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Pamela Samuels Young Full Interview · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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  Speaker 1: My Guests on the Line Today is a former news writer.
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  Speaker 1: I love this because there's people always talk to me
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  Speaker 1: about reinvent myself or transitioning. I've been called renaissance man.
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  Speaker 1: I would call her the renaissance Lady on My show Today.
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  Speaker 1: A former news writer for w x y Z TV
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  Speaker 1: and Detroit, Michigan Motown and newswriter and associate producer for
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  Speaker 1: k CBS TV and Los Angeles. She's a graduate of
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  Speaker 1: UC Berkeley School of Law. She's also earned a bachelor's
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  Speaker 1: degree in journalism from USC and a master's degree and
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  Speaker 1: broadcasting from Northwestern. So fall our round, You're gonna get
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  Speaker 1: lost this young Ladies on Fire. She writes fast paced
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  Speaker 1: mysteries that tackle important social issues, which is really why
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  Speaker 1: I have on the show because it's really cool the
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  Speaker 1: way she's been able to do that and probably pull
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  Speaker 1: people in and open their eyes about educating them. A
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  Speaker 1: thriller Anybody's Daughter wanted the double a CP Image Award
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  Speaker 1: for Outstanding Fiction. She's also writes writes on an assudent
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  Speaker 1: name called Sassy. Sassy Sinclair now the author of the
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  Speaker 1: award winning thriller Anybody's Daughter is back with an addictive
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  Speaker 1: legal thriller that tackles bullying and it's devastating aftermath. What
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  Speaker 1: really goes home behind school doors and failure to protect?
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  Speaker 1: Please work with the money making conversation, Pamela Samuel's young
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  Speaker 1: thank you, thank you for having me. Gotta let you know.
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you some At the intro, I had to
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  Speaker 1: you know something, what I will not do, Pamela on
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  Speaker 1: my show, A short chance, short change people of what
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  Speaker 1: they've done, because that journey to charge you know, l A,
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  Speaker 1: you know education, tell us about that journey, you know,
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  Speaker 1: because here's it took me seven years to get one degree. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: you know what? And I don't you know. I grew
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  Speaker 1: up in Compton and my product of the competent school system,
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  Speaker 1: and I always saw education as my way. Um why
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  Speaker 1: what what do you because? Because the people that just
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  Speaker 1: talked me into saint education is your out, you know,
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  Speaker 1: because I um, I I've read earlier on My mother
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  Speaker 1: put books in my hand in first grade, the Book
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  Speaker 1: of the Month club. You can get a book every month.
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  Speaker 1: And I saw different worlds. I saw a world that
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  Speaker 1: was different from mine. And to be honest with you,
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  Speaker 1: as a young team, I saw my mother, women in
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  Speaker 1: my mother's lives. I saw how um not having their
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  Speaker 1: own independence changed their lives. You know. One one, one
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  Speaker 1: of one of my aunt tustins became an alcoholic. Another one,
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  Speaker 1: let's just tell it all molested, what a lested a
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  Speaker 1: family member and then she's on her own and she
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  Speaker 1: ends up in the projects. I mean, I just saw
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  Speaker 1: all these women while I had a stable life, family life.
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  Speaker 1: My parents have been married for fifty five years. I
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  Speaker 1: had a stable life. I saw these other women's lives
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  Speaker 1: be deshort. I saw I had a I had my mother.
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  Speaker 1: One of my mother's cousins was a victim of fovel abuse.
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  Speaker 1: And I said, okay, you know what, I gotta be
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  Speaker 1: able to be able to have my own So I
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  Speaker 1: knew as an early child that education was a way
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  Speaker 1: for me to do that. And that's and I was.
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  Speaker 1: I was off to the races. Wow, you know because
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  Speaker 1: when I went So what did you what made you
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  Speaker 1: choose the schools that you went for your education? Because,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, your product of comptom was it trying
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  Speaker 1: to get out of that environment just to see a
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  Speaker 1: different parts of the world, just to be exposed. What
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  Speaker 1: led you and also what led you to law. Um
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  Speaker 1: okay I um, I had a chance as at attempting
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  Speaker 1: high school or to spend a summer at USC. I
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  Speaker 1: think as a tenth or eleven grade. Oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, my what a world in UFC was
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  Speaker 1: only thirty minutes from my house in Counting. But I
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  Speaker 1: said that's where I wanted to go, and so I
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  Speaker 1: was able to go back, and I set my sights
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  Speaker 1: on USC. I don't think I applied to but a
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  Speaker 1: couple of other schools and I got into USC and
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  Speaker 1: that was that world. Um. And you know, I didn't
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  Speaker 1: go to law school till I was thirty. I finished UM,
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  Speaker 1: I said undergraduate and I pursued uh journalism and I
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  Speaker 1: worked in TV for a while. But I had always
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  Speaker 1: wanted to go to UM law school. But I didn't
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  Speaker 1: know any lawyers. I didn't see a lawyers. And it
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  Speaker 1: took me, uh seven years after after graduating, eight years
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  Speaker 1: to to say, um, I can do this, because I
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  Speaker 1: didn't have a confidence then. You know, there were no
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  Speaker 1: lawyers in my families. I don't think I even talked
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  Speaker 1: to a lawyer before making that decision. But one day
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  Speaker 1: and and I had a real bad day in the
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  Speaker 1: news room. The k didn't come up. A producer yelled
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  Speaker 1: at me and something and something just said pick up
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  Speaker 1: the phone, that we're gonna do this. And we go
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  Speaker 1: back to the days when I was a news writer.
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  Speaker 1: News writer, we were still using tape writers and think
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  Speaker 1: it's the phone called and called, what do I need
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  Speaker 1: to go to law school? Take you gotta take the
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  Speaker 1: laws the mission test. I went to Barnes and Noble
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  Speaker 1: about a study guide. I had three weeks before that
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  Speaker 1: last test at the end of the year to study
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  Speaker 1: for it. Study study, study, study, and got in got
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  Speaker 1: decent enough score to get into UC Berkeley, So you know,
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  Speaker 1: and and I had wanted to go all those years,
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  Speaker 1: but nothing moved me until just getting the day. It's like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't you know what I need to do this?
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  Speaker 1: And I was an older lawsuit most of my most
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  Speaker 1: of classmates for twenty five and under when I was
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  Speaker 1: in law school, and it was it was actually a
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  Speaker 1: great thing that I was thirty because I was more
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  Speaker 1: serious about it. I took, you know, it was just
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  Speaker 1: and it wasn't. And even when I get interviewed for jobs,
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  Speaker 1: because what you didn't mention. I spend my last twenty
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  Speaker 1: five years working is an in house council for Toyota
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  Speaker 1: and what um what? Then going to Luskoo was an
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  Speaker 1: older student was a great thing because I think it
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  Speaker 1: was a lot more mature, right right, right right. You know.
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  Speaker 1: The thing about it is that being a leader that
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  Speaker 1: made that age can often times make you the leader,
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  Speaker 1: the natural leader. And because people are looking at you
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  Speaker 1: saying you can have experiences that allow you to look different,
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  Speaker 1: walk different, talk different. And so when I went out,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going through your bario they said, you're you're a
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  Speaker 1: frequent speaker on these topics, which are really extreme topics.
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  Speaker 1: They need to be talked about, child sex trafficking, bullying,
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  Speaker 1: online safety, fiction writing, self empowerment, and pursuing your passion.
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  Speaker 1: Let's break this down a little bit. Why are you
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  Speaker 1: speaking on child sex trafficking? You know the book that
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  Speaker 1: wanted No lap in an Image Award. Uh. The idea
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  Speaker 1: for that came out of a conversation with the guy
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  Speaker 1: back in I don't know two thousand and ten or
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  Speaker 1: eleven who said kids were being trafficked in the US
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  Speaker 1: and when nobody was talking about chise, that ex trafficking man,
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  Speaker 1: and like, what are you talking about? No no, No,
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  Speaker 1: that's the Mexico, that's the Philippines, that Russia. And he
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  Speaker 1: said none of the other games, the games of trafficking girls.
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  Speaker 1: And so I went home and began to research it,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, it blew me away, and it
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  Speaker 1: was happening in our community that nobody was talking about it,
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  Speaker 1: and that formed the idea for anybody's daughter, just like UM.
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  Speaker 1: Christmas Day last year, friends to me an article about
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  Speaker 1: two nine year old girls who had hanged themselves, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, what nine years old? How? What? How does
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  Speaker 1: the nine year old know how to hang themselves? And
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  Speaker 1: I ended up researching that and learned at the suicide
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  Speaker 1: rate for African American kids under the age of twelve,
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  Speaker 1: it's twice that of like kids, what what? What? How
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  Speaker 1: could that be? And that brought me to right start
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  Speaker 1: you to protect. I mean, while I like, I like
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  Speaker 1: legal thrillers, um, but I also like to teach something
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  Speaker 1: in my book. So UM, I try to give you
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  Speaker 1: a good mystery, a good legal story, but at the
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  Speaker 1: same time teach you something. And I think I've done that.
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  Speaker 1: And before I get too for us say I want
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  Speaker 1: to I don't think you remember we have a we
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  Speaker 1: have a personal connection you and I because two of
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  Speaker 1: my closest friends are rich Henderson and Tarapin. On that family.
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  Speaker 1: You really need to stop talking about my sisters like
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  Speaker 1: that in public now totally. And you don't remember back
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  Speaker 1: in two thousand three were you and I were sitting
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  Speaker 1: in Felicia Henderson's backyard at a party, had to be
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  Speaker 1: two thousand three or four in Pasadena, in Pasadena. In Pasadena,
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  Speaker 1: I had just gotten my first book deal and I
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  Speaker 1: was not happy. I was not happy with the amount
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  Speaker 1: of money and I had and you and I was
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  Speaker 1: thinking about turning it down, and you said, so you
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  Speaker 1: said the following to me. You said, you said, if
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  Speaker 1: you only got one book to write, get your foot
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  Speaker 1: in the door and take that. You know, if you've
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  Speaker 1: only got one book to write, turned down that deal
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  Speaker 1: and go back and shop it, get the best of
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  Speaker 1: You can't say if you got twenty books in you
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  Speaker 1: take that deal, get your foot in the door, and
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  Speaker 1: you can you can make more money. Later you said,
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  Speaker 1: you said, did anybody else offer your book there? And
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  Speaker 1: I was like no. He said, you need to get
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  Speaker 1: your foot in that door. And what I can't do
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  Speaker 1: Man ninety eight sixteen years later, you and I are
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  Speaker 1: talking about money making conversations because if I had turned
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  Speaker 1: down that deal, who knew when my next deal would
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  Speaker 1: have come? Well, you know, and this is first of
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  Speaker 1: all you I love your energy. Were talking to you know,
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  Speaker 1: my producers in the room when they listened to the
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  Speaker 1: show as well. We love your energy. First of all,
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  Speaker 1: You're just a natural passion that is crazy good. But
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  Speaker 1: you know I remember that because Felicia, that's my I
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  Speaker 1: call him my baby sister. Uh taught me how to
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  Speaker 1: write the titcom you know. And then you have you
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  Speaker 1: have Saraphiny Johnson, who I think saved my career. You know,
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  Speaker 1: she brought me on to the Parkers as a consultant
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  Speaker 1: at the time where I didn't know where I was,
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  Speaker 1: and that right was right when I right before when
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  Speaker 1: I started managing Steve Harvey and basically the rest is
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  Speaker 1: history how how I impacted UM television and radio, social
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  Speaker 1: media with him. But that's the period I met you,
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  Speaker 1: and so I was still finding myself. But I was
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  Speaker 1: very opinionated because people just always come up to me,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because my voice was really big in Los Angeles,
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  Speaker 1: and so when I was speaking to you, I remember
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  Speaker 1: because you were not you. You felt you needed more.
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  Speaker 1: You know you you feel and I get and I
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  Speaker 1: get a lot of people like that. I always go,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because I always tell people, don't look at
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  Speaker 1: what other people are making. Let's talk about you. Let's
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  Speaker 1: let's keep it focused on you. Okay, okay, cool? You
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  Speaker 1: know who? Why are you? Why are you all out
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  Speaker 1: of out of whack with this deal here? It's a deal.
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  Speaker 1: And I always tell people that I've done a lot
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  Speaker 1: of things Pamela for free, to get the opportunity to
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  Speaker 1: get paid and and so. And I always tell people
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  Speaker 1: that I remember when I was at the Warner Brothers. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: I remember I went to them, and I because when
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  Speaker 1: I left Me and the boys, I was an executive
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  Speaker 1: story at IT. And so when I it to Warner Brothers,
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  Speaker 1: they kept me as an executive story at IT. And
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  Speaker 1: I told I told the people that want to say, man,
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  Speaker 1: just promote me. You don't have to pay me, just
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  Speaker 1: promote me, because I knew it was more important to
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  Speaker 1: have that versus income. The image I would project the image.
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  Speaker 1: So my conversation when I was talking to you, this
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  Speaker 1: is in Pasadena. I can clearly see you now because
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  Speaker 1: that was you know, they sent me photos. She looks fairy, familiar,
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  Speaker 1: she looks fair for me, and so and so. So
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  Speaker 1: I always looking at everybody, trying to do my research,
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  Speaker 1: because when I was talking to you, it was about
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  Speaker 1: trying to slow you down and realize this is the
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  Speaker 1: next day. I was to say, I don't want that.
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  Speaker 1: Find something else and you and I thought about what
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  Speaker 1: you said. I said, he's right, I got twenty books
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  Speaker 1: in me. Let me take this, and and other people
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  Speaker 1: I know still get rejection letters. Let me take this.
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  Speaker 1: You saved me. Yeah, well, you know, you know the
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  Speaker 1: thing about it. You listened, and so the same passion
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  Speaker 1: that you have now is what I heard in that backyard.
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  Speaker 1: And and also one thing about it. I always felt
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  Speaker 1: that people who hung around Felicia and Sarah were cool people,
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  Speaker 1: and so because they know I don't come out and
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  Speaker 1: just just just just hang out and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 1: So so you got that pass So so when you
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  Speaker 1: were talking to me, we're going, okay, let me just
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  Speaker 1: listen to what she said. So I just want to
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  Speaker 1: walk off. She know, she let me. Just please listen
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  Speaker 1: to me. You have an opportunity to do something that
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  Speaker 1: nobody else has had its half right now, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what they're getting paid over there on the left side.
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  Speaker 1: Get in, get your foot in the door, show the
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  Speaker 1: world your gifts, and guess what We're on money making
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  Speaker 1: conversations going in because and now what we're gonna do.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about this this book and how we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna promote it, because that's what I do now. I'm
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  Speaker 1: a marketer and I'm a brand, and I sell. I
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  Speaker 1: promote people's UH values, and I promote their their brands.
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  Speaker 1: I promote their products so they can be wealthy. I
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  Speaker 1: think that's the key that we're trying to get. I've
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  Speaker 1: been doing it for corporations like Forward State Farm Home Depot.
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  Speaker 1: Now I'm doing it on money making conversations with individuals
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  Speaker 1: and small businesses. And guess what, I'm happy, Pamela. I
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  Speaker 1: am happy when we come back and we'll talk more
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  Speaker 1: because now you know, she she got me all fired up.
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  Speaker 1: Now now because now that that picture, now everything connect
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  Speaker 1: the dot and I'm anna call Forelicia Henderson, who has
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  Speaker 1: a development deal with twenty centry Fox right now, and
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  Speaker 1: and then uh. I talked to Sarah a couple of
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  Speaker 1: weeks ago when I was at the doing that that
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  Speaker 1: Thanksgiving spread for Kelly Clarkson show. She bought all my groceries.
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  Speaker 1: So this is cool. This is cool. We're right back
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  Speaker 1: more money Making Conversations Rashan McDonald and my girl, Pamela
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  Speaker 1: Samuel's young hw This Rashan McDonald. You're listening to Money
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  Speaker 1: Making Conversation. My podcast, my radio show is syndicated. It's
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  Speaker 1: on Series ex Samson Alexas on Spotify. There's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of formats out there that are vuying to put me on,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm happy to put them on because it allows
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  Speaker 1: my message to be meet more people. And that's the
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  Speaker 1: whole purpose of money Making Conversations to interview individuals, allow
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  Speaker 1: them to share their stories, and I don't want their
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  Speaker 1: story to become your story because their stories are unique.
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  Speaker 1: Their patterns to and how they achieve success is the
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  Speaker 1: gifts that God gave them. Your gifts are different. They
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  Speaker 1: may be similar in the genre, or the range, or
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  Speaker 1: or the thought process, but your gifts are difference. So
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  Speaker 1: achieved the amount of work that you can achieve based
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  Speaker 1: on who you are and what you can achieve. Right
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  Speaker 1: before we left, Pamela share a story about when we
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  Speaker 1: first met because when I was putting together a presentation,
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  Speaker 1: her face looked for me, but I couldn't connect the thoughts.
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  Speaker 1: And one of the conversations that came out of the
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  Speaker 1: conversation when I first met her Seraphity Saraf Johnson complete
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  Speaker 1: that last name, Felicia Henderson. Met her in the backyard
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  Speaker 1: of Felicia Henderson House, and my whole conversation, I've always
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  Speaker 1: told the people, stop looking at other people's yards, stop
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  Speaker 1: trying to figure out what other people are making. Look
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  Speaker 1: at your offer and figure out what you want to
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  Speaker 1: do with that opportunity. And that's what our converse station.
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  Speaker 1: And look at her now success, you know, because she listened,
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  Speaker 1: and so many people I don't want to listen because
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  Speaker 1: they want to run on their wine and complaint I
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  Speaker 1: should get more. I have more value. I have done
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  Speaker 1: a lot of free stuff. I have been all over
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  Speaker 1: the country telling jokes for seven or five dollars. I've
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  Speaker 1: gotten on planes and just showed up for meetings that
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  Speaker 1: it would just meets. They would just create relationships. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, that's how it really works in this business.
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  Speaker 1: It is truly relationships. Correct, Pamela, that's right, that's right.
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  Speaker 1: It's who you know, because you know it's you know,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I may go to Smithy said, oh you
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  Speaker 1: do all these book club meets. Why would you go
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  Speaker 1: spend um uh two hours meeting with five women you
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  Speaker 1: never know? I have got I've got gone a book
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  Speaker 1: club meeting spinner in five minutes. Where I just did
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  Speaker 1: a book club meeting with a group in Jackson, Mississippi.
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  Speaker 1: I'm on the phone with them for an hour. One
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  Speaker 1: of them recommended to somebody, now, somebody from Jackson's flying
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  Speaker 1: me out in April to be a keynote speaker for
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  Speaker 1: their event. So you know what it's it's each on
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  Speaker 1: poor one. You don't never know connection. It's not about
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  Speaker 1: the money, give me this before I do that. But
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  Speaker 1: also it's also that devaluing the opportunity, because that's what
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  Speaker 1: people do. You know, somebody walking the room, well, I
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  Speaker 1: don't think that might be the person who can who
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  Speaker 1: makes the decision that you would be rude to. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: are you ignoring? Are you over here over over with
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  Speaker 1: the happy group that can't make any decisions. They all
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  Speaker 1: allowed and doing their things, but the decision makers in
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  Speaker 1: the corner just just taking everything in, making everything happen,
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  Speaker 1: and that's what it really is, and that's that's what
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  Speaker 1: that's really compelled me to do this show. It came
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  Speaker 1: telled me to do this show money Making Conversation because Pam,
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  Speaker 1: I had so many cool experiences in my life and
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  Speaker 1: everyone's been different. I met so many unique individuals like you,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, Nick Cannon shares a similar story a
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  Speaker 1: lot like Anthony's shares a similar story. There's so many
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  Speaker 1: individuals who come on this show and reminded me of
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  Speaker 1: ra Sean. You remember when I asked you this or
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: you memoration and I went, oh, yeah, it was so funny.
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  Speaker 1: I was. I was. I was on the flight coming
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  Speaker 1: from Philadelphia in September and Maori Hardwick, you know he
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  Speaker 1: plays got some power and uh, he just happened was
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  Speaker 1: in first class. He just happened to sit in the
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  Speaker 1: window seat next to me and uh he and I said,
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  Speaker 1: and I said, I managed Stephen Smith. If I said,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I know your boy o mariik uh you
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  Speaker 1: know Stephen A. Smith, he goes, oh yeah, yeah, that's
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  Speaker 1: my boy. And then he kept looking at me. He went,
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  Speaker 1: you look familiar. I went, no, no, we never met.
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  Speaker 1: We never met. And he said. He said, uh, yes,
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  Speaker 1: we have. He said, I met you I was twenty
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  Speaker 1: five years old. I said, I said, I said, huh
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  Speaker 1: he said, yeah, I said, and he started Holly car
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  Speaker 1: Carter che He started calling out name. I want yes,
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  Speaker 1: I know that moting. He said yes. He said. I
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: used to hear hustle your conversations because man used to
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  Speaker 1: give out advice. But I was at the time. You know,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: I wasn't. I wasn't right to really sit down and
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  Speaker 1: listen to you. But the advice that you would give
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  Speaker 1: out I used today and I realized that that's my life. Really,
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  Speaker 1: that is who I am, you know, that is what
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: I do. This is this show is part of the message.
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  Speaker 1: And when I talk to individuals like you to give
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  Speaker 1: relatable stories that the reason I really love what you
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: do is that you're taking socially conscious issues and then
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  Speaker 1: putting it into story, which to me is an education.
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  Speaker 1: It means that allows people to believe that, okay, this
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  Speaker 1: makes sense because so many things are fictionalized, and then
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't have any credibility, so people that ignore it
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  Speaker 1: that had never happened to me, And like you said
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  Speaker 1: earlier in that interviewed about you, know, you know, kids
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  Speaker 1: under African Americans, kids under toyl you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 1: the suicide? Why what problems are they dealing exactly exactly? Well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I'm having learned about this whole bullying thing.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, because because the first you know,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the whole thing, six or stones don't worry
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  Speaker 1: about it's not a big deal. But it's a different
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: it's a different generation of kids, and it's some different
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  Speaker 1: stuff going on for you. And I weren't a lot
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  Speaker 1: of times with a kids today see everything you know
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  Speaker 1: when we were when when when we were raising I'm
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  Speaker 1: sixty one and kid, you know when you come in
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  Speaker 1: the room with stuff on TV, parents say this, brown
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  Speaker 1: folks nothing to These kids are exposed to everything. And
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  Speaker 1: then on top of that, they don't learn how to
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  Speaker 1: fall and get back up. Everybody gets a trophy because
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  Speaker 1: everybody is disappointed. Nobody you know, nobody know so so
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  Speaker 1: they're not MATCHI kids. So they don't have any independence.
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  Speaker 1: Parents are running them here in there, so they can't
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  Speaker 1: think for themselves. So the first time somebody goes something
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  Speaker 1: goes wrong at school, I see I personally that So
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  Speaker 1: I have read this in where I think there's a
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  Speaker 1: highly sensitivity and it's like a lot rights is over
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  Speaker 1: and I'm looking at all these pictures of these babies,
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  Speaker 1: these babies taking what has the nine you don't know
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  Speaker 1: how to hang themselves because they're exposed to too much.
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  Speaker 1: For one right, you know, we have some work to do.
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  Speaker 1: You know. It's really interesting because when I you know,
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  Speaker 1: bullying hits home with me with my daughter. I remember
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  Speaker 1: when she's being bullied by three boys in school, and
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  Speaker 1: and I remember my wife, you know, she know she's
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  Speaker 1: let me handless, let me handless. You know it. A
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  Speaker 1: couple of weeks went by, you know, I said, it
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  Speaker 1: has just been wrapped up yet, because you know when
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  Speaker 1: Rushin goes in there gonna be a little different conversation,
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  Speaker 1: could be a little bit different. And so you know,
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  Speaker 1: there was a there was a school. You know, I
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  Speaker 1: would just be real, like you said, keep it really,
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  Speaker 1: gonna keep it real now. And so you know it's
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  Speaker 1: one of those you know, religious schools. You know, they're
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  Speaker 1: always praying and everything. So I came in there that
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  Speaker 1: the principal school and the three teachers were in there
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  Speaker 1: and myself and and I said, well, to my understanding,
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  Speaker 1: My wife has been discussing the bullying incidents that have
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: been curring to have been happening to my daughter. She's
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: not happy. I said, uh, I said, you guys know
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  Speaker 1: about these little boys here. And then I remember the principle,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: said can we pray? I said, no, we're not gonna
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: pray right now. I said, maybe after I'm finished with
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: this conversation I have with you guys. If y'all feel
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: like praying with me, then then we're good. But we're
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: not gonna act like I care a BYuT what's going
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: on in the school with a pray. So they went, okay.
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  Speaker 1: I told him teachers, I said, look, I told him this.
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  Speaker 1: I told him, look, I said, you're doing a disservice.
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  Speaker 1: I said, oh, y'all doing this service as a young man. Okay,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: because we're there. And then I don't know where their
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: parents and I don't care about their parents. All don't
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  Speaker 1: know if they go to school with my daughter. And
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: I said that that's what happens, and and and and
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  Speaker 1: and believe me, the next day they stopped bullying my daughter.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: They all apologized because because I stepped in and was
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: honest about the situation. When I look at situation. And
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: guess what, my child could have been one of those
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: under twelves that you're talking about, because she's exposed to
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: a lot and a lot of it's not good. Okay,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: you know, and and and so so I say, a
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: lot of it goes back to parenting. You know, we
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: get so caught up in the you know, two two
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  Speaker 1: parents work in the household. We turned these schools into
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: babysitting centers, you know, instead of we dropped them off
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: early for the school opens, pick them up late, schools
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  Speaker 1: way closed, and so they getting you know, put them
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  Speaker 1: on the school bus. And don't hear that the school
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  Speaker 1: bus situation is not a good situation. And I hear you.
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  Speaker 1: And when I hear that, I go with Sean, But
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  Speaker 1: didn't that kind of happened when yes, it did happen
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  Speaker 1: when I was growing up. But I didn't have social media.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't have I didn't have Internet, I didn't have
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  Speaker 1: all kinds of things that can drive me into a
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  Speaker 1: box of craziness by being by showing me a reality
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  Speaker 1: which was really a fictional reality because it's on YouTube exactly,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: and so you know, and one thing somebody pointing out
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  Speaker 1: recently is that in our day, the bullying actually gotta
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: reprieve when you went home because the bullying, you know,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: the bullying stopped you at home. But today they're on
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: social media, on Instagram, and these kids are closing the
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  Speaker 1: things that go kill yourself. Yes, we hate you Instagram
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: and Facebook, and it's like it's it's relentless. Yes, that's
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: what their young ladies don't encourt right now for telling
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: her boyfriend to kill himself. You know, you go go
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: to yourself. And now you're only trying to show her
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: that she had text messages she was telling him to stop,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: but she did tell him to go kill himself. She
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: did say that though she may have tried to stop
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: a lot of those cases, there are a lot of
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: those cases and it's it's stunning. So so, so how
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  Speaker 1: do you do your research for your books? Well, e
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: aentually when I read that first article, um, I uh
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: just and then I found a ton of them. So
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: then from there I went to I need to talk
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  Speaker 1: to somebody. This year I talked to mental health professorals
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: and it's so amazing that I love just love people
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: because when you tell people you're trying to do something,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: they think they're gonna help you. I reached. I ran
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: across the interview with a woman Donna, Donna Holland Barnes At.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Donna Barnes At. She's an associate professor piatry I think
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  Speaker 1: at Howard University. She was more than willing to help me.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: She also read the manuscript and was able to help
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: me tweak thing. I found another guy sports and um
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: he was a professor of psychiatriat knew you y have universe.
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  Speaker 1: These people who and he read the manuscript, you know,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: and they helped me with things that I just understand, Like,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: for instance, in that community mental health professionals, they don't
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: like you to say committed suicide. They want you to
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: say died by suicide or took their own lives because
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: because we just commit it cast blame. And I didn't
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  Speaker 1: understand commit. When you say somebody committed suicide, that means
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: you're casting blame on them that they made a choice,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: because you don't think people committed cancer and people who
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: suffer from from who take their own lives. There is
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: a problem there and it is most likely depressions. We
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: don't diagnose. We don't look at childhood depressions. Um, Um,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: we don't. We don't even think about it. We don't,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: you know. Um, a lot of these kids have have
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: have troubled life at home. Um, maybe there's there's things
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: with their parents. In my in my book, my my
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: thirteen year old character had lost her father six months earlier.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: So kids since suffer from depression just like us. So
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  Speaker 1: I I really wanted to to raise these issues because
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: if I had written a nonfiction book about bullying in suicide,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: nobody would pick it up. And and I'm a little
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: afraid even now that people are all bullying all suicide,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: I don't want to read that and shy away from
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: it because I was almost I was also trying to
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  Speaker 1: promote it by not mentioning suicide. I was afraid it
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: was would scare people off. And my mentor said to me, then,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: you know what you're doing the same thing that that
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: that that people are doing when they when we talk
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: about HIV and other things that we also people You know,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: I know people who have died from HIV, and you
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: know that at the funeral, they'd be talking about cancer.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: When we're hiding it. We're not talking about it. We
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: need to talk about it. Our babies are killing themselves
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: and we need to talk about it. And that's what
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: I hope, that's what I've tried to do. Wow, reading
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: about the death by suicide of two nine year old
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: girl sparked the idea of Pamela to write Failure to Protect.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: The articles are attached My friend, UM, did now you
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: have a you have a version is out this month
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  Speaker 1: for for young adults. This right, because I wanted to
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: write because there's a there's you know, I got give
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  Speaker 1: it is what they want. Look checking this institude kids,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: because you know, because my villain in the book is
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: a principle because a lot of times these these you know,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: I love teachers and I love educators, and they have
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: a tough job. Okay, but there are sometimes I don't
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: want to deal with all that foolishness, Like in your situation,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: you shouldn't have had to go down there to solve
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: that problem. My villain was the principle to that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: should they should have solved that problem. But my villain
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: is a principal who was a little bit more concerned
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: about her career and her and her her school being
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: being accused of bullying than dealing with this situation. Absolutely
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: that's true. And this because a younger, a young adult
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: version of failure to protect goals on sale this month. Now,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: will you send me a link of banners so I
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: can put on my social media. I will absolutely do that.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: And what I'm doing is I'm doing my own version
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: for Cyber Monday's. Like I have Paddler Bell in there.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: I got a girl lovedy Love and there got Tina
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  Speaker 1: Live for she has a great book that I have
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: in there and know, so I'm doing my best. I
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: got ninety seven thousand fan club members, that's just that.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Then I got over eight hundred thousand fan club Facebook members,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: so I got that. I got the Instagram, I got
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: the Twitter. So I'm just letting you know, Pamela, we
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: met in the backyard. In that backyard many years ago,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Felicia Henderson still my girl, Sarah Finished, still my little sister.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: And I'm telling you right now, I'm so proud of
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: what you accomplishing. My job right now is to continue
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: you down that path of success. So whatever you give
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: me and asked me to do for you, I honestly
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: will tell you right now, I will do it for you. Okay,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: thank you so much. I'm also that the audio book
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: goes on self. I'm I'm. I'm still a couple of
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: weeks away from the young adult, but the audiobook goes
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: on sale in ten days and young actor Larry Hering
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: is my narrator. Okay, cool, get the link to me
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: in ten days so we can put it out there
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: and get it sold. And like I said in January,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: I willna put another one out, so like today, I
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: have one going out with Okay, like you go fight again.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Thank you for calling money making conversations, and thank you
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: for reminding me