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If You Give Iran a Nuke · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 1: to Verdicts with Ted Cruz. I'm Michael Knowles, Senator. Have
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Speaker 1: you been watching the Olympics? To be honest, I have
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Speaker 1: not turned it on even once. I have seen the snippets,
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Speaker 1: frankly on Twitter of the opening ceremonies where they had
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Speaker 1: a wager athlete light the torch and it was so obnoxious.
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Speaker 1: The Chinese Communist Party literally has one million weekers, more
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Speaker 1: than one million weekers in concentration camps right now. They
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Speaker 1: are being tortured, murdered, they are working in slave labor.
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Speaker 1: And for the propaganda of the Chinese Communist Party to
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Speaker 1: use this wager athlete to say everything is great. And
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Speaker 1: I got to say, NBC Savannah Guthrie, you know said, well,
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Speaker 1: critics accuse China doing this, Well, okay, it is a genocide.
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Speaker 1: Those are the facts. They are literally trying to exterminate
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Speaker 1: the leaguers. But NBC wants to apologize for the Chinese
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Speaker 1: communist atrocities and get given that, you know, I can't
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Speaker 1: bring myself to watch it. It just is these games
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Speaker 1: never should have happened in China. It's wrong that that
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Speaker 1: that that the International Olympic Committee allowed China to host
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Speaker 1: these games. Now, what do you think is at play here?
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Speaker 1: Because there are a couple of dynamics going on. One,
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Speaker 1: you have communist China doing all sorts of heinous, horrible
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Speaker 1: things in their own country and around the world, so
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Speaker 1: people just don't want to tune in for that too.
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Speaker 1: You've got this strange dynamic where an American athlete born
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Speaker 1: and raised in San Francisco. Though frankly, maybe that explains it.
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Speaker 1: An American athlete choosing to compete not for America, her country,
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Speaker 1: but for China, the country that her mother is from,
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Speaker 1: to compete for the Chinese Communist Party. It seems so shocking,
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Speaker 1: so disgusting to me that an American would ever want
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Speaker 1: to compete for any other country, to say nothing of China.
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Speaker 1: What is it a revulsion at China? Is a revulsion
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Speaker 1: at America? Or is it just that people are tuning
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Speaker 1: out of the mainstream media? So look, I don't know,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know this athlete. I was certainly
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Speaker 1: saddened by those headlines. You know, I want to be
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Speaker 1: a little bit careful throwing rocks. I guess she has
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Speaker 1: renounced her citizenship. She's decided she wants to be a
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Speaker 1: Chinese national. Okay, that that is an unusual choice. That's
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Speaker 1: not a choice many people make. Most people don't go
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Speaker 1: from freedom to tyranny. Most people don't choose to subject
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Speaker 1: themselves to the oppression of a communist dictatorship. I don't
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Speaker 1: know what a reasoning was. I don't know her thinking was. UM.
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Speaker 1: I will say I am saddened whenever anyone gives up
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Speaker 1: on America. UM, that that is an unfortunate thing. You know,
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Speaker 1: it reminds me if this is not exactly the same,
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Speaker 1: but another guy from the San Francisco area, remember what
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Speaker 1: was his name, John Walker Lynne, the American Taliban. It
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Speaker 1: was in Marin County, and decided he wanted to go
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Speaker 1: be a Taliban. I'm not suggesting she's a terrorist, so
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Speaker 1: I don't want that to be a false equivalency. M
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Speaker 1: but it was someone born and raised in America deciding
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Speaker 1: to pledge their allegiance to a foreign power and to
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Speaker 1: an oppressive foreign power to a foreign power that that
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Speaker 1: commits atrocities. M you know that it's we don't know
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Speaker 1: the whole story there, but it but it's certainly a
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Speaker 1: dismaying development, and it speaks, I think, to a deeper problem,
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Speaker 1: not just this one girl or a handful of a
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Speaker 1: fleets who want to compete for other countries. But you're
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Speaker 1: seeing on the left a disavowal of American power and influence,
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Speaker 1: because they say America is immoral and unjust in a
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Speaker 1: terrible place, and wherever it goes, it just oppresses people.
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Speaker 1: But you're also seeing on the right a sort of
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Speaker 1: disappointment with America looking around and and saying, what are
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Speaker 1: we doing when we go overseas? Are we fighting to
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Speaker 1: I don't know, raise the Pride flag over Kndahar, What
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Speaker 1: does it even mean? I think you're seeing a little bit,
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Speaker 1: certainly in in certain aspects of the right, a demoralization
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Speaker 1: there as well. What are we Are we just in
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Speaker 1: a national malaise, Senator, the likes of which we might
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Speaker 1: have seen in the seventies. Look, some people are and
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Speaker 1: some are not. And unfortunately this really does follow a
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Speaker 1: political polarization the left. It is proudly and brazenly anti American. Yea,
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Speaker 1: whether it is you know, Nike celebrating Colin Kaepernick and
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Speaker 1: pulling the Betsy Ross flag off their shoes, which actually
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Speaker 1: truth in advertising is what they followed. Nike would put
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Speaker 1: the Chinese flag on their shoes because that's where their
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Speaker 1: shoes are made, and in fact that they would put
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Speaker 1: Chinese children on their shoes because it's Chinese children who
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Speaker 1: sadly are are forced far too often into slave labor.
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Speaker 1: But the left generally, you know ESPN covering the Olympics,
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Speaker 1: there was you know, one clown on ESPN who did
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Speaker 1: this moral equivalence and says, well, yes, they're Chinese concentration camps,
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Speaker 1: but you know, who are we to judge because America
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Speaker 1: has faults also, and Michael he literally says, well, states
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Speaker 1: like Georgia and Texas passed voter ID laws, So apparently
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Speaker 1: requiring a driver's license to vote is equivalent to creating
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Speaker 1: a concentration camp, putting a million people in them, torturing them,
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Speaker 1: raping them, murdering them. That's exactly like requiring an ID
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Speaker 1: to vote. It makes sense. It's the most assinine moral equivalency.
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Speaker 1: And I do wonder if you know, people that grow
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Speaker 1: up surrounded by that leftism, they're incapable of making judgments.
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Speaker 1: You know, it was America perfect, of course not but
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Speaker 1: but the idea that we are literally, the Biden administration
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Speaker 1: is the number one customer for slave labor coming out
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Speaker 1: of communist China. John Kerry, when he was asked about
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Speaker 1: about the slave labor camps, he says, well, that's not
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Speaker 1: my department. You know, I've joked, but it's not really
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Speaker 1: a joke that John Kerry should be named the customer
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Speaker 1: of the year for the Chinese communist slave labor. Several
10:49
Speaker 1: months ago, I introduced an amendment on the floor that
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Speaker 1: said it should be illegal for the US government to
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Speaker 1: purchase products and in particular or electric cars, electric batteries,
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Speaker 1: solar panels made with slave labor in China. Right, every
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Speaker 1: single Democrat voted no except Joe Manchon. Joe Manchon was
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Speaker 1: the one Democratic voted yes. Everyone else voted no. The
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Speaker 1: amendment failed, and you know, it is stunning. We are literally,
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Speaker 1: you know, if you look through history at times when
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Speaker 1: there have been concentration camps without exception, those are shameful, deplorable, disgusting,
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Speaker 1: times that history is not kind to and we are
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Speaker 1: funding concentration camps right now by purchasing the fruits of
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Speaker 1: that slave labor. It's grossly immoral, and today's Democrats don't care.
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Speaker 1: This raises my next question because a lot of people
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Speaker 1: are suggesting, well, it's ideological. You know, the radical left
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Speaker 1: to hate America, and they do hate America, and they
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Speaker 1: protest the flag, and so there's no question there's an
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Speaker 1: ideological element here. Well, and they're taught America is evil
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Speaker 1: and that the evil is at best equivalent and in
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Speaker 1: many ways worse than really evil stuff globally. And no,
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Speaker 1: they're not the same. No, George W. Bush was not
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Speaker 1: Aidolf Hitler. No, Donald Trump was not Aidolf Hitler. And
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Speaker 1: the nuts who say that are nuts. Right, But then
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Speaker 1: this raises this question, how does China keep getting away
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Speaker 1: with it? Is it just because we're all brainwashed? Or
12:28
Speaker 1: is it because of cold hard cash? Is because China
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Speaker 1: owns a ton of our debt. Our businesses in America
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Speaker 1: are totally in bed with the Chinese. They make all
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Speaker 1: of our goods. I mean, is it is it an
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Speaker 1: economic problem? It is massively an economic problem. And by
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Speaker 1: the way, the political problem is an economic problem. So
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Speaker 1: one of the things to understand about the Democratic Party today,
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Speaker 1: they are structurally pro China. Now what does that mean.
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Speaker 1: That means that they're leading supporters are all completely in
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Speaker 1: bed with China. So who is today's Democratic Party funded by.
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Speaker 1: It's funded by big tech, big tech, er monster supporters
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Speaker 1: of the Democratic Party. It's funded by big business, giant corporations,
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Speaker 1: almost all of which are overwhelmingly Democrat right now. It's
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Speaker 1: funded by big Hollywood, and it's funded by big universities.
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Speaker 1: All four of those big tech, big business, big Hollywood,
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Speaker 1: big universities are up to their eyeballs with the Chinese Communist.
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Speaker 1: They have billions of dollars depending on the Chinese Communist.
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Speaker 1: And so the people who write the checks that keep
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Speaker 1: Joe Biden in power, that keep Kamala Harris in power,
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Speaker 1: that keep Chuck Schumer in power, that keep Nancy Pelosi
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Speaker 1: in power, they have billions of dollars at stake with
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Speaker 1: keeping us intertwined with communist China. So the Democratic Party
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Speaker 1: does not want to decouple, does not want to delink.
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Speaker 1: They may occasionally have a little bit of tough rhetoric
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Speaker 1: because they realize that the Chinese commun poll badly, right,
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Speaker 1: but they are opposed to actually doing anything about China. Well,
14:07
Speaker 1: he who pays the piper calls the tune. But then
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Speaker 1: the next question would be, how do we fix that?
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Speaker 1: If this is not merely the ideological whims of some
14:16
Speaker 1: koukie leftist politicians, but this is really a structural issue,
14:20
Speaker 1: as you say, I think quite persuasively, then what's the
14:22
Speaker 1: answer to that? How do we fight back? Well, I
14:25
Speaker 1: do think the debate has changed, and it's changed a lot.
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Speaker 1: You know, when I got to the State a decade ago,
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Speaker 1: I was arguing then in twenty thirteen, that China poses
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Speaker 1: the single greatest geopolitical threat to the United States over
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Speaker 1: the next century. That I believe this. I think it
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Speaker 1: is a massive The goal of the Chinese communist dictators
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Speaker 1: is global domination, and they are playing the game not
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Speaker 1: on the short term, but over decades and over the
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Speaker 1: next century. And I got to say, when I got
15:02
Speaker 1: to DC and started saying that that was a lonely view,
15:06
Speaker 1: almost all of Washington thought that view was nuts. Every
15:10
Speaker 1: Democrat did, Every Democrat remember Joe Biden used to say,
15:14
Speaker 1: come on, man, come on man, there are friends, Come
15:17
Speaker 1: on man. But back then most of the Republicans believe
15:23
Speaker 1: that also, most of the Republicans, you know, you go
15:25
Speaker 1: back to twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, the Republican Party was
15:29
Speaker 1: in a very significant way the Chamber of Commerce party,
15:31
Speaker 1: and the Chamber of Commerce looked at China and saw
15:35
Speaker 1: big bucks, and the Republican enlightened view was, well, we
15:40
Speaker 1: can make a whole lot of money in China and
15:42
Speaker 1: eventually that human rights and democracy stuff, well, we'll worry
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Speaker 1: about it another time. You know, there's a clip that
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Speaker 1: makes the rounds now of Joe Biden way back when
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Speaker 1: this was ten years ago now saying that arising China
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Speaker 1: is good for America, it's good for the whole world,
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Speaker 1: and we should encourage arising China. And one of the
15:58
Speaker 1: reasons why it's little tough to use that clip against
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Speaker 1: him is because many, if not most Republicans at the
16:05
Speaker 1: same time, we're saying the exact same thing. No, that's
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Speaker 1: that's exactly right. It was there were a handful of
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Speaker 1: us that we're calling out the threat of China, and
16:15
Speaker 1: we were we were lonely voices in Washington. I will
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Speaker 1: say two things have really changed that and they both
16:23
Speaker 1: you know, you asked, how do we deal with this
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Speaker 1: in the long term. Two things have changed that for
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Speaker 1: the better. Number one is Donald Trump and and Trump
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Speaker 1: changed the discussion on China fundamentally. Trump came in, talked
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Speaker 1: about China, China. He changed the pronunciation, really he did.
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Speaker 1: He did. I don't know a very good Trump impersonation,
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Speaker 1: but but he but by force of will change the
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Speaker 1: focus to China considerably. And I will say in the
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Speaker 1: Republican Party that that made a real difference. But then secondly,
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Speaker 1: what really changed it was COVID and and COVID, Chinese
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Speaker 1: Communist government's complicity in covering up COVID, and now the
17:05
Speaker 1: overwhelming evidence suggests complicity in COVID likely being released from
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Speaker 1: a Chinese government lab in Wuhan, and the very real
17:15
Speaker 1: possibility that it was the Chinese Communist government that developed
17:18
Speaker 1: COVID through gain a function research, and that culpability in
17:25
Speaker 1: something that has taken so many lives in America across
17:29
Speaker 1: the world, that has destroyed trillions of dollars in jobs
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Speaker 1: and productivity and savings, that has changed the fundamental view
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Speaker 1: of the Chinese Communist here at home and abroad. And
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Speaker 1: I think that is potent. Now, as long as the
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Speaker 1: government in the US is controlled by Biden, Schumer and Pelosi,
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Speaker 1: they're not going to do a damn thing about China.
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Speaker 1: But I'm hopeful when the election happens in November and
17:56
Speaker 1: we see new Republican leadership in the House and Senate
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Speaker 1: will see I hope, leaders willing to stand up and
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Speaker 1: take on China directly. And then in twenty four we
18:06
Speaker 1: need a strong Republican president who's willing to take on
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Speaker 1: China because it's not going to happen from today's Democratic Party.
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Speaker 1: So you've got the China issue seems clear enough at
18:15
Speaker 1: least today, Republicans against China, Democrats very pro China, really
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Speaker 1: bought and paid for by China. Then there's another issue,
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Speaker 1: which is Iran. And for a much longer time, Republicans
18:28
Speaker 1: have opposed Iran and Iran's attempts to get a nuclear
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Speaker 1: weapon and Iran's attempts to grow, and the Democrats just
18:35
Speaker 1: keep coming back to Iran. Barack Obama signed to the
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Speaker 1: Iran nuclear Deal. Donald Trump comes into office, rips up
18:42
Speaker 1: that deal now again. Joe Biden seems to be trying
18:45
Speaker 1: to revive it. As far as I can tell, without
18:48
Speaker 1: any input from the US Senate. Yeah. No, it really
18:51
Speaker 1: is incredibly dangerous and it is a story the Democrats
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Speaker 1: history in Iran is horrific. You go back to Jimmy Carter,
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Speaker 1: where you know, the Shava Ran was a US ally
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Speaker 1: supported America and then they had an Islamist revolution led
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Speaker 1: by the Ayatola Komine which, among other things took Americans
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Speaker 1: hostage and held our Americans hostage for four hundred and
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Speaker 1: forty four days. And Jimmy Carter, who had undermined our
19:23
Speaker 1: ally the Shaw and then sat there helplessly while the
19:27
Speaker 1: revolution that displaced the Shaw held Americans hostage. Now Jimmy
19:31
Speaker 1: Carter was even worse than sitting there helplessly. He sent
19:35
Speaker 1: a rescue team in to try to rescue the hostages.
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Speaker 1: This is before you were alive, Michael, just a glint
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Speaker 1: in my father's eye. Indeed, the rescue team crashed in
19:46
Speaker 1: the desert. The helicopters crashed with no opposing fire. They
19:50
Speaker 1: weren't even confronting the enemy. I mean, it was the
19:53
Speaker 1: incompetence of the Carter administration had not been mad until
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Speaker 1: we got the bidens today. But before we do that,
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Speaker 1: let's go in between let's go and by the way,
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Speaker 1: the Ayatola Cominy release the hostages the day that Ronald
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Speaker 1: Reagan was sworn in, literally as Reagan put his hand
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Speaker 1: on the Bible raised his hand on the oath, January twentieth,
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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one, is when the Ayatola released the hostages
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Speaker 1: because he understood there was a new sheriff in town
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Speaker 1: and Reagan was going to blow the crap out of
20:27
Speaker 1: them if they didn't let the Americans go it. You
20:31
Speaker 1: couldn't ask for a better demonstration of weakness and appeasement
20:36
Speaker 1: versus piece their strength. Right all right, fast forward to Obama.
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Speaker 1: Obama first term big domestic agenda is Obamacare and Dodd
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Speaker 1: Frank Obama gets reelected in twenty twelve. Obama's second term
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Speaker 1: major agenda was a nuclear deal with Iran, and in
20:56
Speaker 1: fact Ben Rhodes, who was the Deputy National Security Advisor
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Speaker 1: in the Obama White House, he described an Iran nuclear
21:02
Speaker 1: deal as the Obamacare of the second term, which I
21:06
Speaker 1: think he meant his a compliment. You look at the
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Speaker 1: Obama Iran deal, John Kerry negotiated it with Iran. It
21:19
Speaker 1: is absolutely catastrophic. The Iran deal on its face was
21:23
Speaker 1: a total capitulation to Iran, and it is dangerous that
21:29
Speaker 1: the Obama Iran Deal put in Iran unavoidably on a
21:35
Speaker 1: path to having a nuclear weapon. I led the opposition
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Speaker 1: to the Iran Deal in the Senate, and in fact,
21:43
Speaker 1: you know, it was interesting. As the presidential campaign started
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Speaker 1: getting going in twenty fifteen, I helped organize a huge
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Speaker 1: rally on the steps of the Capitol, thousands of people
21:54
Speaker 1: in opposition to the Iran Deal. I invited Donald Trump
21:58
Speaker 1: to the rally and it was interesting. He was like,
22:00
Speaker 1: why would you invite me to your rally? You're running
22:02
Speaker 1: against me. He was like, well, and I just said, well, Donald,
22:05
Speaker 1: because when I invite you, every TV camera in the
22:09
Speaker 1: universe follows you. And I want to stop this deal
22:13
Speaker 1: because I don't want a theocratic lunatic. Now there's a
22:16
Speaker 1: different Ietola. The old one was the Aetola Komeni. The
22:20
Speaker 1: new Iotola is the Aetola Kamene. Just when you think
22:23
Speaker 1: the iranis you can't get more confusing. The two guys
22:27
Speaker 1: have almost the same name. And look, there's an easy solution.
22:30
Speaker 1: Call him the Aetola. He's a bearded Jehadas who wants
22:33
Speaker 1: to murder us. And by the way, the Iatola Kamene,
22:37
Speaker 1: like the Ietola Komeni literally chance death to America and
22:44
Speaker 1: death to Israel. And he was doing this, This is
22:47
Speaker 1: not hyperbole. While John Kerry in the State Department were
22:51
Speaker 1: negotiating the Iran nuclear deal, the Ayatola was leading mobs
22:57
Speaker 1: in Iran chanting death to America. They actually have every
23:00
Speaker 1: every year they celebrate Death to America Day and it's
23:04
Speaker 1: the anniversary of the revolutionaries taking Americans hostage. And yeah,
23:11
Speaker 1: there's a great political cartoon that came out about that time.
23:13
Speaker 1: I think it was twenty fifteen that had the Ayatola
23:16
Speaker 1: and had John Kerry and it had the Ayatola saying
23:20
Speaker 1: death to America, and it had John Kerry saying, can
23:24
Speaker 1: we meet you halfway? Yeah? Could we just be mortally
23:28
Speaker 1: wounded in some way? Well, so this is what the
23:30
Speaker 1: left says, because if you look at the facts on
23:33
Speaker 1: the face, it seems absurd that the left would continue
23:36
Speaker 1: and Democrats specifically and Carrie and Biden specifically would try
23:40
Speaker 1: to get this deal. But what they have said is
23:43
Speaker 1: look forget about that. That's all just pr from the malas.
23:47
Speaker 1: They don't really believe it don't listen to the Republicans.
23:50
Speaker 1: This deal is not only not going to give Iran
23:53
Speaker 1: a bomb, but it is going to prevent Iran from
23:56
Speaker 1: getting a bomb. And on an issue like Iran, as
23:59
Speaker 1: we've as we've just said, it's hard to keep track
24:01
Speaker 1: of the guy's names. It's difficult to know who to believe.
24:05
Speaker 1: So you're right, those are the talking points. And I
24:08
Speaker 1: will say a couple of things. So I actually met
24:11
Speaker 1: today with a Biden nominee to be an ambassador in
24:15
Speaker 1: the Middle East, and we were talking about Iran and
24:19
Speaker 1: the nuclear agreement, and he made a comment he said,
24:22
Speaker 1: I think everyone agrees with the foreign policy world that
24:27
Speaker 1: Iran must never get a nuclear bomb. And I sort
24:31
Speaker 1: of stopped him, and I laughed and said, let me
24:33
Speaker 1: be clear, I don't think everyone agrees with that. I
24:35
Speaker 1: think the Biden White House is perfectly okay with Iran
24:40
Speaker 1: having a nuclear weapon. And I said, look, go back
24:43
Speaker 1: to the Obama white House. So when Obama was newly
24:45
Speaker 1: elected president, one of the very first speeches he ever
24:49
Speaker 1: gave was in the Middle East. He went to the
24:51
Speaker 1: University of Cairo and he at the University of Kiro.
24:55
Speaker 1: He gave a speech and he said that Iran has
24:58
Speaker 1: a right and he used that word right to nuclear technology.
25:03
Speaker 1: Now that is absurd. I'm familiar with the right to life,
25:07
Speaker 1: to liberty, to property. There is no right to nukes.
25:10
Speaker 1: And if you're a crazy, theocratic lunatic who wants to
25:13
Speaker 1: murder millions of people, you especially don't have a right
25:15
Speaker 1: to nukes. Fast forward, there was an article that got
25:20
Speaker 1: a lot of attention during the Obama administration by a
25:25
Speaker 1: writer in the Atlantic. And what got all the attention
25:28
Speaker 1: was a senior White House official in the Obama White House.
25:31
Speaker 1: In fact, a lot of people speculated it was Obama himself,
25:33
Speaker 1: but that was never conclusively confirmed. But this senior Obama
25:38
Speaker 1: official referred to Benjamin net and Yahoo, the Prime Minister
25:42
Speaker 1: of Israel, as chicken shit, and it was sort of
25:45
Speaker 1: a startling it. It got a lot of attention. My
25:50
Speaker 1: view was always that that actually wasn't much of news.
25:53
Speaker 1: It was obvious that the Obama White House viewed net
25:57
Speaker 1: and Yahoo with contempt. They treated him like crap like.
26:00
Speaker 1: The fact that they directed that epithet to them was
26:03
Speaker 1: not surprising in the slightest for anyone who watched how
26:06
Speaker 1: they treated them. What was interesting in that same quote,
26:10
Speaker 1: senior Obama White House officials said, the good thing is,
26:14
Speaker 1: and I'm paraphrasing, but this is pretty accurate. The good
26:17
Speaker 1: thing is we've delayed Israel from acting for so long
26:23
Speaker 1: that they're no longer capable, militarily capable of acting to
26:29
Speaker 1: prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear arsenal. And those are
26:35
Speaker 1: chilling words where listen, I think Obama and Biden they're
26:39
Speaker 1: leftists that it's this same we were talking a minute
26:42
Speaker 1: ago with respect to China about the anti americanism on
26:46
Speaker 1: the left. They view American leadership in the world as illegitimate.
26:51
Speaker 1: They think we have no right. What right do we
26:54
Speaker 1: have to deny to these peaceful little Iranians a nuclear bomb?
26:58
Speaker 1: That's just American arrogance. Well, you know what, people that
27:01
Speaker 1: want to murder us, I want to keep the weapons
27:04
Speaker 1: that they can use to murder us out of their hands.
27:07
Speaker 1: The left doesn't believe this. I totally agree with that,
27:11
Speaker 1: But then, Senator, what do you say to Look, this
27:13
Speaker 1: is a longstanding Democrat held belief. Even if they won't
27:17
Speaker 1: admit it publicly, they'll at least admit it on background.
27:20
Speaker 1: And they've obviously been working toward a world in which
27:23
Speaker 1: Iran will have an easier time getting a nuclear weapon. Okay,
27:26
Speaker 1: what do you say to those who tell you, look,
27:29
Speaker 1: Iran talks a big game on destroying Israel. They're not
27:32
Speaker 1: going to destroy Israel. Iran is not going to come
27:34
Speaker 1: over and detonate a nuclear bomb in the United States.
27:36
Speaker 1: They have no reason to do it, no incentive to
27:39
Speaker 1: do it. A lot of countries have nuclear weapons for
27:41
Speaker 1: goodness sakes, you know, Pakistan, North Korea, a bunch of places.
27:44
Speaker 1: We don't want to have nuclear weapons. They've got them.
27:46
Speaker 1: A lot of more people are going to get them.
27:47
Speaker 1: What's the big deal? This does not pose an existential
27:51
Speaker 1: threat to the United States. I think these are people
27:54
Speaker 1: that do not understand evil, and they don't understand. If
27:58
Speaker 1: history teaches anything it is that if somebody tells you
28:01
Speaker 1: they want to kill you, you should believe them, believe them.
28:06
Speaker 1: I'll give one example, the so called father of the
28:09
Speaker 1: Iranian nuclear program, an Iranian scientist who has since gone
28:13
Speaker 1: to meet his maker, many say, at the hands of
28:15
Speaker 1: the Israeli Massad. He had written in his last will
28:20
Speaker 1: and testament that he wanted the following words written on
28:23
Speaker 1: his tombstone. Here lies a man who sought the annihilation
28:29
Speaker 1: of Israel. Not loving father, you know, good husband, No, no,
28:35
Speaker 1: just soldier, sailor tinker Taylor. No, No, it's think about
28:41
Speaker 1: just how much hatred you have to have that that's
28:44
Speaker 1: what you wanted to be remembered for. I want to
28:47
Speaker 1: murder as many people as possible. That's like I'm a vicious, racist,
28:52
Speaker 1: bigot who wants to commit mass murder. And look, you
28:55
Speaker 1: talked about North Korea. North Korea with nukes is incredibly dangerous.
29:00
Speaker 1: Jong Un is a megalomaniacal, narcissistic dictator. It was a
29:06
Speaker 1: catastrophic mistake for the Clinton administration to screw up and
29:10
Speaker 1: allow him to develop nuclear weapons. Now that he has them,
29:15
Speaker 1: there is some chance, possibly of something resembling rational deterrence,
29:21
Speaker 1: because the one thing that Kim wants is to stay
29:23
Speaker 1: in power, and he does know if he used a
29:25
Speaker 1: nuclear weapon that that would be the end of his regime,
29:28
Speaker 1: that that the imbalance of power, he would be destroyed.
29:33
Speaker 1: The danger with the Ayatola, and this is where religion
29:36
Speaker 1: is particularly dangerous, is that he's a theocratic zealot. It's
29:40
Speaker 1: not just if he were an ordinary dictator. You may
29:44
Speaker 1: be able to have some real cost benefit analysis. But
29:47
Speaker 1: when you have a zealot who embraces death and suicide,
29:52
Speaker 1: it's it's it's like the math of suicide bombers. When
29:54
Speaker 1: you have people that are willing to strap dynamite to
29:56
Speaker 1: their chest and walk into a bus or walk into
29:58
Speaker 1: a shopping mall, ordinary deterrence doesn't work if they're willing
30:03
Speaker 1: to blow themselves up. The Aetola knows if he detonated
30:06
Speaker 1: a nuclear weapon that the consequences would be hundreds of thousands,
30:12
Speaker 1: if not millions of Iranians killed in the war. I mean,
30:15
Speaker 1: the consequences would be devastating. The danger for a religious
30:21
Speaker 1: zealot is that he just might be willing to make
30:23
Speaker 1: that cost benefit analysis. If I get to murder, he
30:26
Speaker 1: might say millions of Jews, it's worth it that that
30:30
Speaker 1: I will be rewarded with seventy two virgins. What they
30:36
Speaker 1: didn't mention that where that the virgins were gomer pile.
30:38
Speaker 1: But that's different. Yeah, you don't, you don't, you don't
30:40
Speaker 1: want They don't put it in the fine print. Yep.
30:43
Speaker 1: That is profoundly dangerous. And I think if it Ran
30:46
Speaker 1: acquires a nuclear weapon, the odds are unacceptably high. They
30:51
Speaker 1: would detonate it in the skies of Tel Aviv or
30:55
Speaker 1: Jerusalem or New York or Los Angeles. Now what are
31:00
Speaker 1: those odds. I don't know. I don't want to find
31:04
Speaker 1: out that that's not a roll of the dice. I'm
31:06
Speaker 1: interested in finding out. Let's suppose Iran gets a nuke
31:11
Speaker 1: and that doesn't happen, they don't use it. The best
31:15
Speaker 1: case scenario, Well, if Iran gets a nuke, every other
31:19
Speaker 1: country in the Middle East suddenly will feel the urge
31:22
Speaker 1: to get nuclear weapons as well. The Saudi Arabians will
31:25
Speaker 1: want nukes, the UAE will want us, and Cutter will
31:28
Speaker 1: want nukes. They'll all want nukes to defend themselves against
31:31
Speaker 1: the Iranians. It's it's actually one of the ironies. I
31:33
Speaker 1: joked that. Amazingly enough, Barack Obama inadvertently deserve the Nobel
31:40
Speaker 1: Peace Prize they gave him because he actually brought the
31:45
Speaker 1: Arabs and the Israelis together. All he had to do
31:48
Speaker 1: was negotiate a deal that would give the Iranians nuclear weapons,
31:51
Speaker 1: and the Arabs and Israelis said, are you frigging nuts,
31:54
Speaker 1: Let's put aside our differences. Yes, because because look they
31:59
Speaker 1: understand that an Iran with nukes, Iran today is the
32:03
Speaker 1: leading state sponsor of terrorism. Even if they don't use
32:05
Speaker 1: the nukes, every other country in the Middle East gets
32:08
Speaker 1: nukes to counter Iran. Talk about a tinderbox that you're
32:11
Speaker 1: just like throwing gunpowder into. And on top of that,
32:16
Speaker 1: if Iran is willing to fund terrorists murdering Americans across
32:21
Speaker 1: the world today without nuclear weapons, how aggressive do you
32:26
Speaker 1: think they would be with nuclear weapons where they feel
32:29
Speaker 1: they have impunity. And by the way, that's the best
32:32
Speaker 1: case scenario. So Obama ran deal, disastrous deal. They gave
32:38
Speaker 1: over one hundred billion dollars to the Ayatola. On the
32:41
Speaker 1: face of it, the deal was obvious it would end
32:44
Speaker 1: up with a nuclear weapon. Why number one at sunset
32:47
Speaker 1: it after a decade it went away. So on the
32:49
Speaker 1: terms of it, Obama was like, yeah, ten years from now,
32:52
Speaker 1: you can have a problem. Secondly, the deal gives them
32:56
Speaker 1: one hundred billion dollars, counts on them to be honest.
33:00
Speaker 1: It provided that any inspection of nuclear facilities you had
33:06
Speaker 1: to give a RAN twenty one day's advanced notice just
33:11
Speaker 1: to tidy up the place. Yeah, you know, I've suggested
33:15
Speaker 1: I imagine a law that said, before a search warrant
33:20
Speaker 1: is executed on a drug dealer, you've got to give
33:23
Speaker 1: them twenty one a day's advanced notice of the place
33:25
Speaker 1: to be searched. Do you think you would find anything? Yeah?
33:29
Speaker 1: Probably not. Not only that, the deal, on the face
33:33
Speaker 1: of it says there's certain sites, sites designated as military
33:37
Speaker 1: sites that are exempt from inspections. Now, if they're sites
33:41
Speaker 1: that are exempt from inspections, gosh, where do you think
33:43
Speaker 1: it is that they met? They will develop the nuclear weapons? Right,
33:47
Speaker 1: this was a deal as radical as the Obama folks were,
33:51
Speaker 1: as carry were. No one can look at this deal
33:54
Speaker 1: and conclude anything other than it. Ran will get a
33:56
Speaker 1: nuclear weapon under this deal. They were okay with it.
33:59
Speaker 1: Then Trump ended the deal most important national security decision
34:03
Speaker 1: Trump made. I spent an enormous amount of time with
34:06
Speaker 1: President Trump urging him to end the deal. Well, now
34:09
Speaker 1: Biden wants to re enter the deal, and it is
34:14
Speaker 1: I think his top foreign policy objective to re enter
34:17
Speaker 1: the deal. Biden is desperate to enter a deal that
34:21
Speaker 1: will be worse than the Obama deal. It is an
34:24
Speaker 1: ideological commitment. So I brought together a group of thirty
34:28
Speaker 1: three Senators wrote a letter to Biden making clear that
34:32
Speaker 1: under a law that we passed that that was the
34:36
Speaker 1: Iran Review legislation, that no deal can have force without
34:41
Speaker 1: being submitted to Congress first of all, for review and
34:45
Speaker 1: a vote. The Biden administration is going to ignore that law.
34:48
Speaker 1: They intended to fy that law. And by the way,
34:50
Speaker 1: the right way to do any deal is submit a
34:52
Speaker 1: treaty that takes two thirds of the Senate to ratify.
34:55
Speaker 1: But they can't get the vote, so they're going to
34:56
Speaker 1: ram through a bad deal. Can they do that? Though?
34:59
Speaker 1: I mean, if they have to institution says the Senate's
35:01
Speaker 1: got to ratify treaties, then how how can the White
35:03
Speaker 1: House just go in and say, well, no, this isn't
35:05
Speaker 1: a treaty, it's just a it's a it's a nice
35:09
Speaker 1: it's a fun compact between friends, between nation friends. So
35:13
Speaker 1: that's basically what Obama did, and I and others made
35:17
Speaker 1: clear in order for this to have force, it has
35:21
Speaker 1: to be a treaty. And and actually, here's a way
35:24
Speaker 1: to illustrate it is actually go back to the Trump administration.
35:27
Speaker 1: We're sort of jumping in the timeline, but let's go
35:29
Speaker 1: to the beginning of the Trump administration, both the State
35:31
Speaker 1: Department in the Defense Department under Donald Trump wanted to
35:35
Speaker 1: stay in the Iran deal. Rex Tillerson was Secretary of State.
35:38
Speaker 1: He said, we need to stay in the Rand deal.
35:40
Speaker 1: Jim Madis, who's a Democrat, was Secretary Defense, and he said,
35:44
Speaker 1: we need to stay in. Maddis used to say, and
35:46
Speaker 1: he said this both public and private. He said, America
35:49
Speaker 1: gave our word, we need to keep our word. And
35:52
Speaker 1: I told him General and later Miss Secretary, No, America
35:55
Speaker 1: did not give our word right. There were two ways,
35:58
Speaker 1: and only two ways, that we give our word in
36:00
Speaker 1: a binding international context under the Constitution. Number one, through
36:05
Speaker 1: legislation that passes both houses of Congress and assigned it
36:08
Speaker 1: a law that is a formal commitment as a legal commitment.
36:11
Speaker 1: Or Number two, the typical way for an international agreement,
36:14
Speaker 1: as a treaty negotiated and signed by the President and
36:18
Speaker 1: ratified by two thirds of the Senate. Those are the
36:20
Speaker 1: two ways America can give our word that are binding.
36:25
Speaker 1: This deal was neither, and we made absolutely clear to
36:28
Speaker 1: Obama that the Senate rejected it, and thankfully Trump ended
36:36
Speaker 1: up agreeing with me. He overruled his own secretary of
36:39
Speaker 1: State in his own Secretary Defense and ended the deal.
36:43
Speaker 1: But and it was the most important foreign policy decision.
36:46
Speaker 1: Now Biden's trying to negotiate it. The reports are they're
36:50
Speaker 1: close to a deal. The one thing that saved us
36:52
Speaker 1: from a deal so far as the Iranians are so extreme,
36:55
Speaker 1: they see so much weakness with Biden that they're demanding
36:59
Speaker 1: an even bigger sweet deal that Obama gave him. Their
37:02
Speaker 1: unreasonableness may delay this a little bit. But what the
37:05
Speaker 1: eyetolas holding out for is he's saying to Biden, what
37:09
Speaker 1: I want as a commitment that will last and will
37:12
Speaker 1: last beyond this administration. And what I've said repeatedly is
37:17
Speaker 1: Joe Biden can't give you that because the next Republican
37:20
Speaker 1: president who comes in is going to rip this deal up,
37:24
Speaker 1: just like the last Republican president is. This is disastrous,
37:28
Speaker 1: but Biden wants to sign it anyway. Well, speaking of
37:30
Speaker 1: acts of violence, I think our listeners are going to
37:32
Speaker 1: commit acts of violence, potentially with nuclear weapons on me
37:36
Speaker 1: if we don't get to at least one mail. Bad question.
37:38
Speaker 1: So I want to get to that before we go.
37:41
Speaker 1: There were a number of great questions that came in
37:43
Speaker 1: this one though, is completely out of left field, and
37:47
Speaker 1: it ties in with a little bit of a news story,
37:48
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37:51
Speaker 1: what is Ted Cruise's view regarding the legality of illicit drugs?
37:56
Speaker 1: Love the show. I've been a fan from episode one,
37:59
Speaker 1: and it ties into the news because Joe Biden might
38:02
Speaker 1: not be able to give us very much in this economy,
38:06
Speaker 1: but he is promising to give out free crack pipes,
38:09
Speaker 1: so it's a topic at the top of people's minds.
38:13
Speaker 1: It's a great question. But let me stop, Michael, how
38:15
Speaker 1: is that not a headline from the Babylon b It
38:18
Speaker 1: literally is the case of the Biden administration is giving
38:22
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38:24
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38:27
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38:30
Speaker 1: These are your Democrats. He actually went further. He said
38:33
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38:36
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38:39
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38:42
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38:46
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38:50
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38:53
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38:57
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39:02
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39:05
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39:08
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39:11
Speaker 1: them crackpipes. All right, that's a good rule of thumb.
39:14
Speaker 1: Get get the kids off crack. Yes, reasonable people can
39:17
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39:20
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39:23
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