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Media Spin was IN on Walz Debate Performance · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 1: Eight men, all migrants, have been arrested for allegedly looting
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Speaker 1: and burglarizing flood ravage victims in eastern Tennessee. All eight men,
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Speaker 1: all migrants, were arrested for looting and burglarizing victims. The
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Speaker 1: suspects were arrested in Washington County, Tennessee, on September the
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Speaker 1: twenty ninth, on suspension of burglary and or aggravated burglary.
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Speaker 1: All of the individuals, Yes, looks like they are illegal
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Speaker 1: immigrants who are seeing an opportunity here to take from
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Speaker 1: those that are suffering. And those are the people that
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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris and Joe Biden have let into this country.
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Speaker 1: And I go back to what I said earlier. They
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Speaker 1: don't care if you are in a state that won't
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Speaker 1: vote for them, or they believe is not going to
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Speaker 1: vote for them, then screw you.
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Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, yeah we sure did. We
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Speaker 2: brought in.
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Speaker 1: A whole bunch, a whole bunch of illegal immigrants, and yeah,
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Speaker 1: they're going to steal from you when they have an.
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Speaker 2: Opportunity to do it. To fall out from something that JD.
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Speaker 1: Vance said that the left is really upset about. And
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Speaker 1: he said, and they were trying to turn into like, oh,
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Speaker 1: you're a racist because he said, well, you let twenty
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Speaker 1: million American or legal immigrants come into America, what the
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Speaker 1: hell do you think was going to happen?
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Speaker 2: We're going to have higher home prices.
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Speaker 1: And they immediately were like, that's not true, that's not true.
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Speaker 2: Right, it is true. We know it's true.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 1: Tim Waltz is out there saying in these one on
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Speaker 1: one interviews, Oh, we're going to make housing more affordable
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Speaker 1: again without a plan, but he keeps saying it over
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Speaker 1: and over again.
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Speaker 2: Apparently everybody believes him.
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Speaker 4: We're here in Asheville. This is one area of the
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Speaker 4: state where we've seen housing prices skyrocket. Here, there's very
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Speaker 4: little affordable housing. It's the story you see time and again.
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Speaker 4: How do you think your plan can help?
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Speaker 5: Well, first of all, the Vice President's plan starts by
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Speaker 5: that this shortage of housing units in general is three
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Speaker 5: million new unit and she understands this is making sure
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Speaker 5: that we're not seeing banks by these things up keep
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Speaker 5: money inventory, and then that down payment assistance for me,
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Speaker 5: I use the GI bill. I think she's talking about
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Speaker 5: making sure you tax credits, that we're able to make
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Speaker 5: sure people have the money to go forward.
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Speaker 2: I love this.
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Speaker 1: So they say, well, we just seed a bunch more houses,
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Speaker 1: and we're gonna give you money to do it, right.
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Speaker 1: And so then they came out with this plan. They're like,
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Speaker 1: all right, we're just gonna give you like twenty five
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Kama Harrison a big, big one on one
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Speaker 1: exclusive with MSNBC with this type of propaganda, and she said, well,
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Speaker 1: we're gonna housing more affordable, right, and we're gonna we're
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Speaker 1: gonna make sure they're not price gouging you.
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Speaker 2: And they blame everybody.
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Speaker 1: They blame the boogeyman, the evil big banks, the private investors, right.
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Speaker 2: And so then they.
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Speaker 1: Come out they're like, God, we're gonna give you money
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Speaker 1: for houses, right, Like we're gonna we're gonna give you
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Speaker 1: a bunch of cash. We're gonna give you twenty five
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Speaker 1: thousand highest bidder if that's what you want, We're gonna
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Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna give you, you know, twenty five
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Speaker 1: thousand and and and that's gonna, you know, fix your problem. Well,
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Speaker 1: every economist came out like, if you give a twenty
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Speaker 1: five thousand dollars check first time home buyers, that's going
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Speaker 1: to happen. The price of every home in America is
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Speaker 1: just going to go up. Like everybody knows this, it's
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Speaker 1: basic economics. And you have this idea now that oh, well,
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Speaker 1: we're just gonna, you know, randomly build a bunch of
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Speaker 1: houses that the government's going to subsidize, and that's somehow
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Speaker 1: going to fix the problem. Harris is going to kill housing,
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Speaker 1: is what the experts have said. They're going to kill housing.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: Not only are they going to kill it with they're planned,
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Speaker 1: but they're killing the American dream of owning a house
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Speaker 1: because of all the illegal immigrants they've led into this country.
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Speaker 1: And during the debate, they're like, well, that's not true.
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Speaker 6: And J. D.
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Speaker 1: Vance wrote back pretty quickly right the to the biased
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Speaker 1: people he's talking to. He was like, hold on a second, Well,
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Speaker 1: we'll put it up online. We'll stick the facts out there.
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Speaker 1: If you think that illegal immigrants aren't rising the prices
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Speaker 1: of home and rent, you're insane. And guess what the
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Speaker 1: fact show you guessed it. That's exactly what's happening, all right.
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Speaker 1: So before I get back to the busted fact check
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Speaker 1: on the lie that was told during the debate that
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Speaker 1: illegal immigrants are not causing the prices of housing and
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Speaker 1: rent to go up. Let's just also hammer down on
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Speaker 1: this twenty five thousand dollars that she just randomly says
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Speaker 1: is like magic money that she's going to give out
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Speaker 1: to everybody that wants to buy a house.
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Speaker 2: It's never going to happen.
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Speaker 1: Number one, and number two, it is not going to
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Speaker 1: lower the price of housing or make housing more affordable,
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Speaker 1: which is what she's claiming. It's just going to make
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Speaker 1: the price of every house cup twenty five grand. Because
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Speaker 1: everybody knows, well, you got the twenty five grand. The
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Speaker 1: government just gave it to you, which means the taxpayers
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Speaker 1: we are subsidizing everybody else's house.
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Speaker 7: Listen, I want to talk about Harris's Kamala Harris's economic plan.
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Speaker 7: You've got a tweet out there saying that Harris is
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Speaker 7: either financially illiterate, incompetent, or she believes her voters are.
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Speaker 7: You really don't like her plan? Do your grant no,
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Speaker 7: because I know it won't work.
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Speaker 6: Okay, she's going to to kill housing, Okay, Like I
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Speaker 6: don't know why she's I guess I understand why she's
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Speaker 6: not giving people like you a moment to ask her
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Speaker 6: a question, why would you want to build or three
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Speaker 6: million homes when you know your four point two million
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Speaker 6: home shark? Why would you want to give a twenty
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Speaker 6: five thousand dollars first time tax credit or buyer's credit
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Speaker 6: when you know that's going to inflate housing? Okay, martgage
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Speaker 6: applications had a spike this weekend, we're still lower than
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Speaker 6: two thousand, two thousand and eight twenty ten, literally the
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Speaker 6: lowest levels in twenty four years of martgage applications. The
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Speaker 6: housing market is getting slaughtered and nobody's talking about it.
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Speaker 6: And if she thinks twenty five thousand dollars is going
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Speaker 6: to somehow, you know, relieve the system, she's crazy.
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Speaker 8: So she's either lying to.
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Speaker 6: The public or worse, she doesn't know what she's talking about,
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Speaker 6: or her her team doesn't.
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Speaker 9: Now now, I know, Mark Cuban's a huge fan of hers.
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Speaker 9: Right now, he's at a pimping like every minute of every day.
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Speaker 9: But and Mark knows a lot about a lot of things.
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Speaker 9: But housing is not going to get fixed. Because she
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Speaker 9: promises to.
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Speaker 6: Build three million homes, she doesn't even know what it
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Speaker 6: would cost, how long it would take, who would build them,
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Speaker 6: who would get the homes.
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Speaker 8: And by the way, it's six percent interest.
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Speaker 6: You can't afford a loon anyway, because the interests alone
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Speaker 6: is two thousand dollars a month.
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Speaker 1: Grant caught on the interest alone is two thousand dollars
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Speaker 1: a month. So this idea that I'm just going to
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Speaker 1: hand out twenty five k and it's going to fix
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Speaker 1: the problem, and you're going to build three million homes. Now,
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Speaker 1: in my lifetime, we've never had a conversation about building
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Speaker 1: three million homes. Like, that's never been a conversation. And
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Speaker 1: I think the real reason why we've never had that
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Speaker 1: conversation is because we've never had to deal with the
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Speaker 1: possibility of being three million homes too short, right, Like,
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Speaker 1: we've never had to have that conversation. Why are we
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Speaker 1: even having the conversation. It goes back to what jd
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Speaker 1: Vance said, and it's the fact that we have a
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Speaker 1: housing crisis in this country because we have an immigration
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Speaker 1: crisis that is skyrocke at the cost of rent and homes.
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Speaker 1: So called policy experts quote unquote at the libertarian Kiddo Institute,
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Speaker 1: known for its defense of open borders, are admitting now
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Speaker 1: that center jd Vance is correct when he says immigration
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Speaker 1: increases increases housing prices for Americans. We don't want to
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Speaker 1: want to blame immigrants for higher housing prices, but we
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Speaker 1: do want to blame Kamala Harris for letting in millions
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Speaker 1: of illegal aliens in this country, which does drive up costs.
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Speaker 1: Vance said it Tuesday Evening's vice president of Debate. Twenty
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Speaker 1: five million illegal aliens are competing with Americans for houses
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Speaker 1: for homes, and it's one of the most significant drivers
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Speaker 1: of home prices in the country. It's why we have
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Speaker 1: massive increases in home prices and have happened right alongside
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Speaker 1: massive increases in illegal alien populations under Kamla Harris's leadership. Also,
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Speaker 1: you want to know where home prices of skyrocket the
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Speaker 1: most and heavily populated areas where illegal immigrants are living. Yes,
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Speaker 1: that is the truth. So when JD. Vance said what
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Speaker 1: he said, he wasn't lying. He was speaking truth to power,
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Speaker 1: which is exactly why they hated what he said.
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Speaker 8: Tim just said something that I agree with.
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Speaker 10: We don't want to blame immigrants for higher housing prices,
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Speaker 10: but we do want to blame Kamala Harris for letting
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Speaker 10: in millions of illegal aliens into this country, which does
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Speaker 10: drive up cost him twenty five million Illegal aliens competing
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Speaker 10: with Americans for scarce homes is one of the most
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Speaker 10: significant drivers of home prices in the country. It's why
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Speaker 10: we have massive increases in home prices that have happened
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Speaker 10: right alongside massive increases in illegal alien populations under Kamala
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Speaker 10: Harris's leadership. Now, Tim just mentioned a bunch of ideas. Now,
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Speaker 10: some of those ideas actually think are halfway decent, and
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Speaker 10: some of them I disagree with. But the most important
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Speaker 10: thing here is Kamala Harris is not running as a
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Speaker 10: newcomer to politics.
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Speaker 8: She is the sitting vice president.
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Speaker 10: Is she wants to enact all of these policies to
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Speaker 10: make housing more affordable. I invite her to use the
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Speaker 10: office that the American people already gave her, not sit
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Speaker 10: around and campaign and do nothing while Americans find the
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Speaker 10: American dream of home ownership completely unaffordable.
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Speaker 1: One of the reasons why I think this moment was
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Speaker 1: so effective for him is because if you were listening
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Speaker 1: and you're looking at buying a house, or you're looking
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Speaker 1: to rent, or you decided not to buy a house,
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Speaker 1: is because you understood what he was saying there.
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Speaker 2: Jd Vance is correct.
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Speaker 1: Immigration increases housing prices, and that's just the truth. It's
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Speaker 1: okay to admit that, but the media doesn't want to
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Speaker 1: talk about that. The intersection of supply and demand determines
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Speaker 1: housing prices, like all prices.
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Speaker 2: Quote.
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Speaker 1: When housing supply curves are upward sloping, increase demand from
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Speaker 1: immigrants will increase housing prices. Immigrants are people who want
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Speaker 1: to roof over their heads, after all. So when you're
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Speaker 1: going to the market to rent or buy, does the
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Speaker 1: market care if you're an illegal or not? The answer
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Speaker 1: is no, it doesn't matter. Bringing the discussion back to
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Speaker 1: Springfield and Ohio, where Van started, housing prices have increased
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Speaker 1: there as more Haitian migrants have moved in. According to Redfin,
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Speaker 1: the medium sale price of a single family hold sold
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Speaker 1: there has increased from seventy eight thousand, five hundred dollars
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Speaker 1: in August of twenty nineteen to one hundred and fifty
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Speaker 1: eight thousand in August of twenty twenty four. That is
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Speaker 1: a one hundred and one percent increase in nominal terms.
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Speaker 1: By the way, the nationwide increase was forty six percent
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Speaker 1: in nominal terms during the same period, and what happened
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Speaker 1: during that period, a massive influx and illegal immigrants by
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Speaker 1: the millions coming across the Southern border that has made
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Speaker 1: renters and first time home buyers worse off than Springfield
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Speaker 1: and homeowners who are mostly native born quote that are off.
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Speaker 1: At a recent House Oversight Committee hearing, the Center for
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Speaker 1: Immigration Studies director point increase in the recent immigrant share
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Speaker 1: of a metro area's population is associated with a twelve
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Speaker 1: percent increase in the average US born household rent relative
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Speaker 1: to their income. What did they note, The high levels
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Speaker 1: of immigration particularly increase rents. Adding this, very large numbers
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Speaker 1: of people added to the country are significantly impacting housing
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Speaker 1: prices by driving up demand for rental properties. The Census
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Speaker 1: Bureau reports of the increase in rents in twenty twenty
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Speaker 1: three was by far the largest and the past decade.
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Speaker 1: And what happened during that period of time we had
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Speaker 1: the largest increase of immigrants, illegal immigrants coming across the
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Speaker 1: southern border. And the fact that the media even tried
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Speaker 1: to argue with him over this is insane. Governor Well,
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Speaker 1: it's had some problems last night, including the fact he
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Speaker 1: had to admit that Minnesota's taxes are among the highest
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Speaker 1: in the country. He also had to admit that he
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Speaker 1: raised taxes on as most governors were cunning them, and
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Speaker 1: Minnesota is the most expensive state to start a business.
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Speaker 1: A new study has found this was not good. There
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Speaker 1: was also the corporate greed. Minnesota has a nine point
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Speaker 1: eight percent corporate income tax, is the highest in the nation,
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Speaker 1: and Minnesota's in the top ten for marginal state individual
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Speaker 1: income tax rates.
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Speaker 2: All of these things.
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Speaker 1: Now a problem for Tim Walls, who went out there
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Speaker 1: a guy who was trying to act like he is well,
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Speaker 1: you know, small town, rural guy, and his passwords have
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Speaker 1: well come back to haunt him. What did he have
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Speaker 1: to say about refugees, Well, listen to this.
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Speaker 11: We have more refugees per capita than any other state.
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Speaker 11: That's not just morally a good thing, it's our economic
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Speaker 11: and cultural future.
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Speaker 8: This beautiful diverse se See Autumn Worthington.
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Speaker 11: When I'm there, you see fifty languages spoken in the school.
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Speaker 1: Fifty languages spoken to school. That is what Tim Waltz
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Speaker 1: has decided to import to Minnesota. Now he's trying to
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Speaker 1: act like we want to be tough on the border
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Speaker 1: and have laws that protect you, right, that protect you
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Speaker 1: from all the chaos and anarchy that is going on. Well,
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Speaker 1: it didn't work out very well for him because he
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Speaker 1: was trying to change his record. What I just played
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Speaker 1: for you is when he was running for governor, he
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Speaker 1: was proud of having a massive, massive, massive, massive amount
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Speaker 1: of illegal immigrants in his state. Yeah, it is very
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Speaker 1: clear that was not what they were wanting him to
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Speaker 1: be on stage, and guess what, it was not a
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Speaker 1: good night for him.
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Speaker 2: The media trying to spin it, however.
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Speaker 1: Brazinski, Joe Scarborough's woman on MSNBS, she tried to spend
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Speaker 1: it saying this.
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Speaker 12: I agree with you, Elise. I was surprised by that moment.
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Speaker 12: I was surprised by a number of moments like that,
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Speaker 12: but we'll take that one as the example. By the way,
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Speaker 12: I don't think it matters how late the great moment
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Speaker 12: was because unfortunately we TV people were not that important anymore.
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Speaker 12: People take nuggets online on social media.
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Speaker 2: It's the truth.
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Speaker 12: I mean, it's going to be all about the clips
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Speaker 12: and about what's put out here and there, and so
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Speaker 12: he can still win the day, and it's showing. The
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Speaker 12: reaction is not bad.
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Speaker 2: To Tim Waltz.
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Speaker 12: I will say, though, to that Teneman Square answer. I
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Speaker 12: was waiting for what are you talking about? I misspoke,
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Speaker 12: and I'm sorry about that. This guy lies every day
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Speaker 12: about legal migrants. He dehumanizes legal migrants. The governor of
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Speaker 12: Ohio is begging for jd. Vance and Donald Trump to
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Speaker 12: stop doing this to our community, and they continue lies
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Speaker 12: about January sixth. He's lying about the twenty twenty election.
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Speaker 12: I misspoke twenty three years ago. You can talk about
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Speaker 12: what he said six hours ago. These guys lie for
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Speaker 12: a living.
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Speaker 1: That would have been my answer, by the way, when
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Speaker 1: they're having to carry water for you that way and say, oh,
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Speaker 1: I would have given a different answer.
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Speaker 2: Tim Waltz had a bad moment in the debate.
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Speaker 1: He was asked about his lie that he was at
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Speaker 1: Tim and Square and that he was there when everything
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Speaker 1: was going on, and well, he made that up. It
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Speaker 1: was a lie. It never happened. It just never happened.
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Speaker 1: And so what he said was as well, I misspoke.
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Speaker 1: It was one of the most awkward moments of the
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Speaker 1: debate because he was asked and he had this fake
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Speaker 1: answer and it didn't work.
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Speaker 2: Listen to the answer.
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Speaker 13: We want to ask you about your leadership qualities, Governor Walls,
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Speaker 13: you said you were in Hong Kong during the deadly
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Speaker 13: Tenemen Square protests in the spring of nineteen eighty nine.
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Speaker 13: But Minnesota Public Radio and other media outlets are reporting
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Speaker 13: that you actually didn't travel to Asia until August of
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Speaker 13: that year. Can you explain that discrepancy well, and to the.
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Speaker 11: Folks out there, it didn't get at the top of this.
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Speaker 8: Look.
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Speaker 11: I grew up in small, rural Nebraska town of four
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Speaker 11: hundred town that you rode your bike with your buddies
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Speaker 11: till the street lights come on, and I'm proud of
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Speaker 11: that service. I joined the National Guard at seventeen, worked
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Speaker 11: on family farms, and then I use the GI bill
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Speaker 11: to become a teacher. Passionate about it a young teacher.
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Speaker 11: My first year out, I got the opportunity in the
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Speaker 11: summer of eighty nine to travel to China thirty five
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Speaker 11: years ago. Be able to do that, I came back
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Speaker 11: home and then started a program to take young people there.
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Speaker 11: We would take basketball teams, we would take baseball teams,
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Speaker 11: we would take dancers, and we would go back and
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Speaker 11: forth to China. The issue for that was was to
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Speaker 11: try and learn. Now, look, my community knows who I am.
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Speaker 11: They saw where I was at they look. I will
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Speaker 11: be the first to tell you I have poured my
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Speaker 11: heart into my community. I've tried to do the best
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Speaker 11: I can, but I've not been perfect, and I'm a
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Speaker 11: knucklehead at times. But it's always about that those same
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Speaker 11: people elected me to Congress for twelve years, and in
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Speaker 11: Congress I was one of the most bipartisan people, working
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Speaker 11: on things like farm bills that we got done, working
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Speaker 11: on veterans benefits, and then the people of Minnesota were
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Speaker 11: able to elect me to governor twice. So look, my
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Speaker 11: commitment has been from the beginning to make sure that
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Speaker 11: I'm there for the people, to make sure that I
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Speaker 11: get this right.
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Speaker 8: I will say more than anything.
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Speaker 11: Many times, I will talk a lot, I will get
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Speaker 11: caught up in the rhetoric, but being there, the impact
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Speaker 11: it made, the difference it made in my life. I
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Speaker 11: learned a lot about China. I hear the critiques of this.
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Speaker 11: I would make the case that Donald Trump should have
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Speaker 11: come on one of those trips with US. I guarantee
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Speaker 11: you he wouldn't be praising Shijing ping about COVID, and
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Speaker 11: I guarantee you he wouldn't start a trade war that
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Speaker 11: he ends up losing. So this is about trying to
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Speaker 11: understand the world. It's about trying to do the best
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Speaker 11: you can for your community. And then it's putting yourself
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Speaker 11: out there and letting your folks understand what it is
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Speaker 11: my commitment. Whether it be through teaching, which I was good,
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Speaker 11: or whether it was being a good soldier or was
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Speaker 11: being a good member of Congress. Those are the things
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Speaker 11: that I think are the values that people care about.
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Speaker 13: Governor, just to follow up on that, the question was
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Speaker 13: can you explain Thereancy?
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Speaker 11: All I said on this was is I got there
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Speaker 11: that summer and misspoke on this, So I will just
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Speaker 11: that's what I've said. So I was in Hong Kong
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Speaker 11: and China during the democracy protests went in and from
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Speaker 11: that I learned a lot of what needed to be
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Speaker 11: in governance.
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Speaker 13: Thank you, Governor. Senator Vance in twenty.
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Speaker 1: I mean, that was one of the most painful moments.
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Speaker 1: As a guy's like, hey, I talk a lot. Translation,
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Speaker 1: Hey I lie a lot, right Like, He's like, look,
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Speaker 1: I lie a lot. Maybe they know I have a
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Speaker 1: good like I have a good you know spirit, while
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Speaker 1: I'm lying a lot about being in tim Square when
18:52
Speaker 1: the actual you know, protests and the killing was going on.
18:56
Speaker 1: I know I wasn't there for like another five months,
18:59
Speaker 1: but I was there and it was somewhat going on,
19:01
Speaker 1: and I just, you know, you know, I sometimes I'm
19:04
Speaker 1: just goofy and I just talk a lot and you
19:08
Speaker 1: could hear it on MSNBC. And that's why I played
19:11
Speaker 1: you that clip first where she's like, if I had
19:15
Speaker 1: that question, I would have just said I'm really sorry.
19:18
Speaker 1: I would have just apologized, right like, I would have
19:21
Speaker 1: just said, hey, it was a mistake. It was a mistake,
19:26
Speaker 1: it was and moved on. No, you can't do that
19:29
Speaker 1: if you won't, and why.
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Speaker 2: Do you have to? The media is going to carry
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Speaker 2: water for you. But it was a moment that tells
19:36
Speaker 2: you a lot about him as a person. I think.
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Speaker 1: I think it tells you an awful lot about him
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Speaker 1: as a person, and it tells you that he's willing
19:45
Speaker 1: to lie to you about anything to build himself up.
19:50
Speaker 1: I was in Deman Square when it was all going down.
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Speaker 1: Really you were, well, I wasn't, but I was in.
19:56
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's no different than stolen valor him
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Speaker 1: lying about his rank, right, I mean, let's just be honest.
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Speaker 2: It's no different than that.
20:08
Speaker 1: I mean, it.
20:08
Speaker 2: Is no different, no different than that.
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Speaker 1: At least Jordan on MSNBC saying something about jd Vance
20:18
Speaker 1: never thought I'd heard here on MSNBC listen.
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Speaker 8: I was disappointed.
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Speaker 14: I felt like the reasons that Kamala Harris chose Governor
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Speaker 14: Walls didn't really come out last night.
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Speaker 8: The Governor Walls, who.
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Speaker 14: Was joking, who was free flowing in interviews, who was
20:35
Speaker 14: kind of you know that guy in your hometown who's
20:37
Speaker 14: a local leader and he's a lot of fun, but
20:39
Speaker 14: he can be serious. I just saw someone trying to
20:43
Speaker 14: be who he wasn't, and it allowed jd Vance to
20:47
Speaker 14: just skate through. It was disappointing too that Governor Walls
20:52
Speaker 14: just didn't have a better answer for why he had
20:55
Speaker 14: said previously that he was in Tianaman Square when he wasn't,
20:59
Speaker 14: you know something easily he could have easily said I misspoke,
21:03
Speaker 14: I'm sorry, But instead he you know, almost made it worse.
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Speaker 1: He almost made it worse. Now that is a liberal
21:10
Speaker 1: on MSNBC. So they can spend it all they want
21:15
Speaker 1: they I mean, they can spin it all they want,
21:17
Speaker 1: but the truth is, I don't think Tim Waltz helped
21:21
Speaker 1: the ticket last night, and I do believe that jd
21:23
Speaker 1: Vance helped Donald Trump last night.
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Speaker 2: Even on MSNBC.
21:30
Speaker 1: There was another part of the conversation where Lemire had
21:34
Speaker 1: this to say about jd Vance's performance.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, Advance definitely put forward his best version of himself
21:40
Speaker 15: yesterday and frankly aided by Governor Wallas, who the two
21:42
Speaker 15: men were so civil that Walls almost normalized Vance.
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Speaker 8: He never used the word weird.
21:47
Speaker 15: That was that Tim Wallas is on the ticket because
21:50
Speaker 15: he kept talking about how jd Vance and Donald Trump
21:52
Speaker 15: and Republicans are weird, and he never used that last night.
21:56
Speaker 15: To Donnie's point about maybe Trump's mixed feelings about the debate,
21:59
Speaker 15: though he prayed Advance's appearance, he also at one point
22:02
Speaker 15: mid debate started tweeting about Pete Rose started to be
22:04
Speaker 15: in the Hall of Fame, So perhaps his own attention
22:07
Speaker 15: was sort of lost, But at least I was.
22:09
Speaker 8: Also struck that. But the Governor Walls didn't.
22:12
Speaker 15: He sort of took a pass on some what could
22:14
Speaker 15: have been some pretty devastating attacks. He didn't mention the
22:17
Speaker 15: weird issue. He never brought up childless cat lays just
22:19
Speaker 15: never came up. He didn't talk about Ukraine and Ukraine
22:23
Speaker 15: where Advance has made clear he has no interest in
22:26
Speaker 15: supporting Kiev. He only brought up Project twenty twenty five once,
22:29
Speaker 15: and that's an issue that's been so effective for Democrats.
22:32
Speaker 15: That said that final minute in January sixth, about January
22:36
Speaker 15: sixth was Walls's best moment. And the Harris campaign has
22:39
Speaker 15: already cut an ad.
22:41
Speaker 1: They cut an ad because at the end he started
22:43
Speaker 1: attacking Donald Trump on January the sixth, and they said
22:48
Speaker 1: it was the best moment. There's something like, well it
22:50
Speaker 1: was late in the night. Look, they already cut an ad.
22:52
Speaker 1: They're going to turn it into an ad. I think
22:54
Speaker 1: that's very clear because they believe that's going to work
22:57
Speaker 1: with Democratic voters, maybe inspired Democratic voters.
23:01
Speaker 2: But there's no doubt that Tim Waltz last night did
23:05
Speaker 2: not win the debate.
23:08
Speaker 1: Even Donnie dorschh on MSNBC and I play you MSNBC
23:12
Speaker 1: eclips because I want you to understand there if they're
23:17
Speaker 1: downplaying it or trying to cover for Waltz, you know,
23:21
Speaker 1: it was that bad of a night. And Donnie said
23:24
Speaker 1: this about JD Vance.
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Speaker 3: Listen, simple Governor Waltz turned to JD. Van said he
23:30
Speaker 3: lose the twenty twenty election, as sixty three courts decided.
23:34
Speaker 3: As everyone around Donald Trump knows and has said since
23:36
Speaker 3: that he lost. As Donald Trump has slipped several times
23:39
Speaker 3: and said he lost. Couldn't answer the question. So for
23:42
Speaker 3: as smooth as JD. Vans was, for as fluent as
23:45
Speaker 3: he sounded on policy, we'll get into some of the
23:47
Speaker 3: contradictions on the Affordable Care Act, claiming that Donald Trump
23:51
Speaker 3: tried to save it when in fact the exact opposite
23:53
Speaker 3: is what happened, his own record, misrepresenting his own record JD.
23:57
Speaker 3: Vans on the question of abortion. There's a whole lot
23:59
Speaker 3: to comb through. He was good last night. That moment
24:04
Speaker 3: that crystallizes the whole thing. You can't even say that
24:06
Speaker 3: your running mate lost eighty eight minutes.
24:09
Speaker 8: He was good. I mean, he was too slick maybe.
24:12
Speaker 2: But he was.
24:13
Speaker 16: He certainly was not the kind of despicable character that
24:16
Speaker 16: we had kind of seen clips of.
24:18
Speaker 8: I thought it was a drawing up until that point,
24:20
Speaker 8: and I think that that.
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Speaker 1: Did Did you did you hear that he wasn't the
24:23
Speaker 1: despicable character that we had seen the clips of translation
24:28
Speaker 1: that we the media have tried to turn him into,
24:31
Speaker 1: like I think they're mad because, in their opinion, they're like, dude,
24:37
Speaker 1: we got this guy to the point where he was weird, right,
24:40
Speaker 1: We are the ones that said.
24:41
Speaker 2: He's weird, he's weird, he's weird.
24:43
Speaker 1: And we and we and we got him to a
24:45
Speaker 1: point where everyone believed that he was weird, and then
24:49
Speaker 1: he wasn't weird. So that kind of hurt us, Right,
24:52
Speaker 1: he's not weird. We thought he was weird, but he's
24:55
Speaker 1: really not weird. And we had designed him as being weird,
24:59
Speaker 1: but he's really not weird. That's that's what he was
25:02
Speaker 1: saying there like that, That's that's the whole that's the
25:05
Speaker 1: whole ballgame. Well, he's just weird. It didn't work anymore.
25:09
Speaker 1: It did not work, and it backfired. And so that's
25:13
Speaker 1: why you heard Downy there saying, well, okay, maybe you
25:15
Speaker 1: had a better night than we thought. And and and
25:19
Speaker 1: then he goes back into attacking Donald Trump was disqualifying.
25:23
Speaker 16: I think that's disqualifying in the election if you can't
25:25
Speaker 16: say that. I mean, I think that that's the issue
25:28
Speaker 16: that whenever I get into debates with anybody, I go, well,
25:30
Speaker 16: put democracy dumb kind of on the docket.
25:33
Speaker 10: Uh.
25:34
Speaker 8: I want to go back to Kimmel's joke at the beginning.
25:36
Speaker 16: That it was born, and I was thinking the whole time,
25:39
Speaker 16: this is going to be a referendum on what people
25:41
Speaker 16: want going forward. I think the big theme of this
25:43
Speaker 16: thing was that it was very congenial and it was
25:45
Speaker 16: not a blood sport.
25:46
Speaker 8: It was not UFC. It was more like boxing.
25:49
Speaker 16: And is the American public Your intuition says, well, the
25:52
Speaker 16: America public is ready for that.
25:54
Speaker 8: They want that.
25:55
Speaker 2: But then I kind of said to myself.
25:56
Speaker 16: Is there's this sick, twisted thing that people are addicted
25:59
Speaker 16: to the sick entertainment value of Donald Trump, and that
26:03
Speaker 16: they were kind of disappointed. I was enjoying it, but
26:06
Speaker 16: they're just, well, no, that's no fun.
26:08
Speaker 8: Are we gonna go back to that? Now?
26:10
Speaker 16: My better angels in me say no, people are ready
26:13
Speaker 16: for that.
26:13
Speaker 8: But it's an interesting question.
26:15
Speaker 16: Final thought, going back to what Joe said this morning
26:17
Speaker 16: at mar A Lago, What's going on is that people
26:19
Speaker 16: are going up as they're getting the Danish in there
26:21
Speaker 16: and their buncake at Narlogi, They're going up to Donald
26:24
Speaker 16: and saying, boy, Vance was great last night.
26:26
Speaker 8: Wasn't He Wasn't Vance great? You know, and that's gonna
26:29
Speaker 8: bother him.
26:29
Speaker 16: That's gonna really bother them, that he was better than
26:31
Speaker 16: Donald Trump, that he could litigate the case better than
26:34
Speaker 16: Donald Trump and.
26:35
Speaker 8: Donald Trump and you're gonna see what. He's gonna be
26:37
Speaker 8: very dismissive of jd Vance in the coming weeks.
26:39
Speaker 16: But Donald Trump is not happy this morning because jd
26:41
Speaker 16: Van showed himself to be a superior candidate.
26:44
Speaker 2: I love the Jedi mind trick? Did I go? He's
26:46
Speaker 2: gonna hate jd Vance?
26:48
Speaker 1: And it's so funny because five minutes before that, they're
26:51
Speaker 1: saying that Walt's won. So which one is it? Did
26:56
Speaker 1: Waltz win or did he not win? Like I just
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Speaker 1: got to know right which one is it? And I
27:03
Speaker 1: think you can tell from that clip there there's no
27:06
Speaker 1: doubt that jd Vance won. There's no doubt that Walt's underperformed.
27:11
Speaker 1: And that's what this really boils down to. Tim Waltz
27:16
Speaker 1: did not have a great debate. Jd Vance came in,
27:19
Speaker 1: was likable, measured, and actually really I think kind Tim
27:25
Speaker 1: Waltz on gun control, he didn't want your kids to
27:28
Speaker 1: be safe in schools. Apparently he says, if you want
27:30
Speaker 1: to put school resource officers at schools. Therefore, you're going
27:33
Speaker 1: to look like you're a fort and that's not what
27:35
Speaker 1: he wants. Did that connect with you as a parent?
27:37
Speaker 1: Here is Waltz on gun control.
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Speaker 8: Governor, you have two minutes.
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Speaker 11: Well, I think all the parents watching tonight, this is
27:44
Speaker 11: just your biggest nightmare.
27:45
Speaker 8: Look. I got a seventeen year.
27:47
Speaker 11: Old and he witnessed a shooting at a community center
27:50
Speaker 11: playing volleyball. Those things don't leave you. As a member
27:53
Speaker 11: of Congress, I set in my office surrounded by dozens
27:57
Speaker 11: of the Sandyog parents and they would look at my
28:00
Speaker 11: seven year old picture on the wall. Their seven year
28:02
Speaker 11: old were dead, and they were asking us to do something,
28:05
Speaker 11: and look.
28:05
Speaker 8: I'm a hunter. I own firearms.
28:08
Speaker 11: The vice president is we understand that the Second Amendment
28:11
Speaker 11: is there, but our first responsibilities to our.
28:13
Speaker 8: Kids to figure this out.
28:15
Speaker 11: In Minnesota, we've enacted enhanced red flag laws, enhanced background checks,
28:21
Speaker 11: and we can start.
28:22
Speaker 8: To get data. But here's the problem.
28:24
Speaker 11: If we really want to solve this, we've got folks
28:26
Speaker 11: that won't allow research to be even done on gun violence,
28:30
Speaker 11: and this idea that we should.
28:32
Speaker 8: Just live with it.
28:33
Speaker 11: And here's what I do think that This is a
28:35
Speaker 11: good start to the conversation. I one hundred percent believe
28:39
Speaker 11: that Senator Vance hates it when these kids it's a
28:42
Speaker 11: borent and it breaks your heart. I agree with that,
28:45
Speaker 11: but that's not far enough when we know they are
28:48
Speaker 11: things that work. I've spent time in Finland and seen
28:51
Speaker 11: some finish schools. They don't have this happened, even though
28:55
Speaker 11: they have a high gun ownership rate in the country.
28:58
Speaker 11: There are reasonable things that we can do to make
29:01
Speaker 11: a difference. It's not infringing on your Second Amendment and
29:05
Speaker 11: the idea to have some of these weapons out there,
29:08
Speaker 11: it just doesn't make any sense. Kamala Harris, as an
29:11
Speaker 11: Attorney General, worked on this issue.
29:13
Speaker 8: She knows that it's there.
29:14
Speaker 11: No one's trying to scare monger and say we're taking
29:17
Speaker 11: your guns. But I ask all of you out there,
29:19
Speaker 11: do you want your schools hardened to look like a fort?
29:23
Speaker 11: Is that what we have to go When we know
29:26
Speaker 11: there's countries around the world that their children aren't practicing
29:29
Speaker 11: these types of drills. They're being kids. We owe it
29:32
Speaker 11: to them to get a fix. These are things that
29:35
Speaker 11: should be that difficult. You can still keep your firearms
29:38
Speaker 11: and we can make a difference.
29:39
Speaker 8: We have to. If you're listening tonight, this breaks your heart.
29:43
Speaker 10: Senator sim First of all, I didn't know that your
29:45
Speaker 10: seventeen year old witness is shooting.
29:46
Speaker 8: I'm sorry about that, and I appreciate it. Okay, christ
29:49
Speaker 8: have mercy. It is awful when.
29:52
Speaker 2: He says, do you want your schools to look like
29:53
Speaker 2: a fort?
29:54
Speaker 10: No?
29:55
Speaker 2: But I want them to be as secure as one.
29:57
Speaker 1: And I think there should be resource officers at every
30:01
Speaker 1: single school in this country, public or private. You know,
30:05
Speaker 1: there's there's a difference between. It was funny when we
30:08
Speaker 1: were looking at schools for my kids. It was the
30:12
Speaker 1: number one question that my wife had about schools when
30:16
Speaker 1: we were looking at schools was you know, educational quality
30:20
Speaker 1: and friends and and just you know, different things like that.
30:24
Speaker 1: And mine was the complete opposite of that. Mine was
30:29
Speaker 1: I want to know about safety. That was my number
30:31
Speaker 1: one issue. I'm not sending my kids to a school
30:33
Speaker 1: where I feel like they are sitting duck. And this
30:36
Speaker 1: idea like, oh we can kumbaya and just put up
30:39
Speaker 1: a science as gun and free zone and somehow that's
30:41
Speaker 1: going to work.
30:42
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't see that. I don't get it.
30:47
Speaker 2: I don't buy it.
30:48
Speaker 1: I want my kids in a safe school, and that
30:50
Speaker 1: means protecting them and all this other stuff. Well, we
30:54
Speaker 1: should look at Finland. Finland's very different. There's a lot
30:58
Speaker 1: of reasons why it's different. I'll explain that in moment,
31:00
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