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How Long Can Media Attack Biden, plus 'Do Not Disturb POTUS' & Can Cabinet Invoke 25th Amendment Week In Review · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome.
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  Speaker 2: It is verdict with Ted Cruz, we can review Ben
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  Speaker 2: Ferguson with you and my oh my DoD. We have
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  Speaker 2: some big stories that we talked about this week that
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  Speaker 2: you may have missed. First up, how long can the
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  Speaker 2: media go after Joe Biden before they have to get
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  Speaker 2: back in line. We'll explain the timeline for this. And
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  Speaker 2: right now they're not liking Joe Biden at all. Plus
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  Speaker 2: we've now been told that after eight o'clock at night, well,
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  Speaker 2: there's a team around Joe Biden that can help if
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  Speaker 2: anything happens. Is that actually how the presidency's supposed to work.
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  Speaker 2: Will dive into that, because apparently he's put his life
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  Speaker 2: on do not disturb. And finally, is the cabinet actually
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  Speaker 2: looking at the twenty fifth Amendment to get rid of
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  Speaker 2: Joe Biden.
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  Speaker 1: It's the weekend review and it starts right now.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, look, I do this fair amount with people
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  Speaker 2: that I interview right over the years, and I've had
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  Speaker 2: campaigns or offices say, hey, the Senator or the congressman
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  Speaker 2: or the governor has as this piece of legislation, Uh,
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  Speaker 2: if you'd please ask them a question about that. It's
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  Speaker 2: something it's very important and then it's going to be introduced.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm fine with that. But if you gave me
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  Speaker 2: four questions to ask and said you get them only,
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  Speaker 2: if you asked these four questions and these four questions only,
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  Speaker 2: I would tell them to pound sand no matter who
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  Speaker 2: it was, because that's not doing an interview. That's that
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  Speaker 2: that that's a scripted moment. You might as well just
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  Speaker 2: have the President sit there at the White House and say,
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  Speaker 2: here are the four questions are going to answer today
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  Speaker 2: that I chose.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, it's I've done hundreds of interviews, if not
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  Speaker 3: maybe thousands of interviews. I've done a crap ton of interviews. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: to the best of my knowledge, I've certainly never submitted questions.
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  Speaker 3: The best of my knowledge, no one on my team has. Now,
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  Speaker 3: what is typical is what you just said. If you're
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  Speaker 3: doing an interview. Let's say I'm going on Hannity, it's
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  Speaker 3: typical that that that my press team will talk with
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  Speaker 3: Hannity's producers and they'll discuss some topics. So if you're
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  Speaker 3: going to talk about the Biden debate, or if you're
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  Speaker 3: going to talk about illegal immigration, or sometimes there's some
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  Speaker 3: story that just broke of like you know, or the
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  Speaker 3: terrorist you know, being the eight terrorists suspected terrorists from
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  Speaker 3: Tajikistan just released. If there's a story that just broke,
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  Speaker 3: the producer will tell my press team, Hey, Sean wants
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  Speaker 3: to ask about this.
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  Speaker 1: That's typical.
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  Speaker 3: So you have some idea what the topic is you're discussing,
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  Speaker 3: so that you can be prepared. But I'll tell you
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  Speaker 3: my guess is of the interviews I do, at least
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  Speaker 3: half of them, they asked me something that is not
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  Speaker 3: a topic that they mentioned at all. So you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's helpful to have. Okay, if we're going to do Israel,
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  Speaker 3: I should probably be up on the latest developments of
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  Speaker 3: what's happened on Israel in the last few days.
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  Speaker 1: But it is an absolute.
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  Speaker 3: Violation of journalistic ethics and norms to simply read the
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  Speaker 3: questions the campaign and and and the absolute arrogance that
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  Speaker 3: the Biden campaign has that they they fully assume that
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  Speaker 3: that that that fake journalist will be more than happy
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  Speaker 3: to comply.
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  Speaker 2: Sara, I got two more questions for you, and it
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  Speaker 2: deals again with the media. One, the media hypocrisy, I
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  Speaker 2: think is an all time high. But how long until
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  Speaker 2: the media gets back in line and it's business as usual.
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  Speaker 2: How many more days can they continue to go after
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  Speaker 2: Joe Biden if he refuses to drop out?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think the instant Biden is out and they
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  Speaker 3: coordinate the next person, then the media will absolutely fall
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  Speaker 3: in line and it will become a straight on cheerleading.
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  Speaker 3: It will be hallelujah, hallelujah. The problems are all solved.
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  Speaker 3: Now we must all vote for either Kamalo or Michelle
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  Speaker 3: Obama and and save America and and stop stop Orange
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  Speaker 3: man bad. I mean, and the it would be instantaneous.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, let me make a couple of quick
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  Speaker 3: more observations on that point. You know, as you and
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  Speaker 3: I were talking about doing interviews and getting questions ahead
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  Speaker 3: of time, as I said, I've done a gazillion of
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  Speaker 3: them and and and have not had the questions ahead
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  Speaker 3: of time. But you know, I was actually thinking about it.
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  Speaker 3: On this podcast, we've interviewed a bunch of folks. Now
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  Speaker 3: I'm not a journalist, I don't pretend to be a journalist,
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  Speaker 3: but even when we interview people on this podcast, we've
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  Speaker 3: never given people questions ahead of time. And I actually
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  Speaker 3: thought back to it to an interview that that that
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  Speaker 3: that on this podcast. Actually, but before you were my
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  Speaker 3: co host, what it was Michael Doles and me where
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  Speaker 3: we interviewed Bill Barr. And we interviewed Bill Barr at
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  Speaker 3: the Department of Justice. He was the sitting Attorney General.
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  Speaker 3: And it was interesting. His communication staff was really freaked
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  Speaker 3: out and they were like, Okay, well, well how's this
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  Speaker 3: going to be? And listen, I've known Bill for twenty
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  Speaker 3: years and we're friends, and I'm telling him, relax, I'm
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  Speaker 3: not I'm not gonna play games. This, this is not
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  Speaker 3: this is not a gotcha interview. This is not trying
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  Speaker 3: to you know, go stick it to him. And I didn't,
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  Speaker 3: but it ended up being It was one of our
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  Speaker 3: most listened podcasts we've ever done, in part because Bill
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  Speaker 3: was someone who would come across on TV as pretty
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  Speaker 3: stiff and tight and you know, very controlled, and because
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  Speaker 3: he and I are friends, he was relaxed and we
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  Speaker 3: were cutting up and Bill as funny as hell. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: he has this wickedly sarcastic sense of humor, and it
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  Speaker 3: came out. We had a great free ranging interview. Then
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  Speaker 3: look what a podcast is good? It sounds like a
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  Speaker 3: couple of guys sitting at a cafe, having dinner and
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  Speaker 3: just shooting the breeze talking about what's going on. But
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  Speaker 3: even then, with someone I'd known twenty years, I don't
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  Speaker 3: even think I told him the topics we were going
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  Speaker 3: to discuss. We just sat down and now I wasn't
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  Speaker 3: playing gotcha games, but that's what we did. But let
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  Speaker 3: me make a second point about just how astonishingly rapidly
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  Speaker 3: the media can do one hundred and eighty degree reversal.
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  Speaker 3: So on this podcast, we've talked a lot about Hunter
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  Speaker 3: Biden and the whole Hunter Biden investigations and the trials,
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  Speaker 3: and for months and months and months and for years
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  Speaker 3: and years and years, the White House narrative and the
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  Speaker 3: corporate media narrative was Hunter is a poor, troubled son.
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  Speaker 3: He struggles with substance abuse, He's a sad soul, and
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  Speaker 3: just it's all about him. But they've said he has nothing, nothing,
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  Speaker 3: nothing to do with the White House. No, no, no, no, no, no. Hunter,
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  Speaker 3: when he was making millions of dollars from every corrupt
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  Speaker 3: oligarch in, every enemy of America across the planet, whether
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  Speaker 3: the Chinese Communists or the Russians or what have you,
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  Speaker 3: that had nothing to do with favors from Papa Joe. No, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 3: Hunter is not at all connected to Joe Biden or
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  Speaker 3: the White House. That's been there their relentless talking point
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  Speaker 3: for years.
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  Speaker 1: Correct.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, all right, I want to read you this paragraph
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  Speaker 3: from Axios on July seventh, behind the Curtain on bendable
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  Speaker 3: Biden versus breaking Point dams quote. We're now in uncharted
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  Speaker 3: historic waters. President Biden, backed by First Lady Jill Biden,
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  Speaker 3: and his convicted son Hunter, who's serving as de facto
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  Speaker 3: gatekeeper to his dad, says that nothing besides an act
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  Speaker 3: of God will persuade him to quit his re election campaign. So,
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  Speaker 3: without missing a beat, the corporate media can now suddenly
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  Speaker 3: admit Hunter is quote de facto gatekeeper to his dad.
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  Speaker 3: This is the same Hunter who about twelve minutes ago
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  Speaker 3: their walking storyline was no, no, no, Hunter's never met
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  Speaker 3: Joe Biden. I'm sorry they have nothing to do. He
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  Speaker 3: doesn't even know where the White House is. No, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 3: pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. This
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  Speaker 3: is not about Joe Biden and his corruption.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the media. They'll get back in line soon,
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  Speaker 2: don't worry. I against it, Yeah, I give him a
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  Speaker 2: week and a half, two weeks, and then they'll start
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  Speaker 2: dialing back the full court press to get Biden out,
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  Speaker 2: because they're then going to be afraid maybe we can't
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  Speaker 2: get rid of him by when we want to.
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  Speaker 1: So we got to pull back a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: And I think going into these conventions coming up, it's
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  Speaker 2: going to be very interesting to see how they even
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  Speaker 2: deal with him. If Joe Biden's still there at the
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  Speaker 2: convention and he's quote still the guy.
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  Speaker 1: I also think this. I gotta ask him on his question.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think Donald Trump is going to have to,
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  Speaker 2: in essence, just put the VP pick on hold until
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  Speaker 2: they figure out who they're running against?
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  Speaker 3: That is an awfully good question.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, Luke away from you and
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  Speaker 2: I go into the convention. Yeah, yeah, we have no
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  Speaker 2: idea who the VP candidate is, and I'm not sure
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  Speaker 2: he does either.
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  Speaker 3: Look, I it is not a crazy question to ask.
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  Speaker 3: The Trump campaign has said repeatedly that they'll announce the
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  Speaker 3: VP by the convention, and you know, usually the VP
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  Speaker 3: gives a big speech at the convention the day before
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  Speaker 3: the the president does. It is a tricky question because
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  Speaker 3: if you don't know who you're running against. That is
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  Speaker 3: certainly a real factor in trying to decide who VP is.
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  Speaker 3: It would I have not looked at the legal questions
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  Speaker 3: at how complicated it would be to dame a VP
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  Speaker 3: after the convention, but it would not be insane for
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  Speaker 3: Trump to delay that choice until he has some real
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  Speaker 3: confidence who his opponent's going to be.
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  Speaker 2: Now, if you want to hear the rest of this conversation,
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  Speaker 2: you can go back and listen to the full podcast
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  Speaker 2: from earlier this week. Now onto story number two, the
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  Speaker 2: President sending the notes. You have the squad that's backed
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  Speaker 2: in the Congressional Black Caucus is saying, hey, we need
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  Speaker 2: to put this all to bed. Joe's our guide. Joe's
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  Speaker 2: made it clear, Hey, I'm not going anywhere. He did
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  Speaker 2: that on Morning Joe. We mentioned that in the last part,
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  Speaker 2: I think. And then you've got this going on with
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  Speaker 2: the media. They're still putting the four court Press here
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  Speaker 2: saying he's a White House lying to you. But we're
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  Speaker 2: going to prove it in essence, and that's why they
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  Speaker 2: do this long interview. Now, you gotta look at the calendar.
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  Speaker 2: Joe Biden is supposed to be on the debate stage
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  Speaker 2: with Donald Trump September tenth on ABC News. ABC News,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, has been attacking the president as well.
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  Speaker 2: Stephanopoulos said after doing the interview with the President that
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  Speaker 2: was supposed to quote save him the other day, that
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  Speaker 2: he said, there's no way he believes the president could
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  Speaker 2: serve for another four years.
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  Speaker 1: Does he show up with this debate? Does he cancel it?
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  Speaker 2: Does he have to show up to have a chance
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  Speaker 2: in hell in November if he's still the nominee.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't believe there will be a debate between
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  Speaker 3: Donald Trump and Joe Biden in September. I don't think
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  Speaker 3: it'll happen now. Look, I don't think Joe Biden will
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  Speaker 3: be the nominee in September. I continue to believe there's
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  Speaker 3: an eighty percent chance that he's not the nominee. He's
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  Speaker 3: digging in, he's holding on with all of his might.
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  Speaker 3: But all right, here's another story that shows the press
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  Speaker 3: turning on him. This is from the Wall Street Journal quote.
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  Speaker 3: German officials, aware of Biden's fatigue at night, sought to
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  Speaker 3: accommodate the president by planning a June twenty twenty two
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  Speaker 3: event with German Chancellor Olaf Schultz in the early evening.
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  Speaker 3: The informal event, a soiree at the alpine resort Schlas
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  Speaker 3: el Maou during the Group of Seven summit, was arranged
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  Speaker 3: as a confidential meeting on Ukraine in a relaxed setting.
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  Speaker 3: Biden didn't show, surprising the Chancellor and his aides. Officials said. Instead,
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  Speaker 3: Secretary of State Antony Blinkett arrived and announced that Biden
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  Speaker 3: had to go to bed. According to two people who
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  Speaker 3: were there, so he is now no longer able to
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  Speaker 3: stay up to meet with heads of state to discuss
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  Speaker 3: matters of war and peace. That's dangerous and the press
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  Speaker 3: is reporting on it.
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  Speaker 2: And to make that point, Peter Doucy asked the question
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  Speaker 2: at the White House from Fox Today. Hey, if the
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  Speaker 2: president's only the president till I don't know eight o'clock
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  Speaker 2: at night, what happens if someone shoots at nuke?
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  Speaker 1: Listen to this well.
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  Speaker 4: He also said he's sharpest before eight pm.
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  Speaker 5: So say that the Pentagon at some point picks up
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  Speaker 5: an incoming nuke, it's eleven pm.
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  Speaker 1: Who do you call the first lady.
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  Speaker 6: He has a team that lets him know of any
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  Speaker 6: news that is pertinent and important to the American people.
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  Speaker 6: He has someone or that is decided obviously with his
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  Speaker 6: National Security Council, and who gets to tell him that
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  Speaker 6: news center?
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  Speaker 2: I got to go back to just the White House
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  Speaker 2: here for her response is he has a team, so
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  Speaker 2: calm down. The president sleeping. I don't think that sits
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  Speaker 2: well with the American people anymore.
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  Speaker 3: No, it doesn't. That's actually a terrifying response that if
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  Speaker 3: something happens at eleven PM, well, Joe Biden's not capable
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  Speaker 3: to deal with it. But he has a team, and
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  Speaker 3: there's some underlaying appointed to the National Security Council, and
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  Speaker 3: the underlink can deal with it. And you know, in
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  Speaker 3: response to that, I want to play a political ad.
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  Speaker 3: Just listen to this ad and then we're going to
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  Speaker 3: talk about what it was.
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  Speaker 7: It's three am and your children are safe into sleep,
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  Speaker 7: but there's a phone in the White House, and it's
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  Speaker 7: really something's happening in the world. Your vote will decide
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  Speaker 7: who answers that call. Whether it's someone who already knows
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  Speaker 7: the world's leaders, knows the military, someone tested and ready
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  Speaker 7: to lead in a dangerous world. It's three am and
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  Speaker 7: your children are safe into sleep. Who do you want
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  Speaker 7: answering the phone?
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  Speaker 6: I'm Hillary Clinton and I approved this message.
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  Speaker 2: No, I mean they made this the issue, mister senator,
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  Speaker 2: right like, they're like, you want to be mister president,
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  Speaker 2: then you better answer that call at three am.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and let me say to folks listening to this podcast,
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  Speaker 3: to who are relatively young, you may not have heard
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  Speaker 3: that ad before. You might have been thinking, as you're
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  Speaker 3: listening to this ad, wow, this is a new Trump ad.
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  Speaker 3: This is a really powerful Trump ad. But then at
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  Speaker 3: the very end you get I'm Hillary Clinton and I
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  Speaker 3: approved this message. So Hillary Clinton ran that ad in
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  Speaker 3: the year two thousand and eight, and she was running
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  Speaker 3: it against Barack Obama. She was saying Barack Obama was
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  Speaker 3: young and inexperienced, and she was much better able to
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  Speaker 3: answer the phone than he was. Now, regardless of who
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  Speaker 3: was right in that argument, Today's Biden Whitehouse, it's not
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  Speaker 3: a three am phone call. They're saying at eleven pm, sorry,
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  Speaker 3: there is no commander in chief, but you know the
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  Speaker 3: deputy Special assistant is here and ready to solve the problem.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it also says the world leaders and it is
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  Speaker 2: terrifying to think about this. Hey, here are the best
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  Speaker 2: hours to do something, whether it's attack this country, whether
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  Speaker 2: you're a terrorist, or whether it's to do something around
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  Speaker 2: the world, because this will be a long period of
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  Speaker 2: time before you get a awake president that would even
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  Speaker 2: respect bond or say anything.
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  Speaker 7: You know it is.
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  Speaker 3: It's why I do not believe Biden is going to
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  Speaker 3: be the nominee, because the facts are piling up and
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  Speaker 3: it's becoming indefensible. It may be Michelle Obama, it may
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  Speaker 3: be Kamala Harris, but I think the d's that they
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  Speaker 3: are going to pull the plug. They are terrified, they
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  Speaker 3: are panicking, and every day as the press continues to turn. Look,
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  Speaker 3: you mentioned George Stephanopolis. George Stephanopolis was asked if he
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  Speaker 3: could serve any four more years and he says no,
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  Speaker 3: he doesn't think he can. And then Stephanopolis backed away
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  Speaker 3: and said, quote earlier today, I responded to a question
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  Speaker 3: from a passer by, I shouldn't have So he's backing
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  Speaker 3: away from telling the truth exactly. Well, you know that
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  Speaker 3: they try not to do that, the press. Yeah, it's again.
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  Speaker 3: I go back to what I said on this show.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know a week ago.
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  Speaker 2: I think they've got another what eight ten days here
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  Speaker 2: to go all in to try to get him out.
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  Speaker 2: And after that they may be stuck with this guy.
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  Speaker 2: But now, look your prediction, you've been right for quite
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  Speaker 2: a few times. It still could be somebody at the convention,
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  Speaker 2: and that somebody could still be Michelle Obama. Do you
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  Speaker 2: still think there's a decent chance of that.
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  Speaker 3: I stayed by the same odds I had on Monday's podcast.
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  Speaker 3: I think there is a twenty percent chance the Democrat
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  Speaker 3: nominee is Joe Biden. I think there's a forty percent
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  Speaker 3: chance the Democrat nominee is Michelle Obama. And I think
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  Speaker 3: there's a forty percent chance the Democratic nominee is Kamala Harris.
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  Speaker 2: As before, if you want to hear the rest of
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  Speaker 2: this conversation on this topic, you can go back and
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  Speaker 2: dow the podcast from earlier this week to hear the
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  Speaker 2: entire thing. I want to get back to the big story.
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  Speaker 2: Number three of the week you may have missed here
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  Speaker 2: is the Bombschelsea and report that Cabinet secretaries only some
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  Speaker 2: many questions. But my question now is is this being
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  Speaker 2: done on purpose so that they may actually start talking
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  Speaker 2: about the twenty fifth Amendment.
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  Speaker 1: Listen to how CNN blew this up today.
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  Speaker 5: At the White House perspective now with Cennce Mjlee.
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  Speaker 1: Who's there for is MJ.
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  Speaker 5: You and your colleagues have some reporting on the mood
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  Speaker 5: behind the scenes.
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  Speaker 1: What are you hearing from your sources?
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  Speaker 8: Well, boris, there's certainly been a lot of confusion and
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  Speaker 8: anger and sadness inside the White House, across the administration,
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  Speaker 8: the campaign, and across the Democratic Party more broadly, since
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  Speaker 8: the President's really halting and shocking debate performance. My colleagues
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  Speaker 8: and I have spoken over the course of the last
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  Speaker 8: two weeks to dozens of Democratic sources, including I should
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  Speaker 8: note senior Democrats who have spent real time with the
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  Speaker 8: President and in some cases have known the president for years.
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  Speaker 8: And what has been striking is that none of them
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  Speaker 8: had ever seen this version of President Biden that we
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  Speaker 8: all saw on the debate stage that was so off
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  Speaker 8: altering and days and plenty of officials that we spoke
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  Speaker 8: with said, look, of course, we've known that the President
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  Speaker 8: has aged. He is certainly not the same person that
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  Speaker 8: we know from say, a year ago. But what they
• 18:14
  Speaker 8: had said, and that was so noteworthy, is that they
• 18:18
  Speaker 8: said they couldn't have possibly known about the full extent
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  Speaker 8: of the president's decline, and what many of them blame
• 18:25
  Speaker 8: at this point is this apparatus and daily operation that
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  Speaker 8: is built around the president that is so painfully choreographed
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  Speaker 8: and stage managed. They said, that is designed to prevent
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  Speaker 8: the president from being often out in these unscripted settings
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  Speaker 8: for an extended period of time, and that really what
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  Speaker 8: that meant was that only a small circle of inner
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  Speaker 8: circle of advisors and perhaps family members could have known
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  Speaker 8: about sort of this full picture of the president's condition.
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  Speaker 8: Just one example that is in our story is that,
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  Speaker 8: according to two sources, before cabinet meetings that the president attends,
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  Speaker 8: cabinet officials will submit their questions and talking points, key
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  Speaker 8: talking points and bullet points that they plan to present
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  Speaker 8: to the president in these closed door meetings. This is
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  Speaker 8: how one source described it. They said, the entire display
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  Speaker 8: is kind of an act. They would come and say, hey,
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  Speaker 8: the President is going to call on you about twenty
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  Speaker 8: five minutes in and ask this question, what are the
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  Speaker 8: bulletpoints that you'll respond with. Now, the White House's defense
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  Speaker 8: has been that that is standard practice for any administration.
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  Speaker 8: They said, in a setting like this, you never want
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  Speaker 8: the president to be not aware of what is going
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  Speaker 8: to be discussed.
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  Speaker 1: You look at this Senator.
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  Speaker 2: I sit there and I'm like, Okay, You've got people
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  Speaker 2: that serve at the pleasure of the president who are
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  Speaker 2: now looking out for their own best interests.
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  Speaker 1: They don't want to lose their power.
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  Speaker 2: You got people on his campaign that apparently have the
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  Speaker 2: same mentality as these cabinet members, And all the leagues
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: about Joe Biden are coming from within. Now you can't
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: control them. White House leaks destroy presidencies. And now it's like,
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  Speaker 2: if you're leaking this and you're a senior cabinet member,
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  Speaker 2: are you doing it to prep the country for possibly
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  Speaker 2: the twenty fifth?
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  Speaker 3: Look, I think that prospect is rising. I gotta say, also,
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  Speaker 3: the White House defense, well, this is standard operating procedure.
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  Speaker 1: Listen.
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  Speaker 3: I have been in literally hundreds of meetings with presidents,
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  Speaker 3: whether Donald Trump or Barack Obama, and I've never been
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  Speaker 3: in one meeting where we had talking points and it
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  Speaker 3: was choreographed. That doesn't happen. I talked to Donald Trump
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  Speaker 3: a couple of days on the go in the phone call.
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  Speaker 3: He didn't know what I was going to say. I
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: didn't know what he was gonna say, because you're talking
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  Speaker 3: to an actual human being. Every day when senators meet,
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  Speaker 3: we don't read scripts. Would you'd like to do this job?
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  Speaker 3: You actually have to be able to talk about colleagues
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  Speaker 3: and say, okay, what's going on, and ask questions and
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  Speaker 3: discuss things. Now, look, you'll read a speech that's commonplace,
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  Speaker 3: but at a meeting, a cabinet meeting where they're supposed
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  Speaker 3: to be your top advisors. I meet with my senior
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  Speaker 3: staff every week. My senior staff don't come in. I
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  Speaker 3: don't ask them give me the talking points of what
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  Speaker 3: you're going to say before you say it, because professionals
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  Speaker 3: are able to have a conversation, listen, and process information, and,
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  Speaker 3: by the way, then ask follow up questions, what about this? Well,
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  Speaker 3: should we do this? What do you think about this? Okay,
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  Speaker 3: let's go down this direction. That's actually the way presidents operate.
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  Speaker 3: I've been in bunches of free flowing presidential meetings with
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  Speaker 3: Trump or we'd be all over the place that you
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: got people argue on one side and argue in the other,
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  Speaker 3: and Trump'll say, what about this? And I mean we
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  Speaker 3: would you know? I've been up in the White House
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: residence with him and a couple other senators with people
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: screaming at each other till ten ten thirty at night.
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  Speaker 3: That is dramatically different from the Kabooki theater or that
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  Speaker 3: Joe Biden was putting on now. To be clear, his
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  Speaker 3: entire cabinet was complicit, His entire White House staff was complicit.
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  Speaker 3: The Democrats in Congress were complicit. They all knew this.
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  Speaker 3: They're all saying, gosh, we're shocked, just absolutely shocked. I've
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  Speaker 3: told you Biden won't meet with Republican senators. That's been
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  Speaker 3: true for three and a half years.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't had any meeting on the president I remembers now, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's not just you guys, it's now the cabinet.
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  Speaker 1: He won't even meet with yet.
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  Speaker 3: Look, when Republican senators meet to have lunch, we talk
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: about how weird it is that we haven't talked to
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  Speaker 3: Joe Biden. We all know Joe, he was a man
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  Speaker 3: of the Senate for forty years, but they won't let
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  Speaker 3: him meet with us. Because this has been obvious for
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: three and a half years. And the media, the Democrats,
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: they were all complicit until the debate thrust it unavoidably
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  Speaker 3: in front of the public. And now they're all running scared.
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  Speaker 2: Does this change the calculus in your mind for Democrats
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  Speaker 2: moving forward? I mean I thought by the end of
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: this week they would get back in line behind him.
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  Speaker 2: We don't seem to have that happening at all. And
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: it now seems that from within are the people that
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: are hurting him the most.
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  Speaker 1: I'll give you an example.
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  Speaker 2: Jake Tamper went on his show on CNN today and
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  Speaker 2: this is what he said.
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  Speaker 5: Let's bring in our panel. And on that note, I
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: want to share something with you all that a longtime
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: Biden advisor just texted me. Okay, he or she said, quote,
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  Speaker 5: I just think there's an unfortunate inevitability to all this.
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  Speaker 5: I'm sad because I've known him a long time and
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: he's a good man.
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  Speaker 1: I'm angry at his.
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: Inner circle who have not served him well and at
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: times committed malpractice in their service. And I am frustrated
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: at the family, the Biden family, for not expanding the
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: circle so there would be at least a truthteller or
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: two in their midst. They created a perfect storm of
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: an echo chamber and it is biting them all in
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: the ass again as we them. Jay apologies for the
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: salty language, but this is the extent of the frustration, Gloria,
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: your reaction.
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  Speaker 2: I get this is Jake Tapper. He's not burning somebody.
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  Speaker 2: This advisor, this long time advisor, I think made it
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  Speaker 2: very clear.
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  Speaker 3: That for well, listen, listen like Ron on TV, Yeah, listen,
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: ron Klain sent that text expecting that Jake Tapper would would.
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  Speaker 1: Read it on air.
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  Speaker 3: And by the way, I don't know it was Ron Klain.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just just picking up Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, whoever did not say go on air and
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  Speaker 2: read this. I'm letting you do it.
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  Speaker 3: Look, you don't send it to Jake Tapper without expecting
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: that he's going to be repeated. That's why you're sending it.
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  Speaker 3: And look, the press is turning on him. Remember like
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: twelve minutes ago, where the corporate media would say it's
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: a tinfoil hat conspiracy theory. When you say that that
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: Obama's running things. We've said a number of times in
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: this podcast that it's Obama's pulling the strings. I want
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: you to listen to to Morning Joe talking about who's
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: really behind everything? Right now, give a listen.
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  Speaker 2: Before I play that, I want to tell you about
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  Speaker 2: our friends of the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Since the start of the Sword of Iron war in
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  Speaker 2: Israel in October the seventh, we have seen death and
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  Speaker 2: destruction in the Holy Land, and for more than forty years,
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  Speaker 2: the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews has been on
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  Speaker 2: the ground in Israel, and within hours of the war starting,
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  Speaker 2: and everyday since, they've been feeding the hungry and protecting
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  Speaker 2: the vulnerable. The attacks continue in the north and the
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  Speaker 2: South in Israel, but there are resilient survivors who bravely
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  Speaker 2: share their stories in a series the Fellowship calls Faces
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  Speaker 2: of Iron. I want you to hear their stories because
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  Speaker 2: so many in the media have not been covering them. Survivors,
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  Speaker 2: for example, like Danny, whose beloved daughter and her husband
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: were burned alive on October the seventh by hamasteris need
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: to be heard by the world. Danny is a commander
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  Speaker 2: of the volunteer fire and rescue in his community, fire
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  Speaker 2: equipment nearby. Danny could do nothing as his daughter's house
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  Speaker 2: burned and his daughter and her husband lost their lives.
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  Speaker 2: Christians like you support Israel through the International Fellowship of
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  Speaker 2: Christians and Jews. Is this support that helps these survivors
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  Speaker 2: remain steadfast and strong. I want you to hear more
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  Speaker 2: of their stories like the one I just mentioned, and
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  Speaker 2: I want you to share your support for Israel and
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  Speaker 2: stand with the people of Israel. All you have to
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  Speaker 2: do to hear these stories and spread them on social
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  Speaker 2: media is go to support IFCJ dot org. That's support
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: IFCJ dot org. Here's that clip center that you mentioned
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  Speaker 2: a moment ago morning, Joe Hey.
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  Speaker 4: One thing that we do have to underline here, just
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: so viewers can follow what's going on behind the scenes,
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: is the Biden campaign and many Democratic officials do believe
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: that Barack Obama is quietly working behind the scenes to
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  Speaker 4: work is straight this.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, if you and I had said that a
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  Speaker 3: month ago, they would go crazy, they would mock us.
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  Speaker 4: Not now.
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  Speaker 3: I want to play also what Mika Berzinski said about
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: the George Clooney op ed, because that's just give a
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  Speaker 3: listen to what Mika says.
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  Speaker 9: Yes, this wasn't George Clooney, but but well, what do
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  Speaker 9: you mean it just wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: Come on, who do you think it was? It was
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: not Matt Damon, it wasn't Julia Roberts.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think it was?
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: You can say the name. It's not Baltimore.
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  Speaker 4: Are you saying you think Barack Obama put him up
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  Speaker 4: to this?
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  Speaker 9: I think that Barack Obama has a lot of influence,
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  Speaker 9: and I think that there's uh, there's a lot there.
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  Speaker 4: There's a lot there, There's a lot, there's a lot there.
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  Speaker 1: Really, there are two.
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  Speaker 9: People in this picture, and one has had a presidency
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  Speaker 9: that was absolutely, undeniably historic.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think you have two people that had extraordinarily historic.
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  Speaker 9: In terms of legislative accomplishments.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you say, and they're both historic, and they're both historic,
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  Speaker 4: and Barack Obama for sure Hordable Care Act. George, I mean,
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: not George Clooney. You know he probably said it too, Willie,
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: But Joe Biden actually whispered.
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  Speaker 1: That that was a big deal, effing dial.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: This is the conversation they're having on MSNBC as George
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Cuney comes out.
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  Speaker 1: I love Joe Biden, but we need a new nominee. Yeah.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: And to be clear, Politico also reported quote before Hollywood
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: icon and Democratic donor George Clooney published his buzzy and
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: brutal New York Times op ed yesterday calling on Biden
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: to step aside as the nominee. We're told he reached
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: out to former President Barack Obama to give him the
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: heads up. The two men, who are friendly both attended
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: the LA fundraiser. Clooney reference to his piece where the
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: actor said he'd beheld a diminished Biden and that the
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: leader he interacted with was quote the same man we
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: all witnessed at the debate. While Obama did not encourage
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: or advise Clooney to said what he said, he also
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: didn't object to it. We're told from people familiar with
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: their exchange. The lack of pushback is an eye popping revelation,
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: given that the former president was one of the first
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: big voices defending Biden following his abysmal debate performance, while
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: many of his former aides have been some of the
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: incumbent's biggest critics. Again, if you and I said that
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: twelve minutes ago, they would have fitted us for the
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: tinfoil hats and said we were loons, And now every
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: one of them is saying this is Barack Obama pulling strings.
• 29:44
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