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Charlie Kirk's Memorial-Sparking Revival & Spreading the Gospel Worldwide · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome.
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  Speaker 2: It is Verdict with Center Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with
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  Speaker 2: you and Senator Cruz and I. We just returned after
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  Speaker 2: the funeral of Charlie Kirk. Today was I think maybe
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  Speaker 2: one of the most incredible things I've ever witnessed in
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  Speaker 2: my life. And I'm saying that going to memorial service,
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  Speaker 2: but Centata, I think you probably feel the exact same
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  Speaker 2: way that I do that this was a day where
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  Speaker 2: I feel blessed. I feel honored that we were able
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  Speaker 2: to be there to be a part of it. I
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  Speaker 2: feel like I am watching a revival take place that
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  Speaker 2: is so much bigger than politics, and I think what
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  Speaker 2: we've witnessed today was the start of something that could
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  Speaker 2: transform this country. They're now saying over a hundred million
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  Speaker 2: was the number of streams coming out of this event,
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  Speaker 2: and well over two hundred thousand people showed up, the
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  Speaker 2: majority of them without a ticket to go to the
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  Speaker 2: memorial service. It was incredible.
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  Speaker 3: It was extraordinary.
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  Speaker 4: Man.
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  Speaker 3: It is right now, twelve nineteen a Sunday night, early
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  Speaker 3: Monday morning. You and I spent the entire day in
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  Speaker 3: Arizona at the memorial service for Charlie Kirk, and I
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  Speaker 3: got to say, this was a powerful day. It was powerful.
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  Speaker 3: Number one, we were grieving our friend. Both you and
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  Speaker 3: I knew Charlie really well. I talked to him not
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  Speaker 3: many weeks ago. You know, I met him when he
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  Speaker 3: was eighteen years old. And the last two weeks have
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  Speaker 3: been a hard week. You and I both watched our
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  Speaker 3: friend murdered on live video online, and the agony we
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  Speaker 3: felt was felt without ipurbole, by millions of Americans who
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  Speaker 3: Charlie had touched. So there was grief, there was grieving,
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  Speaker 3: But I got to tell you, as much as there
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  Speaker 3: was grief, and then there were certainly tears. There were
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  Speaker 3: tears for Erica, the tears for his two children that
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  Speaker 3: will never know their daddy. But today, the the atmosphere,
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  Speaker 3: more than anything, was one of celebration. It was one
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  Speaker 3: of celebrating a life well lived. It was one of
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  Speaker 3: celebrating a legacy, an example. You know, I got to say,
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  Speaker 3: none of us know when we will go. We don't
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  Speaker 3: know if we'll be here tomorrow. We don't know if
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  Speaker 3: we'll be here in ten years and twenty years, in
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  Speaker 3: fifty years. But I will tell you there's not a
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  Speaker 3: one of us who wouldn't hope to be remembered the
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  Speaker 3: way Charlie was today. Yeah, I mean, what a life
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  Speaker 3: well lived and what a celebration. And you mentioned revival.
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  Speaker 3: That was a term that was used over and over
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  Speaker 3: and over again by speakers today, and there was a
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  Speaker 3: feel of revival. There was a feel, you know. I
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  Speaker 3: saw the Babylon Bee had a story today about the
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  Speaker 3: devil saying, uh oh, I went too far. And I
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  Speaker 3: gotta say it is amazing.
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  Speaker 5: You know.
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  Speaker 3: Earlier today, Charlie Kirk's producer of his podcast sent out
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  Speaker 3: a tweet and the tweet said, I was just told
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  Speaker 3: that we have more press interest in sunday celebration of
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  Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk's life and legacy than there is for the
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  Speaker 3: Super Bowl. The gospel of Jesus Christ is about to
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  Speaker 3: be proclaimed to the largest audience in the history of humanity.
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  Speaker 3: To God be the Glory. And I got to say.
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  Speaker 3: A friend of mine who's a pastor, he texted that
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  Speaker 3: to me, and I just said, Amen, God is sovereign
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  Speaker 3: and God is good. And look, none of us know
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  Speaker 3: why God allowed this deranged killer to take Charlie's life,
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  Speaker 3: to take it too early, to take it at just
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  Speaker 3: age thirty. One, but I have to say it is
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  Speaker 3: breath taking number one. I think it is very likely
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  Speaker 3: that in the last two weeks more people have listened
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  Speaker 3: to Charlie Kirk then listened in his entire life. It
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  Speaker 3: has been amazing, the penetration and and and this was
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  Speaker 3: it did It felt like a Billy Graham revival. And
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  Speaker 3: and and the degree to which you know, I'll tell
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  Speaker 3: you Friday night, I was at a youth summit in
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  Speaker 3: Texas and two to three thousand young people came out
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  Speaker 3: to it. The attendance more than doubled what it typically was,
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  Speaker 3: and it ended up being just a remembrance of Charlie Kirk.
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  Speaker 3: And I spoke at it. I'll tell you. At the beginning,
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  Speaker 3: a pastor preached and about two hundred young people gave
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  Speaker 3: their lives to Christ at a gathering.
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  Speaker 1: Incredible.
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  Speaker 3: It's incredible in Texas on a Friday night, and that
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  Speaker 3: it was staggering. This you know, this was in the
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  Speaker 3: football Stadium in Phoenix, Arizona. It's a huge stadium. People
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  Speaker 3: started showing up at four and four thirty in the
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  Speaker 3: morning to line up to get in. And if you
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  Speaker 3: were there, I ran into people who were there by
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  Speaker 3: eight am they didn't get in. The program started at eleven.
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  Speaker 3: If you showed up at eight, you didn't make it in.
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  Speaker 3: And the over one hundred million views is astonishing and
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  Speaker 3: powerful and I think transformational. The Gospel was proclaimed to
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  Speaker 3: millions today, and I think a lot of people in
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  Speaker 3: the United States and across the world are listening to
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  Speaker 3: what is said and are are moved. And you know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm reminded of of Jesus in the New Testament. Gives
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  Speaker 3: the parallel of the parable, and gives the parable of
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  Speaker 3: sowing seeds, and sowing seeds is spreading the gospel. And
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  Speaker 3: some of the seeds fall on rocky soil, some of
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  Speaker 3: the seeds are eaten by birds, but some of the
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  Speaker 3: seeds fall in fertile ground, and and and they take root,
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  Speaker 3: and they bear fruit, and and not everyone who watched
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  Speaker 3: and listened to the service today is going to have
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  Speaker 3: their life transformed, but about I think an astonishing number
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  Speaker 3: are And and I pray and I think you do too,
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  Speaker 3: that that that revival comes from this, that that that
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  Speaker 3: Charlie's death becomes a moment, particularly for young people, for
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  Speaker 3: young people to say, you know what what he had?
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  Speaker 3: I want my life to I want that kind of piece.
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  Speaker 3: I want that satisfaction. I want the joy of getting
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  Speaker 3: married and having kids and having a life where I'm
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  Speaker 3: a husband and a father and and and I know
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  Speaker 3: that that that that God loves me, and and I
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  Speaker 3: have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. And I think
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  Speaker 3: Charlie's life was a powerful testament to that. But I
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  Speaker 3: think Charlie's death may have been an even more powerful
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  Speaker 3: testament to.
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  Speaker 1: That, no doubt.
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  Speaker 2: And I want to paint a picture for people that
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  Speaker 2: weren't there, so you understand. Many of you, we know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure watched online, as we know from the number
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  Speaker 2: of streams.
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  Speaker 1: It's just incredible.
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  Speaker 2: But from the moment that I left Houston, you and
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  Speaker 2: I flew separately, and I was flying in to when
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  Speaker 2: we touched down in Arizona, amazing grace broke out on
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  Speaker 2: the plane and I was able.
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  Speaker 3: To play that video because that video is beautiful, to
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  Speaker 3: describe it, paint the scene, and then play the video.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we landed, and it was a organic moment that
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  Speaker 2: You're a United flight.
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  Speaker 1: United.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is not Southwest is the best way I
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  Speaker 2: can describe it. This is a United flight. This is
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  Speaker 2: not normal on a United flight and it just started
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  Speaker 2: and I'm going to play it for you because you're
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  Speaker 2: going to hear the very end of what what what
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  Speaker 2: I was able to witness, which was just incredible, And
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  Speaker 2: I grabbed my phone out because I was I wanted
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  Speaker 2: to just share it. And it was as we landed,
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  Speaker 2: and it was just people singing, amazing grace on a
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  Speaker 2: United flight number one. What a testimony to to everyone.
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  Speaker 2: Incredible testimony from just a standpoint of the flight attendants
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  Speaker 2: and in the in the the there was there was
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  Speaker 2: I think it was pretty clear there was tears in
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  Speaker 2: the eyes of one of the pilots when we were
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  Speaker 2: walking off the plane and the people were singing, and
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  Speaker 2: I want to play it for you, and it went
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  Speaker 2: viral yesterday and then Fox News played it this morning
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  Speaker 2: when I was on. They put it up on Fox
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  Speaker 2: News dot Com and it's hit millions and millions of views,
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  Speaker 2: and that just tells you the power I think of
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  Speaker 2: of Charlie's legacy. But but listen to this on the plane.
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  Speaker 2: It was amazing.
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  Speaker 5: For Charley.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you can.
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  Speaker 2: Hear it there and it was it was a moment
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  Speaker 2: that I'm thankful I was able to capture on video.
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  Speaker 1: But that was the mood. And I think the other thing.
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  Speaker 2: You got up early this morning and you went to
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  Speaker 2: the stadium to do Maria's show. I got up early
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  Speaker 2: as well and was going to go do Fox beforehand.
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  Speaker 2: The number of people that were at the stadium without
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  Speaker 2: a ticket, that just on blind faith, because they felt
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  Speaker 2: like they just needed to be there.
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  Speaker 1: They just went and they were going.
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  Speaker 3: To get idium at six in the morning, and there
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  Speaker 3: was a line of people. It wasn't one or two,
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  Speaker 3: it was a steady line. And you know what, it
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  Speaker 3: looked like the Super Bowl. It looked like the Final
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  Speaker 3: Four or if you know, any major sporting event, except
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  Speaker 3: this was at six in the morning, and it was
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  Speaker 3: a constant line of people just walking to the stadium.
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  Speaker 3: They wanted to pay their respects to Charlie. They wanted
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  Speaker 3: to honor his legacy. They wanted to give thanks, give
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  Speaker 3: thanks for a life well lived. And and and that
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  Speaker 3: that that was incredibly impactful. And I will say we
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  Speaker 3: heard a lot of really powerful remarks, a lineup of
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  Speaker 3: one after the other after the other. I will say,
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  Speaker 3: by far, the most impactful speech was from Erica Kirk,
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  Speaker 3: Charlie's widow, And and you and I we were sitting
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  Speaker 3: next to each other in the memorial and we both
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  Speaker 3: looked at each other and said the same thing. When
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  Speaker 3: she finished, we just said wow, like it was.
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  Speaker 1: It was.
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  Speaker 3: It actually reminded me of years ago. If you remember
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  Speaker 3: Ben Carson's speech at the National Prayer Breakfast, that he
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  Speaker 3: gave a speech or the Obama presidency and it went
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  Speaker 3: viral nationally and it it launched Ben Carson and it
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  Speaker 3: it made him a national superstar. Erica's speech had had
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  Speaker 3: that power. And I think for a lot of people
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  Speaker 3: who had never seen her before that they were turning
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  Speaker 3: on their TV, they were opening their phone or their computer.
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  Speaker 3: The strength it took to give that speech less than
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  Speaker 3: two weeks after you've lost your husband, less than two
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  Speaker 3: weeks after you've lost the father of your kids, it
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  Speaker 3: boggles the mind. And you could see her before she
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  Speaker 3: went up, just stopping and just just praying, God give
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  Speaker 3: me the strength to make it through this, and and
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  Speaker 3: and and she was so openly relying on on on
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  Speaker 3: God's strength. That's that's part of what made it so
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  Speaker 3: unbelievably powerful. I'll tell you at the beginning, she made
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  Speaker 3: a really important point, a point distinguishing what the reaction
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  Speaker 3: was across American across the world to Charlie's murder compared
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  Speaker 3: to something like like George Floyd being killed and and
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  Speaker 3: and the riots and everything that played out. Give a
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  Speaker 3: listen to what Erica Kirk said on this point.
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  Speaker 5: Most of all, God's mercy and God's love have been
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  Speaker 5: real revealed to me these past ten days after Charlie's assassination.
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  Speaker 5: We didn't see violence, we didn't see rioting, we didn't
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  Speaker 5: see revolution. Instead, we saw what my husband always prayed
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  Speaker 5: he would see in this country. We saw revival.
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  Speaker 2: You know when she walked up there, I was choked up. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you were, and I think.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone the tears in their eyes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was how is she going to do this?
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  Speaker 2: You and I had the conversation. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: I could have done that. And we do this for
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  Speaker 2: a living.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you and I speak a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's part of I think, just watching God work
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  Speaker 2: in that room. I walked to that room earlier in
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  Speaker 2: the day, you and I. You came back after Maria
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  Speaker 2: and I left early because we knew it was just
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  Speaker 2: there were so many people there. I abandoned the car
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  Speaker 2: and walked a mile and a half just trying to
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  Speaker 2: get into the stadium and seeing all the people that
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  Speaker 2: weren't going to get in, and they were joyful, they
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  Speaker 2: weren't angry, they were praying.
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  Speaker 1: I saw groups holding hand.
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  Speaker 3: There's a whole second stadium filled with people watching it
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  Speaker 3: that we're just watching it on TV.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I walked in.
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  Speaker 2: I finally got inside and was meeting one of the
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  Speaker 2: Fox producers to get down to the risers, and they
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  Speaker 2: were singing the worship music that you and I hear
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  Speaker 2: at church when we go on Sundays before the pastor speaks.
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  Speaker 2: I literally on Fox, and I'm not a crier, but
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  Speaker 2: like talking about now it's even because this has been
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  Speaker 2: an incredible and a sad but amazing day. I told
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  Speaker 2: them on air. I was like, I've never felt in
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  Speaker 2: my life the Holy Spirit's presence and the way that
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  Speaker 2: I felt it today. Ever, and I'm forty three and
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  Speaker 2: I've been to some pretty cool, amazing Christian events, promise
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  Speaker 2: keepers and different things that you've been to. It was
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  Speaker 2: a feeling I will never forget. And it was very
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  Speaker 2: clear that God's presence were there. And if you were
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  Speaker 2: in that room, and I hope if you were watching
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  Speaker 2: it on TV, you felt it too, because what she
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  Speaker 2: was able to do was by the grace of God,
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  Speaker 2: who gave her the power and the strength to do it,
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  Speaker 2: because on your own no one could do that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely that There was one portion of her speech
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  Speaker 3: that I think will go down as the most memorable,
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  Speaker 3: the most consequential, and the most profound. And I want
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  Speaker 3: you to just just to listen to it, because, to
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  Speaker 3: be honest, if you heard nothing else that happened today
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  Speaker 3: at Charlie Kirk's memorial, Sir at her service, hear these
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  Speaker 3: two minutes, because this was the entirety of the service
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  Speaker 3: boiled down in two minutes.
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  Speaker 5: My husband, Charlie, he wanted to save young men just
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  Speaker 5: like the one who took his life, that young man.
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  Speaker 1: That young man on the cross.
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  Speaker 5: Our Savior said, Father, forgive them, for they not know
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  Speaker 5: what they do.
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  Speaker 4: That man, that young man, I forgive him.
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  Speaker 5: I forgive him because it was what Christ did and
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  Speaker 5: is what Charlie would do. The answer to hate is
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  Speaker 5: not hate. The answer we know from the Gospel is
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  Speaker 5: love and always love, love for our enemies, and love
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  Speaker 5: for those who persecute us.
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  Speaker 2: You and I were there on the second row watching
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  Speaker 2: those words, and you and I talked about it afterwards.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if I could have done that that quickly.
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  Speaker 2: I know God says that we're supposed to forgive those
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  Speaker 2: who have wronged us. But you want to talk about
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  Speaker 2: a ministry to the world in that moment. If you
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  Speaker 2: are not a Christian, you have to be asking yourself
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  Speaker 2: a question. What is it that she has that I
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  Speaker 2: don't How could she forgive in this moment? And why
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  Speaker 2: would Charlie want her to forgive? Give after what happened
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  Speaker 2: to Charlie. It doesn't mean that we don't want justice,
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  Speaker 2: but wow, look.
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  Speaker 3: When when she said that I had tears in my eyes,
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  Speaker 3: you had tears in your eyes. Every one of us
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  Speaker 3: one hundred thousand people had tears in her eyes. And
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  Speaker 3: when she started on that, when she referenced Jesus on
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  Speaker 3: the Cross, I d I knew where it was going,
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  Speaker 3: and I knew what she was planning to say, and
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  Speaker 3: I act she was holding my breath for because look, you
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  Speaker 3: just you and I both had this conversation spontaneously walking out.
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  Speaker 3: I I I to be honest, I don't think I
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  Speaker 3: could say that I I I would want to, it
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  Speaker 3: would be the right thing to do to do. I like,
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  Speaker 3: I cannot imagine being in the situation she is in
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  Speaker 3: and getting those words out, not just breaking down, not
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  Speaker 3: breaking down with rage, breaking down with tears and in
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  Speaker 3: it was. It was the Holy Spirit that helped her
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  Speaker 3: get that out, because there's no there is not a
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  Speaker 3: human strength that can say that. And one of the
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  Speaker 3: amazing things. I mean, we talked a minute ago about
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  Speaker 3: this being one of, if not the largest presentation of
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  Speaker 3: the Gospel in history. What you just said, you and
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  Speaker 3: I talked about there are millions of people who watch
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  Speaker 3: this who are not Christians who have to have said,
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  Speaker 3: where did that come from? I don't understand why would
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  Speaker 3: you forgive someone who murdered your husband? Yeah, and that
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  Speaker 3: I hope and pray and believe that it caused many
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  Speaker 3: people to say, you know, maybe I should ask a
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  Speaker 3: few more questions about about Jesus. Maybe I should go
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  Speaker 3: read the Bible. Maybe did Jesus really say on the cross, Father,
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  Speaker 3: forgive them for they know not what they do? Why
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  Speaker 3: would he say that when they were murdering him? That's
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  Speaker 3: what Jesus said, is he was nailed to the cross
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  Speaker 3: as he was hanging there dying. Yeah, Jesus asked God
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  Speaker 3: to forgive the people who killed him, and it was
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  Speaker 3: you know, I'll tell you. I saw on Twitter a
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  Speaker 3: tweet from a woman named Sanna Ibrahemi, and I don't
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  Speaker 3: don't know her, but this, this tweet struck struck me.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just gonna read it to you. I retweeted it.
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  Speaker 3: I listened to Erica Kirk's full speech at the memorial,
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  Speaker 3: and I want to share a few thoughts that came
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  Speaker 3: to me while live streaming the event. This is not political. First,
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  Speaker 3: I should say that I grew up as a Muslim
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  Speaker 3: in a Muslim country. I don't know enough about Christianity
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  Speaker 3: to say if what I witnessed is rooted in faith
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  Speaker 3: or culture. But what struck me most is how, even
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  Speaker 3: though death is heavy and this was by nature a
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  Speaker 3: sad occasion, the entire event carried a celebratory spirit that
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  Speaker 3: honored life. That contrast hit me deeply. In Islam, even
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  Speaker 3: though we believe that good people go to heaven, the
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  Speaker 3: relationship with God is taught through fear. Funerals are overwhelmingly sad,
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  Speaker 3: often filled with warnings of the terrifying first night in
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  Speaker 3: the grave. Growing up hearing that and then witnessing people's
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  Speaker 3: celebrate life, speak of God's love and remember some one
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  Speaker 3: through the impact he had on others, it felt so
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  Speaker 3: refreshing and positive. Second, I was profoundly moved by Erica
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  Speaker 3: Kirk's words. I cannot fathom the strength it takes to
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  Speaker 3: stand and deliver such a meaningful speech after losing the
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  Speaker 3: love of your life, but even more than that, the
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  Speaker 3: grace it takes to forgive the very person who destroyed
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  Speaker 3: your world. I cannot imagine myself standing on a stage
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  Speaker 3: sending love to those who cheered your husband's murder, or
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  Speaker 3: inviting others to spread God's love in response, because, as
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  Speaker 3: she said, we do not respond to hate with hate.
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  Speaker 3: That is powerful beyond words. Again, I am ignorant when
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  Speaker 3: it comes to Christianity, but if this is what it
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  Speaker 3: truly embodies, then I'm envious of those who get to
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  Speaker 3: experience that feeling. I think this young lady is not alone,
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  Speaker 3: and I think that message touched millions, and I got
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  Speaker 3: to say it was an incredible privilege to be there
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  Speaker 3: and witness it firsthand and be part of I think,
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  Speaker 3: what is a significant moment in the history of America
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  Speaker 3: and maybe the history of the world.
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  Speaker 2: One of the things I think that is so cool
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  Speaker 2: that came out of this that is just something that
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  Speaker 2: no one could have planned, is how many people are
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  Speaker 2: now sharing their own faith and sharing the gospel. You
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  Speaker 2: and I have talked more about our faith on this
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  Speaker 2: podcast in the last two weeks than we have ever before.
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  Speaker 2: And it's not that we're to talk about our faith,
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  Speaker 2: but we talk a lot about what's happening in the
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  Speaker 2: world in politics.
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  Speaker 1: JD Vance said.
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  Speaker 3: Yea, and that was something really profound. JD said as
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  Speaker 3: he said that he often felt uncomfortable talking about faith,
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  Speaker 3: and he made the same comment that he's talked more
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  Speaker 3: about faith in the last two weeks than he has
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  Speaker 3: probably in his entire life.
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  Speaker 1: And I mean even this morning.
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  Speaker 2: I had two times I was on Fox this morning
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  Speaker 2: before the before it started, and the entire conversation was
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  Speaker 2: not about politics.
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  Speaker 1: The entire conversation was about faith.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that his life being taken has given the opportunity
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  Speaker 2: for all of us to share faith, and I think
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  Speaker 2: in a more bold way, in a more proud way,
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  Speaker 2: and a more I'm not afraid to share my faith.
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  Speaker 2: I think sometimes I think I'm in the world of politics,
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  Speaker 2: and that's maybe not my place to be doing that
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  Speaker 2: as much. I'm going to change my mentality on that,
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  Speaker 2: I think forever moving forward.
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  Speaker 3: And I can think of a very few sentiments that
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  Speaker 3: would make Charlie happier than that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was the whole time. It was about faith.
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  Speaker 2: If you look at today, I also think one of
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  Speaker 2: the most incredible things was you and I were sitting
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  Speaker 2: there with the most powerful people in the world, certainly
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  Speaker 2: in the conservative movement where we're all in the political world,
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  Speaker 2: and the entire thing was about God. I've never seen
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  Speaker 2: that before. I've never been a part.
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  Speaker 1: Of that before.
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  Speaker 6: No, And.
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  Speaker 3: At the very end, President Trump spoke and he gave
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  Speaker 3: I think, very good remarks. But I want you to
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  Speaker 3: listen to what he said, in particular about Erica and
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  Speaker 3: her testimony. Here here, give a listen.
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  Speaker 6: Did Charlie's incredible and beautiful widow, Erica. We know the
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  Speaker 6: weight of this monumental loss is almost unbearable, But even
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  Speaker 6: in the midst of heartache, pain too great to even fathom,
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  Speaker 6: you have somehow found the strength and deep faith to
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  Speaker 6: be a comfort to millions and millions of people. And
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  Speaker 6: thank you very much, Erica, Thank you very much.
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  Speaker 2: You and I have seen Donald Trump give a lot
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  Speaker 2: of speeches. This was one of the most I think, somber,
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  Speaker 2: sincere and one of the most incredible speeches I think
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  Speaker 2: by Donald Trump that had nothing to really do with him.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and President Trump knew Charlie, Well, Charlie has spent
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  Speaker 3: a lot lot He's rattled by it. Charlie, Charlie in
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: the twenty sixteen campaign was Don Junior's body man. He
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: traveled with Don Junior all over the country. And Charlie
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: helped mobilize young people for the twenty sixteen election. He
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: helped mobilize young people for the twenty twenty election. He
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: played a really, really integral part in the victory in
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. And President Trump has spent a lot
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  Speaker 3: of time with Charlie Kirk. Just about everyone in the
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  Speaker 3: White House has. I mean, it was one of the
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  Speaker 3: things the entire White House has shaken. This is not
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  Speaker 3: some distant person they don't know. This touched almost everyone
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  Speaker 3: who works in the Trump administration had connections to Charlie,
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  Speaker 3: had personal connections, and they were shaken by it. And
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  Speaker 3: you know, one of the bits of news that broke
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: this week that I thought it was a small snippet,
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  Speaker 3: but it encapsulated who Charlie was well, and Van Jones,
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  Speaker 3: you and I both know well he's very much a
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  Speaker 3: man of the left, maybe even far left. He's not
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: someone who you would typically envision saying nice things about
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  Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk. But I want you to listen to what
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: he said in the last few days about his last
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  Speaker 3: interaction with Charlie Kirk.
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  Speaker 7: Charlie Kirk and I were not friends at all. In fact,
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  Speaker 7: the last week of his life, we were beef and hard,
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  Speaker 7: beefing online, beefing on air. But the day before he died,
• 26:59
  Speaker 7: he did so and that shocked me. He sent me
• 27:02
  Speaker 7: a personal message calling for personal dialogue, wanted me to
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  Speaker 7: come on the show. He said we can be a
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  Speaker 7: gentlemen together. He said we could deal with our disagreements agreeably.
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  Speaker 7: And in the past week and a half, just watching
• 27:17
  Speaker 7: people talk about civil wars and censorship and all this
• 27:19
  Speaker 7: stuff coming out of his death, I just thought it
• 27:22
  Speaker 7: was important to let people know don't put that on
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  Speaker 7: Charlie Kirk, because the last day of his life he
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  Speaker 7: was reaching out to have not more censorship, more conversation,
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  Speaker 7: more dialogue with somebody who honestly was one of his adversaries.
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  Speaker 7: Me and I just wanted to share that with the world,
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  Speaker 7: and I hope that maybe it might help somebody on
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  Speaker 7: both sides deal with issues more like he did.
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  Speaker 2: Then putting that out there immediately brought me to today.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: You and I were sitting there and we looked over
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  Speaker 2: to the right of us, and you leaned over and
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  Speaker 2: you said, there's Elon. And several weeks or months ago,
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  Speaker 2: Charlie had said that he wanted Donald Trump and Elon
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  Speaker 2: to make up. We then a few minutes later see
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  Speaker 2: Elon in the box with President Trump. They hugged the President,
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  Speaker 2: patted him on the chest, and he tweeted out a
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  Speaker 2: picture Elon did of them talking, and all it said
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  Speaker 2: was for Charlie, I mean, you want to talk about
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: bringing people back together.
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  Speaker 1: That's incredible.
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  Speaker 3: I will say I respect Van Jones for putting that out.
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  Speaker 3: You know Van better than I do. But he didn't
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  Speaker 3: have to put that out. He didn't have to say that.
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  Speaker 3: And I do think it reflects who Charlie was, and
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  Speaker 3: I think the entire memorial today reflected. It was a
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  Speaker 3: celebration of his life, and it was a proclamation of
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  Speaker 3: the gospel and that I'm really grateful to have been
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  Speaker 3: friends with Charlie. I'm really grateful to have a chance
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  Speaker 3: to be there for the celebration because I think it
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  Speaker 3: is going to have really profound impacts on our country.
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  Speaker 2: I think we're gonna end up finding out down the
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  Speaker 2: road that today was one of the biggest days, not
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  Speaker 2: in politics with the biggest people in politics in a room,
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  Speaker 2: but one of the biggest days for young men and
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  Speaker 2: women accepting Christ and learning about the Lord from this
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  Speaker 2: horrific moment in our history. And I think you look
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: at that bring all these people together, the way that
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: he was doing it. I think it's going to change
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: the way we have dialogue and conversation. I think my
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: demeanor's probably gonna be different. I'm still going to fight
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: the good fight, and I'm still gonna fight hard, but
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: I want to have better conversations while doing it. I
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: think everybody's temperature is going to change a little bit,
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: and how we interact the way that.
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  Speaker 1: Charlie did it.
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  Speaker 2: And I left there today and I don't no, I
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: want to ask you this as we wrap. I left
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  Speaker 2: there today more hopeful for the future of this country, Yes,
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  Speaker 2: than I have been in decades, and more hopeful for
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: the younger generation in this country that they're going to
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: see the light, because I have been very worried for
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: quite some time. It's part of the reason why I do
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: this is that we have lost an entire generation to
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: the radical left. I think we are seeing a very
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: quick pendulum shift that only God could create and put
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: people in a place to do it.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely. You know, I'm reminded of the Scripture Second Chronicles
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  Speaker 3: seven fourteen. If my people who are called by my
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  Speaker 3: name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face,
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  Speaker 3: and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear
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  Speaker 3: from heaven, and I will forgive their sins, and I
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: will heal their land. That has been my prayer for
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: a long time, and I think today was in a
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  Speaker 3: very real sense a great many people in America calling
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  Speaker 3: out for God to hear our prayer and to heal
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  Speaker 3: our land. And I pray that that is the outcome
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  Speaker 3: the path we are on, that we see revival. Our
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  Speaker 3: country needs it.
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  Speaker 1: Amen to that.
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  Speaker 2: For all you guys that listen, I say it sincerely,
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: thank you guys for what you do, Thank you for
• 31:38
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• 31:40
  Speaker 1: We hope that we help you guys as well.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: We never ever take you guys for granted, and just
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: thank you for supporting us in this show and sharing
• 31:48
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• 31:51
  Speaker 2: was giving thumbs up and taking pictures and saying thank
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: you to you Cinner for what you do. It's encouraging,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: I think now more than ever. And I just wanted
• 32:00
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• 32:02
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• 32:07
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