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E315: How To Start Detoxing Your Home TODAY (Shawna Holman) | E315 Lila Rose Show · The Lila Rose Show

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  The average home contains hundreds of plastics chemicals
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  that are synthetic. What is 1 exposure?
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  The average home that is a lot more dangerous than most.
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  People realize these phthalates are endocrine disruptors.
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  Your hormones tell every single cell of your body what to do.
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  So when that system gets disrupted, it can throw all
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  kinds of things off balance. How can people start the process
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  of detoxifying their homes without feeling?
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  Overwhelmed. Laundry detergent's a big one.
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  We're washing our clothes and our bedding in it, and then they
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  stay on our bodies all day every day.
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  If you're in your bed for at least a third of your life,
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  you're just laying up against all of these chemicals.
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  How do you determine whether something is toxic or not?
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  It's really simple because all you have to do is.
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  What about microwaves? A microbiologist studied and
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  found that shoes contain more fecal matter than toilet seats.
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  Public toilet. Seats.
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  I didn't know that. That's crazy.
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  Shana Holman, welcome to the podcast.
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  Thank you so much for. Having me, I'm excited.
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  You recently wrote a book on detoxing your household, and
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  this is something that a lot of people are becoming more
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  concerned with because they're learning and the research is
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  coming out about all of the toxins that are in our
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  environments. What is 1 everyday product that
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  most families trust that you would never use?
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  I would say. We're down on the brands today.
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  Laundry detergent's a big one, but there are a lot of brands
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  that people use that I used to use.
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  I think that's that's one that we really got to think about
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  because we're washing our clothes and our bedding in it
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  and then they stay on our bodies all day every day, or especially
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  when we're sleeping. You're in your bed for at least
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  a third of your life and that's where you're getting all kinds
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  of restoration happening for your body and detoxing and
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  you're just laying up against all of these chemicals and
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  fragrances all night. So that's probably a big one.
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  What do you recommend then? If it if you're saying, I mean,
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  yeah. No laundry detergent.
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  Yeah. And I, I went through a period
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  of trying to make my own laundry detergent.
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  Don't recommend that. Some people have success.
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  I went years really trying to make it work.
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  And it it was soap, not detergent.
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  So it did not work. But there are some really good
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  options available now and more than when I started.
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  I started all this in 2013 and there were really very few
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  options then, although there still were some.
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  Now you can go to Target and find something that's a little
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  less toxic. How do you determine that?
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  Just look for one that's fragrance free.
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  That would be a great start, yeah.
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  And there's a lot of other things that you can look for in
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  there and really whittle it down.
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  But if you can find one without fragrance, you've you've already
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  made a great start. I think some people are have the
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  mentality that just everything is toxic so yeah maybe don't buy
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  the stuff with fragrance in it, but everything really is toxic
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  so making little changes is only going to do so much so why even
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  try? Well, that's a really good
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  point. But we are doing impact to our
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  body all day, every day, whether we are intending to or not.
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  So being more intentional about it is going to make a big
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  difference. And I have.
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  I started this by making very few small changes and it
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  completely radicalized my life and changed my health and so
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  much so that it couldn't stop talking about it.
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  So the people around me started to make really subtle small
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  changes too, and they started to see major changes very quickly
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  too. And the people that have stuck
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  with it and kept to these small little changes that seem
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  unimportant, over time they have greater impact.
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  So I've seen people really, really revolutionize their
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  health just by doing these very simple things.
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  What is 1 exposure? And this could be to a product
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  or to a habit of how the family operates, like, I don't know,
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  burning candles, Like I know some people have concerns with
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  that. But one exposure in the average
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  home? That is a lot more dangerous
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  than most people realize. Indoor air pollution in general
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  is probably the worst thing that's going on in our homes,
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  but indoor air pollution, indoor air pollution.
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  So that's not just fragrance, though, that's also chemicals.
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  Yeah. So I think it's EPA says that
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  and I'm going to get the number wrong here, but that indoor air
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  pollution is air pollution in our homes is 10, up to 100 times
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  more polluted than outdoor air, even in big municipal areas.
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  That's crazy. It's really crazy.
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  But you think about it, we're in these boxes and our homes have
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  all been designed to be, you know, to keep the cool air in
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  better and keep the hot air out better.
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  So they're like little traps where it's trapping all this air
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  inside and so it's concentrated. Also, there are a lot of
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  different items in our homes that can be contributing to
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  this. One of the things is dust.
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  Dust carries all kinds of stuff in it that you don't really want
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  to know about, like insect parts and dead body cells, but also
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  volatile organic compounds and things like the the fragrances,
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  the phthalates and formaldehyde from our furniture.
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  So dust can be pretty problematic on its own.
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  But then also, you know, our furniture is treated with flame
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  retardants and we've got these cleaning products with all these
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  different chemicals and fragrance in it too, and our
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  personal care product. The list goes on.
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  But that can be overwhelming in scale.
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  Yeah, so, well, let's unpack each one of those.
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  So let's do the dust for a moment.
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  Just generally big picture dust. Do you?
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  Are you talking about dust that comes into the home though from
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  outside the home? Like on your shoes?
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  Just dust. Yeah, it just comes in from
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  outside or it settles because, you know, you're the fibers in
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  your furniture kind of, you know, go off into the air and
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  land somewhere else. So I want to get to furniture
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  but shoes. I am curious, do you recommend
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  no shoes in the house? No shoes in the house.
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  Yeah. So when you are walking around
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  outside, your shoes are getting into all kinds of stuff, right?
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  There was a study that a microbiologist studied and found
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  that shoes contain more fecal matter than toilet seats, public
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  toilet seats. So you're getting fecal matter
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  into your home and it's not just staying on your floor and it's
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  not just fecal matter, it's pesticides and all kinds of
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  things that are out in our environment.
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  Once it's on the floor, it still can get up into your air because
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  when we're walking and moving about in our house, things are
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  lifted up and they move around our air and we're breathing that
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  stuff too. So especially if you have little
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  babies crawling around, no shoes in the house.
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  But if in any circumstance, I think it's better to, if you
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  want to have shoes, have indoor shoes.
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  I think some people listening might be thinking, OK, well,
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  yeah, that sounds disgusting that there's more poop on my
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  shoes than on a toilet seat on the average shoot, according to
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  the study that you referenced. So doesn't feel good.
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  Don't like that. That being said, you know, I let
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  my baby crawl in the dirt like we let our kids run around
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  sometimes bare feet like germs. I mean, we don't want poop, but
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  germs, generally speaking, should not be seen as always the
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  enemy. We want kids to have a healthy
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  immune system and we don't want to just inoculate them from
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  every, you know, you know, feared pathogen or whatever it
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  is. So how do you balance that where
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  you don't want to be like a germaphobe but but then you also
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  want to be common, sensible and not have poop on your floors?
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  Yeah. It kind of goes back to an
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  earlier question, because one of the things that I think, and I
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  forget that this happens in so many homes, one of the things I
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  think is really detrimental to our health that's in our homes,
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  in a lot of homes, is sanitize, sanitizing solutions or anything
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  that kind of disinfects like Clorox.
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  Like Clorox, Yeah, not only because, you know, bleach is a
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  Asmogen, it can lead to respiratory health issues, but
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  also when we're killing all of the bacteria.
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  So I think about it like this, when something says it kills
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  99.9% of bacteria, there's .1% that survive, right?
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  So they're the most resilient or resistant to this disinfectant.
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  They're the strongest. And then who's left to multiply
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  the strongest? So you're going to end up with
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  more of these antibiotic or disinfectant resistant bacteria
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  to populate. And this is where we get into
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  this super bug realm. I don't know if you've heard
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  that term before, but it's where there are these more resilient
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  and resistant bacteria and then we're out of balance.
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  And that's how we end up getting sick.
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  Actually, when I had my health crisis, it had to do with these
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  super bugs. So I'm kind of a little more
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  alert to this issue. But our homes and our bodies
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  have something called a microbiome, and it's important
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  to keep that in balance. We have a lot of bacteria, even
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  fungus and viruses that are good for our health and for our our
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  ecosystems that we live in and the ecosystem that's on our
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  body. So when we go wiping out all of
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  the bacteria, we're killing good guys too.
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  They're there to keep us in balance and protect our health.
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  So let's unpack that a little more.
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  Do you recommend no Clorox or bleach to be used in the home?
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  I don't use them. I Bleach was a hard one for me
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  to give up because I thought I had to keep it at least to keep
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  my clothes white and for the occasional illness in the house.
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  But I have learned that I don't need it for either of those
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  things. But yeah, I don't think that
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  it's it's worth the risk that it brings into the home.
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  There are a lot of other great alternatives that are a little
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  less toxic. OK, so if your kid vomits on the
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  floor, let's just like give some real world examples here.
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  This might this happened in my home a couple weeks ago.
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  There's vomit on your floor. You're no Clorox wipe, no Clorox
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  spray. I mean, obviously we we would
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  wash it up and stuff, but you're just saying what should I do?
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  What should I do? What I.
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  Would do as I would definitely obviously clean it really well.
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  Like hot soapy water is my best friend or cleaning product and
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  unfragranced. Yeah, get it cleaned up as good
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  as I can. And if I felt like I wanted to
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  also like disinfect the area, which I sometimes do.
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  One of my favorite things to do is pop a spray top on top of a
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  bottle of peroxide and then spritz it down and let it sit
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  there for 10 minutes and it's going to disinfect a lot of the
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  nonsense on there. You can also do it with rubbing
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  alcohol, but I don't prefer the smell of that.
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  OK, that's great. That's very practical.
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  So no shoes. We talked about what happens.
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  There's not. But on the floor.
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  Let's go to furniture next. You mentioned that a lot of
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  furniture is toxic. Yeah.
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  Tell me more about that. So these are big ticket items.
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  I don't live in a perfectly non-toxic house or world.
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  I probably never will this side of heaven, right?
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  But so a lot of furniture has been treat.
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  Most furniture has been treated with flame retardants, which
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  have been linked to a lot of cancers and other health issues
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  and it's hard to avoid and especially it is really
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  expensive to find things without it.
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  So it's a, it's a really hard 1 to tackle, but there are things
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  you can do. So when we do bring new big
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  items into the home when possible, I leave them outside
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  in the sun for, you know, overnight, not overnight, but
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  for a few hours during the day, getting the sun on them, let
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  them off gas so that we get some of those chemicals out into the
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  air outside instead of putting it into my tightly packed little
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  box inside, things like that. But then making you know, when
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  they're when it when it's practical and I'm able to, then
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  I'll buy the less toxic option. But also use things like, you
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  know, if you don't have a perfect mattress, you can have a
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  mattress pad that's a little less toxic.
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  And you can also have your sheets and your pillowcases or
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  even just your pillows be something with healthier
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  materials. How do you determine when you're
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  trying to purchase furniture as an example or like a rug online,
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  Right? There's always like super cheap
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  kind of plastic rugs as an example.
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  In fact, I think the one in the studio is a super cheap plastic
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  rug. Quite possibly.
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  How do you determine whether something is toxic or not and
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  what should you look? For sure, yeah.
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  With rugs, I like to look for natural fiber, so it'd be
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  something like wool or cotton or jute.
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  And those are really good options compared to the
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  polyester plastic ones, right? You're going to be getting all
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  of those plastic chemicals into your, especially on a rug or
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  something where you're walking on it a lot and it's kicking
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  things up into the air. So looking for natural fibers.
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  And I also like rugs that don't have a backing on them because
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  the backing has been put on with really strong adhesives or
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  glues, and those can be a little more.
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  Toxic too. What are the risks of those
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  possible plastics and your rug to the human body?
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  All kinds of things that, you know, I think we don't have
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  enough research that I've seen any ways to give really specific
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  this plastic causes this damage. But I think we're finding out
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  more along the way that all of these little interruptions in
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  our bodies are leading to all kinds of things.
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  And we all can't always directly link it back to the source
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  either. So it's hard to know, but it
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  little interruptions can lead to bigger problems over time.
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  So back to the idea of the house being in the box and protecting
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  the air quality in your house. So we talked about shoes,
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  there's furniture, obviously your rugs, there's cleaning
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  chemicals and not using or, or avoiding certain cleaning
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  chemicals and favoring others that are more natural that don't
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  have fragrances in them. Like you used, talked about
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  peroxide as opposed to using Clorox, which sounds kind of
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  good to me. I don't know.
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  I don't know, like something, you know, big problem with that.
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  Another toxin in the home that I've heard of a possible toxin
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  is gas burning stoves. Yeah.
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  Yeah. What is your take on that?
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  Give, you know, it's kind of 6 of this half dozen the other
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  because electric stoves give off EMF.
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  So it's kind of like a pick your poison situation.
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  If you use gas stoves, which I do, I prefer fire.
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  You want to have some ventilation.
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  So use your fan when you're cooking or and or have some kind
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  of air filters in the home. One of the best things that you
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  can do for your own. We talked about not wearing
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  shoes in the house, right? Also removing the dust.
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  The other biggest thing I recommend is to open up your
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  doors, windows for at least 10 minutes at least once a day as
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  we talk about them being like little air trap cubes, right?
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  You want to have some ventilations who air out what's
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  inside and it's gonna make a big difference in your home and
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  especially if you have something like a gas burning stove.
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  What about induction stoves? I think those are higher in EMF,
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  but I'm not sure on that. Okay, interesting.
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  Yeah, my husband and I've been talking about this like we have
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  a gas range. And so there's a conversation of
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  will is that, you know, there's gas obviously filling your home
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  and we turn it on. Yeah, you can open a window, you
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  can turn on the the fan, but there's still a lot of gas.
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  And there's all these studies that show that that gas,
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  especially to little kids, is extremely toxic and linked to
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  cancers and all of these terrible things.
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  So. But yeah, opening the window is
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  kind of a bare minimum it sounds like.
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  Yes, yeah, everyone should be doing that either way.
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  What is 1 belief in the clean living space that you actually
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  disagree with? One is that it's all or nothing.
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  You know, I see a lot of extremism where to me it seems
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  like people start to kind of idolize health or non-toxic
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  living. I see a lot of fear.
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  I see a lot of kind of legalistic thinking in that way.
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  And I think that that can be as toxic or more toxic than the
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  things that they're trying to avoid.
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  So I think that all or nothing approach.
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  Yeah, what is the point where clean living can go too far?
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  I don't know where the point is. Yeah, I think yeah, when it not.
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  In these books. I even wrote that in the intro
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  of one. Like if this starts feeling
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  overwhelming, put it down because it really should not be
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  that way. You know, we this it's about
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  stewardship. It's about caring for the vessel
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  that God gave me. God gave me this body to do his
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  important works that he's called me to do.
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  And I was limiting myself from doing those things without
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  realizing it. Like in my ignorance, I was
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  limiting my ability to do what he just called me to do.
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  Now that I know differently I could the point I think what you
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  asked, where is the point where it goes too far right.
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  So the point is, when I start making an idol out of the
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  health, out of the non-toxic, living out of my body, where I
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  want to be is in a place of stewardship where I'm caring for
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  this vessel because he trusted me to care for it and because it
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  If someone's listening and says I wanted to detoxify my entire
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  house, but they don't want to make an idol of it, right?
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  But they want to start taking the steps to be good stewards of
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  their home and their their family.
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  What's the order of operations that you would recommend for
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  them? Where should they start?
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  OK, I created when I wrote my first book, so my handle online
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  is a little less toxic, so it's ALLT.
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  So when I wrote my first book, I came up with this kind of format
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  to help everyone do this. Where do I start?
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  How do I keep going? Because what you don't want to
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  do is start and then not keep going.
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  So you don't want to do it in a way that's overwhelming.
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  You don't want to overwhelm your finances, your marriage, your
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  mental health, your capacity capacity in any way, right?
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  So I, I came up with this kind of acronym.
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  So ALLT for a little less toxic and the A stands for assess or
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  it could also be for awareness. But this is where I'm looking at
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  what I have in my home that I'm using or not using that's just
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  already here. And I'm going to start to pay
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  attention to what's actually inside of it.
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  So this is I got to start turning things around and
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  looking at the backs of packages and see what's in the
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  ingredients. When I, I was growing up and
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  before I knew any of this, I never turned a package around
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  unless I was looking for a calorie count, right?
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  I was looking at the front of the package an I was falling for
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  marketing claims. This is all natural or, you
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  know, it's low calorie, low fat, whatever it might be.
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  That's all I cared about it. This looks good.
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  I think it tastes good or I like how it makes my hair feel,
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  whatever it might be and the little clip paraben free,
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  whatever it might be, turn it around.
• 18:08
  Actually pay attention what's inside, whether it's something
• 18:11
  you're buying or it's something you already have.
• 18:12
  But doing this a is for assess. So you're looking at what you've
• 18:15
  got going on in your home already.
• 18:17
  Once you've done that, you've got some awareness.
• 18:19
  You kind of see what you you have and now you're going to go
• 18:22
  to the first L, which is for let go and you can just eliminate
• 18:26
  some things right away. Having less of this stuff in
• 18:28
  your house is going to improve your indoor air quality.
• 18:30
  It's going to remove dust collectors and it's going to
• 18:33
  enable you to remove dust a little more efficiently.
• 18:36
  So all of that's going to immediately make your home
• 18:38
  healthier. And that's like the Clorox and
• 18:40
  the poopy shoes. Yeah, the poopy shoes, anything,
• 18:44
  You know, we all have stuff. I even still do where there's
• 18:46
  things in the cabinet that have been there.
• 18:48
  Maybe I'm even packed them up and moved with them.
• 18:50
  They're just still sitting in a cabinet and they don't need to
• 18:53
  be there. So it's just taking up space.
• 18:54
  And a lot of times they have ingredients in them that I
• 18:56
  really don't need to have and my.
• 18:57
  Husband loves Lorox so I'm going to go home and be like it's bye
• 19:01
  bye. Students buy you peroxide for
• 19:03
  your birthday. With the spray with the.
• 19:07
  Spray top, of course. Very nice spray top.
• 19:08
  OK. I'm so sorry, I know the
• 19:11
  husbands. I'm so sorry, husband, you know,
• 19:12
  but I guys can't be money in some ways.
• 19:15
  That's too funny. So let go.
• 19:18
  So yeah, let go. And then instantly everything's
• 19:21
  already going to be healthier. And then the next L is for level
• 19:24
  up. This is where you're making
• 19:25
  those swaps along the way, right?
• 19:27
  So your shampoo is running low. Do not wait until it's
• 19:30
  completely gone, because this is what most people do when it's
• 19:33
  empty. You have no time to do any
• 19:35
  research. You're either going to get the
• 19:36
  thing you always get, or you're going to fall for clever
• 19:39
  marketing because you're trying to get something that's a little
• 19:41
  less toxic, or you're going to get something that's on sale.
• 19:44
  There's really no other option. If you, if you save yourself a
• 19:47
  little bit of time, like a grace window, now you can look for
• 19:51
  something that has ingredients that are a little better.
• 19:53
  Maybe you just get something without any fragrance, right?
• 19:56
  You might need to order it online too.
• 19:57
  Not all of these things are available in person.
• 20:00
  So you give yourself that little bit of window and you get
• 20:02
  something that does not have to be perfect.
• 20:05
  It still needs to fit in your budget.
• 20:06
  It needs to fit your needs and your preferences.
• 20:09
  And you can do that and make it a little less toxic than the one
• 20:12
  that you had before. And then you just keep doing
• 20:15
  that. And the T stands for time
• 20:18
  because you're going to continue doing this for always and
• 20:20
  forever. We are never going to live in a
• 20:22
  perfectly non-toxic body, home or world this side of heaven, so
• 20:27
  we just keep doing these things as an act of stewardship and
• 20:30
  it's like a sanctification process for your home and body
• 20:32
  over time. That's so great and it sounds so
• 20:35
  doable. Is there a place like I think
• 20:37
  about Target or the grocery store or Amazon?
• 20:40
  I've noticed when I've gone to these stores and I actually use
• 20:43
  this little app, this is not sponsored by the show.
• 20:45
  I'm curious, you're taking it's called Yuka and do you like
• 20:48
  Yuka? I don't love it.
• 20:49
  OK, tell me why but. I think it can be a helpful.
• 20:51
  Tool because it does it like mislabel you think?
• 20:54
  Sometimes. Sometimes it gives a harsher
• 20:56
  rating than it should her a better rating than it should.
• 20:58
  That's my gut actually, because I'm like, why does this one get
• 21:01
  such a harsh rating and this one doesn't?
• 21:02
  Because the ingredients seem pretty similar or whatever it
• 21:05
  is. So that's really interesting.
• 21:06
  Do you have, by the way, an app you recommend I.
• 21:08
  Don't so you. Get sponsored by an app or.
• 21:11
  There's one that I do like and I will tell you, but I'm going to
• 21:13
  tell you that I don't. I like apps and I do use them
• 21:16
  myself sometimes because I think it can be a helpful tool, but
• 21:19
  it's not the gospel, you know, You can't just fully put your
• 21:22
  trust into an app. You need to use your own wisdom
• 21:25
  and discernment and your eyeballs and your brain and
• 21:27
  actually look at what ingredients are in things so you
• 21:29
  can start to understand what's in these things and make your
• 21:31
  own decisions. Because these apps, sometimes
• 21:33
  they get bought out or they get influenced different ways over
• 21:36
  time. So they can be helpful.
• 21:37
  I'm not saying don't use an app, one that I like currently called
• 21:40
  Switch Natural and all it does, you can scan any product and it
• 21:45
  tells you based on the, you look at the ingredients, you scan the
• 21:48
  ingredients and then it tells you this ingredient is linked to
• 21:51
  these problems. And and then you can make an
• 21:54
  informed decision there because you say, OK, well maybe I can
• 21:56
  find one without those ingredients or I don't really
• 21:58
  care about that. So you at least know what you're
• 22:00
  getting. And that works for not just like
• 22:03
  household products. Does it work for foods too?
• 22:06
  I don't think that one does food.
• 22:07
  OK, Yeah, that's more people. Like the olive one?
• 22:10
  I haven't tried that one for food, but that one seems good
• 22:12
  too. There are a lot of packaged food
• 22:15
  that that contain additives or ingredients that are actually
• 22:18
  banned in other countries. Should families be avoiding
• 22:21
  these? Absolutely.
• 22:22
  Why not? You know, there's no reason for
• 22:24
  it. I think when we talked about the
• 22:26
  convenient stuff, we've all been sold a lie that everything needs
• 22:29
  to be super palatable and super easy and that a snack is this
• 22:34
  packaged bright thing that your kids are happy.
• 22:36
  It's not a toy, you know, so I think we easily can be avoiding
• 22:40
  these things and there's no reason not to.
• 22:42
  What are some examples of the top products that you would say
• 22:46
  this is the avoid list, but they're often typically in the
• 22:50
  average American household in terms of food?
• 22:53
  I know that there's been a lot more talk about this, which I'm
• 22:55
  happy about and we're seeing a change in this direction, but
• 22:58
  it's the food dyes. I think that one's so easy to
• 23:00
  just avoid things that have any, anything artificial.
• 23:03
  So I go any artificial flavoring, artificial coloring,
• 23:07
  anything that's artificial about it, just avoid that all
• 23:09
  together. And you're already going to,
• 23:11
  again, you're kind of creating a funnel for yourself so that it's
• 23:13
  going to narrow down your choices to something that is a
• 23:16
  little healthier for you. So that probably would say no to
• 23:19
  most of your average or more traditional American cereals as
• 23:23
  an example. Yep.
• 23:24
  Yeah. And a lot of the different snack
• 23:26
  and packaged foods, too, which I forget that so many people eat
• 23:29
  them in my own little bubble at home with my kids, you know?
• 23:31
  And then I go out to like, we went to an amusement park last
• 23:34
  week and I just was flabbergasted that people were
• 23:37
  just pumping their kids full of this stuff.
• 23:39
  What do you mean? What are some examples?
• 23:41
  Like, well, you go to like the my nieces and nephews sports
• 23:44
  games and everybody's got their colored Gatorade.
• 23:46
  And then they get there, everyone gets a snack bag at the
• 23:48
  end. And there's all these little
• 23:50
  like, it's cookie, it's candy. It's like cookies and sugary
• 23:53
  desserts and the colored Gatorade and all the things.
• 23:56
  And yeah, I don't know how we're considering that a snack or a
• 23:59
  health healthy treat. Yeah.
• 24:01
  What do you think about Lunchables?
• 24:02
  Oh, yeah, those are junk too. Yeah.
• 24:04
  And they don't need to. I don't know.
• 24:06
  So when I first started on this journey to.
• 24:09
  And so we were newly married. It's 2013.
• 24:12
  We'd been married just a little over a year.
• 24:14
  I had a health crisis. I'm waking up.
• 24:16
  What am I doing to my body? And then start changing things a
• 24:19
  little bit, have complete revolution like of my health.
• 24:22
  And so I just started making stuff at home more.
• 24:24
  So I started, I told my husband I was packing him a lunchable
• 24:27
  for lunch. And it was just, I put crackers
• 24:29
  and I got a little circular like cookie cutter and I cut the
• 24:33
  Turkey, cut the cheese, I just made them a lunchable, the grown
• 24:36
  up lunchable. We can be doing these things
• 24:38
  ourselves and instead of outsourcing, paying a company to
• 24:41
  do it for us and to give us crummy products in return.
• 24:45
  What would you say is one of the biggest false advertisements
• 24:49
  when it comes to products trying to look healthy, but they're
• 24:53
  actually not healthy? Yeah, it's, it's in the
• 24:55
  marketing. So it'll say all natural or, you
• 24:57
  know, sometimes it'll say like uses real lemons, but you turn
• 25:01
  the package around. Even though they use real
• 25:02
  lemons, they use a lot of other synthetic things too.
• 25:05
  So it's it's the marketing always the front of packages is
• 25:09
  just a marketing team trying to convince you to buy a product.
• 25:12
  It has very little to do with what's actually inside.
• 25:15
  But if it says like no parabens, no phthalates, things like this
• 25:19
  and you know, it's, it's talking about specific ingredients that
• 25:21
  you can trust are not in there. So that kind of marketing is
• 25:24
  informative. It's just like natural.
• 25:26
  Well, they can be informative, but also not telling the whole
• 25:29
  story either. So even though there may be no
• 25:31
  parabens, you might turn around, it still has synthetic
• 25:33
  fragrance, which can have dozens to hundreds of different
• 25:36
  chemicals that do not have to be disclosed to you because they're
• 25:38
  proprietary. Yeah.
• 25:40
  And they're they're not all just there for scent.
• 25:42
  So they might be there to preserve or to extend the life
• 25:47
  of the scent or make it stick to fibers better and things like
• 25:49
  that. So yeah, very sneaky.
• 25:52
  Very sneaky. What's the biggest mistake you
• 25:54
  see moms making in the kitchen while trying to be more healthy?
• 25:57
  So you may be trying to do it perfectly, maybe trying to yeah,
• 26:03
  I don't know, falling for the the traps of marketing and or
• 26:10
  trying to do things perfectly. Meaning if the front of the
• 26:13
  package says like natural, unhealthy or whatever, like just
• 26:16
  your in your view, just ignore that.
• 26:18
  Pretend it didn't say that. Just look at the ingredients.
• 26:20
  That's all you should care about.
• 26:21
  That's it. Turn that package around and
• 26:23
  look at what's inside. Yeah.
• 26:24
  Other times we're paying a higher price tag for the
• 26:26
  marketing, but not actually getting what we think we're
• 26:28
  paying for. How do you make life healthier
• 26:32
  for your family without making it too hard for them?
• 26:35
  I think it becomes just a part of your natural rhythm.
• 26:37
  I my experience with this is I learned this stuff before I
• 26:41
  brought kids into the equation. So my journey is probably going
• 26:44
  to look a little differently for somebody who already has kids
• 26:46
  and is trying to change things. But kids will get on board.
• 26:50
  They, you know, I told you I used to teach in a in a
• 26:52
  classroom and I had 4th grade students and they would bring in
• 26:56
  all kinds of nonsense, you know, like these talkies and a giant
• 26:59
  bottle of soda or whatever for breakfast.
• 27:01
  And so I wanted them to understand what they were
• 27:05
  inviting into their bodies too. So I just had them bring in
• 27:08
  stuff. Hey, let's look at what's inside
• 27:09
  stuff. And I put the docu Cam on and we
• 27:12
  just looked at ingredients and we talked about it like, what do
• 27:14
  you think this word is? And we all try to pronounce it
• 27:17
  and like, I don't know, like, do you, if I like put that on a
• 27:19
  plate, would you eat it? No.
• 27:21
  Well, you are though, you know, it's just having some awareness
• 27:25
  about it too. So I, I think that if we educate
• 27:28
  our kids on these things that they will get more on board.
• 27:30
  And also if we make it fun, we invite them into the process and
• 27:33
  we make food delicious. I make really fun food.
• 27:37
  We have, you know, like the game.
• 27:39
  What are they? Like the baseball field, Taco
• 27:41
  boats? I make them at home but with
• 27:43
  better ingredients, you know? What are the top three biggest
• 27:47
  kitchen swaps that somebody could make that it might be some
• 27:49
  of the easiest in terms of your food and food prep?
• 27:53
  Home making dressing is huge store bought dressing,
• 27:57
  especially if you want one that has healthier ingredients.
• 27:58
  They're really expensive and it could be like, I don't know, $9
• 28:02
  or more for a bottle of dressing where you could make that at
• 28:05
  home for literal pennies. I think that's I don't to me,
• 28:08
  that's the biggest one I see a lot of people wasting money on.
• 28:11
  And you can make it way better at home for nothing.
• 28:14
  So get good at that. Another thing that I like to do
• 28:16
  to make it easier at home is make meals that feed us more
• 28:19
  than once. So I love things like a soup, a
• 28:21
  Stew or a casserole that I can make a big old batch of.
• 28:25
  You can even freeze part of it so that I cook once and we eat
• 28:28
  twice or more. That's made things a lot easier
• 28:31
  for me. And when my kids were really
• 28:32
  small, I did a lot of the prep during nap or at after bedtime
• 28:37
  where I would do whatever chopping or something like that
• 28:39
  and save myself the trouble for when it was, you know, like
• 28:43
  crazy time always during when you're trying to put dinner on
• 28:45
  the table. One of my approaches is to focus
• 28:49
  on protein and fiber and fresh or colorful.
• 28:53
  I kind of lumped those two together so to make the meal
• 28:56
  really easy to not overthink it. So we have a good healthy
• 28:59
  protein, we have plenty of fiber and my plate looks colorful and
• 29:02
  it's a lot of fresh things so that I don't overthink it.
• 29:06
  Love that. What about microwaves?
• 29:09
  I don't know if there's really conclusive research about it.
• 29:12
  I haven't seen. I know they emit emfi know they
• 29:14
  have radiation, but I don't know how problematic it is for our
• 29:17
  health. But I also know that we have
• 29:19
  lived all of humanity without microwaves until that time
• 29:22
  where, like, it was like feminism TV dinner, you know?
• 29:25
  So when ours broke, I was getting ready for my little
• 29:28
  girl's birthday party, like her first or second birthday
• 29:30
  somewhere along there, and I was warming up a bajillion sausages.
• 29:35
  We're doing breakfast for dinner.
• 29:36
  And it broke. And so I thought, OK, let me see
• 29:39
  how long I can live without this thing.
• 29:41
  Maybe I can live without it. And the first couple of days I
• 29:43
  had, you know, my muscle memory of just wanting to pop something
• 29:46
  in the microwave. First couple of days there was
• 29:48
  that. And after that it was not a
• 29:50
  thing at all. It's completely easy to live
• 29:53
  without 1. So my take on it is if I don't
• 29:55
  need it and it can be harmful then just forget about it.
• 29:59
  My husband sent me this study this morning about the lining in
• 30:04
  your sparkling water cans. We have been a big sparkling
• 30:08
  water can household. I think no more after this
• 30:12
  article that we were exchanging with each other, but it
• 30:15
  basically said that the lining in your water cans can lead to.
• 30:20
  Let me just pull this up exactly.
• 30:22
  It says some studies have found that PFAS and popular sparkling
• 30:26
  water brands. The levels often fall below the
• 30:30
  current federal advisory limits. That said, even low levels do
• 30:33
  not necessarily guarantee the drinks are safe.
• 30:35
  The science is evolving, and some health organizations argue
• 30:38
  that even very low levels of exposure put people at at risk.
• 30:42
  It's said that PFAS can act as endocrine disruptors, promote
• 30:45
  oxidative stress and other altered gene expression, or
• 30:48
  interfere with DNA repair. And that could contribute to
• 30:52
  basically cancer and collectoral cancer has specifically been
• 30:56
  tied or or linked with sparkling water cans.
• 31:00
  Yeah, and a lot of people don't realize that not only sparkling
• 31:03
  water cans, but virtually all cans have a plastic lining in
• 31:07
  them. You can find videos where people
• 31:09
  use different chemicals to break down the outer tin or aluminum
• 31:12
  or whatever it is, and then what's left behind is this
• 31:15
  really thin plastic. One of the things that I, when I
• 31:19
  realized this, I started making beans at home because I realized
• 31:22
  that they, when you buy canned beans, I know this is not what
• 31:25
  you asked, but when you buy canned beans, they put the beans
• 31:29
  in the can that you buy them in, seal it, and then they're
• 31:32
  pressure cooked inside that can. It's already lined with plastic,
• 31:36
  so it goes through a really high heat cooking process.
• 31:39
  Beans are cooked in the can. Cooked in the can, yeah.
• 31:42
  So some things are going to have even more of those plastic
• 31:46
  materials. Boiled in plastic.
• 31:48
  Boiled in plastic, Yeah. And then with the sparkling
• 31:50
  water, you think, well, those aren't boiled, right?
• 31:52
  But often times when you buy something, it didn't just
• 31:55
  magically get from the factory to your house.
• 31:59
  It was sat in warehouses and big shipping trucks and containers
• 32:03
  that sat in the hot sun. So they have been affected by
• 32:06
  heat too, which is going to degrade that material and allow
• 32:08
  it to leach into your product more too.
• 32:11
  I don't completely avoid, I like a sparkling, you know, an
• 32:14
  lollipop or something too. But when you can get something
• 32:18
  in glass is going to make it a little less toxic.
• 32:21
  What about glass is the next question.
• 32:24
  So, you know, my husband and I are talking about let's move
• 32:25
  over to Pellegrinos. Yeah.
• 32:28
  Are they Pellegrinos? There's Pellegrino.
• 32:30
  No Perrier. Perrier yeah, No, Pellegrino is
• 32:32
  the one we're going to move to, OK.
• 32:33
  We're not moving to Pellegrinos because they're coming to the
• 32:35
  glass bottle are glass. Are there any issues with glass
• 32:36
  bottles? Well, there can be.
• 32:38
  I saw some studies coming out about the lids that are on these
• 32:41
  bottles. It feels like impossible to
• 32:43
  avoid all the toxins, right? But still, when you make the
• 32:46
  choice to get glass instead of the plastic lined cans, it's
• 32:50
  hopefully going to be a less toxic option for you.
• 32:52
  But sometimes because these, the lids that they put on the
• 32:54
  bottles have plastic in them too.
• 32:56
  And then over time, while they're, you know, like I said,
• 32:58
  they're in the shipping containers and trucks and
• 33:00
  everything, the heat and the water moving, you know, so it
• 33:03
  can get a little, you can still end up with the, the PFAS.
• 33:05
  They're called forever chemicals because they, they take so long
• 33:10
  to break down, not just in your body, but in the environment
• 33:13
  that they are almost everlasting.
• 33:15
  So they can be cumulative and add and add and add without ever
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  If a busy mom listening thinks I do not have the time to make all
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  We're going to be buying things anyway, as especially as moms,
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  we're usually the ones making a lot of these small financial
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  decisions every day about like the groceries or the clothing or
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  the bedding or the personal care and cleaning products, right?
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  So you're going to be making these choices anyway.
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  You can take a little bit of time to read what's in these
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  things and do not do it all at once.
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  Don't do it in a way. Like I said, you do not want to
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  for your kids hearts and minds, you're called to care for their
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  bodies too, and your own too. I can't even care for my kids
• 35:53
  the way that I need to when I'm feeling crummy or I'm riddled
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  with migraines or joint pain or brain fog and fatigue, right?
• 35:59
  So these little things, they do matter.
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  They do add up and it's worth it.
• 36:04
  What is your honest take on eating out?
• 36:06
  Do you recommend against it or just changing how you eat out?
• 36:10
  I like eating. I used to like it a lot more.
• 36:13
  I used to like it a lot more until I realized how crummy I
• 36:17
  was feeling after eating some of these things.
• 36:19
  When I started making food at home myself, it tastes better,
• 36:22
  it cost me less and I feel better afterwards.
• 36:24
  So there's not a lot of motivation for me to eat out
• 36:28
  anymore. But it is still really fun and
• 36:30
  it's nice to have somebody else cook for you so you can make
• 36:33
  choices. Even when I, I did an
• 36:34
  elimination diet, that kind of kick started all of this for me.
• 36:37
  And even during that we, we ate out sometimes and I had, I had
• 36:40
  to be really mindful about what I ordered, you know, so I didn't
• 36:43
  get exposed to the things that I was trying to remove so that I
• 36:46
  could test. So you, you can do it.
• 36:48
  You know, there's, there are a lot more options in restaurants
• 36:51
  now than there used to be. And more are coming because
• 36:53
  people are caring more about this.
• 36:54
  We're kind of changing the way this all is.
• 36:57
  But even if, you know, we sometimes go to in and out, I
• 37:00
  know like we go to in and out and I'll get myself like a
• 37:05
  protein style. I get double meat protein style,
• 37:07
  no spread. Mustard instead is my order.
• 37:09
  And I like grilled and raw onions.
• 37:11
  So yeah, you can even make in and out a little less toxic.
• 37:13
  It doesn't have to be perfect. You don't.
• 37:15
  Have to be a little less toxic because it doesn't have the bun
• 37:18
  and because it doesn't have the IT just has mustard it.
• 37:21
  Does fake cheese and no spread The spread has a lot of stuff in
• 37:24
  it. Stuff, yeah, like, you know, the
• 37:26
  seed oils and like polysorbate 80 preservatives and the I, I
• 37:30
  recently shared about it and I got a lot of like no cheese.
• 37:33
  It's not even real cheese. It's it's got a lot of weird
• 37:36
  stuff. American cheese isn't real
• 37:37
  cheese. It's I think they call it like a
• 37:40
  cheese product or something like that.
• 37:42
  Wow, I don't like the branding is so sad.
• 37:45
  I I mean I like a good Parmesan. You know, that's like a real
• 37:47
  cheese mozzarella. You can do like even a cheddar
• 37:50
  that's like a good cheddar. But if it's not, you know if
• 37:53
  they call it American and all of a sudden it's like the worst
• 37:54
  cheese ever. Yeah, yeah.
• 37:56
  But you know what? I didn't know that I didn't feel
• 37:59
  good. I used to eat out and I thought
• 38:01
  I felt fine. It wasn't until I removed these
• 38:03
  things from my life that I actually saw with a difference
• 38:06
  it can make. Same with the fragrance and
• 38:07
  things like that. Once they're actually out of
• 38:10
  your life, you have to give your body time to recalibrate.
• 38:12
  Once it's out and your body's more balanced now, you can
• 38:16
  notice the reaction that you had dulled yourself to.
• 38:18
  So now I'll go. If we go eat out and I feel
• 38:20
  junky afterward, I'm less likely to want to do that again.
• 38:23
  Or if I buy a product that has a bunch of fragrance in it or
• 38:26
  something because I like the way it smelled and it gives me a
• 38:28
  headache. I don't really want to keep
• 38:30
  doing that to myself. I want to explore food a little
• 38:33
  bit more. So let's say you're a you're a
• 38:34
  mom in the grocery store. You're about to do your average
• 38:36
  run. What are the things that you
• 38:38
  would avoid? You've mentioned a couple things
• 38:40
  like, you know, salad dressings or food dyes.
• 38:43
  What are some other things that you would avoid in that grocery
• 38:45
  store and other things that you would say these are options to
• 38:49
  opt for instead for a healthier home.
• 38:52
  So I think we my focus is on instead of what I'm avoiding,
• 38:57
  it's what I'm looking for. So we'll fill our fridge and our
• 39:00
  pantry and our home with mostly just whole food items and less
• 39:04
  packaged items. But there's a time and a place
• 39:06
  for a packaged snack, right? I think I have a bar in my bag
• 39:09
  right now, but there are less toxic options for that too.
• 39:12
  But so I try and focus on Whole Foods 1st and then when there's
• 39:15
  an occasion where you might need to package something or other,
• 39:18
  find the thing that has ingredients in it that are
• 39:21
  ingredients I would use in my own home.
• 39:23
  So when you say Whole Foods, are you talking about just fruits
• 39:25
  and veggies? I mean, what is what is a whole
• 39:28
  food that's not a fruit or a veggie or like a bean or a nut,
• 39:30
  I guess. Yeah, yeah.
• 39:31
  So like seeds, grains, nuts, meat, dairy products, anything
• 39:35
  that's more in its whole natural form.
• 39:37
  What about the frozen section? What are things to avoid in the
• 39:40
  frozen section and what are some options that you would say are
• 39:42
  healthier in the frozen section? I.
• 39:44
  Love the frozen Section 4 especially like fruits and
• 39:47
  vegetables. It's a great budget hack.
• 39:50
  Like berries are very expensive and especially now I they're
• 39:53
  crazy. I buy frozen berries all the
• 39:56
  time and it makes it. We use it to make different,
• 39:58
  like jam or compote or throw it in a smoothie and it's a great
• 40:02
  budget hack especially. If you buy like in you know, at
• 40:05
  Costco or something like that. So but in the freezer section, I
• 40:08
  would avoid the things that are more processed.
• 40:10
  So a lot of them have just oils that I would never use at home
• 40:13
  and different stabilizers and preservatives that I would never
• 40:17
  use at home and are just not necessary, especially if you can
• 40:19
  make it yourself for pretty easily.
• 40:21
  I noticed with a lot of the like flash frozen veggies, whether
• 40:24
  it's like broccoli or other veggies, sometimes they're like
• 40:27
  OK, steam it in the bag in the microwave.
• 40:30
  No, do not do that. Do not do that.
• 40:34
  I. Buy those too.
• 40:34
  I get the. Big bag of broccoli, steam meat
• 40:37
  and. You're like, every time I'm
• 40:39
  like, how dare you? No.
• 40:40
  Yeah. Cut the bag open and throw it in
• 40:42
  a pan with some butter or oil. Or you can steam it.
• 40:45
  You just you. There's a steamer basket.
• 40:47
  It's this thing. It's called the steamer basket
• 40:49
  and you put it in the bottle. You're made of plastic.
• 40:51
  No, I have a stainless steel 1 and you put it in the bottom of
• 40:54
  your pan, you add a little bit of water and you put your
• 40:56
  broccoli or whatever it is in there and you pop the lid on and
• 40:59
  call it a day. You do not need that microwave
• 41:01
  and you don't need that plastic bag.
• 41:02
  What about chicken Nuggets? We haven't done those.
• 41:06
  I don't know. I will shout out good ranchers
• 41:09
  here because they have the seed oil free chicken Nuggets which
• 41:12
  actually tastes really great. Haven't tried them, you should.
• 41:14
  Try and let me know you think, but that's what we got in our
• 41:17
  little good good ranchers box. And then I've like looked at the
• 41:20
  other ones in the store and we've tried other ones of
• 41:22
  course, right. I am curious about how to
• 41:25
  discern because Yuca app tells me as an example, like it has
• 41:28
  told me I'm in Costco, right? And it will look at like the,
• 41:31
  you know, natural, you know, chicken made from chicken
• 41:34
  breast, whatever they look, it looks kind of better from like
• 41:37
  Costco. And then there's the Dino bites.
• 41:39
  Yes. And Yuka app told me Dino Bites
• 41:42
  was healthier than the like Costco Kirkland signature made
• 41:46
  from chicken breast whatever. And I was like, how can this be?
• 41:50
  I don't know. We're gonna have to explore
• 41:51
  this. Question, right?
• 41:52
  Yeah, I know. I'm gonna have to ask you about
• 41:53
  that. Actually, I can maybe pull it
• 41:54
  up. I'm gonna pull it up right now.
• 41:55
  Let's do this, okay? I wonder what they're basing
• 41:57
  that I know. Well, you already told me all of
• 41:59
  it might be a improvement over Yuka here, here.
• 42:02
  So let me pull up my history on Yuka for my chicken nugget
• 42:07
  exploration. So I had the lightly breaded
• 42:11
  chicken breast chunks, which sounded really good, right?
• 42:14
  They're chicken breast chunks. They're not, you know, pureed
• 42:17
  and then reprocessed together, right?
• 42:20
  And Yucca app says that they are contain additives to avoid.
• 42:26
  It says they have monocalcium phosphate high risk texturizing
• 42:30
  agent, disodium disphosphate texturizing agent and sodium
• 42:35
  bicarbonate texturizing agent. What's that?
• 42:37
  Yeah, isn't that baking soda? I don't know, but that's it
• 42:41
  doesn't like that. And then it says, you know, it
• 42:45
  gives it 33 out of 100. This is your cup, of course.
• 42:47
  And then it had the dyno bites. Let's pull those up.
• 42:51
  Dyno buddies. 63 out of 100. And this one, it said the only
• 42:57
  additives it had are gargum. Gargum.
• 43:01
  OK, Yeah. What do you think of Gargum?
• 43:02
  I had to try and avoid it. OK, limited.
• 43:04
  Risk, it says. And then it does have the sodium
• 43:06
  bicarbonate. OK, But it didn't have any of
• 43:08
  the other things. But I was just amazed because
• 43:10
  these look so fake. I mean, yeah.
• 43:12
  And what? Are all the.
• 43:12
  Ingredients. I don't know, Harris, I'm going
• 43:14
  to send you a screenshot of this.
• 43:16
  I mean, they look, yeah, let me actually do this properly.
• 43:18
  But it they just looks and they're called Dino buddies.
• 43:22
  Like, that in and of itself seems problematic.
• 43:25
  Yeah, it says no artificial flavors ever, right?
• 43:28
  And maybe that's why. And then it says less sodium.
• 43:31
  So. But it sounds like you would say
• 43:33
  just say avoid unless maybe you're friends with good
• 43:35
  ranchers but generally avoid them.
• 43:36
  Well, no, and the good ranchers ones might be fine.
• 43:39
  I just haven't done chicken Nuggets, so I don't know.
• 43:41
  Yeah. If there were better options,
• 43:42
  I'd probably buy them, yeah. Yeah, what about sugar and, and
• 43:47
  you know the impact of sugar when you're buying processed
• 43:50
  foods, you're saying typically don't do it.
• 43:51
  Well, what if you just buy your barrel of sugar or whatever in
• 43:54
  your home and you're baking fresh chocolate chip cookies
• 43:56
  every day? I think that's totally fine.
• 43:57
  I would get an organic sugar. I like to sweeten with things
• 44:00
  that are less refined like Maple syrup and honey or even coconut
• 44:03
  sugar. But we use we use regular sugar
• 44:05
  on occasion too. I think it's fine and you're
• 44:07
  going to find that you feel better making them at home too,
• 44:10
  even if you're using a whole lot of sugar.
• 44:12
  Just like our grandmas did, you know, they just used real food
• 44:15
  ingredients and the people weren't having all of these
• 44:17
  crazy health ailments that we're seeing today.
• 44:20
  It's true. I mean, it's crazy how health
• 44:22
  issues have spiked in the last few decades.
• 44:24
  Yeah, and the packaged foods have so much more sugar than you
• 44:27
  think. Even the salt too, because
• 44:29
  sometimes when I'm cooking on camera, sometimes people are
• 44:31
  like, that's a lot of salt. I'm like, that is not a lot of
• 44:33
  salt. You should see how much salt is
• 44:35
  added to the things that you buy or if you go out to a restaurant
• 44:38
  you no idea how much salt or adding same with sugar.
• 44:40
  So I think adult humans are not supposed to have more than I
• 44:44
  think it's 24 grams of added sugar in a day.
• 44:48
  You will pass that and like you mentioned sodas, if you get 1
• 44:51
  can of Coke, I think it's like 39 grams or something crazy in
• 44:55
  one can of Coke. And that's just one drink for
• 44:58
  the day. Not to mention all the packaged
• 44:59
  foods or other kinds of things that you might be picking up
• 45:01
  along the way. Too crazy.
• 45:03
  Sugar's wild. How important is shopping
• 45:05
  organic produce versus non organic?
• 45:07
  I think the most important thing is to be eating more Whole Foods
• 45:11
  or whole fruits and vegetables. So I like to say if you can go
• 45:15
  organic. If you can't, don't panic is
• 45:17
  it's most important that you're just eating food.
• 45:19
  But if you can go organic because it's going to redo some
• 45:22
  of those different toxins like pesticides that you're bringing
• 45:25
  into your home and into your body.
• 45:26
  Are there certain vegetables or fruits that are more important
• 45:30
  to go organic versus not? Let's say your budget like half
• 45:33
  of it like I think I can do half organic, half not.
• 45:36
  Or maybe the options for just organic aren't there, which are
• 45:38
  the ones that are like, hey, these these products you should
• 45:40
  really be trying to do organic, these fruits and veggies versus
• 45:43
  these other ones. It's not as big of a deal.
• 45:45
  Items that have a thicker skin on them, I would feel better
• 45:48
  about getting non organic if I needed to because I'm eating the
• 45:51
  inside and it's got that barrier of protection on it.
• 45:53
  And there's also it's the PWG, it's the environmental working
• 45:57
  group. And every year they come out
• 45:58
  with their clean 15 and their dirty dozen.
• 46:01
  And I don't, I don't remember what they put on their list this
• 46:04
  year, but they, it's easy to look up and they're a lot of
• 46:07
  times the same offenders on there.
• 46:09
  And they list the 12 items, the fruits and vegetables that are
• 46:13
  going to have the highest amount of pesticides.
• 46:15
  So these are like The Dirty dozen.
• 46:16
  Let's avoid those when we can. And then the clean 15 like these
• 46:19
  have the lowest amount. So these are totally OK to buy
• 46:22
  non, non organic. So that's a good guide to look
• 46:24
  at too. Someone was telling me that
• 46:26
  because of the pesticides in the water supply in non organic
• 46:31
  farming. Again, I don't know if this
• 46:33
  checks out so let me know what you think about this.
• 46:36
  It's actually the water loading fruits and vegetables like like
• 46:40
  a watermelon as an example. It's actually you're of a higher
• 46:44
  concentrate of pesticides if the fruit is just basically the
• 46:48
  water, because it's the water that's pesticide.
• 46:51
  See, that makes sense too. And that would go, oh, sorry,
• 46:53
  that would go against my thick skin only eating the inside
• 46:56
  thing. So yeah, that would make sense
• 46:57
  too. I think about it, you know,
• 46:59
  because the fruits, it's not like it just magically appeared
• 47:01
  there. It came from the seed and the
• 47:04
  root and the plant and it has had a whole life behind it,
• 47:07
  maybe years. And if this plant has had
• 47:09
  pesticide exposure to it all over the course of its life,
• 47:12
  it's going to impact the fruit. Like I think it's the fruit,
• 47:15
  right? So if I'm I as a person, if I've
• 47:18
  been exposed to lots of different toxins over my life,
• 47:21
  everything that comes out of me is going to have some of that
• 47:23
  exposure too. Have you seen that thing where
• 47:26
  it's like when you're growing a baby girl that you're not only
• 47:30
  just growing her, you're growing the eggs inside of her that are?
• 47:34
  Going on your. Grandbabies, right?
• 47:35
  So if my body is toxic, it's not just impacting me, it's
• 47:38
  impacting other generation. I think the same with plants,
• 47:41
  right? So if we can, go organic, and if
• 47:43
  you can't, don't panic. I've also heard just on the
• 47:47
  panic and I was like, the more you learn, you're like, Oh my
• 47:50
  gosh, that the that the organic fruits and veggies in the store
• 47:54
  can be tagged organic, but they're because in the last year
• 47:59
  or whatever the field or you know, wherever they were
• 48:01
  harvested from, they did not use any pesticides.
• 48:04
  But that same area or location was pounded with pesticides
• 48:08
  maybe the year prior, but they were one year pesticide free.
• 48:11
  So they're able to be like, we're organic, but actually
• 48:13
  there's a ton of pesticides they'll present in the.
• 48:15
  Crop right? Or even like neighboring fields
• 48:18
  with spray. Yeah, yeah, it's never going to
• 48:20
  be perfect. We do, I say.
• 48:22
  Grow your own food. What do we?
• 48:23
  What do we do? Even then, it's in our water,
• 48:26
  it's in our soil, it's in our air.
• 48:27
  But yeah, I say do what you can, with what you're able and as it
• 48:30
  makes sense for you. You do not have to live a life
• 48:32
  of perfection. We do not need to live in fear.
• 48:35
  But the small things do add up, for good or for bad.
• 48:37
  So just do the best you can. I want to check for a minute
• 48:40
  about clothing. This is something that more and
• 48:43
  more people are learning about, but it's not mainstream enough
• 48:46
  yet. So we wear I.
• 48:49
  I don't know what I'm wearing. Actually, I should know, but
• 48:51
  likely there is. I hope it's cotton, but it looks
• 48:54
  cottony. But there is a ton, a ton of
• 48:56
  clothing today, including underwear, baby clothes,
• 48:58
  Everything else is made out of plastics.
• 49:01
  Tell me more about what to look for in clothes and then swaps
• 49:05
  that people should consider making to avoid toxins in their
• 49:08
  clothing. Yeah, So any thing that's
• 49:10
  polyester is plastic. I didn't realize that for a
• 49:12
  really long time. It's literally I'm just wearing
• 49:14
  a plastic bag. Also things like nylon and
• 49:17
  rayon. So I think the most important
• 49:20
  areas to hit for this are pajamas and underpants and
• 49:25
  things like that, right? The things that are going to be
• 49:27
  closest to our bodies and closest to intimate areas, and
• 49:29
  also things we spend the most amount of time in, especially
• 49:32
  during sleep and restorative time for kids.
• 49:34
  Organic jammies for sure, and organic cotton.
• 49:37
  Organic cotton jammies, Yeah. And if you can, and if you
• 49:40
  can't, again, if you can't go organic, that's totally OK.
• 49:43
  Natural fibers are superior. And what?
• 49:46
  If they're like brightly colored and dyed and they have sparkles
• 49:50
  on them, is that our problem? Like, I mean, a lot of these
• 49:53
  even like organic, like it says organic.
• 49:55
  Like you order something from Carters, Yeah.
• 49:57
  And it's like bright red or pink and it has like sparkles on it,
• 50:00
  right? So some of the dyes can be
• 50:01
  problematic too. So it's just how far you want to
• 50:04
  take it or how far you can take it.
• 50:06
  So you can go to like non dyed organic cotton only and live
• 50:10
  that way. And that sounds totally fine and
• 50:12
  lovely too. But most of us aren't going to
• 50:14
  do that. So I don't want you to think you
• 50:16
  have to do that in order to be like protecting yourself or
• 50:19
  taking care of your kids or your family.
• 50:21
  But yeah, I think of the more that we can go with natural
• 50:23
  fibers, things like cotton, wool, hemp, linen, the the
• 50:27
  better we're going to be doing for our bodies.
• 50:28
  That also, now that I I don't live perfectly that way either.
• 50:32
  I've just been replacing things over time as needed that the
• 50:35
  more that I wear natural fibers, when I put something on that
• 50:39
  synthetic fibers, now it feels like plastic and it didn't used
• 50:42
  to. It's that same concept again
• 50:43
  where my body got really used to it and felt like this is so
• 50:46
  soft, but now when I put it on like this feels like I want to
• 50:50
  sweat it's. A plastic, I mean, it is, yeah.
• 50:54
  It's like locking it in, right? Yes.
• 50:56
  What about this goes from bamboo?
• 50:58
  So that so bamboo is natural, right?
• 51:01
  And it can be such a soft fabric and I do think it can be a less
• 51:04
  toxic option, but to take something that's one of the
• 51:07
  strongest materials on the planet and turn it into a soft
• 51:09
  fiber, it has to go through a chemical process to become that.
• 51:13
  So that that's something that you want to consider when you're
• 51:16
  buying bamboo. Although I do I really I have
• 51:18
  bamboo sheets that I. Just love like bamboo sheets but
• 51:23
  they're less toxic you're saying than polyester.
• 51:25
  They are doing better, yeah. And it is more like that term
• 51:29
  breathable bothers me too because it's just a marketing
• 51:31
  term. Polyester is not going to be
• 51:33
  breathable. I don't care how loose the weave
• 51:35
  is, it's still plastic. But bamboo is a lot more
• 51:38
  breathable than something like a polyester too.
• 51:40
  And I'm I'm not treating. I actually tried.
• 51:42
  I did linen sheets for a couple of years.
• 51:44
  But they're scratchy. I love them but they RIP it.
• 51:47
  Just I don't want to pay $300.00 for sheets that are going to RIP
• 51:50
  in a year. So yeah, yeah, not for me.
• 51:53
  But you're just would say cotton, too is like a go, go,
• 51:56
  yeah. And you can get pure 100% cotton
• 51:58
  sheets even like Target and Walmart now, so that's awesome.
• 52:01
  One more section of products I want to make sure we get to is
• 52:04
  your personal care products. You already talked about no
• 52:06
  fragrances. What about your brushing of the
• 52:09
  teeth? Are there toothpaste that you
• 52:11
  say these are a no go zone? Try to avoid and swap with what?
• 52:17
  Yeah. So I personally avoid fluoride.
• 52:20
  It's a known, it's a known neurotoxin.
• 52:23
  So it can have problems for our brains, and I don't think that I
• 52:27
  should harm my brain to save my teeth, and I also don't think
• 52:32
  that I have to. So there are a lot of other
• 52:34
  options. Like there's a hydroxy appetite
• 52:36
  has come onto the scene in the last five or ten years that I
• 52:39
  guess it was used in Japan as NASA, something to do with it.
• 52:42
  And it can be really protective for teeth without any of the
• 52:46
  toxins or neurotoxins. And even you can go without the
• 52:50
  hydroxy appetite and still have a great toothpaste.
• 52:52
  So some people don't like hydroxy appetite for different
• 52:55
  reasons. But yeah, I would avoid the
• 52:56
  fluoride personally. And I also don't like SLS like a
• 52:59
  foaming agent. We as another thing we got
• 53:02
  taught it was like the 80's, the scrubbing bubbles and it was
• 53:05
  like the bubbles make things clean.
• 53:06
  Bubbles don't necessarily make things clean.
• 53:08
  They just give us the feeling of that.
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  And so we've taught ourselves in our minds that that's what clean
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  is. What about lotions and other
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  skin care? So again, I would avoid
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  fragrance and those, and then I also just look for different
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  parabens and phthalates and other things like that that will
• 53:24
  be lurking in the ingredients list.
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  So anything that's there, there's going to be chemicals in
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  some of these things and some of them are less problematic than
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  others. I'm not against all chemicals,
• 53:34
  but I like to know what kind of risk might be involved in them.
• 53:37
  So like that Switch Natural app, That Switch Natural app I
• 53:40
  mentioned is really helpful for something like a personal care
• 53:43
  product. And what is a makeup product or
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  makeup products that maybe people would be surprised to
• 53:48
  learn is really toxic? A makeup product, I'm not really
• 53:53
  sure I think any of them can be, but the ones that well, your
• 53:56
  lipstick you're ingesting, it's going to be going off your
• 54:00
  lipstick into your body. So that's probably one that I
• 54:03
  would think. About what should you avoid in a
• 54:05
  lipstick? Like what are some things to
• 54:06
  look for that would be red flags?
• 54:07
  The parabens, the phthalates, any of those types of things and
• 54:11
  it can go on. I know some people are concerned
• 54:14
  about different types of coloring agents that they use
• 54:16
  and where it comes from and things like that.
• 54:18
  And what about hair sprays and hair products?
• 54:21
  Yeah, same. We just used one on you today.
• 54:23
  Sorry. I know a lot of times.
• 54:26
  I'm like, I have makeup on that I don't normally use at home and
• 54:29
  it probably has fragrance in it and things like that.
• 54:31
  I've I've actually sometimes when I've gotten hair and makeup
• 54:34
  done, I'd get it or, you know, I go to the salon and let them use
• 54:36
  their shampoo and then I get a headache later, you know.
• 54:40
  Yeah. So, you know, it's on occasion.
• 54:41
  It's not going to destroy you, but if it's something that
• 54:44
  you're going to be using every single day or regularly, then
• 54:47
  yeah, consider getting some thing with better ingredients.
• 54:50
  And there are hair sprays, there are blush, lipstick, everything
• 54:53
  you can imagine now that have better ingredients for you that
• 54:56
  work really well too. What's the first personal care
• 54:59
  product that people should switch?
• 55:00
  I think deodorant because number one, you're going to buy it
• 55:04
  again soon. That's something that we go
• 55:06
  through pretty quickly. And also most deodorants have
• 55:09
  aluminum in them because they're actually trying to block your
• 55:12
  perspiration. It's an antiperspirant.
• 55:14
  We don't want to block our pores from perspiring.
• 55:18
  It's a healthy part of our detoxification process.
• 55:21
  And also there the aluminum is really not good for our bodies.
• 55:25
  It's also a neurotoxin. And so we're applying it not
• 55:28
  only every single day on our skin, we're putting it in a
• 55:31
  vulnerable, vulnerable area right into our like a major
• 55:35
  lymphatic area. And so if we're absorbing any of
• 55:38
  those different chemicals or ingredients, it's not really
• 55:41
  good for us. So I would swap deodorant right
• 55:43
  away, especially you don't have to throw out what you have,
• 55:46
  although you can, it might not be a bad idea, but once it
• 55:49
  starts to run low, find one that's healthier ingredients, no
• 55:52
  aluminum, you don't want an antiperspirant, Get a deodorant.
• 55:55
  Try and get something without fragrance.
• 55:56
  And it has a more simple ingredient list.
• 55:58
  And some of them will work better than others.
• 56:01
  And we we went on a journey trying to get to a brand or a
• 56:05
  type that worked for both of us. But now my husband specifically
• 56:08
  will request like hey buy me that deodorant again.
• 56:11
  Which one have you found? Family Pure.
• 56:13
  Primally pure. OK, check out primarily pure.
• 56:15
  I love that. I Yeah.
• 56:17
  One other question just on the scent stuff because I also love
• 56:19
  scents. Yeah.
• 56:20
  I actually stopped using perfume years ago because my husband and
• 56:24
  I were we're on kind of on the Kik and we're like, this is not.
• 56:26
  First of all, a lot of them actually smell bad.
• 56:28
  Like they're just like, oh, it's too much.
• 56:30
  And then we realized these are not also good for you.
• 56:32
  But that being said, still love your scents, like whether it's
• 56:35
  in deodorant or, you know, hair products or whatever.
• 56:38
  What do you recommend for body scents?
• 56:41
  I know you said the thing about you can boil, you know, citrus
• 56:45
  on your stove, which is that you put lavender in your drawers.
• 56:47
  What about any other personal care products that you can do
• 56:50
  that have has a scent? Yeah, so some of them have
• 56:53
  essential oils added to them, so it might be like a body lotion
• 56:56
  or a body bomb or something like that.
• 56:57
  And that can add a bit of fragrance, too.
• 56:59
  And there are also some less toxic perfumes and colognes now
• 57:02
  and more brands that are popping up all the time.
• 57:04
  I actually just ordered from a brand this week to try out and I
• 57:06
  already forgot what their name is but there there are some that
• 57:10
  some use synthetics but they're safer synthetics and some use
• 57:12
  only essential oils or anything in between.
• 57:15
  So you just have to find out where your balance is there.
• 57:18
  I want to just talk for a minute about you as a mother and you've
• 57:22
  made these changes for your kids, for yourself, your
• 57:24
  husband, your family and your kids and kids, I think love
• 57:29
  snacks. You know, we have obviously you
• 57:30
  can do like fresh veggies, fresh fruit.
• 57:33
  That's a great go to. What are some other go to snacks
• 57:36
  if they're not the veggie or the fruit option that you think?
• 57:38
  Hey these are great healthy options for kids.
• 57:39
  Like packaged. Snacks.
• 57:41
  There are so many good ones now that didn't exist.
• 57:43
  Scout bar is one of my favorite ones.
• 57:44
  They have just like seven ingredients or less and they're
• 57:47
  all real food. Like I would make a scout Yeah
• 57:49
  with AK less. Or Z bars.
• 57:52
  I haven't tried those. I can't remember what's in them
• 57:55
  or not. Yeah, I'm trying to think.
• 57:57
  OK so I need to think of ones. I get a lot of our snacks online
• 58:00
  when I get packaged stuff because the in store options are
• 58:03
  more limited, but there are some they're coming into stores I
• 58:06
  know like Lesser Evil, Siete, Midday squares.
• 58:12
  I'm trying to think there are. There are a lot of good options.
• 58:15
  I wish I could just riff a bunch of brands.
• 58:16
  On those are good. You gave us a few tick chomps.
• 58:19
  Pretty chomps, yeah. Even though they're all wrapped
• 58:21
  up in plastic. Yeah, you know, it's, it's nice.
• 58:23
  They're not ideal. They're not boiling that chomp.
• 58:27
  Do not try your chomp in the microwave.
• 58:31
  Disgusting. Yeah, yeah, there and a lot more
• 58:34
  brands are starting to make more options that way too.
• 58:35
  There's like Boulder Canyon chips you can get at Costco and
• 58:38
  they cook theirs in avocado oil. Like, that's great.
• 58:41
  It's just potatoes, avocado oil and salt.
• 58:43
  That's how I would make them at home if I were doing it.
• 58:45
  So yeah, I just turn the pack. Even if I give you a brand
• 58:48
  recommendation, I don't want you to just blindly go, this brand
• 58:51
  is safe. You know you need to still
• 58:53
  within any brand, they can have different products that aren't
• 58:57
  as non-toxic as other ones. You got to turn stuff around
• 58:59
  reading ingredients. When you strip everything back,
• 59:02
  what do you think makes a good mom?
• 59:06
  I don't know the answer to that. A good mom is somebody who takes
• 59:10
  her job as a mother seriously, who's a Good Wife to their
• 59:14
  daddy, who cares for their minds, bodies and spirits, who
• 59:19
  disciples them and raises them up in the way of the Lord and
• 59:23
  sets a good example with her own life.
• 59:26
  I love that. What encouragement do you have
• 59:28
  to moms who are beginning their detoxing journey?
• 59:32
  It can be really overwhelming, and it doesn't have to be.
• 59:36
  My encouragement is that you were made by a perfect creator
• 59:40
  in an imperfect body and an imperfect time.
• 59:44
  And He knew all that when He made you.
• 59:46
  And He's given you the tools and the equipment and everything
• 59:51
  that you need to make a healthier choice for you and for
• 59:54
  your kids today and every day. And it does not need to be
• 59:57
  something that taxes you or adds.
• 59:59
  I know you already carry a lot. And he's not asking you to carry
• 1:00:03
  more, but he is asking you to carry it well, and he's not
• 1:00:08
  asking you to carry it alone. He will walk with you every step
• 1:00:11
  of the way. Beautiful, I have your books
• 1:00:13
  here. Thank you for writing them and
• 1:00:16
  sharing them with us. And there's a healthier home and
• 1:00:19
  a Healthier Home cook, which is so fun.
• 1:00:22
  Whole food recipes. But this one is this room by
• 1:00:25
  room guide to make any space a little less toxic.
• 1:00:27
  How can people find it? Anywhere books are sold.
• 1:00:30
  Yeah, I, I wrote it not as like a pickup read all the way
• 1:00:34
  through. And now you flip a switch and
• 1:00:36
  your life is better. It's about tending the garden
• 1:00:38
  that is your life and home and body.
• 1:00:40
  And so it'll be a resource for you that hopefully you'll pull
• 1:00:43
  off the shelf hundreds of times over the years as you make
• 1:00:45
  simple or sometimes big swaps along the way.
• 1:00:48
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• 1:00:51
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