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Lurie Daniel Favors, Interim Executive Director at the Center for Law and Social Justice · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversations. I am your host from
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Speaker 1: Sean McDonald. It is important to understand that everybody travels
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Speaker 1: a different path to success. That's because your brand is different,
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Speaker 1: to you because they travel a different path to get there.
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Speaker 1: because their stories can offer you direction and also a plan.
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Speaker 1: But it has to be your plan in order to
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Speaker 1: get there. It has to be through your committed effort
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Speaker 1: and again your planning. My next guest, as a planner
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Speaker 1: at Activists, sees a lot of the more importantly. Luie
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Speaker 1: Daniel Favors is on my show. Luis Daniel Favors as
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Speaker 1: an activist, radio host, author, and attorney with a longstanding
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Speaker 1: commitment to racial and social justice. She currently serves as
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Speaker 1: an interim Executive director at the Center for Law and
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Speaker 1: Social Justice. There's a lot going on today, y'all, from
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Speaker 1: politics to economics and social civil and civil unrest on
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Speaker 1: both sides. I'd like to believe Attorney Favorites is on
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Speaker 1: my show to talk about it and the upcoming inauguration.
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Speaker 1: Please welcome to Money Making Conversation, Larie Daniel Favors. Did
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Speaker 1: I get it that correctly? You did, sir, you did, indeed,
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Speaker 1: and thank you so much for having me. It's an
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Speaker 1: honor to be here. Well printed. First of all, you know,
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Speaker 1: knowing your schedule, knowing your background, let's let's let's get
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Speaker 1: it into your background, because I'd always like to tell people,
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Speaker 1: you know, you you're are a radio host, so you
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Speaker 1: a lot of time of serious ExM. Your voice is
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Speaker 1: over there. What what direction do you want to take
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Speaker 1: your career? And all your brain? You know, it's interesting.
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Speaker 1: I remember when I was a little girl, I actually
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Speaker 1: wanted to be a doctor. I had no interest in
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Speaker 1: the law whatsoever. And I had this dream that I
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Speaker 1: was going to be I was gonna deliver babies for
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Speaker 1: communities that I wanted to live in Black communities largely,
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Speaker 1: and I planned on having a clinic where I would
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Speaker 1: deliver the babies of the mothers. The mothers would enroll
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Speaker 1: their children into classes that I had I was going
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Speaker 1: to have at this clinic, and then the mothers would
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Speaker 1: work in the clinic with me and we would create
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Speaker 1: in my seven year eight year old mine. I was
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Speaker 1: literally trying to think of a cooperative health care service
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Speaker 1: that was going to be able to meet the needs
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Speaker 1: of people in my community. I stuck with that dream
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Speaker 1: for a really long time. And I'm gen x uh
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Speaker 1: and I grew up in a time where girls not
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Speaker 1: being good at math and science was still kind of
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Speaker 1: a thing. Like we didn't have doc m stuffins when
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Speaker 1: I was little. My daughter has that now her her
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Speaker 1: possibilities are completely wide open. And as a result of that,
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Speaker 1: I did not get along well with math or science,
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Speaker 1: and so I realized that, uh, the doctor Ringfield was
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Speaker 1: probably not going to be where I ended up staying
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Speaker 1: in the medical community. Um. When I was seventeen years old,
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Speaker 1: one of my uncles took me to hear a civil
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Speaker 1: rights speaker, an attorney all tomatics, and I believe it
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Speaker 1: was at the Slave Theater in New York City, and
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Speaker 1: I was completely enraptured with everything that this man had
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Speaker 1: to say. He was speaking a lot of truth to fire.
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Speaker 1: He was speaking to all of the issues that I
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Speaker 1: cared about. You know, my my parents raised me to
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Speaker 1: be very um engaged with what was happening in our community.
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Speaker 1: You know, loving black people proactively was really a part
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Speaker 1: of my education as a child. UM. And when I
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Speaker 1: heard him speak, I said, Okay, I'm gonna have to
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Speaker 1: let go of this clinic idea because Matthew Stein and
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Speaker 1: I'm not getting the law. I'm going to law school
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Speaker 1: and I'm going to use the law to make black
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Speaker 1: people's lives better in some way, shape or form. And
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Speaker 1: That's sort of the track and the trajectory that I've
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Speaker 1: been on ever since I've been engaged in community activism
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Speaker 1: since my days in college. My friends and I put
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Speaker 1: together an organization that you know, decades later, are still
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Speaker 1: in existence. And as far as where I want my
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Speaker 1: career to go, I definitely see it on that path,
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Speaker 1: using my my passion, using my training as an attorney
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Speaker 1: UM and as someone who has an expertise in racial justice,
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Speaker 1: to really create an environment and an opportunity to where
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Speaker 1: we are setting our own tables. We were able to
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Speaker 1: bring our own chairs, prepare our own food, and then
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Speaker 1: we can invite other people to our table instead of
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Speaker 1: needing to constantly feel as that we have to be
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Speaker 1: invited to someone else's So that's you know, I don't
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Speaker 1: know what that means in terms of next moves I
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Speaker 1: would make politically or are professionally, but that's certainly the
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Speaker 1: trajectory I see myself on. Well. First of all, my
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Speaker 1: degree is in mathematics, so you know, just let you
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Speaker 1: know that, don't beat me up. And my minor is
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Speaker 1: very similar to yours in sociology because I have a
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Speaker 1: strong ephasis in African American studies, and I tell everybody,
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Speaker 1: if I had to do it all over again, I
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Speaker 1: would minor the sociology because African American studies changing my
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Speaker 1: life because I realized what what was school is really
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Speaker 1: a farce because they don't teach you or tell you
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Speaker 1: the true reality. And that's why Confederate flags are cool
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Speaker 1: in the South, because if it actually did the proper
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Speaker 1: education and show the gym pro processes and how blacks
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Speaker 1: really contributed to this world, then white people will be
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Speaker 1: ashamed to hang those flags in the South. How did
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Speaker 1: African American studies have the impact on your life? You know,
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Speaker 1: I think that's a great question, because what I actually
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Speaker 1: have come to believe is that every black college student,
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Speaker 1: and it's a shame that it takes getting to college
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Speaker 1: to get access to this information. Right. You know, my
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Speaker 1: husband and I often talk about the fact that, you know,
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Speaker 1: we have all these professional degrees, and outside of my
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Speaker 1: Africana Studies degree, which I majored in the college, I
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Speaker 1: really had no other space in my education that prepared
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Speaker 1: me for what it is that I'm doing today. And
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Speaker 1: I feel as though every black student who was so
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Speaker 1: privileged to be able to go to college needs to
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Speaker 1: need a double major in African and African American studies
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Speaker 1: or minor in it if it's not their primary major.
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Speaker 1: And I think it's important because we don't just need
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Speaker 1: political scientists. We need political scientists who know how to
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Speaker 1: take the wisdom of one of the best political scientists,
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Speaker 1: Marcus Garvey, and fuse them with what our issues are today.
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Speaker 1: We don't just need entrepreneurs. We need entrepreneurs who can
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Speaker 1: tap into the genius that book with T Washington did have.
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Speaker 1: I know that you know there's some controversy there, but
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Speaker 1: he was onto something he and WB the Boy that
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Speaker 1: shouldn't have been an a bay because we needed both
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Speaker 1: of what they had to say. But we need entrepreneurs
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Speaker 1: who are able to take the book or t Washington
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Speaker 1: Approach to trade and two skills development and marry it
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Speaker 1: with the job needs that we have in our community
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Speaker 1: right now. We don't just need black medical doctors. We
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Speaker 1: need black medical doctors who have an expertise in the
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Speaker 1: health conditions and the environment that produced the health outcomes
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Speaker 1: that black communities find ourselves in. Why because we need
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Speaker 1: them to build hospitals, We need them to leave research.
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Speaker 1: We need them to engage in in the types of
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Speaker 1: study that is going to center our physical needs. We
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Speaker 1: we don't just need black bankers and finances. We need
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Speaker 1: black bankers and finances who understand black economics and who
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Speaker 1: capitalist system, and create economic models that are going to
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Speaker 1: not only uh empower us to employment, but how do
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Speaker 1: we grow wealth within a society where we are at
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Speaker 1: the bottom, and how to pull ourselves up. We need
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Speaker 1: black professionals who aren't just black professionals. We don't just
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Speaker 1: need people getting jobs and great paytrins. We need them
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Speaker 1: to have the knowledge that is going to be necessary
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Speaker 1: to create solutions so that our community can get the benefit.
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Speaker 1: And so I would encourage every parent if you have
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Speaker 1: children who who are looking to go into college, whether
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Speaker 1: they're going to HBCU or p w Y, majoring in
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Speaker 1: Afrikaan is studies is one of the best things they
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Speaker 1: can do. And even if if it's a double major,
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Speaker 1: even if it's a minor. Quite frankly, because we don't have,
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Speaker 1: as you said, any spaces where we're able to learn
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Speaker 1: this history and when you don't know who you are,
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Speaker 1: of their origins, are like trees with no roots. And
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Speaker 1: we do not have the luxury of having black excellence
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Speaker 1: b A in African and African and studies your minors
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Speaker 1: in Spanish language. I must admit I'm very limited in
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Speaker 1: that conversation, so we won't even go there. We won't
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Speaker 1: go there. We'll go there even though I grew up
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Speaker 1: in Houston, Texas now book watching because you brought him up.
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Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna bring him up in this conversation because
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Speaker 1: he's renowned in the black community, but when you hear
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Speaker 1: a story, he felt that black people should be subservient
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Speaker 1: in my tone and my learnings to white people, because
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Speaker 1: white people think good, great maze and great mechanics all.
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Speaker 1: And that's where w B. The Bars had issues with
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Speaker 1: him because he felt that, sure, you educating African American
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Speaker 1: or black people are negroes at the time, but you're
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Speaker 1: telling them that's all they could do. What WB the
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Speaker 1: Boars were saying, we should be able to do anything,
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Speaker 1: you know in conversation, and I writing that assessment in comparison,
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Speaker 1: you learned that your way, I learned my way. But
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Speaker 1: but but Book Washington really in some ways was a disappointment.
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Speaker 1: Even though he had the voices of all the all
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Speaker 1: the right white people, the rich ones to Rockefellers, they
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Speaker 1: all went to him for information and so when he
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Speaker 1: told them just what black people can do, so in
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Speaker 1: some ways it created an image of our we weren't
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Speaker 1: unlimited and opportunities, we were limited an opportunity based on
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Speaker 1: these conversations. So I think that what you raise is
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Speaker 1: a really good point. And I love the juxtaposition between
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Speaker 1: the boys and Book or T. Washington and I think
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Speaker 1: it's important that we recognize that a lot of times
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Speaker 1: in history you have these these massive debates between these
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Speaker 1: giants of our history. And if you're able to pull
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Speaker 1: back a bit and then bring yourself back from the forest,
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Speaker 1: from the trees, to look at the individual tree, to
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Speaker 1: look at the whole force, what we see is often
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Speaker 1: there are truths in every single one of their arguments,
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Speaker 1: many of them right for book or T. Washington advocating
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Speaker 1: the routes to trade, advocating that the use of our
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Speaker 1: hands manual labor. For him, I think what he was
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Speaker 1: saying is that even if we take this college route,
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Speaker 1: even if we get our students into college, and at
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Speaker 1: that time, you know, CARTERGI Woodson tells us a lot
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Speaker 1: about the early era of educating black people in this country,
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Speaker 1: and Cargi Wooson in his book The Miseducation of the Negro,
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Speaker 1: he talks a lot about the fact that you've got
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Speaker 1: black people in school who are learning Latin, they're learning
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Speaker 1: Greek history, they're becoming professors of you know, the great
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Speaker 1: Romance languages, you know, things of that nature. And yet
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Speaker 1: the peanut farmer who is an immigrant who cannot speak
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Speaker 1: English can come to this country, having just got here
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Speaker 1: last month, open up a peanut cart, and will become
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Speaker 1: rich by selling to those of us black people who
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Speaker 1: are often colleges, learning the trades and learning the great
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Speaker 1: Romance languages. And I think what what we find that
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Speaker 1: kind of brings each of those three men and their
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Speaker 1: bodies of thought together, is the idea that, yes, we
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Speaker 1: need people who are able to go off into the
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Speaker 1: humanities and to study what it means to to engage
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Speaker 1: in philosophy. But if the philosophy is Western philosophy, and
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Speaker 1: if the philosophy is harmfully exclusionary to black interests and
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Speaker 1: to the black existence, then that philosophy and black people
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Speaker 1: majoring in that type of a sophie for their academic study,
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Speaker 1: does us a disservice. I think that when we're looking
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Speaker 1: at where we're at right now today, I have a
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Speaker 1: very good friend of mine who's a phenomenal, brilliant guy finance,
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Speaker 1: and you know, he's done a lot of work in
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Speaker 1: the finance industry. He's a VP at one of the
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Speaker 1: big banks. And you know, my husband and I we
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Speaker 1: were at lunch with a friend of ours and and
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Speaker 1: he's there and we're introducing them and realizing they worked
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Speaker 1: at the same bank. You know, both of them are
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Speaker 1: vps at the same bank. And oh, you guys must
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Speaker 1: already know each other. You're both at the same and
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Speaker 1: and and they didn't know each other. And one of
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Speaker 1: them laughs and says, you know, we might all be black,
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Speaker 1: and we might all be bankers, but too many black
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Speaker 1: people gathered in the at the water cooler makes a
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Speaker 1: lot of our white colleagues nervous. And you know, we
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Speaker 1: laughed it off, and I was like, ha ha ha.
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Speaker 1: But later on it struck me that we have these
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Speaker 1: two examples of brilliant black men who have done everything
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Speaker 1: that we have asked of them. They've gone on to school,
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Speaker 1: they've got successful jobs, they're they're making their way, making
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Speaker 1: good money, donating to the community. And yet even with
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Speaker 1: being masters in their profession, they were limited in their
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Speaker 1: ability to even bring their requisite areas of of of
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Speaker 1: of expertise together to build something that our community could
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Speaker 1: benefit from. And right now we're in an area and
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Speaker 1: in an environment where you have, uh, the numbers of
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Speaker 1: our people who are in the criminal justice system or
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Speaker 1: criminal justice involved as compared to college students are comparable.
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Speaker 1: Right now, we have a reality where uh most of
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Speaker 1: us who are black professionals who are employed uh in
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Speaker 1: in white institutions and white owned spaces. Um, we're often
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Speaker 1: the last hired, which means that whenever rounds of of
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Speaker 1: of of reductions and force come about, we're often the
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Speaker 1: first fired. We are in an environment where we have
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Speaker 1: to sue corporate entities to hire enough of us, and
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Speaker 1: we have to hold over these corporate entities the threat
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Speaker 1: that by not hiring us and not having diverse workspaces,
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Speaker 1: they will then have to face some sort of of
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Speaker 1: accusations of discrimination. If we are talking about an economy
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Speaker 1: that is largely based on black students mastering the skills
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Speaker 1: of whiteness, that Latin, that Greek, learning how to present
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Speaker 1: in a way that's going to make our teachers believe
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Speaker 1: in us and not fear us by the time we
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Speaker 1: transition from the third grade of fourth grade, that year
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Speaker 1: in between where a lot of black boys go from
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Speaker 1: being cute little Tyrone so, oh my gosh, Tyrone is
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Speaker 1: making me nervous. You're so big and aggressive. Maybe you
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Speaker 1: should be in special Let right, We're have an environment
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Speaker 1: where our economic success models require black children to master
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Speaker 1: white knowledge in it and present it in a way
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Speaker 1: that is acceptable to white people, so that we make
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Speaker 1: them comfortable enough that they will then hire us, give
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Speaker 1: us entrede into their economics pathways to success. I think
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Speaker 1: when we look back at the history between the Boys
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Speaker 1: and What and Book or T Washington and and think
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Speaker 1: about what lessons we can learn from that, we need
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Speaker 1: to be able to use trade as well as academic
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Speaker 1: pathways to success in a way that is going to
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Speaker 1: remove a lot of the pressures that come from having
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Speaker 1: to take the only pathway to success that our community
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Speaker 1: has largely blobbed, one to which is making white people
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Speaker 1: comfortable enough to work in these spaces. We need trades.
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Speaker 1: We need black plumbers. Right now, I could be making
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Speaker 1: six figures as a plumber, but I was told I
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Speaker 1: needed to master these particular skills. I'm glad I did.
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Speaker 1: I'm glad I went to law school. I'd be a
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Speaker 1: terrible plumber. But the reality is there's economic freedom in
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Speaker 1: the trades. There's economic freedom and vocational pathways. We don't
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Speaker 1: all need to go to college. All of us are
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Speaker 1: not going to go to college. I want my children
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Speaker 1: to go yes. I hope they do go Yes, But
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Speaker 1: I have to recognize that we are living in an
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Speaker 1: environment where we need both and it's not an either or,
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Speaker 1: and we have to be able to recognize that there
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Speaker 1: must be multiple pathways to success for our community, because frankly,
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Speaker 1: not all of these pathways are large enough to hold
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Speaker 1: all of the genius that we have. And that's not
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Speaker 1: the question that WB the Boars had an issue with.
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Speaker 1: His issue with book Roon. You know, this was he
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Speaker 1: felt that he was very powerful, he had the ear,
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Speaker 1: he had the available to communicate and said we can
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Speaker 1: do more. He he presented an example that's all we
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Speaker 1: could do. All we can do is work with our hands.
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Speaker 1: That was a struggle and that was the issue that
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Speaker 1: he had in hand. And I don't want to you know,
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Speaker 1: this interview has more to talk about than book with
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Speaker 1: something that happened many years ago. But I do want
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Speaker 1: to make comment on something that you talked about your
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Speaker 1: two VP Prayans at the Brain, who had never met.
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Speaker 1: They were talking about too many black people. In nineteen
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Speaker 1: and six, I was still working with at IBM and
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Speaker 1: as an executive and that was the same statement we
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Speaker 1: will make in the eighty six. And it's really tragic
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Speaker 1: that thirty or four years later in the conversation with you,
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Speaker 1: I'm he's having the same and he's their VPS. And
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Speaker 1: so that means that within the corporate structure, the way
17:27
Speaker 1: you walk is still hasn't changed, because we would say,
17:31
Speaker 1: you know, jokes like you know, five black people together,
17:33
Speaker 1: that's a basketball team. You know, held up your brother,
17:36
Speaker 1: you need to you need to talk to pass at
17:38
Speaker 1: the same time, don't slow down, don't go to the
17:40
Speaker 1: bathroom at the same time. All those statements we made
17:43
Speaker 1: in the eighty six are being still being made today.
17:46
Speaker 1: But then we see that the white people are the
17:49
Speaker 1: white person feels they're becoming a minority, and so now
17:52
Speaker 1: they're troubled by this, and their trouble will die. The
17:55
Speaker 1: words like councel culture when you talk about removing Confederate
17:58
Speaker 1: flags and so you you know, you executive director for
18:02
Speaker 1: Law and Social Justice, when you look at council culture
18:06
Speaker 1: being tied to the Confederacy removal the flags, and we
18:10
Speaker 1: see people walk around here tearing down bills and putting
18:13
Speaker 1: up Confederate flags and want to keep them on their car.
18:16
Speaker 1: Where do you stand and how does that make you feel? Well?
18:20
Speaker 1: You know, I believe that people use every opportunity that
18:23
Speaker 1: they can to show you who they really are. And
18:26
Speaker 1: when that happens, as the Great Maya Angelou and others
18:28
Speaker 1: have said, we should believe them right and we gotta
18:31
Speaker 1: remember the Confederate flag really was came back into American
18:37
Speaker 1: popular culture as a response to the civil rights movements,
18:41
Speaker 1: which were fighting for freedom for black people. They didn't,
18:45
Speaker 1: you know, pop up spring up right after the Civil War.
18:47
Speaker 1: We really see them coming back to assist the growth
18:50
Speaker 1: of groups in the early nineteen hundreds, like the Daughters
18:53
Speaker 1: of the Confederacy, like the ku Klux Klan. We see
18:56
Speaker 1: these Confederate statues going up in in states that had
18:59
Speaker 1: no action to the Confederacy, some places that weren't even
19:02
Speaker 1: in existence when there was the Civil War. Uh, Some
19:04
Speaker 1: states that weren't in existence and when there was a
19:06
Speaker 1: Civil war. Yet they're putting up these Confederate statues and
19:09
Speaker 1: monuments not as an ode to history, all history, but
19:13
Speaker 1: as an old to a particular angle of history. Um
19:15
Speaker 1: and as a way of centering. Uh. And then you know,
19:18
Speaker 1: we call it the Southern heritage. Yes, Southern heritage, which
19:20
Speaker 1: was centered on the preservation of slavery and the preservation
19:23
Speaker 1: of the social hierarchy um, which allowed slavery to continue.
19:28
Speaker 1: So we often think about slavery in terms of free labor,
19:30
Speaker 1: which it absolutely was, but slavery was also about the
19:33
Speaker 1: social status that white people held in a superior position
19:37
Speaker 1: over black people in an inferior position. So when it
19:39
Speaker 1: comes to cancel culture, you know, I'm a believer that
19:43
Speaker 1: cancel culture is really just people recognizing that there are
19:45
Speaker 1: sometimes you have to be accountable for the things that
19:47
Speaker 1: you said, and there are people out there who agree
19:49
Speaker 1: or disagree, and if they disagree, they are no longer
19:52
Speaker 1: required to pay you attention. Um. And so I think
19:54
Speaker 1: that we should apply that same thing, uh to cancel culture,
19:58
Speaker 1: or to the Confederacy and and the Confederate flag, which
20:01
Speaker 1: we are now seeing waving everywhere, including from inside the
20:04
Speaker 1: Capitol building, which is quite a feat considering the rebels
20:07
Speaker 1: themselves were not able to accomplish that. Absolutely. Now, when
20:11
Speaker 1: we've talked about moving head and look at the inauguration
20:14
Speaker 1: coming up um January twenty and you look at so
20:19
Speaker 1: much that has happened in from the standpoint of HBCUs,
20:23
Speaker 1: I guess being recognized because of the donations that have
20:26
Speaker 1: come their way Finally people feel their academic institutions and
20:30
Speaker 1: maybe they won't sit around and talking about do we
20:32
Speaker 1: should we send money over there? What are they doing
20:34
Speaker 1: over there? They're educating the best students and corporate leaders
20:37
Speaker 1: in America. That's what they're doing at HBC Games. Now,
20:40
Speaker 1: when I talk about the inauguration and you know what,
20:43
Speaker 1: I'm going to Kamala Harris and her role you're in
20:45
Speaker 1: African American female? How do you put all this in perspective,
20:49
Speaker 1: Miss Daniel Favors. You know, it's interesting because I often
20:55
Speaker 1: have conversations with my friends. You know, we are now parents, right,
20:59
Speaker 1: so we all have kids, and we're having these conversations
21:02
Speaker 1: about where we want to see our children go to school.
21:04
Speaker 1: And I've noticed a shift whereas at one point I
21:09
Speaker 1: had a lot of friends who, you know, would sail.
21:11
Speaker 1: I would like for my kids to, you know, to
21:13
Speaker 1: at least interview at an HBCU. They should do a tour.
21:16
Speaker 1: But you know the p W I is gonna prepare
21:18
Speaker 1: you for real life, right, you know, I want them
21:21
Speaker 1: to go to a predominantly wide institution because that's where
21:24
Speaker 1: they're gonna really learn how to get along. They're gonna
21:27
Speaker 1: learn how to apply the skills in the real world.
21:30
Speaker 1: And I think that Vice President elect Kamala Harris HBCU
21:34
Speaker 1: GRAB UH, newly elected Democrat UH Senator from the state
21:39
Speaker 1: of Georgia, Raphael Warnock HBCU GRAB, the Queen of the South,
21:44
Speaker 1: Stacy Abrams HBCU grad. I think these three folks and
21:49
Speaker 1: so many more have completely put to death the lie
21:53
Speaker 1: that an HBCU is not a healthy space for black
21:56
Speaker 1: children to be educated. And so, you know, I am
22:00
Speaker 1: thrilled about this shift in conversation, this paradigm shift. You know,
22:04
Speaker 1: I I want I Oh my god, I want to
22:06
Speaker 1: go to HBCU. So but ever since school days in
22:08
Speaker 1: a different world, like what child growing up in the
22:10
Speaker 1: eighties did not want to go to hbc U. I
22:12
Speaker 1: couldn't afford one, and p WIS gave me scholarship money,
22:15
Speaker 1: which is where I went, Which is kind of how
22:17
Speaker 1: we see a lot of these things happening. So, you know,
22:19
Speaker 1: you mentioned the donations that these colleges are getting. I
22:21
Speaker 1: am so excited about what this means for expanding opportunities
22:25
Speaker 1: for scholarship for black students. And I think that we're
22:28
Speaker 1: seeing an increase in in donations to HBCUs from alum
22:32
Speaker 1: and from those of us who were just looking from
22:34
Speaker 1: the outside, looking in wave and wishing we could have
22:36
Speaker 1: got in, but recognizing the value of the institution. I
22:38
Speaker 1: don't donate to my alma mater, my undergrad I donate
22:41
Speaker 1: to HBCUs Um. And so I think that we are
22:44
Speaker 1: seeing a real shift in an understanding about the importance
22:48
Speaker 1: of centering ourselves, centering our discourse. And you know, even
22:51
Speaker 1: our conversation earlier about the boys versus Washington, we have
22:55
Speaker 1: there's so much excellence, and we have to have a
22:58
Speaker 1: critical eye towards how we're are moving and informed by history.
23:02
Speaker 1: So we can look back and say, I understand what
23:04
Speaker 1: the elder was doing. The elder was wrong in this
23:06
Speaker 1: particular instance, but here's the nugget I can take out
23:09
Speaker 1: of what he or she was advocating for, and here's
23:11
Speaker 1: how we can plant that seed and water it differently,
23:14
Speaker 1: and nurture it differently and produce a different kind of tree.
23:16
Speaker 1: And I think that what we're seeing right now. You know,
23:19
Speaker 1: I believe firmly in the principle of sun Cofa, which
23:21
Speaker 1: is a West African principle that says, are it really
23:23
Speaker 1: speaks to the point of beneath our history being centered
23:26
Speaker 1: and revered because it informs our present and it lays
23:29
Speaker 1: the pathways for us going forward. And the paradigm shift
23:32
Speaker 1: that we are having right now is grounded on a
23:34
Speaker 1: recognition that our past is our present. What we saw
23:37
Speaker 1: happening in Washington, d c U during the certification of
23:41
Speaker 1: the vote, that is America's history front and center in
23:45
Speaker 1: the present. And so we right now have a phenomenal
23:48
Speaker 1: opportunity to center ourselves differently. We've got fifty seven years
23:52
Speaker 1: of integrated American history that we can factor into our analysis.
23:56
Speaker 1: That was data that our early ancestors and newly freed
24:00
Speaker 1: enslaved persons didn't have. What can we do with this information,
24:03
Speaker 1: What can we do with the expectations that we have now,
24:07
Speaker 1: and how do we ensure that we're creating a different
24:09
Speaker 1: set of opportunities for our children. I think that conversation
24:12
Speaker 1: is wide open, and I am I'm so excited to
24:15
Speaker 1: have Senator or Vice President Alex Kamala Harris sort of
24:18
Speaker 1: the symbol of that, because it really does mean that
24:21
Speaker 1: we can now begin thinking in different ways about not
24:26
Speaker 1: only what is power, but how we choose to access
24:29
Speaker 1: it and what pathways we choose to get there. She's
24:31
Speaker 1: an activist, she's a radio hope, she's an author, she's
24:34
Speaker 1: an attorney. You know the great thing about when I
24:37
Speaker 1: when I look at your plan, First of all, I
24:39
Speaker 1: love you to I'm a fan. Okay, thank you animation
24:42
Speaker 1: your animated behave told I was like, you know, I'm like,
24:46
Speaker 1: I'm almost watching you morph into an animated because you
24:49
Speaker 1: just so passion. But then you deliver it with such
24:54
Speaker 1: a informed information. So I'm really usually talk a lot more. Well,
25:00
Speaker 1: let me just enjoy listening to you talk with les.
25:02
Speaker 1: They say you're spinning fire with information at Tattoo, and
25:05
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna break in with the water holes and
25:08
Speaker 1: drop all that knowledge with some ignorance just because I
25:10
Speaker 1: feel like talking. You're especial, young lady. I'm glad. I
25:13
Speaker 1: hope you consider coming back on the show because I'm
25:17
Speaker 1: trying to create a vorcee for HBCU. I'm trying to
25:19
Speaker 1: create a vorce for black people, a platform where they
25:21
Speaker 1: can come and speak and realize that you are starved.
25:24
Speaker 1: Not so much that you know that the dessert Washington started.
25:27
Speaker 1: You know, you are the new stars the people who
25:30
Speaker 1: the people who are moving information, the people who are
25:34
Speaker 1: moving values. That's why it was really fun to have
25:37
Speaker 1: a really soft debate with you about book at Washington,
25:40
Speaker 1: w B the boards. I'm gonna I know you not
25:42
Speaker 1: you don't have that much of that often because I
25:44
Speaker 1: realized that that's when I go back, when I talk
25:46
Speaker 1: about people who set information for you. I didn't find
25:50
Speaker 1: that out until I about Book of d Washington all
25:52
Speaker 1: later in life, because people were delivering information that they
25:55
Speaker 1: felt was valuable to you now as you and that's
25:59
Speaker 1: all you learn, and at American studies, information is and
26:02
Speaker 1: I will tell you this, I was brought to tears
26:04
Speaker 1: when I realized what I didn't know and what I
26:07
Speaker 1: was denied. I was denied an opportunity to learn history
26:10
Speaker 1: because if you look at history that they teach you
26:12
Speaker 1: in traditional white schools, they're all white schools, so just
26:16
Speaker 1: you and you're under education. It's about they brought us
26:19
Speaker 1: over the enslavers, they let us go free. Then they
26:24
Speaker 1: then they drop all they jump past the Jim Crow
26:26
Speaker 1: and all that violence they did when we had an
26:28
Speaker 1: opportunity to see. Then we get up to brown versus
26:31
Speaker 1: the Board of Education. Then we go to I had
26:33
Speaker 1: a dream spreech then we do the civil rights vote
26:36
Speaker 1: and that then Martin Luther King assassination and they started
26:39
Speaker 1: talking about black people. That's it. Let's start talking about
26:42
Speaker 1: black people. And that's what we have to do now,
26:45
Speaker 1: is talk about black people, talk about why we have
26:47
Speaker 1: a right, and we start talking about law and social justice.
26:51
Speaker 1: You for your leader, and I just wanted to bring
26:53
Speaker 1: on the show and introduced with Sean McDonald to your
26:55
Speaker 1: world and let you know I'm a fan and your
26:58
Speaker 1: special young lady. Thank you, sir. That means a lot.
27:01
Speaker 1: I very much appreciate it. I am honored to sit
27:04
Speaker 1: in this space. You have interviews and had conversations with
27:06
Speaker 1: some of the most phenomenal people in our community, and
27:10
Speaker 1: so it is it's such an honor for me to
27:11
Speaker 1: be here, and I cannot thank you enough. I'm very
27:14
Speaker 1: grateful and appreciative. Well, we'll talking soon. Like I said,
27:16
Speaker 1: this world is not going to change, hopefully it's not
27:18
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27:23
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27:25
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27:27
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27:30
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27:34
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27:38
Speaker 1: President Obama when he came in. You know, they blocked
27:41
Speaker 1: a lot of things that he wanted to do. And
27:43
Speaker 1: he still gets shade because they feel like he didn't
27:45
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27:48
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27:51
Speaker 1: a fifty fifty in the Senate, we already know. Guess
27:54
Speaker 1: who could break that type breaker a black woman. Come
27:56
Speaker 1: on with that, come on that. Thank you for coming
27:59
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