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DOJ Says SPLC Cashed In on 'Hate for Sale' & Weaponized Activism · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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  Speaker 1: The MBI director Cash Pttel is now really explaining how
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  Speaker 1: corrupt the Southern Poverty Law Center actually is. We also
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  Speaker 1: know now that the Southern Property Law Center had a
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  Speaker 1: hit list of conservatives and gave locations of where the
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  Speaker 1: top conservatives they hated lived. The FBI director going on
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  Speaker 1: Sean Hannity's show saying this about who they really are
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  Speaker 1: and following the money.
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  Speaker 2: Money doesn't lie. The charity that supposedly fought the clan
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  Speaker 2: funded the clan. The charity that supposedly fought Nazis funded
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  Speaker 2: Neo Nazis. The Southern Poverty Law Center ran a methodical,
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  Speaker 2: calculated scheme to defraud their donor base of three million
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  Speaker 2: dollars and lied to them and used an illicit banking
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  Speaker 2: structure system to create shell companies to hide their money
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  Speaker 2: and who it was being sent to, specifically for the
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  Speaker 2: reason to sow discord and hate into our society. This
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  Speaker 2: is the ultimate definition of hypocrisy, and if you look
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  Speaker 2: at the indictment produced by the Department of Justice and
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  Speaker 2: the FBI, you will see that these banking institutions tied
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  Speaker 2: directly the funding mechanisms in which the Southern Poverty Law
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  Speaker 2: Center used to fund at least eight hate groups they
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  Speaker 2: supposedly wanted to take out, but they were paying the
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  Speaker 2: very villains of our society they supposedly wanted to protect
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  Speaker 2: us from. That's the ultimate hypocrisy.
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  Speaker 1: You'll listen to Cashptel and he's absolutely right these people.
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  Speaker 1: This charity that was supposedly supposed to be fighting neo
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  Speaker 1: Nazis was funding the Neo Nazis. The charity that was
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  Speaker 1: supposed to fight the Klulux Klan was actually funding the
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  Speaker 1: klu Klux Klan. That obviously is a massive problem, and
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  Speaker 1: that is exactly why the indictments have come down.
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  Speaker 1: also reporting this that the Left is Southern Poverty Law
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  Speaker 1: Center's former head Margaret Hag weaponized the group against Conservatives. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this's now coming as well from the New York Posts. Now,
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  Speaker 1: this report comes after the DOJ on Tuesday charge the
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  Speaker 1: organization with not only fraud but also money laundering, and
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  Speaker 1: it linked them to violent extremist groups. Now, the Southern
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  Speaker 1: Property Law Center's former boss took over in twenty twenty,
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  Speaker 1: after which the organization took on a more partisan tone.
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  Speaker 1: Is how the Post described it, saying this and a
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  Speaker 1: piece published last year claimed that hard right extremist groups
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  Speaker 1: have steadily penetrated American life, politics, and government since President
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  Speaker 1: Trump's twenty sixteen election, arguing his second White House run
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  Speaker 1: gave them an ally in the highest office in the nation.
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  Speaker 1: What was once considered a fringe agenda in the modern
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  Speaker 1: era is the blueprint from which the country's president and
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  Speaker 1: the MAGA movement is operating. She blasted an article for
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  Speaker 1: The Daily Costs warning that the hard right that would
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  Speaker 1: be you and I is muscling its way into schools
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  Speaker 1: and libraries that, of course, the left have already taken over.
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  Speaker 1: The Southern Poverty Law Center targeted conservative groups known as
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  Speaker 1: Turning Point USA, Charlie Kirk's group that he founded in
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, we now have learned by putting it
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  Speaker 1: on a hate map with KKK chapters. Turning Point USA
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  Speaker 1: founder Charlie Kirk, who was brutally assassinated at that Utah
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  Speaker 1: speaking engagement in September of twenty twenty five, I've reacted
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  Speaker 1: to the move in a social media post, calling it
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  Speaker 1: a cheap smear from a washed up organization that's been
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  Speaker 1: fleecing scared grandmas for decades now. The indictment against Southern
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  Speaker 1: Poverty Law Center also comes after Kirk, for many years
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  Speaker 1: said its hate group designation targeted conservatives as well as Christians,
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  Speaker 1: purnal rights activists, and his organization. Now we know from
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  Speaker 1: all of the indictment that that is exactly true. During
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  Speaker 1: December twenty twenty five testimony before the House Judiciary Committee,
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  Speaker 1: Turning Point executive vice president Stay that Kirk had worn
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  Speaker 1: three months before his assassination that the Southern Poverty Law
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  Speaker 1: Center's designation of Turning Point USA on its hate map
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  Speaker 1: would place the organization in the crosshairs. They also told
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  Speaker 1: lawmakers that the warning proved prophetic after Kirk was assassinated
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  Speaker 1: at Utah University in September of the same year. In
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  Speaker 1: announcing this indictment on Tuesday, the FBI director said the
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  Speaker 1: charges against the organization included major crimes, wire fraud, false
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  Speaker 1: statements to federally insured bank, and conspiracy to commit concealment
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  Speaker 1: of money laundering. The Southern Propaty Law Center allegedly engaged
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  Speaker 1: in a massive fraud operation to deceive their donors. They
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  Speaker 1: also enriched themselves and hit their deceptive operations from the public.
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  Speaker 3: They also lied to.
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  Speaker 1: Their donors vowing to dismantle violent extremist groups, when in
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  Speaker 1: actually what they were doing was turning around to pay
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  Speaker 1: the leaders of those very extremist groups, even utilizing the
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  Speaker 1: funds to have these groups facilitate the commission of state
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  Speaker 1: and federal crimes. That is illegal, and this is an
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  Speaker 1: ongoing investigation against all individuals, is what the FBI said.
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  Speaker 1: What's also interesting is how much much money these leaders
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  Speaker 1: were making. The Post of the time noted that the
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  Speaker 1: woman in charge was compensated more than a half a
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  Speaker 1: million dollars in twenty twenty three alone, adding she was
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  Speaker 1: removed in July after huge layoffs and is now a
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  Speaker 1: senior advisor at the Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights.
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  Speaker 1: Still in the game, still slandering conservatives and putting them
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  Speaker 1: on hit lists now. It's also been exposed as well
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  Speaker 1: that this organization, the Southern Poverty Law Center, paid an
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  Speaker 1: informant at the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville and
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  Speaker 1: didn't just tip the Southern Propaty Law Center off the
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  Speaker 1: Southern Popty Law Center supervised his racist postings and helped
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  Speaker 1: coordinate transportation, boosting the white nationalists side. The Southern Propaty
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  Speaker 1: Law Center paid him two hundred and seventy thousand dollars
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  Speaker 1: between twenty fifteen and twenty twenty three, showing that this
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  Speaker 1: was a law long term business plan. The F thirty
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  Speaker 1: seven was a member of the online leadership chat group
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  Speaker 1: that planned the twenty seventeen Unite the Right event in Charlottesville, Virginia,
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  Speaker 1: and attend the event at the direction of the Southern
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  Speaker 1: Poverty Law Center. Not to be clear, this is an
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  Speaker 1: individual that the Southern Poverty Law Center says they're fighting against,
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  Speaker 1: and they were actually organizing his travel. The F thirty
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  Speaker 1: seven and the indictment made racist postings under the supervision
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  Speaker 1: of the Southern Poverty Law Center and helped coordinate transportation
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  Speaker 1: to the event for several attendees as well, paying him
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  Speaker 1: more than two hundred and seventy thousand dollars. Tyler O'Neal
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  Speaker 1: tweeted this. The Southern Poverty Law Center paid a neo
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  Speaker 1: Nazi leader more than one million dollars between twenty fourteen
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  Speaker 1: and twenty twenty three. This story is familiar to me
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  Speaker 1: because it involves the case of Glenn Keith Allen, because
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  Speaker 1: the Southern Poverty Law Center used the stolen documents to
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  Speaker 1: literally destroy his repute. Tyler and Neil went on to say,
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  Speaker 1: not only did they pay the Imperial Wizard of the
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  Speaker 1: United Clans of America a rebirth of a group the
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  Speaker 1: Southern Propaty Lassner sued into bankruptcy in the Michael Donald case,
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  Speaker 1: but they actually said no, no, no, We'll rebirth it and
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  Speaker 1: make them have even more money. Yes, an American Nazi
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  Speaker 1: received three hundred thousand dollars from the Southern Poverty Law
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  Speaker 1: Group from twenty fourteen to twenty twenty seven. This is
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  Speaker 1: all what happens when you follow the money, and what
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  Speaker 1: we're witnessing right now is one of the Democrats' most
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  Speaker 1: important organizations that they use in this country to divide
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  Speaker 1: the nation. Well, in fact, what they were really doing
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  Speaker 1: is they were going after conservatives and paying the extremists
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  Speaker 1: they claimed they were actually trying to get rid of
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  Speaker 1: all Right, so a lot of you are obviously thinking
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  Speaker 1: the same thing that I am, Like, hey, is this
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  Speaker 1: really going to turn into like people getting indicted or
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  Speaker 1: people getting fired, or the Southern Poverty Law Center being
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  Speaker 1: shut down.
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  Speaker 3: What is Washington d C. Going to do?
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  Speaker 1: And is there things that can happen on Capitol Hill.
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  Speaker 1: Well I sat down with Center Cruz to talk about
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  Speaker 1: exactly all of those questions, and here's what you had
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  Speaker 1: to say. All right, Senator, So let's get into the
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  Speaker 1: Southern Poverty Laws Center. It was, let's just be clear,
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  Speaker 1: a group that was supposed to stop the klu Klex Klan,
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  Speaker 1: but instead they decided to fund the klu Klex Klan.
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  Speaker 1: That was just one of the many, like bigoted racist
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  Speaker 1: groups that they decided to actually raise money from people
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  Speaker 1: claiming we're trying to stop hate while actually funding the hate,
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  Speaker 1: so they can then raise money off of the funding
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  Speaker 1: of the hate and get a return on their investment.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a Ponzi scheme. You can't make it up.
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  Speaker 4: This story is one of the most astonishing stories. So
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  Speaker 4: the Southern Poverty Law Center has made a business for decades,
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  Speaker 4: a business convincing people, convincing liberals, convincing American corporations, convincing
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  Speaker 4: just ordinary Americans that they're these vicious racists in America
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  Speaker 4: that need to be fought and their business and understand,
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  Speaker 4: the Southern Poverty Law Center raised hundreds of millions of
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  Speaker 4: dollars to fight these racists. What happened this week The
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  Speaker 4: Department of Justice indicted them, indicted them for money laundry
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  Speaker 4: and the evidence. I could not have made this up.
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  Speaker 4: The Southern Poverty Law Center was funding the very bigots
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  Speaker 4: and racists that they claimed to be fighting. So, for example,
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  Speaker 4: here's the story in the Daily Signal, the SPLC was
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  Speaker 4: paying the Ku Kluxklan. Doj indictment claims the Southern Poverty
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  Speaker 4: Law Center has raised money for decades claiming to dismantle
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  Speaker 4: white supremacy, but it funneled millions of dollars. Let me
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  Speaker 4: repeat that, millions of dollars to white nationalist groups, including
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  Speaker 4: the Ku Klux Klan. According to the federal indictment handed
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  Speaker 4: down Tuesday, the SPLC claims it was funding informants inside
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  Speaker 4: the extremist groups. While the SPLC quote purports to fight
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  Speaker 4: white supremacy and racial hatred, Acting Attorney General Todd Blanche
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  Speaker 4: said a press conference quote the SPLC was not dismantling
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  Speaker 4: those groups, It was instead manufacturing the extremism it purports
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  Speaker 4: to oppose. Blanche highlighted one example from the indictment where
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  Speaker 4: the SPLC paid a member of the leadership group that
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  Speaker 4: planned the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia in
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  Speaker 4: twenty seventeen. It is stunning liberals funding bigots in order
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  Speaker 4: to raise money to fight the bigotry they're funding.
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  Speaker 1: There was a lot in the indictment that came out,
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  Speaker 1: but there's one theme that casht Rettel made very clear
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  Speaker 1: as he was on John Handy's show. He made it
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  Speaker 1: real simple what this is about and why they were indicted.
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  Speaker 3: Here is I Cash Hotel. In his own words, money
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  Speaker 3: doesn't lie.
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  Speaker 2: The charity that supposedly fought the clan funded the clan.
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  Speaker 2: The charity that supposedly fought Nazis funded neo Nazis. The
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  Speaker 2: Southern Poverty Law Center ran a methodical, calculated scheme to
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  Speaker 2: defraud their donor base of three million dollars and lied
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  Speaker 2: to them and used an illicit banking structure system to
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  Speaker 2: create shell companies to hide their money and who it
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  Speaker 2: was being sent to, specifically for the reason to sow
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  Speaker 2: discord and hate into our society. This is the ultimate
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  Speaker 2: definition of hypocrisy. And if you look at the indictment
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  Speaker 2: produced by the Department of Justice and the FBI, you
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  Speaker 2: will see that these banking institutions tied directly the funding
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  Speaker 2: mechanisms in which the Southern Poverty Law Center used to
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  Speaker 2: fund at least eight hate groups they supposedly wanted to
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  Speaker 2: take out, but they were paying the very villains of
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  Speaker 2: our society they supposedly want to to protect us from.
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  Speaker 2: That's the ultimate hypocrisy.
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  Speaker 1: But by the way, one of the things that I
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  Speaker 1: think is really interesting about this is there were warning
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  Speaker 1: signs for like quite some time. John Stossel back in
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  Speaker 1: January sixteenth to twenty eighteen, he did an expose on
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  Speaker 1: warning Americans about the Southern Popy Law Center and how
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  Speaker 1: it used to have like an in theory, like a
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  Speaker 1: good theme. It used to be about, hey, we find
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  Speaker 1: hate groups, and we name them, and we expose them
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  Speaker 1: and we out them. And then it just turned into
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  Speaker 1: a radical left organization where Democrats could throw their money,
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  Speaker 1: and when they threw their money in there, it would
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  Speaker 1: just basically attack conservatives and anybody on the hit list,
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  Speaker 1: which turned into by the way, turning point USA, it
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  Speaker 1: turned into Christian groups as well, groups that they named
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  Speaker 1: individuals like Laura Ingram for example, as one of those
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  Speaker 1: threats to America through the Southern poplic Laws ARM. Mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's they were doing that back in twenty six.
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  Speaker 4: Well, and look it was not just liberals that were
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  Speaker 4: funding them, it was corporate America that they did an
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  Speaker 4: amazing job of extracting millions of dollars from giant corporations.
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  Speaker 4: And they'd say, look, we're going to fight hate and
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  Speaker 4: we're going to fight extremism. And they were rapidly partisan.
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  Speaker 4: They attacked conservatives. We knew that. But the latest piece
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  Speaker 4: of this indictment I got to say a week ago, Ben,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know about you. Did you have on your
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  Speaker 4: BINGO card the Southern Publicly Law Center funding, the KKK
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  Speaker 4: funding the Nazis. No, Like there's a level of cynicism.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And the donations or corporate donations like Apple, Tim Cook
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  Speaker 1: a million bucks, JP Morgan a million bucks, JP Morgan
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  Speaker 1: half a million, MGM Resorts a million, like they were
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  Speaker 1: Corporate America was giving money to them the same way
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  Speaker 1: they did to Black Lives Matter for example. It was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this is just something we got to check a box. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: what do you need, will write you the check, and
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  Speaker 1: they had unlimited funds. Come again and then they used
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  Speaker 1: it to again come after conservative and Christian organizations.
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  Speaker 4: And understand the charges here. The indictment charges the SPLC
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  Speaker 4: with six counts of wire fraud aiming to obtain money
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  Speaker 4: via donations through materially false false representation and omissions about
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  Speaker 4: what the donated funds would be used for. It charges
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  Speaker 4: the SPLC with four counts of false statements to a
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  Speaker 4: federally insured bank by creating accounts for fictitious entities to
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  Speaker 4: funnel the money. Finally, it charges the SPLC with one
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  Speaker 4: count of conspiracy to commit concealment of money laundry. The
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  Speaker 4: Justice Department indictment claims the SPLC directed more than one
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  Speaker 4: million dollars to an affiliate of the National Alliance, more
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  Speaker 4: than three hundred thousand dollars to an affiliate of the
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  Speaker 4: Area Nations, more than two hundred and seventy thousand dollars
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  Speaker 4: to a member of the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville,
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  Speaker 4: Virginia in twenty seventeen, more than one hundred and forty
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  Speaker 4: thousand dollars to a former chairman of the National Alliance,
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  Speaker 4: more than seventy three one thousand dollars to a former
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  Speaker 4: ku Klux Klan members, and more than nineteen thousand dollars
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  Speaker 4: to the president of the American Front. This was shameless
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  Speaker 4: and it was massive cash. Pttel said. The FBI's investigation
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  Speaker 4: revealed that the funds were used to facilitate the commission
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  Speaker 4: of further state and federal offenses, totaling more than three
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  Speaker 4: million dollars. The magnitude of this, the depravity of this,
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  Speaker 4: it's staggering.
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  Speaker 1: I want to play Stolesel. He did this again January sixteen,
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  Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. He was warning the country about the Southern
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  Speaker 1: Propaty Law Center years ago, saying they have lost their way.
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  Speaker 1: They are not what they say they are. Take a
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  Speaker 1: listen to him, exposing him back in the day.
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  Speaker 5: There are dangerous hate groups in America.
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  Speaker 3: Who will warn us about them? The media have an answer.
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  Speaker 2: The Southern Poverty Law Center, the Southern Poverty Law Center.
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  Speaker 5: The Southern Poverty Law Center, based in that building in Alabama,
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  Speaker 5: calls itself the premier group monitoring hate groups.
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  Speaker 3: Looking at their map of.
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  Speaker 5: Such groups, he'd think America was consumed by hate. I
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  Speaker 5: once believed in the Center's mission while meeting people still
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  Speaker 5: do Apple just gave them a million dollars. But what
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  Speaker 5: donors don't know is that today the Center smears people
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  Speaker 5: who don't deserve to be.
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  Speaker 3: Smeared the presence of radical Islam.
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  Speaker 5: This woman grew up in Somalia suffered female genital mutilation,
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  Speaker 5: so now she speaks out against radical Islam. For that,
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  Speaker 5: the Center put her.
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  Speaker 3: On its list. Multiculturalism failed these communities.
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  Speaker 5: This man was once an Islamic extremist, but then he
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  Speaker 5: decided radical Islam was wrong, and now he criticizes the
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  Speaker 5: radical The Center labels him an anti Muslim extremist.
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  Speaker 3: Too. Join the fight against hate and bigotry. Visit Sblcenter
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  Speaker 3: dot org.
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  Speaker 5: I do think that we have a problem with hate
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  Speaker 5: in this country.
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  Speaker 4: We put about ten of these major hay groups out
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  Speaker 4: of business.
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  Speaker 5: The Center's leaders, Richard Cohen and Morris D's would not
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  Speaker 5: talk to me, so commentator Nomiki Kant stepped up to
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  Speaker 5: defend them.
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  Speaker 4: They had a history, a long history of fighting against
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  Speaker 4: extremists like the KKK.
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  Speaker 5: Years ago, Harper's magazine reported that the Center's the wealthiest
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  Speaker 5: civil rights group in America, one that spent most of
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  Speaker 5: its time and money on a fundraising campaign. Now, Morris
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  Speaker 5: D's did once promise to stop fundraising once his adowment
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  Speaker 5: hit fifty five million dollars, but when he reached fifty
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  Speaker 5: five million, he changed that to one hundred million, saying
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  Speaker 5: that would allow them to cease costly fundraising. But when
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  Speaker 5: they reached one hundred million, they didn't stop.
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  Speaker 4: Today they have an endow that now is over three
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  Speaker 4: hundred and twenty million dollars, much of which is an
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  Speaker 4: offshore counts Caymans and places like that. And how do
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  Speaker 4: you know, oh that we look at their nine nineties and.
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  Speaker 3: It says Cayman Islands.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, they pay some of their people more than four
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  Speaker 5: hundred thousand years.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you know it's twenty seventeen.
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  Speaker 3: It's twenty seventeen.
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  Speaker 1: So we're just raising as much money from the left
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  Speaker 1: in corporate America.
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  Speaker 3: As we can.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Oz working obviously with President Donald Trump to put
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  Speaker 1: all fifty governors now on notice. Why'm over literally billions
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  Speaker 1: of dollars loss to medicaid fraud. Not only is he
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  Speaker 1: putting them on notice, but he's giving the governors now
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  Speaker 1: ten days to verify provider enrollment data. After officials were
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  Speaker 1: able to easily identify more than a billion in unaccounted
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  Speaker 1: for funds. Now, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services CMS,
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  Speaker 1: the administrator in charge, Doctor Oz said he's no longer
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  Speaker 1: going to allow this to work the way that it's
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  Speaker 1: been working in the past, putting all state leaders that
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  Speaker 1: includes Republican governors, on notice that they better root out
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  Speaker 1: the rampant fraud in each of their states. He directed
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  Speaker 1: them in this letter on Thursday, to take immediate action
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  Speaker 1: within days to identify and to remove non compliant Medicaid providers,
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  Speaker 1: saying this corrupt individuals and organizations masquer rating as healthcare
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  Speaker 1: providers are defrauding Medicaid and American taxpayers of billions of
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  Speaker 1: dollars each year, placing valuable resources out of reach for
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  Speaker 1: those the program was truly intended to serve. Doctor Oz
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  Speaker 1: went on to say low income, senior citizens and disabled individuals,
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  Speaker 1: classes of providers with less rigorous enrollment standards, are the problem.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Oz, in the letter also went on to say
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  Speaker 1: that all of the nation's fifty governors must comply. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Oz has said, you've got ten business days, in other words,
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  Speaker 1: two weeks to tell CMS whether they will commit to
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  Speaker 1: conducting a swift revalidation of high risks Medicaid providers and
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  Speaker 1: provide a proposed timetable alongside a separate thirty day deadline
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  Speaker 1: for a broader provider revalidation strategy, escalating federal pressure on
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  Speaker 1: each state to tighten anti fraud enforcement. What is very
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  Speaker 1: clear from what doctor Oz has said is this is
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  Speaker 1: not just a liberal state problem any longer. There probably
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  Speaker 1: is major fraud in every state in America. Oz said
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  Speaker 1: it is urgent that the action be taken immediately, and failure,
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  Speaker 1: he says, to commit to the revalidation plan will be
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  Speaker 1: considered as we evaluate the likelihood of fraud in each
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  Speaker 1: state moving forward. Now, states must also submit within thirty
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  Speaker 1: days a broader two year strategy outlining how they will
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  Speaker 1: review healthcare providers for legitimacy as well as compliance. The
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  Speaker 1: letter sent to the fifty governors all contain the same
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  Speaker 1: information directions. No one got one letter different than another,
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  Speaker 1: and even states that we know have been actively working
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  Speaker 1: to root out fraud are still on notice across the board.
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  Speaker 1: While the factors contributing to fraud are multifaceted and require
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  Speaker 1: a comprehensive approach to address, doctor OZ wrote, a revalidation
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  Speaker 1: process for the high risk providers will immediately deter criminal
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  Speaker 1: actors from continuing their fraud schemes as the federal and
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  Speaker 1: state governments closely review and scrutinize the qualifications of providers
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  Speaker 1: to suspend or terminate clearly abuse of actors from the
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  Speaker 1: program now. These letters target providers that are described as
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  Speaker 1: high risk of waste, fraud, abuse and corruption, particularly those
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  Speaker 1: with less rigorous enrollment and billing requirements, with CMS directing
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  Speaker 1: those states to include any provider operating without a National
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  Speaker 1: Provider identifier now.
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  Speaker 3: A second letter was also sent out.
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  Speaker 1: To each state's Medicaid director reiterating the call for a
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  Speaker 1: revalidation strategy tailored to each state individually, saying this, our
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  Speaker 1: analysis of national trends strongly suggests a persistent and growing
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  Speaker 1: medicaid threat that is posed by sophisticated actors no exploiting
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  Speaker 1: these complex systems to financial gain. Now, their proposals must
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  Speaker 1: include a methodology and a timeline for off cycle provider revalidation,
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  Speaker 1: with an emphasis, they say, on high risk providers and
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  Speaker 1: those without the MPIs metrics to measure effectiveness in progress,
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  Speaker 1: including public reporting processes for ongoing verification of provider information
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  Speaker 1: and strategies, they say, to ensure consistency and accuracy of
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  Speaker 1: provider data across fee for service and managed care systems.
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  Speaker 1: They say, including oversight of managed care directories and coordination
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  Speaker 1: with relevant law enforcement partners. Now, the last part of
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  Speaker 1: that statement is what matters to you as a taxpayer?
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  Speaker 1: Relevant law enforcement partners? Coordination? Why do they say that, Well,
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  Speaker 1: it's very clear medicated fraud has been a particular interest
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  Speaker 1: to the Trump administration given the massive fraud scandals that
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  Speaker 1: we've already witnessed in Minnesota and California, and this push
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  Speaker 1: for every state now comes a bit heightened focus on
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  Speaker 1: these large scale fraud cases that included the two hundred
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  Speaker 1: and fifty million, for example, for Feeding our Future scheme,
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  Speaker 1: which became a national flashpoint after servicing in twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: two and has led to a wave of convictions in
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  Speaker 1: recent years. Now, a separate state commission review of Minnesota's
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  Speaker 1: Medicare program this year identified vulnerabilities across fourteen high risk
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  Speaker 1: services and estimated that up to one point seven billion
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  Speaker 1: in payments over four years were probably improper. Findings that
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  Speaker 1: have intensified federal scrutinies and calls for even more reforms.
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  Speaker 1: Now you also asked the question, how the hell do
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  Speaker 1: we send one point seven billion in payments to fraud
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  Speaker 1: in one state. Clearly these numbers were outside the norms
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  Speaker 1: for the nation. And this is why, you know the
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  Speaker 1: Democrats deliberately look the other way. Why would they do
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  Speaker 1: it because the same fraudsers that were stealing your tax
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  Speaker 1: dollars were giving some of that money back in campaign contributions,
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  Speaker 1: aid in support to liberals that were elected officials. Now
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  Speaker 1: we also are learning this CMS is also weighing medicaid
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  Speaker 1: deferrals in states including California and New York and Maine,
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  Speaker 1: signaling potential legal battles as federal and state officials are
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  Speaker 1: now clashing over enforcement that's not being done by many
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  Speaker 1: radicals on the left. Now, this goes back to one
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  Speaker 1: of the core points from President Trump's campaign. He was
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  Speaker 1: going to root out waste, fraud, and abuse. And what
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  Speaker 1: we're witnessing right now is it's not just liberal states
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  Speaker 1: where they're focusing. This is now a mandate to every
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  Speaker 1: governor of every state because what they they realize is
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  Speaker 1: there are too many bad actors out there, many of
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  Speaker 1: them may be committing fraud in conservative states, and that's
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  Speaker 1: exactly why the President and doctor Oz are now using
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  Speaker 1: law enforcement and the power of the purse to say
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  Speaker 1: you want federal dollars, you better be in compliance. Don't
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