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Rushion Interviews CEO and Chairman of Axios, Jim VandeHei | Hip Hop Icon to Entrepreneurial Superstar, Jim Jones! · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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  Speaker 1: My guess is Jim and owns. He's a hip hop icon,
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  Speaker 1: television star, entrepreneur, and entertainment mogul under Rock Nation Management.
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  Speaker 1: He's one of the founding members of the Nantes rap group.
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  Speaker 1: To diplomats, Jones is known for successful hits as We
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  Speaker 1: Fly High, Pop Cheftain, and Jim was to co found
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  Speaker 1: the h One's Love and Hip Hop. This is what
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  Speaker 1: it gets interesting in the world of entrepreneurship and the
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  Speaker 1: business mogul that he is. He's launched his own and
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about this in an interview. He's launched
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  Speaker 1: his own cryptocurrency. He's a vamp v i P. That's
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  Speaker 1: another project. Saucy Farms and Extract that's another project. Another
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  Speaker 1: project is the partner of the Richmond frought Riders of
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  Speaker 1: the AFL. Another project Quarantine Studios via title. All these
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  Speaker 1: projects and more, we'll be talking in a minute with
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  Speaker 1: the one and only Jim Jones on money Making Conversations Masterclass,
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  Speaker 1: because you seem to be right now, Mr Jones, making
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  Speaker 1: some money. Talk to me, really good man. You know
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna get to the drip report if you don't mind.
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  Speaker 1: But I but when I saw all this, uh this
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  Speaker 1: this an entrepreneurial spirit here because I've seen so many
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  Speaker 1: iconic hip hoppers transition into the business world and it
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  Speaker 1: seems to be natural. But then again, we didn't see
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  Speaker 1: that coming because we saw your as artists, um businesses
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  Speaker 1: and a natural progressive for anybody who's an artists are
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  Speaker 1: taking their craft seriously and like to make money. Um. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: music is this episode for you to think a lot
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  Speaker 1: of ancillary problem um, and that you don't understand that
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  Speaker 1: as an artist, you really need to rethink what's your
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  Speaker 1: job as an artist? Right? When you when you when
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  Speaker 1: you do you tie that gym to like the the
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  Speaker 1: amount of time you're spending the studio, the amount of
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  Speaker 1: tack because you know, as as as as an artist,
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  Speaker 1: you are an entrepreneur. You know you you set your
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  Speaker 1: on ours, you set your on work schedule. You don't
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  Speaker 1: live on a forty hour week and could be an
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  Speaker 1: eighty hour week and could be a forty eight hour day.
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  Speaker 1: Is that is that an advantage for you to have
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  Speaker 1: been nurtured that way to being able to take along
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  Speaker 1: all these entrepreneur platforms that you're doing today. Um, it
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  Speaker 1: has it has great advantages to be able to get
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  Speaker 1: up the move when you want to work for how
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  Speaker 1: long you needed to work and stay on something until
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  Speaker 1: until until it happens, and things like that. On me,
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  Speaker 1: average person has a redland ninety five. They don't have
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  Speaker 1: the luxuries of time, so they have to squeeze in
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  Speaker 1: whatever hustle they can in the time that they have
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  Speaker 1: left or on their day. Uh, somebody like myself, I
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  Speaker 1: wake up and I spend my whole time and the
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  Speaker 1: things that I want to see happen right now. The
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  Speaker 1: thing that is really at the top of everybody's mind now,
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  Speaker 1: and I've really been trying to educate African Americans, the
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  Speaker 1: people of color. It's cryptocurrency. You know, it's a digital
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  Speaker 1: currency that's not going anywhere. And but as always, uh,
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  Speaker 1: the brown and black communities seem to be the last,
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  Speaker 1: the last to get credit, the last to get the
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  Speaker 1: right job. Where are you on the cryptocurrency edgy cation model?
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  Speaker 1: And you've launched this this this this currency? Are you
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  Speaker 1: are you? Are you carring an educational platform along with it?
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  Speaker 1: Are you just just created this blockchain as a revenue generator. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I was educating people on crypto currency entities maybe the
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  Speaker 1: past three years. I was before artist was on it. Um.
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  Speaker 1: Cryptal currency is a beautiful thing. I mean, everybody got
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  Speaker 1: onto it, all got commercialized during the pandemic when everybody
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  Speaker 1: was in the house, so it worked tremendously. Um As
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  Speaker 1: things open backed up and you get to see the
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  Speaker 1: cryptal taking a dip, which is not bad. Which is
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  Speaker 1: not bad because in any market, when things take a
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  Speaker 1: dip is not the worst thing. Most likely you should
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  Speaker 1: double up on on what you have. UM. We to
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  Speaker 1: be able to jump into the business and be able
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  Speaker 1: to school our people on something that we usually lasted
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  Speaker 1: no or last long with something great for me. And
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  Speaker 1: one of the things to have propelled me to create
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  Speaker 1: my own social currency, which is capital Coin, was what
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  Speaker 1: we could do inside the neighborhood and how I could
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  Speaker 1: approach it by being able to add a discount prices
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  Speaker 1: everywhere that capital Coin is accepted. UM. So nowly playing
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  Speaker 1: the game was a standing fast and holding our chips
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  Speaker 1: to everything go back up. This is a real way
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  Speaker 1: for people to get rich, more wealthy than they've ever
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  Speaker 1: seen by just playing the game a little bit. Well,
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  Speaker 1: can you help me out a little bit, because I
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  Speaker 1: kid you not, Jim. I've had probably about thirty people
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  Speaker 1: on my show and trying to slow my brain down,
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  Speaker 1: wrap my brain around what exactly is cryptocurrency? You know,
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  Speaker 1: I got in this sense that you know, on one
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  Speaker 1: conversation had you know, well, you have a credit card,
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  Speaker 1: and then on a credit card you have a credit line,
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  Speaker 1: and but in cryptocurrency you have a wallet and that
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  Speaker 1: wallet allows you to make purchases. Can you help me
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  Speaker 1: and make my audience to tell us exactly how does
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  Speaker 1: cryptocurrency work and why we should be involved in it? Well,
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  Speaker 1: cryptal currency is not but digital woman, pretty soon the
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  Speaker 1: physical dollar will be no more. All bank institutions will
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  Speaker 1: only be using digital money, and cryptal currency is a
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  Speaker 1: formar digital money. Um, I'm not a financial advisable. I
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  Speaker 1: can't advise people that this is something you need to
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  Speaker 1: tap into all. And yes, the first thing you should
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  Speaker 1: do is find a good crypto wallity so that you
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  Speaker 1: can't start staring all your cryptocurrencies only your u uh uh.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you know it's not as difficult as people
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  Speaker 1: see them. Just like you have to be a bank
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  Speaker 1: card and your bank account. Staring your money though has
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  Speaker 1: to do with numbers and like to stop mother, there's
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  Speaker 1: a crypto currency can't go up or it can go down,
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  Speaker 1: so you have to be very keen. But they have
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  Speaker 1: different things where you can take your money out and
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  Speaker 1: put it in these secure crypto counsel with your money,
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  Speaker 1: don't drop, go up. I mean, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: different ways you can go about it. And you start
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  Speaker 1: to see a DiPT this ways for you to make
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  Speaker 1: sure you secure your money. So don't get scared. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: all the things that people say about it's is definitely
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  Speaker 1: the future and it's definitely not going anywhere. This is
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  Speaker 1: how we're all gonna have to spend our money pretty soon.
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  Speaker 1: There's no way around it. Absolutely. You go to restaurants
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  Speaker 1: right now, you know they won't take cash, they want
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  Speaker 1: a credit card exactly exactly. So it's the same difference
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  Speaker 1: pretty soon and to be tapped in the crypto. Here's
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  Speaker 1: the interesting thing about you know, started my life I
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  Speaker 1: worked at IBM and then I left IM to be
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  Speaker 1: a stand up comic. So I was making all my
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  Speaker 1: money physically. You know, if I don't walked on stage,
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  Speaker 1: I gotta check. Same way with you. You walked on stage,
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  Speaker 1: you perform, or the music you got checks. Now you
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  Speaker 1: enter this multiple streams of income now without a plan
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  Speaker 1: action that you put in place, or you just saw
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  Speaker 1: opportunities that you started investing your money in places you
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  Speaker 1: feel comfortable. I know I wasn't a plan of action.
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  Speaker 1: It was just this life like. The more opportunities I
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  Speaker 1: can have for myself to better chances I have become successful,
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  Speaker 1: added more money to the power. UM out from homem
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  Speaker 1: oh you learned about was hustling. When you hold hustles
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  Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily mean hustler. Drubs means you hustle or something
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  Speaker 1: to make some money. I was very good at that.
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  Speaker 1: I figured why not the most average the average engineer,
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  Speaker 1: the average millionaire has about seven seven hustles or seven
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  Speaker 1: jobs they say the side of the hustles. UM, I
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  Speaker 1: got a little bit more than that. So I'm doing
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  Speaker 1: pretty good out here. But I challenged myself to take
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  Speaker 1: on different things that excite me. UM. There's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of things that interest me. So I start to find
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  Speaker 1: myself taking on opportunities as they present themselves, because they
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  Speaker 1: probably won't present itself twice. But one of the ones
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  Speaker 1: that we stood out the most to me was the
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  Speaker 1: Richmond rough Riders. How did you get involved in the
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  Speaker 1: football team? UM, Opportunity to present itself to my influence,
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  Speaker 1: how influence who I am and when I could bring
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  Speaker 1: to the table. UM, And I thought that for what
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  Speaker 1: it was, what it was where I was at in
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  Speaker 1: my position is that it can be a great thing
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  Speaker 1: for the hip hop community as we can to create
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  Speaker 1: our own multi cultural football league and uh, the reading
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  Speaker 1: football it's a it's a great business. It's very lucrative. UM.
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  Speaker 1: And I do think if they ask the marketing was
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  Speaker 1: cond of passing from from the culture, it can be
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  Speaker 1: a multi multi million million dollar business. UM. Probably billion
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  Speaker 1: dollar business wants to be touching. So that was my
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  Speaker 1: phold strategy and becoming a part owner of the reading
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  Speaker 1: Football team. Who knows, maybe down the line, I might
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  Speaker 1: indulge in all of this a reading football. Uh some
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  Speaker 1: maybe smoke sports. But yeah, it was very fun, very educational. UM.
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  Speaker 1: Learned a lot about the sport. Well, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: beauty of what you're doing is that we know that
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  Speaker 1: content is came and we know that the more they stream,
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  Speaker 1: they gotta have content. And that's why you know, me
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  Speaker 1: asking that question, it was not a question why are
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  Speaker 1: you doing that. It's a caution that you're getting in
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  Speaker 1: early when they when they're getting the small before it
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  Speaker 1: becomes large. You know, like several years ago, you know
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  Speaker 1: you can buy and eight team for seven hundred thousand dollars,
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  Speaker 1: not about to sell the Phoenix songs for one point
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  Speaker 1: eight billion dollars. And so that's just several years ago.
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  Speaker 1: We're not talking about ten years ago, like five years ago.
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  Speaker 1: That's how the cost of an NBA team was. And
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  Speaker 1: so now you're looking at this a f L team
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  Speaker 1: and going, Okay, I'm making it. I'm just talking to
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  Speaker 1: my audience as I talked to you, is that sometimes
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  Speaker 1: you have to be a visionary when you're making your
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  Speaker 1: investments and see why the how these platforms are being
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  Speaker 1: uh viewed at when you when all these competitors are
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  Speaker 1: out there trying to feel time through streaming, feeling time
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  Speaker 1: because all of the networks are grabbing all the content.
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  Speaker 1: So these networks are going to have to have content.
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  Speaker 1: So why not you, Yes, of course exactly. But that's
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  Speaker 1: what I like to do. I'd like to get into
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  Speaker 1: businesses that the culture has not already commercialized. Like, uh
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  Speaker 1: so I have uh tobacco deal for some tobacco leavest.
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  Speaker 1: Uh marijuana is um legal. I was a thirty eight state.
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  Speaker 1: So where we were buying some guards before, we can
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  Speaker 1: now market directed consumer for people that smoke man want us.
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  Speaker 1: And I know that nobody has really infiltrated. Is that
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  Speaker 1: the saucy farms and extracts. That's actually that's actually matter.
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  Speaker 1: Juana shouts the saucy farms tobacco to what we roll
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  Speaker 1: out my mind and so there's no difference than what
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  Speaker 1: Puffy's doing with siroc or j doesn't as state on
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  Speaker 1: this gona come from the tobacco ads. We know tobacco, alcohol,
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  Speaker 1: and firearms run the United States. Come on, come on,
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: first Amendment, Come on, come on with that second, third, fourth, fifth.
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  Speaker 1: They're gonna keep it all. But you know we'll be
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: right back with more Money Making Conversations Master Class with
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  Speaker 1: Rushan McDonald. Now, let's return to Money Making Conversations master
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  Speaker 1: Class with Rushan mcdone. The thing about it is that
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  Speaker 1: you know, I've seen your career. You know, I've been
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  Speaker 1: as as we all and then I then I see
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  Speaker 1: how you you've tapped in, like you said, loving hip Hop,
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  Speaker 1: you know, which is an iconic reality show. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's so iconic that you'd be watching football on Fox,
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  Speaker 1: and they got commercials. You know, that's how its transcended
• 12:20
  Speaker 1: the community when you came up with that, they said
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: one of the co creators, Talk Walkers, walked me through
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  Speaker 1: the steps of how that process worked with you, how
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: the idea came upon you, and then seeing it becoming
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  Speaker 1: the iconic show because you have put the iconic on it,
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  Speaker 1: because it was just it was just just a hip
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  Speaker 1: hop show. It was just it was my lady had
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  Speaker 1: a chance to do some reality TV. It didn't go
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  Speaker 1: It didn't go down for all the way it was
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  Speaker 1: supposed to. Opportunity to do it with jim ackumen Over
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  Speaker 1: vh one, who was running things. UM took a meeting
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  Speaker 1: with him, told him what I had on the table.
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  Speaker 1: He said, let's run it, Let's figure out a synopsis.
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  Speaker 1: Gave a synopsis, gave him the name Love and Hip
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  Speaker 1: Hop UM. At that time, I know what the opportunity
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  Speaker 1: was was I didn't know. I say, I didn't understand that.
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't knowledgeable how important the business was at that
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  Speaker 1: time because I was making much money and uh lady
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  Speaker 1: by the name of Mona Scott, it was knowledgeable of
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  Speaker 1: how girl girl I was and I was putting together.
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  Speaker 1: So I was bitter with her for a long time
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  Speaker 1: for her for the movie that she made was it
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  Speaker 1: was business and she understood. So you know, but me
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  Speaker 1: and my lady was smart enough to walk away from
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  Speaker 1: very early because he did. We ain't gonn compromise and
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  Speaker 1: integrity for anyone. And you know, I took my hand
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  Speaker 1: to those who made a success of the show after
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  Speaker 1: be left. Um, how people should be telling me thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody's on the show should be telling me thank you,
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  Speaker 1: because it definitely wouldn't at all, and nobody would be
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  Speaker 1: doing no Love and Hip Hop or getting no Love
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  Speaker 1: and Hip Hop checks if it wasn't for me at all.
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  Speaker 1: Has nothing to do with moment, has everything to the
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  Speaker 1: inception of what was created, and that was created by
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  Speaker 1: Jim Jones, Christie Lampkin and Emily Boost the month. That's
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  Speaker 1: what I wanted to hear. But you know the thing
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  Speaker 1: about it, when you do something like that, man, you
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  Speaker 1: change the game. Brother, you know the whole you know
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  Speaker 1: introduced are you seeling and losing? Yeah? Man, father, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what just happen. My phone is dropped up,
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  Speaker 1: but we're back. Yeah cool, because we was just you know,
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  Speaker 1: I was just complimenting you on a on a game
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  Speaker 1: change and visionary show that it's really what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: The inks you talk about all these shows they laid there,
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  Speaker 1: They laid the foundation about what you presented and then
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  Speaker 1: to see the show at this level now. But also
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  Speaker 1: just giving credit that a visionary that all sat down
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  Speaker 1: and said this is what it should be. Here's the name.
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  Speaker 1: Ride with me, Trust with me, and that has been
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  Speaker 1: basically your career throughout music. Is that people have trusted you.
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  Speaker 1: And what what do you what do you lay that
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  Speaker 1: quality down? Just to be in consistent, A man on
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  Speaker 1: your word? What do you tie that to? Um? Both
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  Speaker 1: of us? A number of things, but definitely being a
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  Speaker 1: man of my word. Inconsistency, being consistent is everything to me.
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  Speaker 1: Like I tell people all the time, when you can't
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  Speaker 1: stay motivated, stay consistent and consistency is gonna bring back
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  Speaker 1: all the motivation you need. Um. And just putting in
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  Speaker 1: all work as as as clichet as it may sound,
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  Speaker 1: we've gotta put you forward over here, UM, that always work.
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  Speaker 1: And being able to think outside the box, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean? Like everybody think the normal, I think
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  Speaker 1: the thing is to stand out in today's world instead
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  Speaker 1: of standing and depending in everybody else. And these are
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  Speaker 1: the sim of the things that are always trying to
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  Speaker 1: do and making my decisions to make business now. And
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  Speaker 1: that is the fun. I've been having a great time
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  Speaker 1: talking to you. But the front part of this was
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: just watching you do the Drip Report. It's been renewed
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  Speaker 1: for a six season of Revote. Tell me how you
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  Speaker 1: got into that, the whole fact that you're doing real
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  Speaker 1: weather for real. That met that that and and then
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  Speaker 1: tied hip hop and time just out to it was
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  Speaker 1: that original concept that that you thought of. Somebody came
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  Speaker 1: you said, what do you think about this? Um? Well,
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  Speaker 1: it started with Hurricane Irban in Miami a few years
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  Speaker 1: ago and I had to go down there. Christie didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to leave, so we were stuck in the midst
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  Speaker 1: of the hurricane. Colleague of mindset, you might as well
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  Speaker 1: give him the weather report while you're out there, you
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  Speaker 1: play about play, which is what we did, give my
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  Speaker 1: own version of the weather. So I love what people
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  Speaker 1: like you start talking. You're missing all these beautiful steps
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  Speaker 1: all right coming about So you was on your Instagram
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  Speaker 1: doing it? Where were you at giving it on Instagram.
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  Speaker 1: Christie was helping me recorded uh do it on the
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  Speaker 1: balcony to end up going supervirou UM propelled me to
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  Speaker 1: do it a few more times, got some calls from
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  Speaker 1: like Nori was like, now you gotta you gotta do that, y'all.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good one. I kept with it, kept with
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  Speaker 1: it for like another here and there, hitting it on
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  Speaker 1: the Graham and then had the opportunity to me uh
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  Speaker 1: the tao for me and um. Who is the CEO
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  Speaker 1: of Revote right now? He wasn't a Revote at the time. Um,
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  Speaker 1: he did something stinky like, y'all, I like your show.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know how long I'm gonna be here at
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: this position, but wherever go, I would like to take
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: take this show I did with me and see if
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: you can happen. And that's what you did. End up
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Revote Um Drip Report is now going on the sixth season.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: UM going to add a couple of little twist to
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: it this season. UM, fun show. I look forward to
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: uh to doing the weather. Um. It gives me a
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: piece of mind. I like it. Well, you know what
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: what I like is the is the is the when
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: you start talking about the clothes now talk about these
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: are these particular relationships you have, are they're part of
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: your any clothes lines that you're launching because of Because
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: that really, to me, is an opportunity for young artists
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: to get exposure through your brand, through your through your
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: conic statue. How does the wardrobe come together on each show? Um?
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: I have a stylus. Um, And for the life of me,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: I've been pretty influencial when it comes to uh, the
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: drip and the style absolutely absolutely um. And then I
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: give an opportunity for up and coming black designers to
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: send me someone thank you they're product, and showcase it
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: on the screen and thank you. I was doing that
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: for free for like the first five seasons, but I
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: think it's pretty fair. I'll continue to do different things
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: like that, but it's gonna start to cost a couple
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: of dollars now you go. But but but what we're
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: gonna come with, Jim, you are entrepreneur. I can't believe
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: you're not saying, Rachel, look, I got some I got
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: some some some some shoes coming out, I got some
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: pass I got why the dripping ports should be you?
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: You should be dripping hundred a hundred million percent and
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: this ship, I will start to showcase some of uh
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: the clothing allons. There you go, there you go, some
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: merch for people to buy, some National Drop Report merchant
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: that you can buy umbrellas, things like that. So yeah,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: just as soon as that umbrella come out, I got
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: to get one. Brother, I got to get there right now.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: I got to get the umbrella. I'm based in Atlanta.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Little tell to whoever your PR person said, Richard wants
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: the first umbrella in Atlanta, And I'm gonna posted the
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Drip Report right here in Atlanta. Got the umbrella. I
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: love it, man. You know the thing about it, I
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: love the you know, like I'm enthusiastic about everything I
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: see that you're doing with your career. You know, we
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: met back in two thousands six when I was doing
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: the MTV show UH the Barbershop and UH and just
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: to see the your your game and your thought process
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: and to see the I what I love about you
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: when I watched the show is that it's an honest,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: fun show. You're not taking yourself serious, but what you
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: delivering information think it is serious. And when you get
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: your interviews, they're short but effective. Is that intentional? Because
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: a lot of times, the interviews, you know, they go
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: ten minutes, fifteen minutes, like this interview is like twenty minutes.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Is that? Is that the goal to keep it short
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: like that and to keep the segment movement because it's
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: very effective. Yeah, I mean for to do for the
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: average watching today, they watched and listen to they watch
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: TV faster, they listen to music fast. People tend to
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: have a short attention spanding we have before because we
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: have these cell phones and social media and everything. So
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: the quicker and more effective I could get my point
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: across through the show is better for me and the market.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Hit those important points that last with people forever. Hits
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: ald with me, It hits told with me, and it
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: hits told with me and they and they buy into
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: it because they get they were the report where they
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: at which I love too. A couple of things I
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: want to wrap up because you're a businessman, I kind
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: of ran over through it, ran through it when I
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: introduce you, give me some background on vamp TV and
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: then also Saucy Farms and that's tracks well their TV
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: as uh well. A quantity studio. Quantity studio, I have
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: a build a technology the a ws UM uh figured
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: out how to UH record virtually in real time woma
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: A and R then making be in space UM something.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: I've created seven albums during the pandemic. UM very useful.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: UM was able to show a WS what UH figured
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: out to using other platforms in my favorite in the
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: concluty Mind. So now I have a UH technology core
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: quarantine studios at a WS. That's the back end. I'm
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: trying to work on building the front end. As you know,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: it becomes kind of pricey one you build the websites
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: and attached spensing only I'm not and I'm not the
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: most technical person or the most nerdy, but I kind
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: of understand the way things run. You look like you
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: need the Vetor capitalist that Jim Joe. You need the
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: vetr capitalis that comes to a VC board to come
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: in on. Yeah, I do, I do. I had a
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: couple of meets with them. It's kind of hard to
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: explain to somebody something that sounds like witchcraft when you're
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: telling us. So I have to actually physically show people
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: with this quarantine studio thing is about so they can
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: actually get it. UM. But we still push forward. I
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: know somebody's coming with what we need to make the
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: business uh functional bull and I'm can't wait for that
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: day and I know that did soon. And Sausa Farms.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Sci Farms is a marijuana company that UM have a
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: bit of ownership in it. UM currently did a deal
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: with Jay Z's Big Marijuana Band for distribution. So I'm
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: not as hands on as I used to be. You know,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: I'm just sitting away for the big check to come.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: But I am working with High Tolerance, which is another
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: marijuana company, and we're doing some big things. We just started.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Just got out. We decide the stores means well he
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: has I can't feel my face and I have knocked out.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: We just finished doing a big, big much to this summer.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: So it was my one is legal and thirty eight
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: States is deathly the next thing. You know, I love
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: talking to you because it's like talking to him. You know,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: it's a it's a wild conversation talking to you because you,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: like you said, I just get that check. You know,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: you just turn just I just get that check, you
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: get that mailbox money coming in. You know you're dripping
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: on TV. You know Rishano have him my umbrella in Atlanta,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: dripping for the umbrella coming soon. I just love it man. Congratulations, brother,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: That's why I just wanted to talk because, like you know, man,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: we we we we're getting this business as entertainers and
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: we just grinding. Man. We we don't look five years ahead,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: we don't look tenures ahead. But as a business person,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: you do look like that. That's a difference. We do
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: look like that. We do look like the legacy talk
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: because this is assets and that's what you build it
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: right now as assets. It has to make you feel good.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, it definitely makes me feel good, especially from
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: where I was that anybody goes through the up and
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: downs and that's how you get back up. And the
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Greece the Guard, I was able to get back up
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: and keep moving. So to be here right now from
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: where I was a few years ago, there's no better gratification.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: I feel good. But for gratifications, did you took time
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: to tell me, my audience and my fans that you're
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: doing great? You're looking good man, and I'm continue to
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: support you and again, brother, God bless you man and
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: keep being you. Jim Jones, thank you very much. Man.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: When I get to Atlanta, I'm gonna look you up
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: and be house and dinner something absolutely it comes from
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: I I show you my little palatial place. Man. I think,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: I think, I think I impress you a little bit
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: down here in Atlanta, Brothers. In fact, I gotta kitchen,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: so we won't go nowhere. I fixed food right here
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: in my place. Okay for us, Okay, stay strong. We'll
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: be used to talk to you soon. Bye bye. I
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: have a good one, bro, We'll be right back with
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: more Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald. You are
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: now tuned into the Money Making Conversations Minute of Inspiration
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: with Rushan McDonald. Hi, I'm Rashan McDonald for Money Making
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Conversation Masterclass with your daily Minute of Inspiration. Recently I
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: spoke with artists, actor entrepreneur j Young M d K.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: He addresses the importance of knowing who you are and
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: understanding your purpose. I try not to, like I said
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: a little earlier, like I'm a glass half full type
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: of person. The biggest thing like with this is just
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: knowing who you are and knowing what you're there for.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: You have to know who you are. You don't know
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: who you are, you you're gonna have problems in life
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: period because someone could tell you're something else that someone
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: could say you look ugly? Are you stupid? Are you
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: are looking at you because of the color? Yes, and
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: and you will feel insecure about that. But once you
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: know who you are, you know what you represent. Unfortunately,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: success come with hate. If you want to listen to
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: this four interview with j M. D k is available
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: on Money Making Conversations dot com. Now let's return to
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rashan McDonald. My guess is
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Jim Vanderhi. He is the co founder, CEO and chairman
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: of Axiust, a media company that helps readers and viewers
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: like me get smarter, faster across the Constal Countrol topics,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: reshaping our country and lives. At CEO, Vanderhi has steered
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: access into becoming one of the most celebrated digital media
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: success stories in the past decade. He's on the show
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: discussing his new book, Smart Brevity, The Power of Saying
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: More were Less. Please Welcome to Money Making Conversations Masterclass.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Jim Vanderhi, thank you for having me to treat that.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: I love the philosophy of your show, so I'm eager
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: to dig in. I appreciate it as I stumbled through it.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: I guess I was trying to use less words to
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: get to the heart of the matter. And the heart
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: of the matter is this interview. Um. You know, I
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: I grew up in the era of shorthand. You know what,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: a language that people don't use any more than these
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: little cursed words that make words shorter. And you get
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: through the process a lot of secretaries are using if
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: you want to take notes in shorthand. And then I
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: then I came through the whole process of watching people
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: through texting. They started shortening things even more so, and
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: sometimes you know, l O L is laugh out loud
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: and things like that. And then I come across this
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: book called Smart Brevity, which is more about communication at
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: all different levels. How did this whole idea come about, Jim, Yeah,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: I mean so it came about because smart Brevity is
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: kind of the core philosophy of the media company Axios
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: that we started. And what we were trying to solve
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: for was you, me, your listeners, and anybody who's trying
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: to get ahead and kind of you know, be successful
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: at life. We just need to know a lot more
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: across more topics than ever before. You have to come
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: and to understand technology and media and politics and business,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: and that's a lot. There's a lot to ask for
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: busy people, and so we came up with this concept
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: of smart Brevity, which is really high quality, trusted content,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: but delivered as efficiently as possible. You know, so much
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: of what you and I were taught coming up in
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: journalism and coming up as communicators was not necessarily to
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: be efficient. It was to fill time or to fill
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: news holes. And our idea was, well, people don't have
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: time for that anymore than the smart phone and people
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: checking it two fifty times a day makes it really
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: impossible for that. And so writing the book was kind
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: of an expression of I learned a lot from starting
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: in our company. I feel blessed we've done well, and
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: I want to share with other people the things that
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: have been really helpful to me in terms of how
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: can you be a much better communicator? Right? Well, know
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: the thing about communication and when I look at my world,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: you know, before I started my company, uh this platform,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Money Made Conversation Master Class. I managed Steve Harvey from
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: two thousand, so just reshaping his brand and get the idea,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, when I stopped managed
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: them in twenty sixteen, I didn't know who I was.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: So it's a whole world of branding and communication. So
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: I had all these credits, I had all this information
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: about me, but it was massive, and so the whole
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: term of brevity I had to learn it on the flat,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: because that's what brevity is about, being able to tell
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: your story and if I'm wrong in a short form,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: but really still deliver information that people want to hear.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Correct for sure, for sure, And and it's harder, as
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: you know, to be brief than it is to be
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: long winded. And it really takes We have the slogan
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: here of taped up on the wall that brevity's confidence
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: length is fear to really sharpen your thinking and be
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: succinct and be clear about who you are and what
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: you want to express. It's not easy. You need to
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: be thoughtful about Yeah. I always tell people I believe
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: there are two thousand seven in that timeline when uh,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: when Hillary Clinton at the time I announced her presidency,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: I believe on the iPhone and I said that I
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: always go back to that point where it changed the
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: way we do bit through our whole world, because you know,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: when we look at it now, I feel like the
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: iPhone have been around thirty or forty years and it
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: really hasn't been around that long, but it has changed
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: that dynamic of how we communicate from a from a
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: visual standpoint, from audio standpoint, from a texting standpoint. Is
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: that if you look at life, you know, because you know,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: we started with fire, you know, and then we then
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: we flew and then now we have the iPhone, when
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: you look at it, it maybe a qution too big
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: the ass answer, but is that probably the the one
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: form of technology science has really just leaped forward so
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: fast in our life, but certainly in communications. It's the
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: biggest thing since the printing press, like once you can
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: put down the written word and distributed mass scale, it
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: radically changed the world. Well now with the iPhone, and
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: you're a good memory, it was two thousand seven when
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: when the iPhone came out, like now, suddenly all of
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: us have infinite access, often at a relatively low price,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: to as much information as one could possible Leaf fathom
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: and I don't think whereas a species were made for this.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: I think we're getting hit with too much information too fast.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: I think people don't know what to trust. I think
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: people have this ability to express themselves, often in unhealthy ways,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: and all these social platforms and find somebody out there
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: who will applaud us or like us or friend us,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: even if we're saying or doing things we probably shouldn't do.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: I think that explains a lot of why politics has
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: kind of gone off the rails. And but what it's
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: also done is it's made it really hard to communicate.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: It's made it really hard to win this war for attention.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Like when I'm talking to you, I'm not just competing
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: against like error or you maybe like getting distracted by
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: by a bird. I'm like your phone might beep, you
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: might get a tender update, you might get a text update,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: you might have people calling, emailing, slap, you know, slacking you. Like,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: there's just a thousand things and that's new and nobody
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: sat down and it actually taught people to rethink how
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: you communicate in this era of chaos. Yeah, you know,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: it's really interesting. I thank you for coming. I'm talking
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: to Jim vanderher he's the co founder, CEO chairman of Access.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: But more importantly, he's on my show to discuss one
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: of the writers of the book Smart Brevity, The power
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: of saying more with less. He's one of the co
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: creators of access and as well as political. Um, you
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: have been a guy who's been behind putting your words Smith,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: I would say a word Smith, because people take your
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: words and articulate them and they read them. And uh.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: And there's a skill like my My skill is my
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: degrees in mathematics. So you through a number of me,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: I can throw it back to you just as fast.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: And that's by communication. And so I nor in my life.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: I grew up. I was born under rotary dial telephones,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: so I know the how long it took you to
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: die befo, you know, so you know exactly just watching that.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: And I remember in eighteen ninety I went to like
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: a little science fair. They was talking about the video
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: telephone and you know, you want it will be able
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: to die. This was uh seventies. They were talking about
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: video telephones and I went wow, and I saw how
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: long we took to get the video telephones were like
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: two thousand seven really, And so when you look at
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: all these transition and it's about communication because at one
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: time used to be able to say GM, you used
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: to be able to lead a house and nobody could
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: reach you. And then when you got back then communication
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: started again. And I think that's the part of life
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: that we are are we being beat up too much
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: with too much information, And that is why what you're
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: talking about is so necessary. We were communicating to people
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: on a daily basis. Yeah, I think beat up is
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: a good term for it. I think we are being
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: crushed by information. We're ingesting too much of it. Uh
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: And certainly if it's long and it's not worthy of
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: our time, it's a it's a waste of of of
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: our mind share, and it's a real problem. It's just
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: like you said, I mean, I think about this programming
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: like you and I are doing an on zoom during
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: a different city. I'm in a different city. Somebody could
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: be listening to this in their car. Somebody could be
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: wanting this in their car. Somebody could be in the
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: woods and happen to have nice satellite connectivity and be
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: able to watch it as crispally and here it as
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: clearly as you and I. And that's just a different world.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: And the big thing about the book is you you
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: have to take the world as it is, not the
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  Speaker 1: way the world, the world you wish it were to be.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: And and the way it is is that people are distracted.
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  Speaker 1: People have very little time, and if you're not respectful
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: of their time and respectful of their intelligence, they're not
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: going to read or hear what you're trying to say.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: And that is a waste of time on a waste
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: of energy. And if you don't retool your skill set
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: to make sure that you're able to communicate, particularly at
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: work or school or an areas where you're trying to
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: get ahead, you're not going to get ahead. Like communicate
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: you think about the workplace, about your job like obviously
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: because the nature of what you do. Your entire job
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: is communicating. But almost every person's job is communicating, communicating up,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: communicating down, communicating sideways, communicating to customers, ingesting information is
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: a form of communication. And yet nobody's sitting people down
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: and saying, huh, maybe you should do it differently than
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: they did and know then you then it would have
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: done in two thousand five, when there wasn't a smartphone,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: when there wasn't Facebook, when Google was a baby, when
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: most of the websites you visit didn't exist. For most
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: of the apps you use, I weren't even thought of.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: So it's a wildly, wildly different world. I think the
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: COVID area when the when the country was set down
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: in March. I remember I was doing some contract work
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  Speaker 1: when I first heard over the word Zoom video conferencing.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: And because I was doing a lot of contract work,
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: I was based in Atlanta and had a lot of
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: meetings in d C. And it was going to meet
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: was another video conferencing and device that was out there,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: and it was actually was ahead of Zoom at the time.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: I was doing the go to meetings all the time
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: and so but but when the country got shut down,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: that's when it kind of changed the culture of how
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: we communicated. In other words, it changed the rules. You know,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: you didn't have to look a certain way. You can
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: be anywhere and whether socially or appearing on talk shows
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: whatever they were, we loosened our standards are respectful ways
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: we can communicate, which eased that people could inundate you
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: at any time. And I think that's why your book
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: is so important because with the world turning and become
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: a standard less that means that we have to talk
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: better or less. Is that is that correct? I think
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: it is correct. And another dynamic that happened because of
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: COVID is that you know, I could be at home
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: doing this that happened to be in the office. But
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: a lot of people are working from home, people scattered about,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: and when people aren't working together face to face, it
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: makes communications, especially written communications, that much more important. You
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: need to be you need to connect people so everyone
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: is aligned and knows what they're supposed to do, and
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: you need to do it in a way that leads
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: to greater productivity. And you need to somehow create an
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: environment of creativity if there's not even physical presence. And
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: I mean this, I think we're gonna look back years
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: from now and like COVID obviously affected politics, affected health,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: but it radically changed the workplace more than probably anything
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: has changed the workplace in the last twenty thirty or
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: forty years. Like suddenly you had to work from home
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: and you had to rethink communications. I mean to be honest.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: As a business proposition, my brevity became exponentially more valuable
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: because of that dynamic, because people were struggling to figure
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: out how do I communicate with people? And good communications
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: is it's magical because it gets people to hear what
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: they're supposed to hear and do what you want them
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: to do. Bad communications could be a real it could
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: be a real killer for a company, real killer for
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: a relationship. Well it's really interesting. Uh. Right before our
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: schedule this interview, I started talking to my staff. You know,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: so I always always feel good when i'm kind of
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: like kind of like with the curve. I feel you're
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: you're wanted the curves, which means you're you're talking dynamics
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: that we need to start looking at or start living.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: And you know, as as a company as my company,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: with your thirty and fifteen media, you know, we have
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: a capabilities one sheet that we have to do. That
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: deck used to be like forty eight pages. Now I've
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: reduced to one sheet. And then I had my Rashaan
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: McDonald ePK Electronic press Kit. It used to be about
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: thirty pages, and I told my staff, reduced it to
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: one and sheet. I want, I'm gonna put all that
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: on it, I said, make it work, I said, because
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: people do well, they don't want to fan through thirty
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: pages to find out by Richard McDonald what he's working on.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: So that's why when when there's anybody, when your book
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: came across my dick, this I laughed. I said, this
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: is absolutely right. I said, I know that you can't
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: talk in expansive terms with anybody in it anymore. And
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: as as you as you started dropping these dives on
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: of information on everybody who received it the most and
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: who resisted it. Yeah, you know, the the resistance tends
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: to come from journalists. Like journalists and people who are
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: paid to like spread a lot of words a little
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: long winded. They don't they don't love it like where
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: you see it, but it's been fun to watch, like
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: I've seen that really take off with students and teachers.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Certainly in business is probably where it's been most effective.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: I was just on Facebook with somebody who randomly reached
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: out to me who's a preacher in New York, and
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: was like, I really want to figure out how to
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: make my preaching more efficient. And I pointed out to
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: her or that that the Pope, while we were writing
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: the book, it did a speech in Croatia where he
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: talked to Catholic priests and said, you've got to cut
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: your homilies down from forty minutes to ten minutes. And
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: he said that the nuns were the ones who applied
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: at the longest because he said, quote unquote, they're the
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: ones who are subject to our are to our verbal torture,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: right the Pope. And the truth is like your exercise
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: of your forty pages down to one, the truth is
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: you can do it. People think you can. There's nothing
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: shallow about being short. It's actually really confident and helpful
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: and clarifying. I bet your one sheeter is a hell
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: of a lot better than your forty sheeter was because
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: it forced you to think about what are the things
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: that are really really important? What do people really have
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: to know? And when you do that, the audience realizes it,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: and they know you're being respectful of their time and
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: their intelligence, and they reward you for We'll be right
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: back with more Money Making Conversations Masterclass with ru Sean McDonald. Now,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: let's return to Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rashan McDonald
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: and Jim. I will absolutely tell you I prefer by
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: one sheet over my expansive deck, and you absolutely correct that. Uh.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: I was just telling the story that some of the
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: information is not has no value today. It's something that
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: I've done in the nineties and the early two thousands
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: is about what I'm doing now, and I think that's
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: what when I when I read your book, one of
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: my favorite chapters is the meeting chapters, you know when
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: when you gather your staff and you're talking, because that's
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: where I had to learn, and I took some notes
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: from your chapter because sometimes you get on the zoom
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: calls and these staffs calls and you feel a need
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: to talk, you feel a need to over emphasize what
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: you're trying to get out of your staff, and that's
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: where the communications really can bore a person who's working
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: for you or motivate them. Correct. Yes, I mean think
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: about like most meetings tend to be very meandering and
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: then doing you you're succinct and clear in command, for sure,
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: but most people other than you are meandering. And I
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: think about a meeting. The whole purpose of a meeting
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: is we're meeting for a reason. What is the one
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: thing we need to accomplish here, Let's talk only about
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: that thing, and at the end of the meeting, what
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: are the specific takeaways that we can share with everyone
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: who needs to know and think about. That could be
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: done in twenty minutes and it could be a hugely
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: effective meeting. But if you go, if you're a drift,
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: if you don't know what the focus of it is,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: if you don't know what the specific takeaways are, if
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: you're not clear and concise in the language that you're using,
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: you just had a nice conversation that's going to be
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: forgotten by everybody, and you wasted that time. And so
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: I do I think this works in power point. I
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: think it works in meetings. I think it definitely works
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: in speeches and sermons like anywhere. Just it's about being
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: respectful to the audience and really being sharp about what
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: are the one, two or three things you really really
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: need them to know and that they really really need
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: to know, and then you can find yourself having the
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: type of six as you want when you communicate. Yeah,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: first of all, a smart brevity is for anyone who
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: communicates hear me clear on that you're talking to somebody,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: whether it's a colleague, of friend or a spouse. You
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: have to be able to not over talk. You know,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: I've come from the Baptist community, so so when you
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: talk about church, you know, I am born up the
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: hour and a half church service. You know, come to
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Jesus two or three, uh called to the altars and
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: get out of here. You know so and so I so.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: I would love to see this incorporated in the Baptist
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: Church world, brevity from the pulpit. But the most important
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: thing that I took away in reading your book and
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: also watching you, is that you know there's a concern
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: for communication because I got I got the good feeling
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: that you're feeling that people really have. That's a lost art.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: That's a lost art from the standpoint of what's the
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: limit and what you're trying to say. But then in
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: so many ways that people are being in the day
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: with information that we really have no window of focus,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: and that focus really is the key to solid communication
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: correct absolutely. Like foggy writing, foggy talking is a reflection
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: of foggy thinking. So if you're talking and writing sharply,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: it means you took the time to really sharpen your
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: own thought, and that's that's a benefit to you. Like
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: I do this all the time. I really try to
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: distill my thinking about different topics. I write it down
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: and try to distill let into as fewer words as possible,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: mainly so I can remember it better and if I
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: have to articulate it, articulated sharply and hopefully memorably, so people,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: you know, sort of respond the way I would hope
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: that they respond. And like, I'm in the media and
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: I run a company, so I'm paid to community. Let's
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: be honest, as are you. But these tricks that we learned,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: that the science behind it, it's applicable to anybody, and
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: all of us want to be heard. We really desperately
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: we want to be heard. I want to bring close
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: as me and I want to make sure I run across.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: I try to break everything down easy to my audience.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: And I said, they have dumb audiences, but I know
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: that again brevity is important, so they take away they
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: can walk way those five tips I heard you do.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: And I'd like to bring up those five tips that
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: I heard you do and the and then you use.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: Give me a short synopsism the importance of how we
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: can use them. First one of the number one will
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: stop being selfish, Yeah, stopping selfish, Start stop writing for yourself,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: Stop communicating for yourself and thinking about what does the
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: other person need to hear and read? That instantly changes
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: your perspective and makes you a better communicator. And that
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: basically what I did when I reduced my ru sean
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: McDonald ePK from for the pages to a single sheet.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Now I feel confident that when somebody gets it, they
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: won't just trash it or they won't get past the
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: colorful opening page. They have the one sheet and the
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: information is there, and that's the stop. Before it was
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: for you, the one is for them. Yes, that's that's
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: the absolutely grab me reasons you're writing. Yeah, whether it
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: is a subject line and an email, a headline on
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: a story, a text you're sending to somebody, you're at
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: war with other people for their attention. So be provocative,
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: be interesting, be sustained. Give them a headline, say hey,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: this is why you're going to read this. Be very clear.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: So if you grab that person, then you get them
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: into the next sentence. That next sentence should be something
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: really interesting, something illuminating, something they should need to know.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: While if it is, you'll keep them reading deeper. And
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: so you have to think that methodically about the cadence
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: of your communications. Absolutely so, in no words. If well,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: if what is the simple technique that wants to take
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: away if they're trying to start standard production meetings, a
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: standard staff meeting, is they are titch and grab or
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: technique they can use are some old things that they
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: should stop using. I think a very successful device for
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: both the speech or for a meeting is to say,
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: very specifically, the one thing we want to accomplish today is,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: or the one reason we're meeting here today is, or
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: the one thing I want you to remember is. I
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: would use that phrase and then just fill it in,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: and then at the end reiterate it. So now the
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: person has heard the most important thing delivered so sainctly twice.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: They heard it at the beginning and the end. I'm
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: in sense would tell you they have an exponentially higher
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: chance of retaining what you just said, as opposed to
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: not stating it, being unclear, hiding it behind other sentences
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: or other paragraphs. You know, it's so funny, Jim. I
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: was a lot of times people call me now they
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: say stuff like I have two things I want to
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: talk to you about. I have three things I wanted
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: to And I've been hearing it probably this year a lot,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: because people know I don't like talking on the phone
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: a lot, so and they they've always said, we shout
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: you know, I was still talking, we hug up as
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: you were, So now they say, hey, I got two
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: things I want to talk to you about before we
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: wrap up this call. So I agree that technique works. Uh.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: The number three is keep it simple. Keep it simple, like,
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: don't you know like your sentences, your paragraphs should be short,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: should be direct. You don't need to use fancy words.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: You don't need to use words you learn to college
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: and ones that you'd show off that you can maybe
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: get a crossword puzzle. Just just keep it simple, be yourself,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: be direct. Well, this one I really love with, like
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: write like a human because I always tell I'm a friend. Okay, look,
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: I don't understand what you're saying. If you can just
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: break it back down to me, then I guess with
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: this conversation go a lot better. What exactly your version
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: is right like a human that I don't know what
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: it is about our species. At the minute that we
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: have to write or communicate something, we suddenly button up
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: our collar at an additional layer of starch, and we
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: start to talk like the most annoying, insufferable person you've
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: ever met. We start to use fancy words and talking
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: in a deeper voice and use ac run nims as
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: opposed to know talk to me like you talk to
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: me over a beer at a bar. That's how you
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: should communicate. People want authenticity. They're turned off by your
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: arrogance or your weirdness. If you're using these fancy eleven
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: dollar words wow, and the last one is number five.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Just stop, man, that's that should be our gospel. Just stop,
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: like you can stop writing, like if you've made your point, stop,
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: you don't have to make it again. It's your example
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: about right, like, oh, I say something really good and
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: then that people seem to I can so much, I
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: say it again, like, no, just stop, just stop, beautiful.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: This is five tips for effective efficient communication. I'm talking
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: to Jim vander High his book. I really really recommend
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: smart brevity, the power of saying more with less. Again,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: thank you for taking the time to come on Money
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Making Conversation and master Class because and and I talked
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: to a lot of entrepreneurs. I talked to a lot
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: of people who are dreamers. But more importantly, if they
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: don't know how to communicate. I have two things I
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: always tell people. I call it two seeds, communication and consistency.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: If you can't communicate, then you never get the consistency.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Once you get consistency, you got to tell people what
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: you were doing was actually gonna work when you communicated
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: with him. So I believe in what you're doing in
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: this book, and I want to be one of the
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: people who continue to promote the gospel of smart brevity.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: I love it. I appreciate it, and I lovely or
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: focus on like the dream or aspect like I always say,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: like I live the American dream, like I was. If
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: you met me in college, you'd say, I'm the last
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: person you've ever met that was going to start a
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: couple of media companies. At one point four nine one
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: grade point average in college, I could barely get it
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: into and able to be successful. And anybody can do it,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: and I think this is hopefully one building block in
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: your in your career or Jim I I said, I
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: got a math degree, but it took seven years. So
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: you and I have a lot of DNA and quality
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: DNA and commons. So I thank you. Masterclass again, definitely
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: heavily promote this book not only just a good book,
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: but it's also a game change on how we talk.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: And also I think you can also relieve people on
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: how they can tell people how they wanted them to
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: talk to them, because that's important. It has to be
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: a two way street. You know, you have to tell
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: people what you're willing to accept. That way, they can
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: communicate with you a lot better. Again, thank you for
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: coming on the show. Thank you appreciate it very much.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: Have a good day. We talked. You've been listening to
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald. Always remember to
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: lead with your gifts. Money Making Conversations master Class is
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  Speaker 1: a presentation of thirty eight fifteen Media Incorporated. You are
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  Speaker 1: now tuned into the Money Making Conversations Minute of Inspiration
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  Speaker 1: with Rushan McDonald. Hi, I'm Sean mcdonaland for Money Making
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  Speaker 1: Conversation Masterclass with your daily Minute of Inspiration. Recently I
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  Speaker 1: spoke with music producer and founder and CEO or My Block, Inc.
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  Speaker 1: Warren Campbell. He explains the importance of staying humble. While
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  Speaker 1: Hittie Milestones, I was with uh, a well known producer
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say his name, twenty Grammys and I
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  Speaker 1: was in the studio with him. We're watching the Grammys
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  Speaker 1: on TV and he won Producer of the Year and
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  Speaker 1: his sponsors like this. I said, Man, I'm going nuts.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're sitting there like this going. Oh man,
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  Speaker 1: I said to myself, I ain't never gonna be like them. Now.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate every award I've won. I have five or
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  Speaker 1: six statues. Grammy, you know that's the best feeling in there.
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  Speaker 1: If you want to listen to this four interview with
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  Speaker 1: Warren Campbell, it's available on Money Making Conversations dot com.