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The Power Handoff That Sets Up the New Testament · Sacrilegious Discourse - Bible Study for Atheists

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ha ha ha!
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why are you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's up?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What's up?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you know what the fuck we're doing tonight?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do know, but you changed up on me the last minute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like, are you only kind of know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So why don't you feel the same?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so you were like, hey, so we're gonna do the New Testament soon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So let's do it intro to that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that was like, I think that sounds good, but hold on, let me check something.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I was right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The thing that I checked was, because I was always right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My God is so true and love you for that because you're always wrong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the thing is is that so we are finishing up second macabees.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We have already finished the Old Testament except for second macabees.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you're kind of right there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But there's this whole time period between the end of the macadudos and the New Testament when they start talking about all the
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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, we covered some of it, and the macadudos falls into the between the testaments, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I wanted to close the gap more because the macadudos falls when Greece is in charge, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I know that when Jesus comes around, when he comes around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, who nailed him up?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was the Roman.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was the fucking
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[SPEAKER_02]: from Greece to Rome.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we know in history that Rome took over Greece, or what the fuck ever, I mean, we know that that's something happened there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The Greece ain't in charge anymore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the Romans, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not Greece, baby.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's not Greece, baby, which, I mean, you should go listen to the episode that I did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Covering Greece, because it was pretty good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But...
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're not doing that because we already did that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I'm like, when does Rome come in?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Where's Rome?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And all of this, what is, what's a Rome?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What happens in Rome?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It stays in Rome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it didn't actually.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It expanded quite a bit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think, like before we do a complete intro to the New Testament, we've got to talk about Rome a little bit and the whole hand off.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's what we're doing today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, all right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're doing, we're doing Rome.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, we're doing Greece into it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're doing Greece into Rome.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the New Testament and whatever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're doing Rome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not a Greece.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not Rome alone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not home alone either.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not Rome alone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's Greece, Rome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so we're gonna talk about what happens after the macadoodles, even though we're not really done with the macadoodles yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so it might be a little bit confusing because we're getting ahead of ourselves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But we've done this before so gotten ahead of ourselves.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We've also been off more than we can chew.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that was from day one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was that was that was immediately upon starting this podcast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We also usually don't know what the fuck we're talking about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 100%.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So this just falls right in line with that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But we endeavor to find out, Daman.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I probably won't remember.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's our only saving grace.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think so.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you endeavor to find out, you should also endeavor to try to remember and learn from it, and I'm really bad at that unfortunately.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm pretty good at that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I push it out sometimes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, oh, I remember that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I pull it out of my ass.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You pull it out of things that already actually exist in our trip.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So anyways, after the Macadoodles, so guess what happened?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Did the Jews briefly rule themselves?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like the Macabeean thing that happened, they're all revolved.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The God, they're God gave them, they had like five minutes of yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: God's like your in charge guys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like you won.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Did it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You made it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: From like 140 to 63 BCE.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So for like five minutes basically.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I said.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know if you were called, but we were recording was a chapter seven, I think, of second Macadoodles, and then Rome came in and took over and I was like, no, no, no, you're gonna find out because of the research I had already done.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I knew this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's about five minutes that the Jews wrote themselves, they were very excited.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so that Macadabee and thing, they wrote that during that five minute time period when they were like, see?
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[SPEAKER_02]: If we just listen to God, then we get to rule our own selves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, this is me referencing an upcoming episode for tomorrow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But like, yeah, God did some pretty heinous things in the whole thing was like, it's grotesque.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then they're like, but you're going to get your just dessert.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it gets common, it's common.
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[SPEAKER_02]: is not good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And here's the thing, like, even though we know that Rome comes along and takes over, we also know that, but there's not like a real great Roman translation of the Bible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so we know about our Latin and Greek.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, they just spread it all around the fucking world, but they did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was already spread.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, no, the Greek.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They legitimized it somewhat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The Greeks had already spread it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They had already created all the roadwork.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They had already because of Alexander the Greek.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The way that he ran his countries and he encouraged the combining of languages and cultures and all of that, he had already encouraged all of these things to happen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So when the Romans came in and they tried to shut down Christianity,
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[SPEAKER_01]: to spread because of the roads and everything that they know I'm not saying it wasn't a lot of spread but I'm saying that when Rome eventually does adopt Christianity it does legitimize the religion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: because they are this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I see what you're saying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I see what you're saying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's all I was given.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the macabee and the revolt successfully pushed out the Greek salaised rulers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, we're not there yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So this is a head of where we are, but it's still not as far as you wanted to be.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I feel like I picked the right one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to do a new testament primer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know, and we do need to do one of those, but we're just not there yet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think maybe next week or the week after.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we've only got like seven more episodes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: eight more episodes right so yeah that's a week or two right so yeah a week or two right is literally what I said yeah anyways um so for like five minutes there was an independent Jewish kingdom ruled by the hazminan dynasty which is the macabees and their descendants yeah so for about 80 years
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what you're telling me, if this is spoilers, the macabees win.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, apparently the macabees win.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, spoilers, which I didn't know that, okay?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But, I mean, we're going to find that out anyways.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's nothing we couldn't have learned from it, reading it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ancient history, literally.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Literally.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not like I'm telling you that Bruce Willis was a ghost all along.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, that's a point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You haven't seen it then, yeah, no, now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not telling you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had not seen that movie for like the first 20 years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Something 25 years out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How long have you been out?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And your brother-in-law spoiled the fucking movie for me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know, I know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you had somehow managed to not hear any of the spoilers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I said that in front of my brother-in-law.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so he turned to you and upon purpose.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: That is such an asshole thing to do, like we were literally getting ready to watch it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was that was just on purpose means sure because that's okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The movie that we're talking about is the sixth sense and I don't care what the fuck anybody says.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, you did not know that Bruce Willis wasn't ghost the whole time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like now everybody's like, oh, I always knew it's all obvious and I'm like, no, you fucking did it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All of you assholes that are claiming you knew the whole time know you didn't, okay?
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[SPEAKER_02]: The movie was phenomenal and it was so wonderful.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, in retrospect it did make perfect sense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's why it was such a great payoff because of course he was.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ugh, but anyway, the joy of that movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I knew that whole time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, you didn't fuck off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was told.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it ruined it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It ruined it because it was a good movie, and he ruined it for you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Anyways for about 80 years 80 years Judea was independent ruled by Jewish priest kings Expanding their own territory and functioning like a normal small nation for about 80 years They were like, yeah, we're the shit man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right
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[SPEAKER_02]: But there were a lot of problems as you would imagine not just like outer nations trying to take over, there were a lot of civil wars that was corrupt leadership like basically all the things that they always have problems with, they still were there, they had powers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They never have nice things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, they can't let themselves out of nice things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There were power struggles between rival airs, which, like, of course there were.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So there was inviting and that allowed other people to come in and take their shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the internal instability is exactly what invited Roman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I mean, a couple of reasons you don't want instability on your borders and, you know, also probably was becoming a problem.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, room room was so big.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They wouldn't took it anyways.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it would have mattered even if they had all their shit together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Room was still going to get it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So Rome came into the picture about 63 BCE.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we're coming up on the z-roll line.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So in 63 BCE, the Roman general pumpy pumpy pumpy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: because he's a more fun to say.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Say it, Pompey.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, well, he refused.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's Pompey here after that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I said it once.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I won't do it again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Pompey, much dangerous alone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What's going on?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Pompey, so he marched in, but he didn't destroy Jerusalem.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He did something even worse.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He made Judea a client kingdom of Rome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so why is that worse?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's worse because he's like, you're wrong now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like there would be a run poorly though.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe that's some level where like, yeah, you're right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We suck.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, no, okay, here's, here's why it's worse.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's worse historically.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was probably better in the moment, but like looking back, it's like, I wish you would have just, you know, leveled it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Got it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But instead, the Jews got to keep their religion and the Jews kept their temples and the Jews had their own king.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were trying to be all the Alexander the Great about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: But Rome was the real power behind the throne.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so from that moment on, Judea belonged to the Roman Empire.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which that's you know, which that's not that's not new.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's been other people that ruled Julia that were that allowed them to do your own thing except that pay us your taxes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like even some a lot of like specifically right after the Babylonian exile.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember the guy's name off top my head.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, uh, it's on the tip of my time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I can't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was that one guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that one guy?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know if you're talking about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a good one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a good one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So when that we light, I want to see things started with the sea.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I should know these things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know, but I don't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember there was a good King.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There was a good leader.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So then in 37 between 37 and 4 BCE, let's just feel so weird.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like there was a year for BCE.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's when King Herod comes in and he's that Bible King Herod.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like during the Jesus' time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's that King.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The Roman King.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was like, he had a down Jesus and suffered.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like again, we're not there yet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So this is like all ahead of us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But so Rome installed Herod the Great as their King.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he's the one that's in the Nativity story.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he wants to do the census and all that, you know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, all right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the census is why Mary and Joseph went on the run.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's why they were like.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Excuse me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you have any room at the end tonight?
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[SPEAKER_02]: My wife is pregnant.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Can we please have a room at the end?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then every town in full it in every room in town is full.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's why they have to sleep in the barn and where Jesus is born.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because they were traveling because of the census.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wow, wow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I knew a thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I knew I knew a Jesus he thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's weird.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I shouldn't know that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, Harriet is that King.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's not fully Jewish.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was I'd you man, but he was super loyal to Rome.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He says not fully Jewish.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Does that mean he's some Jewish?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Roman stalled here at the great as the King in Judea, that's what I was trying to say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he's like here, Roman is like here, have your little Jewish King die.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got his little fiefdom.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and so here it's like I'm kind of, I'm kind of Jewish.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm Jewish.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ah, yeah, and um, so he's not fully Jewish, but he is very loyal to Rome.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's politically ruthless.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's a massive builder like he rebuilt the temple and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was trying to put all kinds of shit back together.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he's trying to have it both ways, but he can't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: you can't have it both ways.
14:37
[SPEAKER_02]: You've got to pick one and he's loyal to Rome.
14:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
14:41
[SPEAKER_02]: So he ruled you day out when Jesus was born.
14:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
14:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
14:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, why is Rome in charge and not Greece?
14:50
[SPEAKER_02]: What the fog happened?
14:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
14:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm assuming war.
14:55
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
14:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
14:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Seriously.
14:57
[SPEAKER_02]: By Jesus' time, Rome had conquered the Greek
15:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Or is that something else?
15:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm going to stop guessing because I don't like this one.
15:10
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I thought my head would be more would be.
15:12
[SPEAKER_02]: But that was a different, that was lots of Greek things happening.
15:16
[SPEAKER_02]: I think like Helen of Troy and um, okay, you know, that was Troy.
15:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
15:25
[SPEAKER_02]: Trojan Troy.
15:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
15:28
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
15:28
[SPEAKER_02]: Why are you looking at me like that?
15:30
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I feel like it was whatever.
15:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't matter.
15:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
15:34
[SPEAKER_02]: So okay.
15:34
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going backwards in time a little bit though.
15:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
15:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
15:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Which is a Greek thing, okay?
15:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Rooms like boom, done.
15:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Quarth is gone.
15:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Greece then became part of the Roman Empire.
15:57
[SPEAKER_02]: So by the first century, Rome ruled everything, Greece used to rule.
16:02
[SPEAKER_02]: So they just moved in and took everything that Greece had already set up.
16:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Got it.
16:07
[SPEAKER_02]: So they didn't like make everything.
16:11
[SPEAKER_02]: They were just like, oh my God, you guys did such a good job.
16:16
[SPEAKER_02]: This is ours now.
16:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Not any.
16:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
16:18
[SPEAKER_02]: They were like, this is awesome.
16:20
[SPEAKER_02]: You need roads.
16:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
16:22
[SPEAKER_02]: We're just going to rename them now.
16:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
16:24
[SPEAKER_02]: Bye.
16:26
[SPEAKER_02]: So this included Judea, Syria, Egypt, Asia Minor and Greece itself.
16:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow.
16:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
16:35
[SPEAKER_02]: So it just everything got absorbed.
16:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
16:39
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
16:39
[SPEAKER_02]: and Greek culture still dominate a daily life, even though the leadership was Roman.
16:46
[SPEAKER_02]: So you have Rome in charge, but Greek, and it was like, what is that saying?
16:54
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like Greek in the sheets, like Roman in the streets, but Greek in the sheets, kind of thing?
17:02
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
17:04
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
17:04
[SPEAKER_02]: The New Testament was written in Greece, right, our in Greek, not Latin, right, and Greek was the common language at the time.
17:14
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, and that was because, like I said, Alexander the Great, okay?
17:20
[SPEAKER_02]: His conquest had created a very Greek speaking world.
17:23
[SPEAKER_02]: He made Greek just the common tongue and he made the culture,
17:28
[SPEAKER_02]: Greek, everything was Greek, member Greece, maybe.
17:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
17:33
[SPEAKER_02]: And even the Romans used Greek in the Eastern Empire.
17:38
[SPEAKER_02]: So the Romans spoke Greek.
17:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
17:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Great.
17:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
17:41
[SPEAKER_02]: I just like, wow, that's crazy.
17:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
17:44
[SPEAKER_02]: So Rome ruled politically, but Greek culture ruled culturally.
17:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
17:49
[SPEAKER_02]: So Rome's in charge, but Greek is the way we act.
17:53
[SPEAKER_01]: real quick interjection here.
17:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the Trojan War was in like the 12th or 13th century BCE.
17:59
[SPEAKER_01]: So definitely was mad.
18:01
[SPEAKER_01]: I was I was way out.
18:03
[SPEAKER_01]: You were so way way out.
18:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
18:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
18:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
18:06
[SPEAKER_02]: So you should not add things because yeah.
18:10
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know enough to like argue with you.
18:13
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was that's why I fact checked myself because I was like.
18:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that you're probably right that I was wrong about that one.
18:19
[SPEAKER_01]: So.
18:19
[SPEAKER_02]: your face didn't say that at the time.
18:21
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm really grateful that you're correcting yourself now because your face was like, what a duly way!
18:28
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, I don't think you are.
18:31
[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know stuff.
18:33
[SPEAKER_02]: So like, what the fuck do I know?
18:35
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so Rome was the government, but Greece was the operating system, okay?
18:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Got it?
18:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I got it.
18:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that's important because that's the world that Jesus grew up in.
18:46
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what he was born into.
18:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
18:48
[SPEAKER_02]: It's Greece, maybe, except that it's Rome, but you know, it's Greekish, right?
18:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
18:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's not all Greece to me, but it acts like it.
18:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
18:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
18:58
[SPEAKER_01]: So.
19:00
[SPEAKER_02]: It's quite, baby, so yeah, I mean, Greece, or Rome, yeah, it's both, it's been a boat, right?
19:08
[SPEAKER_02]: So when Jesus was born, and then when he grew up, and was like walking around preaching his shit, Judea was under Roman occupations.
19:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Just one occupation.
19:19
[SPEAKER_02]: It's Roman occupation.
19:20
[SPEAKER_02]: I said occupations like jobs.
19:23
[SPEAKER_02]: But no, it was under Roman occupation, meaning the Romans were occupying that land and kingdom and place.
19:30
[SPEAKER_02]: So Judea was under Roman control and the Roman governors ruled everything.
19:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, and of those, we get Pontius Pilate.
19:46
[SPEAKER_02]: of the leader of the of the Roman governors.
19:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
19:50
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
19:50
[SPEAKER_02]: One of them is Pontius Pilate.
19:51
[SPEAKER_01]: I know that.
19:52
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a Bibley guy.
19:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
19:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like he was really important.
19:55
[SPEAKER_02]: He was.
19:56
[SPEAKER_02]: He was the one who sentenced Jesus to crucifixion.
19:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
19:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
20:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
20:00
[SPEAKER_02]: We're in the serious spoiler territory here.
20:02
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's I mean.
20:05
[SPEAKER_02]: is stuff that like we kind of know like I kind of know the names and yeah and that's why I'm saying like this this doesn't feel like spoilers when you and I know this stuff like by heart so I mean did you know that he was the one who sentenced Jesus oh okay it wasn't sure you did okay
20:23
[SPEAKER_02]: So crucifixion itself was a Roman punishment, not Jewish, not Greek, okay?
20:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
20:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Not Latin by far, okay?
20:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, right.
20:35
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
20:35
[SPEAKER_02]: It was not Jewish, not Greek.
20:37
[SPEAKER_02]: It was totally a Roman kind of thing, okay?
20:41
[SPEAKER_02]: And so that's why Rome became very central to the whole Jesus story because they just moved in and we're like, I mean, it's still Greece, but we're just calling it Rome now.
20:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
20:51
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
20:52
[SPEAKER_02]: So here's why Jews hated Roman rule, okay?
20:58
[SPEAKER_02]: They were taxed heavily, which I'm like under the Romans or like ever under anybody ever.
21:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
21:05
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know if it's fair to say, we totally hated it when the Romans were in charge because they taxed us heavily.
21:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Couldn't you just have a tea party or something?
21:16
[SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, couldn't you just say, God, we hate that everybody who rolls us ever, always taxes us, heavily.
21:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
21:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't think they probably tax you any heavier than anybody else did.
21:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody sucked.
21:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever.
21:29
[SPEAKER_01]: So that was, they didn't like that.
21:31
[SPEAKER_02]: And also, Rome installed puppet kings, which, hello, I know that in the first time.
21:37
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the Romans executed rebels brutally, which, hi, we're reading about the Greeks doing that right fucking now.
21:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, yeah.
21:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, not new things are all standard operating procedure for conquering entities back then.
21:55
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, and the Romans controlled the high priest.
22:01
[SPEAKER_02]: which again, standard so you hated Roman rule what you mean to say is you hate anybody who's ruling you fucking hate being conquered yeah it sucks to be conquered being conquered totally fucking sucks.
22:16
[SPEAKER_02]: Many Jews were hoping for a Messiah who would overthrow Rome.
22:20
[SPEAKER_02]: They were like, remember that one time when it sucked so fucking bad, and we had a Messiah guy and he let his people go, and like we followed him into the desert, and that was Moses.
22:31
[SPEAKER_02]: And we want to be full if we had a Messiah guy who would let my people go today.
22:36
[SPEAKER_02]: That'd be so fucking cool.
22:38
[SPEAKER_01]: So we can wander around for 40 more years.
22:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but in the desert and having got through birds at us as proof that he's real.
22:46
[SPEAKER_02]: awesome bra.
22:49
[SPEAKER_02]: This expectation.
22:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Make your day a great again.
22:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
22:53
[SPEAKER_02]: So they were just hoping it.
22:55
[SPEAKER_02]: They were like practically expecting it because it sucked so bad for them.
22:59
[SPEAKER_02]: They were like, it's bound to happen.
23:02
[SPEAKER_02]: Because every time we suffer, the more we suffer, the more God saves us eventually.
23:08
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's almost like we're just not suffering enough.
23:12
[SPEAKER_02]: If we just suffer harder, God's gonna save us.
23:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
23:16
[SPEAKER_02]: Which really entices them to be a suffering people.
23:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
23:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, that's a weird religion.
23:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
23:24
[SPEAKER_02]: So this expectation formed the background of the gospels, which is Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
23:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
23:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
23:33
[SPEAKER_02]: First, first four books of the New Testament.
23:37
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
23:37
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
23:38
[SPEAKER_02]: When people call Jesus, King of the Jews, that's very political language.
23:44
[SPEAKER_02]: It implies rebellion against Rome, and that's mostly why Roman executed them.
23:50
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't just what he stood for, and it wasn't just what he was preaching, and it wasn't just that people were following him, is that the people were calling him the King of the Jews.
24:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Got it.
24:02
[SPEAKER_02]: that made for King of the actual King, like be like, no, I'm the King of the Jews, and I'm the King of all of y'all, and fuck off.
24:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
24:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
24:14
[SPEAKER_02]: So, Greece never disappeared.
24:16
[SPEAKER_02]: It just became a Roman province and all the Greek cities still thrived under Rome as we know because they still exist to this day.
24:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
24:26
[SPEAKER_02]: To this day.
24:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
24:29
[SPEAKER_02]: You gotta say it like that.
24:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
24:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Come on, say it.
24:31
[SPEAKER_01]: To this day.
24:32
[SPEAKER_02]: No, you gotta say to this day.
24:35
[SPEAKER_01]: You gotta cover it, I think.
24:35
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
24:36
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
24:37
[SPEAKER_02]: So many new testament events happen in Greek cities, which I didn't know, but we get quarant and we get a piece of the pieces and that's Elanica and Philippi, Philippi, Philippi, Philippians, Philippi.
24:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
24:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to say that fucking city.
24:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
25:00
[SPEAKER_02]: What do I look like?
25:00
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm Greek.
25:03
[SPEAKER_02]: So, anyway, one of the apostles, Paul, he spends most of his time in the Greek regions, which we're not even at that, I don't know who Paul is, but he's one of the guys.
25:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Pretty important.
25:16
[SPEAKER_02]: I know he's important, but he's not one of the Matthew Mark Luke or John.
25:19
[SPEAKER_01]: No, but he's more important.
25:21
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I get.
25:22
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I hear, but I don't know it.
25:25
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know any of them guys, but I guess that guy spends most of his time in Greece areas.
25:32
[SPEAKER_02]: And the Roman Empire was politically Roman, but culturally Greek in the Greek area.
25:38
[SPEAKER_01]: So... Spill a pie.
25:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, good to know, fill a pie, fill a pie for Libbyans.
25:45
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a fuss, a fuss, a fuss, a fuss, a fuss, a fuss, a fuss.
25:51
[SPEAKER_02]: A fuss, a fuss, a fuss, a fuss.
25:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Brady.
25:53
[SPEAKER_02]: A fuss is.
25:54
[SPEAKER_01]: We're doing our live.
25:55
[SPEAKER_01]: We forgot to say that.
25:56
[SPEAKER_01]: We're alive on Discord.
25:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
25:58
[SPEAKER_01]: We can take real-time corrections.
26:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
26:00
[SPEAKER_02]: You should join us Tuesdays at 10 p.m. Eastern so that you can still butcher the corrections.
26:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
26:06
[SPEAKER_02]: So you could try to help me learn how to say stuff.
26:09
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll still say it wrong, but you can make fun of me.
26:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, I got to throw this out there.
26:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I've earned sure it's something up here, which I thought was interesting.
26:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
26:18
[SPEAKER_01]: If Ernst says, why did the Jews dislike Roman rule?
26:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, sure, taxes, but they also, but there's also the rampant soldiery just killing and maybe them at will with no consequences in the occasional rape for thrills.
26:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Apparently, there's a historical hypothesis that Mary was pregnant from a Roman soldier possibly through rape.
26:36
[SPEAKER_01]: and it's supported by some allegations in extra biblical records.
26:39
[SPEAKER_02]: What?
26:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, look, I were not into this shit.
26:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but that sounds interesting.
26:43
[SPEAKER_02]: What?
26:44
[SPEAKER_02]: I need that story.
26:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Pronto.
26:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
26:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, wow, wow, wow.
26:49
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
26:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, she was raped by a Roman soldier.
26:53
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that, that tracks, right?
26:56
[SPEAKER_02]: But so, okay, okay, I'm not there yet.
27:01
[SPEAKER_02]: I got to call my dad.
27:03
[SPEAKER_02]: I got to call my tips right now.
27:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Whew, that was heavy.
27:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks, bird.
27:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Whew, this is why you have to join us on this course.
27:10
[SPEAKER_02]: So you could say shit that like, fucking throws me off right in the middle of my, my spiel here.
27:18
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so here's the timeline summary of basically what happened.
27:24
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
27:25
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
27:25
[SPEAKER_02]: So in 333 BCE, Alexander conquered the whole region.
27:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, we're gonna cover it all that, okay?
27:33
[SPEAKER_02]: 167 BCE is the macabee and revolt, which we've just covered that twice now, the first and second macaduto, right?
27:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
27:41
[SPEAKER_02]: 140 to 63 BCE,
27:46
[SPEAKER_02]: which is what we're coming up on in our reading.
27:48
[SPEAKER_02]: We get independent Jewish kingdom.
27:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay?
27:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
27:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Then in 63 BCE, Rome conquers Judea.
27:58
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's the part we won't really read about because there's no biobalies equivalent.
28:04
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's kind of what I was like, where, what is that?
28:09
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what this is, okay?
28:11
[SPEAKER_02]: And then 37, 24 BCE is when Herod rolled
28:16
[SPEAKER_02]: And then about four BCE is when Jesus is born, and then 26 to 36 CE, so current era, Pontius Pilate governs, and then about 30 CE is when Jesus was executed.
28:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Got it.
28:34
[SPEAKER_02]: So oh, he was only about 26 years old then.
28:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
28:37
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
28:38
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a bad age to get hung up on a cross.
28:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, yeah, that's a bad age to get hung up on a cross.
28:46
[SPEAKER_02]: I am going to say Jesus getting hung up on the cross.
28:50
[SPEAKER_02]: He did not get it as bad as the seven brothers that we just read about.
28:53
[SPEAKER_01]: No, yeah.
28:55
[SPEAKER_02]: I am just going to say that.
28:56
[SPEAKER_02]: And also,
28:58
[SPEAKER_01]: What would our religious paraphernalia would look more like a frying pan, if it were... Oh, team!
29:05
[SPEAKER_01]: If he got done that way.
29:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I want...
29:07
[SPEAKER_01]: I would just say in tune in tomorrow, you'll find out why.
29:09
[SPEAKER_02]: I want a frying pan necklace.
29:13
[SPEAKER_02]: I want a frying pan necklace.
29:14
[SPEAKER_02]: Just a little miniature frying pan.
29:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
29:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
29:18
[SPEAKER_02]: And then when people ask me I'll be like, it's my promise that I will give you up in a fucking minute because I have no soul.
29:26
[SPEAKER_01]: And also you can double it to cook bacon on it.
29:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, no, it'll be too little for that.
29:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Unless it's a miniature bacon.
29:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Miniature bacon.
29:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Miniature bacon.
29:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
29:35
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
29:36
[SPEAKER_02]: So that is basically
29:39
[SPEAKER_02]: the whole between the Macadoodles and the Jesus story, okay?
29:46
[SPEAKER_02]: So the new Testament sits right at the intersection of Jewish religion, Greek culture, and Roman political power.
29:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
29:58
[SPEAKER_02]: That's an interesting kind of crossroads to be at.
30:04
[SPEAKER_02]: All three were present simultaneously.
30:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Rome provided the government, the military, and the crucifixion, Greece provided the language, the philosophy, and the culture, and then Judaism provided that theology, the scriptures, and the Messiah expectations, the people suffering that required a Messiah.
30:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
30:27
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Christianity emerges from that giant collision, which I was like, whoa, that is very interesting to me.
30:37
[SPEAKER_02]: Rome unintentionally helped Christianity spread because their infrastructure made travel easier with the roads and the shipping routes and the political unity that they kind of took out off of Greece.
30:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Like Greece made big, but then when Rome came in, they cleaned it up.
30:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Got it.
31:00
[SPEAKER_02]: And so,
31:02
[SPEAKER_02]: I just found that so interesting because I runically, Rome executed Jesus, but Rome's empire, the fact of the empire helped spread his message everywhere.
31:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, oh, that didn't work out really well.
31:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
31:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, you could say the same thing about today, right?
31:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
31:23
[SPEAKER_01]: the reason Trump is so popular is because of the internet.
31:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's true.
31:27
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's how his message spread.
31:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that is true.
31:30
[SPEAKER_01]: And it too.
31:30
[SPEAKER_01]: No, you're right.
31:31
[SPEAKER_02]: So I do want to say something really interesting.
31:35
[SPEAKER_02]: When I was a kid, my dad was in the military.
31:40
[SPEAKER_02]: And he was stationed in Southern Italy.
31:45
[SPEAKER_02]: And there were times that the school that I went to, which was a department of defense school.
31:53
[SPEAKER_02]: would take the kids off base, and we would get to see local things in the country in Italy.
32:01
[SPEAKER_02]: One of the things that we got to see was the Appian Way.
32:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
32:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's like the actual stone.
32:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The actual road.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That the Roman soldiers marched on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was never a kid that was like in the history or anything, but the moment that I understood that the Roman soldiers had actually marched on these stones that I was, I literally kind of like, I fell and like my hands went onto the stones because I was like, I'm touching history and it was one of the most
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[SPEAKER_02]: heavy moments that I can recall experiencing in in my childhood.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was in, I don't know, like, eighth, ninth, tenth grade.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember because I was there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I was there between fifth and tenth grade.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I had to be old enough to understand the weight of history.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I would be much the same way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, my whole life has been spent mostly in the US, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I do, I love history, you know that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But a lot of my history knowledge is heavier on the US-based things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I love whenever we travel, I always look up like civil war spots, it's things like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's something about being where history happened to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is very,
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[SPEAKER_01]: connecting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It makes you feel apart.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like that holding that Christians talk about being part of something bigger than yourself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's that, but with the understanding that it's not bigger like an entity, it's bigger as in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: the whole world existed before I did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And all of these things happen, whether I lived or not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, I guess, yeah, yeah, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And to me, there's something about, like, it's not that I love visiting battle spots, but I do, but the reason I'm not, not because I want to see where a battle happened, but because I want to remember that, a battle happened.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That there was a you don't glorify war and death you glorify you honor those who died and what happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That allowed where you are today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I think there's totally different ways of of getting of a feeling that moment of history and
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[SPEAKER_01]: Love the fighting aspect of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't love the fighting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: we were able to make, like how we came through this as a country, how we got through the side and then being there seeing where these things, people's blood were spilled to make these things happen for our country.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That to me is the part of this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's part of the whole American dream thing that you carry with you as a Boy Scout and as a lover of history.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And as what the original patriotism and being a true American
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so I, I get that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I, having felt that overseas, I never connected with America as a newer country.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You talk about like the Civil War, the American Civil War and how that impacts you and how you feel about the country.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I never connected with that because
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[SPEAKER_02]: I felt like what I had touched with so much older and that America was like, who, whom's the fuck?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think you are new kid on the block?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, one and even where you spent some of your young adulthood and even childhood, you weren't really connected to it because you were out in Texas and Arizona and places that weren't really like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: the old country of the US, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like this is where I grew up is very much, there's a lot of history in this part of the country, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: American history.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to correct.
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[SPEAKER_01]: US history at that, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, but you didn't really ever have a point in time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And as you've learned moving around at different places, there is a lot of,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You learn localized history.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You live in the US where you didn't learn because you were not in the US.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, when I actually came back to the US, my dad retired from the Air Force, I came back to the US to start 11th grade in Texas, never having lived there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Never knowing anything about Texas as a state, much less, the United States.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I felt what it was like to be an American overseas, missing America and missing the states.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I never felt what it was like to be American in America and to connect with with that culture.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there is a difference.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but yeah, we had to take local history classes and I was like Texas, the fuck do I care about Texas history?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm not Texan.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not from Texas.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't give a shit about to.
37:42
[SPEAKER_02]: I lived overseas.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I am a military brat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I lived in Europe.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I travel.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why the fuck do I care about Texas?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I could not make myself care, even in the slightest, and the more that the state was horrible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the more my experience there was horrible, like the more I was like, this is such a joke.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I couldn't, I didn't have the words, I didn't have the understanding to convey to everybody why like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I felt so strongly about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know that I don't know that my feeling is even the right feeling to have, but it's the feeling I had.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But like where we live now, like you've come to know because you've been here long enough, like the right brothers, I mean dominate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: local history here, you know, like that is, that's all anybody talks about with you, like every, you've lived here, you know about the Wright brothers, you knew everything about the fucking Wright brothers, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like, and there's, there's some little, like where you were in Texas for a little bit, everybody would have known about the Alamo, you know, like, I'm sure that was the local history there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's, there's always some little snippet wherever you go, which I can't even imagine for the old world, like, you know, Rome and just places like that,
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[SPEAKER_01]: the amount of depth and that hissed that local history.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, so much more.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what I felt.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, y'all are so proud of this, but this is yesterday.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm talking about centuries and centuries and centuries ago.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm talking about a fucking continent where actual history was made, you know?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I just couldn't, I've lived in Ohio for
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[SPEAKER_02]: almost 26 years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It'll be 26 years at the end of this year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm still, I have lived here, but I don't ever still consider myself really from here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I just, you know, from really anywhere.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I
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[SPEAKER_01]: the closest you would consider would be Italy, but that doesn't exist or you live there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that base doesn't exist anymore.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know enough about off-base to be able to say, oh, yeah, I totally connect with Italy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, my hair is dimming no service, y'all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They do me no fucking favors like I literally don't connect with anywhere I guess I connect with Ohio more than anything anywhere, but even that's kind of like Because then people start getting a little too up aty and I'm like you think you're so big if you're so fucking awesome Why are you when Ohio like it's Ohio it's not like this is New York It's not like this is California y'all acting like you something, but you're you're in Ohio and you're in dating at that like the fuck
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[SPEAKER_01]: Jim, sir, maybe.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's something anyways.
40:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so that was not grease baby and
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was almost wrong, baby, and grease and wrong.
40:46
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what we're talking about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's where we're at.
40:49
[SPEAKER_02]: That's where we're at.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're so fucking close to the New Testament, guys.
40:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm getting messages on, like, okay, people can lead messages for us on Spotify as like comments.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I've gotten at least three or four messages.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really looking forward to the New Testament, and then everybody on Discord's like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: When are we getting to the New Testament and they're like probably never, and then I'm thinking that we're getting there, we're almost there y'all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: As soon as we finish the second Macadoodles, I think we're ready to actually start.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just I had to I had to film my way into it and this actually learning the crossover time period in history.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This actually helped me get ready for it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we're almost there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're almost there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like eight more episodes to go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we're going to be in a new testament.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's pretty close.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's pretty close now, y'all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We can see the pages.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's all you got, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's all I got, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're listening to this, we're going to say it again tomorrow because we actually did tomorrow's episode before we did this episode, but like you would have just got done listening to the state of the union if you watched the last night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm really sorry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's really really sorry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was like what three hours of fucking reaction record for Link, I think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was, it was, it was, it was, unlike, unlike his dick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's what they said.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you everybody for joining us and don't forget to join us next week on discord live 10 p.m. Eastern on on discord because you know this court on Tuesdays and there's a link in the show notes as always so go click on that join us come over be there or you know don't but I mean, you know, you should just do just do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks everybody.