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Speaker 3: The fourth step is really sort of preparing for death
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Speaker 3: in a way, And so it's spending a lot of
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Speaker 3: time in prayer and meditation and quiet and forests and
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Speaker 3: nature and how should we put in So.
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Speaker 5: Like, after you've done all that, just take a minute
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Speaker 5: to breathe in that fresh nature air, pray a little
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Speaker 5: bit so that your afterlife will be nice and healthy,
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Speaker 5: Sit back, watch your grandchildren play, and have last days
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Speaker 5: that you have be beatingful.
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Speaker 3: Chapter two Starting points. She said, boy, you still broke
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Speaker 3: his code out. Not a boy as the fucking man.
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Speaker 8: Hold up, yeah, man, I'll tell you moms like I
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Speaker 8: was from the Bala.
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Speaker 3: Bit in Vedic astrology, knowing the minute you're born is
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Speaker 3: key to understanding your life because the planets and stars,
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Speaker 3: they're all in constant motion, right, So like the difference
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Speaker 3: of a single minute can dramatically change your personality, it
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Speaker 3: can change your career, it can change your love life.
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Speaker 3: All of your happiness comes down to which specific minute
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Speaker 3: you were born. Henry, do you know what birth sign
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Speaker 3: you are?
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Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure I'm a Virgo.
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Speaker 3: I also asked Ruby, I'm a aries. What does that
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Speaker 3: mean to you?
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Speaker 9: Ah?
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Speaker 5: Well, ah, they tend to be very cheerful and popular
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Speaker 5: and feisty and tall, which is incorrect for our family
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Speaker 5: because me and my mom were definitely not tall. But
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Speaker 5: zodiacs are there to like tell you what, this is
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Speaker 5: who you are. It's not always who you are. And
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Speaker 5: it's also like you could listen to it or you
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Speaker 5: don't have to. Yeah, and I really don't care about
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Speaker 5: all that, because you define who you are not the
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Speaker 5: day that you were born on.
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Speaker 3: Of course, some people put a whole lot more stock
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Speaker 3: in their star signs than my kids do. And these
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Speaker 3: days it's become more and more common for wealthy Indian
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Speaker 3: parents to game their children's life and their horoscopes through
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Speaker 3: elective C section. They enlist in astrologer and pick the
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Speaker 3: exact sixty second window that in obgyn has to deliver
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Speaker 3: that baby.
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Speaker 10: People who just come in and say, Okay, I want
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Speaker 10: to delivery on this particular date, this particular time, or
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Speaker 10: this particular hour, so on and so forth.
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Speaker 3: That's doctor mcaish Gua, a Mumbai based obstetrician with.
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Speaker 10: My primary focus on delivering babies.
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Speaker 3: Doctor Koppa is no ordinary obgyn. When I met him,
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Speaker 3: I noticed all these things sparkling from his shelves. I
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Speaker 3: look around this room and they're like forty different words.
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Speaker 3: Can you can you tell me a little bit about
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Speaker 3: just your achievements here?
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Speaker 1: Oh?
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Speaker 10: Okay, So I'm a hard core scientific person, but the
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Speaker 10: patient wants this and we need to know about this. Yeah,
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Speaker 10: and we need to learn about this and understand this
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Speaker 10: astrology or but then I have to not forget about
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Speaker 10: my core competency of which they're coming here.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 10: So I cannot compromise this on that.
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Speaker 3: The awards are this visual reminder to patients that he
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Speaker 3: clearly knows what he's doing. Beyond graduating at the top
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Speaker 3: of his medical class, doctor Gupa has advanced degrees in
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Speaker 3: psychological counseling and a strategy management degree from one of
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Speaker 3: India's top business schools. He had up ethics boards and
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Speaker 3: shared state boards for doctors. And when politicians in Mumbai
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Speaker 3: were trying to convince the public to heed warnings about
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Speaker 3: COVID and go get their shots, it's doctor Gupa they
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Speaker 3: put up on the podium.
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Speaker 10: Now, what are these different types of masks. There are
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Speaker 10: simple masks which are available, which are one ply or
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Speaker 10: two ply masks which are easily available.
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Speaker 3: Anyway, despite all these trophies and bona fides, doctor Guppa
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Speaker 3: still has to contend with his patient's astrological ambitions.
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Speaker 10: The turning point king when there was a serious situation
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Speaker 10: when I came out of the delivery room and I
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Speaker 10: informed about the delivery and the good news, and the
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Speaker 10: grandfather of the child was born, was more concerned about
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Speaker 10: the precision of the time, and he was asking me
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Speaker 10: the details of what time the head came out, what
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Speaker 10: time the baby cried, what time do you cut the cord?
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Speaker 3: The questions alarmed him, especially because delivering this healthy baby
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Speaker 3: had taken almost a miracle.
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Speaker 10: If you want me to look and keep track of
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Speaker 10: all these things, and I should not deliver the moment.
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Speaker 9: Then I would just be watching the time man.
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Speaker 10: I would be the time manager.
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Speaker 3: The situation would have irritated most people, but because doctor
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Speaker 3: Guppa thinks deeply about patient care, he tried to look
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Speaker 3: at it from another angle.
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Speaker 10: There is a window of one and a half minutes, okay,
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Speaker 10: after which the things will change. So whether it is
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Speaker 10: a constellation, whether it is a jog audias, everything has
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Speaker 10: a window of time.
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Speaker 3: Look, every part of parenting is hard. Bringing a child
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Speaker 3: into this world as hard. Raising a child as hard.
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Speaker 3: There are so many responsibilities. Parents constantly worry that they're
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Speaker 3: not doing enough to advocate for their kids or to
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Speaker 3: secure their futures. And you see the compromises people make
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Speaker 3: all the time to give their kids a better life.
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Speaker 3: And if you really believe in astrology, why wouldn't you
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Speaker 3: adjust the time of your c section and give your
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Speaker 3: child a possible advantage. But that drive can lead parents
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Speaker 3: to some surprising places. As we were sipping coffee and
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Speaker 3: talking more about doctor Guppa's background, the doctor offhandedly told
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Speaker 3: me something that he'd found shocking.
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Speaker 10: There was a decision that this couple had come and
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Speaker 10: he creaking for an abortion.
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Speaker 3: I knew I'd come here to learn about time births,
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Speaker 3: but I had no idea that we'd be discussing terminating
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Speaker 3: pregnancies and the role astrology plays in that. According to
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Speaker 3: doctor Gupta, this couple came in for a consult. They
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Speaker 3: wanted a family, They wanted to have a child. It's
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Speaker 3: just they didn't want a child with a bad horoscope.
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Speaker 3: Doctor Gupta shook his head as he told me the story.
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Speaker 10: You know, the child is going to get birth in
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Speaker 10: this month and this particular data. I don't want to
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Speaker 10: have a child at that time.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm pro choice, but I couldn't fathom the logic, like,
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Speaker 3: if you legitimately want to bring a child into the world,
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Speaker 3: a birth sign shouldn't matter.
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Speaker 10: If somebody tells me to put away all my instincts
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Speaker 10: and information and knowledge, you know I would not. We
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Speaker 10: tried to accommodate everybody's beliefs without losing our primary focus
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Speaker 10: of what is the right thing to do.
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Speaker 3: We finished our coffees and before I let him go,
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Speaker 3: I asked Doctor gupa one last question about this sonographer
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Speaker 3: from the Middle East with a peculiar side hustle. This
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Speaker 3: specialist claims to read the palms of children in utero
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Speaker 3: and then determines the best moment for their birth. Of course,
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Speaker 3: he charges very wealthy families a bomb for that information,
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Speaker 3: and he refused to speak with me on the record,
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Speaker 3: so I got doctor Gupta's opinion instead.
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Speaker 10: I have an extremely costly machine, a sonography machine from
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Speaker 10: one of the top companies globally, and even with the
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Speaker 10: best of the machines, in the best of these, you
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Speaker 10: cannot really read the lines on the bomb.
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Speaker 3: Most fetuses bawled their hands into fists. He told me,
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Speaker 3: you almost never see a palm in the womb.
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Speaker 10: So it's a myth. So that is probably a very
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Speaker 10: smart ass was trying to make money out of someone.
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Speaker 3: Re Listening to this tape now makes me think of
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Speaker 3: Annie and this time in grad school, one of her
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Speaker 3: friends just kind of grabbed her hand.
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Speaker 2: And she read my palm and she was like, you're
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Speaker 2: going to die really early, and I'm like, why would
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Speaker 2: you tell me that?
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Speaker 3: And then another friend jumped in the peek and she's like.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're going to die early, and I'm like, why
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Speaker 2: do people tell me this? I was like laughing because
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Speaker 2: the lines of my weird ass palms, What does early
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Speaker 2: even mean.
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Speaker 3: Annie jokes that she started wearing gloves after that, just
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Speaker 3: to avoid another surprise reading.
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Speaker 2: You never know where they are. You're lurking around the corner,
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Speaker 2: these pom readers.
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Speaker 3: Chapter three, killing them softly. Wait, have you had any
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Speaker 3: encounters with astrology? Because yes, of course I have.
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Speaker 1: You have?
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Speaker 9: Of course, Well tell.
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Speaker 3: Me from the first time, Like when, what was the
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Speaker 3: first time that you all know?
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Speaker 9: How much time do you have?
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Speaker 3: It's the end of summer. My sister and I haven't
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Speaker 3: talked much since my dad's passing. We've been distracting ourselves
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Speaker 3: in different ways. She's been busy planning her wedding, I've
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Speaker 3: been traveling for the show. Our rare conversations have been
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Speaker 3: around hence subjects, how to help her mom, how to
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Speaker 3: deal with life insurance or close my dad's accounts. Shot
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Speaker 3: is younger than me, and we're some in a lot
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Speaker 3: of ways. We laugh at the same jokes. We've both
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Speaker 3: inherited the same family bee, we went to the same
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Speaker 3: schools and colleges, even took some classes together. We both
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Speaker 3: go to extreme lengths to help the people we love.
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Speaker 3: But I found a way where we're nothing alike. No
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Speaker 3: one has ever fallen deathly ill trying to cast my horoscope.
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Speaker 9: So Amama, our grandma, wanted me to get my horoscope read.
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Speaker 3: Our amama is our mom's mom, and after Shata was
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Speaker 3: done with college, she sent Shatas details off to this
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Speaker 3: legendary astrologer in Tharwad and he was kind of an
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Speaker 3: older man known for his skill at reading charts.
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Speaker 9: He died in the middle of reading this horoscope, which
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Speaker 9: wasn't great.
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Speaker 3: Then my grandmom tried to send Shanta's birth details to
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Speaker 3: the former astrologer's apprentice, and.
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Speaker 9: Then he got really sick while apparently like my horoscope
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Speaker 9: was in front of him. And I heard about that.
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Speaker 9: I was like, okay, you no, like, no more people
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Speaker 9: reading my horoscope. This seems like a really bad thing.
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Speaker 3: I didn't remember any of this, but it left a
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Speaker 3: lasting impression on Shanpa.
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Speaker 9: So I've always been like, Okay, there's something out there
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Speaker 9: that I'm not supposed to know my horoscope because I
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Speaker 9: never get to see it. It's almost like you don't
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Speaker 9: need to know more. That's how I interpreted.
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Speaker 3: I can't believe my sister was satisfied with not getting
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Speaker 3: her reading back. That would make me crazy. I do
21:32
Speaker 3: only want to know my forecast? Even more, it drove
21:35
Speaker 3: my mom's mom crazy too, because she really just wanted
21:39
Speaker 3: to hear someone tell her your granddaughter will get married
21:42
Speaker 3: by such and such a date, So she started pounding
21:45
Speaker 3: the pavement for other leads and cragging my sister across
21:49
Speaker 3: Bangalo or the various astrologers, they.
21:52
Speaker 9: Were never very specific about stuff with me. So one
21:54
Speaker 9: of the guys he gave a lot of information about
21:57
Speaker 9: my health, but then when it came to when I
21:58
Speaker 9: was going to marry someone, he said, her life before
22:01
Speaker 9: thirty will be good and her life after thirty will
22:03
Speaker 9: be good. And Immo is very dissatisfied with an answer.
22:08
Speaker 9: How old am I now forty one and you're getting married? Yes,
22:12
Speaker 9: so my life before was good in my life after
22:15
Speaker 9: is good. It was accurate, just not specific enough.
22:20
Speaker 3: When I hear this tape, it makes me feel like
22:23
Speaker 3: we're typical Indians, but we're really not. I mean, in
22:27
Speaker 3: American pop culture, the way Indians are represented, there are
22:31
Speaker 3: only two or three storyline tropes. There's the kid who
22:34
Speaker 3: secretly wants to be an artist, but his parents want
22:37
Speaker 3: him to be an engineer. Or there's a kid who
22:40
Speaker 3: wants to date someone of a different class or non Indian,
22:44
Speaker 3: but their family doesn't approve, or they think their family
22:47
Speaker 3: won't approve, and that causes all sorts of anxiety. But
22:51
Speaker 3: I never related to any of those tropes because my
22:54
Speaker 3: family wasn't like that. They were really progressive. My great
22:59
Speaker 3: grandfathers were kicked out of the community church for educating
23:01
Speaker 3: their daughters and for sending their sons to college overseas,
23:06
Speaker 3: and for rebelling against the notion of caste that only
23:09
Speaker 3: Brahmins like them deserved certain services. On the other hand,
23:14
Speaker 3: my Amama literally could not rest until she knew my
23:17
Speaker 3: sister's future was secured. I don't think she cared if
23:20
Speaker 3: Shanta's prospective husband was Muslim or Jewish, or white or black.
23:25
Speaker 3: It's just that my grandmam wanted her on a path
23:27
Speaker 3: towards settling down having kids. There was no way in
23:32
Speaker 3: her mind that my sister, this accomplished psychology professor, could
23:36
Speaker 3: possibly feel whole unless she got married. These traditional Hindu
23:41
Speaker 3: ideas of duty and life, they were an obstacle for
23:44
Speaker 3: my grandmother, hindering her from leading that quieter fourth stage
23:49
Speaker 3: where she could peacefully spend her time in serious meditation
23:52
Speaker 3: and contemplation before passing, whereas my dad used to call
23:57
Speaker 3: it cramming for fives. Chapter four, Don't Make Me Relive
24:24
Speaker 3: the nineties. As I'm waiting for Annie and our astrologer
24:29
Speaker 3: Janelle to hop on the line for Annie's reading, I
24:33
Speaker 3: think back to that question Annie wanted answered, which of
24:36
Speaker 3: her parents is going to die first?
24:38
Speaker 2: I want my mom to live longer.
24:42
Speaker 3: Whatever you might want or think you want, do you
24:45
Speaker 3: really want to know if you get it? Chata made
24:48
Speaker 3: a really good point. Sometimes you don't really need to
24:51
Speaker 3: know the future anyway. That's in the back of my mind.
24:54
Speaker 3: As we get going one.
24:56
Speaker 11: Seconds, you are a Virgo sun, a Virgo moon, and
25:02
Speaker 11: a Virgo rising. That's pretty rare for someone to have
25:05
Speaker 11: all three of their major legs Sun, moon, and rising
25:09
Speaker 11: in one sign.
25:10
Speaker 3: As usual, even through the screen, Janelle radiates warmth and
25:14
Speaker 3: comfortable energy, and.
25:15
Speaker 11: I think about Virgo. I think about Beyonce right. Tireless practice.
25:19
Speaker 11: You never turn off your mind because you're always thinking
25:22
Speaker 11: about what do I have to do next?
25:24
Speaker 3: How do I plan?
25:25
Speaker 2: How do I get ahead?
25:26
Speaker 4: Which is great.
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Speaker 11: We could also be very tiring.
25:29
Speaker 3: She does seem tired to me. Tired of having to
25:32
Speaker 3: deal with these problems, tired of being the organized one
25:35
Speaker 3: who has to carry everyone's anxiety and swoop into solve
25:39
Speaker 3: issues that don't have to be issues.
25:42
Speaker 11: Okay, So do you want to dive into the parent
25:45
Speaker 11: question first or are there other things you want to
25:47
Speaker 11: talk about before that?
25:48
Speaker 2: No, I mean the parent question is certainly, you know,
25:50
Speaker 2: one that's been on my mind. My mom had a
25:54
Speaker 2: second open heart surgery, which meant the whole family had
25:58
Speaker 2: to go through that again, which we need, particularly as
26:01
Speaker 2: the only daughter, to be the one bearing a lot
26:04
Speaker 2: of the caring duties. I'm just trying to keep her alive,
26:10
Speaker 2: have her, you know, followed directions and stick to the
26:14
Speaker 2: strict diet that she's on, what she hates doing, and
26:17
Speaker 2: you know, all those like very annoying things to do
26:20
Speaker 2: for yourself, and now you're trying to get someone else
26:22
Speaker 2: to do it. It's like, I can't even do that myself.
26:24
Speaker 3: As Annie makes these confessions, Janelle starts looking for Annie's
26:27
Speaker 3: parents in her chart.
26:29
Speaker 11: So I'm wondering if you and your mom have somewhat
26:31
Speaker 11: of a complicated relationship in terms of her larger than
26:34
Speaker 11: life presence can also feel kind of overbearing at times.
26:38
Speaker 11: And I don't know if this is something where one
26:40
Speaker 11: parent or both parents kind of thrown kind of like
26:42
Speaker 11: cold water on your dreams in a way, and you
26:44
Speaker 11: had to kind of fight to overcome that. But at
26:46
Speaker 11: the same time, there's some really great career stuff happening
26:49
Speaker 11: in your life.
26:50
Speaker 2: And today our company just got sold.
26:54
Speaker 11: You do have Jupiter and ares right now in the
26:56
Speaker 11: house of other people's money, so selling the business, so
26:59
Speaker 11: money that comes from the business, that's great, right, Yeah,
27:03
Speaker 11: But I do think financially it almost feels like in
27:06
Speaker 11: your chart right now, it feels like your money is
27:09
Speaker 11: disappearing in weird ways. No, not to make you scared,
27:14
Speaker 11: but if you're like, I don't know, like is it
27:16
Speaker 11: being siphoned off?
27:16
Speaker 3: Any had helped her parents out in a pinch, learning
27:19
Speaker 3: them money to buy a new car, but now they're
27:22
Speaker 3: probably going to need help with medical bills.
27:25
Speaker 2: I mean, the thing is, we have the money, but
27:29
Speaker 2: it's in solid gold form.
27:32
Speaker 11: You show up as someone who serves behind the scenes,
27:34
Speaker 11: or you do the work and no one really knows,
27:36
Speaker 11: and you know you're not getting a lot of praise
27:37
Speaker 11: for it. But that can also be a lot of
27:38
Speaker 11: frustration too.
27:39
Speaker 3: Janelle sympathizes with any but she also lets her know
27:42
Speaker 3: she's probably been here before.
27:45
Speaker 11: So for you, Saturn, moving into Pisces is going to
27:48
Speaker 11: be in your seventh house of relationships. So Saturn takes
27:51
Speaker 11: about thirty years to get around the wheel. You might
27:55
Speaker 11: want to think about, well, what was happening in nineteen
27:57
Speaker 11: ninety three to about ninety five ninety six, because this
28:00
Speaker 11: is a reup or redo of that story.
28:03
Speaker 2: Oh no, don't make me re live the nineties again.
28:07
Speaker 3: While Annie contemplates a time of too much flannel and
28:11
Speaker 3: bucket hats, Janelle focuses the conversation on Annie's life specifically,
28:17
Speaker 3: As it turns out, when Annie was in college, her
28:20
Speaker 3: mom was fighting off cancer.
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Speaker 11: Now we have thirty years, so mom's a little bit
28:24
Speaker 11: older now, right, So this might be a tougher go
28:26
Speaker 11: around because time has passed, and also timing is such
28:32
Speaker 11: if mom, and this is not to spook you anyway,
28:35
Speaker 11: but if mom chooses that she's raided to leave, that's
28:38
Speaker 11: not something that you can control either. Right.
28:43
Speaker 3: That line chooses to leave catches my ear, Janelle phrases
28:49
Speaker 3: it so delicately, it knocks me back.
28:52
Speaker 11: So this is a very big existential crisis kind of
28:55
Speaker 11: Saturn where we're just like what is life? Right?
28:57
Speaker 2: Like, why is life? Why is this happening?
29:00
Speaker 11: Like this is a situation that's gonna be very challenging
29:04
Speaker 11: emotionally for us. And are we going to lean into
29:06
Speaker 11: our analytical try to fix everything or are we just
29:08
Speaker 11: gonna feel it right?
29:09
Speaker 2: Right?
29:09
Speaker 11: Yeah, don't beat yourself up like this is not helpful, Annie,
29:13
Speaker 11: this is not constructive. Who cares? I'm tired, I'm sad.
29:17
Speaker 11: You know, I want to cry in bed today.
29:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, so if that.
29:21
Speaker 11: Comes up for you, try not to beat yourself up
29:23
Speaker 11: so much.
29:24
Speaker 10: Okay.
29:38
Speaker 3: Chapter five, She's a real beast, right, we got no stop.
29:53
Speaker 3: What do you think about when Mama and I get older?
29:57
Speaker 5: Hopefully I plan to start family or like, like you
30:03
Speaker 5: guys are my family, but I planned to get married
30:07
Speaker 5: and have a younger generation.
30:10
Speaker 3: You want to be a debt?
30:11
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely. I love kids.
30:14
Speaker 3: And what about what about with us? Like when we
30:19
Speaker 3: are Onima's age?
30:21
Speaker 4: I think we would definitely take care of you.
30:23
Speaker 5: And if you were like a name I got little
30:26
Speaker 5: money from, you would hire You're not only working anymore,
30:30
Speaker 5: we would probably give you a someth On's you guys
30:33
Speaker 5: get around retirement age, I'll be like, you do you
30:38
Speaker 5: well once you get over the age of seventy five?
30:41
Speaker 4: You guys give a couple of about my place.
30:44
Speaker 3: I smile when I hear this, and then I look
30:48
Speaker 3: around Henry and Ruby's messy room where we're taping. If
30:52
Speaker 3: I'm going to move in with them when I'm seventy five,
30:55
Speaker 3: we've got to teach them how to tidy up. Janelle's
31:00
Speaker 3: left the chat and I'm sitting with Annie for the debrief.
31:04
Speaker 3: I know Annie's a skeptic.
31:05
Speaker 2: I'm not like a big astrology person. I'm too virgo
31:09
Speaker 2: for that.
31:10
Speaker 3: And their reading was a little heavier than I was expecting,
31:14
Speaker 3: so I'm curious how she's feeling. Was there anything you
31:16
Speaker 3: heard that was surprising?
31:18
Speaker 2: I didn't know about like the thirty years coming back
31:22
Speaker 2: to things. I thought that was kind of bizarre and interesting.
31:26
Speaker 2: So like my mom having cancer, I'm like, oh yeah,
31:29
Speaker 2: and it's like coming back to her heart situation.
31:32
Speaker 3: Now in that period, did you have to be as
31:35
Speaker 3: present as you've been now?
31:38
Speaker 2: Not really, because at the time I was in college,
31:40
Speaker 2: so I didn't have the same responsibilities. They also like
31:46
Speaker 2: hit it for me, which is classic, classic Asian family.
31:51
Speaker 2: You just get a's at college, so I'm just not
31:54
Speaker 2: going to tell you that I'm like secretly in chemo
31:56
Speaker 2: and it's sucking for me.
31:57
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
31:58
Speaker 2: So I know, right, it's like the worst. Do that
32:00
Speaker 2: to your kids, please, So I think then I felt helpless.
32:06
Speaker 2: So this time around, I'm feeling a little too helpful.
32:10
Speaker 3: Parents hiding things from you to let you focus on
32:13
Speaker 3: your studies. Yeah, I know that all too well. When
32:21
Speaker 3: I was in college, my dad lost his job. My
32:24
Speaker 3: parents had never really saved for schooling, and when I
32:27
Speaker 3: found this out, I felt guilty about being at a
32:30
Speaker 3: school I knew my parents couldn't afford because I didn't
32:34
Speaker 3: really have a sense of how bad their finances were.
32:37
Speaker 4: At first, I.
32:38
Speaker 3: Knew they took loans. I took out loans. Later I
32:43
Speaker 3: found out they borrowed money from friends to make sure
32:45
Speaker 3: Shantha could get the same opportunity I did. It's incredible
32:49
Speaker 3: how they made things work and tried to give us
32:52
Speaker 3: a sense of normalcy. But more than that, they never
32:56
Speaker 3: pressured either of us to go into a field that
32:58
Speaker 3: would make a lot of money. They just wanted us
33:00
Speaker 3: to learn and grow and do something worthwhile with our lives.
33:05
Speaker 3: It's such a gift and a debt I'll never pay
33:09
Speaker 3: back in full.
33:18
Speaker 11: Mom being sick sucks, right, it's up the first time.
33:20
Speaker 11: It sucks the second time. It's annoying, it's frustrating, it's scary.
33:24
Speaker 3: I was so worried that Annie would feel like the
33:26
Speaker 3: challenges ahead were insurmountable, but she took it in stride
33:32
Speaker 3: from talking to her parents about finances and what to
33:36
Speaker 3: do with all this gold.
33:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, you can't like go to Kaiser
33:40
Speaker 2: and be like, hey, here's a bully on Like, I
33:42
Speaker 2: don't know how much it's worth that.
33:44
Speaker 3: Annie is so resilient. It's hardening to me. My real
33:49
Speaker 3: worry is that Annie knows she can deal with her mom.
33:51
Speaker 2: She's a real beast. Yeah, I have no doubt that
33:54
Speaker 2: she'll like come out of this, you know, a new
33:58
Speaker 2: person or better, stronger, healthier, new heart who dis lady.
34:04
Speaker 3: But her dad's another story. They don't see eye to eye.
34:08
Speaker 3: And while we never explicitly asked Janelle to tell us
34:11
Speaker 3: who might die first, the thing I heard in the
34:14
Speaker 3: reading was Janelle bracing Annie for the worst.
34:17
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, like, my dad has to die first.
34:20
Speaker 2: My mom literally does everything. I think I just need
34:23
Speaker 2: to like get him to start smoking again or you know,
34:26
Speaker 2: like yeah that like you should get in and out.
34:31
Speaker 2: I don't know what else to do this because I've
34:33
Speaker 2: never met an adult man more ill prepared to live
34:38
Speaker 2: in a penalty in my life.
34:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, the truth is, I don't think the years ahead
34:43
Speaker 3: are going to be easy for Annie.
34:45
Speaker 7: My responsibility is something you should do.
34:51
Speaker 3: There's so many health concerns that will ultimately land on
34:54
Speaker 3: our plate. There's so much stuff in that garage. There's
34:58
Speaker 3: a lot of gold Locate, you.
35:01
Speaker 2: Know, Crane Zone everything. I'm happy, I'm having a great time,
35:05
Speaker 2: such an Instagram influencer thing, which I do not get,
35:09
Speaker 2: like look at my great life. What I do is like,
35:11
Speaker 2: look how shitty my life is right now. I'm look
35:14
Speaker 2: at this piece of trash I found, you know, in
35:17
Speaker 2: my mom's house, Like look at this, Like that's like
35:21
Speaker 2: my whole vibe.
35:25
Speaker 3: Chapter six. I can't make you happy, I can't make
35:29
Speaker 3: you sad. That night, when my sister and I were together,
35:37
Speaker 3: the conversation slipped towards my dad. I mean, how could
35:41
Speaker 3: it not. We told each other little things my dad
35:45
Speaker 3: had revealed in the hospital and his moments of weakness
35:49
Speaker 3: on those last few days. That's when she told me this.
35:54
Speaker 9: Yet it was at that point I was trying to
35:56
Speaker 9: get him to go to the bathroom.
35:58
Speaker 6: Dad, you should probably try and go to the bath
36:00
Speaker 6: I can help you up and you have to walk
36:01
Speaker 6: and whatever. And I was like, kind of mom had
36:03
Speaker 6: told me to be a little pushy, so it's like
36:04
Speaker 6: trying to get him to do it.
36:07
Speaker 9: And he looked to me and he was like, I can't.
36:09
Speaker 6: Make you happy and I can't make you sad.
36:13
Speaker 3: My dad was an incredibly sweet and good natured man,
36:17
Speaker 3: but he could be hard to read. He didn't like
36:20
Speaker 3: to talk about the past. Most of what my sister
36:24
Speaker 3: and I know about his childhood isn't gleaned from him
36:27
Speaker 3: or even my mom. It's stories we've stitched together from
36:32
Speaker 3: family members in India. How he was so smart that
36:36
Speaker 3: he went to college at age twelve. How he was
36:39
Speaker 3: a really good table tennis player and used to be
36:42
Speaker 3: a practice partner for some of Bombay's top talent. How
36:46
Speaker 3: he starred in college radio plays and was a backup
36:50
Speaker 3: singer and a Rolling Stones cover bin. I mean, the
36:53
Speaker 3: stories were wild and funny and going to India. Hearing
36:58
Speaker 3: these anecdotes, it all brought us closer to him. When
37:03
Speaker 3: we used to ask my dad about these tales, which
37:06
Speaker 3: honestly felt like fiction to us, he'd kind of laugh
37:10
Speaker 3: and reluctantly admit they had happened, or he changed the subject.
37:15
Speaker 3: But if he didn't talk about his achievements, he definitely
37:18
Speaker 3: didn't talk about his hardships, how lost he was without
37:22
Speaker 3: a mom, how he felt abandoned at boarding schools, how
37:27
Speaker 3: once he came to the US to get a PhD.
37:30
Speaker 3: He kept pushing off going back to Goa to take
37:33
Speaker 3: over the family businesses, the once my grandfather had worked
37:37
Speaker 3: so hard to build for his family. My dad resented
37:41
Speaker 3: these businesses for taking up all my grandfather's attention. I
37:46
Speaker 3: could imagine his loneliness, that there were deep pockets of
37:49
Speaker 3: sadness we just never saw or understood, because my dad's
37:54
Speaker 3: way of dealing with sadness wasn't to yell or to
37:57
Speaker 3: act out or to share, but just to go quiet.
38:03
Speaker 6: And I said, Dad, I'm not sad about anything, and
38:06
Speaker 6: he was like, no, Shanta, I can't make you happy
38:09
Speaker 6: and I can't make you sad. And I was like no, Dad, like,
38:12
Speaker 6: I'm just asking you to go to the bathroom. It's
38:15
Speaker 6: gonna be okay.
38:16
Speaker 3: But Chanta knows what he means. He's clearly not talking
38:19
Speaker 3: about the bathroom.
38:20
Speaker 6: And I was trying to think like an analogy, you know,
38:22
Speaker 6: to help him put into perspectives.
38:24
Speaker 4: I was like, Dad, when your dad died, it was
38:27
Speaker 4: probably pretty hard for you.
38:28
Speaker 6: You were okay, and you bounced back and life goes
38:31
Speaker 6: on and you're gonna be okay. So I was like, yeah,
38:33
Speaker 6: I'll be sad when you die, but you know it'll
38:35
Speaker 6: be okay.
38:36
Speaker 3: My dad, who could be so tight lipped in that moment,
38:40
Speaker 3: and he's like, no.
38:41
Speaker 9: Shaanpa, my dad died. I was sad and I was happy.
38:47
Speaker 6: I was sad because he was gone, but I was
38:49
Speaker 6: happy because I could never make him happy.
38:54
Speaker 9: And that was really heartbreaking.
38:56
Speaker 3: The thing that's only occurred to me since having children
38:59
Speaker 3: is as a parent, you prioritize what you didn't get
39:03
Speaker 3: from your parents, and you discount the things you did.
39:08
Speaker 3: And for whatever shortcomings my dad might have had, he
39:11
Speaker 3: never hesitated to show us love. He couldn't walk past
39:15
Speaker 3: us without tussling our hair or kissing our heads. He
39:20
Speaker 3: attended every recital and performance and tournament. He could, and
39:25
Speaker 3: when we surprised him with a trophy or an award
39:28
Speaker 3: or some ridiculous invention, we glued and duct taped together.
39:34
Speaker 3: He didn't always say much, but he deemed with pride.
39:41
Speaker 3: That day in the hospital, Shanta took the opportunity to.
39:45
Speaker 6: Tell him, my dad, you know, whether you tell us
39:49
Speaker 6: or not, whether you say it out loud, I know
39:51
Speaker 6: you're proud of us, and I know you're proud among ish.
39:54
Speaker 9: I know you're proud of me. And he shok his
39:56
Speaker 9: head and he said love.
40:00
Speaker 3: That moment got me wondering do we show our kids
40:03
Speaker 3: enough love? Do they know how much they mean to us?
40:08
Speaker 3: Do you think you and Henry make me and Mama proud?
40:13
Speaker 4: Yeah? I do.
40:15
Speaker 5: I do think we do. Thank you God. It's like
40:19
Speaker 5: also like a Jew's father was a hard parent.
40:22
Speaker 3: A Jew is what my kids call my dad. It's
40:25
Speaker 3: a company word for grandfather.
40:27
Speaker 5: Like his mom died at a very young age, but
40:30
Speaker 5: his dad was just like, oh, you look like my wife,
40:33
Speaker 5: but you know I can't have you around here.
40:36
Speaker 3: I've forgotten about this until Ruby mentioned it. It's true.
40:41
Speaker 3: My grandmother who I never met and died just a
40:43
Speaker 3: year after my father was born. Famously had this warm
40:48
Speaker 3: and magnetic personality. My granddad was so in love with
40:52
Speaker 3: her he could never bring himself to remarry, and her
40:57
Speaker 3: face haunted him. He could see her in the children,
41:01
Speaker 3: and as much as my grandfather loved my dad and
41:03
Speaker 3: his sister, his heart broke over and over each time
41:08
Speaker 3: he looked at them.
41:09
Speaker 5: So I think if you had like a dad like you,
41:13
Speaker 5: he definitely would have felt like the way you mean,
41:15
Speaker 5: Hanno did, were like, we do feel like we've lived
41:18
Speaker 5: up to the expucitations, and we do feel like.
41:21
Speaker 4: We've made you fad.
41:23
Speaker 3: As I talked with my kids about life about my dad,
41:28
Speaker 3: it became apparent how I'm not the only one feeling
41:31
Speaker 3: the loss. In fact, Henry still wears a shirt that
41:35
Speaker 3: says a Jew power. This T shirt my father in
41:39
Speaker 3: law made for all of us to raise my dad's spirits.
41:43
Speaker 3: What does that mean to you?
41:45
Speaker 5: So my grandpa on my other side made a T
41:51
Speaker 5: shirt for my grandpa who was.
41:55
Speaker 4: Dying from cancer, and I love that shirt. Guys. My
42:05
Speaker 4: grandpa was a great man.
42:09
Speaker 7: And that shirt showed we were there for him. He
42:19
Speaker 7: is now deceased, but hopefully he's looking down at us.
42:28
Speaker 7: I'm looking at that shirt.
42:32
Speaker 4: And uh he's happy.
42:36
Speaker 3: Henriam. I love you so much, kid.
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Speaker 4: I love you too.
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Speaker 8: Out the Deep by your team, the Bigger, the Hot,
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Speaker 8: the Deep, by the strong, the oh, lousing, not bad, losing, bad, Bush, Sway.
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Speaker 2: Sad.
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Speaker 3: Skyline Drive is a production of Kaleidoscope and iHeart Podcast.
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Speaker 3: This show is hosted and written by me Mungas s articular.
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Speaker 3: But I'm hoping you know by now a show is
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Speaker 3: not one person, and so I've got a million people
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Speaker 3: to thank. Mary Philip Sandy is our incredible supervising producer.
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for finding Annie Mary Mitsha. He
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Speaker 3: somehow made time to produce for us in between dealing
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Speaker 3: with her frisky new puppy. Mark A. Lotto is the
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Speaker 3: very best story editor. Even though he cut a really
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Speaker 3: funny story about hearing aids, I am not holding a
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Speaker 3: grudge against it. This episode was also produced and mixed
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Speaker 3: by the insanely talented Anna Rubinova, who sat with me
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Speaker 3: through way too many video sessions. Scoring as always for Botany.
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Speaker 3: Everyone who's upset that they don't know where to find
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Speaker 3: the show's theme song, check out Botany's SoundCloud. Thank my kiddos,
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Speaker 3: Henry and Ruby for being pretty great kids, and for
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Speaker 3: my parents in law John and Betty for making and
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Speaker 3: sending those Ajupower t shirts that really meant a lot
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Speaker 3: to us. As you heard the warning. For some reason,
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Speaker 3: Rachel Kong, the incredible writer behind Goodbye Vitamin, which is
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Speaker 3: one of my favorite books, agreed to do our warning.
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Speaker 3: Her beautiful book about parents and kids and memory and
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Speaker 3: forgiveness is out. You should go pick it up today.
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Speaker 3: Gotta thank my friends Azati Records, Mumbai's dopest label. Also
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Speaker 3: my brother Himanshu Suri for lending us his tunes and
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Speaker 3: Kaju Suri, the most fashionable dog out in Strong Island.
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Speaker 3: Special thanks to my pals p and Jay for motor sales.
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Speaker 3: Their song closes out this episode. Thank you to my
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Speaker 3: sister Shanta articular for getting on Mike and sharing more
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Speaker 3: than maybe she wanted. And also doctor Gupta, who is
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Speaker 3: an extraordinary Obijiym Additional production and research support from the
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Speaker 3: wonderful through Chevarrao, Lizzie Jacobs, my very understanding wife, someone
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Speaker 3: park Lane in the fast Lane, Buckshie, and my sweetheart
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Speaker 3: of a cousin Argent Buckshie. The show is executive produced
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Speaker 3: from iHeart by my good pals Nikki E Tour and
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Speaker 3: Kashina Norvell. Also got to thank my wonderful partners from
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Speaker 3: Kaleidoscope who have been so supportive oswell listen Kate Osborne,
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Speaker 3: Costas Linos and Vami Shory. Special thanks to Ali Nathan Connell,
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Speaker 3: Will and Bob at iHeart for getting behind this show,
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Speaker 3: Barkley and Sarah, Rachel and Rinz, my family everywhere, and
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Speaker 3: as always a big thank you to my Alma and
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Speaker 3: my dad, Lalitha and Umesh who I thank my lucky
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Speaker 3: stars for thank you for very with me and thank
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Speaker 3: you for listening