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NY Times Bestselling author, Steve Phillips explains how we can win the Civil War. · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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  Speaker 1: My guest is Steve Phillips.
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  Speaker 2: He is a New York Times best selling author, columnist,
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  Speaker 2: and leading national political thought leader. And that's why he's
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  Speaker 2: on the show. He's the author of the New York Times
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  Speaker 2: and Washington Post bestselling Brown Is the New White How
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  Speaker 2: the Demographics Revolution has created a New American Majority. He's
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  Speaker 2: on the show to discuss his new book, How We
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  Speaker 2: Win the Civil War? How We Win the Civil War?
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  Speaker 2: Does that's our timely?
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  Speaker 1: I think so.
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  Speaker 2: The book is available for purchase in storage right now
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  Speaker 2: and online. Please welcome to the Money Making Conversations Masterclass,
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  Speaker 2: the one and only Steve Phillips.
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  Speaker 1: How you doing, Steve, I'm good, Thanks for having me on.
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  Speaker 1: Glad to be here. Good where you're.
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  Speaker 2: Based at, Steve, It's San Francisco, California. Okay, you're a
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  Speaker 2: West Coast guy. When when you hear West Coast, you
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  Speaker 2: hear you know, liberalism. You know, they they very want
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  Speaker 2: to want to protect the earth. You know, the electric
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  Speaker 2: car came out of there, you know they you know,
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  Speaker 2: uh right of the woman has the right, you know,
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  Speaker 2: ortions and all these things are favorably received in that
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  Speaker 2: part of the country. I'm in the South I'm born
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  Speaker 2: and raised in Houston, Texas. I now live in Georgia.
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  Speaker 2: I just want to give you that perspective because you're
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  Speaker 2: living in that environment. I'm living in this environment, so
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  Speaker 2: really being inundated by two different messages. So I think
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  Speaker 2: that's really going to help our conversation because I want
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  Speaker 2: to talk to you because in your book, I feel
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  Speaker 2: that it's necessary.
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  Speaker 1: The message you're trying to.
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  Speaker 2: Say is that there's a denial being happened out there,
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  Speaker 2: and that's happening out there because there is a white
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  Speaker 2: majority out there that really wants to keep status quote
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  Speaker 2: no matter what it may, and they've shown it January sixth,
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  Speaker 2: that violence is an option and they will use it.
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  Speaker 1: When you wrote this book, what is your perspective?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, very much so, And just so I don't fully
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  Speaker 3: get distorted in terms of my I live in San
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  Speaker 3: Francisco and I've been out here since I went to
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  Speaker 3: colleges and fully realized reading the Stanford Sure, but I
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  Speaker 3: grew up in Cleveland originally. My grandfather was a minister
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  Speaker 3: at Glenbooroe Church of God there. My nephew and his
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  Speaker 3: family live in Houston, and one of the states that
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  Speaker 3: we feature is Georgia in the book, Yes you Do,
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  Speaker 3: Yes and so Fundamental.
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  Speaker 1: I went to book for two reasons.
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  Speaker 3: One is I wanted to try to explain what is
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  Speaker 3: going on in US politics at this point in time
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  Speaker 3: in this country and to have people understand the intensity
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  Speaker 3: and the ferocity of the opposition and that there really
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  Speaker 3: are people. And the title How We Win the Civil
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  Speaker 3: War is I show try to show that the Confederates
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  Speaker 3: have never stopped fighting the actual Civil War, and they
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  Speaker 3: have not stopped the efforts to try to make this
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  Speaker 3: fundamentally a white country, and that that battle about whether
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  Speaker 3: it going to be a white country or a multi
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  Speaker 3: racial democracy continues to rage. It continues to rage most
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  Speaker 3: intensely in the South because that is where people, that
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  Speaker 3: is where slavery took place, That's where the majority of
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  Speaker 3: people of color, both af Americans and Latinos on large
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  Speaker 3: numbers of aass are. But it's also because of that,
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  Speaker 3: those are the areas that also for the most promise
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  Speaker 3: in terms of really being able to change this country
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  Speaker 3: and being able to make the kind of a society
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  Speaker 3: that we say that we want to have. And it
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  Speaker 3: is places exactly like Harris County, places like Georgia as
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  Speaker 3: well as Arizona Virginia that are on the cutting edge
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  Speaker 3: of this fight to make the country finally the multi
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  Speaker 3: racial democracy that it professes to be.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Steve, I didn't want to like to say that
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  Speaker 2: that that was you were born and raised in California.
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  Speaker 1: I apologize delivery.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just trying to set this conversation tone for right
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  Speaker 2: now present because it allows us to have a perspective
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  Speaker 2: what's going on, you know, in California and what's going
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  Speaker 2: on in Georgia, which is featured in the book. And
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  Speaker 2: I happen to be front and center, you know at
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  Speaker 2: the time this, uh, this interviews happening. You know, early
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  Speaker 2: election is starting for the Brian Kemp and the which
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  Speaker 2: is Stacy Abrams and then the Herschel Walker and Rafael
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  Speaker 2: Warnac for the Senate. See two highly contested things that
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  Speaker 2: are going on. This really can change the face of
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  Speaker 2: politics in this country on this date. Is also how
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  Speaker 2: it may happen in another states. Philadelphia is one of them.
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  Speaker 2: The other states out there as well. Texas is a
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  Speaker 2: central It's a totally different animal. And I lived there,
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  Speaker 2: my daughter went to school there, I graduated from there.
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  Speaker 2: That's a whole different conversation now when you talk about
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  Speaker 2: your perspective what's going on in California, when you sit
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  Speaker 2: down you see politics as they're being played out in California.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting because it's on both levels. And so
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  Speaker 3: on one level, California has been a breakthrough. And then
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  Speaker 3: my serious book, Ground is The New White. I talk
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  Speaker 3: about how California is an example of what is possible
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  Speaker 3: going from a state that was formerly very conservatives, the
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  Speaker 3: political birthplace of Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon, and had
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  Speaker 3: been the one of the the bastions of frankly pro
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  Speaker 3: white politics within this country, Whereagan got elected in the
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  Speaker 3: governor in nineteen sixty six by running out a platform
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  Speaker 3: of law and order in response to the urban rebellions
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  Speaker 3: in places like Watts and so that. But California has
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  Speaker 3: now gone through its own demographic revolution. There was actually
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  Speaker 3: a book by the author Jewel Taylor Gibbs called Preserving
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  Speaker 3: Privilege where she talks about the early nineties in California,
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  Speaker 3: and there was anti bilingal education, anti immigration, and anti
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  Speaker 3: three strikes legislation that all passed, which were all reactions
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  Speaker 3: to the changing diversity within the state. But we've gone
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  Speaker 3: through that now in California has an overall very progressive
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  Speaker 3: majority able to you know, I think Biden won by
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  Speaker 3: like thirty points here in California. Republican has on one
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  Speaker 3: statewide in twenty years. And so on the one hand,
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  Speaker 3: we are through that initial fight to say that yes,
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  Speaker 3: this should be a multiracial democracy, but then we're facing
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  Speaker 3: the next level of challenges now. And so we were
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  Speaker 3: like we still even an election and Biden when we
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  Speaker 3: did not pass about measure around and institutionalizing a for
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  Speaker 3: intive action in California. And then now there's a lot
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  Speaker 3: of controversy in Los Angeles where there's tensions between Latinos
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  Speaker 3: and African Americans about who's going to have which group
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  Speaker 3: is going to have more power. So the challenges of
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  Speaker 3: building multiracial unity are some of the things that we're
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  Speaker 3: confronting in California. But I do highlight the San Diego
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  Speaker 3: experience I think as a real model an example people
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  Speaker 3: from African Americans and Latinos doing civic engagement work to
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  Speaker 3: change the composition of that electorate, electing many more progressive people,
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  Speaker 3: passing progressive policies, moving more money to social services, and
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  Speaker 3: more socially progressive endeavors is an example of what we
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  Speaker 3: should be doing. But I think what California reflects is
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  Speaker 3: kind of this next level of challenge. Once you make
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  Speaker 3: some of these original breakthroughs.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for a responding like that. Sometimes, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I was born in an inner city. You know, six sisters,
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  Speaker 2: two brothers, a father was a truck driver for third
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  Speaker 2: grad education. So shotgun house, two bedroom, shotgun house. So
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  Speaker 2: that's where I was born. And so a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people perceive people where I was born like them, not us.
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  Speaker 2: And so that to me is always champions the inability
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  Speaker 2: to unite in communication. First of all, you know, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you section off who you don't want to be associated with,
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  Speaker 2: and it looked just like you, and then you worry
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  Speaker 2: about your crab in a barrel moment, I'm just trying
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  Speaker 2: to hold on to me, and so you start sectioning
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  Speaker 2: with a group of people who really don't care about
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  Speaker 2: you but need your participation so they can have power.
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  Speaker 2: And so that was a sick that I read from
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  Speaker 2: your book in the sense of I live in the
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  Speaker 2: state of Georgia, which flipped and now is trying to
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  Speaker 2: flip back. And I tell you right now, Steve, watching
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  Speaker 2: television is horrible. It is the the the you know,
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  Speaker 2: herschel Walker, his wife talking about, you know, putting the
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  Speaker 2: gun to his head.
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  Speaker 1: He's a liar. You know.
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  Speaker 2: You think back to Donald Trump. He was talking about
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  Speaker 2: grabbing women's private areas. Somehows like, oh, that's what he
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  Speaker 2: did in the past, that's not him today.
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  Speaker 1: What shifted that.
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  Speaker 2: When when moral content conduct didn't matter anymore in politics.
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  Speaker 3: Well, this is the point that I was, you know,
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  Speaker 3: trying to make it around. They're not playing by the
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  Speaker 3: same set of rules, and so if we were all
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  Speaker 3: in the same society and the same social contract and
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  Speaker 3: the same constitution, there would be some level of morality
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  Speaker 3: and shame and in consequence.
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  Speaker 1: But that's not what we're doing.
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  Speaker 3: And that's one of the most dangerous things of what
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  Speaker 3: Trump discovered is that he could get away with anything
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  Speaker 3: so long as he was seen as the champion of
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  Speaker 3: white people. And that I recently wrote a column about
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  Speaker 3: this in terms and for The Guardian in terms of
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  Speaker 3: Trump was pulling at four percent in the polls before
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  Speaker 3: he got into the presidential race back in May of
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  Speaker 3: twenty fifteen, when he started attacking Mexicans and starting sending
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  Speaker 3: the signal that he was going to be the champion
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  Speaker 3: and the defender of white people.
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  Speaker 1: He zoomed up in the polls right and.
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  Speaker 3: He became the front runner within a month, and obviously
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  Speaker 3: never looked back. And so what and then so he
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  Speaker 3: consistently found that the rules did not apply as long
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  Speaker 3: as the only rule was he continued championing whiteness, including
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  Speaker 3: ian national election where all fifty governors say you lost.
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  Speaker 1: You don't have to listen to that either.
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  Speaker 3: And so the herschel Walker's and his recruit in finding
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  Speaker 3: again somebody who has absolute zero qualifications to be in
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  Speaker 3: any the elected office, right alone in the United States Senate.
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  Speaker 3: But because he's the champion of the Trump wing of
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  Speaker 3: the country, they overlook everything.
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  Speaker 1: And that's one of the fundamental messages.
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  Speaker 3: I think that that is a reflection of the fact
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  Speaker 3: that we are, in fact, in a civil war. They're
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  Speaker 3: engaged in a civil war where that no rules matter
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  Speaker 3: except can they actually get power and advance their objectives?
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  Speaker 2: Wow, I'm speaking of Steve Phillips, New York Times best
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  Speaker 2: selling author of Brown is the New White. We're on
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  Speaker 2: the show today talking about how we can win the
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  Speaker 2: Civil War securing a multiracial democracy and an Indian white
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  Speaker 2: supremacy for good.
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  Speaker 1: I wish we could do that.
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  Speaker 2: I think that Indian white supremacy is so good because
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  Speaker 2: we don't back in the day.
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  Speaker 1: They were hoods back in the day, and they still
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  Speaker 1: do it.
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  Speaker 2: But there's another group of white supremacists who control social media,
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  Speaker 2: who drove banks, who've always done it, but blatantly doing it,
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  Speaker 2: and with social media kind of like flaunting it. We
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  Speaker 2: all know that through social media. One could say that
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  Speaker 2: that's how Donald Trump won his electorate. And I think
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  Speaker 2: that when you talk about the moment of Donald Trump
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  Speaker 2: and the whole Mexican migration to the Texas was when
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  Speaker 2: he flew down in the helicopter, landed and pointed, this
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  Speaker 2: is where I'm gonna build a wall. When he said
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  Speaker 2: that moment, that was one of the great moments of marketing,
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  Speaker 2: and that's when you know, but you cannot take away
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  Speaker 2: from Donald trug he's a marketing genius, and he went
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  Speaker 2: to marketing instead of running. He said, I'm gonna play
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  Speaker 2: on those different people. Now, I wanna switch to another
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  Speaker 2: more recent person who made a statement and not a
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  Speaker 2: major debate with a friend of mine, Stephen A. Smith,
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  Speaker 2: and he said that this moment that you talked about,
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  Speaker 2: President Biden says that we're in a battle for the
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  Speaker 2: soul of the nation. Biden specifically named and called out
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump and MAGA Republicans as the ones attacking our democracy.
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  Speaker 2: This was an important step in the right direction. I agree.
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  Speaker 2: I was excited that President Biden did that. He totally
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  Speaker 2: Steven A. Smith totally disagree. I felt it was time
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  Speaker 2: for the the Democratic Party to acknowledge there's a problem
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  Speaker 2: racism exists. I feel they've always said on the said
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  Speaker 2: on the satelline, going oh well it's me, It's all good,
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  Speaker 2: we can all get along.
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  Speaker 3: What are your thoughts, Well, I think what Biden did
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  Speaker 3: was absolutly correct and necessary and also not even going
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  Speaker 3: far enough right. So the introduction to the title of
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  Speaker 3: my book is titled a choice between Democracy and whiteness. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: and that that is drawn from a phrase that Taylor
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  Speaker 3: Taylor Branch, the author of the Party Party in the
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  Speaker 3: Waters series, said in reflection about the rise of white
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  Speaker 3: domestic terrorism during the Trump administration, and so that people
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  Speaker 3: would not stand for becoming a minority in their own country.
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  Speaker 3: The real question is, offered a choice between democracy and whiteness,
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  Speaker 3: how many.
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  Speaker 1: Would choose whiteness.
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  Speaker 3: And so it's very clear that Donald Trump and Tonanesee
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  Speaker 3: Coach has written eloquently about this in the Atlantic, is
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  Speaker 3: that the essence of Trump's power is whiteness. And this
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  Speaker 3: is and he continually displayed it throughout his administration defending
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  Speaker 3: the Confederates, talking about, you know, people of Congress with
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  Speaker 3: women of colors, go back where they came from, et cetera.
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  Speaker 1: And so.
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  Speaker 3: The country had a choice on January sixth between democracy
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  Speaker 3: and whiteness, and many people stormed the capital to stop democracy,
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  Speaker 3: and they stormed the Capitol to put in place this
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  Speaker 3: champion of white people. And that the majority of Republicans
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  Speaker 3: in the Congress actually supported that, and the vast majority
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  Speaker 3: of Republicans in the country support that. That's so that's
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  Speaker 3: what President Biden was talking about, was this grouping of
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  Speaker 3: people who did not subscribe to the constitution we have,
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  Speaker 3: and that is the battle for the soul of the nation.
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  Speaker 3: Are we going to be a white country? Are we
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  Speaker 3: going to be a multiracial nation? And it needs to
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  Speaker 3: be both called out and engaged. And the irony is
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  Speaker 3: that the way to maximize white support in the battle
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  Speaker 3: to make America multi racial country is to challenge and
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  Speaker 3: summon them to stand on the side of multiracial devices.
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  Speaker 3: And there have always been progressive whites who have been
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  Speaker 3: there throughout the years, but they've been a minority. They
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  Speaker 3: call it meaningful minority. But that's what Obama did when
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  Speaker 3: Obama gave this race speech in April two thousand and eight,
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  Speaker 3: where he said that racism is a real thing and
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  Speaker 3: it's an ongoing present piece. But then he challenged and
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  Speaker 3: inspired people to step up and to try to overcome it.
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  Speaker 3: And I feel like that's what President Biden was trying
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  Speaker 3: to do, and he's i think positioned to do it
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  Speaker 3: as a white person. But I definitely think that that
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  Speaker 3: is where we are at in this country.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, interesting in your book, you said the
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  Speaker 2: Civil War never ended, and I agree with that because
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  Speaker 2: I'm not comfortable with being black in this country. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not comfortable being a person of color in this country.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not comfortable with a police person stopping me in
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  Speaker 2: his country. I'm not comfortable just just mingling with white people.
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  Speaker 2: Are walking with a white woman and somebody thinking we're
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  Speaker 2: daity in this country. So how do you so you know,
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  Speaker 2: we like to see you know, white supremacy in But
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  Speaker 2: when can once start getting comfortable? I would ask you
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  Speaker 2: the question, Steve, you know, when do you one transition
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  Speaker 2: to the fact that they are not being judged by
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  Speaker 2: the color of their skin, because we do every day.
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  Speaker 2: As you know yourself, you're judged by the color of
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  Speaker 2: your skin. How do we get past that as a race?
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  Speaker 3: Well, that there's levels to it, and doctor King used
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  Speaker 3: to talk about that you can't legislate attitudes, but you
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  Speaker 3: can legislate behavior, and so I think that's the initial standpoint.
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  Speaker 3: So is really being able to build a multiracial majority
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  Speaker 3: that can take governing power and can create institutions which
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  Speaker 3: govern in the interest of the actual multia majority. That
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  Speaker 3: we have police forces that are about public safety for
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  Speaker 3: people of all races and not about confining and attacking
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  Speaker 3: black people, that have schools that are about educating all
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  Speaker 3: children of all races about the realities of this country
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  Speaker 3: and not whitewashing history. So when we get the positions
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  Speaker 3: of power through this multiracial majority, then governing in the
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  Speaker 3: interest of the society, it's probably Obama won. Obama had
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  Speaker 3: very little support from Republicans and the minority of support
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  Speaker 3: from whites, but he passed a healthcare bill which benefited everybody. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: and so that, I feel is a lot of what
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  Speaker 3: the way forward is.
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  Speaker 1: And then if we do, in fact also lean into.
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  Speaker 3: The education system and the content of the education, people
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  Speaker 3: understand the true nature of the history and the challenges
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  Speaker 3: we face in this country. All polls so that younger
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  Speaker 3: people are in fact more progressive by and large around
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  Speaker 3: these types of issues, and they're more diverse. The majority
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  Speaker 3: of people under eighteen are people of color, and.
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  Speaker 1: So that bodes well.
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  Speaker 3: But in this particular moment, we have to really engage
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  Speaker 3: to orient our society towards that population, which is a
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  Speaker 3: big part of whid was glad they did the debt
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  Speaker 3: relief piece for the student student loans part because that's
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  Speaker 3: a key population within this country that offers great hope
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  Speaker 3: for the future.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, the thing about it is that when
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  Speaker 2: you talk about white percent white supremacy, which they control
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  Speaker 2: the media, when the you know, the Obama passed the
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  Speaker 2: medical Relief program, it became the Obama Healthcare program, which
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  Speaker 2: means that the white supremacists made it a racial issue.
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  Speaker 1: They made it seem like it was.
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  Speaker 2: A black people were the only people benefiting from this,
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  Speaker 2: when the welfare program has always been seen as a
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  Speaker 2: program that only benefit minority of black people, as white
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  Speaker 2: supremacy work working behind the scenes on that, not acknowledging
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  Speaker 2: that it benefits the entire country. It seems that whenever
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  Speaker 2: there are programs that benefit all the white percent, white
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  Speaker 2: supremacy since organizations are working in the background and say, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but we won't tell everybody that, just make it just
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  Speaker 2: pro black.
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  Speaker 1: Just make it.
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  Speaker 2: Let's make the Obamacare just pro black. In fact, we're
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  Speaker 2: gonna put Obamacare, We're gonna put the name Obama attached
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  Speaker 2: to it. That make it really sound black. And then
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  Speaker 2: welfare system, let's make it black. So all these programs
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  Speaker 2: that get out there, you know, they have a good way.
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  Speaker 2: I'm talking about, the white supremacist that we're trying to end,
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  Speaker 2: have a good way of flipping the script and making
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  Speaker 2: it black. That is a hard problem to overcome when
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  Speaker 2: they have that much power.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's the battle level we're in that we're in
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  Speaker 3: this moment, We're in an existential fighter.
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  Speaker 1: Is this gonna be a white country or multiracial country?
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  Speaker 1: Are we going to? Which direction we're going to go?
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  Speaker 3: We had the first black president, yes, sir, That was
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  Speaker 3: then followed by one of the most pro white nationalist
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  Speaker 3: presidents that we've had in a long time.
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  Speaker 1: He was fortunately out. And so what direction are we
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  Speaker 1: going to go in?
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  Speaker 3: And that's the battle of this moment, that's really gonna
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  Speaker 3: be the battle of the twenty twenties, is that can
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  Speaker 3: we in fact enshrine this multiracial majority that exists in
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  Speaker 3: the country but doesn't yet necessarily have governing and political power.
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  Speaker 3: And that's why I wrote this book and try to
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  Speaker 3: send this message that we are in this fight, but
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  Speaker 3: we also have ways to win, that we are in
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  Speaker 3: fact the majority, and we are winning in places like
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  Speaker 3: Harris County, like Georgia, I like Arizona. And if we
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: look to those lessons and those leaders, people like Stacy Abrams,
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  Speaker 3: then we'll be able to make the type of progress
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  Speaker 3: we need to be able to win this fight.
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  Speaker 4: Masterclass with Rashaan McDonald.
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  Speaker 2: Let me I'm a hold as stay apnthrow. I'm talking
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  Speaker 2: to Steve Phillips how we win the Civil War?
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  Speaker 1: His book is incredible. Of reading an interview on.
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  Speaker 2: The show about this book, stay if Stacey aven because
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  Speaker 2: this interview will air prior to the midternem elections. If
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  Speaker 2: Stacey Averans loses, we have we lost in your mission
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  Speaker 2: to end the Civil War, or to end a win
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  Speaker 2: the Civil War, or to end white supremacy.
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  Speaker 1: If she loses, no, because this.
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  Speaker 3: Is a long term struggle, and so that we've been engaged,
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  Speaker 3: it's taken all of these different levels, and that we
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  Speaker 3: didn't have the right to vote, we didn't have the
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  Speaker 3: right to walk the streets free. And so Stacy's is
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  Speaker 3: the latest battle in this really four hundred year struggle
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  Speaker 3: for us to have democracy and freedom within this country.
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  Speaker 3: And she is all in many ways, Stacy has already
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  Speaker 3: won through the work that she did to transform the
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  Speaker 3: electorate that won the state for Biden and that elected
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  Speaker 3: War or Not and ASO, and transform the composition of
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  Speaker 3: the entire United States Senate in the United States Congress.
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  Speaker 3: That's Stacy's work, and so that work goes on regardless
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  Speaker 3: of what the specific results are.
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  Speaker 1: It is coming in November, and.
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  Speaker 3: That she is clearly one of the brightest, most courageous
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  Speaker 3: leaders that exist within the country, and she will continue
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  Speaker 3: to lead and continue to help us make progress whatever
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  Speaker 3: happens in November.
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  Speaker 2: This has been said that Steve that we are a
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  Speaker 2: two party country, Republican Democrat. You know, you got the
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: independence out there in the Libertarians, but.
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  Speaker 1: They don't really have power. All they do is kind
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: of like come in and make noise.
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  Speaker 2: They said that because we have a two party country,
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  Speaker 2: we are two party country Republican.
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  Speaker 1: That's the problem. That's the problem.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: You know, we make promises, they don't commit, especially Democrats,
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  Speaker 2: they have made promises after promises to black people and
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  Speaker 2: then they kind of like rescind those so they can
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  Speaker 2: hold on to the white vote. Is a two party
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  Speaker 2: system a major default in what you're trying to achieve
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  Speaker 2: and win into civil war.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's the party issue, and.
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  Speaker 3: That my political baptism was in the Rainbow Coalition days
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  Speaker 3: Jesse Jackson's campaign, where he was working in the context
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  Speaker 3: of the Democratic Party but I think that's a greater
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: reflection of what the coalition should be. It's rainbow coalition
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  Speaker 3: idea abou people of color, progressive whites. When the old
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: minorities come together, they comprise a new majority and can
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  Speaker 3: manifest that through whatever or whichever political party exists.
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  Speaker 1: So it's not.
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  Speaker 3: Fundamentally party as much as vision of what the country is.
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  Speaker 3: There is a party which thinks this is primarily a
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  Speaker 3: white country, and there's a party that thinks this is
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  Speaker 3: primarily a multi racial country. But I would argue they
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  Speaker 3: don't lean enough into that, which is what my work
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  Speaker 3: has been. But I think that there is the greatest
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  Speaker 3: potential there in the current structure, and it allows us
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  Speaker 3: to build the possibility to transform this country. And I
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  Speaker 3: don't think that's the party structure that's holding us back.
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  Speaker 3: It's participating in the electoral process where we still have
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: millions of people of color who are not voting. In fact,
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  Speaker 3: if and when we do, that's when we can have
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  Speaker 3: the greatest changes.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's what got the President of the Obama in
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  Speaker 2: office was when we all stepped to the player now.
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  Speaker 2: So President Biden got in the office, especially when he
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: named the vice president Kamala Harris as his running mate.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: And so those moments of you know, like I said,
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: you know, we see the way they alter voting laws,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: how they alter voting redistracting. All these things are done
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: when you have power. When we talk about Indian the
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Civil War, I talk about my color. I talk about
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: my child's color as she lives his life beyond there,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: if you have to say a couple of things, and
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: you say this in your book, and my goal when
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: I would do influential authors like that is not to
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: give away your book.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: I want them to buy your book.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: So I would like for the author to put into
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: words that would allow people to understand what you're trying
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: to say. Are we talking about one hundred years from now?
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Are we talk about two hundred years from now that.
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  Speaker 1: We have to live in this horrible life.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Of uncertainty where your color does matter, especially in racial situations.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: How does one win the civil war? Is it certain
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: pockets like in San Diego other identifiable cities there understand
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  Speaker 2: the value of racial harmony wins for everybody?
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  Speaker 1: How what is that timeline? Sir?
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  Speaker 3: I really believe that the twenty twenties are in fact
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: the key area in terms of what we're actually facing
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: and that this next four to five years are going
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: to be critical and that and we can we continue
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: the progress in the places like Texas, Georgia, Arizona. Can
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: we continue to flip places like Florida, North Carolina, which
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: are in fact possible, And if we do that, then
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: we will in fact be able to be far along
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  Speaker 3: on the road towards winning the Civil War.
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  Speaker 2: At one point, this country was ninety percent white. Now
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: I think that number is down to sixty percent. So
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: that only encourages white's supremacists to say, we have to
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: save ourselves, we have to protect our rights, we have
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: to carry our guns, we have to throw they say,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: not only fear mongerers, but white mongerers. They're holding on
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: to their place in line. And so as that number
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: keeps shrinking, I honestly believe this is my thoughts, is
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: that if something negative were to happen from the stand
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: from legally for Trump, he would only add more fuel
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  Speaker 2: to the fire. I really believed that he could lead
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: this country down a path of violence.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Am I overreacted to that?
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Steve or you said, Rashan, I hold my breath because
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: you may be right.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: You know, well, we already have.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: They already happened that they they stormed the United States Capital,
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: talked to the law enforcement officers, multiple people died and
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: so and then Trump was pleased with all that. So
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: there's absolutely that potential exists. But again, if we participate,
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: if we run, if we vote, if we win, if
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: we can control of our societal institutions, then we can
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  Speaker 3: enforce the laws. We can enforce equality in ways that
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: will move us forward.
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  Speaker 2: We know it's always like when you read a great
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: book Steve or how we win the Civil War, security
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  Speaker 2: and multiracial democracy and endiing white supremacy for good. That
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: means I got to go get the other book, Brown
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: is the New White, another one of your best sellers.
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  Speaker 2: I want to thank you for coming on money making conversations.
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  Speaker 2: Let me tell you the state. I'll do these interviews
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  Speaker 2: all the time. It feels like I've only been talking
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  Speaker 2: to you for five minutes. We're at twenty six minutes
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  Speaker 2: in counting. And this is not only your book is
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: the brilliant read, but the information that we are talking
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  Speaker 2: about is so riveting that the time just flies.
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  Speaker 1: And I hope that.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: We are able to create change with books like this,
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  Speaker 2: and I do believe what you're saying, and the time
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  Speaker 2: is now for us to start changing. The time is
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: now for us to be honest. And it only happens
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  Speaker 2: when authors like you, writers like you write on his books.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for writing this book, and thank you for
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