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Uplift: She helps women of color overcome burnout and reconnect with their purpose. · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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  Speaker 1: Hi.
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  Speaker 1: Now, let's get this show started.
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  Speaker 2: My guest is a certified leadership and wellbeing coach, author
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  Speaker 2: and founder of The Everyday Yellow Sanctuary, a vibrant community
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  Speaker 2: dedicated to helping trailblazing women of color reclaim their joy,
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  Speaker 2: embrace themselves, and make time for what matters most. Her
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  Speaker 2: coaching creates work life harmony, enables you to reconnect to
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  Speaker 2: your purpose and leave with your greater clarity, confidence and joy.
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  Speaker 2: Please work with the Money Making Conversation Master Charise M.
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  Speaker 1: Williams. How you doing, Cherise?
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  Speaker 3: I am doing great and so honored to be here.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for having.
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  Speaker 2: Me well, Mss Williams, you were hanging on every word
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  Speaker 2: I was saying. You was making sure I got all
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  Speaker 2: the right adjective, the descriptions, you.
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  Speaker 1: Making sure you ain't got that right. Okay, Okay, he
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  Speaker 1: got that right.
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  Speaker 2: Because it's a sense a purpose that you have when
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  Speaker 2: you say leave with greater clarity, confidence, enjoy.
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  Speaker 1: Talk to me about this, Cheres. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So, over the past several years, I have coached and
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  Speaker 4: trained hundreds of leaders, mostly women, and they are accomplished,
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  Speaker 4: they are working hard, they are doing great things in
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  Speaker 4: the world, and most of them express burnout and overwhelm
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  Speaker 4: and they know what they don't want, but they are
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  Speaker 4: not sure what they do want. So I help them
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  Speaker 4: get clear on what they want their life to look
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  Speaker 4: and feel like and take actions every.
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  Speaker 3: Day to make those visions of reality.
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  Speaker 2: So let's give some background on you to be in
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  Speaker 2: this leadership role, in this motivational role, this uplifting role.
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  Speaker 1: How did it all start for you?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: So, I'm a lawyer by training and spent my career
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  Speaker 4: since graduating from law school working in the nonprofit sector.
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  Speaker 3: So I've done work in philanthropy and at.
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  Speaker 4: Social justice institutions, working on education, equity.
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  Speaker 3: And juvenile and criminal justice. Reform.
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  Speaker 4: When I got my first nonprofit executive director role in
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  Speaker 4: two thousand and seven.
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  Speaker 3: I was hobbling along.
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  Speaker 4: You know, you get into these roles because you're passionate
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  Speaker 4: about the mission, but there's often a big learning curve
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  Speaker 4: in terms of learning how to manage.
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  Speaker 3: The budget and the board and leadership.
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  Speaker 4: And it wasn't until I was in my second nonprofit
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  Speaker 4: leadership role that one of my donors said, ma'am, you
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  Speaker 4: need a.
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  Speaker 1: Coach, and we're going to pay for it, okay.
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  Speaker 4: And that coach was transformative for me, and it planned
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  Speaker 4: to seed that maybe I would like to use the
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  Speaker 4: next stage of my career to be the guide that
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  Speaker 4: I wish I had when I started off in that
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  Speaker 4: C suite nonprofit leadership.
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  Speaker 2: Now you say your organization every day, Yellow Sanctuary.
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  Speaker 1: Explain that name to me.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. So when I'm coaching people to create and live.
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  Speaker 4: The lives of their dreams, I show my calendar and
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  Speaker 4: how I color coded. So a few years ago, I
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  Speaker 4: was leading my workshop present how to plan and show
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  Speaker 4: up for what matters most, and I showed my calendar
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  Speaker 4: and I said, the color coding allows me to see
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  Speaker 4: how I'm spending my time and energy across these different areas.
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  Speaker 4: Purple is from my health, green is when I'm making money,
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  Speaker 4: and the color yellow is what I'm doing fun and
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  Speaker 4: social things and joyful things. Right. And I said to
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  Speaker 4: the group, every day there has to be yellow. And
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  Speaker 4: there was a branding person in the workshop and she said,
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  Speaker 4: that is a brand. So I branded every Day Yellow.
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  Speaker 4: I file the trademark because we got to get that ip.
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  Speaker 4: It means that it's possible to find a moment, even
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  Speaker 4: a moment of joy in every single day.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, I'm speaking of Cheries M Williams. He's based in Atlanta, Georgia.
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  Speaker 2: Your services are available nationwide.
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  Speaker 1: Correct, that is correct? Okay.
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  Speaker 2: She's a certified leadership and well being coach, author and
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  Speaker 2: founder of as we just mentioned, every Day Yellow Sanctuary,
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  Speaker 2: which is a vibrant community dedicated to helping trailblazing women
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  Speaker 2: of color. Now, I stop a color because we're in
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  Speaker 2: a time period now where color is trying to be
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  Speaker 2: removed from the everyday conversation. I know every time I
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  Speaker 2: walk in room, I am going to be a black man.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know how you can say that people
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  Speaker 2: will not judge you based on the color of your
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  Speaker 2: skin when you say that women of color. Why are
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  Speaker 2: you saying women of a color? And why is that
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  Speaker 2: important to talk about that in this conversation.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you for that important question.
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  Speaker 4: So I will start by saying, when I started my business,
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  Speaker 4: I did not identify a gender or.
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  Speaker 3: A background that I would serve.
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  Speaker 4: Who mostly came to me for the one on one
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  Speaker 4: coaching was women, mostly women of color. I do have
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  Speaker 4: men hire me for organizational stuff, team building retreats, et cetera.
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  Speaker 4: So I decided to go where the energy was to
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  Speaker 4: serve the client who was coming to me organically. The
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  Speaker 4: second part is I started this everyday Yellow Sanctuary just
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  Speaker 4: a few months ago after doing this one on one
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  Speaker 4: coaching work okay, and I realized something really powerful happens
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  Speaker 4: when women come together as a group to learn.
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  Speaker 3: And grow and heal. And honestly, you know, you can
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  Speaker 3: see it everywhere where you look.
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  Speaker 4: In the new on social media, women of color are exhausted,
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  Speaker 4: feeling disappointed, feeling worn out, overworked, underpaid, and looking for
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  Speaker 4: a safe space to have those conversations free of some
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  Speaker 4: of the scrutiny and microaggressions that can often take place
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  Speaker 4: in the workplace. And I call my woman trailblazing because
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  Speaker 4: she's often the first or the only to have certain
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  Speaker 4: roles and there's tons of pressure.
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  Speaker 3: She needs a safe space she reachs.
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  Speaker 2: I've been doing this shows in twenty seventeen, so I
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  Speaker 2: probably interviewed over a thousand people. I can guarantee you
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  Speaker 2: that probably more than that because I've repeated some of
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  Speaker 2: the people I've interviewed it, which is a good thing,
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  Speaker 2: and I hope you one of my repeats, Miss Williams. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: But coaching, that's a word, you know, like branding and
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  Speaker 2: like mentorship. These words have become really really hot button words.
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  Speaker 2: There are a lot of coaches out there, but still
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  Speaker 2: many people don't understand the feeld.
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  Speaker 1: What exactly does a coach do?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, lots of coaches out there these days. I took
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  Speaker 4: the route to become a certified coach because I wanted
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  Speaker 4: to understand the discipline, the practice, and the ethics around it.
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  Speaker 4: So I define coaching as a partnership between a coach
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  Speaker 4: and client to help a client achieve specific goals. Coaching
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  Speaker 4: happens through a series of questions, and the overarching question
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  Speaker 4: framework is where are you now?
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  Speaker 3: Where do you want to be?
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  Speaker 4: What's getting in the way, and my job is to
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  Speaker 4: ask clients the right questions so they can figure out
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  Speaker 4: how to take the actions they want to take to
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  Speaker 4: get from where they are to where they want to be.
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  Speaker 4: My brand of coaching is about drawing wisdom out of
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  Speaker 4: a client, So I'm not here to tell them what
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  Speaker 4: to do and how to be. It's to help them
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  Speaker 4: unlock their own answers and then take consistent action towards
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  Speaker 4: the outcomes they want.
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  Speaker 2: What that bean said, how does it help others creates
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  Speaker 2: success on their own terms? Like you said, somebody told
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  Speaker 2: you you needed a coach, and so how does someone
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  Speaker 2: walking through life understand nobody's pointing them out, Hey, you
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  Speaker 2: need a coach.
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  Speaker 1: How do they get there?
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  Speaker 2: In other words, to make that shift, they need to
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  Speaker 2: contact Cheris and Williams and be involved in your sanctuary.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's such a great question.
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  Speaker 4: The field of coaching, this kind of leadership coaching, talking
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  Speaker 4: to people help them achieve their goals, is really new.
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  Speaker 3: It's only a forty year old field.
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  Speaker 4: Most of the people that I have coached, the one
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  Speaker 4: on one I was their first coach. So in terms
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  Speaker 4: of joining my community, the everyday Yellow Sanctuary, it's for
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  Speaker 4: the woman who's saying, I have achieved a certain level
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  Speaker 4: of success in my life. I've gotten the titles and
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  Speaker 4: the income and the promotions, but I want something more.
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  Speaker 3: I want more joy, more ease, more rest.
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  Speaker 4: And so she's going to start googling right coaching, transformation, communities,
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  Speaker 4: leadership development, and if I've done my SEO right, she's
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  Speaker 4: going to find you know, she's going to put in
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  Speaker 4: women of color. Probably she may put in Atlanta, and
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  Speaker 4: she's going to discover that there's a community of women
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  Speaker 4: waiting to embrace her to help her unlock that next
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  Speaker 4: level of personal success and fulfillment that she so desires.
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  Speaker 2: Now let's go back in the conversation. I've heard she
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  Speaker 2: reached you lawyer legally qualified to be a lawyer, and
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  Speaker 2: then you got an entrepreneurship than nonprofit And what is
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  Speaker 2: driving you personally because the fact that there's a corporate space,
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  Speaker 2: then it's a nonprofit space. Now you I have to
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  Speaker 2: see you're an entrepreneur now, which means you work on
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  Speaker 2: your own terms and then you're motivated to get up
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  Speaker 2: on your own pace. So when you get up, what
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  Speaker 2: is your motivation and how that ties into what you're
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  Speaker 2: doing for your client.
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  Speaker 4: I love this question so much For Sean, I've been
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  Speaker 4: running this business since twenty twenty, and sometimes I'm still
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  Speaker 4: surprised that I wake up every morning on my own,
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  Speaker 4: self directed and do.
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  Speaker 3: All this work.
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  Speaker 4: I am motivated by the transformation that I help women
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  Speaker 4: have every client I work with when they say, oh
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  Speaker 4: my gosh, I have so much more freedom now I
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  Speaker 4: am taking those vacations. Do you know that only fifty
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  Speaker 4: one percent of Americans take all of their PTO their
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  Speaker 4: paid time off. I never left ten seconds on the
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  Speaker 4: table when someone else is paying for my PTO. So
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  Speaker 4: when I see a woman go from gosh, I should
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  Speaker 4: take more vacations to charies. I just got back from
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  Speaker 4: the Bahamas for a week and I did all the
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  Speaker 4: things and I feel refreshed and I feel renewed, and
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  Speaker 4: thank you for showing me that it's possible. Thank you
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  Speaker 4: for giving me that permission. And I leave them knowing
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  Speaker 4: that they never need my permission again. They can do
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  Speaker 4: it for themselves. That's what drives me every single day
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  Speaker 4: that I wake up.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, self, dilcible, be focused for learn your own path
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  Speaker 2: to happiness. I see where you're going with this sanctuary now, online.
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  Speaker 2: You mentioned a key year twenty twenty, and I consider
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  Speaker 2: that a coming out party for the black community to
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  Speaker 2: admit that we have mental and social issues that need
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  Speaker 2: to be alive with somebody in some form of therapy.
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  Speaker 1: Talk about that.
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  Speaker 2: I want to say coming out party because we should
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  Speaker 2: have acknowledged this need way before that, because as people
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  Speaker 2: of color, we are constantly under stressed. We're constantly being challenged,
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  Speaker 2: you know, just in just in everyday life and not
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  Speaker 2: only just at your job, will you shop? Will you
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  Speaker 2: driving your car? Going through life? And now people look
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  Speaker 2: at you that emission allows you to have a business,
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  Speaker 2: But what is the bigger factor in that admission when
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  Speaker 2: you talk about mental health? That's what we're talking about
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  Speaker 2: right now, and building your brand, which is the everyday
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  Speaker 2: Yellow Sanctuary.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, twenty twenty was a really huge year that shifted
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  Speaker 4: the conversation about black mental health and wellness. Obviously, we
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  Speaker 4: have had historical and generational traumas. I think there was
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  Speaker 4: something about and this is what inspired my book, The
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  Speaker 4: Joy of Thriving While Black, There was something about the
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  Speaker 4: murder of Rayshard Brooks right up the street from me,
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  Speaker 4: Ahmad Aubrey, George Floyd Breonna Taylor, one after another after another,
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  Speaker 4: and then social media capturing it their stories, those images,
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  Speaker 4: those their final words, and then have to go to
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  Speaker 4: work every day with that stress and trauma and fear
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  Speaker 4: and having to navigate the workplace. I think it got
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  Speaker 4: us to a place where more and more people were
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  Speaker 4: willing to say I need help, I need help, and
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  Speaker 4: that help can look like their be a coach, a
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  Speaker 4: recovery program. And at the same time there's a conversation
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  Speaker 4: around grinding and hustling and you're not happy just because
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  Speaker 4: of achievements. Right, my clients have achieved a lot, but
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  Speaker 4: they want more, And I think we're finding our way
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  Speaker 4: into spaces that can provide that safety and support that
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  Speaker 4: we've been longing for. And the last thing I'll say
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  Speaker 4: is it is not weak to ask for help and support.
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  Speaker 4: And I think we're finally getting that message through to
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  Speaker 4: the culture in lots of different ways.
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  Speaker 2: So when I say this, and my question to you
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  Speaker 2: sharise creating a space, the importance of it and what
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  Speaker 2: makes it makes it unique.
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  Speaker 4: No, when we come together in community, we immediately feel
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  Speaker 4: less alone. Right, A lot of times we have things
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  Speaker 4: on our minds and our hearts, and when we keep
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  Speaker 4: them in it can feel lonely and isolating, and there's
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  Speaker 4: and sometimes we can feel ashamed. And there's a great
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  Speaker 4: saying that shame cannot exist in the sunlight. So coming
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  Speaker 4: into the everyday Yellow Sanctuary is like shining sunlight onto
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  Speaker 4: maybe the hardest things you're going through, and suddenly you
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  Speaker 4: feel seen, heard, supported. And then there's an accountability piece.
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  Speaker 4: We set our intentions for the next week, what are
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  Speaker 4: you going to do?
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  Speaker 3: What are you committing to?
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  Speaker 4: And then when we show up the following week, what
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  Speaker 4: did you do, how did it go?
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  Speaker 3: What were your successes?
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  Speaker 4: There is some great research that shows that when you
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  Speaker 4: write something down that you intend to do, you are
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  Speaker 4: forty two or set more likely to do it.
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  Speaker 3: When you say it out loud, fifty percent more likely.
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  Speaker 4: Guess what if you have If you have a vision
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  Speaker 4: and you have a plan, and then you have accountability,
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  Speaker 4: your success can go up by ninety five percent.
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  Speaker 3: That is the magic of the Everyday Yellow Sanctuary.
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  Speaker 2: Stay with us More money Making Conversation mastic Lass coming
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  Speaker 2: up next. Welcome back to Money Making Conversation mastic Lass
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  Speaker 2: with me Rashaun McDonald. We know really interesting when I'm
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  Speaker 2: doing my research on you and trying to make sure
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  Speaker 2: I'm on point when I ask the right questions. Age
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  Speaker 2: came into play, and the age is something that I
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  Speaker 2: really bring up on my shows because age people use
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  Speaker 2: it as an excuse to accomplish their dreams. They use
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  Speaker 2: it as a stop a stop sign for opportunity. Let's
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  Speaker 2: talk about age, and then the next step I that's
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  Speaker 2: going to be talk about fear. Let's talk about how
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  Speaker 2: you deal with age and how you get people to
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  Speaker 2: push past that, even though if they might be forty
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  Speaker 2: and they might be fifty, might be sixty seven. I
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  Speaker 2: always tell people age doesn't matter if you have a
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  Speaker 2: proper plan and you have the communication and the aspiration
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  Speaker 2: to achieve it.
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  Speaker 1: Talk to about age and how you deal with it
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  Speaker 1: with your clients.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, this is all coming to really sharp focus for
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  Speaker 4: me recently because when I was setting about to create
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  Speaker 4: the Sanctuary.
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  Speaker 3: I did a bunch of interviews.
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  Speaker 4: So I interviewed twenty five women to ask them a
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  Speaker 4: bunch of questions, and an interesting thing happened. They would say,
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  Speaker 4: I've got all this work. I'm a caregiver. They're working
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  Speaker 4: me too hard to have this stress. And then a
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  Speaker 4: few of them said, and then you turn fifty and
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  Speaker 4: there's all this other stuff.
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  Speaker 3: So I started saying, say more about that, Rashan. I'll
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  Speaker 3: be fifty four.
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  Speaker 4: On my birthday in just about a month. And I
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  Speaker 4: realized there's a convergence of you've got certain responsibilities. If
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  Speaker 4: you're fortunate enough to have living parents, then you've got
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  Speaker 4: elder care responsibilities. And we're also living longer and longer.
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  Speaker 4: So if I live to be ninety five, I have
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  Speaker 4: forty more years to do things and make an impact
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  Speaker 4: in this world. So I started this business at forty eight,
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  Speaker 4: and was I a little bit afraid. Yes, was I
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  Speaker 4: kind of like, why did I wait so long to
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  Speaker 4: do this? But I feel really self actualized now. I
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  Speaker 4: couldn't have started this business earlier. I had to do
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  Speaker 4: all the things before in order to be able to
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  Speaker 4: hold this space for women. Most of the women who
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  Speaker 4: come to me are in their mid to upper forties
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  Speaker 4: or fifties.
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  Speaker 3: I am at the.
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  Speaker 4: Right place at the right time for all of us,
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  Speaker 4: and my message is it is not too late, and
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  Speaker 4: you are not too old.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, cool, that was about you, Sari.
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  Speaker 2: Now I want to talk about because you've talked about
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  Speaker 2: Rushan six years ago and I wasn't ready, but now
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  Speaker 2: I'm ready. I'm talking about that person who's listening to
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  Speaker 2: this show. Might not be to be happy with the
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  Speaker 2: man they with, not about be happy with the kids
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  Speaker 2: they brought into this world. Might not be happy with
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  Speaker 2: the house they knock on that door and they go
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  Speaker 2: in every night. Definitely might not be happy with that job.
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  Speaker 2: How do they cycle out of that course? And I'm
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  Speaker 2: not gonna just say everything's bad. Let's just start with
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  Speaker 2: the job. How do they make that decision this is
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  Speaker 2: not the right job for me? And how do I
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  Speaker 2: overcome the fear of change?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: So I'm going to start with something that is simple
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  Speaker 3: and accessible to everyone.
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  Speaker 4: You don't have to buy my book, you don't have
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  Speaker 4: to join my community. Literally, it's about asking yourself the question.
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  Speaker 3: I'm a huge fan of journaling.
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  Speaker 4: Ask yourself the question with regard to any of the
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  Speaker 4: those things you named, relationship, the job. Write down what
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  Speaker 4: is working? Write it down so you can see it.
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  Speaker 4: What is not working? Write that down.
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  Speaker 3: Now, this is where a lot of people get stuck.
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  Speaker 1: With Sean.
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  Speaker 3: We can articulate what we don't want and what we
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  Speaker 3: don't like.
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  Speaker 4: Then ask yourself what would good look like, what would
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  Speaker 4: I be doing, how would I be feeling? What would
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  Speaker 4: the dynamic at work look like if it was good?
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: Get that vision on paper and then ask yourself, are
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  Speaker 4: there things that I can do to make this job
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  Speaker 4: that job? Feedback to my boss, hire someone new, fire somebody,
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: whatever it is. Try all those things, and then if
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  Speaker 4: it's not possible, then you start looking for the thing
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  Speaker 4: that's aligned.
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  Speaker 3: But it starts with the clarity.
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  Speaker 4: If it's just in your head and you're complaining and
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: not feeling good, you don't know what.
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  Speaker 3: Action to take.
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  Speaker 4: But if you get it on paper what's not working
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  Speaker 4: and what you want, then little by little you can
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  Speaker 4: start taking steps to get to where you want to go.
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  Speaker 2: Now, how do we join your online community?
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  Speaker 4: Go to www dot Scheriseandwilliams dot com slash community learn
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  Speaker 4: all about it, fill out an application, we'll review it,
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  Speaker 4: and we'll be excited to welcome you in.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Now that application, I have a be a guest form
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: where I ask people for their headchat, their sharp description,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: ten question, their social media. Now, not wanting to scare
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: people away, what is that application that you're asking them
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: to fill out?
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  Speaker 1: When they go to serism Williams dot Com.
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  Speaker 4: I'm so glad you asked, because we want to curate
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: something that is very intentional. So the first thing that
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: we're showing is our group agreements before you.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: Even get to the application. Okay, what kind of behavior.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: Is okay and not okay in the group to make
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: it a safe, warm, welcoming space. And it is a
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: simple opp location. What drew you to us, how did
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  Speaker 4: you hear about us? What do you want to get
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: out of it? What do you want to contribute? And
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: then we capture some demographic information because we want to
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: know who we're serving and who's being drawn to us,
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: so we can really curate and experience specifically for that group.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, now let's talk about that book. How do we
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: get that book and why did you write the book?
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  Speaker 4: Technically, yeah, you can find the joy of thriving while
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: black every place that books are sold. My favorite is
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: bookshop because it supports independent booksellers. I was literally I
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  Speaker 4: started writing that book in June of twenty twenty. We
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: already know what was happening in June of twenty twenty.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: I was literally having nightmares about encounters with the police.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: That's how much things that was weighing on my psyche.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: I was on Instagram and I saw the hashtag black joy,
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: and then I saw black joy is resistance and black
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: joy is revolutionary, and I went down that rabbit hole.
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  Speaker 4: I was already thinking about writing a book, and I
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: literally got a download.
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  Speaker 3: We're getting all this negative news, all this violence, all
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: this hate. What do we need right now?
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: And it came to me write a book called Thriving
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  Speaker 4: while Black. Turns out someone else had that title, so
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: I chose the Joy of Thriving while Black, and it
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  Speaker 4: is all about the things that help us thrive. And
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: the last chapter is about how you can coach yourself,
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  Speaker 4: which is exactly what I was describing, how you can
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: coach yourself toward a state of thriving.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Her brand, I'm talking to Scheres and Williams her brand
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: every day. Yellow senters around joy, ease and intentional living.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: What inspired some concept and has resonated with your audience
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: is a question I'm asking you. Is this inspiration of
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: the color yellow? You said, ra sean color. You know
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: joy happening. Green means money to you. So somebody was
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: in the room, there was a brand marketing person. They
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: go bingo, yellow is the brand term you should use.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: You did what you're supposed to do. You trademarked it.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: You have controller at IP. You're on the show to
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: promote what you're doing. When you say, do you change
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: lives or you motivate people to make change?
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: I love that framing. I want to say I motivate people.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: People change their own lives. But given the right conditions,
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: Think about a plant that grows, the nurturing soil and
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: water and sunlight. I provide all those things for my community,
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: and people grow and change and transform based on those
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: nurturing conditions.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Burnout, burnout, burnout. I'm confessed on this show that I've
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: burnt out. I've confessed on the show that I need
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: them understand what a vaction day was. I will tell
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: you not as a badge of honor, but I worked
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: two straight years and didn't take a day off because
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: I was fearful of taking that day off. So burnout
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: is a real thing, especially when technology it's available to you.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: You can't run. When I was growing up, you leave
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: the house, the phone was at the house. Then it
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: was just a text. You you can ignore the texts
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: now phone, that phone rings. It basically has to be
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: responded to in some form burnout. What do you think
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: is the leading cause of burnout? Is a technology? Is
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: the lifestyle we lead? What in your world, of your
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: online community is selling that point of burnout to you.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: I want to come back to my target audience what
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: you asked me about, and I'm going to focus on
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: people of color and women of color.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, technology is a factor.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: Our work culture is a factor, and we are told
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: by people who care about us and want us to
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: be successful, you have to be twice as good.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: You have to work twice as hard. You have to
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: show up early and you have to stay late.
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: Many of us did that to achieve great things, and
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: we have mistaken high performance, which means I want to
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: show up and do a good job with over performance.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: Over performance is I am trying to outrun unworthiness. I
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: can never be good enough, so I'm going to work
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: and work and work. And that is really the crux
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: of the problem. Again, good intentions to make us hard workers,
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: but we're now seeing that there are some other possibilities
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: that we need to do some unlearning.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: You know, I've heard just a lot growing up as
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: a black person, a person of color, you gotta work
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: twice as hard.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: You gotta be on time, you gotta work get it,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: And I take I challenge that because in life is
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: about competition. I think it doesn't matter Michael George's black
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: or white, or Cobra brownt with black and white. They
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: work twice as hard because they wanted to be great.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: It wasn't based on the color of their skin. It's
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: based on the matter of effort they want to be
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: to be successful. There are a lot of people who
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: match their jeans, match their leaping ability, maybe match their shooting,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: but they did they match their effort. And so when
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: we come into the general workplace, we tend to I'm
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: not saying color doesn't play an issue, because I know
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: it does, but I'm just saying we need to shift
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: that dynamic and say that is how you compete. If
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: you want to be in front of the line or
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: near the top of the line, you're going to have
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: to show up early, You're going to have to work late,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: You're going to have to work twice as hard as
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: your competition, because guess what, you're trying to beat your competition,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: whether it's black or white. And so when I look
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: at that question and it's not saying I'm directing to you.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: I'm just, for the first time really hearing it, and
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: I'm going usha your whole that's been your whole life,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: working twice as hard. And it had nothing to do
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: with my color. It had the fact that I wanted
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: to beat that dude. I wanted to be the best
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: I could be. I wanted to make the best presentation.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: I get up every day at four thirty am. Nobody's
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: making me get up. I'm not getting up at four
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  Speaker 2: thirty am Monday through Friday because of the color of
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: my skin. I'm getting up because I'm trying to win,
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: and this is my plan of winning. When I say that,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: it does it ring any bail to you? Gonna rashan.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: I'm a push back on you, you know, on you there,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: but I feel you.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: I think there's a fine line.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's what I was trying to indicate with
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: the difference between.
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  Speaker 3: Performance and over performance.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: Over performance is driven by this sense that it will
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: never be enough. I talk about burnout to lots of
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: different audiences. I was doing a talk on it to
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: a law firm and people were like, if I take
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: that day off, I'm gonna miss I'm not gonna get
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: that good assignment.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: But the other side is if you never take a
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: day off and you're burnt out, you're not gonna get
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: the good assignment.
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: And if you do, you may not do well at
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: it because you're so exhausted.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: So everyone has to figure it out for themselves.
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: What is good enough to be competitive, which is important
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: to some people, but what is too much that then
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: you're sick and unwell and having autoimmune issues and insomnia.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: And all the other things that can come with burnout.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Did you really push back at me? I don't think.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: I think you kind of like slid by me. I
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: don't think you've read it.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: I I'm just gonna let you know that wasn't a
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: hard pushback.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: I didn't even I didn't even like move. I kind
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: of like, okay, you could have breathed by me.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: But we're on the same page because the bottom line
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: is that hard work does lead to some traumatic issues
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: if you don't know how to balance it. And that's
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: what this conversation is sometimes. But what I also want
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: to tell my listeners and also anybody who I interview,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: is I try to have an honest conversation about my perception.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: So if it differs from yours, it's not a conflict.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: We're having a conversation.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: And I have one more thing.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, cool, I'm with you. I'm with you.
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: Some folks, even when they're having a good time on vacation,
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: resting and with their loved ones, feel guilty about it.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: This is what we're talking about.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: Being wherever you are, doing your best and being able
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: to enjoy your life and your time and feel like
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: a worthy human being when you're not working.
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  Speaker 3: Really, really, really hard. And that's a well rounded, meaningful life.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: People don't.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: People aren't on their deathbed saying I wish I had
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: worked more hours every day.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Wow, I know it is not me. I work enough hours.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Charis ain't closing, And I want to talk about your
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: dreaming color vision and framework and give me some detail
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: on that. We've talked about your book, we talked about
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: your online community. So let's give a give me a
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: good chance of what dreaming color visioning framework is.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so that goes back to something I touched on before.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: Most folks have an easier time articulating what is wrong
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: in their lives or complaining, and we can get stuck there.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: That doesn't move us forward.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: Doctor Michael Beckwith has this beautiful quote that I love,
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: and it says pain pushes until the vision pulls.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: So we want to get clear on what does a.
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: Rich and meaningful life look like in every area that
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: relates to well being. So is it career yes, is
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: it money yes, but also relationships, self care, fun, joy, spirituality,
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: our physical environment. So the dream and Color framework gets
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: people to articulate what a good life looks like in
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: all of those categories. Weave it together into a vision statement,
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: and then the work from then on out is to
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: plan your days, your hours, your weeks, your months so
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: that you are taking intentional action toward making your vision
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: a reality.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Her reality is every day yellow.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: It's the same to worry for women of color to
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: get the reclaim there, their joy, their hope, their life framework.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: But more importantly, she has an online community that's growing
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: series and way if you want to find out about
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: it and submit your information be part of this.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Thriving or use the word thriving community.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: But more importantly, thank you for coming on Money Making
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Conversations Masterclass.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: This has been Money Making Conversations Masterclass with me Rashaun McDonald.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks to our guests and our audience.
• 32:21
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• 32:26
  Speaker 2: a guest on my show.
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  Speaker 1: Keep leading with your gifts, keep winning,