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BONUS: Debunking The LIE That Abortion Ban Caused Georgia Woman's Death · The Lila Rose Show

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Hello everybody, welcome back to the Lila Rose podcast.
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It's great to be with you guys in this latest episode of a
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right now today, there's a lot to cover.
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We're going to do a quick roundup of some of the breaking
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news stories that are really taking the Internet by storm
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right now, but that are really important for us to look at
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because of course, abortion is in the news right now in a big
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way. And I want to talk about why
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that is and what's being talked about.
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Also, Ted Cruz and the Democrats are battling over an IVF bill, a
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pair of competing IVF bills right now in Congress.
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So we're going to talk about that as well.
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But I want to start by deep diving the tragic story of Amber
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Thurman. Now, some of you might not have
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heard this name before. This is the first time you're
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hearing Amber's name. But that's because this is a
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brand new story that is broken in just the last few days that
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is being relentlessly pushed by pro abortion media sources and
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even by Vice President Kamala Harris herself right now for
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justification for abortion on demand.
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So we're going to unpack what actually happened in this tragic
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case. Why the media narrative and
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Kamala Harris's narrative on this is an outright lie and why
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the story of what happened to Amber is the reason why we
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actually need abortion to be banned.
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We need to stop the lethal killing of children.
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We need to protect the women that are being preyed upon by
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the abortion industry. So we're going to unpack all of
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that and more. So again, hello.
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Hey, Caleb, the chat starting on here.
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Hello, Brooke, thanks for joining.
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All right, let's go to the Amanda Thurman story.
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I saw this headline and I immediately knew something was
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up because the reality is, since the overturning of Roe V Wade
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over two years ago now, the pro abortion side has been desperate
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to push a narrative that abortion is necessary for women,
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that it's essential for our healthcare, that we need it.
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And then without abortion, women are going to die.
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Of course they don't talk about the 1,000,000 babies that are
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dying from abortion. Every single year in America,
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that's a that's ignored by these media reports, but they zero in
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on these really tragic cases of women who are experiencing
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miscarriage or women who are experiencing maybe a life
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threatening emergency. And then these media groups,
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these very pro abortion ones, not all of them, but several of
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them, many of them are really focused on claiming that it is
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pro-life laws that are putting women at risk.
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This is a flat out lie. We debunked the Kate Cox case on
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the podcast before. We've been debunking that as an
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example, the case from the the state of Texas.
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This was the mother. You might be familiar with her.
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She was pregnant with her third child and discovered that her
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child had trisomy 18. So it was a disorder, genetic
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disorder and because her baby would have potentially life
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threatening disability and, and maybe the baby could have lived.
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I mean, some babies with this condition like Bella Santorum
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live to be, you know, 1617 years old are still thriving.
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But it's can be fatal for a lot of babies as well, both maybe
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before birth or during birth or after birth.
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And So what Kate Cox insisted was that she be given a late
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term abortion in the state of Texas.
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And Texas, she wanted to ultimately give a lethal
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injection to her baby with disabilities because she didn't
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want to give birth to this baby. And the state of Texas said, no,
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we're probably state. We're not going to do that.
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So Kate Cox tries to sue the state.
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The state refused to back down. Obviously, this is a human life.
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You don't just get to kill your baby because they have a
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disability. And So what did Kate Cox do?
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She went out of state for a lethal procedure to end the life
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of her living baby. And this was done in the name of
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compassion. So these are the kinds of
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stories that are trotted out by the pro abortion narrative.
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And they're always putting the empathy and the compassion on
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the side of this poor mother who has to deal with a, you know,
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baby who's sick or a baby who's disabled.
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And there's never a shred of consideration.
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There's never a shred of consideration for the little
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baby that's being sometimes dismembered alive in an abortion
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procedure that they're so zealously defending.
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That's what we're dealing with when we're dealing with these
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stories. You never are told the story of
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the baby who's at risk of being killed via a violent abortion.
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It's always this smoke and mirrors presentation of how
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women supposedly need this procedure when the reality is
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they don't. Let me unpack that a little more
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specifically with this Amber Thurman story.
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We're going to go to some really important statistics that you
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need to know and some facts that you need to know about this
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particular case. All right, so we're going to
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start. I, I love our live Action News.
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You guys are familiar with it. If you know about live action,
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my organization Live Action News has been doing a phenomenal job
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debunking some of these really terrible lies that are being
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told. So pro Publica, that very pro
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abortion rag came out with this claim.
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This was just a few days ago, that a young mother is dead
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because of this pro-life law in the state of Georgia.
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And they went on to tell the story.
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The author was Kavitha Serrana, tells a story about how pro-life
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laws are to blame for the deaths.
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And this woman who was Amber Thurman, she was a single
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mother. She had a six year old son.
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She was pregnant with twins. She had twin babies that she
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found out she was pregnant with how she went out of state out of
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Georgia because Georgia has a an abortion ban, they do not permit
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abortions. And she went out of state to
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North Carolina to go get ultimately the abortion pill.
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So she took the abortion pill. She went home and she started to
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have serious complications. Now here's where the first lie
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from pro publica comes in. Pro publica is blaming a
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pro-life law for her complications.
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Her complications were directly a consequence of taking the
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abortion pill. Amber Thurman ultimately ended
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up dying because she took abortion pills, which killed her
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twins and then threatened and ultimately took her own life.
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This is not some random accident of what happened to Amber
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Abortion pills at large in America.
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According to the latest data land one out of every 25 women
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in the emergency room. So this is now 60% of all
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abortions. Abortion pills were under the
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Biden administration. The FDA lifted even more
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controls and regulations off of abortion pills.
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They can now be delivered via mail.
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So you can just get your abortion pill in the mail or you
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can in this case of Amanda, you could Amber, you can just drive
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to another state And one out of every 25 women are taking
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abortion pills end up in the emergency room because the
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complications are so severe. Why are the complications so
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severe? Well, the abortion pill regimen
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is two different pills. One of the pills is designed to
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starve the developing baby of nutrients, basically blocking
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the flow of of progesterone so that the baby no longer can
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attach the lining of the uterus and get the nutrients that he or
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she needs. And then the second abortion
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pill is used to ultimately force a labor of that baby force a
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miscarriage. And So what happens sometimes is
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it doesn't complete the process of forcing the miscarriage.
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What happens is the baby is killed, the baby's dead and
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instead of miscarrying that baby, the pill fails.
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And so the baby, the, the, the parts of this baby are left
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inside the mother. The problem with this is it can
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lead to hemorrhaging or infection and can lead to death.
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In fact, women have died from the abortion pill.
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So it's a new, it's a horrible, you know, everything about it is
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horrible and, and heartbreaking, right?
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Everything, every aspect of this heartbreaking for the lives of
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the babies that have been killed and are being killed by these
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pills. Heartbreaking for the mothers
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who choose this. Sometimes out of ignorance,
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sometimes out of fear, sometimes just out of the the own darkness
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in our human heart and choosing to take these pills, which can
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have such serious complications and sometimes life threatening
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complications. So let's keep going back to
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Amber's story, though. She comes back from North
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Carolina to her state of Georgia.
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She starts to bleed a lot. She's bleeding heavily, She's
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starting to have an infection and she ultimately goes, her
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body goes into septic shock. Now pro publica presents this as
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well. They didn't provide her
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healthcare in Georgia because it's a pro-life state.
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But the reality is there is nothing in Georgia pro-life law
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that says that you cannot treat a miscarriage.
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You know, at this point, she's effectively having a a
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miscarriage because she took the abortion pills and they
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particularly zeroed in and on the DNC procedure.
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Now, if you guys who are familiar with this and who kind
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of follow abortion politics and understand the abortion issue,
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understand that ADNC can be used in an abortion procedure to kill
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a developing baby. But D and CS can also be used in
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a miscarriage if the baby has already passed away and there's
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infection that may take place or it's a missed miscarriage.
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The baby hasn't passed yet to remove the baby.
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All right. I have a very close friend as an
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example recently who miscarried. She's hardcore pro-life and she
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was devastating for her and she ultimately got a DNC procedure
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because she what had miscarried the baby had passed away and
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they used that to complete the miscarriage.
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After waiting and monitoring the situation for a few weeks.
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Actually, this friend of is pro-life, she did not have an
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abortion. Her baby had already passed
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away. She was not.
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There's nothing about ending the life of her baby, but the
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procedure was used in order to help her pass her baby.
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Now, some people still get confused about this.
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Well, it's the same procedure and you just want it.
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You're just making it illegal. No, it's, it's, it's similar to
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if you're doing, I think I've talked about this in the podcast
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before. I was talking about a recently
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in a media interview. If you are burying somebody and
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they're alive, you're taking a live person and you're burying
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them and you kill them that way, that's a murder.
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If you take a dead body, somebody who's passed away, and
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you give them a proper burial, that's the proper treatment of a
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dead body. Similarly, it can be the proper
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treatment of a miscarriage when the baby has already passed away
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to do a procedure to remove the baby.
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But if the baby is alive, this is what Georgia prohibits,
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right? Well, in the case of Amber, the
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babies had passed away. She had killed them via the
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abortion pill, the first pill that she took, and she just
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wasn't able to pass them. And so pro publica claiming that
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it was George's pro-life law that killed Amber is a complete
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and utter lie. And what's so tragic about this
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lie, guys, is that they're using Amber's death and the death of
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her twin babies as justification for saying let's have abortion
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on demand in the state of Georgia.
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That's what they're doing. In fact, Kamala Harris, I want
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to pull up this tweet for you guys.
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Kamala Harris, the vice president of the United States,
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came out recently. It was today, actually, I think
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it was this morning with this tweet.
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Let's pull this tweet up. She says a young mother from
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Georgia should be alive today, raising her son and pursuing her
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dream of attending nursing school.
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This is exactly what we feared when Roe V.
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Wade was struck down in more than 20 states.
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Trump abortion bans prevent doctors from providing basic
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medical care. This is a complete and utter
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lie. Georgia does not prohibit in any
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way, shape or form. Georgia does not prohibit
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pro-life Georgia in any way, shape or form.
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Using a DNC procedure in the case of a MIS miscarriage and in
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the case of a life threatening medical emergency.
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In rare, rare, rare cases, early delivery of a baby may be
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necessary. And Georgia doesn't permit that
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doesn't for doesn't forbid that either.
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That's the reality. Georgia has an incredibly
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important and and valuable pro-life law that is protecting
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lives and they're getting attacked because the abortion
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pill is lethal not just for the baby, but sometimes for the
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mother. So the first fact that everyone
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needs to know about this case is that DN CS are not illegal in
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Georgia or in any pro-life state unless the DNC procedure is
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being used to intentionally kill a child AKA and elective
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abortion. That is what is illegal.
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If the DNC procedure is being used to kill somebody, it is
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wrong. The DNC procedure is used in a
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rare case of maybe a missed miscarriage to remove a baby
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who's already passed away. That is medical care.
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That distinction is incredibly important #2 Fact Check for this
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Amber store, for this Amber story is that sepsis, and this
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is pro publica talking about how Amber underwent endured sepsis
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that ultimately killed her. Sepsis is a known risk of the
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abortion pill. In fact, if you have that, you
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see, there's the abortion pill comes to the black box warning
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because the the abortion pill is a lethal, A lethal drug.
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And the abortion pill, it's black box, its own black box
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warning indicates that this can be a deadly drug.
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Even though they're claiming all this is safer than Tylenol,
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yadda, yadda. No, it has a black box warning
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because the abortion pill can lead to sepsis.
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It can lead to infection that can be lethal for the mom #3
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Another fact to Fact Check the pro publica hit piece against
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the Georgia pro-life law. Pro publica blaming pro-life
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laws is speculation of course because they're saying well the
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doctors were afraid to do AD and C because of the pro-life laws
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and that's why they didn't do the DNC in enough time.
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There is 0 evidence and they show 0 evidence in her own
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article which is pretty lengthy that the reason that doctors
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waited and didn't immediately do the DNC had anything to do with
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a pro-life law. The reason that the doctors in
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many of these cases will wait and see is because they're
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monitoring the pregnancy to see do we need to go to a surgery
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because there are additional risks with surgery.
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That's often the reason for a wait and see approach.
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Now I'm wasn't in the shoes of the healthcare folks who are
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treating Amber. I don't know how much care or
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lack of care she specifically received.
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I think in many of these cases, medical malpractice may come
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into play. There are, there's tons of that
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unfortunately happening in our country.
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Medical malpractice is a serious issue.
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And so there this could be an element here.
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But of course pro publica doesn't want to blame medical
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malpractice. Again, pro publica and Kamala
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Harris and other pro abortion advocates want to blame pro-life
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laws. Finally, pro publica of course,
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and Kamala Harris for that matter, is not being honest
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about Georgia's pro-life law. Georgia's pro-life law very
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clearly states that in a life threatening medical emergency,
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early delivery may be necessary and can be permitted.
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And it also in no way prohibits using the DNC procedure in the
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case of a MIS miscarriage. That is the reality.
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And in fact, there is no pro-life law in the country that
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prohibits treatment of an ectopic pregnancy or that says
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that you can't use ADNC in a case of a miscarriage.
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Those pro-life laws don't exist because everybody who's pro-life
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understands the difference between removing a baby who's
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already passed away versus killing intentionally a living
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baby or the difference in a, in the case of an ectopic
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pregnancy, removing the baby from a hostile environment if
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the baby's developing in a fallopian tube and the tragic
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death of that baby, that wasn't the intention, right?
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That wasn't the goal, to kill the baby, but to remove it from
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the hostile environment of the fallopian tube where it's
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implanted there instead of the uterus and the baby can't grow.
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Or the baby's already dead or is dying and the mother could have
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a life threatening complication because there could be a
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rupture. That has never been prohibited
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by any pro-life law on the books in this country.
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So these are the facts that people need to know.
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I'm going to run through them one more time so you guys can
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use these when you're maybe on social media, talking with
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friends, whatever your, you know, your place of influence is
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DN CS are not illegal in Georgia unless they're being used to
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kill a baby. That's the fact of Georgia's
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law. Sepsis is a known risk of the
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abortion pill. There have been other people who
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have died from the abortion pill because of complications like
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sepsis. That's why Amber passed away.
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Pro publica blaming pro-life laws and doctors because of the
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pro-life law is complete speculation.
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There's zero evidence to show that the doctors didn't give her
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the DNC because of anything to do with pro-life law.
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Often in these cases, I think medical negligence or failure to
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properly understand what was going on with the patient can be
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part of the reason that treatment wasn't given in the
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right on the right course. And then finally, Pro Publica is
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outright lying about Georgia's pro-life law, as is Kamala
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Harris and many other abortion advocates who are using tragic
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stories like this one. To advocate for abortion on
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demand, I want to pull up a video for you guys to hear of
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another story. This is the story of a young
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woman who was killed, one of the first young women in America who
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was killed by the legal abortion pill.
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So this was back I think in the late 90s, might be the early
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2000s when the abortion pill was first legalized.
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So in the 90s is when it was legalized first by then
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President Bill Clinton. The history of the abortion
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pill, of course, is a lengthy one.
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We're not going to get into all of that today.
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But what I can say, what I will say is that Bill Clinton was the
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one who ultimately fast tracked its authorization.
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So his FDA fast tracked the authorization of the abortion
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pill, even though it didn't go through any kind of proper
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clinical trial process. And once the abortion pill was
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on the market, it started to grow in popularity in in the use
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of killing babies and it started to claim the lives of women too,
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and girls. So we're going to watch a video
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here of the story of one of these young women, the first
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young women in America who was killed by the abortion pill, by
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the legal abortion pill. And this is her father, her
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distraught father talking about what happened to her.
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This is the story of Holly. 18th birthday On September 10th,
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2003, she walked into a Planned Parenthood clinic to be
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administered in RU46 medical abortion regimen.
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By the 4th day, she was admitted to the emergency room of a local
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hospital. She was examined.
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She was given painkillers. She complained of bleeding,
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cramping, Constipation and pain, but subsequently she was sent
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home. Seven days after taking RU, 46,
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Holly returned to the same emergency room hospital
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complaining of weakness, vomiting, abdominal pain.
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Hours later, I was called to the hospital where I found her
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surrounded by doctors and nurses, barely conscious and
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struggling to breathe. Holly was so weak she could
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barely hold on to my hand. Feeling utter disbelief and
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desperation, I watched Holly succumb to a massive bacterial
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infection as a result of a drug induced abortion with RU46.
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With the support of my family and friends, I've spent
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thousands of hours researching medical and scientific journals,
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talking to doctors, legislators, state and federal agencies, and
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to learn about the drug RU 46, otherwise known as
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Mythopristone. I believe that RU 46 is the
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substantial contributing factor responsible for Hawley's death.
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Currently, there have been 8 deaths reported by the FDA
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linked with the drug. Furthermore, there are 900 or
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more serious health consequences associated with RU46.
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How many must I needlessly before this drug is removed from
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the market? Women have been and are still
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relying upon what they think is truthful information concerning
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the limited risk involved with a medical abortion.
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Yet does the average patient, a teenager like Holly, understand
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she may be risking her life taking RU46 when she's
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repeatedly exposed to statements like it's what women have wanted
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for years? It's the first FDA approved pill
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providing women with a safe and effective non surgical option
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for ending early pregnancy. There are no quick fixes or
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magical pills to make an unplanned pregnancy go away.
23:48
My family, friends and community were deeply saddened and are
23:51
forever marred by Holly's preventable and tragic death.
23:56
It is my vibrant memory of Holly and her premature death that
23:59
have inspired me to make the public aware of the serious and
24:03
lethal effects of the RU 46 regimen.
24:07
Not a day goes by that I do not recall her brilliant blue eyes,
24:11
engaging smile, laughter and sheer general beauty.
24:17
Holly's personal drive and unwavering determination
24:23
continue to inspire me and give me strength to pursue these
24:27
critical issues and her name. I mean, his story is so gut
24:31
wrenching. This father, he's so distraught
24:33
because he lost his daughter, of course, because of the abortion
24:36
bill, because of RU 486 or Mythopristone.
24:38
And he's testifying right here about this experience and he's
24:41
saying these pills are dangerous.
24:43
Why are no one, why is no one being told this, right?
24:47
Well, because the very advocates who claim to speak for women and
24:50
for Women's Health are lying. They're not telling you the
24:54
truth. They're not telling women the
24:55
truth. They're not telling us the facts
24:58
about the risks of RU 46, the thousands of women who have gone
25:01
to emergency rooms because of RU 46, the abortion pill.
25:05
That's not headline news. That's not in any way a story
25:09
that we hear. What we hear is headline news
25:13
when somebody like Amber passes away tragically, and then her
25:18
death is weaponized not to expose the evil of the abortion
25:21
pill, or her death is weaponized by abortion advocates to say we
25:25
want more abortion pills. How dare Georgia not give all of
25:29
its women abortion pills, How dare Georgia protect the lives
25:33
of innocent babies? And look, guys, when I think
25:36
about this, I also think about the fact that we can do so much
25:41
better as women than abortion, that we living in a society that
25:47
tells us that the solution to unexpected pregnancy, the
25:51
solution to pregnancy complications is to kill the
25:53
baby. What a brutal society to live
25:56
in. We've got to do better than
25:58
that. And I think women are stronger
26:01
and more capable than we sometimes make them out to be.
26:06
And human beings, the human spirit has more possibility, has
26:09
more power than we give it. And so when we say to women, you
26:14
need abortion, you need abortion, you need abortion, I
26:16
think it's infantilizing of women.
26:19
And I think that part of the solution here is to work to
26:23
connect women in need, families in need with the resources that
26:27
they need. Because there's thousands of
26:29
pregnancy resource centers and resources out there.
26:32
But it's really also an information campaign.
26:35
You know, we have thousands of pregnancy centers, we have
26:37
thousands of resources out there.
26:38
Some of them go a full day and they only get a couple visits.
26:42
They don't have enough people even showing up at the door to
26:44
get all of the free resources, the counseling, the prenatal
26:47
care, the parenting classes, the resources, the the diapers, the,
26:51
the clothes, the material support, the housing support
26:54
that they may have to offer. They have a lot to offer.
26:58
But when we have it ingrained in our minds in our society that if
27:03
I get pregnant, I should just have an abortion, right?
27:06
If that's, if that's the go to that I should have an abortion
27:10
because that's the right thing for me to do, the smart thing
27:13
for me to do, then we can have all the resources in the world
27:16
and they won't matter, right? So, so much of our pro-life
27:19
movement has to be to speak the truth and to educate people
27:21
about what abortion actually is and to educate people about why
27:26
we need abortion laws to prohibit abortion.
27:29
If North Carolina had abortion illegal as Georgia did, Amber
27:34
would not have drove there to get these abortion pills.
27:36
She likely would not have taken the abortion pills.
27:39
Imagine if we put all of our fire and our fuel and our money,
27:43
you know, and Kamala Harris, instead of using your platform
27:45
to promote abortion, she used it to promote supporting mothers
27:48
and saying we've got to do better for moms and kids.
27:51
Imagine how transformational that would be, how many lives
27:55
that that would save, right? That's what we've got to work
27:58
towards. I want to address something else
28:01
here, which is this mythology now that's developing that
28:07
somehow abortion is healthcare, right?
28:08
And we need abortion for medical emergencies.
28:11
When the reality is the countries, some of the countries
28:15
with the best pro-life laws have the lowest maternal mortality
28:21
rates in the world. This is really interesting data
28:23
that I wanted to share with you guys.
28:25
Did you know as an example, we're going to show this chart
28:27
here in a minute. The country of Malta has one of
28:30
the lowest maternal mortality rates in the world.
28:33
Malta is a fully pro-life country, so they do not permit
28:37
any abortion and they have not had a single maternal death in
28:41
12 years. All right, check out this chart.
28:44
Let me see. Let me know if you guys can see
28:45
this. This is really incredible.
28:48
So this is a chart through the year 2020, from the year 2000,
28:51
so 20 years of maternal mortality rates.
28:54
So your maternal mortality rate as a country, as you guys
28:56
probably know, is how many women basically are dying who are
29:00
pregnant, whether it's from birth or pregnancy.
29:03
And what's so incredible about this maternal mortality ratio,
29:07
This is a modeled estimate, So for every 100,000 live birth.
29:10
So it's taking into account the size of populations, etcetera.
29:13
You can see the top line here is China.
29:16
OK, this red line, an extremely high maternal mortality rate.
29:21
It's gone down over the last 20 years, but it's still very high.
29:24
Who's up there with China in terms of having an extremely
29:27
high maternal mortality rate? And China, by the way, as you
29:29
guys know, it's abortion on demand and and in many ways
29:33
coerced abortion. Who else has the sky high
29:35
maternal mortality rate? the United States, who has a
29:40
lower maternal mortality rate than the United States?
29:43
The UK is lower than US, but even lower than the UK are three
29:48
countries who have been very pro-life.
29:51
Two of them are still strongly pro-life and one of them in just
29:54
recent years has faltered. But before that it was strongly
29:57
pro-life and their maternal mortality rates were some of the
30:00
best in the world. Those countries include Ireland,
30:03
Malta and Poland. Malta, I already mentioned, has
30:05
not had a maternal death in 12 years.
30:08
Ireland had a complete abortion ban for decades until just a few
30:13
years ago. But you see for the 20 years of
30:16
2000 to 20/20/20 how low their maternal mortality rate was.
30:20
They didn't need abortion for women's healthcare in Ireland.
30:23
They don't need abortion for women's healthcare in Malta.
30:26
Those are some of the healthiest populations and the safest
30:29
places to have a baby. There's no abortion.
30:32
There was no abortion or in Ireland and there is no abortion
30:36
in Malta. But the United States with our
30:38
1,000,000 abortions a year, we're killing more women who are
30:43
pregnant than any of these other countries on this graph except
30:46
for China. So when you look at a holistic
30:50
view of what is a healthcare system look like that is
30:52
actually going to help women and lead to better outcomes for
30:57
women, it does not include abortion.
31:00
So this is the big lie, right? This is the big scam of media
31:04
today. The big scam of media today is
31:07
that you need abortion. That is that killing a baby is
31:10
somehow healthcare. When thousands of OBGYN agree
31:15
abortion is not healthcare. It's not.
31:17
It's not needed in a medical setting.
31:19
And when we know the truth that abortion is actually the
31:21
intentional destruction of an innocent human life, That's what
31:25
an abortion is. And it's never medically
31:28
necessary. It is just honestly, it's just
31:32
heartbreaking and it should lead us to, I think, a righteous
31:36
indignation that these lies are just told incessantly.
31:40
And I do think sometimes guys that listen, I do think that
31:44
sometimes because the lies are so incessant and they make it,
31:49
they make anyone who opposes the lie to be like the outcast.
31:52
You are so crazy to be pro-life. You are so crazy to want an
31:57
abortion ban. How could you?
31:59
You're like, it's such a tiny minority.
32:02
And that narrative is so pernicious because it tells you
32:09
the lie again and again and again until people think it's
32:12
true. And then it gaslights the person
32:16
who's speaking the truth to the lie and saying, how dare you
32:20
even think that? How dare you even say that?
32:24
And the only way to deal with those sorts of bullies, because
32:27
that's, that's, that's like a bully on the playground who's
32:30
saying the sky is red, the sky is red, the sky is red.
32:33
And if you dare say anything, you are stupid and I'm going to
32:37
punch you in the face, right? That's the, that's the idea
32:39
here, right? The only solution to this is to
32:43
stand up to the bully and to never back down and to say, no,
32:47
what is true is true. Abortion is not healthcare.
32:50
Abortion is the killing of an innocent human being.
32:52
And I'm going to oppose it no matter what.
32:54
And guess what? A lot more people would even
32:56
agree with me or have the courage to agree with me if they
32:58
see me standing up to the bully. That's what this is.
33:02
The other part that's so pernicious here, it's so
33:04
deceptive is that the bully who's saying the sky is red, the
33:07
sky is red, the sky is red, right?
33:08
That's pro abortion Bully is also saying, and I'm the one who
33:12
cares for women, not you, right? That's that's the pro publica
33:15
lie. That's the Kamala Harris lie.
33:16
Well, I care about women and you don't care.
33:18
You hate women. This is a complete lie.
33:21
As you know, the pro-life path is the only pro woman path.
33:26
It is a pro child path. Women's Healthcare is better
33:31
served when abortion is off the table.
33:33
That's proven by maternal mortality rates being better in
33:36
pro-life countries, and it's proven by the testimonies of
33:38
thousands of medical professionals who attest to
33:41
that. Women's Healthcare is better
33:44
without abortion. And of course babies are better
33:48
off without abortion. They're not dismembered and
33:50
killed by abortion. We've got to say these things
33:53
again and again, guys. And I just want to, I'm so
33:55
grateful there are many of you speaking out about this.
33:58
And I want to encourage you to keep doing it because the more
34:00
you speak, the easier it will be for other people to speak to and
34:05
for other people to not just listen and believe the incessant
34:10
lies coming from media groups and coming from even some of the
34:15
highest offices in the in the country, like our, you know, the
34:19
vice President Harris, who's running to be president of the
34:22
United States. So we've got to keep on pushing
34:25
back against the lives. You know, my heart goes out to
34:28
Amber for the loss of her life, the loss of her twins life for
34:33
for her six year old son that she left behind.
34:36
Imagine if we lived in a society instead that never thought of
34:39
abortion even as an option. It was, it was just a seen as a
34:43
as a horrible and dangerous thing that should not be
34:45
considered. Amber would be alive.
34:48
Amber would be alive and her twins would be alive.
34:52
That's the society we need to fight for.
34:54
For her sake, for the sake of her, for her twins that we've
34:58
lost. Listen, abortion bans don't just
35:01
save the lives of babies. Abortion bans save the lives of
35:05
women too. They save the lives of people
35:09
that are being tricked into believing that killing a baby is
35:12
somehow healthcare and it's going to somehow help them get
35:14
ahead when it can never do either of those things.
35:17
It can never actually heal, and it can never actually help you
35:20
get ahead in any meaningful way. Because the most important thing
35:25
at the end of the day is not how wealthy I am or how many
35:30
opportunities are I have or how many things I get to do because
35:33
I'm not shackled with a baby, right?
35:34
This is the mentality, but it's about relationships and it's
35:38
about love. That ultimately is the path to
35:41
the deepest human meaning and experience, not all the material
35:46
things that people are sometimes tempted to or people sometimes
35:49
want to prioritize. So I hope for future Amber's out
35:54
there that our movement can get through to them.
35:56
That we can be there to be the resources and the support that's
35:59
needed, because that support is out there.
36:02
And that we can put in place the abortion bans in every state to
36:06
stop the killing and to instead move healthcare to focus on
36:11
loving and serving both mother and baby and not pitting mother
36:16
against baby. All right, I'm going to take a
36:18
look at the chat we got. We still have to cover the Ted
36:21
Cruz bill that was recently the competing bills between Cruz and
36:28
the Democrats. Thanks, everybody again for
36:31
joining the chat. Rachel, thanks for joining.
36:34
Rachel says I can't believe they're misinforming people
36:36
about her death for political weaponry.
36:39
It's very devastating. Brooke is saying women deserve
36:42
better OB care 100% that is. That is exactly it.
36:47
Loli Valento is saying the clinic that she got the pills
36:49
from wouldn't have helped her. They would have sent her to an
36:51
ER exactly where she went. That's true, by the way.
36:55
That is that that the reality is most of these abortion clinics,
36:58
they're not prepared to deal with serious complications from
37:01
the abortions that they do. So they'll call the ER if
37:05
there's an an emergency situation at their clinic.
37:07
Or they'll wait to call the ER because they don't want to have
37:11
the sirens running outside their building and scare off potential
37:14
clients. Or they'll send the woman home
37:17
and she'll have to call the ER. But they're not set up to deal
37:20
with high risk situations. And these are abortion clinics.
37:23
Planned Parenthood is not dealing with high risk
37:25
situations. They're going to send you to a
37:27
hospital for that. So that's why so many women show
37:30
up at the ER. One out of every 25 women who
37:32
take an abortion pill will show up at the emergency room.
37:36
That's because this is a deadly, deadly drug.
37:39
Danielle says thank you for speaking the truth.
37:41
Thank you, Danielle, thank you for listening.
37:43
All right, we are going to go over to the story we're
37:48
following here on IVF legislation.
37:50
We just did a podcast on this as you guys may have listened to it
37:53
with Doctor Lauren Rubal. It was really insightful.
37:56
She had a lot to say about the Trump Vance policy proposal on
38:02
IVF. So you guys probably have
38:04
already heard this, but President Trump proposed a few
38:07
weeks ago, taxpayer funded IVF for all people.
38:11
Pretty insane policy proposal, especially considering that this
38:16
goes against not just the conscience protections of
38:19
everyday Americans because IVF involves highly dangerous and
38:22
unethical technology that leads to the death of 93% of the
38:27
babies that are created via IVF. But it also goes against the
38:31
beliefs of many Americans, this approach to a fertility
38:35
technology. And in addition, you're talking
38:37
up to $60,000 per live birth that IVF costs.
38:42
So this is an incredible amount of money.
38:45
And the American, our American culture is the Wild West of the
38:49
IVF industry. We don't have any regulations.
38:52
You can create a dozen babies. You can create two dozen babies.
38:54
You can sex select the baby you want.
38:56
You can indefinitely freeze your babies in the United States.
38:59
You can be a single man and get a baby.
39:01
You can be two gay men and get a baby.
39:04
It doesn't matter. You can just get a baby.
39:06
You can create a baby using this technology without any of the
39:10
natural order in place and the natural protections of the
39:13
natural order in place. And by that I mean there's
39:16
natural protections in place with the natural way that life
39:19
comes into being, right? Meaning when I'm pregnant
39:23
naturally, there's a whole series of hormones and interplay
39:28
to create a sense of protectiveness for that baby.
39:30
If that baby is born, a sense of protectiveness for that baby.
39:34
Of course, women I think have a natural protectiveness.
39:37
Men also have it, but it's it's a different kind.
39:40
There's a lot of science behind why there's bonds are so
39:43
beautiful and natural between mother and baby, between baby
39:47
and parents. And IVF not only recklessly
39:50
treats the lives of millions of babies, There's a million baby
39:54
babies frozen right now via IVF, but it also breaks all of those
39:59
natural bonds. So we have these horror stories.
40:02
Of people like the two men in California who created and test
40:06
tubes little babies had a little baby boy implanted in a
40:09
surrogate. These were two men living in a
40:12
same sex relationship and the baby was 20 weeks old.
40:17
The surrogate this is a woman named Brittany in California
40:20
found out she had early stage breast cancer.
40:22
She wanted to get cancer treatment so she wanted to do an
40:24
early delivery of the baby but still let the baby survive.
40:27
Of course, this little boy and the two dads said we don't want
40:33
our genetic material out there. We want you to kill the baby.
40:36
I want you to abort this 20 week old baby.
40:39
And that's what happened to him. This little boy was created in a
40:46
in vitro fertilization clinic with probably multiple other
40:50
siblings, genetic siblings who are either destroyed or frozen
40:54
indefinitely. He was chosen to be implanted in
40:58
the womb of a woman who didn't know him from Adam, was paid
41:03
money for this. She gestated that little boy
41:06
till he was 20 weeks old. He could feel pain, He could
41:09
move. He had all of his, you know,
41:12
fingers and toes, his beautiful eyes and face and eyelashes.
41:16
And his dad's decided they didn't want him anymore.
41:20
And so they ordered his death and they achieved his death.
41:23
He was killed. In my state, this is legal,
41:26
guys. This is the IVF industry.
41:28
So of course there should be an outcry against a government
41:31
funded proposal to force, to mandate insurance companies and
41:35
taxpayers to fund this for anybody and everybody.
41:38
And that is where the blowback lies, right?
41:41
But I just want to look at what has happened here with this
41:44
legislation because you guys should know this isn't just the
41:46
Trump fans ticket doing this. This is this weird the focus of
41:52
some Republicans now to push for IVFI think they're trying to
41:55
find something that's going to be maybe populist and win
41:58
amongst the voters. I don't know what the the the
42:00
focus here is exactly politically that the strategy.
42:03
But this is not a smart strategy.
42:06
First of all, because this is serious ethical complications
42:09
with it that are upsetting a lot of potential voters.
42:13
But it's also very short sighted.
42:15
Because if you want to make America a healthier place for
42:19
families and address infertility, you would actually
42:22
pursue and invest in restorative fertility treatments that
42:26
address the root causes of infertility and work with the
42:29
body naturally to achieve pregnancy instead of using this
42:32
unethical and dangerous technology of IVF.
42:34
And that technology, by the way, restorative approaches to
42:37
fertility. And we talked about this with
42:39
Doctor Rubal on the podcast in the episode that came out
42:42
yesterday. The restorative approach to
42:44
fertility has as good outcomes in achieving a live birth in, in
42:48
many studies as IVF and it's dramatically less expensive.
42:55
Usually the average cost for these restorative approaches are
42:57
between maybe 2 or $5000. IVF can be up to $60,000 to
43:02
achieve one life birth. So she shared some really
43:04
incredible information. Go back and check out that
43:06
episode if you can. But what is what is happening
43:10
here with this IVF legislation? So right now the Democrats had a
43:16
IVF bill out and they wanted to again do IVF, tax funded,
43:22
mandated, everything else. Ted Cruz, Senator Ted Cruz
43:26
responded with his own and and Senator Kate Britt from Alabama
43:31
responded with their own IVF bill.
43:35
So let's pull this article up from The Hill explaining what
43:37
happened here. It says Democrats on Tuesday
43:40
blocked an attempt by Republican Senators Ted Cruz and Katie
43:42
Britt to pass a GOP in vitro fertilization access bill
43:47
through unanimous consent. The fact that the GOP is doing
43:50
AIVF access bill is absolutely crazy.
43:53
This is insane. This would not even have been
43:55
considered two years ago. I think this is the Trump
43:58
influence in the party because Trump gutted the RNC platform on
44:03
life and then added in birth control and added in IVF, very
44:07
ethically problematic procedures and approaches that actually
44:10
lead to more abortions. But the article goes on to share
44:14
that, you know, Ted Cruz blasted the vote as a show vote.
44:18
Yes, this is all show votes, by the way.
44:20
These are show votes for and against IVF because this has now
44:23
become this partisan issue and this, this fight to say, well, I
44:28
care about women more than you. That's what's going on between
44:30
the Republicans and the Democrats here.
44:32
When the reality is IVF is not caring about women.
44:36
If you want to address the fertility crisis in America, IVF
44:39
is not the way. IVF is incredibly painful.
44:42
It's incredibly expensive. It leads to the deaths of 93% of
44:45
the babies that it creates or the indefinite freezing.
44:48
It is not the way guys. Of course, any baby can see via
44:52
IVF is an incredible gift and that's why this is a problem
44:56
because we know IVF creates life and so we need to have standards
45:00
for how we do this and and protect the babies that are
45:04
created. So anyways, it goes on the, the,
45:09
you know, Cruz's, he's obviously criticizing the Republicans.
45:13
They're all, they're all criticizing each other.
45:15
This is the, the, this is the distinction between the bills.
45:18
The GOP bill would bar states from receiving Medicaid funding
45:22
if they implement a ban on IVF, but explicitly does not
45:25
guarantee a right to IVF services.
45:28
So the Cruz bill and the Brit bill does not go as far as what
45:32
President Trump is asking them to do because President Trump
45:34
wants it to be paid for by the taxpayer. 100% right.
45:38
They're saying that you actually won't get Medicaid money if you
45:42
stop IVF in your state. So if a pro-life state wanted to
45:46
regulate IVF in a way that would prohibit it from being done
45:51
because of the cost it is to human lives, that state now,
45:54
because of Republicans in this case, would not be able to get
45:58
Medicaid money. I mean, how did we get here that
46:01
the Republicans are doing this? This is so off kilter.
46:05
This is wrong, right? It's obviously more extreme what
46:08
the Democrats are pushing for here.
46:10
They're now doing what Trump wants, which is guaranteeing a
46:14
right to IVF. So President Trump is to the
46:17
left here, you know, even of his own GOP in the Senate anyways.
46:22
And what they're pushing in the Senate, but it's all very
46:25
problematic. And, and, and I think it's
46:27
ignorance. I mean, a lot of this, I think
46:28
it's people, People want to address infertility.
46:32
People want to solve the problem of infertility.
46:34
And I understand that we should solve that.
46:36
It is a heart wrenching rising challenge for many people in
46:40
this country. Infertility is heart wrenching.
46:44
But the answer to infertility is not IVF.
46:48
The answer to infertility is addressing root causes is
46:52
working in a restorative approach to really help couples
46:55
and families be able to have children.
46:58
And in those cases where it is impossible for whatever reason,
47:02
that's where I think we need to celebrate and uphold the
47:04
beautiful gift that adoption can be.
47:07
Because keep in mind that one million children aborted every
47:10
year. A million children aborted every
47:12
year. Imagine if instead of creating
47:15
all of these precious new lives via IVF and freezing million of
47:19
them indefinitely and many of them getting destroyed, we
47:22
instead stop abortions and not a million children a year that are
47:26
killed in abortion are instead loved and welcomed, their
47:30
mothers supported, and they're placed in loving homes.
47:33
Imagine if that was the solution to the fertility crisis instead
47:37
of the approach that we're taking, which is so wasteful and
47:41
dangerous to human life. I think it would be a great
47:44
solution. I think that's what our
47:47
lawmakers should focus on, restorative approaches and
47:50
helping women who are pregnant and if they can't parent for
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whatever reason, aiding the adoption process to support that
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birth mother as well as the adoptive families.
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That is the solution. That is what we should be aiming
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towards. All right, guys, thank you so
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much. I know that was a lot to cover
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here. I think it's so important that
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we Fact Check and deep dive these stories.
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Thank you guys for listening. Thank you, Danielle, thank you,
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Pat for joining. Thank you, Angela for joining
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