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Rushion Interviews Gaming & coding leaders, Harold & Hans Vancol talk technology gap, black tech, & augmented / virtual reality! · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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  Speaker 1: In the world that's concreasingly dependent on technology. STEM education
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  Speaker 1: is very important for the future of our kids and
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  Speaker 1: future jobs, and they have basic knowledge of the computer
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  Speaker 1: programming that is put forth to us everyday via your
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  Speaker 1: phone tech related skills. Brothers, Harold and Hans van Cole
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  Speaker 1: that's a great name, can talk organically about the experience
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  Speaker 1: of getting involved with the Limitless initiative and the KRPR
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  Speaker 1: robot simulative project they're helping to spearhead. The organic extra
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  Speaker 1: of how they were introduced to the Limitless and why
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  Speaker 1: they got involved with the project is pretty inspiring. Harold
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  Speaker 1: and Hans Vancol are founders of their consulting company HV Unlimited,
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  Speaker 1: where they work to help companies get into the gaming space.
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  Speaker 1: They also leaders and GRAB Games, and gaming company that
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  Speaker 1: creates entertainment and the vr R a R enabled platforms
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  Speaker 1: games in the virtual reality all augmented reality space. Harold's
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  Speaker 1: VP Creative at VP Creative at Grab Games, and Hans
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  Speaker 1: is c O A GRAB Games. Please welcome to Money
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  Speaker 1: Main conversation. For the very first time, they might be
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  Speaker 1: I might I might be robotic Today I finished with
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  Speaker 1: these guys. Harold has van Cole fella, all right for
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  Speaker 1: having I'm talking to a couple of USC grads and
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  Speaker 1: the heart of Los Angeles down that got a new
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  Speaker 1: football coach. You know, I don't know, you know, we're
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  Speaker 1: not gonna get too far with that, but I just
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  Speaker 1: gotta acknowledge that football maybe back on the campus of
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  Speaker 1: the university. We were there during the glory years, so
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  Speaker 1: you know that's right. Well, you know, so you remember
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  Speaker 1: when uh when uh, I'm just speaking off couple of
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  Speaker 1: the UT game, the world of the greatest football game
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  Speaker 1: I've seen in college football, the USC game. Yeah, that
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  Speaker 1: that was. That was a brilliant game. This is a brilliant,
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  Speaker 1: brilliant football game. If you're a fan of college football,
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  Speaker 1: it's a game you always will remember. But but you guys, uh,
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  Speaker 1: when I see your name Harold and Hans at this
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  Speaker 1: the Hans van Cole, it sounds so European. I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: you had that a lot, come fellas. Yeah, definitely always
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  Speaker 1: always get asked like, oh are you German? Or how
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  Speaker 1: did you get that name? And they're always they always
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  Speaker 1: get disappointed when I just tell him, yeah, they my
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  Speaker 1: parents saw it in the baby book and they liked
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  Speaker 1: it so so Harol, how did you get your name? Then?
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  Speaker 1: What baby book they saw your name? Ma'm I'm assuming
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  Speaker 1: it's the same thing. But you know, my name doesn't
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  Speaker 1: draw as many reactions. So but but what does draw
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  Speaker 1: reaction is the fact that you guys are in the
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  Speaker 1: You know, we hear the word stam being thrown out
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  Speaker 1: a lot. STAM say the the America is falling backwards,
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  Speaker 1: uh behind in the STAM educational platforms, and especially when
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  Speaker 1: you minorities are people of color, the STAM education platform
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  Speaker 1: almost becomes non existence. And then we had the pandemic
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  Speaker 1: jump all over us and turn into virtual living, which
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  Speaker 1: means that you have to have some clear understanding of
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  Speaker 1: computer or how to use your phone for your child
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  Speaker 1: to be educating. And we all know that the footprint
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  Speaker 1: for Internet is not always available for people of color.
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  Speaker 1: So when I say those hair, all those things, what
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  Speaker 1: saddens you the most about what has happened to the
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  Speaker 1: minority community the last two years with the pandemic tied
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  Speaker 1: to education? I mean, that's a that's a big question.
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  Speaker 1: I think you know, there's already a bit of a
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  Speaker 1: divide um in terms of educational opportunities and kind of
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  Speaker 1: what kids have access to UM. You know, when when
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  Speaker 1: I first showed up in high school, uh, I was
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  Speaker 1: I was meeting all these people. It was the first
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  Speaker 1: time that I really gotten exposed to a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people outside of my immediate area. Uh. And you know
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  Speaker 1: they're starting in uh Spanish too, and you know, advanced
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  Speaker 1: algebra and all these things. And I'm like, man, you
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  Speaker 1: gotta had those classes at your school. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: they had music classes and different languages and uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: computer courses and all that stuff. And it you know,
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  Speaker 1: it starts so early that those diverging paths, you know,
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  Speaker 1: UM and seeing that there's just different opportunities at different
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  Speaker 1: schools UM can really set people way ahead or start people,
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  Speaker 1: you know, behind the starting blocks. And so when you
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  Speaker 1: look at that as a as a basis, UM it
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  Speaker 1: only the pandemic only made it worse. Uh. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's you have these situations where you know, like I
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  Speaker 1: think some like eight of kids you know at or
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  Speaker 1: below the poverty line, you know, couldn't even regularly attend
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  Speaker 1: there their remote classes because you know, there's situations at
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  Speaker 1: home and different things going on, and you know, the
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  Speaker 1: school was a place where one you knew where your
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  Speaker 1: kids were gonna be and two you had people really
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  Speaker 1: guiding what it was that they were doing. And so,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the pandemic just kind of widened that because
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  Speaker 1: now you're bringing in you know what, like you mentioned,
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  Speaker 1: what Internet do they have access to? What hardware do
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  Speaker 1: they have access to? Um and so you start to
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  Speaker 1: see a lot of programs start to come up to
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  Speaker 1: try to get hardware into the hands of kids, try
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  Speaker 1: to give families, you know, better internet access, cheaper internet access,
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  Speaker 1: because unfortunately, you know, economic uh you know factors really
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  Speaker 1: play into the barriers that that kids have for education,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, we don't think that should be the case.
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  Speaker 1: Uh So the endemic just kind of widened a gap
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  Speaker 1: that kind of already existed. And at the gap when
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  Speaker 1: you talk about it, Hans, when you start talking about
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  Speaker 1: d R, which is virtual reality and augmented reality, you
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  Speaker 1: know that's if you if you're not if you're not
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  Speaker 1: even on the plane of two plus two is four
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  Speaker 1: equal four, then this the distance is more amazing because
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  Speaker 1: what you're talking about is what we're seeing basically in
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  Speaker 1: the Marvel movies. You know, there's that bringing out that life.
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  Speaker 1: You know, walking into a store, you see a dinosaur
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  Speaker 1: standing over you because I was fortunate or with a
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  Speaker 1: contract I had with their National Guard to get into
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  Speaker 1: the argument. And it's really a it's a three D
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  Speaker 1: world that really exists. And I know there's some type
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  Speaker 1: of programming now where I was working with this guy,
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  Speaker 1: he was in London and then on my cell phone,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I was able to appear like he was
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  Speaker 1: on my front step with me talking. That's how advanced
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  Speaker 1: this program and he's getting it's almost getting to a
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  Speaker 1: version of teleporting somebody. It's almost like I teleported him
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  Speaker 1: from London to my front step and on my phone
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  Speaker 1: he was sitting right next to me on my on
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  Speaker 1: the sofa on my front step. So how can we
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  Speaker 1: catch up? Are are we? Are we fighting a game
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  Speaker 1: that we won't catch up with? Horns um. I think
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  Speaker 1: I think it all starts at really establishing the uh,
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  Speaker 1: the knowledge set from a core level with with the
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  Speaker 1: kids that are coming up and the people that are
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  Speaker 1: in high school and and going to college. I think
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  Speaker 1: the the main, the main piece with all of this
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  Speaker 1: this technology that's that's uh you know, blowing us away
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  Speaker 1: daily is at its core, it's it's a programming language
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  Speaker 1: or or some some set of rules that apply across
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  Speaker 1: across these different technology areas. So I think more and
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  Speaker 1: more people need to understand, uh, how critical it is
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  Speaker 1: to learn these skills because technology is not going away,
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  Speaker 1: um as as we as we know, Um, everybody is
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  Speaker 1: very dependent on on their phone, and the phone does many, many,
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  Speaker 1: many things for us makes our lives a lot easier. Um,
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  Speaker 1: But that's all technology. Well it's interesting because you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just I'm you know, I'm old school. I go
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  Speaker 1: back to the four train in the past, programs of days,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you know, I'm like a dinosaur when I
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  Speaker 1: was back there programming versus what they're doing. When you
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  Speaker 1: look at augmented reality programming, what what has blown you
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  Speaker 1: away the most about that? What have you seen at that?
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  Speaker 1: You can tell my people are watching this or people
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  Speaker 1: who are listening to this, about the future of augmenting
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  Speaker 1: and why that is so powerful? Well, I mean just
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  Speaker 1: just in the name itself, it's it's it's something that's
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  Speaker 1: meant to improve your already existing reality. Right. So, Um,
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  Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of different projects that that we've
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  Speaker 1: worked on, um, A lot of which haven't been released
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  Speaker 1: or that we can't talk about in details. Really we
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  Speaker 1: have one of the conversations there we can't talk about
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  Speaker 1: can you talk? Can you talk? Because I'll give I'll
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  Speaker 1: give a little something. I mean, but you know, so
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  Speaker 1: one of one of the projects that we've that we've
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  Speaker 1: worked on was with the NBA where um just being
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  Speaker 1: able to improve that NBA viewing experience. And one of
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  Speaker 1: the things that that augmented reality presents is the ability
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  Speaker 1: to deal with alumetric data. So what you were referring
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  Speaker 1: to earlier about having a meeting with somebody in London
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  Speaker 1: that seemingly was right next to you, you know, that's
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  Speaker 1: that's a that's that was most likely a volumetric capture.
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  Speaker 1: But imagine being able to do that with a tennis
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  Speaker 1: match or an NBA game where on your tabletop you
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  Speaker 1: can see the entire court of a of a Lakers
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  Speaker 1: game and all the players are doing their highlights and
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  Speaker 1: everything right in front of you, and it's it's a
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  Speaker 1: completely different viewing experience. You shook your head. You still
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  Speaker 1: was like an oh, You're like, yeah, yeah, I still
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  Speaker 1: hadn't figured that out yet, but I'm working with Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes you forget like we I mean, we've done so
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  Speaker 1: much stuff. It's you know, sometimes you forget some what
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  Speaker 1: some of your favorite projects were and how it's going
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  Speaker 1: to evolve. Uh, the game. Like if you can imagine
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  Speaker 1: a team watching film and they got to sit in
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  Speaker 1: the room and watch the film. But you know, why
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  Speaker 1: not walk onto a court and you know, you size
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  Speaker 1: up the data and instead of watching the play, you
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  Speaker 1: can relive the play. Again, Let's step through what each
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  Speaker 1: person saw from their perspective, because a lot of the
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  Speaker 1: times people are you know, making calls from the stands
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  Speaker 1: or from the bench, but they don't see what the
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  Speaker 1: players see. Um. And you can go through frame by
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  Speaker 1: frame from that player's perspective and just stand there and
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  Speaker 1: watch how play is developing. You know that could kind
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  Speaker 1: of change the game. But um, when you start to
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  Speaker 1: see you know, we all know how big sports are um.
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  Speaker 1: And and you know leads like the NBA or some
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  Speaker 1: of the most forward thinking uh in the world, but
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  Speaker 1: you know there's always people behind the scenes bringing this
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  Speaker 1: technology for it. UH. And so you know, like Hans
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  Speaker 1: was saying, it all starts with exposure. UM, who's going
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  Speaker 1: to be leading that charge? Uh? And like you said,
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  Speaker 1: like you were talking about for a trand and dealing
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  Speaker 1: with those languages, and we were doing C and C
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  Speaker 1: plus plus and you know, react and all this new stuff. Um.
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  Speaker 1: But you know we had to learn it in our
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  Speaker 1: later years. You know, imagine what it would be like
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  Speaker 1: if a kid grows up with it, right, right, It's
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  Speaker 1: no different than when when kids started to grow up
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  Speaker 1: with basketball. And now we're having these generational talents that
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  Speaker 1: developed the skill over time. You know, the same thing
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  Speaker 1: can happen with programming and learning these languages. Because you know,
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  Speaker 1: when when these kids were taught the game, nobody expected
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  Speaker 1: them to evolve the game they the way they did. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And when kids grow up with this coding and they
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  Speaker 1: start to bring their flavor to it, um, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like like we do. UM. You know, that's what's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be exciting and that's what's really gonna drive the technology forward. Um.
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  Speaker 1: And also you know, elevate our involvement in it because
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  Speaker 1: we consume it and you know, but we're not creating
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  Speaker 1: it as much as we should be, right. You know.
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  Speaker 1: Really interesting that you know when I in the early
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  Speaker 1: in my college life, you know, I was really in
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  Speaker 1: the computer science and you know, eventually got my degree
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  Speaker 1: in mathematics. Um. You know, physics had something to do
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  Speaker 1: with that. I just couldn't get past physics, guys. Physics
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  Speaker 1: was like problems physics. I could not get to that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the train leaves at one o'clock and the
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  Speaker 1: other train leaves north at two o'clock. What time they're
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  Speaker 1: a run. I could never get that exact arrival time,
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  Speaker 1: so so I wouldntmit publicly. I got one fl on
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  Speaker 1: my transcript with physics. Then I realized, you know something
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  Speaker 1: get out of that. You know math, I went through three.
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  Speaker 1: I went through Calculus one, two and three without a book,
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  Speaker 1: so I knew math. I was over there fiddling around
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  Speaker 1: with somebody said would be fiddling around with. But one
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  Speaker 1: thing I did enjoy about computer science was that it
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  Speaker 1: was like birth in life, because you you're taking an
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  Speaker 1: idea and you can you can animate it, you can
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  Speaker 1: redirect it, you can you can create with it. That
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  Speaker 1: was the most are able part of that. You know.
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  Speaker 1: The thing about it when I look at young kids,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they look at entertainers, they see dollars, they
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  Speaker 1: see big houses that look at you know, they look
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  Speaker 1: at athletes, they see dollars, they big big houses. They
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  Speaker 1: don't see the injuries to the athletes or the athletes
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  Speaker 1: who don't make it to the dollars in the big houses.
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  Speaker 1: So when I went to SO, I have to ask
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  Speaker 1: this question, is that money to be made and what
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  Speaker 1: you guys are doing very much? So absolutely, UM. I
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  Speaker 1: think it's one of those things where, UM we call
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  Speaker 1: it quiet money a lot of the times because it's
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  Speaker 1: it when you're when we're going to meetings and we're
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  Speaker 1: meeting people that are behind the scenes at a Facebook
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  Speaker 1: or UM like a Google like those people aren't as
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  Speaker 1: forward facing as athletes and entertainers, but those are the
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  Speaker 1: people that are that are enabling the athletes and entertainers
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  Speaker 1: to kind of put themselves out there. Like one of
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  Speaker 1: the one of the biggest revelations that UM we would
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  Speaker 1: try to tell people. It's just like, hey, um, have
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  Speaker 1: you ever heard of a company UM called AWS at
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  Speaker 1: Amazon Web Service and most I think just recently they
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  Speaker 1: started doing commercials for the first time. For the longest time,
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  Speaker 1: people that aren't in tech didn't really know what they were.
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  Speaker 1: But those guys basically control what is it here about
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  Speaker 1: sixty or of all the websites that that control control
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  Speaker 1: my okay, definitely up there as well. As my email blast. Okaymils, Okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but like you said, those are the people behind the scenes, right, Like, um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, there's no no knock on sports and UH
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  Speaker 1: and entertainment. But I had a teacher in high school.
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  Speaker 1: He used to always tell us more people get struck
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  Speaker 1: by lightning every year than make it to the NBA, right,
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  Speaker 1: And so you're you're talking about out you know, point
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  Speaker 1: one zero zero one percent of everyone who plays basketball
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  Speaker 1: can make it to to that pinnacle level. I don't
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  Speaker 1: really like that comparison. I don't want to get struck
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  Speaker 1: by lightning, you know, I don't want to be you know,
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  Speaker 1: I understand that's a painful way to realize you can't accomplish.
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  Speaker 1: But what you can always say, like I've never known
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  Speaker 1: anyone that got struck by lightning, And that kind of
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  Speaker 1: puts it in perspective, like, um, you don't even know
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  Speaker 1: someone who knows somebody who's gotten struck by so um.
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  Speaker 1: But a lot of the times that's kind of what's
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  Speaker 1: fed to UH, to our communities because that's what they see,
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  Speaker 1: you know, It's it's part of the it's part of
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  Speaker 1: the persona of an entertainer or an athlete um to
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  Speaker 1: show that stuff. It's part of the character, it's part
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  Speaker 1: of you know, what they have to sell, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and that's all cool. I mean, I have a crazy
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  Speaker 1: sneaker collection. I love this stuff. There's artistry and if
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  Speaker 1: there's all this stuff and people kind of bring their
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  Speaker 1: style to it. But um, you know, the biggest, the
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  Speaker 1: most outwardly facing tech person that we have right now
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  Speaker 1: is probably Elon Musk because he sort of understands and
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  Speaker 1: he openly smoke week right, And it's like, but but
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  Speaker 1: what people, what we're trying to push is you know,
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of people in tech that make great money.
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  Speaker 1: Like you know when you look at the owners of
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  Speaker 1: most of these teams, and a lot of them made
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  Speaker 1: money in the dot com yeah, like own Cisco and
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  Speaker 1: Google and like all these different teams, like people's favorite teams,
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  Speaker 1: favorite players play for teams. At these people aren't um.
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  Speaker 1: And then you look at the Forbes list every year
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  Speaker 1: who's the most richest people's you know, telecom people old money.
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  Speaker 1: But there's a lot of people in there that our
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  Speaker 1: our new money, tech money, right um. And so there's
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of pieces to that pie and all
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  Speaker 1: it takes is. Uh, like like you said, exposure. Um,
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  Speaker 1: but you know we we understand who we were kids once. Um.
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  Speaker 1: You know we're watching Michael Jordan's on TV and were
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  Speaker 1: watching the Shoes Anywhere, and we want the shoes. Um,
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  Speaker 1: So you know there's something to be said about how
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  Speaker 1: it's presented. Um, when we were growing up, it's like,
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  Speaker 1: oh the nerds with the coding and the computers and
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  Speaker 1: all that. Uh it's not so much that way anymore now, um,
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  Speaker 1: but you know there's something to be said about that presentation.
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  Speaker 1: So so Harry, how could that change that? How could
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  Speaker 1: I could make y'all cool? Man? I cannot make y'all.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the life of the party all y'all Life
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  Speaker 1: of the part I just don't see it. Adds. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean I think I think that peace, it's it's
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  Speaker 1: a lot, a lot of that is happening. But you
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  Speaker 1: know that people don't know what they do. And I
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  Speaker 1: think I think a lot of what Harold and I
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  Speaker 1: are trying to do is to at least get get
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  Speaker 1: more exposure to the to this space, especially to two
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  Speaker 1: kids at a young age, so they so they grow
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  Speaker 1: up with it instead of trying to learn it. In
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  Speaker 1: college saying like, hey, I have an app idea, but
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  Speaker 1: I have no way of building it. Let me let
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  Speaker 1: me try to take classes to to be able to
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  Speaker 1: do stuff. Understanding it at a base level, just like
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  Speaker 1: we understand English at a base level is what we
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  Speaker 1: what we need to have, especially for for our community,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: because no, we we we clearly drive a lot of
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: a lot of progress on the on the pops culture stage,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: just in in society in general, and just being able
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: to further establish ourselves in an area that we don't
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: have to go outside of the community to get stuff done.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: That that would just make make things ki rocket. Here,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: we'll be right back with more Money Making Conversations Masterclass
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: with Rushan McDonald. Now, let's return to Money Making Conversations
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Masterclass with Rashan McDonald. Well, you know, it's really really
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: a very serious I talked about because marketing and branded
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: is what I do. Both of you guys are good
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: looking guys. I could actually interview guys individually because you're
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: both were very articulate, very got something to say. As
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: they say, you know, y'all not want more answer, guys.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: You know there Harold he lived to talk Erica talk
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: that he might like he might drift off a little bit,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: but Harold, okay, y'all and uh but you know so
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: so when I look at y'all, you know, we have
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Venus and Serena Williams. You know, they were two megastars
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: and tennis and they're leaning on each other for success.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: They had somebody to turn to in a very world
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: as stereotype black people. You know, they went into environments
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: that said, okay, you here, but we're only accepting you
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: because of your talents as an athlete. And you guys
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: are walking into an environment is very stereotype driven, you know,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: and some people people are really say you're not supposed
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: to be there, or if you're there, they don't expect
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: you to be able to deliver the goods. How do
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: you deal with that? And is it because is there
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: a success? A lot of your success tied of the
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: fact that you are siblings. Well, I mean the so
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: the first thing I'll say is the one thing that
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: I like about this field. It's a lot of it
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: is merit based, right can you do it or can
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: you not do it? And if you can do it,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: and a team will accept you with open arms because
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: you're able to solve a problem that they need solved, right. So, um,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: that's that's what kind of driven a lot of Harold
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: and eyes Um work ethic where it's like, hey, let's
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: let's figure out how to learn this stuff because we
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: can just walk in and instantly contribute and and we'll
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: be we'll get the respect that we need. Yeah, and
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: and also you know, but I heard Harold and Hi
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Eye though you know what I'm saying. That's something that
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: sibling that ability to reach back and look at somebody
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: who had your back or be able to communicate. Do
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: you see what I see? Do you know what they're
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: talking and being able to turn to somebody can go,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: hey man, let's go let's go get this straight. Let's
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: show them what we can do. You know, you know,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: you know you know what I'm saying because I heard
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: them say Harold and I And that's why I was
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: just talking about Venus Serenia. Venus and Serena had each
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: other's back when people told them they couldn't do it.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: And you know, I know you say the word married bass.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: They were, they were number one and two in the world.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: They in fact reached the finals of Grand Slam, all
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: four Grand Slams in one year, they wouldn't final and
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: they were saying that they are going to ruin tennants
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: because they are too dominant. So every people, everybody always
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: has an excuse and so and I'm not saying there's
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: no excuse in there. But what always frustrates me is
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: that you know, when you're a minority, the rules change.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: You know, the rules started siding, and the acceptability and
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: the credibility and you accomplishments can be watered down. That's
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: what annoys me. And so when I when I had
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: an opportunity to interview you guys, I I jumped at
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: it because you're the You're, You're the future stars, You're
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: you You're the You're the space at that You're the
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: You're you know You're, You're out Today's hidden figures that
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: need to be moved to the front of the line.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Because when you were talking, because I have been fortunate
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: to see a version and live a version of the
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: last three years of what you guys are doing, and
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: I'm stunned. I was actually stunned when this guy was
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: sitting next to me on my phone, next to me
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: on my front porch, and I knew he was in London,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: and so a lot of people can't wrap their head
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: around there. Harold, how does that work for you guys
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: being siblings? Uh? Well, you know it's funny that to
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: bring up being since Serena and then you know that
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: that movie King Richard just came out. Uh, and you
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: know it starts with the parents, right. The parents kind
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: of set us up, um and and gave us these opportunities.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: But we were always really competitive. Um. I know a
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: lot of siblings really butt heads a lot, um, and
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: we did just in a competitive way. We'd be playing
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: video games and getting into it who's winning, and you know,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: somebody would start winning for a week, then that other
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: one is gonna go go in the lab, you know,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: try to get better. And you know, so we kept
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: elevating each other through our competition. Uh. And then you
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: know it was much easier for me because Hans was
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: you know, the prototype. I got to watch him. It's
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: like watching myself two years ahead. Um. He would go
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: through things and go to you know, high school, college,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: the process, like all of those different things. Um, you
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: know he went through and I was always right there
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: and I could sort of see what was going on,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: and I could sort of follow in those footsteps, and
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: I can get through much easier because it's always much
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: easier to do something the second time than it is
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: the first time. UM. And so, but we we also
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: work well together, like things that I'm good at, he's
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: better at, things that he's good at I'm better at,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: and we rather than kind of diverging, we kind of
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: use that uh to to help elevate each other and
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: and bring that uh you know into the places that
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: we work. You know, it's just people always take a
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: liking to us. We're always together, and we're always trying
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: to just produce the best product, trying to do the
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: best at whatever it is that we're doing. UM. But
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: a lot of people don't understand, you know, going back
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: to what you were saying that, you know, they don't
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: understand how great we have to be. And I say
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: we as in you know, people of color, especially in
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: industries like these, like do you have to be great
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: every day just to get uh, you know, just to
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: get the credibility that people get for you know, being regular. Um.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: And And that pushes us a lot too, because one
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: when we run into issues, we we kind of know
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: how we have to prepare that next generation. We think
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: that's really important. UM. But also you know, we're able
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: to see things from multiple different perspectives. UH. And you know,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: we have friends in the industry, people of color, and
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: we've had we've all had these discussions and we can
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: see what they're dealing with, and they see what we're
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: dealing with, and even people we work with, UM. And
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: so we know how how important diversity is and we
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: try to foster a work environment where you know that
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: isn't the case. UM. So when you have a person
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: of color at a company that's a CEO and you
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: have you know, people all throughout the structure, UM. Because
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: getting getting people of color into these companies the one thing,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: but how far do they go? UM? And so that
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: that's been a mission of ours. And we've had the
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: full support of you know, our CEO, our board UM,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: and they give us an opportunity to just do what
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: we do, but also too to help bring others up
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: as well. UH. And so you know that's that's constantly
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: the mission, UM, is to to kind of expose that.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: And when people see us as a team, UM, you
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: know one, you know, they are surprised that brothers can
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: work so well together. But also it's just another person
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: that made it right, that that's doing what it is
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: that we do um and we can spread our wings
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: further that way rather than trying to hold each other back.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: We'll be right back with more Money Making Conversations Masterclass
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: with Rushan McDonald. Now let's return to Money Making Conversations
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Masterclass with Rushan mcdone. I'm talking to Harold and the Hans.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: They're the because I want to say, two dominant voices
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: and the augmented world and also the virtual reality the world. Hey, guys,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: you know, I just want to say, man, this this
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: interview is a It's a good interview for me, but
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: it's I gotta bring you all back individually because of
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: the fact that your stories are just uniquely as the
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: pairing of you guys being siblings, because your journeys are different,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: like I said, two years separated, but it also tells
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: a different tale of how you approach this whole world,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: you know, but then but then join it. The hip thing,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: that sibling thing is powerful, man, and don't let nobody
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: break it. But more importantly, I'm just happy you guys
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: took the time to come on Money Making Conversation masterclass,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: because what y'all doing is something that I have I've
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: lived all my life. Sometimes when I tell people have
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: a mathew, if I tell people got a math degree
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: of the day, they go WHOA. So I know what
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: I've accomplished in my past still carries a lot of
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: weight forty years later. And so, and with that being said,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: you guys are in the middle of it. My daughter,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: she's her degree is gonna be in game design, So
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna get to watch her venture into
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: your world and also get her to hopefully become a
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: star in your world because you know, daddy, don't, don't
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: don't play the stereotype game. You know. I'm I'm I'm
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: gonna break through the glass ceiling type guy. I do
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: it through um diplomacy, I do, but I do it
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: through also being organized and have a plan of action.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: You guys have done it with your plan of action.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: I want to thank you all for coming on money
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: making conversation. Man. Y'all incredible by the way. Yeah, and
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: you know it's it's cool as you say that too. Um,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that we've we've dealt with. UM.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: You mentioned Kipper and Limitless at the beginning of the show,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: and that's kind of what started to drive this mission
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: even more. Uh. You know, we're showing some uh we
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: got called in to show some kids some virtual reality stuff,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: some of the games that we're working on. And we
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: walked in and we see a team of kids, um,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: you know, in this Limitless program and they're all coding
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: and I'm talking like second grade, third grade, fourth grade, right,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: and their coding and you know, we're learning about these
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: kids and we were more amazed by them than they
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: were by us. And we're watching these kids. They've been
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: entering these robotics competitions, getting better every year. Uh, and
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: they're using this the Kipper curriculum, um. And we're like, yo,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: how do we get this to more people? You know?
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: And so uh we started working with them to uh
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: to build this robot simulator that can teach a kid
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: how to code without being in a classroom. Right. We
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: know kids are playing video games. You say, your daughters
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: in the game design she I'm pretty sure she she
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: plays video game that's kids in off the right. Then
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: we're like, how can we pulling this curriculum, you know,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: put the medicine in with the candy and teach them
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: how to code was something that they want to do anyway.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: So now we're not chasing them to go into a classroom,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: you know, we're saying, hey, just play this game, you know,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: play with your friends, play online, go through uh these missions,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: go through these challenges, go through the story, and before
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: they know it, they're solving problems coding. Right. And so
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: this this robot simulator that that we're working on, that
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: we're raising money for, we think and it's specifically targeted uh,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: you know, two people of color, inner city kids, uh,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: you know, make reducing that barrier to entry so that
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: people understand, like, hey, this is gonna be like a
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: second language to them, just like social media. Like kids
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: growing up with social media, they can run circles around, um,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: the old people trying to be on something media. Right. Um.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: So if we can get this simulator into these schools,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: into people's hands and have kids go through this curriculum
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: without necessarily realizing, they're going through a tried and true curriculum,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: and we feel like we can start to to plant
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: the seeds uh in our communities and and kids are
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: gonna you know, grow these skills and and really uh
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: start to increase our our power in this industry, our
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: presence in this industry. So you know, if we can
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: get more kids in tech, more kids in video games,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: and we'll be able to tell our stories and uh
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: create the tech of the future. So you know when
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: we still read about oh you watch this stream or
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: you watch certain things that you do, certain things like
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: oh that was created co created by a black person,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: or that was created by this person like you said
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: the hidden figures, um and yeah, all right, are you
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: just let her hard talk? Man? You talk for three
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: straight minutes. I just want that to I told he
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: could talk, boy and anybody to go on. He about
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: to go on, but I appreciate that about that. I
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: gotta bring you all by separately. Han, I want you
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: to I want you to to. You wanted to say
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: a couple of things because Harold, that motivation and inspiration
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: come and to you the man. You know, you know,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm you know I would I would. I graduated
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: high school in nineteen seventy six, Okay, and so it
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: took me seven years to graduate from college because I
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: didn't know what I wanted to do. When I look
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: at my daughter in game design, she doesn't listen to
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: the music I listened to. She can't care less about dancing,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: she can look at listen about being social. She's focused.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: You can't care less about the walking around in Taylor clothes.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. She her phone works, she
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: got she got uh, you know, a surface, she got
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: an iPhone, she got a laptop that she does all
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: her game design. And she has a MacBook so she
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: got all the tekens. So she's happy. Is she can
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: be because she she can do an edit and everything.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: But the numb more thing that when you look at
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: these things hard, you know, when you when you realize
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: that you you you stepped out into a world that
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: was so different than what was expected of you. What
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: makes you smile? I mean just just being able to enjoy,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: like what what what you're doing? Like at the at
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: the core of all of this right now, it's like
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: I grew up playing games. I love I love playing games. Uh.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: It's it's an escape, but it's also an avenue for
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: problems like learning, problem solving, improving yourself, keeping your mind sharp.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: And I think it's getting to the point where more
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: and more of the mainstream is realizing the benefits of
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: that kind of interaction and the fact that we can
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: use that as a as a way to teach people
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: at a younger age that there's value in this and
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: that it can be valuable from a fund stand point,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: and it can be valuable from a career standpoint. Being
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: able to go to work and enjoy what you do
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: and be able to share that with people on a
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: on a grand scale, it's just exciting and you know,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: just being able to take the workout off and then
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: still enjoy enjoy that that piece from a from a
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: just I'm just relaxing and just wanna I want to
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: escape for a bit, right. It's great. You know, guys,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: I'm talking to uh. If you want to put a
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: sports comparison, talking to the Michael Jordan and Lebron of
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: what they do, just put put the right hats on
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: it to see. As I wrap up to you, I
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: hate when people, when I meet people like these two guys,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: they said, you know, we were just playing video game.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: I'm just doing what I love. I'm gonna tell you something.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: I could play video game, but it reached the point
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: where my skills set love. What's gonna keep it going?
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: I just had the skill set and I didn't happen.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: So I always have to push people back like YouTube
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: and let y'all know how brilliant you are and how
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: different y'all are. Y'all can be in awe because at
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: the at a young age, you're seeing what if I
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: could have done that at their age, what I could
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: have been at my age. That's the all part that y'are.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: But what's making it possible is that they can see y'all. Y'all,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: y'all in results now. So I didn't have an end
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: results like you guys when I was playing game. I
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: didn't have a haunt and a herald to go. Man,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: I could be like those two guys. Look at him, Wow,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: they look just like me. So know that when I
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: say that, I don't say that in a in a
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: joking manner. I'm just labeling y'all correctly. Man, when you
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: stand out in the field, that separates you. When I
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: look at that, I look at Lebron on that Tonal commercial,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: bro the thirty years, My body didn't look like that.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: The thirty eight Come on that, y'all body probably don't
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: look like that now. Okay, they look gonna be weird.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: You know, you know Jordan, you know he still has
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: the most popular shoe basketball shot out there, Michael Jordan.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: It's almost sixty and so being relevant and uh, I
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: just want to tell you, man, do not undersetill y'all brilliance. Man,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: you guys can share that little corny story that we're
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: just doing what we love. Now, y'all have beyond doing
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: what you love because love. I love to play video games,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: but it hit I hit a wall with my talents,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: just like I hit a wall with my talents with physics,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: and I had to go to a different direction. God
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  Speaker 1: gave y'all a gift, man, and I'm I'm I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: stick with y'all. Man, I'm gonna standing communication with you
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  Speaker 1: guys to brother. I want to be there when y'all
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  Speaker 1: start breaking the next ceiling of opportunity for people of color,
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  Speaker 1: my daughter, everybody, because y'all the next stars, man, y'all,
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  Speaker 1: the next future. You know, when y'all get fifty, man,
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  Speaker 1: you know, y'all, y'all, y'all, they're gonna have award shows
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  Speaker 1: with y'all with trouthes with y'all names on them. Okay, okay,
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Now hopefully, hopefully, you know, the people
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  Speaker 1: that are giving us those awards are people that we
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  Speaker 1: help get said. Oh, don't worry, brother, You know, you
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  Speaker 1: know my life has been interested man, because you know,
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  Speaker 1: I had a birthday the other day, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, people always text me, man, thank me
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  Speaker 1: saying what I did for their lives, what they like,
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  Speaker 1: how I made a difference in there, And I was
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  Speaker 1: just being Rashawn, you know, just like I'm being Rashawn
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  Speaker 1: with you guys right now. I'm gonna tell you how
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  Speaker 1: I think you can take it however you want to
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  Speaker 1: take it. But I'm telling you the truth. Stop acting
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  Speaker 1: like y'all regular be the stars who y'all are. Y'all
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  Speaker 1: are doing stuff. Man, I can only just admire. I can't.
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  Speaker 1: I can't even cover here. I can pick up this phone,
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  Speaker 1: I can dial it, but like y'all can take this
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  Speaker 1: phone and do something else with and I go, really,
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  Speaker 1: that's the same phone I got. Wow. So I'm just
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  Speaker 1: telling you exercise your brilliance and don't let it be
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  Speaker 1: understood by anybody, even in an interview. And it's and
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  Speaker 1: it's the thing I do I call bragging acknowledging your greatness.
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  Speaker 1: Continue to acknowledge your greatness fellows, because you're all very
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