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Shamatha, Vipassana, and the American Dharma Experiment — with Nick Egan, PhD · The Living Conversation

• 0:15
  I'm
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  Anthony
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  Wright.
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  And
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  I'm
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  your
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  co
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  host
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  with
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  Adam
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  Dees.
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  And
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  our
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  guest
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  today
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  is
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  Nick
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  Egan.
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  And
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  Nick,
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  before
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  the
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  break,
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  you
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  were
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  talking
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  about
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  the
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  structure
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  of
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  meditation,
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  and
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  you
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  had
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  met
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  a
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  Tibetan
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  scholar
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  named
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  Bia
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  Alan
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  Wallace,
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  and
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  you
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  were
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  talking
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  about
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  getting
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  locked
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  into
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  a
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  meditative
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  state.
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  Would
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  you
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  speak
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  about
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  that
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  again,
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  please?
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  Yes.
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  So
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  the
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  idea
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  with.
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  So
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  in
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  Buddha.
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  I
• 0:46
  can
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  pull
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  back
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  up
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  just
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  a
• 0:48
  tad
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  bit
• 0:48
  and
• 0:48
  give
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  a
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  bit
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  of
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  context,
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  please.
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  In
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  Buddhist
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  practice
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  in
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  particular,
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  there
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  are
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  two
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  broad
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  categories
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  of
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  meditation.
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  One
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  is
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  called
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  shamatha,
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  which
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  means
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  calm
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  abiding.
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  The
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  other
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  one
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  is
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  called
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  vipassana,
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  which
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  means
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  like,
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  insight.
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  And
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  so
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  within
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  what
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  99%
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  of
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  what
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  most
• 1:04
  people
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  think
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  of
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  as
• 1:05
  meditation
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  is
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  in
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  this
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  shamatha
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  type
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  box,
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  and
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  how
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  you
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  classify
• 1:09
  that
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  or
• 1:10
  categorize
• 1:10
  it
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  is
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  there's
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  an
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  object
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  of
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  awareness.
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  The
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  object
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  can
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  be
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  anything
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  at
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  all.
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  Right.
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  It
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  could
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  be
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  visualized.
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  It
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  could
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  be
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  something
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  you
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  see,
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  it
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  could
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  be
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  a
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  thought,
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  whatever
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  you
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  want.
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  And
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  then
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  the
• 1:19
  idea
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  is
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  that
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  your
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  awareness
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  is
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  stabilized
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  in
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  relationship
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  with
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  the
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  object
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  of
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  awareness.
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  Most
• 1:27
  people's
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  awareness
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  is
• 1:28
  jumping
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  all
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  around.
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  You
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  probably
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  heard
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  the
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  term
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  monkey
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  mind,
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  right?
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  It's
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  like
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  monkey
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  mind
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  jumping
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  all
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  around.
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  Shamatha
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  is
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  the
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  opposite
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  of
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  that,
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  which
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  is
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  like
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  a
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  stabilized
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  mind.
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  And
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  with
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  that,
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  then
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  a
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  state
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  will
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  arise
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  that
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  we
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  call
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  samadhi,
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  which
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  just
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  means
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  like
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  an
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  absorption
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  state.
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  Okay.
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  And
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  then
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  you
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  were
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  speaking
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  about
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  vipassana.
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  Vipassana
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  is
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  in
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  a.
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  In
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  a
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  Mahayana
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  sense,
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  in
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  the
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  sense
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  of
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  the
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  Buddhism
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  that
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  I
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  practice.
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  It
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  means
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  a
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  clear
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  insight.
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  And
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  that
• 1:58
  insight
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  is
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  into
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  either
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  emptiness
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  or
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  the
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  nature
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  of
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  mind
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  or
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  dependent
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  origination,
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  which
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  are
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  all
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  words
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  for
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  the
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  same
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  thing.
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  Yep.
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  Yep.
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  So
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  do
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  you
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  guide
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  people
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  with
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  that
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  sort
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  of
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  understanding,
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  from
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  yourself
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  into
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  their
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  own
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  unfolding
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  of
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  where
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  they're
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  saying
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  they'd
• 2:24
  want
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  to
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  go?
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  I.
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  I
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  typically
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  don't,
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  with
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  some
• 2:28
  rare
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  exceptions,
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  just
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  because
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  I
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  do
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  have.
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  I
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  am
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  authorized
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  to
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  teach
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  to
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  some
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  degree,
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  but
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  I
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  find
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  there
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  are
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  many,
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  many
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  great
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  teachers
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  out
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  there.
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  Like,
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  you
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  don't
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  need
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  an
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  amateur.
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  Like,
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  go
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  to
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  the.
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  Go
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  to
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  a
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  professional.
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  Well,
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  but
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  I
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  mean,
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  people
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  have
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  accepted
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  you
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  as
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  a.
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  As
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  a
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  coach,
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  so.
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  But
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  with
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  your
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  understanding,
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  you
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  have
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  some
• 2:48
  idea
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  about
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  how
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  to
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  steward
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  their
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  conscious
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  journey,
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  wouldn't
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  you
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  say?
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  Yeah.
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  With
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  coaching,
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  where
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  this
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  comes
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  into
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  play
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  with
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  coaching
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  is.
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  Well,
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  let's
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  talk
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  about
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  mindset
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  coaching
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  for
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  a
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  second.
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  Okay.
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  All
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  mindset
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  coaching
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  is
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  in
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  hypnosis
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  and
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  all
• 3:05
  of
• 3:05
  that
• 3:05
  stuff.
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  It's
• 3:06
  recognizing
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  a
• 3:07
  pattern.
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  Yes.
• 3:08
  Being
• 3:08
  aware
• 3:08
  of
• 3:08
  the
• 3:08
  pattern.
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  And
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  then
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  when
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  that
• 3:10
  pattern
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  is.
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  When
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  you're
• 3:11
  aware
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  of
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  it,
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  you're
• 3:12
  either
• 3:12
  choosing
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  intentionally
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  to
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  disrupt
• 3:14
  it
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  or
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  to
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  not,
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  right?
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  And
• 3:15
  then,
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  and
• 3:16
  then
• 3:16
  you're
• 3:16
  reflecting
• 3:16
  on
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  it.
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  That's
• 3:17
  all.
• 3:18
  All
• 3:18
  of
• 3:18
  coaching,
• 3:19
  all
• 3:19
  of
• 3:19
  that
• 3:19
  stuff
• 3:19
  is
• 3:20
  the
• 3:20
  same
• 3:20
  path.
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  So
• 3:22
  the
• 3:22
  benefit
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  of
• 3:23
  shamasa
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  or
• 3:24
  meditation
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  or
• 3:25
  understanding
• 3:25
  the
• 3:26
  mind
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  at
• 3:26
  maybe
• 3:26
  a
• 3:26
  deeper
• 3:27
  level
• 3:27
  than
• 3:28
  you
• 3:28
  would
• 3:28
  otherwise
• 3:29
  is
• 3:29
  you're
• 3:29
  able
• 3:29
  to
• 3:30
  then
• 3:30
  help
• 3:30
  people
• 3:31
  stabilize
• 3:31
  an
• 3:31
  understanding
• 3:32
  of
• 3:32
  what
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  the
• 3:33
  pattern
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  is
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  before
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  you
• 3:34
  disrupt
• 3:34
  it.
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  Because
• 3:35
  most
• 3:35
  of
• 3:35
  the
• 3:35
  time
• 3:36
  we're
• 3:36
  walking
• 3:36
  around
• 3:36
  thinking
• 3:37
  like
• 3:37
  doing
• 3:37
  stuff,
• 3:38
  right?
• 3:38
  I
• 3:38
  don't
• 3:38
  know
• 3:38
  really
• 3:39
  why
• 3:39
  I
• 3:39
  did
• 3:39
  stuff
• 3:39
  or
• 3:40
  I
• 3:40
  think
• 3:40
  I
• 3:40
  like
• 3:40
  this
• 3:40
  stuff,
• 3:41
  I
• 3:41
  don't
• 3:41
  like
• 3:41
  this
• 3:41
  other
• 3:41
  stuff.
• 3:42
  But
• 3:42
  really
• 3:42
  what's
• 3:42
  happening
• 3:43
  is
• 3:43
  you're
• 3:43
  operating
• 3:43
  from
• 3:44
  these
• 3:44
  patterns
• 3:44
  that
• 3:44
  are
• 3:44
  informing
• 3:45
  your
• 3:45
  behaviors
• 3:46
  and
• 3:46
  those
• 3:46
  behaviors
• 3:47
  are
• 3:47
  creating
• 3:47
  results.
• 3:47
  And
• 3:48
  if
• 3:48
  you
• 3:48
  want
• 3:48
  different
• 3:48
  results,
• 3:49
  you
• 3:49
  have
• 3:49
  to
• 3:49
  work
• 3:49
  the
• 3:49
  behaviors.
• 3:50
  To
• 3:51
  work
• 3:51
  the
• 3:51
  behaviors,
• 3:51
  you
• 3:51
  have
• 3:52
  to
• 3:52
  change
• 3:52
  the
• 3:52
  pattern.
• 3:53
  That's
• 3:54
  really
• 3:54
  well
• 3:54
  said.
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  So
• 3:56
  Adam,
• 3:56
  what
• 3:56
  do
• 3:56
  you
• 3:56
  think?
• 3:57
  What
• 3:57
  do
• 3:57
  you
• 3:58
  think
• 3:58
  is
• 3:58
  a
• 3:58
  super.
• 4:00
  Well,
• 4:00
  I
• 4:01
  try
• 4:01
  not
• 4:01
  to,
• 4:01
  but.
• 4:04
  I.
• 4:04
  Had
• 4:04
  a
• 4:04
  couple
• 4:05
  thoughts.
• 4:05
  One
• 4:06
  maybe
• 4:07
  a
• 4:07
  little
• 4:07
  too
• 4:07
  esoteric,
• 4:07
  we
• 4:08
  can
• 4:08
  get
• 4:08
  into
• 4:08
  it
• 4:08
  later.
• 4:08
  But
• 4:09
  basically
• 4:09
  the
• 4:09
  main
• 4:10
  thought
• 4:10
  is
• 4:10
  I've
• 4:10
  been
• 4:11
  kind
• 4:12
  of
• 4:12
  contemplating
• 4:13
  on
• 4:13
  this.
• 4:14
  Basically
• 4:15
  I
• 4:15
  would
• 4:15
  just
• 4:15
  want
• 4:15
  to
• 4:15
  call
• 4:15
  it
• 4:15
  like
• 4:16
  West
• 4:16
  Coast
• 4:16
  Zen.
• 4:18
  I
• 4:18
  feel
• 4:18
  like
• 4:18
  the
• 4:18
  three
• 4:19
  of
• 4:19
  us
• 4:20
  almost
• 4:20
  come
• 4:20
  from
• 4:21
  this
• 4:21
  lineage
• 4:21
  in
• 4:21
  a
• 4:21
  lot
• 4:22
  of
• 4:22
  ways
• 4:22
  where
• 4:23
  we
• 4:23
  were
• 4:23
  hippie
• 4:24
  adjacent
• 4:24
  or
• 4:25
  in
• 4:25
  Anthony's
• 4:25
  case,
• 4:26
  actual
• 4:26
  hippie,
• 4:28
  and
• 4:29
  we
• 4:30
  found
• 4:30
  ourselves
• 4:31
  looking
• 4:32
  at
• 4:32
  stuff
• 4:32
  like
• 4:32
  Alan
• 4:32
  Watts
• 4:33
  or
• 4:34
  whatnot
• 4:35
  and
• 4:35
  we
• 4:35
  really
• 4:36
  gravitating
• 4:36
  towards
• 4:36
  Buddhism.
• 4:37
  And
• 4:38
  I
• 4:38
  know
• 4:38
  you
• 4:38
  have
• 4:38
  a
• 4:38
  really
• 4:39
  broad
• 4:40
  understanding
• 4:40
  of
• 4:40
  Buddhism,
• 4:41
  you
• 4:41
  have
• 4:41
  a
• 4:42
  broad
• 4:42
  cultural
• 4:43
  type
• 4:43
  of
• 4:43
  context
• 4:44
  to
• 4:44
  look
• 4:44
  at
• 4:44
  this
• 4:44
  in.
• 4:45
  What
• 4:46
  are
• 4:46
  your
• 4:46
  thoughts
• 4:46
  about
• 4:49
  American
• 4:49
  Buddhism
• 4:52
  as
• 4:52
  a
• 4:52
  unique
• 4:53
  route,
• 4:53
  a
• 4:54
  unique
• 4:54
  path
• 4:54
  and
• 4:55
  how
• 4:56
  it
• 4:57
  is
• 4:57
  similar
• 4:57
  and
• 4:58
  different
• 4:58
  than
• 4:58
  other
• 4:59
  traditions
• 4:59
  you're
• 5:00
  familiar
• 5:00
  with?
• 5:01
  Man,
• 5:02
  that's
• 5:02
  such
• 5:02
  a
• 5:02
  good
• 5:02
  question.
• 5:04
  I
• 5:05
  would
• 5:05
  even
• 5:05
  add
• 5:05
  like,
• 5:06
  I
• 5:06
  like,
• 5:07
  I
• 5:07
  don't
• 5:07
  think
• 5:07
  I've
• 5:07
  heard
• 5:08
  you
• 5:08
  call
• 5:08
  it,
• 5:08
  you
• 5:08
  know,
• 5:08
  West
• 5:09
  Coast
• 5:09
  Zen,
• 5:09
  but
• 5:09
  I
• 5:10
  understand
• 5:10
  that
• 5:10
  as
• 5:11
  like
• 5:11
  a
• 5:11
  framework.
• 5:11
  And,
• 5:12
  and
• 5:12
  so
• 5:12
  some
• 5:12
  of
• 5:12
  the
• 5:13
  commonalities,
• 5:14
  what
• 5:14
  I've
• 5:15
  seen
• 5:15
  among
• 5:15
  Americans
• 5:17
  is
• 5:17
  that
• 5:17
  they're
• 5:18
  very
• 5:18
  much
• 5:18
  into
• 5:20
  what
• 5:20
  in
• 5:20
  Tibetan
• 5:21
  traditions
• 5:21
  we
• 5:21
  call
• 5:22
  like
• 5:22
  the
• 5:22
  Sahajagana,
• 5:23
  meaning
• 5:23
  like
• 5:23
  the
• 5:23
  effortless
• 5:24
  vehicle
• 5:24
  or
• 5:25
  like
• 5:25
  the
• 5:26
  original,
• 5:26
  the,
• 5:27
  the
• 5:27
  self
• 5:28
  arising
• 5:28
  vehicle,
• 5:28
  like
• 5:29
  the
• 5:29
  non
• 5:29
  dual
• 5:29
  aspect.
• 5:30
  So
• 5:30
  that's
• 5:30
  why
• 5:30
  people
• 5:31
  are
• 5:31
  drawn
• 5:31
  to
• 5:31
  like
• 5:31
  Zen,
• 5:32
  they're
• 5:32
  drawn
• 5:32
  to
• 5:32
  philosophic
• 5:33
  Taoism,
• 5:33
  they're
• 5:34
  drawn
• 5:34
  to
• 5:34
  Zogchen,
• 5:35
  the
• 5:35
  drawn
• 5:35
  to
• 5:35
  Mahamudra
• 5:36
  because
• 5:36
  it's
• 5:36
  like
• 5:36
  it
• 5:36
  gets
• 5:37
  right
• 5:37
  to
• 5:37
  the
• 5:37
  heart
• 5:37
  of
• 5:37
  it.
• 5:38
  And
• 5:38
  as
• 5:39
  Americans
• 5:39
  especially
• 5:39
  like
• 5:40
  we
• 5:40
  have
• 5:40
  had
• 5:41
  a
• 5:41
  lot
• 5:41
  of
• 5:42
  academic
• 5:42
  training
• 5:42
  so
• 5:43
  we're
• 5:43
  able
• 5:43
  to
• 5:43
  understand
• 5:43
  that
• 5:44
  we
• 5:44
  can
• 5:44
  pick
• 5:44
  up
• 5:44
  a
• 5:44
  book
• 5:44
  and
• 5:45
  kind
• 5:45
  of
• 5:45
  understand
• 5:45
  that
• 5:46
  it's
• 5:46
  pointing
• 5:46
  in
• 5:46
  some
• 5:46
  direction.
• 5:47
  And
• 5:47
  so
• 5:48
  Americans,
• 5:48
  I
• 5:48
  think,
• 5:49
  are
• 5:49
  uniquely
• 5:49
  interested
• 5:50
  in
• 5:50
  what
• 5:51
  traditionally
• 5:51
  have
• 5:52
  been
• 5:52
  the
• 5:52
  highest
• 5:52
  teachings,
• 5:53
  right?
• 5:53
  Like
• 5:53
  Dzogchen,
• 5:54
  Mahamudram,
• 5:55
  Zen,
• 5:55
  those
• 5:56
  are
• 5:56
  all
• 5:56
  like
• 5:56
  at
• 5:56
  the
• 5:56
  highest
• 5:57
  level
• 5:57
  within
• 5:57
  their
• 5:57
  own
• 5:58
  framework.
• 5:58
  And
• 5:58
  so
• 5:59
  I
• 5:59
  think
• 5:59
  that
• 6:00
  that
• 6:00
  informs
• 6:01
  what
• 6:01
  Americans
• 6:02
  actually
• 6:02
  want.
• 6:03
  And
• 6:03
  then
• 6:03
  where
• 6:04
  I
• 6:04
  think
• 6:04
  we
• 6:04
  sometimes
• 6:05
  fall
• 6:05
  down,
• 6:05
  I
• 6:05
  think
• 6:05
  we're
• 6:06
  still
• 6:06
  getting
• 6:06
  to
• 6:06
  it
• 6:07
  is
• 6:07
  like
• 6:07
  there
• 6:08
  are
• 6:08
  steps
• 6:08
  to
• 6:08
  get.
• 6:09
  Like
• 6:09
  if
• 6:09
  you
• 6:09
  can't,
• 6:10
  if
• 6:10
  you
• 6:10
  don't
• 6:10
  get
• 6:10
  the
• 6:10
  nature
• 6:11
  of
• 6:11
  mind
• 6:11
  instantaneously,
• 6:12
  then
• 6:12
  you
• 6:12
  know
• 6:13
  better.
• 6:13
  Like
• 6:13
  next
• 6:13
  time
• 6:14
  you
• 6:14
  gotta
• 6:14
  go
• 6:14
  through
• 6:14
  the
• 6:14
  actual
• 6:15
  path,
• 6:15
  right?
• 6:15
  And
• 6:16
  the
• 6:16
  path
• 6:16
  takes
• 6:17
  months,
• 6:17
  years,
• 6:18
  decades,
• 6:19
  lifetimes.
• 6:20
  And
• 6:20
  so
• 6:20
  that's
• 6:20
  where
• 6:20
  Americans,
• 6:21
  I
• 6:21
  think
• 6:21
  are
• 6:21
  like,
• 6:22
  well,
• 6:22
  I
• 6:23
  kind
• 6:23
  of
• 6:23
  wanted
• 6:23
  that
• 6:23
  juice
• 6:24
  like
• 6:24
  right
• 6:24
  away.
• 6:24
  Maybe
• 6:25
  I'll
• 6:25
  go
• 6:25
  to
• 6:25
  the
• 6:25
  next
• 6:25
  person
• 6:26
  and
• 6:26
  he'll
• 6:26
  be
• 6:26
  able
• 6:26
  to
• 6:26
  give
• 6:27
  it
• 6:27
  to
• 6:27
  me
• 6:27
  and
• 6:27
  maybe
• 6:27
  he
• 6:27
  can,
• 6:28
  right?
• 6:29
  So
• 6:29
  when
• 6:29
  I
• 6:30
  hear
• 6:30
  American
• 6:30
  Buddhism,
• 6:31
  I'm
• 6:31
  actually
• 6:31
  very
• 6:31
  encouraged
• 6:32
  because
• 6:32
  I
• 6:33
  know
• 6:33
  many
• 6:33
  Americans
• 6:34
  that
• 6:34
  are
• 6:34
  following
• 6:34
  paths
• 6:35
  very
• 6:35
  strictly
• 6:36
  and
• 6:37
  are
• 6:37
  seeing
• 6:37
  the
• 6:37
  results
• 6:38
  of
• 6:38
  it.
• 6:39
  Okay,
• 6:40
  I
• 6:40
  have
• 6:40
  a
• 6:40
  follow
• 6:40
  up
• 6:40
  question
• 6:41
  to
• 6:41
  that.
• 6:41
  Because
• 6:44
  growing
• 6:44
  up
• 6:44
  in
• 6:45
  Western
• 6:45
  culture,
• 6:45
  consumerist
• 6:46
  culture,
• 6:47
  we
• 6:47
  are
• 6:48
  embedded,
• 6:48
  imbued
• 6:49
  with
• 6:49
  certain
• 6:50
  types
• 6:50
  of
• 6:50
  values
• 6:51
  and
• 6:51
  almost
• 6:52
  like
• 6:52
  a
• 6:52
  certain
• 6:52
  type
• 6:52
  of,
• 6:53
  type
• 6:53
  of
• 6:53
  karma.
• 6:54
  And
• 6:54
  I
• 6:54
  feel
• 6:55
  like
• 6:56
  personally
• 6:56
  I've
• 6:57
  had
• 6:57
  a
• 6:57
  journey
• 6:57
  of
• 6:59
  embracing
• 7:00
  that,
• 7:00
  coming
• 7:01
  to
• 7:01
  terms
• 7:01
  with
• 7:01
  it.
• 7:02
  You
• 7:02
  know,
• 7:02
  I
• 7:02
  think
• 7:02
  when
• 7:03
  people
• 7:03
  start
• 7:03
  on
• 7:03
  this
• 7:04
  type
• 7:04
  of
• 7:04
  path,
• 7:04
  sometimes
• 7:05
  they
• 7:05
  feel
• 7:05
  very
• 7:05
  disciplined,
• 7:06
  they
• 7:06
  want
• 7:06
  to
• 7:06
  stay
• 7:06
  above
• 7:06
  the
• 7:07
  fray.
• 7:08
  They
• 7:08
  feel
• 7:09
  like
• 7:09
  they
• 7:09
  want
• 7:09
  to
• 7:09
  shun
• 7:10
  their,
• 7:10
  their
• 7:10
  past,
• 7:11
  so
• 7:11
  to
• 7:11
  speak.
• 7:11
  That's
• 7:12
  part
• 7:12
  of
• 7:12
  where
• 7:12
  I'm
• 7:12
  coming
• 7:12
  from
• 7:12
  with
• 7:13
  this
• 7:13
  angle
• 7:13
  of
• 7:13
  American
• 7:14
  Buddhism
• 7:14
  where
• 7:16
  we
• 7:17
  can't
• 7:17
  necessarily
• 7:17
  leave
• 7:18
  it
• 7:18
  all
• 7:18
  behind.
• 7:19
  We
• 7:19
  have
• 7:20
  some
• 7:20
  karma
• 7:20
  and
• 7:21
  we
• 7:21
  have
• 7:22
  to
• 7:22
  be
• 7:22
  gentle
• 7:22
  with
• 7:22
  ourselves
• 7:23
  and
• 7:23
  embrace
• 7:23
  that
• 7:24
  and
• 7:24
  see
• 7:25
  ourselves
• 7:25
  at
• 7:25
  a
• 7:25
  higher
• 7:26
  level,
• 7:26
  but
• 7:26
  not
• 7:26
  just
• 7:27
  throw
• 7:28
  the
• 7:28
  baby
• 7:28
  out
• 7:28
  with
• 7:28
  the
• 7:28
  bathwater
• 7:29
  type
• 7:29
  of
• 7:29
  thing.
• 7:30
  What
• 7:30
  are
• 7:30
  your
• 7:30
  thoughts
• 7:31
  on
• 7:31
  that?
• 7:32
  I
• 7:32
  think
• 7:33
  that
• 7:33
  what's
• 7:34
  coming
• 7:34
  to
• 7:34
  mind
• 7:35
  is
• 7:36
  there's
• 7:37
  a
• 7:37
  mentality
• 7:37
  with
• 7:38
  many
• 7:38
  people,
• 7:38
  many
• 7:39
  Westerners
• 7:39
  that
• 7:40
  get
• 7:40
  into
• 7:40
  these
• 7:40
  spiritual
• 7:41
  paths
• 7:41
  and
• 7:41
  they
• 7:41
  have
• 7:42
  this
• 7:42
  sort
• 7:42
  of
• 7:42
  like
• 7:42
  extreme
• 7:43
  non
• 7:44
  attachment.
• 7:44
  They're
• 7:44
  like,
• 7:45
  I'm
• 7:45
  going
• 7:45
  to
• 7:45
  be
• 7:45
  the
• 7:46
  most
• 7:46
  non
• 7:46
  attached
• 7:47
  practitioner
• 7:48
  ever,
• 7:48
  right?
• 7:49
  And
• 7:49
  they're
• 7:49
  like,
• 7:49
  I'm
• 7:49
  going
• 7:49
  to.
• 7:50
  The
• 7:50
  way
• 7:50
  I'm
• 7:50
  going
• 7:50
  to
• 7:50
  be
• 7:50
  non
• 7:50
  attached
• 7:51
  is
• 7:51
  like,
• 7:51
  I'm
• 7:51
  going
• 7:51
  to
• 7:52
  be
• 7:52
  living
• 7:52
  very
• 7:53
  simply
• 7:53
  and
• 7:54
  living
• 7:54
  in
• 7:54
  the
• 7:54
  forest
• 7:54
  and
• 7:54
  I'm
• 7:55
  going
• 7:55
  to
• 7:55
  be
• 7:55
  non
• 7:55
  attached.
• 7:55
  I'm
• 7:56
  going
• 7:56
  to
• 7:56
  be
• 7:56
  so
• 7:56
  non
• 7:56
  attached.
• 7:57
  I'm
• 7:57
  just
• 7:57
  going
• 7:57
  to
• 7:57
  try
• 7:57
  really
• 7:57
  hard.
• 7:58
  They're
• 7:58
  attached
• 7:58
  to
• 7:58
  being
• 7:59
  non
• 7:59
  attached.
• 8:00
  Yeah,
• 8:00
  exactly.
• 8:01
  You
• 8:01
  create
• 8:01
  this
• 8:01
  attachment
• 8:02
  to
• 8:03
  non
• 8:03
  Attachment,
• 8:04
  but
• 8:05
  it's
• 8:05
  quite
• 8:05
  insidious
• 8:06
  because
• 8:07
  it
• 8:07
  reifies
• 8:08
  the
• 8:08
  ego
• 8:09
  in
• 8:09
  a
• 8:09
  way
• 8:09
  that
• 8:09
  is
• 8:10
  very
• 8:10
  difficult
• 8:11
  to
• 8:11
  take
• 8:11
  out.
• 8:12
  John.
• 8:12
  Well,
• 8:12
  we
• 8:12
  talked
• 8:13
  about
• 8:13
  this
• 8:13
  as
• 8:13
  spiritual
• 8:14
  bypassing.
• 8:15
  Yeah,
• 8:16
  Shankar
• 8:16
  talked
• 8:16
  about
• 8:16
  it
• 8:17
  spiritual
• 8:17
  bypassing.
• 8:18
  Nagarjuna
• 8:19
  and
• 8:19
  I
• 8:19
  think
• 8:19
  Chandrakirti,
• 8:20
  Indian
• 8:20
  philosophers,
• 8:21
  they
• 8:21
  talked
• 8:21
  about
• 8:21
  it
• 8:21
  as
• 8:21
  like,
• 8:22
  look,
• 8:22
  if
• 8:22
  you
• 8:23
  think
• 8:23
  emptiness
• 8:23
  is
• 8:23
  real,
• 8:24
  you're
• 8:25
  almost
• 8:25
  unstable.
• 8:26
  So
• 8:27
  it's,
• 8:29
  I
• 8:29
  think
• 8:30
  that
• 8:30
  anytime
• 8:31
  you
• 8:32
  are
• 8:33
  engaged,
• 8:33
  engaged
• 8:33
  in
• 8:33
  the
• 8:34
  so
• 8:34
  called
• 8:34
  battle
• 8:34
  with
• 8:35
  the
• 8:35
  ego,
• 8:35
  you
• 8:36
  actually
• 8:36
  are
• 8:36
  just
• 8:36
  giving
• 8:37
  power
• 8:37
  to
• 8:37
  the
• 8:37
  ego.
• 8:38
  And
• 8:38
  that
• 8:38
  to
• 8:39
  me
• 8:39
  that
• 8:39
  makes
• 8:39
  it
• 8:40
  seem
• 8:40
  I.
• 8:40
  That's
• 8:40
  a
• 8:41
  clear
• 8:41
  tell
• 8:41
  that
• 8:41
  you're
• 8:42
  a
• 8:42
  neophyte
• 8:42
  when
• 8:42
  it
• 8:42
  comes
• 8:43
  to
• 8:43
  actual
• 8:43
  practice.
• 8:46
  When
• 8:46
  you
• 8:47
  said,
• 8:47
  when
• 8:47
  you
• 8:47
  said
• 8:47
  if
• 8:48
  you
• 8:48
  think
• 8:48
  emptiness
• 8:48
  is
• 8:48
  real,
• 8:49
  you're
• 8:49
  in
• 8:49
  trouble
• 8:49
  type
• 8:50
  of
• 8:50
  thing,
• 8:50
  that
• 8:50
  was
• 8:50
  like,
• 8:50
  wow,
• 8:52
  that
• 8:52
  was
• 8:52
  really
• 8:52
  mind
• 8:52
  blowing,
• 8:54
  you
• 8:54
  know,
• 8:54
  because
• 8:55
  we
• 8:55
  can
• 8:55
  get
• 8:55
  into,
• 8:56
  we
• 8:56
  can
• 8:56
  get
• 8:56
  into
• 8:56
  the
• 8:57
  being
• 8:57
  and
• 8:57
  non
• 8:57
  being
• 8:58
  and
• 8:58
  we
• 8:59
  to
• 8:59
  get
• 8:59
  too
• 8:59
  esoteric,
• 9:00
  but
• 9:01
  it's,
• 9:01
  it's
• 9:02
  both
• 9:02
  real
• 9:02
  and
• 9:02
  non
• 9:02
  real
• 9:03
  at
• 9:03
  the
• 9:03
  same
• 9:03
  time.
• 9:04
  Right.
• 9:04
  And,
• 9:05
  and
• 9:05
  we
• 9:05
  can't.
• 9:06
  We,
• 9:07
  we
• 9:07
  cannot
• 9:07
  cling
• 9:08
  to
• 9:08
  it.
• 9:08
  We
• 9:08
  cannot
• 9:08
  cling
• 9:08
  to
• 9:09
  anything.
• 9:09
  Is
• 9:09
  that,
• 9:09
  is
• 9:09
  that
• 9:10
  your
• 9:10
  understanding?
• 9:11
  If
• 9:11
  we
• 9:11
  start
• 9:11
  to
• 9:11
  clean
• 9:11
  this
• 9:12
  up,
• 9:12
  Lost
• 9:12
  it.
• 9:14
  Yes.
• 9:14
  And
• 9:15
  it,
• 9:15
  and
• 9:15
  I
• 9:15
  would
• 9:15
  even
• 9:16
  go
• 9:16
  like
• 9:16
  there's
• 9:17
  something
• 9:17
  called
• 9:17
  the
• 9:17
  tetra
• 9:17
  lemma.
• 9:18
  I
• 9:18
  don't
• 9:18
  know
• 9:18
  if
• 9:18
  you
• 9:18
  remember
• 9:19
  that
• 9:19
  from
• 9:19
  like
• 9:19
  Mar.
• 9:20
  So
• 9:20
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• 9:20
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• 9:21
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• 9:21
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• 9:21
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• 9:22
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• 9:22
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• 9:23
  four
• 9:23
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• 9:23
  And
• 9:24
  it's
• 9:25
  things.
• 9:25
  But
• 9:25
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• 9:26
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• 9:26
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• 9:27
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• 9:27
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• 9:27
  things
• 9:28
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• 9:28
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• 9:29
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• 9:29
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• 9:30
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• 9:30
  Both
• 9:31
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• 9:31
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• 9:31
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• 9:32
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• 9:32
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• 9:32
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• 9:33
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• 9:33
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• 9:33
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• 9:33
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• 9:34
  So
• 9:34
  all
• 9:35
  those
• 9:35
  categories
• 9:35
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• 9:35
  like
• 9:36
  void.
• 9:36
  Right.
• 9:36
  Or
• 9:37
  are
• 9:37
  nil.
• 9:38
  And
• 9:38
  so
• 9:39
  those
• 9:39
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• 9:39
  all
• 9:39
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• 9:39
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• 9:40
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• 9:40
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• 9:40
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• 9:41
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• 9:41
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• 9:41
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• 9:42
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• 9:42
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• 9:43
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• 9:43
  the
• 9:44
  world
• 9:44
  in
• 9:44
  some
• 9:45
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• 9:45
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• 9:45
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• 9:45
  philosophical
• 9:46
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• 9:46
  When
• 9:46
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• 9:46
  reality
• 9:47
  what
• 9:48
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• 9:48
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• 9:48
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• 9:48
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• 9:49
  like
• 9:49
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• 9:49
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• 9:50
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• 9:50
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• 9:50
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• 9:50
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• 9:51
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• 9:51
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• 9:52
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• 9:52
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• 9:52
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• 9:52
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• 9:52
  World
• 9:53
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• 9:53
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• 9:53
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• 9:53
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• 9:54
  you
• 9:55
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• 9:56
  Sure.
• 9:57
  And
• 9:57
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• 9:58
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• 9:58
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• 9:58
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• 9:58
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• 9:58
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• 9:58
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• 9:59
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• 9:59
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• 9:59
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• 9:59
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• 9:59
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• 10:01
  other
• 10:01
  cultures
• 10:02
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• 10:02
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• 10:02
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• 10:02
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• 10:04
  You
• 10:04
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• 10:04
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• 10:04
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• 10:05
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• 10:05
  Exactly
• 10:06
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• 10:06
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• 10:06
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• 10:06
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• 10:07
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• 10:08
  And
• 10:08
  people
• 10:08
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• 10:09
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• 10:09
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• 10:09
  thousands
• 10:10
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• 10:10
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• 10:10
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• 10:11
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• 10:11
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• 10:11
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• 10:11
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• 10:12
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• 10:13
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• 10:13
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• 10:13
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• 10:13
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• 10:13
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• 10:14
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• 10:14
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• 10:14
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• 10:14
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• 10:15
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• 10:15
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• 10:16
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• 10:16
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• 10:16
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• 10:16
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• 10:16
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• 10:17
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• 10:17
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• 10:17
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• 10:17
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• 10:17
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• 10:18
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• 10:18
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• 10:19
  value
• 10:19
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• 10:20
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• 10:20
  this
• 10:20
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• 10:21
  So
• 10:22
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• 10:22
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• 10:22
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• 10:23
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• 10:23
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• 10:23
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• 10:23
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• 10:26
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• 10:26
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• 10:27
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• 10:27
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• 10:28
  this
• 10:29
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• 10:29
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• 10:29
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• 10:30
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• 10:30
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• 10:30
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• 10:31
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• 10:31
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• 10:32
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• 10:32
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• 10:32
  more.
• 10:34
  See,
• 10:34
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• 10:34
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• 10:35
  you
• 10:35
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• 10:35
  on
• 10:36
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• 10:36
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• 10:36
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• 10:36
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• 10:36
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• 10:37
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• 10:37
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• 10:37
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• 10:37
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• 10:37
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• 10:37
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• 10:38
  Oh
• 10:38
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• 10:38
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• 10:38
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• 10:39
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• 10:39
  coaching.
• 10:40
  Yeah.
• 10:41
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• 10:41
  philosophy
• 10:42
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• 10:42
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• 10:42
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• 10:43
  more
• 10:43
  on
• 10:43
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• 10:43
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• 10:43
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• 10:44
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• 10:44
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• 10:44
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• 10:45
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• 10:45
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• 10:45
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• 10:45
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• 10:46
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• 10:47
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• 10:47
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• 10:47
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• 10:47
  an
• 10:48
  untrained
• 10:48
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• 10:48
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• 10:48
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• 10:49
  their
• 10:49
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• 10:49
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• 10:49
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• 10:49
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• 10:50
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• 10:50
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• 10:50
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• 10:50
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• 10:51
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• 10:52
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• 10:52
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• 10:52
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• 10:52
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• 10:52
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• 10:53
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• 10:53
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• 10:53
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• 10:53
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• 10:53
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• 10:54
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• 10:54
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• 10:54
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• 10:55
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• 10:55
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• 10:55
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• 10:56
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• 10:56
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• 10:56
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• 10:56
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• 10:57
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• 10:57
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• 10:58
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• 10:58
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• 10:58
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• 10:58
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• 10:59
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• 10:59
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• 10:59
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• 10:59
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• 11:00
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• 11:00
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• 11:00
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• 11:01
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• 11:01
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• 11:01
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• 11:02
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• 11:02
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• 11:03
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• 11:03
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• 11:03
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• 11:03
  nimble
• 11:04
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• 11:05
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• 11:05
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• 11:05
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• 11:07
  systems
• 11:08
  and
• 11:08
  interconnection
• 11:09
  and
• 11:09
  that
• 11:09
  kind
• 11:09
  of
• 11:09
  thing.
• 11:09
  So
• 11:09
  you
• 11:10
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• 11:10
  more
• 11:10
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• 11:10
  that
• 11:11
  and
• 11:11
  you
• 11:11
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• 11:12
  a
• 11:12
  similar
• 11:13
  kind
• 11:13
  of
• 11:13
  result
• 11:13
  structurally.
• 11:14
  But
• 11:14
  it
• 11:14
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• 11:15
  really,
• 11:15
  like,
• 11:17
  it
• 11:17
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• 11:17
  help
• 11:17
  the
• 11:18
  individual
• 11:18
  too
• 11:18
  much,
• 11:19
  I
• 11:19
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• 11:19
  think
• 11:20
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• 11:21
  it
• 11:21
  does.
• 11:21
  You
• 11:22
  know,
• 11:22
  they're
• 11:23
  two,
• 11:23
  two
• 11:23
  separate
• 11:23
  things.
• 11:24
  I
• 11:25
  don't
• 11:25
  think
• 11:25
  anybody's
• 11:25
  ever
• 11:25
  going
• 11:25
  to
• 11:25
  get
• 11:26
  enlightened
• 11:26
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• 11:26
  the
• 11:26
  path
• 11:27
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• 11:27
  only
• 11:27
  business.
• 11:28
  You
• 11:28
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• 11:28
  have
• 11:28
  to.
• 11:29
  Well,
• 11:29
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• 11:29
  but
• 11:29
  I
• 11:30
  mean,
• 11:30
  that's
• 11:30
  partly
• 11:30
  what
• 11:31
  people
• 11:31
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• 11:31
  to
• 11:31
  you
• 11:31
  for
• 11:32
  and
• 11:32
  they're.
• 11:33
  Well,
• 11:33
  let's
• 11:34
  use
• 11:34
  a,
• 11:35
  A
• 11:36
  trigger
• 11:36
  word.
• 11:36
  They're
• 11:36
  invested
• 11:38
  and
• 11:40
  perhaps
• 11:40
  attached
• 11:41
  and
• 11:41
  they've
• 11:42
  got
• 11:42
  to
• 11:42
  go
• 11:42
  to
• 11:42
  work.
• 11:43
  I
• 11:43
  mean,
• 11:43
  that's.
• 11:44
  So
• 11:45
  that's
• 11:45
  an
• 11:45
  interesting
• 11:47
  idea
• 11:47
  about
• 11:48
  how
• 11:48
  you
• 11:48
  hold
• 11:49
  the
• 11:49
  space
• 11:49
  for
• 11:49
  them
• 11:50
  to
• 11:50
  find
• 11:52
  that
• 11:52
  what
• 11:53
  they.
• 11:53
  And
• 11:54
  does
• 11:54
  this
• 11:55
  make
• 11:55
  sense
• 11:55
  to
• 11:55
  find
• 11:56
  what
• 11:56
  they
• 11:56
  already
• 11:56
  knew?
• 11:59
  I
• 11:59
  think
• 11:59
  it
• 12:00
  makes
• 12:00
  perfect
• 12:00
  sense
• 12:00
  in
• 12:01
  one.
• 12:01
  One
• 12:01
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• 12:01
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• 12:01
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• 12:02
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• 12:03
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• 12:03
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• 12:04
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• 12:04
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• 12:04
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• 12:04
  hold
• 12:04
  for
• 12:05
  myself
• 12:05
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• 12:05
  that
• 12:05
  I
• 12:06
  am
• 12:06
  only
• 12:06
  a
• 12:07
  mirror
• 12:07
  that
• 12:07
  reveals
• 12:08
  people's
• 12:08
  limitless
• 12:09
  possibilities.
• 12:10
  Exactly.
• 12:10
  Exactly.
• 12:11
  That's
• 12:11
  really
• 12:12
  wonderful.
• 12:13
  Well,
• 12:13
  we're
• 12:14
  on
• 12:14
  the
• 12:14
  verge
• 12:15
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• 12:15
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• 12:15
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• 12:15
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• 12:15
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• 12:16
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• 12:16
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• 12:17
  all
• 12:17
  three
• 12:17
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• 12:17
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• 12:18
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• 12:18
  mirrors
• 12:18
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• 12:18
  endless
• 12:19
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• 12:19
  I'm
• 12:20
  Anthony
• 12:20
  Wright
• 12:20
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• 12:20
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• 12:21
  can
• 12:21
  contact
• 12:21
  me
• 12:21
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• 12:22
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• 12:22
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• 12:22
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• 12:26
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• 12:26
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• 12:28
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• 12:28
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• 12:28
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• 12:29
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• 12:29
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• 12:29
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• 12:29
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• 12:29
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• 12:29
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• 12:30
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• 12:30
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• 12:31
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• 12:31
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• 12:31
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• 12:33
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• 12:33
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• 12:33
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• 12:33
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• 12:34
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• 12:34
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• 12:34
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• 12:34
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• 12:41
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• 12:41
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• 12:42
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• 12:44
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• 12:57
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• 12:57
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• 12:57
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• 12:58
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• 12:58
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• 12:58
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• 12:58
  a
• 12:58
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• 12:58
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• 12:58
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• 12:59
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• 12:59
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• 12:59
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• 12:59
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• 13:00
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