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Emo and Punk Fashion Redefined with Stylist Kitty Cowell · OurSpace with Matt Vettese

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  You're listening to R-Space with Matt Batiste.
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  I'm especially excited about this week's guest. Kitty Cowell is a fashion stylist
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  from the UK with a punk and emo twister style, and I absolutely love it.
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  Kitty, thank you so much for coming on the podcast today.
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  Of course. Thank you so much for having me. Love that intro.
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  How did you get started in the fashion industry while mixing sort of punk and emo into it all?
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  Oh it's such is such a long answer
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  but i'll try and make it short and sweet basically i went
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  to uni to study fashion design i didn't really know what
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  a fashion stylist was like i kind of did but i didn't really realize
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  it was like a viable career and as i
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  was at like the typical this is actually so like typical like
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  art school right as i was at uni i went to manchester
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  originally have you heard of manchester yeah yeah so
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  manchester's like a really big place and i it it
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  was one of the top universities to go to for fashion design the
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  best one that I got into so I chose that one it's where like my
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  mum's side of the family are from and then I hated it
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  it's like it was like everybody's dream like oh
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  yes you know she's gone to Manchester like a family roots it's like the best
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  course she could be at and although it has an amazing music scene I was very
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  much like I was in a completely different for some reason different area to
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  the rest of the people on my course and Manchester's not huge but I am from
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  the middle of the countryside it felt huge and.
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  Long story short in my year before university
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  I took it a year out and I used to
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  make music like just for a laugh like I literally made
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  these like silly like demos with my friends and
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  then in my gap year I got picked up like
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  it was really random I was like drunk outside a club and my
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  friends would like make me freestyle and like it was
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  just so funny long story short this is
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  what i mean by being long i ended up going to paris in
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  my gap year to like record music it was just so wild like literally
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  the wild like that is a whole movie in itself and when i decided when i came
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  back and i was finally going to uni i guess i'd had that experience and it was
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  all quite exciting i'd met a lot of people in music i had started a like a myspace
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  fashion company you know like drop dead Oh my God, I love that.
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  That was my ticket to uni. Like I had to do that in my gap year because,
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  or like prior, like the beginning of my gap year, like prior to that,
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  to like get into the uni course because I didn't have a portfolio.
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  Like I hadn't studied anything
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  like that course in school basically so I had to
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  create my own portfolio and I was like I don't
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  know I just went all in I did I did this whole MySpace thing I
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  built my own website you know MySpace taught us everything you know
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  so I could like code my own website anyway so
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  I'd also started to gift bands so you
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  had like all these little emo bands like local hardcore bands that
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  kind of thing like wearing like my t-shirts and stuff went to
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  uni and it was I don't know it should have been cool it was Manchester but
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  I think I'd met people in other cities and like I
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  didn't find my people like quickly in Manchester felt just
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  a bit secluded right and I
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  had all these friends in Cardiff like one of my best friends had
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  gone to the uni there she'd already been there for a year I'd visited
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  a lot I loved it so I changed and I
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  transferred and it's really funny because my parents both
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  worked in fashion when I was younger and they had
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  had like people give me advice to go to Manchester that was like the best course
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  and I just left went to a course that generally like didn't have the best reputation
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  but the university had a very good reputation it's just it wasn't known for
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  fashion but it had like all these links within like music culture photography.
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  It's one of the best documentary photography courses that you can go to in the
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  country and I just thought it's going to be more creative and I was in the middle
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  of the Welsh valleys literally like the middle of nowhere.
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  And down the road was this place called Newport. And then Cardiff was just a little bit further.
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  And I don't know if you've ever heard of Newport in South Wales. No.
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  So it is can i
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  swear do you might like yeah okay cool i'm i
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  have a potty mouth i'm very bad so basically it's
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  known as the shitty city it's literally it's like a shithole but just around
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  the corner is this amazing university and they had this incredible music venue
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  there it's called tj's it's now closed it's really sad but the memories there
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  like the history is just just unbelievable.
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  Like Nirvana played some of their first ever shows that, you know, like incredible.
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  And yeah, that was on my doorstep. So I started to become friends with loads
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  of musicians because obviously I'm at uni full of artists, musicians,
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  photographers, you know, fashion course. You're taking it all in.
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  Exactly. And we just all became friends. We all collaborated with each other.
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  People needed, you know, photography, people just, just helped each other out.
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  And it was, it wasn't anything like a city like Manchester is,
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  but it was like, Like in a way, I think it was better because,
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  because there's nothing there, you have to be creative.
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  And it just literally sped me on. Like I just, I, I collaborated so much with
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  other people and yeah, so I was doing design and long short of it is I actually
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  ended up being a musician for quite a few years.
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  I got picked up when then, when I was in Cardiff completely separately by like
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  the rate, like radio one, which is like the biggest radio station in the country.
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  I went off on tour and I was like part of the whole like do you remember when
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  Enter Shikari started right that whole crossover between like heavy like hardcore
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  emo and then like electronica.
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  And you and you had like the emo rap scene as well
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  all and it was amazing you would have like seven genres
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  with within like kind of the same genre and they'd
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  all play shows together and I I'm just I'm
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  just mad and creative so I started to put my own gigs on and I
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  had so many good bands play and I would just do like
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  an opening set myself and that just kind
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  of blew up so I had this MySpace clothing brand I was
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  like a touring musician I was recording I recorded with
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  like basement jacks and like crazy people and and.
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  Then it got to this point where like i started.
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  A group we blew up we were this is
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  so yeah so random but we went on tour with
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  lady sovereign do you remember who she is no oh
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  my god okay after this you have to go
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  and listen to because you will remember at least one of the songs it was
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  like the whole myspace scene but she was more like the
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  rap side of it okay she she's what like the
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  biggest female rapper from the uk to break america right
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  like i'll have to go and listen because it might be one of
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  those things because there's there was just so much that happened back
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  then too that like you forget about it until you actually hear
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  it and you're like oh i forgot about that right i knew that
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  one exactly it was my favorite time because she did
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  loads of collabs of like indie bands and like you know
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  it was so many crossovers were happening so while i was doing all
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  of that i was still like designing merch basically like for
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  all the musical projects I was doing I did all the design I
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  sold all the t-shirts and people then would
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  like ask me you know like bands were asking me for like merch and
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  to design stuff for them so it's kind of like that like I didn't jump
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  into styling I kind of went about it in
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  this DIY like music way if that makes sense and
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  then I came to London to study music
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  I didn't know what to do and I thought I just have to go to London I either
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  want to work in fashion or music like that's what what I want to do and I got
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  this mad I again everything I've done I've got this crazy stories but I went
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  to a course that Ed Sheeran did and Rita Ora and because of that like there was a lot of eyes on it.
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  And I ended up coming out. It was just a year course called artist development.
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  So it was everything around like. And Rita Ora and Ed Sheeran,
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  were they like the ones that were putting it on or they also took the course
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  at one point? They also took the course before me.
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  Yeah. Okay. So they were like, especially Ed Sheeran, he's still like the poster
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  boy for this college. Well, it's like an academy.
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  And you have to do like a, literally like an X factor audition to get in. It's crazy.
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  That's kind of cool though. It was a bit. I honestly just think nerve-wracking
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  but cool like so nerve-wracking and then there's this crazy girl making weird
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  emo electric rap sounds I don't know how the fuck they let me in like it's so weird,
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  but everyone everyone there was always like wow you're so
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  good at like the branding side of things and like the styling side of
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  things and you know if you don't continue
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  being a musician like we can see you doing that and I came
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  out as like the top artist that year I was pushed into
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  like management management and and all this stuff all
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  the stuff you want you know as a musician basically and I
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  was like a broke musician living in London with all
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  the right people around me but like still having to work like
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  a nine-to-five and it was all very stressful and a lot of men were in control
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  of my like future basically and it just it was just I don't know a few things
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  happened and I was like this isn't the music I want to make like this just isn't
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  going in the right direction and And it was like,
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  okay, I started a fashion blog, just as like a little thing when I was,
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  cause I'm like, well, I studied a fashion degree.
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  I should like, I should do something with that. You know what I mean?
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  And so, yeah, I started this fashion blog because I already had a presence on
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  the internet and people were constantly asking me where my clothes were from.
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  And I was always being gifted clothing by brands.
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  So I started a blog because I was like, it's something I can be in control of.
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  Like if music happens, it happens. if it doesn't i'm gonna look for
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  like other jobs and so you were even getting gifted
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  clothes from brands before you even had really a big
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  social media presence yeah because i did
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  have not like a huge presence but i did i've
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  always had since the myspace days like a
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  like a decent following so i'm in
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  the myspace era i was like on there
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  as a musician right and then with my clothing brand and I
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  ended up getting on the front page of MySpace and I
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  was like oh my god I've I've made it like this is
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  it I'm gonna be like this huge superstar right and then I was in this group
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  well I think the first time actually it happened it was in this group I was
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  in it was the binary kids it was like blink and you'll miss it but at the time
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  we like blew up overnight we were all over everybody's MySpace Dazed and Confused
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  magazine had us as their song on their MySpace and I was like,
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  I like, yeah, I was actually like, what the fuck? Like, am I,
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  am I like successful now?
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  And it was just mad. It was such a mad time. And then that kind of didn't work
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  out for various reasons.
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  And then I came to London and my solo stuff, like again, kind of blew up quickly
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  because I already had that, you know, that presence, I suppose.
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  And again, I was on the front page of MySpace, this big feature on me.
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  And I was like, shit, like this is happening. happening and then
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  myspace died and i was
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  like what the fuck man i spent all
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  this time watching all of like the emo queens in america
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  like audrey kitching do you remember her yeah
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  yeah like all these people like my idols you
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  know and then i was like oh my god i finally made it and then tumblr came
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  around and so i just took my like myspace following onto tumblr
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  and i was quite big on tumblr i would
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  like i don't think i had like a huge following but loads of
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  my pictures and and like posts would
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  go viral quite a lot so like people knew my face and
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  knew who I was and I took that to my blog and then I took that
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  to Instagram and you know it's not like huge but I've always had like a
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  following as such and a lot of
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  those people have followed me since my music days and
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  they tell me quite often that's amazing yeah it's
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  cute so yeah basically I had moved to
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  London I'd done this music course I'd started a
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  blog the blog blew up so basically I started on
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  my own and then I had met a bunch of girls who were like like-minded
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  and similar to me and I had also got
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  these two like male friends who had this well there's three
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  of them but two of them were my really good friends I just moved to London they
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  were like the only people I knew and they had this super successful blog and
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  they were going to all these cool events and all these cool parties and I met
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  these girls and I was like you know what we can do this like like we can we
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  we can have a successful blog. Like it's not all just for the boys kind of thing.
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  So it was predominantly about like streetwear, sneakers, unisex fashion,
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  but that kind of came off the back of like hardcore and emo and like the MySpace clothing brands.
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  We were all those kids that, you know, like the Johnny Cupcakes fans,
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  you know, like we loved Johnny Cupcakes, for example.
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  And some of my friends were like friends with him. And it was,
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  it was like this whole little London scene that we then created.
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  And I think there were no girls doing it. It was all like, Like,
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  you remember the brand Mishka?
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  Uh i would have to actually google it to see maybe
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  to recognize it i think it's about m-i-s-c-h-k-a and
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  they were really like well known for this like eyeball
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  logo and it was all over caps and hoodies it's
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  like a big eyeball you 100 would know it
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  but basically like again they were kind of like you
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  know myspace emo hoggle kids that create a
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  clothing brand and okay yeah i remember this
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  one I just quickly googled it yeah it's so
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  memorable it's like such of that moment you know
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  you can't forget it exactly like one of
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  my pictures went viral of me wearing that cap all over tumblr you
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  know what I mean it was just like of that scene so yeah
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  we did that we started that and it was my like I was the
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  founder but then I had these like five other friends that did it with
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  me which just helps it to like have content all the time and
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  yeah that just blew up and while I was was doing that I
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  moved into a sublet in like a
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  room do you have those like in Canada like do
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  you know what I mean by a sublet yeah yeah yeah so it
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  was my friend who I knew from uni who had
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  moved to London he was a photographer and he lived with another photographer
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  and so I took over his room was living with this other photographer and then
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  they had a friend that was a makeup artist and she kind of would come and stay
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  with us a lot and we all became super good friends friends and we literally
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  lived in like the center of Shoreditch,
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  which is now extremely expensive.
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  And we had a really big living room. So we would turn it into like a studio
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  and they would help me shoot like stuff for my blog.
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  Like she would do my makeup, he would take the pictures. And then they were
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  like, well, we really need a stylist to work with.
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  Cause like we're working with all these model agencies and you know,
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  they give us a little bit of money.
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  It's not loads, but like we need to work with stylists and
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  you know you get given clothes all the time and you
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  studied design like have you ever thought about being a stylist and I was like
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  yeah it's a really good idea actually you know I was styling myself and I had
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  gotten to understand like what a fashion stylist was through being a musician
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  because you know I'd done photo shoots and there'd been fashion styles and that
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  kind of thing you know you kind of like I became more aware of what it meant,
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  so yeah I just started asking some of the brands if I could like borrow stuff
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  for shoots not just like them gifting me things and it genuinely just went from
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  there like I had this presence that I'd taken from like the literally from my
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  space into like my blog into Instagram.
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  And that blog was like like I got flown to like New York to interview Gigi Hadid
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  about some sneakers you know like just mad amazing yeah mad shit and that presence
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  you know kind of gave me some credibility I suppose and so I got some quite
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  good well some pretty big like styling jobs to begin with.
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  And because I had known all these people in the music industry,
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  the people who were managing me as a musician managed, they managed Rita Vora
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  and some really big people.
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  And so they started to be like, oh, Kitty Styles now.
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  Well, we have this, like this big musician that needs a stylist.
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  So I kind of, it all just, it's like this weird fucking story.
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  But in the end, it all makes sense. If that, if you get what I mean.
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  Yeah. And did you find that like right away, basically saying like,
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  hey, we're going to do this because you've had the experience and the connections that
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  just it sort of started to snowball and you
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  had that like you know consistency within it
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  yeah definitely I think especially because then
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  so like I've been doing this for 10 years but I've
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  been doing it full-time for like seven I think because I
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  also worked for a fashion PR agency as well
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  for a while it's because you know you just can't go
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  freelance straight away you like have to pay the bills and London's expensive
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  expensive but I left that job because I
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  was being offered I think it was a read it's so weird now I'm thinking
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  about I'm like Rita Rora comes up a lot which is not not
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  you have a lot of ties to her yeah right like
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  I also interviewed her for my blog that's so random I've never thought about
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  this before she's not very emo or rock at all I got asked by Adidas because
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  it was Adidas or Puma anyway she did collaborations it was Adidas and I got
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  put forward I was I was so new I was still still working in this fashion PR agency.
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  And I got put forward as a possible stylist is what happens that they put forward
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  like five stylists, you know, and then it ends up being one of them to the client.
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  And I was offered so much money for that job. And I was like,
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  yeah, I need to go freelance because this was being paid fuck all,
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  you know, I was being paid such a crap wage in my, in my agency job.
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  So yeah, it did just happen really organically. And I think all those,
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  all those years of doing all that you know all those random
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  things they just kind of came to light and I
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  think all the the experience of being a musician
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  and even putting on shows for like other artists like all
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  of that stuff makes me better at what I do now like
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  understanding what's important for an artist because I've been one and I've
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  worked with them is why I work with so many musicians because I I when I was
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  working in a PR agency and I start and I started my blog and I I started styling
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  there was another stylist who was really big at the time she's now a DJ,
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  but she was working at this big magazine and
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  she was like hey we need more stylists like come you
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  know can you do some some editorials for the magazine
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  I was like yeah that sounds great and the first
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  job I did I was some celebrity and like they gave me one and then they were
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  like oh she did that like she made them really comfortable she did that really
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  well they gave me another other and then they gave me another and in like one
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  issue I had styled like five shoots you know and they just continued until like
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  I got a position at the magazine.
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  And it was because they kept saying, like, you work really well with talent.
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  You always make them feel like comfortable and happy.
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  And I genuinely think that's because I know what it feels like,
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  you know, for to be one and for people to like have an opinion and,
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  you know, affect like how you look and what you're doing and stuff.
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  Like, I want to make sure that when I go and do these shoots,
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  it's to just elevate what they want.
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  Not unless they're literally clueless and they're like, hey,
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  I don't know what to wear.
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  I know what I'm doing. Please help. then like cool
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  I'll come in and be like listen I think this would be good I think this would be
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  good but when it's people that like they
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  have a style they just need it to be elevated or they just need
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  it to be you know dramatized for like
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  a music video or an editorial to make it just that bit more exciting I will
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  always come in and my first point of call is to make them feel comfortable and
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  ask them what do you like what do you hate you know and I feel like it's so
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  much easier to I feel like it's a lot easier to work with people when you're sort of that one,
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  you understand where they're coming from.
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  And you're sort of like a part of that scene. So they are like, okay, she gets it.
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  And two, you're making them feel comfortable, right? Like, I feel like that
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  just so it makes things a lot easier to work with when someone's like that.
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  Exactly. It's really interesting, because, you know, to begin with,
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  I was working mostly with of like British talent right and a
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  lot of those people like maybe they'd had bad experiences
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  before with stylists that were trying to give
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  just their own style to them if that makes sense as
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  opposed to like trying to elevate the artist style and that was like very clear
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  and when we start working together I think they just realized straight away
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  because I kind of go in a bit like a therapist I'm like right so how are you
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  feeling like what's going on like okay what kind of like like,
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  because this will be like a week or two weeks before,
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  you know, sometimes more if I get lucky,
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  I'm able to speak to them and say like, okay, like what kind of stuff do you, hey, what do you love?
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  And I'd be like, what music do you listen to that inspires, you know,
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  like what movies do you like?
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  Whose style do you look up to and think? You get to actually know who they are.
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  Exactly. And other stylists will just take a look at them and kind of be like
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  sequins are popular right now.
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  How about we do that? You know, that's generally what I get told by artists
• 20:34
  that has happened with other stylists and I'm like that's I mean I can tell
• 20:37
  you what's cool and like I will input you know my opinions but like I'm not here to like.
• 20:43
  Force you into wearing stuff that isn't you you know that's that's that's
• 20:46
  not going to be comfortable or look cool but then
• 20:49
  that was yeah a lot predominantly with with
• 20:52
  bridge shots and then i started to work with you know
• 20:55
  bigger talent and sometimes that would be american talent in
• 20:58
  fact it's mostly i don't think i've worked when you're canadian interestingly but
• 21:01
  yeah into the canadian market i
• 21:05
  know you know artists come to the uk
• 21:07
  and they're doing photo shoots and and they need stylist
• 21:10
  so you know that started to to happen and I
• 21:13
  just remember sadly he's not here anymore but we're with
• 21:16
  this rapper who was a big deal at the time and he was
• 21:20
  like he was kind of a big deal on the internet you know like one of those like
• 21:24
  he yeah he made music but like he just looked cool on the internet he had like
• 21:29
  billions of followers right face tattoos that kind of vibe but he was very cool
• 21:33
  and and actually very very sweet and very nice but I do you mind saying who that is or.
• 21:40
  Jay stash it's a bit controversial because he's not here anymore
• 21:43
  and okay yeah it's not controversial it's
• 21:46
  just yeah i he i think
• 21:49
  he was you know a bit of a troubled dude although he
• 21:52
  was very nice every time i worked with him i don't know
• 21:55
  what was going on in his personal life and yeah the way he
• 21:58
  went was a little bit grim and it was him and
• 22:01
  his girlfriend basically it's all a bit grim yeah but that being said when i
• 22:06
  worked with him he was very very nice and i think people always looked to him
• 22:08
  like he was seen as being so cool in London I think because he was from LA and
• 22:14
  you know but at the same time like a little I think people were a little bit terrified of him.
• 22:19
  But when I worked with him he was lovely but I walked in the room and I was
• 22:23
  working with a photographer who's now fucking huge mad mad but yeah he is a
• 22:28
  very good photographer and he was so keen he always wanted to get like certain
• 22:31
  people he didn't care if we were shooting for for something,
• 22:34
  I always care if I'm shooting for something like either I want to be being paid
• 22:38
  because like it's, you know, or it's like going into like a sick magazine. Um.
• 22:42
  And I was working at Notion magazine and so he
• 22:45
  had approached me and said like I want to I want to shoot Jay Stash it'd
• 22:48
  be so great if you can bring some clothes and I was really
• 22:51
  really known for like sneakers and streetwear at that point like
• 22:54
  like no one else is really known for that kind of thing and
• 22:57
  and he's a rapper so it just makes sense I was like yes we
• 23:00
  I'll propose it to like my editor and
• 23:04
  and it happened and I just made sure that I got him
• 23:06
  the most insane stuff like like really high-end streetwear
• 23:10
  basically and i got him a bunch of vape stuff and at that
• 23:13
  point it sounds silly now but like there weren't that many people
• 23:16
  doing that in the uk really and he walked in and
• 23:19
  i could just tell i could just he's like i do not trust
• 23:21
  fucking anyone and what's this little white girl doing here do you know
• 23:24
  what i mean like she's gonna try and put clothes on me so i.
• 23:27
  Just he like i think i was wearing vape and this is
• 23:30
  lame but this is the way that exactly what you
• 23:32
  were just saying like people can tell you're part
• 23:35
  of a scene and then it makes them feel feel comfortable and yeah he saw
• 23:38
  that i was wearing babe and then i went through the rail and i was like oh so
• 23:41
  i actually worked on this collaboration with babe like i did the
• 23:43
  pr for it like before i left an agency and
• 23:47
  now i style full time but like i managed to get this for you
• 23:49
  and blah blah blah and he was looking through and he said yeah oh did you
• 23:52
  you and then like i actually modeled for a bait campaign and i was
• 23:55
  like oh i was actually in this campaign as well i know
• 23:58
  you were in a bait campaign and he's like okay yeah
• 24:01
  you're legit and like he just you know literally was like yeah do whatever you
• 24:05
  want and and it just opens up after that right exactly that credibility which
• 24:11
  is is kind of lame like i have to you know i mean like push push that and be
• 24:16
  like oh i actually know what i'm doing yeah i actually know what you like you know.
• 24:22
  But at the same time, you know, I think with having the credibility that you
• 24:27
  do and doing it for quite a while that, you know, and being a part,
• 24:31
  actually a part of the scene, I'm sure it's pretty easy for you to sort of prove that credibility.
• 24:37
  Yeah. Yeah. Do you, do you have any, who are like some of the biggest people
• 24:40
  that you've worked with or styled?
• 24:42
  Well, I was just going to say, cause there's like a similar story with Full Out Boy.
• 24:46
  Yeah i saw your youtube channel actually that you you styled them for the karang awards in 2022.
• 24:53
  Yeah and brian from weezer oh sweet
• 24:57
  yeah they're on the same management and for
• 25:00
  some reason it was only brian that wanted to come he was like i
• 25:02
  don't know why the other boys don't want to come like i don't
• 25:05
  know we got an award like i get to go up on stage it's weezer
• 25:08
  they were just like we're just gonna wear our jeans and a t-shirt yeah whereas
• 25:11
  brian i don't know if you know but he is so like
• 25:15
  particular about his style i can
• 25:18
  see that he is he is and it's really funny because
• 25:21
  honestly this this is the end of my life and this is a shame this is i was thinking
• 25:25
  about this when i was saying like about american artists because like they're
• 25:29
  huge right and their management's kind of going oh shit we're going here we
• 25:32
  probably need some clothes you know what i mean like at the last minute i had
• 25:35
  just arrived in the uk from like a press trip right i was so tired i got this text Like in 48 hours,
• 25:41
  like, can you style full up wearing Weezer?
• 25:44
  And I was just like, yeah, whatever the fuck this takes, like,
• 25:48
  I will make this happen. Like, are you kidding me?
• 25:52
  But yeah, I literally had like, not even 48 hours, like run around the whole
• 25:56
  of London trying to get clothes for them. And they're all such different people.
• 25:59
  And the thing is, is that I'm sure that being from America, and especially being
• 26:04
  in like places like LA and New York and having to work in magazines and whatever,
• 26:07
  they probably work with so many stylists that don't even fucking know,
• 26:10
  like, like, they obviously know who Weezer and Fall Out Boy are,
• 26:13
  but they're not like emo kids. Do you know what I mean?
• 26:15
  Yeah, you know, you never know. Some of them might not know who Weezer or Fall
• 26:19
  Out Boy are. True. Exactly.
• 26:21
  It's so true. And I think that that is the vibe because the way that like,
• 26:25
  like I got them in all individually, we basically had a big room in the hotel
• 26:30
  that they were staying at.
• 26:31
  And me and my assistant just ran around. We got so much stuff for them.
• 26:34
  It was like, you know, they walked into a shop basically.
• 26:37
  And that's still probably not even enough because there's like five people and
• 26:43
  then they've got to go around and look at what they hate and what they like,
• 26:45
  you know, it wasn't enough time, but at the same time, I still had a lot of stuff.
• 26:50
  And as they came in one by one, like it's surprising
• 26:53
  how different they all were i mean some of
• 26:56
  them you know they basically most of them weren't very confident they're
• 26:59
  all quite shy whereas like brian was the opposite
• 27:01
  i was like hey i got this i can't
• 27:04
  remember what it was i think it's maybe like a western style shirt i was like i saw you
• 27:07
  wear this this kind of like similar shirt before and i
• 27:10
  thought it looked really good on you and i saw this in the showroom so i picked it up
• 27:12
  and he's like yeah it's already my style and i was like but this one
• 27:15
  time and then i pointed out like where he wore it like what show
• 27:18
  whatever and i thought he's like oh that was some stylist that just didn't get
• 27:21
  it no he was like oh yeah i know what
• 27:23
  you're talking about yeah that was a pretty nice look and i was like i know
• 27:26
  that you're not a cowboy i was like i was actually like it was so funny that
• 27:31
  he just like instantly was like it's already my and i was like i know like i'm
• 27:36
  a massive fan and i didn't want to say that and be like i am a massive fan but
• 27:41
  like i'm also like no way i know your style.
• 27:44
  Here's all this other stuff that i got you know what i mean that's like really
• 27:46
  typical your style but I was like you're going to an award ceremony this
• 27:50
  looks like an amazing shirt and I saw you wear one and look
• 27:53
  really good before and when I pointed out that like I knew what you know where
• 27:57
  he wore it and what it's for he's like okay yeah he starts talking about churches
• 28:00
  which is this really expensive shoe brand and I I had literally like tried to
• 28:06
  get any information out of their management like put me in contact with whoever
• 28:09
  you can to just tell me the brands the boys love love things they hate.
• 28:12
  Like I know quite a lot because I'm a fan, but like you can't know everything.
• 28:17
  And I'd got minimal information, you know, but I had gone above and beyond and
• 28:22
  I was like, no, I'm really pissed that I didn't know because I could have got you those shoes.
• 28:26
  But then I had got him all these other shoes and he, he liked them anyway.
• 28:29
  And like he ended up hit him out of anyone. He was like the most cooperative. He was funny.
• 28:33
  And at first I thought he was going to be difficult, but then he was just funny,
• 28:37
  you know, like just like a joker. yeah I can see that but do you think that
• 28:42
  it was he was that way with you sort of because he.
• 28:47
  Like understood where you were coming from and that
• 28:50
  you sort of were a fan and you what you were talking about i think
• 28:53
  in the end yeah like it's a really
• 28:56
  hard balance of me trying to be like no like i i really like
• 28:59
  you bad and like i'm like not trying to
• 29:02
  say hey no i'm a massive fan so i don't think i said hey no
• 29:05
  i'm a massive fan but he was talking about an album cover with
• 29:08
  one of the other boys and and then they're
• 29:10
  like trying to tell me because i think i was getting him to to try something on
• 29:13
  he's like oh it's like blah blah blah and i was like yeah i
• 29:16
  know you know like yeah i i
• 29:19
  i know your album covers look like you know and you're just like he's like all
• 29:23
  right and it it was really funny because oh my god my brain is the worst i'm
• 29:28
  dyslexic and i have this rapid name recall thing it just doesn't work a drama
• 29:32
  a fallout boy andy hurley andy that's it andy is is vegan.
• 29:38
  And, you know, all these little things like, Hey, I already knew stuff,
• 29:41
  but like, I, I made sure that I like went above and beyond.
• 29:44
  And if the management weren't giving me the information, I was finding it out for myself, you know?
• 29:49
  So I tried to look up stuff that like, he usually, you know,
• 29:53
  brands that he likes that are vegan. And I reached out to like Dr.
• 29:56
  Martens and specifically got him vegan vans and sorry, vegan Dr.
• 29:59
  Martens. And I got him some vegan vans and like all different things. And he,
• 30:03
  you could tell he walked in wearing like a death metal
• 30:06
  t-shirt and some shorts and some
• 30:09
  vans like that's just him that's how he dresses which is how I
• 30:12
  dress a lot of the time and I just wish that like because he was a bit like
• 30:16
  oh I don't know I'll have a look but I think I just want to wear what I'm wearing
• 30:19
  and I was like that's cool like you know as long as you're happy and comfortable
• 30:23
  with it like you do you but I had this stuff and you you like you're gifted
• 30:27
  it if you want to take it like these are some vegan Dr.
• 30:30
  Martin you know he's like oh I don't know I don't know I don't know if I wear
• 30:33
  them you know I got him some vegan and trainers from some other brands and stuff.
• 30:36
  And it was annoying for me because I could tell that he wasn't.
• 30:40
  He didn't know that like i actually
• 30:43
  listened to like hardcore and metal and i'm
• 30:47
  an emo fan you know what i mean and i think he
• 30:50
  was just very shy he is a
• 30:52
  very shy guy yeah so it was interesting and then he went on a podcast actually
• 30:57
  and i was mentioned on it like oh really yeah and like not by him by the the
• 31:04
  guy in the podcast so i saw you like you know on my on on kitty Katie Cowell's
• 31:09
  like social media or whatever. Like I saw that she was doing some styling stuff
• 31:11
  of you and he was like, yeah.
• 31:12
  And then he was going on about like the death metal t-shirt that he was wearing.
• 31:15
  And I was thinking fucking out. It's so annoying because if management said,
• 31:18
  Hey, he'd really like just some more of like this band's merge or like, you know what I mean?
• 31:23
  Or like some vintage horror movie t-shirts. I'm like, I'm your girl.
• 31:27
  Like, just tell me what you want. But they had come to me and said,
• 31:30
  they need red carpet looks, you know, they need jackets, they need shirts.
• 31:34
  You know what I mean? And that's not what he ended up wanting.
• 31:36
  No, exactly. And like, Like, if I can just communicate with you,
• 31:40
  because me and Brian ended up being like, I have his number.
• 31:42
  Like, he just texts me and he wanted something for, I still to this day don't
• 31:47
  actually know what for. He's a strange but lovely man.
• 31:50
  He was like, where can I get a 1920s, like, costume from?
• 31:55
  And I was like, I can point you the direction of some of my costume houses.
• 32:00
  I don't really, you know, like, like, I can do that.
• 32:02
  But like, that's not my usual job. But like, I know. Like March,
• 32:05
  it wasn't for like a Halloween party or anything.
• 32:07
  Thing like this is literally not for halloween and
• 32:10
  it was really specific really specific what he wanted so
• 32:13
  i put in him some directions in some place or whatever and then he texts me
• 32:16
  like and sends me a picture of him wearing this bizarre outfit and i was like
• 32:19
  what is it for and i was so annoyed because i couldn't go to the tour they uh
• 32:24
  this is probably i'm still heartbroken over this and like please come back and
• 32:27
  make this opportunity happen again but they were doing the tour with green day
• 32:31
  it was flat boy green day who else was it.
• 32:35
  Super mega tour you know what i mean yes yeah
• 32:38
  yeah honestly that was a that was a huge one it
• 32:41
  was fall boy green day i'm trying to think because that was back in
• 32:44
  20 20 2022 we had
• 32:47
  it but it was also was it before that and
• 32:50
  then it got delayed i think it was before the pandemic for sure
• 32:53
  at least with here and then yeah i think it got
• 32:55
  delayed and then maybe it was just like the north america
• 32:58
  side was before the pandemic and then after they pan
• 33:01
  they postponed the rest for afterwards because i think it was like 2018 or 2019
• 33:07
  it would have been around 2019 actually that it was in north america or at least
• 33:12
  they first started promoting it yeah yeah that's right and i was like yeah oh
• 33:17
  my god i definitely want to go to this tour and then all of that happened,
• 33:20
  and then they come over and basically they're here because they were going on
• 33:23
  that tour and i had bought tickets for outbreak do you know what that is the festival in the uk.
• 33:28
  I feel like i've heard of that one see there's a there's just
• 33:30
  so many amazing festivals that happen in like the uk
• 33:33
  and australia and i look at those lineups and i'm like oh
• 33:36
  i can't go to this i get mad i'm just like
• 33:39
  swipe literally i feel you i
• 33:42
  feel australia is insane because because i work with ventura curry
• 33:45
  and they seem to go there all the time and the tours i'm always like why don't
• 33:49
  you need me on tour please take me like you'd look
• 33:51
  so much better if i was there i can i can steam things you
• 33:54
  know like just bring me to australia please
• 33:57
  it costs so much more to to just take me so i get it
• 34:00
  i get it they're still very they're so even though they're a massive band
• 34:03
  they're like really diy you know so everything is
• 34:06
  like done by them they don't have a massive label you
• 34:09
  know what i mean like so but yeah and do they have like andrew
• 34:12
  shikari i wanted to ask you about them being from the uk like were they sort
• 34:17
  of like a really really big band or are they a really really big band that's
• 34:21
  in the uk like multiple albums sort of like everybody know just because they
• 34:25
  had their like it felt like in canada they almost had like a flash in the pan type moment.
• 34:31
  With the story you're not a winner and you know
• 34:34
  every single band was sort of covering that song when you'd
• 34:37
  go to a local show and and all of that but then
• 34:40
  i haven't really heard much from shikari besides that
• 34:43
  song from back then yeah i mean
• 34:47
  definitely that's their biggest thing and if you like so
• 34:50
  basically if you talk to like non-alternative people they know that song do
• 34:54
  you know what i mean yeah like any any anybody knows when shikari off for that
• 34:59
  album and that song and the myspace era because everyone was like a little bit
• 35:03
  of an emo even though they weren't really you know what i mean like even the
• 35:07
  non-emos were kind of emotes back then.
• 35:09
  And then yeah it's pretty interesting because they've had they've they've gotten
• 35:13
  bigger and bigger they've maintained this huge heavily dedicated fan base and
• 35:18
  they play massive tours You know, like they play Ali Ali Pali,
• 35:21
  Alexandra Palace, which is like a big venue here.
• 35:25
  That kind of thing you know like they'll sell out like a headline show there but then this last year,
• 35:31
  they kind of had like they went.
• 35:33
  Mainstream again basically so the same kind of thing of like now so.
• 35:37
  Many people like your mom's your mom's friends know who
• 35:39
  they are again because they had a number one album and they've been on like breakfast
• 35:43
  tv and you know things like that again so it's
• 35:46
  kind of like a bit more mainstream but yeah i mean definitely that is
• 35:49
  like that one album they will forever be known
• 35:52
  for and that song sorry you're not a winner you know
• 35:54
  the the clapping is almost as iconic as
• 35:57
  the friends theme song exactly exactly it
• 36:00
  literally is and that's one of those
• 36:03
  like emo moments isn't it you know what i mean like everybody can resonate
• 36:06
  with it yeah it's really interesting because they
• 36:10
  they are like basically it's
• 36:13
  like a family business and to shikari so they've been
• 36:15
  friends since they were babies most of the boys literally like
• 36:19
  went to schooled together and stuff and then like Raoul's
• 36:22
  dad the singer his dad is like their tour manager like his
• 36:25
  brother now runs like a merch and distribution company
• 36:29
  which is like just down the road from where they live and he
• 36:32
  does all of their records and their merch and sends it all out
• 36:35
  and so like it's amazing because at the peak
• 36:38
  of of sorry not a winner like the peak
• 36:41
  of my space like everybody was obsessed with
• 36:44
  them and every record label wanted to sign them and
• 36:47
  they refused to sign to a big major label went diy
• 36:51
  created their own label and have kept it that way ever since they've had the
• 36:54
  same management the same team ever since like i don't know and it's worked for
• 36:59
  them 100 and like you know the boys one of them lives in london and the rest.
• 37:04
  Of them live in some albums which is just down the road like it's not far but
• 37:08
  that's where they're from and like yeah i mean.
• 37:11
  They this is their full-time job they've not done anything else they they have
• 37:15
  houses you know it's It's amazing.
• 37:18
  Yeah, exactly. It's always incredible when you're able to make music from your
• 37:23
  art, make money from your art and make a living off of it,
• 37:26
  especially as a band that's doing it sort of in that DIY way without going the major label route,
• 37:34
  right? Like that's always an impressive feat.
• 37:36
  Totally. I mean, they tour constantly, you know, and so I think it does make
• 37:41
  it, I think it probably makes it harder, but like only in respect of if you
• 37:46
  don't want to work that hard. But do you get what I mean? Yeah.
• 37:49
  Do you have any other like favorite bands from the UK?
• 37:53
  Favorite bands? Yeah, like so many. I don't know. I guess UK.
• 37:58
  Okay. This is now I'm like thinking through because actually loads of my favorite
• 38:03
  bands are American. Actually, some of them are Canadian.
• 38:06
  One of my favorite bands and my favorite people as well are Cancer Bats. Yes.
• 38:11
  Oh, yeah, Cancer Bats. They were huge back then as well. And they're, they're awesome.
• 38:17
  Yeah, I've seen them quite a few times back in the day when they were sort of
• 38:21
  at their, at their peak as well.
• 38:22
  Wow yeah i mean i like i know i've
• 38:26
  seen them so many times i saw them back then and then i
• 38:28
  see them all the time i see cancer bats at least once a year now
• 38:32
  like and they're still so much fun but they're again a
• 38:35
  really good example of like a diy band like they haven't gone to
• 38:38
  a major label they tour constantly because like it's their
• 38:40
  full-time job and yeah big british
• 38:44
  bands so because i went to union wales i
• 38:47
  lived there for six years i love south wales and there's
• 38:50
  a band called kids and glass houses do you know them no oh
• 38:54
  my god you will love them you literally have to listen to them they were
• 38:57
  huge in the myspace days unfortunately there was
• 39:00
  a very very big band that we don't talk about from wales do
• 39:03
  you know what i'm saying that the lead singer is
• 39:06
  now in prison that's not lost profits is it
• 39:08
  yeah oh yeah i i don't
• 39:11
  i didn't know where they were but when you say lead singer
• 39:15
  in prison i'm just like oh okay where who's the worst
• 39:18
  person in the the world that I can possibly think of
• 39:21
  that fronted a band and is in prison now and just immediately
• 39:24
  go to the worst of the worst well that's
• 39:29
  who I meant so you know you weren't far off unfortunately that was the scene
• 39:34
  that I you know I really kind of like I say grew up in I was a young adult you
• 39:38
  know what I mean but like that shaped my my adulthood and fortunately they were
• 39:42
  the leaders of it but like that scene was full of so many incredible bands and.
• 39:46
  Unfortunately when When all of that happened.
• 39:48
  A lot of them broke up. So there was a band called The Blackout.
• 39:51
  Have you heard of The Blackout? No, I haven't heard them either.
• 39:53
  No, they're more screamo.
• 39:55
  They're like a proper screamo band. But they were really big,
• 39:58
  as were Kids in Glass Houses. They were both, well, Kids in Glass Houses were on a major label.
• 40:02
  I can't remember if The Blackout were, but they were big touring bands.
• 40:05
  And they've just both come back together. So they played UK festivals in the summer, just gone back.
• 40:11
  And that's so exciting because that is, you know, like you'll have Canadian
• 40:15
  bands that will be the same way.
• 40:16
  It's like the same time as like loving the early Fall Out Boy albums,
• 40:19
  you are also listening to like the local big bands. And like,
• 40:22
  that's what they are for me.
• 40:24
  So seeing them, like they did like a head, Kids in Glass Houses did a headline
• 40:28
  show in London a few months ago.
• 40:31
  And one of the opening acts were their friends who are my friends who are in
• 40:34
  a new like kind of goth band.
• 40:36
  And that's just so nice to see. i really
• 40:39
  really love seeing like my friends who we all used to play really
• 40:42
  like shitty shows together you know what i mean like and you
• 40:45
  know a lot of them went on to do really big stuff but like a lot of that
• 40:48
  just kind of disappeared when all of that happened in
• 40:51
  wales because it was such a small scene it just ruined it and now
• 40:54
  it's become amazing again and like it's so sick to
• 40:57
  see them all doing so well so i love kids in glass houses have
• 41:01
  you ever heard of going back to the canadian bands have
• 41:04
  you ever heard of the flatliners because i feel like they play a lot of shows
• 41:07
  in the uk k yeah you know what i have heard of them but
• 41:09
  i have i've never really gotten into them are they a little bit punk
• 41:12
  or like what's their sound they're more punk yeah
• 41:15
  they're more punk so they kind of went and they were they were like very like
• 41:20
  heavy skate punk when they started out and they slowly started to progress and
• 41:25
  and they had a few albums in the middle there where they were a little bit more
• 41:27
  like just rock and then they've with their last album they came out to be.
• 41:33
  Did they put out another punk record they were on
• 41:36
  fat rec for a while oh yes and they're
• 41:39
  from toronto like i used to go and buy concert tickets off of the different
• 41:42
  guys from the band that worked at sunrise records in the mall near my house
• 41:46
  so i would go to the mall and have to like buy concert tickets from the actual
• 41:50
  record store and they'd print they had like a little ticket master kiosk they'd
• 41:54
  print off the tickets and be like this is the guy from the flatliners.
• 41:59
  And then and then i would go to their shows and and they're like
• 42:02
  album release parties and stuff like that as as a kid
• 42:04
  and and i feel like every single time i see them on tour
• 42:07
  it's always in the uk so i'm like i just wonder how big they are in the uk i
• 42:11
  think they are pretty big i know you're right they're often on like festival
• 42:15
  lineups and and on like tour support slots and that kind of thing or doing their
• 42:20
  own tours but for some reason i never really got into them i feel like i must
• 42:23
  Must have like seen them support a band once,
• 42:26
  you know, because I got really into punk when I was a kid, like a teenager.
• 42:31
  And like I did the whole like Nirvana to punk kind of thing.
• 42:35
  And then like at the same time was listening to like pop punk,
• 42:37
  Blink-182 and New Metal.
• 42:40
  And that got me into hardcore and, you know, emo. I kind of had the same pipeline as you.
• 42:45
  It was just kind of like into it like started out when I was a little kid as
• 42:48
  like Avril Levine and then into like the...
• 42:52
  Into metallica into the nirvana into the sex pistols
• 42:56
  into you know and then that whole pipe into like the
• 42:58
  blink 182s and then into like the emo and the hardcore stuff
• 43:01
  yeah yeah exactly i feel like most millennials have that
• 43:04
  kind of similar timeline it's interesting like new
• 43:08
  metal kind of like i don't know it's very early
• 43:11
  on like it was like nirvana to like new metal and at
• 43:14
  the same time then i was listening to like blink like blink 182 but also
• 43:17
  sex pistols and then i was trying to like go through the whole
• 43:19
  of the punk era that my my parents grew up at you know so
• 43:22
  it's yeah there's also a weird pipeline i
• 43:25
  feel like if you were really into like the new metal stuff it was easier to
• 43:28
  get into the sort of like more post-hardcore type stuff yeah i i know in the
• 43:33
  beginning i was a little bit hesitant because i was like you know i like the
• 43:36
  screaming but i like the new metal scream right like the aggressive yeah the
• 43:40
  aggressive sort of screaming whereas Whereas like the emo and post-hardcore
• 43:44
  scream, it just felt different.
• 43:48
  And then, but like, there's still that pipeline from the heavier new metal into
• 43:54
  sort of more of the heavier emo into the post-hardcore type stuff. Yeah, totally.
• 43:59
  Yeah. I feel like it all lends itself so easily to like your ear.
• 44:04
  If you like alternative music, I think that the people that sit more on the
• 44:08
  indie end of that, if that makes sense, and they were never really new metal
• 44:11
  kids. They were more like maybe like punk kids that then got into indie.
• 44:14
  That's how it seems to sit with me.
• 44:16
  And I definitely liked some indie bands, but like I wasn't like an indie kid, you know?
• 44:22
  Yeah. Like it filters in, but I was a new metal kid and that's going to lend
• 44:26
  itself more to me listening to like heavier stuff like hardcore and metal.
• 44:30
  And then it's also going to lend itself to me listening to like hip hop and
• 44:33
  pop punk because it just blends all of them together. So, yeah.
• 44:36
  It's weird how well hip hop kind of goes within the...
• 44:41
  Like goes with the emo side of things as well yeah
• 44:44
  you know there's just that like angsty side of
• 44:47
  hip-hop that relates to the like punk
• 44:50
  pop punk and emo side of me
• 44:53
  as well like just it's just the angsty feeling in the
• 44:55
  music yeah exactly i always use this description
• 44:59
  which is the og karang like title or
• 45:03
  like headline you say karang magazine and it was like music
• 45:06
  with attitude underneath it and that's that's
• 45:09
  my genre like whatever that means yeah do you know
• 45:12
  what i mean even if it's an indie band that has that attitude it's
• 45:15
  like you know but like the pop that's sort of like my my thing too it's because
• 45:20
  i'll listen to so many different genres it's like there's not just one genre
• 45:24
  that's that's good there's good music is good music right yeah but i like i
• 45:29
  like that attitude thing because for me i always just kind of figured it was
• 45:33
  like Like, I like the angsty music.
• 45:35
  Like, I want something with a little bit of, like, angst or oomph in it. Yeah. Yeah, totally.
• 45:40
  I think I have this weird thing where I'm either, I need to listen to,
• 45:43
  like, if I'm in, like, a weird mood, maybe, like, a bad mood, you know.
• 45:47
  I even need to listen to, like, heavy music.
• 45:50
  Or I need, like, classical. It's one or the other, and I'm so in between.
• 45:54
  I don't want whiny emo. Do you know what I mean? Like, if I'm,
• 45:57
  like, angry, it's, like, I even need to be calmed down with some really quiet Mozart.
• 46:00
  Like, chilled the fuck out. or it
• 46:03
  needs to be like heavy as fuck metal like it's either meditation or just straight
• 46:09
  up noise exactly yeah yeah there's no in between i need to be like a slightly
• 46:14
  either a really sad or really happy mood to listen to like emo do you know what
• 46:19
  i mean like like screamo fills that like angry mood like.
• 46:24
  I don't know screamer was like my favorite genre for
• 46:27
  quite a while in the kind of myspace era and
• 46:30
  then i'd like bits of emo you know but like it all
• 46:33
  kind of like felt your different moods like
• 46:36
  screamer was there when you just were fucking angry at
• 46:39
  the world and then emo was there
• 46:41
  when you broke up with somebody and you know you're just
• 46:47
  sad the myspace breakup when someone took took you
• 46:49
  out of the top eight don't you want to know the most this
• 46:52
  is the most greebo emi story of my life okay
• 46:55
  this was like 2006 i think
• 46:59
  download festival my first ever download festival i
• 47:02
  think i was 18 and i went to
• 47:05
  i went there with my with my friends they were boys like all
• 47:08
  the girls didn't come we would go to reading and stuff with the girls and
• 47:11
  the boys but only the boys wanted to come to download festival so i
• 47:14
  was there this one we had no signal like internet on your
• 47:17
  your phones wasn't a thing do you know what i mean we're on myspace i had
• 47:20
  i'd literally just met this boy he'd come
• 47:23
  and stayed i can't gone over to hit you know i mean like it was kind of a long
• 47:25
  distance relationship and we'd met through myspace it's so cliche and he was
• 47:31
  such a scene kid and he had got me all over his mind like i was the background
• 47:37
  picture i was the dump for one do you know i mean like and we'd literally been
• 47:40
  dating for like a few weeks it was unreal.
• 47:43
  Anyway i'm there i've got crap signal i get back from download festival i'm
• 47:47
  like oh i haven't had a text or like but like i've had really bad signal like
• 47:50
  i haven't been able to get my text messages,
• 47:53
  i like hear nothing from him i think maybe i tried to text him
• 47:56
  i'm not sure but i logged into myspace and this
• 47:59
  is how i knew i was dumped my picture was gone i
• 48:02
  was not in a top eight his ex-girlfriend was
• 48:05
  oh no the background
• 48:08
  picture and number one and i was like and meanwhile you
• 48:11
  you were going there to meet him for like probably the first time no like
• 48:14
  you're supposed to meet him there no no you met him before no
• 48:17
  yeah yeah yeah we've been dating for like i don't know maybe a
• 48:20
  month or something and we'd met in real life like i'd he i think he
• 48:23
  lived in southampton and where i lived was like maybe an
• 48:26
  hour away do you know what i mean and so like i'd gone to his he'd come to mine
• 48:30
  i had a friend that was a uni near him so it's like we you know we'd met like
• 48:34
  a bunch of times but like i'd gone away to download festival with my friends
• 48:37
  like he wasn't coming and like i I just thought I might get a text message from
• 48:42
  him, you know what I mean? Or a phone call here or there.
• 48:44
  And I didn't. And then I get back and I'm like, well, I don't need to be told
• 48:48
  I'm dumped because I can clearly see that I am dumped.
• 48:51
  Oh man, this is like, I don't know what's worse, the modern ghosting or the MySpace breakup.
• 48:56
  I think it was more humiliating, but it wasn't too bad because like,
• 49:01
  it wasn't like he knew all my friends.
• 49:02
  Do you know what I mean? If that had been someone that was in my friendship
• 49:05
  group and all my friends had seen that,
• 49:07
  I think I would would have been mortified yeah because then
• 49:10
  everybody knows and it's like it's it's public yeah exactly and like it was
• 49:15
  public but like luckily he didn't really know that many of my friends some people
• 49:19
  on the internet probably like noticed you know i mean but it wasn't like a big
• 49:22
  we hadn't been dating that long but that is probably like the fact that it was
• 49:26
  while i was a download festival is like the most greebo story,
• 49:31
  I know. And if only he did it before Download Festival, you could have gone
• 49:34
  there and gotten out all of that frustration throughout the whole day.
• 49:38
  Exactly. I would have been like, okay, I'm young and I'm single and I'm here to thrive. But no.
• 49:45
  You find out after on MySpace.
• 49:50
  MySpace was just a different breed with that type of stuff. oh
• 49:53
  totally it's funny because like when I then went to uni after that and after
• 49:58
  like I don't know maybe a year of being at uni I got into this long-term relationship
• 50:02
  and my boyfriend that I got into a relationship with was like famous like I
• 50:06
  just knew him in real life right so I didn't know this when I first met him
• 50:10
  but I then found out he was like my space famous,
• 50:13
  it was so fun and they had this thing
• 50:16
  oh my god this is so emo so he's from the Welsh
• 50:19
  Valleys and like i say all of our friends were in like the
• 50:22
  music scene so all of our friends that were mutual were in bands
• 50:25
  and that kind of thing and like he was
• 50:27
  like me he was like the male version he wasn't a
• 50:30
  musician but he had a clothing brand and he designed all of the
• 50:33
  merch for like his friends bands so we were like you know okay cool like we're
• 50:37
  similar he was in this thing that was like famous on myspace they were called
• 50:43
  the emo abba boys oh my god that's hilarious hilarious it's so funny this group
• 50:48
  of boys and they're almost like it's kind of like the the,
• 50:53
  youtubers of the myspace era they weren't youtubers but you know what i mean
• 50:56
  like i think they did like i was gonna say it's kind of like dating someone
• 50:59
  that's like a famous youtuber and you don't know that they're a famous youtuber until after.
• 51:03
  Like literally I like started dating him and then I was like,
• 51:06
  oh my God, the girls on the internet hate me. Girls on the internet do hate me.
• 51:10
  Like what the fuck? You're just some little emo kid. They were all jealous and you had no idea.
• 51:14
  Yeah. It was really funny. And then obviously you put us together and like,
• 51:18
  I mean, he had a huge following, but I had somewhat of a following and we both
• 51:21
  had clothing brands and it was, it was, it was honestly like so funny.
• 51:25
  It was so peak MySpace, you know, peak emo.
• 51:29
  I put a TikTok up about it. well i didn't go
• 51:32
  to write a tiktok about my fucking or post one about my
• 51:35
  ex-boyfriend i was talking about my life and people were asking me questions
• 51:39
  and someone was like oh my god like this clothing brand you did and they were
• 51:43
  asking these questions like okay so then i post about it and i'm like i have
• 51:46
  to because my boyfriend's and my ex-boyfriend's in all these pictures and then
• 51:50
  there's all these welsh kids like oh my god i remember you guys oh.
• 51:53
  Oh fucking myspace celebrities it's it's
• 51:57
  hilarious how much people like remember and retain from
• 52:00
  those days i feel like the main person.
• 52:04
  That i remember from back then because well he
• 52:06
  was just so huge he still is now but jeffree star was
• 52:09
  like the main like that was like you know
• 52:12
  i still have that vivid picture of him like
• 52:15
  eating the fruit loops off of the floor oh jeffree
• 52:21
  jeffree star and kat von d
• 52:24
  yes and he's really sad because
• 52:27
  like i loved them i literally like looked
• 52:30
  up look up to jeffree star but you know what i mean like in a
• 52:33
  way in a way i hope that there's nobody really
• 52:36
  looking up to jeffree star not anymore i mean there
• 52:39
  is isn't there but like now i i i
• 52:42
  thought because when i like i like became like
• 52:45
  a i don't know content creator let's say that
• 52:48
  right i i got approached by kvd which
• 52:51
  was at that point still kat von d's brand and i
• 52:54
  at this point she hadn't all this stuff hadn't come out about her and
• 52:57
  I was like oh my god this is amazing like I
• 53:00
  followed her my whole like I'm quite heavily tattooed you
• 53:03
  know what I mean and like I watched her on tv when I was a kid I just
• 53:06
  I loved her totally and I started working with the brand and it was vegan and
• 53:11
  I'm vegan I was like oh this is so perfect and then it was like oh she is an
• 53:15
  arsehole basically you know like all this stuff came and what's what's new do
• 53:19
  you know what I mean I didn't and all this stuff came out about jeffree star
• 53:22
  and i was just like all the myspace kids and.
• 53:25
  Audrey kitching is like i mean i think she's
• 53:28
  probably the the best out of all of them i think she lost her mind she's
• 53:30
  just like this little hippie girl now bless her which is fine like i feel like
• 53:35
  we should have seen this coming considering you know the things we were saying
• 53:40
  and doing and feeling in the myspace days and the the people that we were making
• 53:46
  famous on the mind During the MySpace days.
• 53:48
  I feel like a lot of us probably should have seen this coming. This is true. But I mean.
• 53:53
  It's still like disappointing.
• 53:56
  It is disappointing. And I think that's why a lot of us probably just don't want to.
• 54:00
  Think about it or like see it coming or
• 54:03
  realize we're just kind of like oh let's just kind of look back
• 54:06
  at that time with rose-tinted glasses totally well
• 54:10
  these kids now being like oh we want to do what is it like 2012
• 54:13
  tumblr like era coming back
• 54:16
  in and i'm like well when we all starved ourselves so that we
• 54:19
  could like you know what i mean i don't i'm
• 54:22
  not sure that that's a healthy like no can we
• 54:25
  not do that even a lot of the 2000s trends
• 54:28
  coming back like yeah we want to look like 2000s emo kids and
• 54:31
  it's like we you are trying
• 54:34
  to look like how we wanted to
• 54:37
  look back then not how we actually did that's
• 54:41
  the truth we all either wanted to look like that or
• 54:44
  we thought we looked like it and it was like it was just like a select few people
• 54:49
  that went famous on myspace that had really good scene hair yeah we all thought
• 54:53
  that we you know had that same hair we wanted that that hair we tried it was
• 54:57
  it was just the modern version of a mullet at the time oh literally.
• 55:03
  Literally and all these kids i'm not being funny i mean
• 55:06
  maybe i'm talking for myself but i know i'm talking for a lot of us i'm
• 55:09
  not saying i'm talking for you but we pretty much all hated ourselves
• 55:12
  you know what i mean like i think that's a fair statement yeah
• 55:15
  and so you want to recreate like okay maybe
• 55:18
  just go to therapy like we are all doing
• 55:21
  now yeah we're all doing it now because because
• 55:24
  things were different back then and it wasn't as
• 55:27
  accepted but yeah we should have done that back then yeah
• 55:30
  and there was a reason why we were the way we were back exactly exactly
• 55:34
  literally i am so glad that i don't have a like terrible myspace chest tattoo
• 55:40
  you know like that was the thing that was oh my god yeah and like don't get
• 55:45
  me wrong i kind of love like quite a few of my friends have those like they
• 55:48
  were they were like seen chest pieces and i'm like i love I love it for what it is.
• 55:53
  Like, I don't hate on you, but I'm also kind of glad I didn't because I would
• 55:55
  have got Hello Kitty, you know.
• 55:58
  I'm like, no, I'm really glad that I don't have that on my chest.
• 56:03
  Everyone had the big font with like two or three words with everything kind
• 56:07
  of like coming up over here. Maybe some nautical stars or something.
• 56:10
  Literally that. So many of my boy mates had that. And then the girls had like fucking like a heart.
• 56:17
  You know what I mean? Or like a hallowed kitty in the middle with stuff coming.
• 56:20
  Oh, my God. Just like the girly version. in like i feel
• 56:23
  like that was where i was really fortunate for my
• 56:26
  parents who they as much
• 56:30
  as i hated them for it at the time in terms of them like no you're
• 56:33
  not allowed to get any piercings or tattoos they eventually let me
• 56:35
  get my eyebrow pierced and they were like well you need to
• 56:38
  make a deal no more or else i would have had like my nose pierced
• 56:41
  i would have had snake but which honestly i still regret not getting
• 56:45
  like lip rings or snake snake bites because i'm like i really wanted them
• 56:47
  back then they were really cool and piercings are piercings you
• 56:50
  can take them out and make you all right yeah but yeah i
• 56:53
  would have had the big spaced out ears and i would
• 56:56
  have been covered in really tacky tattoos so i'm like
• 56:59
  happy that i didn't get tattoos until later on in life where i'm like developed
• 57:03
  my own style a little bit i'm like okay i think these will these will last but
• 57:08
  yeah back then i would have just gotten tattoos to get tattoos and i would have
• 57:12
  gotten every single trendy myspace tattoo oh my god yeah it's so funny the amount
• 57:16
  of friends that like There's always the boys, actually.
• 57:18
  None of the girls have had to get mad cover-ups, you know?
• 57:22
  I think the boys just think, yeah, I want to look hench. I want to look like
• 57:25
  Olly Sykes. Give me a whole body piece and broke my arm down.
• 57:30
  The MySpace chicks are going to love this.
• 57:34
  And now they're going through tattoo removals or cover-ups. Literally. Literally.
• 57:40
  So many of my friends are tattoo artists. They're just like,
• 57:43
  do you know Chris came in for another hand tattoo? to him, I'm like,
• 57:46
  bro, wasn't he getting that laser the other week?
• 57:48
  Yeah, I sent him home. He needs to let that heal. I'm like, oh my god.
• 57:52
  He got like, you know, a girl's name tattooed once, then he got a fucking you
• 57:56
  know, like a swallow and you know, he's just like,
• 58:00
  just just just deal just that's what's on your hand bro like just live yeah
• 58:04
  just just throw up like a trad piece or something like that and you'll be fine
• 58:07
  like you can live with it exactly so funny do you know what i wanted to say
• 58:13
  um when you asked about the british bands i forgot like,
• 58:16
  one of them well actually two of them came to mind gallows which are on this poster behind me,
• 58:21
  which they don't really play shows anymore i don't really know what's going
• 58:24
  on with them but but they were such a great band.
• 58:26
  Did you ever get into Gallows? No, no.
• 58:29
  Okay. Do you know Frank Carter? I'll definitely check them out.
• 58:31
  Do you know who Frank Carter is? No, I know who Frank Turner is. Yeah.
• 58:37
  They're the two, Frank Turner and Frank Carter. In the UK anyway,
• 58:39
  they're both huge, but I'm trying to think of what his other bands have been called.
• 58:43
  He's been in a few, but he's in a band called Frank Carter and the Rattlesnakes
• 58:46
  now, which are really big bands.
• 58:47
  The Gallows were like, they were like hardcore punk,
• 58:52
  punk and they were huge like massive like
• 58:55
  even almost commercially huge you know what i mean and then
• 58:58
  yeah frank is a tattoo artist and a very like he's
• 59:01
  a good a famous tattoo artist you know and he just went
• 59:04
  off and did other projects and stuff and then another band that
• 59:07
  i love which is on here you can see is
• 59:10
  higher power let's remember that i have the i think
• 59:13
  i've seen you do a few tick tocks about them as well yeah have you
• 59:17
  ever listened to them they might be on a
• 59:19
  few of my hardcore playlists my hardcore playlists
• 59:23
  are just more scattered because a lot of the bands are just like i'll
• 59:26
  just kind of like listen and spotify will recommend me
• 59:29
  something or someone will tell me about something and i'll throw it onto a playlist and
• 59:32
  then i just kind of like go along with it while i'm like working
• 59:35
  out or driving or whatever but like not actually
• 59:38
  like hey i have their records you know yeah honestly they're
• 59:42
  incredible like they are just like
• 59:45
  nice boys boys they've been doing this for a long time like proper
• 59:48
  like hardcore kids do you know what i mean just
• 59:51
  like yeah yeah and they're just super talented they sound they sound like a
• 59:57
  mixture of a lot of hardcore bands like elements of like i don't know even like
• 1:00:02
  terror meets h2o meets like youth of today you know like some really old school
• 1:00:07
  hardcore influences in there.
• 1:00:10
  Yeah they they remind me of a lot of like the old hardcore stuff like bands that i listen to you.
• 1:00:15
  I still listen to you, but I listened to you back in the day and they are amazing
• 1:00:19
  live. They just have so much energy and they're so fun.
• 1:00:22
  And they're super DIY. Again, everyone's a tattoo artist. The singer is a tattoo
• 1:00:25
  artist. Very good tattoo artist.
• 1:00:28
  Tattoos and hardcore kind of just go hand in hand. Yeah, makes sense.
• 1:00:31
  Singer in a hardcore band and a tattoo artist. Yeah.
• 1:00:34
  Makes sense. Do you have any favorite up and coming bands?
• 1:00:38
  I mean, I work with, and I don't know, for a lot of people, he will still be
• 1:00:44
  super up and coming. But he's fucking huge on the internet.
• 1:00:46
  But I think as a musician, he's still like up and coming.
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  I work with a guy called no offense who's a
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  pop punk artist and he's a youtuber so
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  like he's huge on youtube huge on every social because
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  of being a youtuber if that makes sense yeah that
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  always helps yeah but he makes really good
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  pop punk music it's super fun it's like politically driven
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  he's a trans kid so like that is
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  where all the political you know kind of like angst
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  comes from basically his stuff is funny and it's
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  just good it's like he's his latest like single sounds
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  like green day and bling 182 and some 41
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  you know it's like those vibes and he's on shit a big record label i work with
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  them what are they called who is he one of the big guys yeah i don't know my
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  brain just likes to not remember words a lot of the time but yeah he's on a
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  big label so like Like he's going to be doing good things.
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  He's touring with Enter Shikari in UK and Europe. Oh, nice. I think just in
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  the UK for like in February, the upcoming tour.
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  So him, if you like pop punk, I think he's on like the latest.
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  He is. He's on like the latest Spotify like alt like pop punk playlists they've been doing.
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  And I styled the pictures that are on the front. Amazing.
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  So him, I'm like really getting into Noah's music.
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  Trying to think of like oh shit what is the band basically my friends in wales
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  have started a new band that's like super goth nightmares that's what they're
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  called well i feel like i've heard of them yeah they may have also popped up on my feed as well,
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  Yes. I was, I was talking about them in a recent TikTok, which was also, maybe that was it too.
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  Yeah. You know, and like, they saw it and were like, Oh my God,
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  this is so funny because the guitarist.
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  Yeah. Yeah. Don't think he's the lead singer.
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  Basically they're my friends. And then like one of their partners who I've only
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  just recently met, but because I don't live in Wales anymore,
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  but like the other people in the band are like old friends of mine.
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  And so they like modeled for my clothing brand back in the day,
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  you know, so this is like i posted some pictures with
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  like one of them in it and then he's like oh my god this is so
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  cute i want to reshare this and they're really good actually
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  they're really really good life they've been the people in that band have
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  been in loads of bands over the years and they've all been like good like more
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  kind of like indie or like kind of post hardcore bands in the past but this
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  is like goth this is like i don't know goth meets post hardcore emo yeah sweet
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  what What advice would you,
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  I guess, give someone that is trying to sort of amplify their style a little
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  bit that is sort of in that punk and emo scene?
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  I mean, I think I've got a lot of opinions because there's this whole thing
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  and like, it's kind of my opinion and it's not.
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  This whole thing about how like, you know, millennial skinny jeans are out, right?
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  And like every fucking emo kid wears skinny jeans, you know,
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  like that's, that is the outfit.
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  It but I must admit like at heart I'm a new metal kid and this genre like the
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  alt scene is so it's full of so many sub genres so like the way you style yourself
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  is going to be leaning towards which genre you like more right,
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  I don't hate skinny jeans. I don't love them. I think it depends how they're worn.
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  So like half of my job work with bands, especially in musicians is like,
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  if they're stuck wearing that same fucking outfit that like we've all worn for
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  years, skinny jeans, a t-shirt and a leather jacket, do you know what I mean?
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  It's fine, but you're not going to stand out. So I say, wear stuff that makes
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  you comfortable and happy.
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  And like, if skinny jeans look good on you and and make you feel confident
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  i'm not telling you not to wear them i think they look great if you wear them
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  with like big like dr mark like chunky dr mark boots or like you know a nice
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  pair of trainers like a nice pair of vans or something please don't wear skinny
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  jeans with like some ugly trainers like some running shoes do you know what
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  i mean that is like my pet peeve however.
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  However if you wear if you're more into like hardcore and new
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  metal like cargo trousers and kind of like
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  baggier jeans i fucking love like baggy baggy jeans
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  and like baggy clothes and baggy looks i'm a
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  new metal kid at heart and like you can wear an ugly trainer
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  under that and it looks kind of cool you know so yeah that
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  that would be my advice don't wear ugly trainers with skinny jeans they
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  are going to look ugly but you can
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  rock them with some baggy jeans and like just lean more towards
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  the genres that you love so if you're like a limb biscuit fan you
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  do not have to to look like fred durst did in 2001 but you
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  know maybe you can throw on some uh camo cargo shorts
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  yeah that is that is a great look
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  camo cargo shorts a nice pair of air max ones or 90s and like a sick like band
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  t-shirt like you a guy especially never looks bad in that but many guys like
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  can look bad in skinny jeans and a skinny t-shirt you know what i mean like
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  it's just not and look for everybody.
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  So just lean more towards like a straight leg, Jean, you know, or like just.
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  Youth large t-shirts died in the myspace era please stop wearing them oh my god yes,
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  i'm so happy that those died as someone that never felt comfortable
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  wearing those why the fuck did they exist like i had a company that sold them
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  don't get me wrong but like i i have turned i i got a girl who's amazing to
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  turn a bunch of my youth large t-shirts into like a dress because i was like
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  either i wear these like a super cropped t-shirt or like I don't know. It's just wrong.
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  I had like a, a youth large polo neck.
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  So it was under oath produce on it. It was just, but then cut it off and put
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  it in a dress and it's great. And I've just, it's just like a patchwork of different
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  band merch. It's brilliant.
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  But yeah. Well, it's awesome that you've been able to rework them. Yeah, exactly.
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  Rework that stuff. Make a, make a patchwork quilt or a jacket or a dress like
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  I did, but don't wear youth large t-shirts unless you are tiny, a tiny human being.
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  I mean, do what the fuck you want, you know, but, but my advice would be,
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  if you want to look good, is just anything with a really
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  skinny ankle i don't like personally unless
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  you are wearing it with like i say like a chunky pair of
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  dr martin's yeah just just proportions are
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  important and you can look fucking great in band merch but just maybe put on
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  some like straight leg or some like cargo trousers you know and that can look
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  fashionable and still emo yeah love it well thank you so much for taking the
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  time to chat with me today i really appreciate it of course thanks having me.
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  Sorry, I go off on several tangents.
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  I love it. They were all great tangents. Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it.
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