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- speaker-0: Stephen America. I'm your host, Charles Warfield, a new podcast we developed called Kingdom Revelation. We're gonna talk about things that are biblical in nature, things that are spiritual, problems, concerns. We're gonna try to not just give you problems, we're gonna try to give you solutions later on. I'm gonna have my good friend and producer Greg Fink, and we're gonna be talking about a lot of issues that's relevant today. But at first, I'm gonna give you some commentary. Again, I'm Charles Barfield and one of the things that we have got to deal with as Americans that what type of society do we want to have? Do we wanna have a society where our constitution has substance, it has meaning, that all men are created evil equal and how we all have indelible rights created and given by our Creator, God Himself. Is that the country that we wanna have? We know that that's was a theory. It never was true. It was a lie. Because white men, white men exclusively organized, legitimized, legalized slavery of African people, black people. They call us Negroes, different names, black Indians. We have all kind of different names, but the pigmentations of the skin was the practical r reality where not just racism was the issue, but legalized discrimination. And we have yet We have yet to recover from that. Why? Because the the civil war that was fought for this country for the rights and that we all enjoy in this constitution. The the the the perpetrators and the violators of that were never punished. The Confederate was not only not punished, but the Confederate was always rewarded. They never stopped warring. They never stopped warring. And the winners gave the Confederates the victory because they were never punished. Because the Confederates was never punished, they were allowed to institute the entire educational agenda for this country, particularly in the South, the books, the education. And now they have succeeded with slavery two point ⁓ dismantling all diversity in our colleges and our educational system. No fairness. So now the same black American that was legally classified as three-fifths of a human being will yet to recover from that. Equality has always been a theory, it always has been elusive. It's never been real. But yet, this country historically has had the ability to reclassify itself, to redeem itself. But every time it takes one step forward. In a matter of time it takes ten steps backwards. So African American people of color have never got a fair deal. We've been, for lack of better expression, screwed from day one and it's still going on. And you have a a generation of white Americans that says that, Well, I wasn't there. My parents and my great grandparents may have did that, but why should I be punished for the sins of my great great grandparents? Well, this is the answer, young white Americans, because you have the power to change this. The answer to that is very simple. You got the systemic benefits of white privilege in this country. Meaning this, when blacks and military soldiers that came out of the army was able to get was not able to get loans because of their skin color, they were denied. That's systemic racism, discrimination that banks and lenders did against people of color. ⁓ and so when you have Home, real real profit and real home is the average wealth equalized for most Americans, irrespective of color. So there are people where the wealth of homes and the value of homes substantially increased. That allowed white Americans systemically proportionally to generate an enormous amount of wealth and control of all the media, the political parties, the all power. rested and still preside in white Americans. So this country's always been about wealth and population control. And the wealth of this nation came from slaves, banks, railroad system. Everything was built from and by black Americans. The White House that's called White House was built by black slaves. So every economic indicator that made America the wealthiest nation on the earth. was because of black Americans and everybody benefited from that. And black Americans have never reaped any kind of benefit for that. Then the issue becomes of reparation. Reparations have never been paid for the black people who made this country wealthy. But yet everybody else, all other people have received reparation. The Jewish people have received reparation from Germany. In America, the Japanese in c in concentration camp, reparation. Everyone has received reparation, but for the black people who are treated the worst in this nation. And so that is a general topic of study historically of where we at that present all the evils and the concerns that we are dealing with right now. And so now I'd like to bring in Greg Fink so we can talk about. some of the most current issues that we're still dealing with as Americans because we we truly want this republic to s not just survive, but to be around for our great, great, great, great grandkids. And my question to white Americans is that what type of America you want for your great great great great grandkids? And that's how we should be voting. That's how we should be thinking and that's how we as Americans, if we want this experiment to last, That is the question. Regardless of what your politics, on the left, the right, the middle, it doesn't matter. I agree. That is the single issue that we all must honestly find that man in the mirror and come to that elevation of what kind of nation we want for our great great grandkids. We know, most of us, that's over a certain age. Our lot in life is pretty much fixed. But for our young generation, for the babies that not even born yet. Do you want them to have a constitutional republic that out that we have, the freedom, opportunity, the choices that we have. That's what we have to decide. So now we'll begin ⁓ and bring Greg speaking here and Greg, say hello to our audience and ⁓ introduce yourself and speaker-1: I have a little bit to say about that. No, I mean I I agree with everything pretty much you said, I mean and ⁓ I mean I think it's despicable on the historical nature of racism and the ⁓ everything that happened and me ⁓ being a ⁓ white American and everything else as well and I guess on this show here the representation of the ⁓ the of the white community. I do understand the the th that all the shortcomings, all the shortfalls of people not looking at everything directly. I also do understand that yeah, I mean a lot of people get blamed for looking at things through a prism of race instead of a prism of of ⁓ you know, ability and and I I I think basically I you know, the the whole the whole concept here of the historical nature of people and not giving or not working with any community based on any of their racial tone or their or their behavior or their lifestyle of any type of any type of discrimination like that, especially with a black America, is horrifying and horrible. And I mean it's a it i it's a mess. And and and if people keep on saying, you know, it wasn't me, it was my grandparents. I mean, you know what, here's the deal. It was a it it was all of our grandparents who did a lot of different things for millennium. Okay, I mean, you know, all of us came from somebody. None of us just popped out. And so, I mean, yeah, it doesn't really matter if it's just been a few generations ago, or if it's been thirty or forty generations ago, or what country or what continent it was in. The whole factor is that, you know, we've got to do better. as society and ⁓ we we need to get on the right track. Period. I mean, all this race ⁓ racial hate and all this ⁓ segregation that's being created on both sides of the political aisle just for I in my opinion, more for fundraising chits more than anything else because people like to make money off hate and they like to make money off diversity. And and not really diversity is the way you and I saw call diversity, but diversity in the way that they're trying to divide everybody. And so it's more or less, you know, a divide and conquer methodology here for their ideological needs and I think it's geared more toward, you know, rigging the cash register more than it is about making any kind of difference. And that's one thing I see in a lot of other podcasts historically is that, you know, people who actually make change or or or do actions for change are the noble ones. There's very few of them out there. speaker-0: Well, Greg, let me ask you this. So when we look at the ⁓ historically, the the sons and daughters of the Confederacy, particularly in the South, were never punished, but they also was allowed to get reparations. The South, ⁓ the slave owners was gave was given millions and millions of dollars to reboot for the loss of black slave labor. That was a continuation of their wealth. So that's how the wealth generation could kept expanding. So the thing about that, Greg, that was that was an intentional thing. And it was cynical. And it was and it was done by white people with power. So when white people in general, and I know, you know, we're talking ⁓ I'm talking statistical majority now, not one hundred percent. When I use the term white and black, I am always talking about statistical majority and the power of populist speaker-1: Well, it's right. speaker-0: Majority. speaker-1: So so I would not be representing that group then. speaker-0: W well what well I'm talking about that ⁓ in the in the white majority population benefit from white privilege whether they were there to enact legislation. ⁓ there there was a lot of Puritans, pilgrims that was opposed to slavery and they were white. ⁓ okay. And they stood ⁓ as their brothers and sister people. There was always been people of all races that did right thing, the right thing from a humanity standpoint. speaker-1: I I sent it, yeah. speaker-0: ⁓ throughout the period of history. But we're not talking about the the anomaly of the o of the other of the small fractional proportion of people. We we talked about a majority. So so my question to you, Greg, is that do we first as majority, when is white America going to acknowledge that they w one did wrong regarding black people, the wealth and speaker-1: Exactly. speaker-0: if that acknowledgement is sincere and genuine, would and should it be legalized in the form of reparations. speaker-1: I I I think the time that's gonna happen is whenever people actually get educated enough to realize what happened 'cause I think you have a lot of ignorance, a lot of really poor edu poorly educated individuals out there, including I mean, ⁓ myself, I don't know a lot about the ⁓ stuff that you mentioned earlier about about the slave owners getting money back from the government to reboot their farms. I mean, there there's a lot of there's there's a lot of history out there that is j cherry picked in our in our textbooks. And once we actually get people learning everything about what happened, not just what people want you to hear or what want you to learn. And once they start learning everything, it's gonna take ⁓ several generations, I think, for everybody to catch up to ⁓ to to realize how horrifying and how bad it really was. And that I mean that that that's not an easy answer. It's not a good answer at all. Because I mean ignorance is a is their bliss. And and basically, you know, the majority of the people not knowing exactly what happened is what they're hiding behind and a reason why they feel the way they feel. And, you know, wh whenever you don't have that knowledge, I mean you're a preacher, you know. I mean, whenever somebody doesn't understand the the the signs from God that they don't even know those are signs from God. But we w whenever they have ⁓ you know him in their hearts, they understand the the the words and and the actions from ⁓ from above a lot differently than they do whenever they're totally ignorant to the facts. And so I mean that being so w when it comes to historical nature and about when why America's gonna get around to it, I have no idea if they're ever gonna get around to it, first of all. Because in order for them to get around to understanding everything on a majority level the right way, they had to have a good thorough knowledge of history. And that has to be done through a w without a prism of it just like it's only this way or it's only that way. And once we start reading all the documents from the past, start reading all the historical records from the past, not just something that somebody gives us because they have an agenda. one way or the other and ⁓ we we take the bias out of it, then we're you know then you have to the next step had to get them to believe that and understand that without a bias already bent in that they're systemically built in from, you know, being raised one way or being raised a different way because they're taught this in one school or taught this in another school. And so you have a you you have a lot of work. I mean basically it goes back to what, you know, a lot of people and I know in the black community is really one reason why they push a lot of charter schools and lot of home schooling is because the school system is very racist in and how they teach historical principles and everything else of how America was founded, not just America, ⁓ how the whole New World was discovered from ⁓ Columbus to the Native Americans to I mean to to to racism to I mean everything everything we read in books is is written with a prism and and with the bias of the the author. And so we have not really had a good educational system where everything is ⁓ litmus free. And ⁓ and and colorblind. And that is what we need to have. We need to have that. Well And I have no idea how long it's gonna take for a generation to catch up to that. speaker-0: Well, I don't think you never wanna be colorblind because to be colorblind will be be intentionally intentionally that that sounds and good and third, but you know everybody needs to be in in the reality of how God created them, in their identity, the God given identity. I think the the the and then other thing I always say to people that are not of of black, ⁓ when I speak ⁓ I I I would like to say that speaker-1: Well okay. speaker-0: Personally, I have never cared about racism and that shocks a lot of people. What I care about is discrimination. I've always been blessed to have great parents to have me to read books and and to know who my God given identity is spiritually and practically. So I never really care what white people or anybody else really think about me because I understood I had the confidence of who I who I was. And what God created me and who God created me to be. The issue always is discrimination. And that's the education part that even the most educated white ⁓ people seem to not understand is that black people really want to be not be discriminated against and we want to be left alone to control our own destiny. You know, from forcing black slaves to make and produce black bodies. for massive economic output for steam for cotton or the rice or what it was, building railroads, all of that wealth generating immoral act of producing black babies and and ⁓ and and I guess and their you know th there's a concept in in in in slavery called book bricks where you have one strong black male producing which the white ⁓ races, slave owners will produce. Like an animal, making, you know, and in some cases, mother and father, mother and brother, mother and son. And that's why you have that profanity ⁓ word they call MF and that's where that comes from, slavery. Book breaking, where and then part of that was that the white slave owner will engage in homosexual act to break the strong slave in a very public way. That's called book breaking. And that's what they would do to To to systemically put fear in the other black slaves, in particular black women, okay? And then you have that with the the welfare state that where you take the black male out and you have women in head of the household. All this is systemic discrimination kind of thing. So it di it was an intentional act. And above all, I I hate to be r r redundant, but the sons and daughters of the Confederacy literally, literally controlled. The educational agenda to this day for g since slavery. So in a sense, they actually they won. There was no punishment for the rebellious Confederacy. They they was given everything they had. They were, for lack of better expression, they was kind of iced and kind of muted, but they was never punished or destroyed. And that's what we're seeing now. Everything that's diversity, they put an exclusive black face on diversity and they they have all the games have been dis destroyed. There are people in this media keep talking about the 1965 voters' right act has been gutted. What what drugs are they smoking? It's been destroyed. We hand them a Voters Right Act of nineteen sixty five, which is the fundamental foundational thing for the civil rights movement. And guess what, Greg, every other minority benefit from that. Every Chinese American, every every American, even the the the the homosexual community, all those rights were caused by mainly because of the blacks suffering the injury of ⁓ of mainly black people, but some some great white Americans that stood in solidarity, as well as Hispanic people, the Jewish people. There have been people of all races and na ethnic nationalities that have paid the ultimate price against oppression and the evil killings and the lynchings and all of that. But in the majority sense it was black people that was lynched and killed for all these rights that our Constitution used to mean something to. And we were envied by everybody on the earth that wanted to come to America for that American dream because we we were perceived to be a country that did wrong, but we kinda was rectifying that wrong. We was, you know, our human dignity. But lately, since 2016, with this current president and that Magda movement, we have regressed a thousand percent negative that's is in the gutter of immorality and it's like p a perpetual immorality. So that is the concern now. ⁓ speaker-1: We should go. speaker-0: So ⁓ that's kinda historically kind of where we're at, but ⁓ less transgression and and and then you have the the the the the idea with the black ⁓ the black Indians who was reclassified to Negroes and then that reclassification, the the American the the black Indians are not they were originals here, way before Columbus. The all the document is well understood. And there was a twofold plan to bring a lot of the African slaves in the Middle Passes and that was the ⁓ many died. But there were there were black people already here. The the route ⁓ from Africa was ⁓ very seaworthy seaworthy. They know how to move from Africa to here. The the scientific DNA proves all of this. But through all this injury, all this violation, there still hasn't been an even acknowledgement ⁓ the contribution to to the black well black people have done this d for this nation, the wealth that we've built for this nation and everybody has enjoyed that, that immigrants everybody has d has expanded those rights that black people majority wise that was lynched hang all because of their color. And there there was a really offensive to black people is when other people's, you know, kind of say, well, that was then. Let's get over it. But discrimination is go against black people is happening right now. Nothing has really changed. It's just that the sophistication of discrimination. Where you're talking about the the gerrymander political districts, the taking away of of black political power that people died for, of all races. So we still are being discriminated against. And so th that's the issue for the young people that need to realize is that You know, this is not some old theory or something that happened in the past. Discrimination's going on right now. It it's never been fixed. speaker-1: mean and you're correct. I mean, you know, people just keep on saying it w it happened then get over it and and you know the the reality here is that i it's nothing to get over, first of all. And then secondly, it it's still going on and and discrimination is going on at a very high level. I mean granted I think this country here is a lot better than it was, but it still has a long ways to go. I mean, you know, a and until we're there yet, we're we're not there. And and we have a long way to go. And I you keep talking about our great grandchildren, our great great great grandchildren. Think you know, I actually don't think that far ahead, I just think about grandchildren and ask about that. I actually got a great grandchild and I have no idea what he's gonna be thinking about. Whatever ⁓ you know, he he's down the road. I mean, I'm only fifty two years old, I'm way too young to be a great grandpa, but anyway, that's that's neither here nor there. But the point is that, you know, I mean, ha ⁓ on how we set the scale for for them to accept the world and how to live together and and and without all the hate. And ⁓ I mean I think the biggest thing is you gotta get God back in it. I mean, really w w without you know without without a good belief in the structure of a of a higher being and and and without God's direction, ⁓ without you know, letting him lead, we're gonna continue to have this hate vile nature controlling everything. Period. speaker-0: with that we definitely need the spirit of God in in our minds, our hearts, and our spirit. We have to believe that we are brothers' keeper. We gotta love God because if we love God in spirit and truth, we will then govern legislaturally as such and not speaker-1: Yeah. B yeah speaker-0: quarter of the gospel, but then live in a demonic, satanic way where we implement legislation that hurt God's people. Yeah. We're all God's people at the end of the day. speaker-1: The the cool about the thing about this legislation is that as much as this Supreme Court did one thing, I'm very I'm extremely confident that ne the next Supreme Court will probably reverse it. And ⁓ and and laws always change and they will change, but they need to change where people are not being discriminated against, period. And I mean well, I mean the the whole voters' right act, I mean I think from the mindset of people I talk to about the what the Supreme Court's saying with the redistricting and all the redrawing. is that we are in in a more integrated society now than we were in the past. So I mean people don't live as segregatedly as they did before. But at the same time, you know, that that that that's just the argument for the people who are, you know, supporting that. The other argument for the people who are ⁓ who are, you know, think it's a violation of all their rights and everything else, I mean, I get that I get I get both arguments. I get their side it's as well. Because it's it seems like it's been hundreds of years ago, but it's only been fifty. I mean, fifty, sixty years ago since the Civil Rights Act and sixty five, I mean it hasn't been very long ago when it was enacted. And so that being said, I mean, you know, the ink is still drying on that document and and people need to start looking at all the different angles and granted, yes, we are a more integrated society and that's great. People are not as segregated as they used to be and that is great. However, we still cannot use it as an excuse to take away the rights of people from voting now. That being said, you know, I I don't see anything I mean, I don't see any thing stopping anybody from voting. I also see i because ⁓ you know, more w was I said before, I I'm a little more ignorant on the deep dive of what all they're doing. You're a lawyer, I'm not I haven't really been paying as much attention to on the deep side about what all the Supreme Court was undoing. I do still think I'm of the opinion that people still have the right to vote. I don't think anybody's had that right taken away from them. I do think the Representation factor though was a big difference. Is that in w whenever you have districts that were represented just for certain organizations and so basically they're kind of shedding or disintegrating all of that. And so basically it's a you know, it's a free, you know, free for all basically on representation and and so I mean i I definitely see the the problem with that as well. speaker-0: Well the the thing about it is that from a educational standpoint historically how you how the voting rights act came enacting because obviously black people were slaves and then three fifths of person they had Jim Crow that couldn't vote. You had all kind of weird poll taxes memorizing the whole constitution forward and backwards. Just just silly stuff. So to oppress speaker-1: Right. Exactly. Evil things, yeah. speaker-0: And and effectively deny people the right to vote. Secondly, you had economic tr discrimination such as redlining, blacks couldn't get loans, and when they could, it was only economically and economic the pressed neighborhoods. So this is how you generally agree organically from a economic discriminatory standpoint, Bennett's is not gonna give you loans to live in certain kind of neighborhoods. So this is how you have speaker-1: Right. I understand, yeah. Manoa. speaker-0: Exactly. And so therefore it's systemically done that way because of you can't get loans in certain kind of areas. Exactly. Yeah, so that means you can't go to a different area. So therefore, you're gonna always be concentrated in a in a in a an in in a a a certain area and a certain zip code that's very ⁓ you know, economically ⁓ the lower social economic class in in general ⁓ or statistically speaking, right? So therefore speaker-1: Then you can go to a different area. speaker-0: The Supreme Court has always said through the Votal Right Act is that a person that's paying taxes and working hard and doing what they need to do need to have some level of voter recognition, a legislative recognition of of their wants and desires and the p political representation. Why? Because not nationally, but in this country, whites are population wise the majority. So why should a majority there there has to be some single minority difference so you can have some type of ⁓ minority representation, particularly if you're paying taxes and you're a citizen doing what you need to do. So that's the whole thing about So yeah, so that that's why that that's what it is. So let's let's go into topic A, which is let's talk about the ⁓ N I L and the ⁓ NAACP and the powers that be that's run the NWA C P speaker-1: Right. Exactly. speaker-0: has responded to just political gerrymandering by saying essentially that they're telling ⁓ top black athletes, particularly in football, and it's probably gonna go to other sports, that we don't want you going to SEC school. And and even like Flora State, but so the response from the NAACP and a lot of blacks and people like and I I do support this, is that we're not going to ⁓ speaker-1: ⁓ speaker-0: Alabama, University of Florida, Missouri or all the SEC teams. If you're gonna take away political voter rights, our leverage as black Americans say we're gonna tell our young people, no, we we don't we don't support those schools that are basically gonna take away our political rights to vote as a people that our ancestors have died for and was lynched for. And so that's really the argument. What's your what's your view on that? speaker-1: I have no idea what the schools have any ability to influence any of the legislatures and the federal guys whatsoever unless they show up with a big check. Because I mean, you know, the the guys in Congress are only influenced by money on both sides of the aisle. And so I mean and that being said, I don't think boycotting or or or staying away from these universities, which are actually not just athletically dominant universities, but academically dominant universities is gonna is going to help you know massage or or push the ⁓ situation as a as you know one direction or the other because ⁓ you know be it being a result of the what the federal government and the Supreme Court is doing. Now granted, you know, they you know the the whole freedom of speech is out there. I mean I you know, they have a freedom to say one thing and and everybody has a freedom to say it back and everybody this argument, this this debate is awesome. I mean it's great that everybody's talking about it. But I did not know what the classical you know, abilities. I mean, that what their power is to influence the federal legislation. I mean, heck, they have trouble getting, you know, the the the campuses safe, you know, w with all the rioting and all the fighting and all the protesting going on whenever it just comes to Palestine and ⁓ Israel. I mean I mean most all the campuses up west, up north and up south, I mean, were we were violent and had violent protests for like a year or two. And ⁓ and nobody is boycotting anybody over any of that. I mean I mean, it ⁓ would be nice if they did and I think it'd be you know, but it's naive to think that these f university presidents who are actually appointed by governors and appointed by people in Congress and usually end up becoming ran by people who used to be in Congress have any influence to to to ⁓ changing legislation at the federal state or Supreme Court level. So, I mean, I don't see you know, I I I I think it's honorable that they're doing it, but I also I don't see what the end game is gonna result in. speaker-0: Well, I think the in game the end game is about speaker-1: I know where they want it to be. speaker-0: One thing that white America loves more than anything in my opinion is money and and more of it. Yes. And power. And so so there are television rights associated with winning. And we're talking about billions of dollars and te speaker-1: Not really. I mean Notre Dame Notre Dame's had T V rights for years and they're losing team. speaker-0: Well, no that's because they're independent. No no no no no Notre Dame is not in a conference. Okay, they're independent. So they're a little anomaly. But when you talk about all these SEC team, ACC team, they they divide and distribute that money based on the power of the conference and and television rights and naming rights and stadium rights, corporations, it's all a big money game. And so therefore, if you don't have the top players coming to your university and they're going elsewhere. And in the long term effect, it's not like a a fly by night situation, but the long term vision and strategy will work. Okay. If the question is i if if if if there's no political change, then I don't think a lot of those schools and and the wealthy people that fund those schools are gonna want their schools to be losing it and and and basically just not being successful for ⁓ winning championships and things like that. So winning is what people like. That's what people Muhammad Lee has always used his sports as a as a way to make political changes. And many other athletes, Jim Brown and Rima Julie the Ball, that's always been a case in every generation. It's just the fact that this new generation don't use the power that and some of them don't even know the power that they have, but there's an awakening going on. speaker-1: More. Yeah, definitely. I agree. Yeah. should be. I mean but but where where's the limit at the conferences? Are you talking about the SEC, the ACC, the Conference USA, the Sunbelt Conference, the American Conference? Yeah. Eventually any conference that has a university in the South? speaker-0: Correct, correct. But obviously you start with yeah, SEC and the name conference that ex has an expectation, particularly SEC, that we need to be viable to if we don't win the championship, we need to be trying to win the championship every year. And it's almost n anything less is not civilized to the SEC elite schools. So you start there and a and I guess it will go, you know, speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: it it'll it'll mobilize and get more universities involved and and and right now the first step will be the SEC and possibly ACC but who who knows but that I I think the strategy ⁓ requires discipline and call it calls it for long term thinking, not a fly by night kind of i i it there's a commitment to it. Now you mentioned something else speaker-1: Yeah, because Yeah, I mean because but because you're talking about universities based on their geographic location, not off their personality traits or or their agendas. And so I mean you're you're basically punishing universities because they are in a certain footprint that they cannot change because they're in that footprint. And and and basically those universities, you know, their their agenda, their their persuasion, their personalities and their leadership might be entirely different than what the ⁓ what what's controlling the the the political nature of that footprint. Like you might have a conservative public university in a liberal area or a liberal public university in the conservative area. And so I mean basically w w you know you're in my opinion, it seems like these schools are being punished by something that they have no control over whatsoever. And and and then they're gonna be hoping that these guys who fly these wonderful junkets and get all this lobbyist money and everything else actually give a darn. speaker-0: Well Stephen One always said that music is the universal language. And I agree with that. And I also tap but I'll s I'll say I'll say this, but you know, even though music may be the universal language, money is the language of people power. So and when you start taking or losing or decreasing money, it gets the people in power attention because they want it and they want to keep it. Okay, they want to maintain it. So therefore speaker-1: I agree. Legacy is a long term speaker-0: That is a long term is yeah, it's a long term strategy. I think and I I see the people who have some degree of intellectual appause for the right now practicality of it, because you know, you don't need finishing faith to get started. You have to have Genesis faith and then you move to the endurance phase and then of faith and then you have finishing faith. But you don't need finishing faith in the b in the beginning. So that's what this is all about. So about having the the boldness to say that w what you're doing is not constitutional, not moral, not fair, not equable, and this is our response to that. Now, you mentioned something about ⁓ between the Palestinian and Israel and stewards that was on universal all across the the nation. To me that was the first first right amendment, freedom to protest, freedom of speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: Well, the thing about it is that developments come sometimes from right wingers who was driving like Lady Cal you know, South Carolina just ran over the lady because they have this white nationalism disguised as patriotism mentality that is their way or the highway. You know, and it speaker-1: I agree with you. I mean, ⁓ a and I I'm not I'm not picking aside here on on on Republican, Democrat, you know, I don't really care who it is. ⁓ the violence is, you know, ridiculous and has to stop, period. Political violence has got to stop on both sides of the aisle. R period. speaker-0: Yeah, I agree with you that I I violence is not the way a particular discontact to resolve anything. The ability to protest. That's really love for your country. The being to protest to say that you're in error, America. Yes. And that's because I'm pointing that out because I love ⁓ speaker-1: American, America. speaker-0: this country and I think that's what everybody that protests, that's what we have in our constitution. Everybody had put in the suffering, mostly blacks, in a overabundance for lynching and and the hate and oppression and depression and systemic killing and lynching. But yet we still believe in this nation. You know, what it could be, not what it is, not what it has been. But the potential of America is what? Black America is still giving it residuals that it haven't earned or d that it even deserves. But yet it's still so it's kinda it's kinda strange for people like me to see all the anger for Magna. It's like where is that coming from? You got everything you wanted and you still speaker-1: ⁓ I agree. Not me, but yeah. They didn't get everything they wanted, okay. And and the reason why they're upset is because they're you know, there's a lot of angry people in in in all the different movements. It's not just the MAGA movement. The left has their own movements and everything else that have a lot of angry people. And and basically, I mean, I call those the extremist parts of both parties and both sides of the political equation and those need to be, you know, squashed out and silenced in my personal opinion. But I mean, you know, back to the whole freedom of speech and And freedom of protest and right to assemble and everything, and those are all perfect parts of the First Amendment. But what also is not mentioned in the First Amendment is there is no freedom of violence, there's no freedom of intimidation, there's no freedom of ⁓ you know, coercion, there's no freedom of ⁓ you know shooting, there's no freedom of ⁓ beating people up, there's no freedom of running anybody over. Those are not freedoms. And so whenever people start destroying property, evandalizing property, hurting other people around them, intimidating other people around them, That is where, you know, your your freedom is not that's not part of the whole freedom of speech and freedom of There th there is a limit there. As a lawyer you know that as well. So I mean speaker-0: Crumb. There's n yeah, the the the law doesn't protect criminal action and then there's statutes that if you violate those criminal statutes you could be prosecuted and they and people ⁓ speaker-1: ⁓ just Burn a building down because you wanna I mean you just can't burn a building down. No matter if it's deserted or not, it doesn't really matter if it's deserted or not. You just can't do that. And and and and and it's ⁓ and ⁓ I'm not just saying ⁓ because it's one side 'cause both sides take ⁓ full advantage of this once they start getting out there in the streets and I've been in several protests myself and and and marches for pro life issues and and homosexual issues and ⁓ you know, Tea Party issues or and you know, I I I've covered issues with the antiphocite and cover pro Trump, anti Trump rallies and I was I've been a journalist. Y you have a journalism background. We've both been out there on the front lines and and we watch these protests objectively. And and and I remember one time we had a protest because some people were being tased in the jail where I was living at. And and so, you know, this minority organization called Movement for Change led by Leroy Boyd. He's leading protests and ⁓ we're very supportive of that. of people not being abused in the jail system and everything else or or in ⁓ criminal system and and all this abuse that people don't even want to talk about, of people being tased and and beaten and and killed and so on and so forth in the correctional system. And and those are types of, you know, protests that you and I have both been a part of privy to. And but one c awesome thing about them is that whenever they're just speaking and showing signs and showing solidarity That's when they're most powerful. Once they start breaking into violence because temper slare, that's when all the power goes away. And so I mean the the power is in your voice. The power is in your resolve and your maturity to actually, you know, stand up and realize the potential of this country. I mean, we're about to hit two hundred fiftieth anniversary here in just a few weeks here. And, you know, we we've we've come a long ways, but we have a long ways to go. And and America's still ⁓ in my opinion is the greatest, you know We couldn't do this show anywhere else to the to the freedoms and to the ⁓ extremes that we want to do it. And so I mean a and the ability or or the the the the freedom that we have to do this is great, but there's so much more we can have. I mean, the laws you write are are being written in a very discriminatory way. I'm also very confident being a ⁓ you know, a studier of political nature, is that these laws will change on a dime very quickly. No matter who else is ⁓ in charge next. And and the the the whole thing is that people the money controls everything, but power also controls everything. Whoever's in in charge next. And you know, re Democrats actually should say thank you to a lot of Republicans for giving them a waterfly handbook, how seamlessly to flip everything upside down and reverse it so easily. Because once the Democrats get in power, which in every generation everything switches, the Republicans are gonna end up paying the price because every single thing that they're like something their chests about, they're gonna end up losing in the end because it's just gonna be easily turned around. speaker-0: Well, you gotta have some level of moderation because I think when you have speaker-1: Moderation. There's no moderation in this country. speaker-0: Yeah. Well, I think there's that that's like a far but but but you know, everybody is we can't have a a quote unquote a pure test, a polarization test from all parties that says that you have to do exactly what the party tells you. speaker-1: And that's a problem actually. Exactly. Exactly. That's wrong. That's the exact problem. ⁓ speaker-0: That's the problem. That's the political par paralysis that's destroyed this country. speaker-1: Exactly. The MAGA movement and the and the ⁓ woke movement are both destroying both parts of the party. I mean or you have to you had to support transgenderism and had to support, you know, kids being mutilated at a young age or or homoblockers or this or that or you had to be pro choice or you had to do this, or on the right side you had to support Trump, or you had to be pro war, you had to be pro Israel. You can't have a different set of I mean Well, what happened to the whole free market place of ideas on both sides, guys? I mean, that's exactly, you know, the that that you know, it's almost like we're going through, you know, discrimination on several several different levels. And ideologically, you know, mindset wise. I mean, ⁓ all the all the division that is being, you know, embedded in all of us systemically is horrifyingly sick and disgusting. And and and once people start realizing You know, just just just stop it. But that's gonna be a long ⁓ time. speaker-0: Well d The division in this country was implemented by law, by evil white men that legislated that. And it's hard to you know, for hundreds of slavery. speaker-1: Because Yeah, 'cause they got the elections, yeah. speaker-0: Yeah, well the thing that ⁓ we have to do I I I I I I I agree with what you're saying in terms of we gotta be to have people to think in in all parties and I represent the kingdom of God. The the love of Jesus Christ is what I'm about. So however God sees me is how I vote. But in terms of the woke movement, that's not into the same basket that you was talking about earlier. The woke movement usually Is a revelation. speaker-1: Yeah, I was gonna say there's actually two woke movements, and so I think that the original woke movement was the right one, the one that's been hijacked by it's been hijacked. speaker-0: You'd hijack by white people with bad intentions trying to lie and dis disparate what the original movement really was about. The original movement was about discrimination against black people in black spaces and economically socially and all that's what it's about. But they're good intentions. So yeah, so that's a good clarification. But let's now transition to another topic that as you speaker-1: So Exactly Yeah. speaker-0: being the astute journalist and historian, particularly of Florida. Now, there is an interesting kind of multiple dimension issue in Florida with famous rapper Luther Campbell was running for a seat down in Miami, which is a a minority, a majority minority seat that's mainly black or or more minor mainly minority. Even all this Supreme Court scolded a german and thing, that has a remaining speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: a a ⁓ majority black district. Right. And there's there's already some ⁓ di ⁓ a lot of different candidates in in there, but Luther Campbell is the most political ⁓ I guess the most famously known as a former rapper and and he actually was was in some First Amendment rights, a bit constitutional question with First Amendment stuff about with his group, musical Two Live Crew, about freedom of speech speech. speaker-1: Mizza speaker-0: But that w let's set that aside for right now. The issue is we had a Democrat, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who is of the Jewish faith, and she now is now getting into this already headed contested race. And Luther Campbell has a problem with that. And he and one of his main problems is that Hakeem Jefferys and the Democratic leadership speaker-1: Right. speaker-0: is allowed Debbie Washman Schultz to do this because her seat was basically etched out by the Florida GOP and and the scoters. So speaker-1: You know, she she she has a freedom. Yeah, and and she has a freedom to run wherever she wants to run. However, at the same time, you know, it's probably not sparseing in the world. I mean, for people who don't know, this is a seat that Sheila McCormick has currently as a congresswoman and she resigned because she was, you know, found guilty on twenty five different ethics violations, ⁓ according to the House and a bipartisan group for COVID issues, and she's actually being indicted on a federal level here for I think on eleven different indictment charges for No, basically ⁓ changing a a dollar amount on an invoice for COVID money and using that money allegedly for her campaign. So but but she decided to still keep running. And I think it was ironic how she said she was running because she's saying she says that that district needs to have black representation, not realizing at the time that there were four other black individuals who are also running for the district on the Democrat side and three other black individuals on the Republican side. So out of the seven African Americans running for the district, I don't think there was any shortage of African Americans who might be elected. But then In comes Debbie Washerman Schultz. Correct. Who just basically wants to go ahead and you know, she needs a job because she's only been in Congress for thirty years and she hasn't been long enough there to get a good retirement yet, or maybe she has and maybe her insider trading allegedly hasn't, you know, gotten to the level that she wants it to be at. And so she needs to go ahead and keep her her ability to to do that going. And so we have a Holanist in a race, we got Elijah Manley in a race, we Luther Kim won race, we got ⁓ We actually I interviewed on my podcast ⁓ Rod Joseph, who's running on the Republican side, who's Haitian, who's also in the race, and she lives in the race. So there's there's a lot of African Americans who are currently in this race and then once they come in and basically split her it all up, take the little itty bitty white vote and that's left in the district and basically screw everybody over. And I mean, you know, yeah, does she have the legal right to do it? Yeah. Should she? No. speaker-0: Yeah, I I concurred that I think she definitely has the legal right to do it, but it it it i it there are rules and then there's informal rules of of ethics and culture and and and was right. I mean, yes, she has the legal right, but it's out it's outrageous. It's a slap in the face, face with someone who, like you said, been there for very, very for decades, and she's been in the Democratic leadership for a significant amount of time. And so it's really foul. Yeah. I I think it's foul. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: ⁓ what what she's doing. Again, as I say earlier, money and power, they chase each other. And particular in the American political system, you know, it's like people people some type s when you go to Congress for the longest lot of those people been there, they d they won't leave. Only thing takes them away is death, unfortunately. You know what I mean? And it's that money and the power. They they they're addicted to it. It's the worst drug there is. You know that pain. speaker-1: And and and they end up working at these colleges and they work at these universities after they leave and that's the reason why you know I mean i if you know that's the reason why back to the SEC issue and the NAACP and the issue with the ⁓ the J ⁓ the redrawing of the districts and the influence is that, you know, i if it were the other way around, if they were college people who were looking to become congressional people, then you might have some sort of influence here. But these are basically ⁓ most of the people running a lot of the universities are former congressional people who basically, you know, found a really cushy job working in the ⁓ higher educational system and and and and so it's ⁓ it's kinda like reversed. And so I mean it's just it's just sad and frustrating. Very high level. The speaker-0: D didn't you don't you have a company that deals with a lot of these issues we talk about downturn? speaker-1: Yes, we do. We have Yeah, it's called Florida True. It's our political action committee and we are basically we we but we started we started the organization a couple of years ago because to talk about voter fraud and yeah I know before we everybody says, ⁓ there's no such thing as voter fraud. There's been voter fraud for a couple hundred years, okay? And it's just in different ways. And somebody said, ⁓ it's not enough to to make a difference and I'm like, Well let me tell you how many campaigns you've been involved in that were settled by fifty votes or less. I'll tell you how many I've been involved in. I've been involved in seven elections that were shelled by seven fifty votes or less. And I will dare s find any consultant out there who's been inv involved or seen as much corruption or vote tampering as I have and or my team has. So yeah, we started up a group called we when we saw Alasha County in two thousand twenty four, we had numerous precincts that had a hundred and thirty percent turnout, a hundred and forty percent turnout. Now I'm a good math guy, you're a math guy. You know, you know, you max out at a hundred percent, you know? I mean, ⁓ I don't know. Call me stupid. I don't know. But whenever you have a hundred forty percent turnout, you start to scratch your head. And then whenever those ⁓ people that were a hundred forty percent turnout moved away and left and went back to where they came from six weeks after the election, you really start to scratch your head a lot more. Then whenever you have people who are actually registering voters who are in prison, not in jail, because once again, a misdemeanor, you can still vote, but if you're a felon and you're haven't been restored your rights because you're ⁓ well no you're still a felon you're actually still in prison and you haven't had your rights restored then you shouldn't really probably be voting at all. Or but then doing voter drives in prisons from the from the area. We we started questioning things. We started scratching our heads. I mean I'm all for felons getting their voting rights back. I I was actually a big supporter of that when Charlie Chris pushed that back in two thousand and ten and everything. I was a very big supporter of that. However, if you're still in prison, you're still a felon You're not getting your rights back until you I get out and follow the rules and do your paperwork and so on and so forth. And it's the same thing about precincts being or so yeah, we started this group called Florida True. And we wanted to start looking into corruption of both parties. And what that's one thing we realized is that we brought this up to Republicans. They're like, There's nothing to see here. We brought it up to Democrats to say there's definitely nothing to see here. I mean, because at the end of the day It's the power that controls everything and the power is controlled by the money. And I have seen numerous elections in Republican counties and Democratic counties which are extremely questionable and ⁓ and it's a and so we have this organization and ⁓ we put together it's with our company Pow Fox Productions and that's a little branch of our off of our company 'cause majority of us do campaign consulting and we want to look into corruption or unethical nature of elected officials and people who are trying to become elected officials. So that's more or less what the organization is a watchdog group. And we haven't really been as active the last six months or so because I've been having to deal with some family issues, but we are activating it a lot more the last ⁓ six weeks here. And ⁓ that's one issue we're looking at is how Debbie basically saying that she wants to be the savior of the black people and not realizing that I'm white, she's white, and you know, white people don't know anything about ⁓ the black community is going through. Black people don't know What the white community is going through, whites don't know what Latinos are going through, Latinos don't know what blacks are going through, blacks don't know what Latinos are going through, so on and so forth. I mean, there's a reason why we are all different people and to s to be so presumptuous, to be so arrogant to say that you know what everybody else is going through is just nauseatingly sick. In my opinion. You're wrong. speaker-0: Yeah, that's one of the that that well, that's one of the that's one of the most ⁓ culturally insulting things that people can do to think that they know what b what's black folk that's not black. ⁓ people who've been the most oppressed in this nation systemically, practically, socially, and economically, but yet people who ha have the opposite white privilege think that they can tell us what's best for us. speaker-1: Red. speaker-0: is out is outrageously ridiculous on his face. But but so it's good to know that, you know, you and your companies is kinda going to deal with that situation. But l let's deal with our final topic for tonight. And that that is not we talked about, you know, the gerrymandering, but I wanna deal with this idea of ⁓ we mentioned reparations before, but I believe this so called slush bund That the president and all the different changes speaker-1: That one That's fun. One point eight billion. speaker-0: It seems like Yeah, yeah. So seventeen point seventy six, you know, billion dollars that was a was a was a reduction of his what? Ten billion. speaker-1: It's nothing. I mean, Biden gave that much money to NGOs through ⁓ the EPA and I mean, you know, yes, is it horrible and egregious? Yes. Is it new? No. speaker-0: Well, no one has done this before. Most presidents have funds in in in a blind trust that they don't control. He's never done that. He's never released his taxes. The people who the people who leaked his taxes wasn't necessarily people we who he's suing, but at the end of the day, it's the taxpayer's money. So he is the person in charge of the organization he sued now. speaker-1: Well not like this. speaker-0: I still don't know the exact number, but it's a whole lot of district judges ⁓ filed a brief asking the judge in that case to ⁓ reopen the case because of the fraud on the court aspect of it. I think that's what's happening now, and I think that d this is a big problem because this is this would definitely be an impeachable ⁓ legal reality. It is not even a hard sale. But but well, I it is criminal. speaker-1: What's that invisible? You guys impeach him over a phone call for God's sakes. I mean speaker-0: Exactly. But we the laws don't seem to apply to him. And one of the basic tenets of law school is that no one is above the law. This this president has flipped that and and buried it into eternal whatever you want to call it. It don't seem to work it don't seem to apply to him. So speaker-1: Okay. Don't don't make me defend him, okay? But I will say this. Okay, we haven't had a president who is a developer with that much assets. In fact, you can go back and look at the net worth of all the other presidents before. I think his well, okay, let's let's realize his net worth might not be really what he said it was, but if it were what it said it was, then his net worth is probably more than the past probably ten presidents combined net worth before they got elected. But that and so I mean y you know, he's the first one like this. He's also the first one to To bring this much with them to the table as far as all that goes. And yeah. Is it messy? Of course it's messy. speaker-0: Well we we've seen all the truth is not his friend and we know that in line is his natural his natural inhabitant. speaker-1: Am I gonna say that? Am I gonna say that? Well, allegedly. Well speaker-0: Well but this is the th but what we do know is that his actual wealth since he'd been president of the United States has has has made him a real billionaire. yeah. That was that that was true when he was running. And now we see it. We see the sum the left the the the level and the magnitude of this conflict for interest or taking from or stealing or whatever you want to call it from the American coffers. speaker-1: He is doing good now. speaker-0: is unprecedented and it's so open it's like open theft for it. speaker-1: ⁓ well, okay, okay. First of all, it is unprecedented because this is the first time we've had a president who has had children who are of working age, of legitimate work, not like Hunter Biden's work, which is mostly in illegitimate as we all know. But I mean, but I mean Obama's kids were in high school, Bush's kids were in high school, Carter's kids weren't really all that self employee driven. Reagan's kids, well, Ronald Reagan Jr., he wanted to be an actor too. So I mean, you know, the actor world is not the most, you know I mean, you know, financially secure world and I mean for a president's son. I mean, this guy's kids were doing this before he became president. I mean, they they they've been cutting deals with the government and and doing development deals and hotels and casinos and everything. I mean, the whole family was doing this for a long time before he became president. So, I mean, this is also the first time you've had a president whose children were doing and yes. You know, getting elected, every ⁓ everybody out there has a lot more friends and a lot more ability to get a lot more contracts and that's the reason why a lot of people, you know, donate to these politicians and donate to these congressmen and senators so they can have more access. And whenever your your dad becomes president, you're gonna get a lot more access to a lot more people and that's that's just what happens when, you know, I mean that's that's nature now. Is it at a very high level? Yeah. Is it messy? Yeah. Is it speaker-0: Not message, this criminal, Greg. We're talking about we're talking about stock, stock market, stock market manipulation. He lifted over and over tells you what stock is, and that stock may be a brand new company or a new ⁓ a company that's not even developed, and then you have as many times as a company associated with one of his one of his children, and being a dollar. speaker-1: Well I'm not the lawyer here, so Well that's wrong. You're right. Strong, yeah. Okay, was that speaker-0: You know? And so it's like no one has ever done nothing that that insane. It's just it's just speaker-1: Well they have it. I mean he's doing a lot of things that nobody's ever done. speaker-0: Well exactly. And so but what I'm saying is that where is that conservative, you know, stop spending the people's money kind of mentality. Where it it speaker-1: It doesn't exist. It does not exist. I told all my Republican friends that and I'm a I vo I did vote for Trump and I am a Republican. But you know, and so I know you're angry about that. And don't don't hate me for it. I just didn't like Camilla that much, and I know you think she was very qualified. I didn't like her. But you know, but that's just, you know, that was my personal right of view. But you know, did I think that Trump was a conservative? No. I thought he was gonna spin like crazy and I thought and I told everybody If he becomes a Republican nominee again and he did, and if he becomes a Republican president again and he did, then it is not gonna be the New Gingrich contract with America, small government kinda Republicans that we were talking about back in the nineties. It that that ship is sailed a long time ago. I mean I mean, we are I mean and I I happen to think that i it's a part of our government system that any time one party is in charge, I mean, they just spin like drunken sailors. I mean There's nobody out there saying cut spending. I mean, you know, I'd like to see them try to cut spending. It'd be wonderful if all the Democrats were in charge that they would cut spending or other Republicans were in charge they would cut spending. That would be an awesome, awesome start. Try it. See how it works. Give it a shot because I mean give it give it the government back to us. speaker-0: He's Well he's he's he's added trillions of dollars extra than ⁓ more proportion wise to any president in the history of the country that other presidency. So that's more common with with Republican president. They stand speaker-1: We got a lot more people here. We've got forty million more people 'cause Biden gave us forty more million people. speaker-0: Well, I I don't know about that, but but I I I think that legal immigration's always been what America's always always been about. Because ⁓ so they come in, they they they do what they need to do for the most and they expand and they have a expand economy, they expand the tax break the base and and so the economy grows with with with immigration. So speaker-1: Not only. Liggle, correct. speaker-0: It's always been that case. It doesn't take a rocket science to figure it out. But this this cultural false sense of patriotism from extremely magna kind of people i is what's ⁓ k ⁓ destroying this nation because the the very people who they well well it's it's it's a main is is is a part of it because it it it to a state where they they kind of believe that we can disregard the constitution, we can make speaker-1: Not but so. It's a part of it. speaker-0: One man one man, a dictatorship. Everything that we fall and believe in it is is is in those in the in that constitution. And when you want to ignore the constitution, throw away the rule of law, just because of idolatry worship of one man, that's a spiritual problem, which is a big the biggest problem. And so and then from practical standpoint it leading us where we're losing credibility speaker-1: You can't disregard it. I agree. speaker-0: in the international community of nations because we look real foolish right now. You know, I mean speaker-1: I read international community. International community I wants to come to America anyway. Yeah, I wish they could be. speaker-0: That used to be the case though, Greg. I mean, but I since two thousand six I would I I would I I I I beg to deal with but I think it always has been the case. Why? Because we've always been viewed as somewhat of a a neutral referee in every ever every dispute, you know. We've seen speaker-1: It will be soon. We are. People are trying to die coming here every day. speaker-0: Well, yeah, well that used to be the case. But I think now it's like even our friends, our allies don't want to be bothered with us anymore. I mean, you know, it do we do we even speaker-1: But you're looking at through the speaker-0: About Japan lately? It's like Japan almost just went off the radar. We're even here by speaker-1: I do think that there is a medium a media prism here that's basically we're only hearing what, you know, they they they want us to hear. I mean, and so if the media wants us to hear that all the other countries are are against us. I mean, you go to the other countries and you talk to them about America and you just talk to individuals one on one on the streets, I think you might have a difference of opinion than what the media is saying that they feel about America or or they're not saying because I mean a lot of the stuff that we hear is filtered and and squashed and or or you know released based off what people want us to hear or not hear. And so I I think that there's a lot of bias in in in in in how we think, you know, y you and I are just two guys here on Florida and and so what we think about what the international community thinks about America is basically only what we see CNN, Fox News OAN, MSNBC, MS Now, New York Times, LA Times or whatever medium that we're reading or hearing or seeing is telling us that the people think about America because, you know, and and and and and that's unfortunately w we're reliant on that. And so I want to give everybody a a lot better shot at thinking that, you know, still people are trying to come here to America at a rate that they're not trying to go to any other nation in the world. And I do think that people all over the the world love to to to to think that there's still an opportunity here, there's still a possibility here to make it their lives better in in in America and a as opposed to other nations where the slavery is worse, the hate is worse, the division is worse, the the crime is worse, the serfdom is worse. I mean the the way they treat minorities or homosexuals or women or anybody is far, far more evil and decapitating and and and stone driven than than the ⁓ way we treated everybody here. Although it's not great here. I mean it's better than what it was and it still has a lot is a lot better to go. But compared to everybody where else, I think this place is, in my opinion, doing pretty good. speaker-0: Yeah, we still we still have hope if we could keep most of our senses. I say I think most of our senses are gone as a corporate body. Hopefully we can regain what we've lost and a and come from, you know, our mental insanity to saneness. And I think that ⁓ with God's help W yeah, with God help and and and we're willing to have God's help. speaker-1: Yeah, exactly. Yeah the speaker-0: in the most basic way in terms of mind, body, spirit and soul. We we'll we'll always win if we truly want to obey what God tells us to do and not do what we want to do. That's the bottom line, because as long as we love God, not in in spirit and indeed, and if we love God, we gotta love our brothers and our sisters, not act like this is our country. We trying to kick others that we don't think should be here out. speaker-1: Exactly. speaker-0: That's foolishness, that's ridiculousness, and it's not accurate from a ⁓ if we talked about earlier, the the the the original people in this country were black Indian first. So everything will go back to the black in Indians if we will start exporting and kicking people out. And so so we need to always have a historical reality or a historical perspective to know where we've been so we can know where we where we need to go. So we all go and we need to go together. hand to hand brother and sister ⁓ for the kingdom of God. And and that's pretty much a wrap ⁓ inner lasting commentary, Greg, before we close out. speaker-1: I mean, the the only thing I'd do to follow up with what you're just saying is that you're correct. We don't need to just be kicking anybody out, but everything does has to be and and there has to be a methodology and mechanism to make sure everything is done legally so we know who everybody is. I mean, there's actually what people don't realize ⁓ unless they're actually getting involved in urban planning or growth management of communities, is that until you actually have a real number of where how many people are where and have documentation ⁓ where they're at, you can't really properly pan for your town, your city, your community. I mean people don't even realize hospital beds are decided based on how many records are in a zip code or how many people are in a certain area. Traffic lights, I mean every single thing, your infrastructure, the size of your water pipes, everything is driven by how many people are on record in in a certain community. And so it's not a racist thing. saying, ⁓ we we we have to know that ha who no, we have to know because you have to know. You have to you have to have documentation that dictates and drives your infrastructure, which drives your quality of life. And it's and and that's that's driven by dollars and dollars all follow the people. It's like an education. Dollars follow the students. And and and whenever you're talking about infrastructure, dollars follow households. And households are, you know, you have to know how many people are per household is it, you know eight people in a house or is it twenty people in a house? Well how much will it I mean, you have to have data and and and you have to know in order to plan properly for your community. And without that, you know, that's the reason why you have emergency rooms being overrun. That's reason why you have schools with instead of twenty five students in a classroom, you got forty five students in a classroom or you have this overgrowth because you don't have any proper planning. Without proper planning you have poor quality of life and everything else. So it all trickles down. And so, you know There there's a there's a lot of technical reasons on why y you know, we don't need to be kicking everybody out, granted, but we do need to know who the heck is here and they need to be here legally. speaker-0: Well yeah, I think everybody would agree with that that we need to have a way to know who's here. The really the dispute is who should be picking up exclusively, who should be seeing who goes. But there's all there's already great legal systems that's already in place if people well, but I think a lot of these politicians just speaker-1: Exactly, yeah. It's complicated. We should not be in you. speaker-0: Just selling hate, just selling division. Exactly. And and the law is already solid about who can get political asylum, how the immigration process works. And and and then again too, the other reason why we can stop a lot of so called quote unquote illegal immigration, because you have corporations that bring a lot of these workers over who have wealth, speaker-1: Exactly. And they should be looked at. And nobody's talking to them. speaker-0: They should be fine and Yeah, and d they can control a lot of that. So Yeah, they can. speaker-1: They can. That's where the hypocrisy that that's what frustrates me on both sides is that we know who's bringing these people in and we just sit back and like, Well, you know, it's all these guys were in here. I'm like, Yeah, but they're being paid to come in here and we have a mechanism and a knowledge of knowing who they are and the fact that we're not doing anything to stop that, to stop the slave labor, to stop the the the the illegal labor, the sucks the sex trade. and everything else and and all the human trafficking and all the stuff that's happening and we know it's happening and the fact that we just say we're just going after the people who are here illegally and we're not going after the corporations or the individuals who are bringing them in here and legalizing it and saying it's okay is just sickening. speaker-0: Exactly. We g we give corporations a a break and even when mi rum brumnik comes, corporations are are are humans, my friend. So this kind of yeah, this the kind of slippery slope that we went to where we keep we we just give corporations just ⁓ a a full pass on on everything from taxation to everything. speaker-1: Yeah, it doesn't work like that. Yeah. Just because they're humans doesn't mean they get a free pass, 'cause they're humans they need to be they need to be held to the same standards as humans. speaker-0: Well well again, we can stop the corporation because we have the data that shows who bringing these people over for work purposes and who profiting from that. But we refuse to to do that because it's easier to br bring a racial, class, cultural hate division thing that sounds good. Can they make good sounds by especially for Fox News? All the fundraisers and and agendas that people have. But Anyway, ⁓ that's pretty much a wrap for tonight. We want to thank all of our guests for joining us. You can catch Greg on the parent all different ⁓ networks and and ⁓ you can catch me on social media. We'll be we'll be around Charles Barfield. But thanks again, Greg, for being here and and you you're very welcome and and and we're talking about the the show and we just like and follow. 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