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E204: A Demon’s Guide to Destroying Women—and How to Fight Back w/Emily Wilson · The Lila Rose Show

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How many little girls learned at sleepovers and from their
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friends who's like, oh, my big sister said this.
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And I realized how much the enemy wants women to be confused
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and afraid of what's happening to them, so they don't
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understand the power of what our bodies could do.
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There are literally demonic forces out there that don't want
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us to have a good day or a happy eternal life.
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You get to the point where it's like, I don't even know what
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God's voice sounds like because there's so much noise in our
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lives. What does that look like to
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mother out of confidence versus fear?
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The enemy wants us to say, man, I hate myself.
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I hate all those choices I made. God wants to say, look how much
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you've grown. Look what you learned.
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I've forgiven you right taking. Things.
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Hey guys, welcome back to the Lila Rose Show.
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I'm very excited to have my dear friend Emily Wilson in studio
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today. She has a new book out guys, and
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it is one of those books that will change you.
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It will change you. You pick it up and you read one
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page and it will change you for the better.
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I love books like that because whether you read one page or the
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whole thing, either way you know you're coming out better for
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better for it. The new book is called Sincerely
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Stoneheart and it is live as of just a few days.
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Ago, I'm not sure exactly they were releasing this, but it's
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going to be live by the time you get to hear this episodes.
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You can buy it at the link in the description.
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Emily is an amazing person. She's a wife, she's a mother.
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She's also an author, a singer, a songwriter, A podcaster.
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But she is here in studio to talk about, yeah, the biggest
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lies that women believe in today's culture and really the
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truth, the truth that can set us free, especially in whatever God
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is calling us to our purpose, our identity.
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rosereport.supercast.com. Thank you, Emily, I love talking
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to you. I'm so glad you're here.
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Thank. You I love.
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Congratulations. They're so warm and open hearted
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and always so encouraging and supportive.
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So thanks to all you listeners for letting me share with you
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again. Congratulations on the
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publishing of Sincerely Stoneheart.
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I know this has been I think you've shared. 4.
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Years in the making. Four years of writing and 14
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years of ministry with women, so this is a long time coming.
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Wow. And it's a very unique book
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because yes, there have been other books written in this
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format of the devil kind of scheming and what the devil
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would say. I know CS Lewis obviously wrote
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his very famous screw tape letters.
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Yours is really special because it's it's designed not just for
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women. It's designed for the modern
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woman in the kind of unique. Every century is unique, but
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today's era, there are unique challenges that women face and
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it's designed for her, for us. And I don't think any other book
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that I know of does that. So thank you for doing that, for
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writing. That it's such a gift.
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Yeah. So many people have done screw
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tape sequels. So since CS Lewis produces so
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many years ago, there's been many, many, many.
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And I have just watched the devil work in the hearts of
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women for these 14 years as I've watched alongside them and
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listened to them. And a number of years ago when I
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started jotting down ideas, writing down these letters from
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my own heart, it was initially a self-portrait of the way that
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the enemy has worked on me, but it became this oddly crafted
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memoir. I guess it's really a memoir, in
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an odd way, of all the ways that I've seen the enemy try to
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steal, kill and destroy the hearts of women in the world
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today. I think what is powerful is your
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fundamental operating assumption of this book is something that
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maybe a lot of us don't realize in the day today, which is that
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there is a war for our hearts and our minds and our souls.
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And it's being raged in a spiritual realm.
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Now, there's certainly a physical realm to it too, like
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physically being healthy, you know, having like moderated
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emotions and all of this. But there are literally,
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literally demonic forces out there that don't want us to have
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a good day or a happy eternal life.
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Like they just don't want that. And it's true.
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And being aware of it, not to the point of obsession, like,
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Oh, I'm, I'm so scared of the devil every minute.
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Like, is he around the corner? But just being aware of the
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larger landscape and how our own temperaments, our own life
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circumstances might interact with the spiritual realm.
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And of course, the mercy and grace of God that he wants to
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just pour on us. Having that awareness, I think
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is essential for for every woman and every person.
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So anyways, thank you for doing this labor of love because
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you've just, you've really nailed it.
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I mean, I'll share like reading Emily's book was, it was heavy,
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you know, it, it, it, it's definitely entertaining and that
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it's very clever how you did these chapters because they're
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all these different elements of the spiritual battle, the battle
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for our hearts and minds that is happening.
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You took these different lens. So we'll get into that.
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But like I remember reading the I think it was the chapter #1.
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And I was like, my husband's favorite is.
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Your husband's favorite. I'm curious why it's his
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favorite. Actually, you're you're well,
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I'm going to tell you why I I was touched by it and then tell
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me why Daniel, your husband, it's his favorite.
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But what's the title here? I want to tangled and tangled.
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OK, So it's about the World Wide Web and just the incredible
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impact that technology has had on the modern mind, particularly
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women. And yes, there can be a good
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impact and they're going to absolutely be a bad impact.
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And I know that everybody listening, if you are on
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Instagram or on X or on any social media platform, you will
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know that we're talking about. But I think what you really
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pinpointed in a very creative way is the specific ways that we
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might not even be aware of how the World Wide Web can really
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change our view of ourselves, distract us, our view of other
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people can be changed. And ultimately, yeah, it has a
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demonic. I think there's a demonic
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element there. And certainly it can interrupt
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God's provision in our life in terms of our receiving of what
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he has for us on the day because we're just turn the wrong
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direction. Oh, absolutely.
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I I talk a lot about screens and the use of screens in the book.
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And I'm not saying that screens are evil in and of themselves.
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I'm saying that our unhindered use of screens is ruining our
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lives if we're not paying attention and if we're not
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careful. So talk about the World Wide
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Web. And one of the things that, as I
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really unpacked this, was seeing and understanding how cluttered
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our minds actually are. And one of the things that the
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devil doesn't want us to be able to do is to hear God.
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And so he tries to distract us with noise as much as possible.
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And as I unpacked this in my own life, I realized how, you know,
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you go to a concert when you're young.
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You ever been to a concert and your ears hurt for like a day
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after a week after If it's like really loud, but the noise in
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our lives is often silent. And there's this line in the
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book that I wrote when most of the noise is silent, she won't
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realize how truly deafening it is because so often, right, we
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have the the volume on our phone down, but we're watching a video
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and we're reading the captions and we're taking in all this
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information constantly. So it's not loud.
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My ears don't hurt, but like my brain hurts like because it's
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all getting cluttered. I say it's like a grandma's
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house like filled with Knick knacks.
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You ever you have a grandma who's like has just stuff
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everywhere. And that's our brains because so
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many people the moment they wake up, they're just starting to
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ingest information. What's this person saying?
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What's this that person saying? And so articles, all these
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things, they're silent, right. Podcasts aren't, you know,
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sometimes we watch things with volume on, but so often it's
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not. And I you, you, it blocks the
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voice of God. And that's exactly where the
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enemy wants us is entrapped in the web.
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I talk about how the World Wide Web is this, you know, was this
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trap for all of us where we got we're so often we're just stuck
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in it. And if we're not choosing well,
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the enemy will use like the screens in our lives to amplify
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that noise. So you get to the point where
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it's like, I don't even know what God's voice sounds like
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because there's so much noise in our lives.
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You have this scene in there where you're, if I remember it
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correctly, you were basically detailing this woman who like,
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there's something that she sees that was just really bad or like
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caused her so much. She was so upset about what she
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saw and she just was like, like brooding on it.
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Like, and, and again, I mean, you can read a news headline and
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be like, I can't believe this injustice is happening.
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Or you see this post of someone and you're like, oh, that.
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It's so that's so terrible what they just posted.
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How could they post that? Or you know, it's so dangerous
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or misleading millions of minds or whatever, right?
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And you get worked out. I mean, the social media, like
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it is designed to work you up. It is literally designed for
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that. And most of the workups are not
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good ones. No, and it's just such a place
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where the enemy just sews division and this lack of peace
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and how many people out there listening, you've had a whole
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day that was your piece was just wrong, robbed by something you
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saw online or this argument that you're in with someone on
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Facebook or Instagram and you're just going back and forth and
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back and forth and back and forth and back and forth and it
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literally consumes your whole day, right?
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What does the enemy want more than your day?
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To be consumed with fighting and bitterness and stress and to be
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thinking about it in the night, right?
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You're walking your baby in the night or you're just up in the
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night and you're just thinking about what that one person said.
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How did you balance the reality that yes, we should some of us
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maybe are called to engage in social media or there can be at,
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you know, positive advantages, right, And you're you're
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creating this basically a story, right with these chapters.
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It's like the demon writing about how he can entrap people
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with it, which is absolutely true.
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Like that that happened when you were praying on it and writing
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it. I know it took you four years.
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You were really like methodical and intentional about how you
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did it. How did you like, what was your
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kind of mechanism or your approach towards writing it in a
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way that, yes, gave the devil his due, so to speak, of how he
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may be using these things to trap people.
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And you will have other examples in a minute versus the reality
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that God can redeem so much things can be used for good.
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Sometimes what might look like a bad motivation actually can be
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redeemed, right. There's there's like obviously
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all kinds of grace around the margins with this stuff.
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What was sort of your method? Yeah, for sure.
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For how to even identify what the temptation would be, how to
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explain it, you know, etcetera. So yes, I unpack, you know, kind
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of a different, I guess, temptation or struggle that
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women face because of the enemy throughout the whole entire
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book. So looking at something like
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screen use right in in this woman, right, it's a character,
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it's one woman, and she encompasses the stories of all
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of the women that I've ever spoken to over these many years.
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Not only do I talk about kind of, you know, the the ways that
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she's using media to distract her to cope with her problems,
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right to, you know, run away from her feelings, but Ioffer
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antidotes to think the ways that she's breaking free from those
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right. So in one of the letters, I talk
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about how this woman, she just signs off from all social media
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for, for an extended period of time.
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And I talk about the clarity that that brings her and the
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piece that it brings her. So throughout each letter, I
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look at, okay, what are the lies or what are the tactics that the
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enemy is using and kind of how can I combat those?
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And it's, you know, like I said, it's a different way to kind of
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say like these are some of the answers to the problems that
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we're having. And it's not that screens are
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evil, it's that I am choosing to ruin my own life and my own
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peace, right, by giving into those things.
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So trying to walk that fine line of saying here are the lies and
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here are the truths and the practical things that we can do
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to combat that took a lot of, like you said, time and prayer.
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And looking at, OK, what are practical things that I can give
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the reader to really like, you know, combat these things in
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their life so they can live more fully and freely and use their
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screens in a way that they're not a slave to it and they're
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not just totally addicted to it to the point of ruining their
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lives. But how can they use it in a
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healthy way? I tried to kind of help the
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reader see these are some healthy ways that we can do this
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in a way that you can live in a more peaceful way.
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That's not just like, oh, I have to give up everything, you know?
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Why was entangled the first chapter, Danielle, your
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husband's favorite chapter? He said he's never thought about
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the noise that way, about the noise being silent and
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cluttering his mind so much. And he said, I never thought
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about the World Wide Web that way, that it's this sticky
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substance that has infiltrated everything, He said.
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It's like such a bizarre thing to to actually have it named the
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World Wide Web and it actually is connecting us all, but we're
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all kind of stuck in it now. And the spiders are coming to
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get. US.
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Potentially. Yes, we read all the letters and
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I said, what was the one that, you know, resonated with you the
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most? And of course, he's not a woman.
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But he's not a woman. If I'm giving it to my friends
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who are priests, who are like all men, I'm like, if you want
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to understand your wife more deeply and what she has
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struggled with, I go all the way back to our childhood as little
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girls when we're told the most important thing about you is
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your exterior. So you better start working on
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the exterior so that you can get a boyfriend, right?
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I go all the way back to those lies that are given to us as
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little girls. So if men want to understand
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their girl friends, you know, more, their wives more my priest
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friends, I'm like, if you want to understand the the women that
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you serve in your parish more, read this and see these
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struggles and the ways that the enemy has worked on us since we
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were little girls. You have 42 letters in here with
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42. Some of the topics are broken
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out into multiple letters like a topic about motherhood or about
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different ways about we might have insecurity as women or you
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know as friends moms. We would in a dating or romantic
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a marriage relationship. How did you pick 42?
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Was there a particular method you used or is it just kind of
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from the heart you just started writing?
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Totally from the heart, I really I, I wouldn't even know what I
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was going to sit down and write about that day.
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All of these ideas, I had been writing them down on little
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papers for a long, long time. I'm a paper and pen kind of
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person. I'm not like I don't I have a
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paper and pen calendar Even so I have little papers everywhere.
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I'm just like that kind of author.
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And that day I would sit down and I would just see really what
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came out of my heart. I the Lord, you know, for many
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years as I was preparing to do this, just what what stories do
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you want me to remember in my own life and the lives of the
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women that I've talked with And every day like something there
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were letters that came out of my heart that I was like, I did not
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see this coming at all. And I would get home from
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writing and I would tell my husband, I would say, I can't
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believe what I wrote about today and you're not going to be able
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to believe it either. So I just, I, it was really a
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natural conclusion. I don't remember what the last
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letter that I wrote. And then I put them all in the
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order that I wanted them in, but it was like this natural
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conclusion. I really felt this like it's
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done. Like that's it.
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That was the last letter I'm going to write.
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It was the most natural you. Covered all that.
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I feel like the topics were all there.
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Like if I were to like write a list of all the topics that
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women are have lies about, about their identity, their
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relationships, you know, God, I think this would be I don't know
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that there's anything I would have added in.
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Thank you. I think you covered it.
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I appreciate that. I mean, I guess there's more you
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could do if you really zoomed in really close on like marriage as
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an example. You, you have marriage in there,
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but you wrote it in a way that it's kind of a baseline for any
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woman, whether she's married or not now she has kids or not.
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Yeah, and that's the thing about the book.
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It's for women of all, you know, in all seasons of life, it's for
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all adult women. But not every letter is going to
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apply to every woman, right? You might not be a mother or
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there's a letter about women who feel really deeply and they were
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made to feel like their feelings were are crazy and over dramatic
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as young girls. That wasn't from my experience.
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That's something I've listened to women share with me over and
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over again. So you might read some of these
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letters and be like, this doesn't really apply to me.
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But I'm hoping that people who read each letter, it kind of
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widens our compassion for women around us and what they've
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struggled with. It's like I'm reading this
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letter and maybe I don't struggle with this, but it's
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helping me to see, you know, ways that other women I know,
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maybe my sister, maybe my friend, maybe my mom has
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struggled with and grow in compassion for one another.
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And just the ways that the enemy has been against us and try to
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divide us every step of the way as women and try to steal our
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peace every step of the way too. So I'm grateful that you feel
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like there's nothing you would have added.
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I appreciate that very much. What was the hardest letter to
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write for you? I cried the most writing the
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letter about the enemy, trying to get me to believe every day
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that I'm ruining my children, that the choices that I'm
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making, they're not making him or her now better, that they're
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ruining him. Which chapter is that?
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That letter is called it's all up to you and I just realized
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and what this book writing this book helped me really was to
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discern what is the voice of the enemy like how like when I hear
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the voice of the enemy now to say you're ruining him.
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I know, I'm like, I know that voice and that is not the voice
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of God, the voice. Of or there's like primal fear.
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Yes, that's been a voice that I've learned.
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I'm learning to identify where like you really think something
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really bad is going to happen to your your kid and you're and
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you're negligent. Like this is something that
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you're responsible for and it can kind of make you do
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sometimes almost irrational things because you're so worried
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about your child. Absolutely that the that's not
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of the Lord, right. So when we look at that voice of
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the enemy, it's meant to steal, kill and destroy.
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It is pressuring and it is intense and is the words are
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never good. So when I hear that lie, you're
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ruining your child. Just you know, for these moms,
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the food that you're choosing and the sleep method and are you
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going to sleep train or not and all these different kinds of
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things, this information overload.
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That's like drinking out of a fire hose for moms all the time.
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And the amount of people, I call it in the book A Motherhood
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fears Filing cabinet, because so often older mothers, they say,
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oh, you think you're dealing with the tough stuff now, just
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wait until they're teenagers and you have real problems on your
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hands and you're like, oh, and you get so like, Oh my gosh, I'm
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not looking forward to that. I'm terrified of the teenagers.
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The enemy wants you to be terrified of everything that's
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going to come up ahead, whether you're a mother or not.
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He wants us to be stressed. There's a whole letter about
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being stressed versus surrendered.
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The enemy wants us to be stressed about what God is going
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to ask us to do. If you get close to the Lord,
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what's He going to ask you to give up?
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You know, all that stress rather than surrendered in all things
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and writing that like coming to terms with how much I've
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listened to that voice and mothered out of fear, a fear of
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ruining them and like operating in those choices, like what is
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going to ruin him less? That was hard.
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Look like to mother out of confidence versus fear.
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Really to try to rely more on your own intuition than the
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deluge of information given to you online.
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Yes, there's a there's a letter called Never Stop talking and
20:45
how people online never stop talking and you could choose to
20:47
listen to them how so often in our lives if we want an answer
20:50
to something this. Is one of the letters in the
20:52
book We Go the endless commentary.
20:55
Endless commentary and how often in my life I go like what are
20:59
other people doing? Or I consult Google rather than
21:02
the Lord. So practically to mother out of,
21:05
you know, confidence and out of fear really is to consult with
21:08
the Lord. Yes, there's information that
21:09
helps us, of course, but to consult the Lord, to say Lord,
21:12
what do you want me to do here rather than going to the
21:14
Internet or rather than going to what other people are doing?
21:18
Well, it's it's really picking a posture.
21:21
I mean, I think it's like picking a motherhood identity of
21:24
I'm not just going to be the composite of like Tom, you know,
21:28
not Tom, Dick and Harry, because they're all women, but like, you
21:31
know, Susie, like like Clara and Sally, I don't know.
21:34
And they're all different approaches to motherhood.
21:37
That's not to say we can't learn from other women, but I think in
21:39
the day-to-day, it's like, what is what is your sort of North
21:43
Star for how you're going to mother?
21:44
What are your chosen principles? You can tweak them, you can
21:47
change them, but and, and be confident in that because I
21:51
think confidence is something that is really hard for a lot of
21:56
women, generally speaking, certainly mothers, yes.
21:59
And you can get your confidence so easily rattled by just
22:03
looking and listening to what other people are doing and then
22:06
doing that comparison game, yes. It's, it's, it's mind boggling
22:10
how much it's affected us. And I didn't realize how much it
22:12
affected me until I started writing this.
22:14
And I thought, I mean, the amount of things that came into
22:17
view of like, wow, I have never even thought about it this way.
22:21
Like what, as I was writing it, Oh my gosh, so many different
22:24
things. I talk about the way that girls
22:26
learn about their periods when they're young, right?
22:28
And in my own life, I felt really led by my mom in that
22:31
way. But how many women I talked to,
22:33
it was like nobody ever talked to me about like my period or
22:38
what was going to happen. It was like the short
22:39
presentation from a nurse. And I realized how much the
22:42
enemy wants women to be confused and afraid of what's happening
22:45
to them. So they don't understand the
22:47
power of what our bodies can do, right?
22:50
And how this like, how many little girls learned at
22:53
sleepovers and from their friends who's like, oh, my big
22:56
sister said this. How many women were like cheated
23:00
out of the opportunity to be LED in love and like, spoken to
23:03
really plainly, like, this is going to happen to you.
23:05
And This is why, right? What presentation, right?
23:08
And there might be people who are making changes in this area.
23:10
Does the nurse come in and say the the power of fertility is
23:14
incredible. And This is why we have periods.
23:17
I talk about in the book how it's like so often presented to
23:20
little girls as such a needless cross.
23:22
Like we just have this unfair saying and it happens to us.
23:25
And men have it so easy. But it's like, no, if little
23:28
girls like learn to be in tune with their bodies, there's a lot
23:32
of beautiful power there. And the enemy doesn't want that.
23:36
So things like that came into view in my own marriage.
23:39
I realized the lie that the enemy speaks to me is you're so
23:42
much harder to love now than you were when you first started
23:45
dating or when you were first married.
23:47
Like looking at myself right in the hurricane of all these years
23:50
and bearing children and having 3C sections that the enemy comes
23:53
to me and says like that version of you back in the day was so
23:57
much more carefree and was so much more easygoing.
24:00
And look at how stressed you are now and look at what a friends
24:02
you are now. You're so much harder for Daniel
24:04
to love. Meaning like you're less
24:05
attractive. Less attractive not only on the
24:08
exterior but back in the day when I didn't have all these.
24:13
You know, responsibilities. But I was more carefree.
24:16
I was more spontaneous. I was more easygoing in life.
24:20
And the enemy wants me to look back and say, you know, oh, man,
24:24
I wish I was more like her, which is good.
24:26
It's good to, like, learn from the past.
24:28
But there was a gal online who talked about how she feels like
24:30
when her husband looks at old pictures of her, she feels like
24:33
he's cheating on her with her former self.
24:36
And how much so sad. God wants to write.
24:38
God wants us to embrace who we are today and embrace the ways
24:41
that we've grown for the better, but the enemy always wants us to
24:44
look back and be like, oh man, like I was so much better back
24:47
then or, you know, all those things, but just stir up
24:50
discontent. You said something earlier, you
24:53
know, back to the It's All About You chapter, which I think is
24:57
really, really a powerful one and and what you're sharing that
25:00
that was the one that brought the most tears for you
25:01
personally. What is the truth?
25:05
The truth? What is the truth we got?
25:06
I mean, it's you wrote it, but what's the truth for that?
25:10
And how does one learn to trust themselves, which is really
25:12
trusting Jesus in them, but to have confidence that that's what
25:16
they're doing? I write the truth.
25:18
Yeah. I tried to write the truth as
25:20
much as possible into every chapter.
25:22
Like the the enemy is saying the truth out loud to that his.
25:25
You know, in this correspondence, the truth is
25:28
that each child is given to us like each unrepeatable child is
25:33
given to a mother for a purpose that she, her heart of love for
25:38
that child was made for that child, whether through biology
25:41
or through adoption, that her heart is for that baby and she
25:45
has unique strengths and gifts that she brings to her
25:49
mothering. We can't do it all perfectly.
25:51
We can't do it all well, but that the Lord wants to see that
25:54
that child's unique DNA, she was created to care for it and she
25:58
was created to tend to it. And sometimes that's hard to
26:01
embrace. Well, you know, when in moms who
26:03
go through difficult periods with their children or feel
26:05
like, Oh my, my gosh, I am not cut out for this at all.
26:08
The enemy wants you to believe you are not cut out for this at
26:10
all. Every other mother is.
26:11
Look around at all those mothers.
26:12
They're all cut out for this. You are not right because.
26:15
Of how they do it different. How they do it differently.
26:18
Oh yeah. How they seem to be all put
26:19
together or they're just doing XY and Z and you're like, Oh my
26:22
gosh, I just feel like I'm such a mess and I'm failing at
26:24
everything and look at these bombs.
26:25
Look at how they dress. Look at the parties they put on.
26:27
Look at all these things, right? And so the the truth is that
26:33
this child's unique DNA was meant for you like a garden for
26:37
you to cultivate and to love and to cherish and care for.
26:42
And you could spend your whole life frittering about looking at
26:45
all the other moms and looking at all the other things instead
26:47
of being present to the mission that God has for you.
26:50
When the enemy distracts us from our mission, distracts us from
26:53
our children in 1000 different ways, we we can't be as focused
26:57
as God wants us to be in the mission that He has entrusted us
27:00
with. That's so good.
27:02
And it's really, it's really a truth about our individuality
27:07
and our personhood because I think the devil wants to destroy
27:10
our personhood, like treat us like robots, cogs in the
27:13
machine, things like that. And what you're like, really
27:16
nailed here is this idea of the uniqueness.
27:20
Every single person is unique. You know, little St.
27:23
Therese of lists you as a little St.
27:25
I love like we're all flowers and some are big lilies and flat
27:28
roses and others are tiny little daisies are violets.
27:31
And similarly with a mother and her child and their
27:34
relationship, every relationship is different.
27:36
That's so freeing to think about.
27:38
Like there are certain principles you can return to and
27:41
you can certainly learn from other people, but you are your
27:44
only. You are your child's only
27:46
mother. Yes, and God is the one who
27:48
wants to lead you in loving that child rather than all of the
27:53
information. God wants to lead you and you to
27:55
be in tune with His heart rather than all of the information
27:59
first. He wants you to go to Him first
28:02
in all things. And I think that too for women
28:04
who don't have children yet or they don't know if they want
28:06
children or they're like, you know, not married yet or they,
28:09
they're just not sure how they feel about motherhood because of
28:11
any number of reasons, maybe wounds or just things that they
28:14
experienced or sense of calling. But it also, I think, removes a
28:18
lot of the fear and the pressure because if you're rooted in your
28:21
identity as God will give you what you need, and he made you
28:24
uniquely for this. If you have a child, that child
28:26
is uniquely your child. You're uniquely their mother.
28:29
Yeah. It's going to be OK.
28:31
Yeah. It's going to work out, yes.
28:32
And if you're rooted in your identity as beloved, right?
28:35
I have a chapter on identity. It's called looking for the
28:39
keys. Have you ever got like gone to
28:42
go to an appointment or whatever and you lose your car keys?
28:45
Have you ever does this ever happened to you?
28:47
And you're like it's. Always in my purse and I just
28:49
can't find it and it's like. And you're frantically looking
28:51
about like, Oh my gosh, where did I leave it?
28:53
Where did I leave it? And you're looking like all the,
28:55
you know, your your night out bag that you had on Friday night
28:57
when you went out for a date. I like take a little pocketbook
28:59
and I'm looking around everywhere.
29:00
And that's how the enemy wants women to look for their
29:03
identity. Like they're looking for the car
29:05
keys and they have like 5 minutes to do it and they're
29:07
trying to get to this thing and they're rushed and panicked so
29:10
that we look for identity in appearances and accomplishments
29:13
and all these things rather than realizing my the keys are here,
29:18
the keys have always been here because my identity is beloved
29:21
and I don't have to look for it anywhere.
29:24
Like as the beloved of God, when you let everything flow from
29:27
that place, rather than frittering about thinking, oh
29:30
maybe if I look better or get this accomplishment, then I'll
29:32
be fulfilled in life. When you rest in your identity
29:36
as beloved, it changes everything.
29:38
The keys were there all along. The keys are always with you.
29:41
God's heart is always with you. Making decisions out of that
29:44
place changes everything. I love that.
29:47
I love that. It's an, it's so needed that I
29:49
mean, it's the principle of what is love?
29:52
Love is delighting in the good of the existence of the other.
29:55
Just the fact that you exist is good.
29:58
Yes, it is good that you exist. Yes.
30:00
You don't have to do something to be good.
30:02
You don't have to do something to prove yourself.
30:04
The fact that you are a human being, a son or daughter of God,
30:08
that is good. And I think about our own kids,
30:10
like if you're, if you have children or you'd forget, you
30:12
don't even have a child. You have a niece or a nephew.
30:15
It isn't enough for you to just like love on that niece and
30:19
nephew. Give them a hug.
30:19
They don't have to go perform for you.
30:21
You love them already. And we are imperfect, flawed
30:25
human beings and we love that child already, whether we're
30:28
the, the big sister or the niece or the, or the, excuse me, the
30:31
aunt. I guess it would be or you know,
30:33
the parent. Of course God is that way even
30:36
infinitely more than we are to us.
30:38
Totally. You don't have to do anything.
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32:05
comprehend with our minds. And I started to see this is
32:08
another thing that totally came into view, how much the enemy
32:11
has wanted to move us away from depth so that we are
32:14
uncomfortable with God. So in so many different ways,
32:17
you just think about small talk. It's really surface talk.
32:20
We're just on the surface, We're so connected as human beings.
32:22
We're all suffering. We're all, we all have highs and
32:24
valleys and hills and valleys and highs and lows.
32:27
But the enemy wants in order for us not to thrive in being
32:31
connected deeply, he wants us to be uncomfortable with
32:34
vulnerability and uncomfortable with depth.
32:37
So often in, you know, social situations, people are made
32:40
uncomfortable by a person who's asking real questions and who
32:43
just is like, oh, tell me about your life story.
32:44
And you're like, wait, what? You're not just going to ask me
32:46
Like, So what do you do for work?
32:47
You know, so people who, you know, ask these people questions
32:51
are so often seen as like intrusive or awkward.
32:54
When the enemy knows that we thrive when we're really
32:58
connected to one another and we're when we're really
33:01
vulnerable with one another, that is where the connection
33:04
that we long for, like we long to be connected as humans, right
33:08
as children of God. The enemy wants us to move away
33:11
from that so that we're lonely so that we feel just totally
33:14
disconnected because we feel miserable there.
33:17
Like in the disconnect, we, our souls feel miserable because we
33:20
were made for unity and communion with one another.
33:23
That's like the way we were, you know, the fabric of who we are.
33:27
If the enemy can move us away from that so that we're lonely
33:29
and we feel like everybody belongs except me or whatever
33:32
that might be, we we can't thrive.
33:36
We can't thrive if we're not talking about real things, if
33:38
everything's just surface talk, everything like how are we not
33:43
going to feel lonely? How are we not going to feel
33:45
sad? And also, you know, moving us
33:47
away from our feelings, right? If I'm feeling the XY or Z way
33:52
instead of, you know, going to the Lord to scroll, or if I'm
33:55
feeling XY or Z way to get a snack, right?
33:57
Oh, a snack will solve my problems, right?
33:58
Moving away from those feelings, the depth of our feelings, is a
34:02
way that the enemy prevents us from connection with the Lord, I
34:05
really believe. I think there's so many people
34:07
who who also they don't maybe have a friend or someone on a
34:12
regular basis that they can be fully raw with.
34:16
I think that's so lost today because we're living in the
34:19
superficial relationships, not to say they're not a real
34:23
relationship in terms of it's not, there's not like, it's not
34:26
like you're trying to trick the other person or they're trying
34:27
to trick you. But there's a lack of, as you're
34:29
saying, depth. And part of that people might be
34:31
afraid of like tapping into that depth because it's scary and,
34:35
and there's sort of a fear around it and that
34:37
vulnerability, but you got to do that if you're going to grow.
34:42
I mean, and, and not saying you have to go bare your soul to
34:44
everybody that you need, of course, but you need, we need
34:47
friends, you know, we need people close with us.
34:49
If you're certainly like in a marriage, you need to be able to
34:51
do that in your marriage, right? And absolutely, we all need to
34:55
do it with God. Otherwise we, we, we get kind
34:59
of, we get stunted. We get stunted.
35:01
And I love how you describe that, that word allergic.
35:04
But you know the devil like in in your book, of course, but
35:08
training people to reject vulnerability, maybe because
35:12
it's impolite, or it's weird, or it's improper, or you know you
35:15
don't want to deal with the discomfort.
35:16
Whatever it is, there can be 1,000,000 reasons not to choose
35:19
to go deep. Yes, and the enemies telling so
35:23
many women telling me, I heard it lies so many times.
35:26
If you're vulnerable, if you like reveal who you really are,
35:28
they will flee like these people, like you're not likable,
35:32
you're not even lovable. So don't like just close up
35:35
those places because if you reveal those parts of your
35:37
hearts to people, they will run. They will say, Oh my gosh, this
35:40
woman is crazy. I do not want to be around this
35:42
lady. That's what I feel like the
35:43
enemy has said to so many women, to prevent them from true
35:46
connection with one another. What was the easiest chapter to
35:50
write for you? The easiest 1 for me but one of
35:53
the hardest ones also was one of the last ones and it's called
35:57
the empty theater. I've struggled a lot with self
36:01
forgiveness and forgiving myself in life for stupid.
36:04
I'll cry talking about it. Stupid things I've done, bad
36:07
choices I've made, things that I've said, things that I wish I
36:11
would just would have, should have done differently.
36:15
And how the enemy wants women in a place of self hatred for all
36:19
those things. We're so hard on ourselves as it
36:22
is, but the enemy wants us constantly looking back at could
36:26
have, would have, should have. And I describe it like I'm
36:30
sitting in a movie theater, like I'm sitting in a movie theater
36:34
and I'm watching the movie of my life playback like constantly.
36:38
And these scenes where I wish I would have made a different
36:41
choice or I wish I would have like chosen a different path or,
36:45
you know, those things. I'm like that I'm talking about
36:47
all you listeners out there. Those replay again and again and
36:50
again, right? And I feel like so often it
36:53
happens when we're laying down trying to sleep at night and the
36:55
enemy brings up these memories like, oh, you're like, Can you
36:58
believe you did that? And like in this, you know,
37:01
analogy, I'm just like shouting at myself, like, no, why, What
37:05
are you doing? Why are you doing that rather
37:07
than seeing myself in the past and just like feeling a heart of
37:12
compassion for all of the things that I so many choices.
37:16
We didn't, you know, we didn't know we're learning and we're
37:18
growing all the time. Like I like looking at that and
37:22
just being so upset with myself rather than having a heart of
37:25
compassion for the ways that I was growing and the ways that
37:28
God was leading me and how the enemy just wants me there.
37:32
Angry with myself, hating myself instead of having the Lord.
37:37
And I talk about how the Lord wants to look at us and say,
37:40
look at how far you've come. And the enemy wants us to say,
37:44
man, I hate myself. I hate all those choices I made.
37:47
God wants to say, look how much you've grown, look what you've
37:50
learned. But can't you just be
37:52
compassionate with yourself? I've forgiven you, right?
37:54
Taking things to the heart of the Lord, I have forgiven you.
37:57
Can you not forgive yourself? And so that was really freeing
38:02
for me. And I, it really moved me into a
38:04
place in my life where through prayer, as I was writing this,
38:08
the Lord would take me back to those places that I would see,
38:10
you know, coming up on the screen and just be there with me
38:13
and allow literally myself in prayer to give myself a hug in
38:17
that moment where I wish I would have made a different choice to
38:20
give myself a hug. And really, the Lord to say,
38:22
look at how far you've come. She was learning and growing.
38:25
And you don't have to hate yourself for learning and
38:27
growing. And so that was really freeing.
38:31
And it was very easy to write that because it's something I've
38:33
struggled with a lot over the years.
38:36
And, and that belief in the Lord's forgiveness, like so
38:39
often, it's the lie of forgiveness is for everybody
38:42
except me. Like I'm, I'm the most broken,
38:46
I'm the most messy. I am the problem child in the
38:49
Lord's house, right? And how the Lord wants us to
38:53
believe, no forgiveness is for me like his forgiveness is as
38:58
much for everybody else it is as it is for me.
39:00
And I need to rest in that it's. So good, Emily.
39:04
And it's like Satan hates the fact that you're sitting on
39:07
there watching the movie theater with Jesus and he's like, just
39:10
give your give that girl a hug. She's like, don't judge yourself
39:16
forever in eternity. And you're like, no, like God
39:19
Forgives me and he wants me to walk in freedom now.
39:23
Yes, I'm going to give her a hug.
39:25
Yes, the the Lord wants women to be women who can forgive
39:29
themselves and to say it's OK that I'm learning every single
39:33
day no matter our age, it's OK that I'm growing.
39:35
The Lord wants us to be kind to ourselves, and the opposite is
39:38
true of the enemy. How do you address the I think
39:42
there is this I, I think because of social media, probably
39:46
because of just all of the woundedness that people face
39:49
today and all of the brokenness, there is this sort of
39:54
resurgence. It's not a resurgence.
39:56
It's just a general, you know, proclaiming of this word
39:59
narcissist where everyone is like, they have narcissistic
40:02
tendencies. You have narcissist.
40:03
I have like, this man is a narcissist.
40:05
This woman is a narcissist and. Certainly narcissism is, I
40:08
think, an actual personality disorder that people can have
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because of a lot of maybe factors.
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I was talking to father Robert Spitzer about how the soul can
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get really broken in early childhood if they're not given
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certain love and nurture. Like like severe like child
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abuse or neglect like that could potentially lead to a potential
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personality disorder. Anyways, what I'm getting at
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here with regard to sincerely Sternheart is how do you address
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in the book the temptation that maybe we have to selfishness
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right as women where it's not about we're like afraid of of
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deep relationship. We're afraid of maybe
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commitment, sacrifice, because it's it's not doesn't seem to
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immediately serve me. You know, we're maybe addicted
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to like a superficial living pleasure.
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What are your thoughts? On that, so that the, that
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letter is called have it all. And it talks about how, you
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know, in the, the temptation to just want everything as quickly
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as possible because the enemy wants us to believe life is all
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about me, me, me and how much I can get out of this, right?
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And we see it in, you know, on social media and influencer
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culture, right? Where women are just getting new
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things every day, all the time. They're going on 7 vacations a
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year and you're like, Oh my gosh, how is this even possible,
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right? And and so the enemy wants us to
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just turn entirely inward and say, how much can I get out of
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this life because the Lord made us to say, how much can I give
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in a healthy way, not to just deplete myself to burn out, but
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the the gift of femininity in the world is what the enemy I
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believe wants to prevent is making women believe.
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How much can I get? Whether that's possessions,
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whether that's, you know, acclaim, whether that's, you
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know, how beautiful can I become?
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Life is all about me, me, me. So this life is spent grasping
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rather than receiving, right? We look at even the garden.
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What did she do? She grasped because she didn't
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believe that God was good and she didn't believe that God was
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all loving. So she went out to get it for
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herself. And that's another part of the
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have it all is that you have these desires of your heart and
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you're going to have to go out there and just get all that you
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can in terms of fulfilling those desires.
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And if you have unmet desires right in your heart that it's
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unfair and that God loves the women, like the women who are
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receiving those desires of their heart.
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He loves them more than he loves you, right?
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The enemy sneaks in to say that. So the the the the life spent
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grasping as a woman is so I think, a tactic that the enemy
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uses against us. How much can I get?
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It's the antithesis of what God created us for.
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Which is abundance in him. Yes, and is about being his
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hands and feet in the world instead of saying how much can I
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get, how much can I give? How much can I pour out from my
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heart again in a healthy way of love and goodness and mercy and
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be God's hands and feet Instead of looking around saying what
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new am I going to get today? Who can I love today?
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Well, I think the underpinning piece of that, what you're
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describing is this, the idea that if you, you know, I think
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of some women, they're afraid of being mothers because of the
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sacrifice it requires. And they look at other women who
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are sacrificing so much and they still, they look at, they see it
43:15
as misery, right. So there's this lie there that
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says that you're going to like, you have to cull things like
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this in order to have some sort of joy or happiness aside this
43:26
in this life. And if you let go or if you open
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yourself up to a certain commitments and responsibilities
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and giving, giving of yourself back, you're going to lose
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yourself and lose some good things that you value.
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Yes. Oh yeah.
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And I think about that little, you know, that image of that
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little girl holding the teddy bear with Jesus, that little
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cartoon. One of the good things that come
43:47
from the meme wars on social media.
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There's like the little kid holding the teddy bear and, and
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Jesus, like the like, I want it so bad.
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And Jesus is like, just give it to me.
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But he's has a bigger teddy bear behind him.
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Like if you just trust in me, I'm going to give you the
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desires of your heart and more like I will, I will give you
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more than you can imagine. But my my ways won't look the
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way you might expect. Like it might not look the way
44:08
you will expect. That's so hard for some people
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to trust. Yes, well and going to the
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foundational reality that the the desire of our heart is Jesus
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himself and he already gave himself to us and the world says
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the desire of your heart are in all these things.
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Those are secondary to the desire of our heart just to be
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one with Jesus, right to to have all of himself, which he's given
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all of himself. One of my favorite prayers is
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Henry Nowen. He says, Lord, unclench my
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fists. Good.
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And I just love that posture in life, in so much of our life is
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spent like that with our fit, just like goat.
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And then sometimes you like get one hand open, but you still
44:46
have this hand closed because you're still holding on to
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things that that posture of openness to receive whatever God
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wants to give in life, right? That we don't love God because
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of what he gives. We love him because of who he
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is, right? So good, it's like.
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The prodigal son coming home to the father, right?
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He just wanted the father in the end.
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He thought he wanted all these things, but in the end he just
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wanted his father's love and it was there all along, right?
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So to live with hands like that, whether you know if God wants to
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give you the gift of a child or whatever it might be to open
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your hands to receive like what an amazing posture of heart and
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in life. We got to do one more can we do
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one more chapter that top of the podium.
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I thought that was very, there was some real like I, you know,
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whether it's personal, I just know like, I, I feel like Carrie
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personally, like some of my close friends, this idea of
45:37
competition with other women that because someone else is
45:41
different from you and and maybe objectively seems better in this
45:44
category, right. And you're almost always
45:47
material categories, but sometimes they're there's more,
45:50
you know, things that are less tangible, like a virtue, like
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this person just seems so patient or so organized or so I
45:58
don't know, whatever. Like you pick the virtue or it's
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a material thing, a physical thing.
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What inspired top of the podium? I mean, how, you know, we go
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back to being little girls and how everything seems.
46:10
It starts to become a contest from so early on for you to look
46:14
around and oh, she's getting a boyfriend, She's prettier than
46:17
me or she's she made the varsity volleyball team and I'm only on
46:21
JV when we're little. That messaging starts to arise
46:25
that this is a competition and I whether it's the way that I
46:28
look, whether it's the team that I make, whether it's my report
46:30
card or getting into a certain college, I'm competing with
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other women rather than celebrating right All our unique
46:37
strengths. It can become kind of trait, but
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I just talk about in life all the time of the women how
46:42
femininity is was meant to be a celebration of God's image and
46:46
likeness alive in each and every single one of us in a beautiful,
46:49
unique way. But the enemy wants us to
46:52
believe that femininity is a contest and that I have to do
46:56
the best and be the best and everything is a beauty pageant
46:59
so that we're spent, we spent our lives striving.
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I have to strive to, you know, be better than her or get into
47:05
the these colleges if she's getting into those colleges and
47:08
how instead of a world full of women, really.
47:11
And this is something that people talk about often who can
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really celebrate each other to say go girl, right?
47:17
Not in a cheesy way, but in a way that really is.
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And I try to be this woman, a woman who was always found
47:24
uplifting and always found encouraging, no matter what's
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going on in my life, you know, through throughout life, the
47:30
highs and lows, to always be the one who says you're amazing.
47:35
You are made in the image and likeness of God.
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And I'm so proud of you and I'm so proud of what you're doing.
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A world full of women who really saw each other as the image and
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likeness, right? And we could celebrate one
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another. It would change everything.
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And it's that's what I've seen the enemy work to divide is us
47:53
to say like just a clamor. Imagine like the podium at the
47:56
Olympics, right? There's these different levels
47:58
and looking at that woman on the top level to say, oh, God loves
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her the most, right, The most beautiful, the most talented,
48:03
God loves her the most or whatever that might be.
48:05
And so we clamor to get to the top when it's like we're all,
48:09
we're all just standing on the same ground because we're all
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made by the same hands of the same creator.
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He made each of us with such unique gifts and strings.
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And if we're so busy looking at, oh, what's she good at?
48:19
Instead of saying, Lord, what gifts have you given me?
48:21
How do you want me to share them with the world?
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And how do you want me to celebrate the gifts of other
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women? That is transformative.
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Did you feel like a spirit of competition kind of in your
48:31
life? Even for some people, it's like
48:32
among siblings, right? That spirit of competition that
48:34
that is sown. Did you feel like that?
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Like as a small girl through high school and college?
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I think for me, it was this perfectionist spent where even
48:42
if I wasn't like, yeah, there would be occasional comparisons,
48:45
but it was more like I was constantly fighting against how
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I thought I should be, how I was supposed to be.
48:52
So you don't, that's a weird thing with comparison.
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You don't even need another person to to beat yourself up.
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You can just like have yourself and be like, I'm not good
49:02
enough, you know, I'm not doing enough.
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So, so that it's gonna be an ideal.
49:05
And honestly, I think the, the girls that I would most compare
49:07
myself to would be like characters and like books that I
49:10
would read or, or honestly, people like Saint Joan of Arc,
49:12
remember reading, you know, Mark Twain about her life at age 12.
49:16
And I was like, how do I do that?
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Like I can never, like, I could never like have her mother
49:21
marry. Like she's so amazing.
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So, but they can, it can be you. They can be inspirations like
49:29
another woman's good, or truly remarkable attributes like
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really exceptional attributes, character traits or otherwise.
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Couldn't be a source of inspiration or like a heavy
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burden. It's so true.
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And we got a choice. What's what lane will we choose?
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But how do we like? What would, what would be the
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truth then that you have on top of, of the podium to step into
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the truth of being inspired maybe by other women and, and
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the beautiful gifts that other women are, well, not taking it
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as making it into this competition.
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And I think a key to that too is like the scarcity mindset, like,
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well, if they're like, if mother Mary is really holy, then I
50:08
can't be really holy. And it's like, well, you might
50:10
not be ever. You're not going to be mother
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Mary. That's OK though.
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You're you're you, and God will give you everything you need for
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you. Absolutely.
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It's that choice of am I going to let the remarkable nature of
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this woman inspire me or get me down?
50:25
And when I'm rooted in the Lord, I say, Lord, let this woman
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inspire me rather than me to negatively compare myself.
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It takes a really conscious choosing because so often we, I
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believe, are wired into that comparison mindset, that
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conscious choosing to say Lord, like in prayer, right?
50:43
Even just a simple prayer, right?
50:44
Some woman gets some part in some play that you want and
50:47
you're so devastated and you just want to be like, you're so
50:51
mad. Lord, in this moment, help me to
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celebrate her. Help me to celebrate her win.
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Even though I don't feel like celebrating her win, help me to
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celebrate her. And the Lord will be there with
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you and He will be there for you, and He will comfort your
51:04
heart in the way that only He can.
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When it's, you know, an opportunity given to someone
51:09
else that you want wanted, or you're just struggling with
51:12
insecurity about who you are as a person.
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When you look around at all the women around you and feel like
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everybody is so much better than me.
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The Lord wants to meet you there and show you who you are as
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beloved with the gifts He's given you.
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So good. This book is very intense.
51:25
Yes, it is. It's very intense and it's
51:28
substantive, it's entertaining and engaging, but it's like
51:31
it's, you know, it's a, it's like eating a whole sandwich
51:35
Chapter 1. And you might not be ready to
51:37
eat the next sandwich. So you might be able to depends
51:41
on your appetite, I guess. But what, what's, what's, what
51:44
has been, what have been the reviews like in terms of the
51:47
impact of people reading it? So one woman described it and I
51:50
just thought it was such an appropriate response.
51:53
She said it's like a box of chocolate truffles.
51:56
She said some people will be tempted to to eat them.
51:59
All right. You want to just eat all 24 in
52:00
one sitting. But she said you should take it
52:03
one at a time to really savor what is being said here, to
52:06
allow it to resonate in your heart again, whether it's about
52:09
your life experience or not. Sometimes you'll be able to get
52:12
through 5, right? And sometimes you, you'll think,
52:14
wow, that was enough for me to think about for three weeks to
52:17
take to the Lord in prayer, right?
52:19
For three weeks. I had a friend who she read the
52:22
book in the fall and she did a personal retreat for herself for
52:26
a weekend and she did the whole personal retreat on one of the
52:28
letters. She let that be her spiritual
52:30
direction because it was, she found it to be a pain point of
52:33
such unbelievable depth in her life and her experience that she
52:37
just unpacked that with her spiritual director for the whole
52:40
weekend. So some people will do 5-10,
52:42
some people will be one at a time.
52:44
It's going to be. Or read, maybe read until you
52:47
get to that letters experience. Yeah, for me the 1st letter like
52:51
that made me put it down for a little while because so much of
52:54
my work is on the World Wide Web.
52:55
Yes, and it's hard. Yes, for sure to find that
52:58
balance. To be to even do the work on the
53:00
World Wide Web because of all of this snags and snares that come
53:03
with it. For sure, and this book is
53:05
perfect for women's groups. But I will warn you, you will
53:08
get through one letter and two hours later, you'll still be
53:11
talking about it. I had my sisters read some of
53:13
the letters and we talked about one letter together for an hour
53:16
and a half. Just one.
53:17
You don't even like, do you? Just at the end of the thing,
53:20
say, how does this relate to your experience?
53:21
And women, I have found, will just share from the depths of
53:25
their souls. And just it is fodder for
53:29
incredibly vulnerable conversations, which I want to
53:32
encourage among people with the meat and the depth and the
53:35
intensity that is obviously present in the book.
53:38
I love that Emily sandwich and truffle.
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Whatever you want to call it, good for you.
53:44
Thank you for writing this book. Thank you for writing sincerely,
53:47
Stoneheart, and pouring so much of your heart into it.
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I know it was a labor of love. Of a lifetime, I don't know that
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I will ever have to labor like this and at any point in my life
53:57
from the heart. So thank you for allowing me to
54:00
share it with your listeners. And I hope that whoever out
54:02
there reads it, that it really helps set you free from the lies
54:05
that you've believed into living in freedom and hope and the joy
54:10
that the Lord wants for you. Where can people find and buy
54:12
sincerely Stone Heart. It is available wherever books
54:15
are sold, so you can get it on Amazon or at Barnes and Noble.
54:18
Christian Book books-a-million. You can find it anywhere and I
54:21
would love for you to read and share with your friends.
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Amazing. Thank you, Emily.
54:25
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