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Not Us and Them—Just Us: Lessons from the Well Café | Steve Griffin · Neighbourly: Real Stories of Care and Community

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Tell me your story. And that's what people are looking for. Is there someone out
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there who actually cares about
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my story? Every one of us has a story about
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someone who showed up when it mattered most. I'm Johan,
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and this is Neighbourly, a podcast about the ordinary ways
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people show extraordinary care. Every other week,
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Shannon Steeves s sits down with someone who's lived that out.
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Real stories of faith, kindness, and community in action.
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So grab your coffee and let's join Shannon at the table.
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I'm Shannon Steeves, and this is Neighborly. Today we're
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talking about isolation, one of the quiet realities shaping
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so much pain in our communities. My guest is Steve
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Griffin, a pastor in Calgary who leads center for the City at
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Center Street Church, where he spent years walking alongside people
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on the margins and creating spaces where isolation gives
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way to belonging. In this conversation, Steve invites us
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to rethink what it looks like to love our neighbor. Not by
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fixing, but by showing up. Okay, Steve. Well, thank you so
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much for coming on this podcast. Can't wait to chat with you
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today. Every episode, we start with a little icebreaker question
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just to kind of level things. So I'd love to hear who was a
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neighbor for you growing up that you will never forget?
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Yeah, it's probably a little bit of a different story,
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Shannon. I. I grew up in a neighborhood. I grew up in Ontario,
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originally from Ontario. There was a. A
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single mom, actually an older woman, that had one son and lived in a
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house in our neighborhood. And the house, you know, it looked like
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almost like it was a haunted house. It was boarded up and so on. And
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so. So I think she and her son, you know, there was just a lot
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of teasing and that kind of thing. And then one day, her son was actually
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beat up at school fairly badly. And one of
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the parents in the neighborhood said, you know, we're gonna do something about this, and
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reached out to that woman and then began a relationship, and that really
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changed things. And then the woman began to get quite involved in the neighborhood
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with other people. And we began to find that, you know, this really was
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a sweet person who'd had some very difficult circumstances.
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And to me, I tell that story because to me, that's a
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picture of what neighborhood can be moving us
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beyond, you know, sort of preconceived notions or judgments or
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prejudices or whatever the case may be. So that. Yeah, I'll never forget that kind
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of circumstance. That's beautiful. And I love that.
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Not just neighborhood's not just a physical place. It's also kind of this I
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guess concept, right. And this place of being
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and belonging, that's a really, I think,
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thought provoking example that so many of us can, can just think
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on. So I, and I think that's a great segue. Can you share a little
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bit more of your story and just how you got first
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connected to kind of the work that you do now?
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Yeah, it's a bit of a long, winding story. I would say
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that the place that I, that I came to
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was an understanding just through the various
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circumstances in life that I just was just very much
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called to a work with those in poverty. And so I for
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a long time was a pastor sort of in suburbia
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in the west, in Alberta, and really had nothing at all
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to do with vulnerable people and just went
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through some personal circumstances where, where I took on
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a different role at Mustard Seed Ministry here
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in Calgary and in Alberta, working with those who were homeless
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and then eventually just really felt God lead me to bring that
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world into the local church. And so I work church
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called Center Street Church, Calgary, one of Canada's largest churches.
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And we've built there over the last number of years a ministry center that
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ministers to new immigrants and refugees and ministers to
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those in poverty. And so we work with, we connect with about
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1800 people a month. And one of the
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pieces that I think just really connects with your question
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is, and this podcast, quite frankly, is
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that the work that we do is within a cafe setting
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with those in poverty. And we call those that come their neighbors.
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And so that is kind of how we refer to them. And it really is
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about building. And so that's kind of
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impacts all that we do, including the work with new immigrants and
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refugees. But I really do feel that that is my primary call to
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really build a place of belonging
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and gathering for those in
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poverty so that they truly live out
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that reality that we are all neighbors, that we're tearing those walls down. And
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so I work in lead a ministry center called center for the City
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and lots of people come, as I mentioned. But. But it just really, that
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is what in ministry and mission, this is where I want to be. This is.
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These are the things I want to be doing. Wow. Well, there's so many, so
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many more questions I want to ask, but I think the first thing that really
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sticks out to me is when it comes to
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outreach ministries and especially in the church, I think
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we've seen a lot of variation throughout decades
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and in different contexts of what that can look like, at least
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that's been my experience that in some spaces
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it's you know, a food hamper. In some spaces, it's,
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you know, maybe a foster care ministry or whatever. But I think
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the way you have brought a vision into
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your church and to do that in such a relational,
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dignifying way, like you said, through a cafe setting, I think
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is really, really impactful and really
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the direction that I believe personally, we,
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as. As believers should be, should be going, that it's
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not just about providing the physical and the tangible things. It's
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also about the relational connection. And I don't think those really should be
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separated. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So I guess I want to hear
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more about that in your heart of bringing that into the
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church and helping, you know, the big C church kind of understand
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that maybe different way of. Of ministry. Can you speak to that a little
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bit? Yeah, yeah. I think the reality. We're in a
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large city and we're in a very large church, and I think the. The
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church has had, by intention, has
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had an investment or has desired an investment that, that
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everyone who. Who calls himself a citizen or
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is a part of the city, you know, that there is a place
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for them. And I think to me that just connects
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perfectly with my own calling and my own sense
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of the fact that this is what church should be.
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And we don't enter this in terms of, well, these are
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the many people that need to come in faith in Christ. And these are the
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things that we want to see in terms of what people are doing and how
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they're engaging in the church generally, but rather that there is
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place and that there is space
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for people to come to know that they can be fully who they
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are. And you mentioned the word dignity, so that there's
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dignity there. And there's an opportunity to say that
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no matter where you have come from, this is
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a place where you can connect in. And so what we hear from people
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all the time, and as I mentioned, we worked with hundreds of people, is
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this is my family. This is like family. This is my family.
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This is my home. Not this is like a home, but this is my home.
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And so people begin to connect in that way. And I
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think that, you know, psychologists say the number
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one problem in our society for those who are vulnerable is not.
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It's not housing, it's not food, it's not clothing, it's
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isolation. That's the number one issue that people have.
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And so. So I think there really is a call here in our. In our
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community, which we call the well Cafe, and drawing that from the idea
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of living water in the well. And that's that's where that's. That's drawn from,
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that truly, we want a place where people feel,
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well, maybe I can walk out of isolation and maybe I can walk out of
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some pain in my life. And as I sit around
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tables and as I connect with other people, which includes
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people, you know, from the community and people that might be volunteers here and that
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kind of thing, then that starts to make a difference. And I think
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that that is representative of what Jesus
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is calling the church to be. There is a place for everyone. And
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one of the examples I use often,
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as I've taught, especially in the last year in this is Zacchaeus and
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Jesus. Jesus looks at Zacchaeus up in the tree, the story,
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and says, I am eating at your house today. Come down. We're going to your
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house. So we don't hear more of this story, but to project
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that he's sitting at a table with Zacchaeus in his house, looking
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face to face, eye to eye, and beginning to tell
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me your story. And that's what people are looking for. Is there someone out there
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who actually cares about my story?
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You know, I was so moved at one point by a
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conversation I had with someone who is homeless. And I
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said, you know, what do you need? Like, what's the number one thing you would
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need in your life? And he said, that someone would want to have a conversation
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with me. I love that. That's my dream. And, like,
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that's heartbreaking beyond all comprehension,
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but that, you know, that kind of idea. So I think that
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that is what we. Jesus intends us to be,
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you know, the church to be. I love those stories and those specific
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examples that you've shared that really kind of made me think about this
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next question of. Has over time, have there been
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certain instances or conversations you've had with people that have
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confronted or challenged maybe some of your own
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comfortability or your own assumptions about what
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people need? Oh, yeah, I think. Yeah. You
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know, I think often, and I think the mistake that I made,
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even going in, even. Even having worked at the Mustard Seed, and it's. It's
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a. It's a ministry of the homeless and pretty well known
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out here. You know, you kind of think, oh, well, I
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know it. You know, I kind of know what it's like to work with, yeah.
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Homeless people and vulnerable people and so on. And I think
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what we learn and what I've learned at center street
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in terms of what we built over the last nine years is just really to
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not make assumptions about who someone is who's
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vulnerable or in poverty or what they're going through. And
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I'm very careful to never say, you know, I. That I can
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identify with someone because I can't. I can try and understand.
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And we can only minister to people that we are at least trying to understand
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where they're coming from, but I can't identify. And, you know, I think the
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reality is, is that some of the stories are
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so outside my own context
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that the number one thing I've had to learn to do is to put aside
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any kind of preconceived sort of notions, right? And, and just
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listen, right? And. And that's, that's the number one thing we can do rather than
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saying sitting down with somebody going, okay, well, you know, what do you need? And
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let me try, you know, and I think the thing is, is just, you know,
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again, it's. It's. I just need to listen to someone's story and,
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and I'll listen to it. And, you know, I guess it's active listening right now.
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Listen to it in the sense. Well, okay, I'm. I'm calculating what, you know, I
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need to say next or. But to just really realize
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that, you know, tell me kind of what that
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journey's been like for you. And I want to just let you know that
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we're here for you. And I think the picture, the picture
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I'm really trying to present, most of all, it's not about sitting
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down with someone. And I've got all the answers for your life that's going to
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change your life in some incredible ways. Because I'm not your hero. There's
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only one hero, and that's, of course, Jesus. You know, I might
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be a guide in some ways, but really what we're trying to present to people
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is Jesus is sitting here at this table with us. And so
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Jesus is the one that will really minister to what you
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need and to who you are and so on. And I think we
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have to approach it in that way because as I said, so many
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stories are outside of context and so many stories are
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so deeply heartbreaking that
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some of them, even when you first hear certain stories, you kind of. I don't
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even know if I can even believe this. And then you realize,
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of course, that. That because of the pain you're seeing,
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that it is something that's true. But
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I think that's the focus. It really is just that focus of being there
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in those ways. It's so simple,
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right? And yet sometimes we
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just want to share what we think is best. And time and time
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again, thankfully with the Holy Spirit and remind us that
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that's not the point. It's just like you said, just being.
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And just being a safe, listening ear
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for somebody. Absolutely. Yeah. You mentioned a little bit ago you talked about
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volunteers, and I'd love to hear more about
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what that, I guess it looks like at the center
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because, you know, we're really, as a podcast,
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but as an organization, we really want to help, you know, average, ordinary
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people see their. Their call to
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love their neighbor. And I guess not just see that, but step
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into that in practical ways. And can you share what
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does. I guess what does volunteering look like at the center? But also, how
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have you helped coach and develop people as you've been
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learning and growing yourself with serving those that are
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in poverty? Well, I wrote a
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book that was one thing I did. It's called Come to
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the Mobilizing the Church to Love on the Margins.
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And the book was written. It's the second book I've written in
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this kind of context, but it really was written
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to help people understand what it
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is to sit down at tables with people in poverty and
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to just get to know them and to enter in and recognize that we
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receive as much, if not far more, than they ever receive from us,
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that kind of idea. And so I think the volunteer piece is
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the first thing for us, and it takes time to do
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that, but it's to really build
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a unified team element. So people move away
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from this idea, which we have heard so much at
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different times. Hey, you know, here's something that I'm going to
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offer to someone in poverty, and it's just going to. It's going to
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change their life. They need me, and I can offer this and so on. And
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really trying to steer people away from that as we mentor them
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and saying, you know, we are. The Bible says that God is
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no respecter of persons. That means we are all equal in God's sight. And this
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idea that when we're coming into this setting in this.
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In this example, you know, the well Cafe is that we are
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just one people and we're together. You know, we're a missional community
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together, and we're just learning from each other and we're trying to grow
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along with each other, and we need to be here with each other for the
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long haul. And so I think that's the most important thing because I think that
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people want to. We're a large church, and there's kind of two really
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big areas in which you can volunteer in this church, and that's with children's ministries
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and not everybody has children, so on, so they want to be involved in that.
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And the other is this area center for the city. And I
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think we're trying to get people's minds away from. Oh, well, you
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know, I feel like I should volunteer someplace because, you know, the
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preaching pastor said I should, or whatever the case may be, move
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people away from this to the reality of call. You
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either have a call or you'd like to explore a call of what it is
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to walk with the poor. And again, walking with the poor is there for the.
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You're there for the long haul, and you're there to invest
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and build relationship and have them do the same with you. Right.
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And so I think we've really. We started very, very
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small, the cafe kind of setting. We started in 2018. We had 20
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people and three volunteers attending. Now we do a hot meal twice a
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week. We see 700 people come. And I have 190 volunteers
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involved in that. And it really has just been that slow building
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of. This is the work. This is what it means. It's
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not about doing something. It's about being called into
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something. Right. And so I think that that's, you know, and so the book that
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I wrote is really just anybody who's not involved in that and wonders if
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that's for them. You know, it's an encouragement in that way.
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The first thing that I make mention of in the book is the fact that,
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well, we're actually all called to minister to the poor. It's very clear in the
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gospel. So there's that. Right. But how we do that is. Is,
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you know, different for each person. But. But yeah, so I think that's what we're
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really trying to, you know, and I think that I mentioned a little bit before,
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too, but us versus them want to tear
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down that wall completely. This is us. This is us
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together. This is. This is. We're just journeying together in something,
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and Jesus is there in the midst of it. Mm,
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that's so good. I. I love what you said that it's really
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not a question of if we're called. It's more so just
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how. How God is asking us to step into
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walking with the vulnerable people in our lives
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or maybe just starting by being around people, stepping
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outside of our. Our bubbles and our. Our comfort zones and
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all those things. Absolutely. I wanted to just
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ask. You mentioned a few stories. Is there any. Any other
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stories that you feel like you want to share that really capture the
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heart of. Of why the center exists or
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just how You've seen that growth and development over
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time. Anything that comes to mind. I. Well, I think there's,
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like there, there are many, you know, and I think we, we. And
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I'll mention, you know, one or two specific. But I think
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one of the line. One of the kind of taglines we've used from time
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to time is everything we do rises and falls on
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story, right? You know, on people's story, we got numbers, we got
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larger numbers and so on, but the numbers really don't matter. It
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doesn't matter if there's 20 or there's 200 or whatever that
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number is. It really is a ministry that
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focuses on people kind of one at a time, right? And that's
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kind of where we want to be. What, you know, where are you at? And
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so I mentioned story. And so we, we kind of use these three elements
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where we say, you know, tell us your story, and we'd love to have an
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opportunity to share our story, you know, why we're here, as well as. As a
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volunteer, whatever the case may be, and then join his story. Join the fact
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that God has a story for you, you know, that, that. And God is
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leading you into that story. And, you know, I think it's. If people
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find a place even when they're in the midst
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of a very, very broken story, and yet they know
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I need to keep coming here because there's enough
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here that connects with me. And so I think one of the most
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dramatic stories in the last few
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years as being I was dealing with
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someone. We had an ongoing kind of connection and
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relationship. And he kept coming. He'd come for meals and so on. And one
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day I just sat down, had a deeper conversation with
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him, and he told me a story
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of child sexual abuse that was
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beyond. Was heartbreaking. It was, you know, he went into.
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He went into some. Some graphic kind of detail and,
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and didn't even tell me the whole thing. And. And then he said to me,
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I don't know where God was when that happened. And I feel like
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God has let me down, and I don't know if I can ever
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forgive God for that. And I just felt by the Holy Spirit to ask
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him a question. I said, well, then why are you here? Like, why do
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you come here? Right? Because he came to the cafe and he was also actually
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attending worship services at our church. And
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he said, because I believe that if I have the
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opportunity to find God, if there's a place where he is, it has
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to be here. And just in terms of what he experienced out
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of community. And so he's searching for
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God there, you know, and so I think
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stories like that, which are difficult stories,
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and a lot of the stories which are the really important stories are
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difficult stories. It just is, you know, and we hear stories
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where people are not, you know, having as deep a level
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of kind of brokenness or difficulty, and they're coming and they're being a part of
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things, and they may be low income and so on, but I think what those
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stories do is they really show us that
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God is present and God exists in this place. And.
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And, you know, I. I was dealing with, or just
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ministering to and walking with an indigenous gentleman
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and. And had committed his life to Christ, but
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was. Was still in. In alcohol addiction
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and was struggling. And so he'd show up every once in a while and come
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to sometimes not so much at the cafe, but at the
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church, and we'd have conversations and we'd connect and so on. And
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then he said, you know, I really need some food. And I said, well, I'll
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get an emergency hamper together for you and meet me at the church. And
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he didn't show up. And then about 10 days later,
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a gentleman came to me and he said,
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I need to see Pastor Steve. And I said, well, that's me. How can I
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help you? And he said, can we sit down and talk? And I said,
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yeah. And so we sat down and he said,
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I'm this gentleman whose name was Blair. I'm this gentleman's.
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He's my brother. And we lived together. And I went home the other night and
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found him passed away. And he said, I need to come and find you.
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I need to talk to you right away, because I just want to let you
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know that Blair struggled his whole life not finding.
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Not finding belonging anywhere, not finding that he's a part of things anywhere
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and struggled in this brokenness, struggled in this addiction
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until he came to the well and he said, I want to let you know
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that that was his family, that that was the only place he found where he
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had meaning. And, you know, like, stories like that, they're hard to
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hear. And what I mean by that is it's hard to
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even take in that what we are doing has
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that kind of impact until you stand back and go, well, this isn't us.
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Yeah, this isn't us. This is Jesus. This is the Holy Spirit
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at work. And this is what God does. That God does
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every single day with hundreds of
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people here, hundreds of people in Winnipeg, hundreds of people right across
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our country. Right? You know, and I think those are the kinds of stories that
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we want to continue to hear. And there's just. There's. There's more
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and more and more of those kinds of stories where. Where either
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there's those very hard things or people just simply say, as I
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mentioned earlier, you know what, this is a place of belonging for me.
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And one of the things that we really have focused on, I think, in
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the last year, is that we were a place of rescue.
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So that when people come out of wherever they've been in brokenness,
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that as they sit at a table with other people or they get clothing in
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a line or whatever the case may be, what they.
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They come to understand is that rescue, which can then lead
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to reconciliation, which can then lead to restoration.
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That. That is a possibility. And it's a possibility
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because of community. Right. And we use this,
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you know, and we call people that we serve
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neighbors because we really care about the fact that
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we're not just focused on what happens within a cafe,
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within a church building, but we're really concerned about a church
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without walls, where we're looking into the community and saying, this
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happens in neighborhoods. That's where it starts.
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My dream is that people that we minister to will leave
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the cafe, still continue to attend there, but when they leave,
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they go into their own places where they live and most are housed,
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and they, you know, they. They minister and connect
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with other people in those ways in neighborhoods. Right. So,
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wow. So profound and this
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deeply, deeply relational. Our director, Wendy, she
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always says she even finds that it's not a lack of
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resources that are out there, but a lack of connection. The
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resources get found one way or another. People give or whatever it
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might be. But when there's connection,
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that transforms so much.
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Another episode of a podcast I talked about with somebody, they talked about
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just saying yes to, you know, when God asks us to move our
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feet or to. To take a step. And so I think
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my last question really is. Is about that, that
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for people who are listening to this and are stirred by what
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these stories you've been. You've been sharing, but maybe aren't in a, you
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know, a pastoral position like you or in an organization like myself,
25:40
in doing this kind of work full time, what does it look
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like for them, for the average family or
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young adults or older adults or whoever, I guess, who don't
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know where to start, what would you encourage them to do?
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You know, I think the very beginning point
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is to just be aware to. To just open our eyes as
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believers, as Christ followers, and see what's around us. And
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so really, when I talk about neighborhoods, that's where it is as neighbors
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in neighborhoods. What's happening? Who am I seeing
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on the street? Who am I seeing in the grocery store? What kind of
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stories am I picking up on? All of those kinds of things. And I
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think that this idea of walking with the poor or walking with those
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and vulnerable is just paying attention and saying, is there some way that,
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yeah, I can pray for someone, I can have a, a kind word
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for someone. You know, so many people that, that, you know, if
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you situation, you see someone panhandling on the street or, or something
26:40
like that, that's the, you know, in traffic, doing that or, or whatever. I
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mean, often there's just so much fear in even saying hello to
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someone, you know, and, and, and talking to them and maybe getting a bit of
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their story and so on. So, so I think that that's the place that,
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that we start where we just, we're aware of that and we're looking around this.
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What does that mean within neighborhoods? Because we don't live in a
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society as much as we once did, where we are
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aware of, even on our street, right? Who are our neighbors on our street and
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who are we connecting with? And so we don't. We tend to retreat into our
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homes and that kind of thing. So I think that's the first thing, and I
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think the next thing is it doesn't matter where you do it. I
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think the, the reality is that when we're talking about those who
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are vulnerable, whatever that vulnerability looks like,
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that we simply want to befriend those people and find
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ways. And so sometimes that's a case of going to where they are. And
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so, yeah, volunteering is very locally, and we can do
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that kind of in a number of different contexts and so on.
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But again, it's this idea where Jesus says, the
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poor you will always have with you. So what does that mean? Is Jesus
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saying, well, okay, so ignore them? No, he's definitely not saying that.
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Is he saying, be aware of them? Yes, he's saying that. And he's
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saying, is there some way in which you can connect
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with them and make a difference with them? Because guess what?
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And this is the other kind of piece of that is that you also are
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poor. We're all poor. We're all broken. We're all in
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need of things. We all have these things that we've struggled with and that we
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need to work through. And there have been times for all of
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us in our lives where someone has been there, right? And so it just really
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is that. It's being there. And so being aware, being there. Finding ways
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in which we can just go and just make a difference. You
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know, again, it's that moving out of isolation and out of pain and into
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connection. So. And it doesn't take being a pastor. It doesn't even take being part
28:38
of a formal ministry. It really takes just, where is Jesus going to
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use me today? Right. And. And I get up. I. I don't really.
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I don't focus, to be honest. We have a fair, large ministry and
28:50
so on. I don't really focus on leadership, and I don't really focus
28:54
on that piece. What I really focus on is service. I get up every
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morning and. And my prayer to God every morning is, show me how
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you want me to serve, where you're having me serve today. Right. What does
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that look like? You know, as opposed to, hey, I'm the boss and I'm,
29:09
you know, whatever, you know, nobody calls me
29:13
boss, by the way. So, you know, just go in and let's
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just serve together. And I think there is nothing more critical
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that we all grab ahold of from the Gospels than
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that Jesus came as one to serve,
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and we are called to serve, and we need to find where that service
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is for each of us. Yeah. Amen. Thank you. Thank
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you so much for that. If people want to learn more about
29:39
the center, how can they do that? So you can go to
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cschurch ca, which is our general
29:46
website, and you'll find a button there that says center for the
29:50
City. And so just click on that button and it'll bring out
29:54
all the information and contact all the things that
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we do. It's all going to be there. Yeah. Is there anything else you want
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to share, Steve? Anything that you feel like is on your heart? I
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think just. And, Shannon, thank you for some of those questions. And I
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think that is my heartbeat coming out of those questions that
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people would be leaning into Jesus and
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praying about. What does it look like for me? Because
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God has called us all to walk with those who are in
30:23
poverty, walk with those who are vulnerable, walk with those in need. What
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does that look like for me, right where I live, right where I
30:31
am, and God, would you show me that? And so I think that that's.
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I think that that's really just my encouragement to people to really lean into
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that and know that God, you know, God has something there for you.
30:42
There's a biblical principle that people sometimes
30:46
get wrong, and they say, well, if God calls me
30:49
to something and I don't do it, then someone else will do it. And actually
30:53
that's unbiblical. If God calls you to something and you don't do it, you
30:57
it won't get done because it was for you and God had
31:01
a specific purpose for you. And then there's judgment for the
31:04
fact that we didn't do that. Right, that we were disobedient. And so I think
31:08
that's the great place for
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us to be, to really think, yes, God has something for
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me, Father God, show me what that is so I can lean
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into it. Amazing. Thank you so much, Pastor
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Steve. I have been so blessed this conversation and I know so
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many others will be as well. Thanks Shannon. I love being with
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Turning over tables Tearing down
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walls Building up the
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bridges between the stones
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of these Turning over tables
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Breaking off chains When I see you
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in a stranger I'm no longer a
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slave.
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Between us all.