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Liberals Celebrate Kirk Assassination on Social Media, 'Love' Texts from Assassin to Boyfriend & Designating Antifa as Terrorist Organization Week In Review · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome. It is Verdict with Ted Cruz. We can review
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  Speaker 1: Ben Ferguson with you. And these are the stories that
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  Speaker 1: you may have missed that we talked about this week.
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  Speaker 1: First up media and social media. Why are they not
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  Speaker 1: coming out condemning those who are celebrating the death of
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  Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk. In fact, they're allowing it to happen. So
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  Speaker 1: what does this say about America? We're going to break
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  Speaker 1: that down. Also, we have the text messages now from
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  Speaker 1: the assassin to his roommate, transcendered lover what was said
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  Speaker 1: in there? That's so revealing that in a moment. And
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  Speaker 1: finally Cashptel and Senator Cruz on naming Antifa a terrorist
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  Speaker 1: organization and what this means moving forward. It's the weekend
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  Speaker 1: review and it starts right now. I go back to
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  Speaker 1: this how many I mean, we watched one of our
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  Speaker 1: own be assassinated. Did any cities get burned down?
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  Speaker 2: No? Not.
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  Speaker 3: There any police officers that were attacked.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 3: Was there any assaults on people because of it that
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  Speaker 3: were angry?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 3: And yet they're mad.
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  Speaker 1: I love this headline from the Daily Beast, which, if
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  Speaker 1: you don't know what that is, a hardcore liberal propaganda
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  Speaker 1: machine that has an incredible amount of influence in the left.
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  Speaker 1: Their headline yesterday ten oh five am, keyboard Warriors, grieving
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  Speaker 1: this week's assassination of self annoented champion of quote unquote
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  Speaker 1: free speech, Charlie Kirk, have launched an online campaign to
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  Speaker 1: get anyone who criticizes him fired from their jobs.
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  Speaker 3: Their subheadline is.
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  Speaker 1: Free speech crazed Maga Karen's go full cancel culture on
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  Speaker 1: Kirk critics. No, let's be clear about the people we
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  Speaker 1: are exposing.
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  Speaker 3: It's people.
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  Speaker 1: They weren't criticizing Chari Kirk. They were celebrating the assassination
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  Speaker 1: of Charlie Kirk in our major positions of power at
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  Speaker 1: universities and at other jobs, or things like we mentioned
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  Speaker 1: earlier where they refuse to put up to print out
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  Speaker 1: a piece of paper for goodness.
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  Speaker 3: Six.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but ben, let me make two to stayctions that
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  Speaker 4: are important because it's easy to get these confused. Number One,
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  Speaker 4: let's talk free speech. Yes, in the United States, the
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  Speaker 4: First Amendment gives you the right to speech, to speak
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  Speaker 4: and not to be criminally prosecuted for it, so you
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  Speaker 4: can say the most horrible, hateful things. You do have
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  Speaker 4: a First Amendment right to say unbelievably horrible, hateful things.
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  Speaker 4: You can say that you are celebrating the murder of
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  Speaker 4: Charlie Kirk or anyone else. In the First Amendment will
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  Speaker 4: protect your ability to do so, which means the government
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  Speaker 4: cannot come prosecute you and put you in jail for
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  Speaker 4: saying that. The First Amendment does not mean that you
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  Speaker 4: are immune from the consequences of your speech. And if
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  Speaker 4: you say things that are horrible and hateful, it is
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  Speaker 4: not uncommon for someone to be terminated. So, for example,
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  Speaker 4: at a university, if a student goes and decides to
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  Speaker 4: dress in a white robe as a clansman and burn
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  Speaker 4: across and say that we should African American students, I
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  Speaker 4: guarantee you that student will be expelled from school. Now,
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  Speaker 4: you can't prosecute him. He as a First Amendment right
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  Speaker 4: to do that. So that is not a criminal offense
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  Speaker 4: to do that, correct, But the university should absolutely expel
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  Speaker 4: him because of just how noxious those views are. The
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  Speaker 4: same is true here when you have teachers that are
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  Speaker 4: celebrating cold blooded murder. There are consequences for that, but
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  Speaker 4: that's a distinction.
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  Speaker 3: I'll point out.
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  Speaker 4: Also, the president of the Oxford Union who debated Charlie
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  Speaker 4: Kirk and is this vicious leftist. He put out a
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  Speaker 4: tweet celebrating lets effing go, he said when Charlie Kirk
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  Speaker 4: was shot. This is a guy who literally had one
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  Speaker 4: on one debated against Charlie Kirk. And he is the
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  Speaker 4: incoming president of the Oxford Union, which pretentiously describes itself
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  Speaker 4: as the world's greatest debating society. Look, in my view,
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  Speaker 4: this individual ought to be expelled from Oxford for the
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  Speaker 4: same reason you would expel him if he were a
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  Speaker 4: klansman burning across and saying, let's murder black students. Now,
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  Speaker 4: the United Kingdom does not have the same First Amendment
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  Speaker 4: that applies to it the way the United States does so. Actually,
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  Speaker 4: in England, if he said that, he might well be
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  Speaker 4: criminally prosecuted. I don't agree with criminally prosecuting speech. But
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  Speaker 4: the First Amendment does not give you a get out
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  Speaker 4: of jail free pass. Look, I promise you, any one
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  Speaker 4: of you in your jobs, if you go in and
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  Speaker 4: tell your boss go screw yourself.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're gonna get fired.
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  Speaker 4: You will get fired. You have a first mount right
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  Speaker 4: to say so, but he also has a right to
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  Speaker 4: terminate you. But let me say secondly on this both sides,
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  Speaker 4: is the media really wants to say, gosh, political violence,
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  Speaker 4: it's a problem that just occurs everywhere. No right now
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  Speaker 4: is it is heavily concentrated on the left, and the
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  Speaker 4: left has normalized political violence. We saw two separate assassination
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  Speaker 4: attempts of Donald Trump. We saw this tragically successful assassination
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  Speaker 4: of Charlie kirk Over, and we saw for a year
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  Speaker 4: Antifa and Black Lives Matter riots. And I want to
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  Speaker 4: read you some polling results that were done last year,
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  Speaker 4: and people were asked, would it be justified to murder
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  Speaker 4: Elon Musk? And would it be justified to murder Donald Trump?
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  Speaker 4: And those who were self described left of center, fifty
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  Speaker 4: point two percent said it would be justified to murder
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  Speaker 4: Elon Musk, and fifty six percent said it would be
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  Speaker 4: justified to murder Donald Trump. That is. And and by
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  Speaker 4: the way, the right of center numbers were fourteen point
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  Speaker 4: three percent and twenty point three percent, So I wish
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  Speaker 4: all those numbers were zero. But this is a problem
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  Speaker 4: on the left. This is a problem when you define
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  Speaker 4: you're a as Hitler, Nazi, evil fascist, that is a
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  Speaker 4: permission structure to then say violence is an appropriate response,
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  Speaker 4: and we need to see Democrats having the courage to
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  Speaker 4: say enough is enough. Look. Bill Maher did a great
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  Speaker 4: job where he's in his monologue. He said, let's be clear,
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  Speaker 4: Donald Trump is not Hitler.
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  Speaker 3: Stop saying that. Stop saying it.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly well, and I think now they're realizing that using
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  Speaker 1: the words fascist and Hitler and these types of things
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  Speaker 1: has dissensitized people and advocated and allowed for this type
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  Speaker 1: of violence to become reality. Where the big question people
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  Speaker 1: were asking is what's next. I do want to say.
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  Speaker 1: One thing that I think I've found incredibly comforting is
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  Speaker 1: seeing how many young people are at colleges this weekend
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  Speaker 1: over college football. We're putting up signs saying that they
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  Speaker 1: are Charlie Kirk. The number of people that are following
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  Speaker 1: him now on Instagram exploded by I'm not I don't
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  Speaker 1: think I'm wrong. I think it's millions of people now
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  Speaker 1: who are Then I think it is likely that more
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  Speaker 1: people have listened to Charlie Kirk speak in the last
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  Speaker 1: week than did in the entirety of his life.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that that's the silver lining.
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  Speaker 4: His Christian testimony has become so powerful. I will say
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  Speaker 4: his wife, Erica. The speech she gave this week reduced
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  Speaker 4: me to tears. It was beautiful. God's anointing was upon
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  Speaker 4: her as she did that. And a lot of people
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  Speaker 4: who had never clicked on and watched Charlie Kirk say
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  Speaker 4: anything this week did so and said, Hey, who is
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  Speaker 4: this guy that touched so many people? I think a
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  Speaker 4: lot of people chose to open their Bible and start
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  Speaker 4: reading their Bible. A lot of people chose to go
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  Speaker 4: to church. That is a great thing. That is something
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  Speaker 4: I hope and believe we're going to see a lot
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  Speaker 4: more of. And let me say in subsequent podcast, we're
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  Speaker 4: going to talk about what's coming next. And here's one
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  Speaker 4: of the most important things that that I am urging
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  Speaker 4: the President, the Department of Justice, the FBI to do,
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  Speaker 4: which is follow the money. Follow the money of everyone
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  Speaker 4: that is pushing this leftist hatred that is pushing this violence.
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  Speaker 4: There is real money that is going into these riots
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  Speaker 4: on campus, that is going into funding ANTIFA, that is
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  Speaker 4: going into funding Black Lives Matter, And we need to
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  Speaker 4: this is not just one isolated lunatic in Utah. We
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  Speaker 4: need to follow the money behind the radicalization that is
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  Speaker 4: leading to people being so twisted and engaging in these
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  Speaker 4: horrific acts of violence.
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  Speaker 1: Now, if you want to hear the rest of this conversation,
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  Speaker 1: you can go back and listen to the full podcast
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  Speaker 1: from earlier this week. Now onto story number two, I
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  Speaker 1: want to move to the text messages that have come out,
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  Speaker 1: and it's very interesting to see all of the evidence
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  Speaker 1: that is now we are seeing the transparency of these
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  Speaker 1: text messages that were between the shooter and his transgendered boyfriend.
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  Speaker 1: And I also want to say, there's some people that
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  Speaker 1: are saying, oh, you're taking this hook line and sinker.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if they plan the text messages.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if this is him trying to protect
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  Speaker 1: the roommate and act like the roommate knew nothing about it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure they'll get to the bottom of that.
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  Speaker 1: But what was shocking about this is how the media
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  Speaker 1: decided to play it and romanticize their relationship through the
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  Speaker 1: text messages and the weirdest, creepiest way I've ever seen
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  Speaker 1: the mainstream media do this.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I'm sorry to do this, but I'm going
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  Speaker 4: to read you these text messages because they're horrifying. But
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  Speaker 4: it makes clear there is no doubt that this murderer
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  Speaker 4: is guilty. And by the way, there is a reason
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  Speaker 4: I won't say the murderer's name, because anyone who engages
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  Speaker 4: in a mass murder and horrific crime like this, part
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  Speaker 4: of the reason they do this is they want to
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  Speaker 4: be famous. I don't repeat these bastards name. I will
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  Speaker 4: call him the murderer or the assassin or the defendant,
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  Speaker 4: but I will not say his name. But the murderer
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  Speaker 4: and his boyfriend we're exchanging, exchanging texts, and the murderer
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  Speaker 4: left under a keyboard in their apartment a note saying
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  Speaker 4: that he had the opportunity to kill Charlie Kirk and
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  Speaker 4: he took it. And his boyfriend, who is a man
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  Speaker 4: who is transgender and transitioning to be a woman, responded,
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  Speaker 4: what with like a whole bunch of question marks? And
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  Speaker 4: you're joking, right, And here's the exchange. The murderer says,
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  Speaker 4: I'm still okay, my love, but I'm stuck in orum
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  Speaker 4: for a little while. Longer shouldn't be long until I
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  Speaker 4: can come home, But I got to grab my rifle still.
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  Speaker 4: To be honest, I had hoped to keep this secret
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  Speaker 4: till I died of old age. I'm sorry to involve you, boyfriend.
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  Speaker 4: You weren't the one who did it, right for question marks, murderer,
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  Speaker 4: I am, I'm sorry, boyfriend. I thought they caught the
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  Speaker 4: person murderer. No, they grabbed some crazy old dude, then
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  Speaker 4: interrogated someone in similar clothing. I plan to grab my
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  Speaker 4: rifle from the drop point shortly after, but most of
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  Speaker 4: that side of town got locked down. It's quiet, almost
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  Speaker 4: enough to get out, but there's one vehicle lingering, Boyfriend.
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  Speaker 4: Why murderer? Why did I do it? Boyfriend? Yeah, murderer.
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  Speaker 4: I've had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be
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  Speaker 4: negotiated out. If I'm able to grab my rifle unseen,
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  Speaker 4: I will have left no evidence. Going to attempt to
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  Speaker 4: retrieve it again. Hopefully they have moved on. I haven't
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  Speaker 4: seen anything about them finding it, Boyfriend. How long have
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  Speaker 4: you been planning this, murderer, a bit over a week.
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  Speaker 4: I believe I can get close to it, but there
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  Speaker 4: is a squad car parked by it. I think they
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  Speaker 4: already swept the spot, but I don't want to chance it.
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  Speaker 1: Murderer.
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  Speaker 4: I wish I had circled back and grabbed it as
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  Speaker 4: soon as I got to my vehicle. I'm worried what
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  Speaker 4: my old man would do if I didn't bring back
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  Speaker 4: Grandpa's rifle. I don't know if it had a serial number,
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  Speaker 4: but it wouldn't trace to me. I worry about Prince.
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  Speaker 4: I had to leave it in the book bush where
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  Speaker 4: I changed outfits. Didn't have the ability or time to
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  Speaker 4: bring it with I might have to abandon it and
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  Speaker 4: hope they don't find prints. How the f will I
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  Speaker 4: explain losing it to my old man. Only thing I
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  Speaker 4: left was the rifle wrapped in a towel. Remember how
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  Speaker 4: I was engraving bullets. The effing messages are mostly a
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  Speaker 4: big meme. If I see notices bulg'es uwu on Fox News,
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  Speaker 4: I might have a stroke. All right, I'm going to
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  Speaker 4: have to leave it. That really effing sucks. Those are
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  Speaker 4: the text exchanges now, number one. Reading those text exchanges,
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  Speaker 4: it is one hundred percent clear. It's not ninety nine percent,
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  Speaker 4: it's not ninety eight percent. It's one hundred percent clear.
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  Speaker 4: This defend is the murderer. He is the assassin. He
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  Speaker 4: is confessing to his boyfriend, I did it. He is
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  Speaker 4: confessing details of the crime that only the murderer would
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  Speaker 4: would know. He will be convicted. He was charged today,
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  Speaker 4: he will be convicted. But he is guilty today. Based
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  Speaker 4: on that evidence, it is one hundred percent certain he
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  Speaker 4: is guilty, and his motive is clear. You know, Caitlin
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  Speaker 4: Collins and and CNN and MSNBC they say, we don't
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  Speaker 4: know the motive. Maybe he just disliked tall people. Maybe
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  Speaker 4: he was just you know, firing his gun and celebration
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  Speaker 4: and it accidentally hit the throne.
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  Speaker 1: A certainly somebody that was there excited just to see
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  Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk, and it went off randomly.
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  Speaker 4: Like the level of him. By the way, an idiot
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  Speaker 4: commentator at MSNBC said, maybe it was a supporter of
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  Speaker 4: Charlie Kirk firing his gun and celebration. Now thankfully that
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  Speaker 4: commentator got fired for that idiocy. But the motive is
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  Speaker 4: absolutely clear. He hated Charlie Kirk. He's a left wing
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  Speaker 4: antifa activist, he's a transgender activist. He is sleeping with
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  Speaker 4: a transgender man who is transitioning to be a woman.
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  Speaker 4: And so the motive is that there's no ambiguity. But
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  Speaker 4: CNN hates that motive. They cannot admit that's what happened.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, that would undermine their entire political agenda.
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  Speaker 4: So they desperately have to say the motive is unclear.
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  Speaker 4: By the way, Caitlyn Collins said repeatedly, well, law enforcement
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  Speaker 4: hasn't laid out the motive. Yes, they have. They repeatedly
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  Speaker 4: laid out the motive. They said, it's a left wing
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  Speaker 4: activist who's radicalized. The bullets had carved on the mantifa
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  Speaker 4: and transgender messages. I mean, this is not subtle. He
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  Speaker 4: was not hiding his motive. But I have to say,
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  Speaker 4: as repulsive as CNN's reaction was, ABC's was worse. I
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  Speaker 4: want you to listen.
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  Speaker 3: Way worse, way worse. Like you can't overstate it.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I want you to listen to ABC News's reaction
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  Speaker 4: to this text exchange between the murder and his transgender boyfriend. Here,
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  Speaker 4: give a listen.
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  Speaker 2: You have scene an alleged murder with such specific text
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  Speaker 2: messages about the alleged murder weapon, where it was hidden,
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  Speaker 2: how it was placed, what was on it. But also
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  Speaker 2: it was very touching in a way that I think
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  Speaker 2: many of us didn't expect, a very intimate portrait into
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  Speaker 2: this relationship between the suspect's roommate and the suspect himself,
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  Speaker 2: with him repeatedly calling his roommate who was transitioning, calling
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  Speaker 2: him my love and I want to protect you, my love.
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  Speaker 2: So it was this duality of someone who, the attorney said,
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  Speaker 2: not only jeopardized the life of Charlie Kirk and the crowd,
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  Speaker 2: but was doing it in front of children, which is
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  Speaker 2: one of the aggravating circumstances of this case. And on
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  Speaker 2: the other hand, he was speaking so lovingly about his partner,
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  Speaker 2: so very interesting, as Pierre said, riveting press conference, David.
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  Speaker 1: I love how they say it's a riveting press conference center.
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  Speaker 1: It's riveting and just you know, he referred to him
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  Speaker 1: as my love, and this is just so sweet and sincere.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, what in the world are you guys doing
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  Speaker 1: over there at ABC News with your special report, live.
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  Speaker 4: Coverage, touching and loving? Oh these text messages. I've murdered
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  Speaker 4: this person for you. Oh my love, Oh my love. Peter, patter, pitter, patter.
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  Speaker 4: That is repulsive. It is repulsive that ABC News is
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  Speaker 4: gushing over this psychopathic murderer and ABC News, oh they're
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  Speaker 4: touching in sweet text messages. He is confessing to a
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  Speaker 4: deliberate murder because he hates what somebody is saying. He
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  Speaker 4: murdered a husband, he murdered a father of two little kids,
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  Speaker 4: one boy, one girl, and and ABC News thinks it's
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  Speaker 4: so sweet that he confessed to his transgender boyfriend, which
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  Speaker 4: of course they call his roommate, even though he's calling
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  Speaker 4: him my love, Like there's no ambiguity when you call
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  Speaker 4: someone my love what exactly the relationship is? But ABC
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  Speaker 4: News can not admit to them it is sweet and beautiful,
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  Speaker 4: This radical leftist murdering Charlie Kirk, I got. I got
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  Speaker 4: a message for you guys. It's it's not sweet and
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  Speaker 4: it's not beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, by the way, side note on this, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if you knew this, but ten minutes after that,
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  Speaker 1: like the internet exploded over it. They he went back
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  Speaker 1: on and doubled down on it and basically did the
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  Speaker 1: same thing again. Like, I'm not backing down from this.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's genuine and sweet and sincere in a
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  Speaker 1: love story.
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  Speaker 4: You know what a romantic Romeo and Juliet story. You know,
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  Speaker 4: psycho leftist murderer killing people because he's filled with hate.
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  Speaker 4: I can't think of anything more beautiful than that. Certain
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  Speaker 4: certainly ABC News is very persuasive.
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  Speaker 3: In that regard.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be the face of the network before you
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  Speaker 1: know it.
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  Speaker 4: God help us. Did he really double down? Did he
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  Speaker 4: really go back on air and do it again?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Do you want to hear it, because I've got it
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  Speaker 1: if you want to hear So this is yes, this
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  Speaker 1: is this is Mattman.
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  Speaker 4: I haven't heard this, so play it for us.
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  Speaker 1: So this is ten minutes after he said on ABC
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  Speaker 1: News Live. It's heartbreaking on so many levels. Obviously, Charlie
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  Speaker 1: Kirk was murdered brutally in front of a crowd of thousands.
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  Speaker 1: On the other hand, there is this duality of every
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  Speaker 1: portrait of a of a again his exact words of
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  Speaker 1: a very like this is like love story.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, touching.
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  Speaker 1: So this is this is ten minutes later after the internet.
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  Speaker 1: And I have no doubt that he knew that there
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  Speaker 1: was a problem, right, so he knew percent here he
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  Speaker 1: is ten minutes later.
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  Speaker 2: It is It's heartbreaking on so many levels, Kira. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk was murdered brutally in front of a crowd
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  Speaker 2: of thousands of people who watched him being shot through
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  Speaker 2: the neck and then essentially bleed out in front of them.
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  Speaker 2: And I think one of the things that the attorney
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  Speaker 2: here made a very fine point about is that a
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  Speaker 2: lot of these charges seven charges were aggravated because children
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  Speaker 2: were present, children witnessed this, children were put in harm's
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  Speaker 2: way and that was something that obviously is aggravating here.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what one of the reasons at this suspect,
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  Speaker 2: in addition to the alleged murder being political in nature,
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  Speaker 2: is facing the death penalty. They're going for the death penalty.
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  Speaker 2: And on the other hand, there is this duality of
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  Speaker 2: a very a portrait of a very human person, a
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  Speaker 2: very human experience from this entire family, as you mentioned it,
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  Speaker 2: the mother who essentially discovered that it was her son
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  Speaker 2: who had done this, the kid who had got a
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  Speaker 2: thirty four out of thirty six on the acts, who
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  Speaker 2: had a four point zero, who got a full ride
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  Speaker 2: to college here that that kid was the one who
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  Speaker 2: allegedly perpetrated. She saw those pictures and said identify them essentially,
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  Speaker 2: and then those text messages. And I don't think I've
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  Speaker 2: ever experienced a press conference in which we've read text
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  Speaker 2: messages that are aso fulsome so robust, so apparently allegedly
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  Speaker 2: self incriminating, and yet on the other hand, so touching
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  Speaker 2: right with the suspect reaching out to his roommate, who
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  Speaker 2: is allegedly his boyfriend, who we understand, you know, identified
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  Speaker 2: as male at birth now identifies as female, and the
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  Speaker 2: anology he used he was trying to protect him. He
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  Speaker 2: kept calling him my love, my my reason for doing
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  Speaker 2: this is to protect you, you know, but also asking
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  Speaker 2: him to delete the messages and not speak to law enforcement.
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  Speaker 2: So there's this this heartbreaking duality that we're seeing very
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  Speaker 2: tragically playing out.
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  Speaker 3: If that's not doubling down, I don't know what.
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  Speaker 4: Is fullsome touching loving it is.
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  Speaker 3: I am breaking.
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  Speaker 4: Look, I don't know who this particular reporter is, but
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  Speaker 4: but I will say it's it says something that this
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  Speaker 4: speaks to him in such a touching, moving way. I
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  Speaker 4: see depraved maniacs who just committed cold blood and murder
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  Speaker 4: and and and his boyfriend. His boyfriend is like not
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: not saying, dear God, what the hell did you do? Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: he's just like, oh, oh, it was you, okay, you know,
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  Speaker 4: And he didn't. The boyfriend never said there is anything
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  Speaker 4: wrong with murdering Charlie Kirk. He was perfectly fine with it.
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  Speaker 4: There ain't not nothing touch about these two psychopaths reveling
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  Speaker 4: in their cold blooded murder, and for ABC to think
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  Speaker 4: it is that really tells you how messed up ABC is.
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  Speaker 1: As before, if you want to hear the rest of
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  Speaker 1: this conversation on this topic, you can go back and
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  Speaker 1: dow the podcast from earlier this week to hear the
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  Speaker 1: entire thing. I want to get back to the big
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  Speaker 1: story number three of the week you may have missed, Senator,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: I want to get to something else that happened earlier
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  Speaker 1: this week, and that was the questioning of the FBI Director,
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  Speaker 1: Cash Battel. You had the opportunity to talk with Cash
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: on a number of different issues. Obviously one of them
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  Speaker 1: that was in front of mine was the assassination of
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  Speaker 1: our friend Charlie kirk Well.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely so. This week Cash Battel, the Director of the FBI,
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  Speaker 4: testified in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee, and I
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: took the opportunity to question on a number of topics,
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: but front and center to urge Cash Battel to follow
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  Speaker 4: the money and in particular to go after Antifa and
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: to designate Antifa as a terrorist organist. Here's the exchange
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  Speaker 4: cash that I had. Give a listen. I want to
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  Speaker 4: encourage you in the course of this investigation. Absolutely go
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  Speaker 4: after anyone who aided and abedded, But I want to
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  Speaker 4: more broadly encourage you follow the money. The violence we
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  Speaker 4: are seeing is not purely organic. There is I believe,
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  Speaker 4: significant money that is spreading dissension, that is spreading violence. Antifa.
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  Speaker 4: Do you believe Antifa is a terrorist organization?
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  Speaker 5: I believe Antifa is associated with a lot of violence
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  Speaker 5: in this country. As to its designation, I'll leave that
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: today appropriate authorities.
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  Speaker 4: So I would encourage the administration to designate Antifa as
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  Speaker 4: a terrorist organization, to go systematically after Antifa that committed
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  Speaker 4: acts of violence all over the country, and the shell
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  Speaker 4: casings have multiple references to slogan that Antifa has popularized.
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  Speaker 4: I believe there is considerable money funding it. I would
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  Speaker 4: note that I've introduced legislation called the Stop Funders Act.
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  Speaker 4: Stop Funders Act would add rioting to the list of
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  Speaker 4: predicate offenses under RICO. I believe the money should be
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: fuck should be tracked and prosecuted under Rico, and both
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  Speaker 4: the Antifa and Black Lives Matter riots of a couple
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  Speaker 4: of years ago and the pro open border riots in
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: Los Angeles and other cities of this past year. I
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: believe there was significant money behind those riots. I'm not
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  Speaker 4: the only person who noticed at the anti Semitic protest
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  Speaker 4: and violent protests on college campuses that many of the
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: tents all matched. And so I would ask, would it
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  Speaker 4: aid your ability to prosecute these matters if Congress passed
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  Speaker 4: into law the Stop Funders Act and if rioting was
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  Speaker 4: added to the list of predicate offenses for RICO, Yes,
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  Speaker 4: talk to me about the efforts of the FBI to
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  Speaker 4: go after the funders of the anti semitic protests on
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  Speaker 4: college campuses, the pro open border protests in cities, and
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  Speaker 4: potential LGBT violence. Talk to me about the efforts to
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  Speaker 4: go after the money of those who are funding and
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  Speaker 4: promoting violence.
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  Speaker 5: As I've always said, Senator, money doesn't lie, and we've
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  Speaker 5: been following the money. And so that's what we're doing,
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: issuing lawful process to organizations involved with criminal activity because
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  Speaker 5: the money's got to come from somewhere and it has
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  Speaker 5: to be funded somehow. So we have extensive investigations ongoing
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: into numerous organizations that are related to violent criminal activity.
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  Speaker 4: Cutting off the money will make America much safer, and
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  Speaker 4: that is the core job of the FBI. And I
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  Speaker 4: thank you for doing your job.
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  Speaker 1: Now, you look at what you just said there in
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: the back and forth, Centator, and this turned very quickly
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  Speaker 1: into a new policy from the trum iministration as well.
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  Speaker 3: That is the best news coming out of.
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  Speaker 4: This, absolutely so. This testimony was on Tuesday. The very
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  Speaker 4: next day, President Trump announced he was doing what I
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: was calling for, which is designating Antifa as a terrorist organization.
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: I'm going to read to you from Fox News. President
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: Donald Trump on Wednesday announced he will designate Antifa, a
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: left wing activist group, a major terrorist organization. Trump described
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: the group as quote a sick, dangerous, radical left disaster
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  Speaker 4: in a truth social announcement, The president added that he
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  Speaker 4: will be strongly recommending that those funding Antifa be thoroughly
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  Speaker 4: investigated in coordance with the highest legal standards and practices.
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  Speaker 4: The announcement comes just days after Trump said he would
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  Speaker 4: one hundred percent consider the designation. Speaking to reporters in
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  Speaker 4: the Oval Office Monday, Trump accused Antiva participants of being
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  Speaker 4: quote professional agitators. In response to the administration's recent crackdown
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  Speaker 4: on illegal immigration. Quote, Antifa is terrible, the President said,
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  Speaker 4: these aren't protests. These are crimes that they're doing. They're
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  Speaker 4: throwing bricks at cars of the Ice and Border Patrol.
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  Speaker 4: They're professional agitators. They should be put in jail. What
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  Speaker 4: they're doing in this country is really subversive. And I
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: will say this goes right to the heart of a
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  Speaker 4: distinction that I've tried to lay it out layout repeatedly,
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  Speaker 4: which is free speech is protected. You can say things
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  Speaker 4: that are vile, that are hateful, that are horrible, that
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  Speaker 4: we hate, and the First Amendment protects it. Conduct is
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: not protected. When you engage in violence, it is not protected.
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  Speaker 4: What antifa is doing. Engaging in violence, engaging in harassment,
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: engaging in threats. That is not protected. And so what
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  Speaker 4: I urge cash Bettel follow the money, go after the money.
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  Speaker 4: And look, I believe there's money that is coming from
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  Speaker 4: foreign nations. There's money that's coming from Cutter, there's money
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: that's coming from Iran. There may be money coming from
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: cut communists China. And there's also money coming from the
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: gazillionaire left wing funders of the Democrat Party, people like
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: George Soros at his entire organization that are funding these
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: radical organizations. And it's one thing to go and prosecute
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: the individual criminals. We should do that, sure, but if
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: you want to solve the problem. It's why I've introduced
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  Speaker 4: the legislation, the Stop Funders Act, because RICO is an
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: incredibly powerful tool to prosecute not just an individual defendant,
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: but a criminal organization. And criminal organizations are usually structured
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: with a hub and spokes, and so following the money
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  Speaker 4: is how you get the people writing checks that are
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: sitting in their Manhattan penthouses funding the anti American, anti Israel,
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: communist jihadist agitators that are destroying this country. And so
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: I got to say, I was really encouraged. I've been
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  Speaker 4: pressing in the first Trump administration, pressed for years for
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: the first Trump administration to designate Antifa as a terrorist organization.
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  Speaker 4: There was a lot of openness to that argument, but
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  Speaker 4: it never succeeded. They never did it this time. When
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  Speaker 4: I pressed on Tuesday, the next day, the President came
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  Speaker 4: out and said, We're going to do that. That's exactly
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: the right thing to do.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is big, it's going to be really important.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to have a huge impact. Going forward. That
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: may be the best part of all. And of course
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: you know you're doing some right when the left is
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: losing their mind. They're saying, oh, this is the president
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: trying to silence political organizations. I'm sorry, they're not a
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: political organization terrorist organization. There's a big difference between a
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: political organization and a terrorist organization, and Antifa has all
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: the markings as you described to have a terrorist organization
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: going all the way back to twenty sixteen when you're
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  Speaker 1: first we're calling for this.
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  Speaker 4: If you engage in violence, it is not speech. Violence
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  Speaker 4: is not speech. And by the way, anyone who commits
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: violence should be prosecuted and go to jail. And that's
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  Speaker 4: true whether you're left wing or right wing. I might
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: agree with what you're saying, but if you engage in violence,
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: that is not acceptable. Speech is different from violence. We
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: how to protect speech and we how to prosecute violence
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: that put the violent criminals in jail.
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