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Pemi Loop Breakdown & Run Mountain Peaks · Run Mountain Peaks

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All right, welcome back to another episode of Run Mountain
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Peaks. If you're watching this, you may
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be wondering like, hey, this is not your normal studio setup.
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What's going on? I was robbed.
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No. Well, actually kind of this week
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at work, broad daylight Canal Street in Manchester, Somebody
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Hacked Off my catalytic converter and like half of my
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exhaust pipe. So I'm in a rental and it is
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it's actually a brand new 2025. I think it's called Ram Master.
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So it's a RAM and it's just like an empty cargo van.
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The thing is huge. When I first was driving, I was
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like, this is like a bus. But yeah, so we're in the van
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today. So special van edition.
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I didn't trade my entire life in and go van life, although this
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is giving me little thoughts, but no.
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So we're in the van today and we got a few things on the that
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we're going to chat about. S 1st up is the Pemi loop and
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specifically the Pemi loop FKT. There were a couple FKT goes
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recently. So we're going to talk through
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some of the times, look at maybe a couple different splits, and
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then I'm just going to talk about like how I think about
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running a fast Pemi loop. So we'll talk about the Pemi.
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I'm going to talk a little bit more about Run Mountain Peaks
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and kind of why I started Run Mountain Peaks and like where I
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think maybe it's headed because I feel like I'm still pretty new
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IT, you know, the podcast, the YouTube channel and stuff.
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So I'm going to talk about that a little bit.
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Going to talk about deer hunting, which is some people
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are going to be like, what? Huh.
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Yeah, going to talk a little bit about deer hunting and then
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Bubba's happened last weekend, so we're going to run through
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the results. I did a little bit of a preview
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last week and I talked a little bit about last man standing
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stuff. So we'll just run through the
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results of Bubba's and that'll be kind of wrap up actually.
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Also, I'm going to have a little Tecumseh story too at the end.
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I ran Tecumseh last week, rolled my ankle, which luckily is doing
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better now. And then I have a little
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Tecumseh was the 1st 4K ever did.
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So I'll tell that story briefly. So that's what we got on the
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agenda today. So the Pemi Loop, the Pemi Loop,
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FKT, one of the premier FKTS in the White Mountains.
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And I think over time, there's been a lot of, in the last
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handful of years, there's been a ton of action on the Pemi Loop.
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A ton of sluggers have came out and run super fast times on it.
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And I think that time is just so, so stout at this point.
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And so recently David Sinclair, who I feel like had a huge year,
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popped onto the scene second at CCC this year, which is just
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insane. He ran the boot spur throw down
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earlier this year and did a crazy VK on that.
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Just a world class runner. He came out and ran a 536 in
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change on the Pemi loop, I think in the past week.
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So just blazing Matt Chorney came out in the last I think
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month and he ran a 537. So both within 10 minutes of the
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FKT. So I think it's, yeah, good time
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to talk about the the Pemi loop and kind of how I think about
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it. So there's kind of two FKTS for
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the Pemi loops. And this is, I'm going to
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specifically talk about the men's time because there's been
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a lot more, I think recent goes on the men's Pemi loop.
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The women's is I think about 6:30, Britta Clark.
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And she's had that for a while, so also super stout.
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But yeah, today we're going to talk about some of the men's
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times. So the supported men's time is
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Jordan Fields. I think you ran it in 2019 or
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2020. And I think the story goes he
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was with a buddy and they kind of went out on a training run.
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They were going to run the Pemi loop and up at like Bon Cliff
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and they started for a, for a training run.
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They were running very fast at the beginning, but at Bon Cliff
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he was like, wow, we're we're running like pretty fast.
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We're on pace. I'm going to try to get the FKT.
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And so he went for it that day, ended up finishing.
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But because he ran it with somebody for the 1st 8 miles or
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whatever, it's technically a supported effort.
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So it's he ran a 527 and on the FKT website it's technically
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supported even though it wasn't like he had like aid stations or
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like drop bags or anything like that.
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It was just he ran with somebody at the beginning, was feeling
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good and then he went for it. And then the unsupported time,
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Jack Kenzel came and ran this I think a little bit after Jordan,
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a year or so after Jordan, he ran like a 535.
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So he missed Jordan's time, but technically got a new
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unsupported FKT. And then a couple years after
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that, maybe one year, maybe 2, Jake Acedo, a local New
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Hampshire guy, came out and ran a 532.
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So Jake has the unsupported FKT on the Pemi loop.
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And yeah, so a couple recent times, so 5 thirties, 2 five 30s
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recently came, came super, super close.
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But I think we can talk about yeah, so we can talk about some
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of the goes. The Pammi loop has had a ton of
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action over the last handful of years.
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So Jack came out and ran it and then after Jack came out, you
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had I think David Hedges got really close.
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He was like a minute or two off the unsupported time.
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I think Eric Lipuma came out and ran it.
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David Sinclair just ran it. Matt Chorney just ran it.
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I don't know if Jack came and ran it again the year, the year
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after, after he got the time to try to go for Jordan's again.
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But just huge name sluggers, like elite world class runners
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have come out and and really gone for Jordan's time.
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Oh, and Jake Acito, who has the FKT, he's super fast.
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I think he ran it like maybe one or two more times after he set
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the unsupported to go for Jordan's time again and he
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missed. So it's just a super tough
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route. And I think it goes to show like
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Jordan running that time kind of like on a whim is just so
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insane. I mean, he, he, he is a crazy
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good runner, crazy good athlete. If you look at some of his times
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that he's ran on things, it's just, it's just insane.
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He had the Prezi in the Hut traverse before Jack came in and
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and got it. If you look at I think you ran
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Shakura a couple times and just, you know, won by like 7 or 8
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minutes. So Jordan feels just a stud.
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I think he moved out West. So I don't think he's local
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anymore, but I think it just goes to show like when you have
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that many elite guys come out and go for the same time and
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just time after time come up short, it just it really puts a
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ton of legitimacy and and kind of lore on on that time.
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So yeah, will the FKT ever get broken for the Pemi loop?
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I think like all records, eventually, one day it will get
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broken. But is it going to be in a year,
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five years, 10 years? Who knows?
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Yeah, who knows? Although, and we're going to
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talk about David, David Sinclair's recent effort.
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I think he he mentioned, so he ran a 537.
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I think he said he ran it counterclockwise and that like
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flume or something. He kind of, he was just bonking,
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took a minute instead of bombing down the last descent before
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finishing. And I think he said maybe he'll
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have time in the next month. He might come back and try it.
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So it could go down in a month because he did have a really,
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really good effort. I think if he didn't start
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bonking, he would have been would have been close to
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Jordan's time. But I think it's kind of the
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story of the Pemi loop. Everybody ends up bonking.
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I know when Jordan, I don't know if it's in his write up or
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podcast that he's talked about it.
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He pretty much said, you know, I don't know if he had his like
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the correct fuel that he would have if he raced it, you know,
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when he did it on a whim. But at the end of the route
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coming down Flume Hughes bonking, he gets down to the
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Lincoln Woods Trail, which is like a mile and 1/2 from the
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from the end. And he like stopped and had to
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like dip his hat in the head and everything in the river because
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he was just like bonking, overheating, you know, instead
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of running, doing that instead of running one mile to kind of
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get that time even a little bit lower.
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So, and I'm not, I'm not sure it added that much time, but I
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think it just goes to show like people go all out and at the end
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you're going to be hurting. And so I think it's just a tough
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route. So let's talk about the route
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itself. There's 2.
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So obviously it's a loop. It starts at the Lincoln Woods
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trailhead. You go over the bridge.
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I think the, the, the Strava segment or the official start
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point of the FKT is like the bridge on the parking lot side.
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So that's where you start. And it's a loop.
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So you can go clockwise or counterclockwise and you can
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pretty much choose and depending on, you know, maybe your
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strengths are what you think, I think there's reasons to go each
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direction. And so we're going to talk about
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those. So if you start out clockwise,
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we'll start with clockwise. You have about a mile and a half
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run to the Osseo Trail, and then you take the Osseo Trail up to
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Flume and then you go northbound on Franconia Ridge Trail up to
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Lafayette, northbound on the Garfield Ridge Trail.
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So you go up Garfield, you descend kind of that waterfall Y
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section on Garfield and then go over to Galehead and then you
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have that steep climb from Galehead Hut to South Twin.
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And then you kind of have smoother running over to like
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Bonds. You go over Bond Cliff and then
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and then you have kind of a smooth descent down Bond Cliff
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and then you get hit with the 6-7 miles of just Lincoln Woods
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rail bed flat easy running. And so that's clockwise.
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And I think the pros and cons. So a couple things to think
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about. Obviously you have like a six or
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seven mile stretch of really easy running on the Lincoln
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Woods Trail. So going clockwise, you do that
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last and if you go counter clockwise, you do that first.
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And so I think that's one of the big things to think about.
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Do you want to start and and tick the miles away at the
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beginning or do you want that for the end when your legs are
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kind of already dead? And then another thing is water.
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So there's not between, if you're going clockwise between a
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start in between Garfield, there is pretty much no water unless
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it's like super rainy and and little streams and stuff are
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going across the trails. There's no like super reliable
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water source. So you have to pretty much start
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off with water for a, you know, like 3 hours, which on a faster
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effort, maybe like 2 to 3 hours. And it's something to think
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about because you can, if you go clockwise, you start with more
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water and you start climbing as opposed to running the flats.
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And then at the end, you know, once you hit the Garfield
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Spring. So that would be the first water
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section. Then you have Galehead Hut where
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you get water. There's a couple water sources
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on the bonds and then the Lincoln Woods Trail, you can get
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water there. So I think like the second-half,
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if you go counterclockwise, has a lot of water.
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So it's more like preload water. And then at the end just fill up
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as needed. Going counterclockwise, like I
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said, you get the flats out of the way first while your legs
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are fresh, an easy climb up to Bond Cliff, and then you kind of
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start getting in the more tougher terrain in the
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second-half of the loop. So you had a barn Cliff, you
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head over to Bond S Twin and then you descend that steep S
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twin trail to Galehead Hut, which is going to be steeper and
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slower than kind of going uphill, at least relative paces.
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And then you go southbound on the Garfield Ridge trail.
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And then when you hit that Garfield spring, you pretty much
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have like 12 or 13 miles of no water till the end.
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So at that point, and that terrain is probably a little bit
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tougher. You don't have the Lincoln Woods
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Trail. So it's it's Garfield Ridge,
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Franconia Ridge and then descent down Ostio is is pretty quick,
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but it's steeper than the descent off Bonn Cliff.
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And so it can take a little bit and that's your last chance to
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get water. So if you take a lot of water,
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it's probably going to weigh you down a little bit more.
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If you take a little bit, you might bonk like some of these
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guys at the end of the route. So I think those are the big
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pros and cons. I guess the other pros and cons
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I think about are if you want to go up or down certain sections.
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So a few of like the notable ones that I think about from
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Lafayette to when you're when you from Lafayette to Garfield,
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I guess descending, descending Lafayette towards Garfield,
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we'll call it that is a pretty big descent slash ascent.
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It's pretty rocky, pretty technical.
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So if you are going clockwise, you have to go down that and if
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you're going counterclockwise, you go up it.
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So I don't think that it's one of those super steep like you
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can't descend really fast on it, but it is technical.
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It is a long downhill that you're going to have, and then
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if you're going counterclockwise and you go up it, you're going
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to have a big climb. You know you're going to have a
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bigger climb when your legs are tired, kind of like halfway
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through the road. So I think that's one section.
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Would you rather climb up to Lafayette when your legs are
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tired or would you rather kind of descend down a pretty long,
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steep, rocky, slower section of descent?
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I think another one on the Garfield Ridge Trail is
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descending from Garfield towards Galehead Hut.
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It's kind of like just this waterfall that pretty much you
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descend down. It's not long.
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It's maybe like a couple 100 feet.
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So it's not super long, but it is like it's usually running
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water. The rocks are wet, slippery, and
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I think climbing up that going counterclockwise is going to be
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faster than going down it clockwise in like relative
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terms. So I guess what I'm saying
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relative terms, the way that I pace efforts and I don't know if
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this is the correct way, but I think about miles invert and how
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much like of that I can do per hour.
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And if I'm climbing up something steep and rocky, my miles
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invert, you know, are pretty good because you're going slower
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when you're going uphill. So you have more time to like
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adjust to the kind of technical terrain and it doesn't slow you
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down as much. But when you're going downhill,
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you're not really gaining any vertical.
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So it's just straight. Your pace is kind of what like
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what you're making on the route. And so if it's really steep and
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really rocky, like in the Whites, you could be running
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1520 minute miles on some of these crazy sections downhill,
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like running cadence. And so if you're not getting
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vert down and you're going 3 miles an hour on a really fast
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effort, like it's really not going to be kind of beneficial.
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So for me, if I have really, really technical sections, I
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always try to climb those if I can, if I think it makes sense.
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So that's another technical section.
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The next technical section would be S Twin.
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So between Galehead Hut and South Twin, if you're going
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clockwise, you go up it, so you climb it.
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And then if you're on counterclockwise, you go down
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it. That's another technical
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section. And then I wouldn't say
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technical, but thinking about the Bond Cliff descent slash
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ascent, you got to think that is a really a fast section downhill
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and it can be a fast section uphill.
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It's like pretty runnable for a while and you're just going to
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move faster on that descent. So it's something you got to
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think about. Do I want a fast descent at the
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end or do I want to an easy first climb to like kind of get
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the legs going, you know, not super steep and I can move
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pretty fast on it. So I think those are the major
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sections of the trail that I kind of think about.
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Oh, I guess another section too, that's kind of like it is really
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technical. It's shorter than some of the
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ones we just talked about, but it is technical is going from
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like going down to Bond Cliff essentially like that Ridge as
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you're going towards Bond Cliff from Bond that is super rocky,
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super technical. And if you're going clockwise,
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you go down that towards the end when your legs are obviously
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going to be more fatigued and more more tired.
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And if you're going counterclockwise, you get that
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at the beginning. And like I said, going uphill
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really technical stuff is is quicker than going downhill and
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your legs are going to be fresher.
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So I think water the flat section and then those those few
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steep sections are like things to think about how you want to
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run the Pemi loop. So what are my thoughts?
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I personally think, and I think it depends on your strengths,
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like what you're most comfortable with.
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Like for me, I feel like I'm a better hiker runner on technical
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terrain than I am just like a flat, you know, non-technical or
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like a Roadrunner. I definitely started hiking kind
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of more before I got into really trail running.
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And so I just think I'm better on rocky terrain as opposed to
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flat stuff. So for me, I really, and I don't
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even know if this is like counterintuitive, but I want to
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get the rocky technical stuff that like I'm better on.
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I want that when I'm fresher and feeling good and then at the end
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it's going to just be flat and I'm just going to go like as
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hard as I can. And, and, and whatever I have
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left in the tank, I'll kind of empty it there on the flat
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stuff. Because if I start out on the
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flat stuff, I probably not going to be running as fast as I would
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like to be. Or like it's probably going to
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feel a little bit harder even though I'm not going as fast as
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some of these other guys. And so I'd rather just have it
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like at the end of the effort just because it's kind of my
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weak spot and I'm just like, at that point you're going to be
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tired anyway. So it's not like you have to be
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super sharp. You just have to like go hard.
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So I think that's one of the reasons why I would prefer to do
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it clockwise. I think another one is water
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management. I think I would rather just load
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up water at the beginning and then not have to worry at the
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end of a bonking or anything like that.
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It's just when you have to kind of deal with some of those
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things, like sometimes it doesn't take a ton of time to
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fill bottles and stuff, but like if I were to start lighter going
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counterclockwise and like fill up a few times, I would probably
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mess something up. Like I would get, you know, more
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or less than I was planning to during the effort just because
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I'm stupid, just because when you're running hard, sometimes
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you like you don't think clearly And then not having to worry
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about bonking at the end. Because I really, I don't know
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how much water that I would take from Garfield Spring to get to
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the end. Like I would probably take a
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liter, but I would definitely run out.
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I think. So it's like, do you want to
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take a liter in 1/2 and make sure you have a lot of water or
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do you want to like risk it and hope that you're not like dying
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of thirst coming down it? And so at the beginning.
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So if you go clockwise, then it's just like, all right, I'm
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going to load up on water at the beginning.
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I'm going to drink it quick, get it off me, and then I'll kind of
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just go bottle by bottle after that because I do think
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minimizing weight on these fast efforts is, is definitely,
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definitely a good thing to do. So and then again, you know, I
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think there's technical descents, you know, each way.
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So I don't know, maybe the technical descents are a little
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bit faster if you were to go counterclockwise.
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But just for the Lincoln Woods in the water aspect, I think I
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would prefer clockwise. And so Jack Kenzel had the
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record and he did do it clockwise.
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But Jordan, Jake Acito, David Sinclair, they all went counter
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clockwise. And honestly from people that
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have done the Pemi loop both ways and done it a bunch, like
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from just what I've heard is people prefer counterclockwise.
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So I think I am probably in the minority.
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Part of me is like, I do think for for for myself, I think
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clockwise would probably be faster.
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But I may just be wrong because all these people who you know
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who Jake and Jordan who both have like the 2:00-ish, the two
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records did it counterclockwise. And it just seems like more
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people are running it counterclockwise for speed.
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So I think my declaration, I like clockwise, but
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counterclockwise is probably best, probably best.
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So that's kind of the route, the different directions.
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I do want to talk about a little bit of of the splits and stuff
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on these times. So because the one thing that I
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think about is OK, the person who has the fastest time,
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Jordan, what did he do different than everybody else?
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And I think the one thing that obviously is different is he
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wasn't planning on racing it that day.
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So like in my head is like, does that mean that everybody else
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kind of went out too hard? Does that?
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Is that just like a nerves anxiety thing where people just
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like psyched themselves out like, wow, this is going to be
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really hard and they just don't sleep as good or whatever it is?
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I think there is something to to say about like just having good
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days. Like people could just can just
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have really good days. And it's probably a day that he,
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you know, he was just having a really good day.
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But yeah, I do think about the about the pacing of it a good
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amount. Although I did look at Jordan's
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time. So we can kind of run through
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some of this stuff. But Jordan, I think he said and
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and I listen to like an interview or or something or or
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a write up and I've heard different things on it.
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And I think he just went out on a training run.
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But so I looked at a Shava file. If you could go down his splits
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on Lincoln Woods, his splits go and like each of the 1st 5
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miles, you get about like 100 feet of gain.
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So it's like very flat, but it is some gain.
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He runs a six 5637 minutes 640 on Lincolnwood.
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So those are all like low sixes, 6 gaps, which is very fast.
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So that for me, that is not a casual training run low 6 gaps
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to start it out. So I wouldn't say that Jordan
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was like pacing it super, super slow at the beginning.
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Like he was clearly running very fast.
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But I think probably just his mindset of like, oh, we're just
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out here for a run, like we're feeling good, we're moving
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probably is beneficial in some way to like running a really
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strong time. Because the the other thing I do
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think about and I don't have like all the the paces here.
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So yeah, so this is David Time. So if you look at the paces,
24:57
David Sinclair actually ran those first 5 miles a good bit
25:02
faster than Jordan feels. So he ran six 3628629623 634.
25:09
So those are all, you know, 20 to 30 seconds faster than
25:13
Jordan. So maybe maybe you know, he was
25:16
going out a little bit harder than Jordan, but he's also
25:20
extremely fit, like one of the fittest people in the world.
25:23
So like and and Jordan, Jordan probably is to is to slash was
25:28
to at that time. So those pieces just probably
25:31
don't feel as crazy, but I'm sure like David Sinclair was
25:35
feeling those places at the beginning, like he was going for
25:38
a a fast effort there. So I wonder like, is it because
25:44
Jordan kind of went out smoother at the beginning and then he was
25:47
able to save like going hard for those steep technical sections?
25:52
Because I think when you're on an effort in the whites, moving
25:57
fast over those technical sections can like make or break
26:04
your time, I guess. But like there will be days
26:06
where you feel like, oh, I'm moving over this really smooth.
26:08
And then there are days where you're like, oh, I'm not this.
26:10
The technicality is just slowing me down so much.
26:13
And so for me, like I was saying, the reason that I want
26:15
to run it clockwise is just because I'm going to be more
26:21
fresh for those technical sections where I think are
26:23
probably like where you get the most time made-up.
26:28
That could be one thing, but who knows, who knows.
26:32
I mean it looks like they ran similar times.
26:35
Another thing, I don't have a split up right now and I don't
26:37
have service at the trailhead, but I believe another note, Jack
26:41
when he ran it, so he ran a 535, I think his last 6 miles were he
26:46
average maybe about like a 7 minute, 7 minute pace on the
26:51
Lincoln Woods out. So he went clockwise, which so
26:57
obviously he's doing at the end, these guys are doing at the
26:59
beginning. But he ran kind of like a more
27:03
conservative or not a more conservative, but he definitely
27:06
did the, those 20 miles of the most technical stuff a little
27:09
bit faster, I think. And I, I can't look section by
27:14
section, like it's going to be hard to go section by section.
27:16
So I, I could be wrong, but you know, maybe there is something
27:19
to not going all out on that flat section and saving your
27:27
legs for the technical. And it depends on what your
27:29
strengths are too. Like for me, I'm sure like if
27:32
you're a little bit better on roads or like super fast and
27:35
you've been doing roads for a while, you may like want to get
27:38
that section up first. And that just like won't hurt
27:40
you as much as the other stuff. So I think there's just things
27:44
to think about. And yeah, it's really
27:46
interesting and really cool like that.
27:49
That route is insane. And we'll see.
27:53
We'll see if it ever goes down and if it's in the near future
27:57
here. So I mean, it would be cool if
28:01
David Sinclair gave it another go, but who knows?
28:06
And yeah, I mean, either way, all those times, like, I mean,
28:10
if you run under six hours on on a Pemi loop, you are flying
28:16
anything under 7 hours to is like, is like flying that road
28:21
is super hard, just like a super hard 50K.
28:26
So that was kind of the Pemi loop breakdown.
28:28
Those are my thoughts on the Pemi.
28:30
I want to run a hard Pemi. So I've only done a full Pemi
28:34
actually once. That was one of my first like
28:36
long kind of ultra marathon in the, in the White Mountains.
28:40
It was probably like 4 years ago I ran an 820, so I was just
28:45
getting into it, but I was happy.
28:46
I was happy with that 8:20 at the time and I did kind of want
28:52
to get back to the Pemi loop this year.
28:54
My season didn't go, you know, fully as planned, but I will get
29:01
to doing a hard Pemi at some point in the future.
29:05
Maybe it will be next year, but that was kind of the one of the
29:08
objectives that I had to do this fall, but I did not get to it.
29:15
But the Pemi loop will always be there and I'm going to give it a
29:18
a hard go at some point. All right, so that was the Pemi
29:22
loop, Pemi loop talk. I think the next thing I want to
29:25
talk about was kind of run Mountain peaks, the podcast, the
29:30
YouTube channel. So I can subscribe.
29:35
No, just about like kind of like what I am thinking about it and
29:39
like why kind of I started it. I have been kind of like off
29:44
social media media for the most part for like a while.
29:48
And so I think like starting news was definitely kind of like
29:53
definitely like a new thing and like not that I've been, you
29:58
know, back on social media, like I I don't know, YouTube is
30:02
social media. I think like Strava social
30:05
media. So like getting back on some of
30:07
these things is definitely kind of getting back into the social
30:11
media side of things. But for me, I think, you know,
30:15
you see a lot of people, a lot of different people and they all
30:18
kind of like, I don't know if it's a newer phenomenon or, you
30:22
know, social media obviously has changed things like how things
30:24
get put out there. But you know, there are so many
30:27
people that just like put things out there or start different
30:31
things and are just super successful at them.
30:33
Like whether it be some sort of social media, YouTube brand,
30:39
little business, like all of these different things.
30:42
I feel like there's so many things that you just that people
30:46
are just trying and like really succeeding at now.
30:48
And for me, I really just wanted, you know, I love running
30:53
in the mountains. I love talking about running in
30:56
the mountains. I love training, training
30:59
theory. Like I'm always going off to
31:01
people who don't really run a ton or like, who probably don't
31:04
care as much about like all these details about White
31:08
Mountains and efforts and training and different workouts
31:12
and all this stuff. And yeah, I've learned a lot
31:16
over the year. Like I've spent like thousands
31:18
of hours doing this stuff, reading, learning about this
31:21
stuff, little bit of reading, a lot of listening to podcasts
31:24
about it. And yeah, so I was like, you
31:27
know what everyone else that started things has like they're
31:32
not really different. They just have like self belief
31:35
and just, I don't know, they just, you know, it's kind of
31:42
just inspiring to see other people do things and put
31:45
themselves out there. And so I was like, you know, I
31:48
maybe I should start doing that or doing that a little bit more.
31:51
So that's kind of why I started the YouTube channel.
31:54
I mean, obviously I go to these mountains and see all these
31:57
crazy things a ton. So like I saw that there was a
31:59
little cheap lightweight camera. I was like, that shoots 4K like,
32:03
all right, I'll see what I can kind of do.
32:07
So started kind of posting some of those videos I did have.
32:10
I was posting those videos in the winter and then I think I
32:13
got really busy and I was like, I don't know if I can do this.
32:16
Like, you know, filming the videos is kind of it's just like
32:21
an added thing that you have to do on these runs.
32:24
And like, I do really like enjoy, enjoy going out on a run
32:28
like Unplugged, you know, and just enjoying being out there.
32:33
And so I think it was kind of maybe getting in the way of that
32:35
a little bit. But yeah, no, at the end of the
32:39
summer, I, I, I brought it back. I did a couple things.
32:42
And then instead of just focusing on doing like, you
32:46
know, videos of these mountains, like talking about some of the
32:48
training theory started doing this podcast, like talking about
32:53
some of the races. Because like some of these races
32:55
and FKTS don't really, you know, the people in the area know
33:00
about them, but they don't get a ton of like coverage from like,
33:02
you know, different people. And so, you know, I've, I've
33:06
done a good amount of them. I tune into all this stuff.
33:09
And so just sharing my knowledge on what I know and what I think
33:13
about things. I figured this was like a good
33:15
place to do that. I think I also made a website
33:19
and I'm, I'm compiling, I'm in the process of kind of compiling
33:24
all the FK TS in the White Mountains all the times.
33:27
And I have some things that I want to do from that.
33:29
Just like having like a, a central place to kind of go and,
33:33
and find all this stuff because these are all things that I just
33:36
feel like I couldn't find out there.
33:38
So I'm like, you know, why not just start putting this stuff
33:40
out there? Yes, like I said, starting the
33:44
podcast. I think I also this winner, I
33:47
think I'm going to take an ultra marathon, ultra running coaching
33:53
course and and potentially start dabbling into coaching or like
33:58
at least do more of these kind of like coaching training theory
34:01
talks and post stuff about that. And so, yeah, it all kind of
34:06
falls on the umbrella of like running mountain peaks.
34:09
That is the run mountain peaks. I mean, especially in the fall.
34:14
I love the fall. The fall is my favorite time of
34:16
year. But just the feeling of being
34:18
out in the mountains and feeling fit and feeling strong, running
34:21
up mountains on a good day is just like cannot compare to
34:26
anything else. That is just one of the best
34:29
feel feelings. And yeah, so there's a lot into
34:32
it. And so that's like kind of why I
34:34
started Run Mountain Peaks. And I think this time around I'm
34:38
definitely not going to delete the channel.
34:40
I feel bad. There are a handful of people
34:42
that were very supportive and all in and I feel like I let
34:45
them down when I deleted the channel at the beginning.
34:48
But I'm back and I hope I can make up for it now.
34:53
And so, you know, I'm feeling better about it.
34:55
And I think, you know, I've been trying a lot of different
35:00
things. I've been trying to post some
35:01
different videos on YouTube. I've been trying to do the, you
35:04
know, the podcast I did, you know, a couple like blog stuff.
35:08
And I think I'm getting a sense of like what I like to do more.
35:12
Like, I don't know, YouTube is kind of crazy.
35:16
You know, I've tried some of the, some of the, you know, not
35:18
like click baity, but like some of the like popping titles, like
35:23
most terrifying trail in the whites, like some of that stuff.
35:27
And I it's, it's cool to see. It's kind of like I'm kind of
35:31
like a numbers guy. And so it's cool to see like how
35:35
the algorithm and like what people click on and how much
35:38
they like on things or whatever, how how they watch different
35:40
things. So it's kind of like cool to see
35:44
some of that. It's also like not cool because
35:46
sometimes you'll post a video and like everyone clicks on like
35:49
10 seconds and it's like, alright, if you did not like
35:51
that video. But I think, yeah, there was
35:55
obviously going to be a learning curve and there is going to be a
35:57
huge learning curve. But I do feel better about I'm
35:59
just going to put out what I want to put out.
36:02
I'm not going to do like the whole click baity.
36:05
I don't care about all that stuff, like I'm just going to
36:09
post like what I think about things, what I like to post and
36:14
that's going to be it. And I think that that's like a
36:15
better way to do it than be like, oh, this video, you know,
36:19
you said this and got this. It's like, I don't know, some of
36:22
those videos that I posted are probably a little bit cringy.
36:24
I don't know, who knows, but I just want to do a good job of
36:28
like posting things that I truly believe in.
36:31
I just my organic real thoughts and just like cool things that I
36:38
that I see in the mountains. So that's kind of the plan for
36:42
the podcast, the YouTube channel, all that stuff.
36:45
And yeah. So I just want to touch on that.
36:48
I had had a few thoughts there and then the next thing this is
36:51
kind of like leading into what I was just saying there deer
36:54
hunting. So this is kind of like
36:58
obviously kind of a a random topic, but I do think like, you
37:04
know, obviously this is run mountain peaks, but I also think
37:06
I'm just going to talk about whatever like I'm interested in
37:11
and how, you know, for me every day and like most of all of my
37:16
days are thinking about like running trails, like getting
37:19
faster, getting fitter, training, getting up north, all
37:23
this stuff. But there are like a handful of
37:25
other things that that I that I like and I'm like passionate
37:29
about and like, so I'm just going to start throwing that in.
37:31
This is not, you know, have to do with running mountain peaks,
37:35
you know, fully. But I'm just going to start
37:37
throwing some of the stuff in because again, like I'm just
37:39
going to put out really who I am and try to get over the the fact
37:45
of like, I think I've done a better job in the last couple of
37:48
years, maybe year or so of just being like I am who I am.
37:54
And I shouldn't like try to be anybody that I'm not, right?
37:56
Like I am who I am. I feel like I'm a decent person
37:59
always trying to work on that and, you know, be a better
38:01
person in general, but just be who you are.
38:04
If people don't like you, they don't like you, that's just
38:07
that's all right. You know, there's going to be
38:08
people like that in the world and you know, it is what it is.
38:14
So deer hunting. This is like one of my other
38:17
hobbies and obviously it's the fall like deer season has
38:20
started. So I figured I'm just going to
38:22
do like I'll do like a little blurb about like what I think
38:27
about deer hunting and like how I do it.
38:29
So I guess going back, like when I was growing up, my dad was in
38:35
did a lot of hunting and fishing.
38:36
He grew up fishing a ton of him and his brothers.
38:39
And so like growing up, I did a good amount of fishing with him
38:42
and then when I was young, he started getting into hunting.
38:46
And so I did a little bit of that when I was young.
38:48
And I just, that was kind of like my first, we didn't hike a
38:51
lot when I was younger. That was kind of like my first.
38:54
Like how I really grew to just like, like being outside.
38:57
Like I think growing up my whole life, I always just liked there
39:01
was like a little trail or, or a piece of woods.
39:03
I always just like going outside and like getting out in the
39:06
woods and obviously like doing those things, you know, I just
39:10
like being out there and it was cool.
39:13
Made a lot of good memories and stuff like that.
39:16
And then as I got into high school and college, I kind of, I
39:20
don't know why. I mean, I don't know, I guess I
39:21
kind of know why a little bit, but I was like pretty
39:23
embarrassed almost, or not embarrassed, but I just didn't
39:27
put out there that I like hunt, you know, haunted and fished to
39:31
like pretty much anybody. You know, my close friends knew,
39:34
but I I didn't really put it out there too, too much.
39:36
It wasn't like it was like a secret, but I didn't, I just
39:38
like didn't feel super comfortable.
39:40
I mean, I grew up in Southern New Hampshire, like in a suburb.
39:42
So it wasn't like, you know, like New Hampshire, it's very
39:44
rural, but I just feel like there weren't a ton of people
39:47
that I knew were like around me that did it.
39:49
So I was kind of and maybe like a little bit closed about it,
39:55
but I still did it. And, you know, as I got into
39:58
college, just I had less and less time and I got to a point
40:01
where I just didn't go too much. And sometimes I just like was
40:04
like, I don't know if I like it. I feel like I'm, you know, it's
40:08
and we'll talk about what, what it, what it kind of is, but, you
40:11
know, just spending a lot of time and I didn't really, I
40:14
wasn't really fully into it anymore and.
40:20
So kind of got out of it, but then after college I got into,
40:23
you know, fitness. I was doing a lot of
40:25
weightlifting and got into fitness a lot and kind of more
40:29
got into like eating healthy, like eating right, you know,
40:33
diet, nutrition, stuff like that.
40:35
And I ended up, I went to school in Maine, lived in Massachusetts
40:39
for a while. And then I ended up moving back
40:41
to New Hampshire. And when I moved back, I got
40:43
back into deer hunting specifically.
40:47
And I think that's kind of like the main, I don't do too much
40:49
fishing. I do one fishing trip a year
40:51
with my buddies. But deer hunting is kind of like
40:54
the one thing that I that I still do and I really enjoy
40:57
getting out and doing it. And it got to the point where I
41:01
really valued. So, you know, growing up, we
41:04
would go out hunting and then my dad pretty much we, we processed
41:08
the whole deer, you know, in our garage.
41:11
And so we really did like start to finish process, you know,
41:14
haunted processed, packaged the venison and we had just like, I
41:21
mean, it's, it's some of the best meat that you can get, like
41:24
super lean, 100% clean, like lives in nature, right?
41:29
Not in these big factory farms. And it got to the point where I
41:33
started being, you know, taking some pride in like wow, like
41:36
getting your own food and eating wild game.
41:39
It was very I started coming around on it and I always loved
41:44
getting outside. Like in the fall, I just feel
41:46
like I have that itch to get out into the into the woods.
41:50
And so like, kind of as I started trail running, getting
41:52
into the mountains more, I think just like being outside and
41:57
these outdoor activities just grew on me.
42:00
And so, yeah, I got back into it more in the last handful of
42:03
years. You know, during deer season in
42:06
the fall, I I go out a bunch and, you know, we get a bunch of
42:10
deer. And so like the past two years,
42:13
I don't even buy red meat at the grocery store.
42:18
I just eat wild game. I get one piece of salmon at the
42:22
grocery store and then I eat like mostly venison and a lot of
42:24
wild game like throughout the year for the, the other like 11
42:27
months. So we, me and my dad, we ran
42:31
out, our family ran out of venison maybe like a few weeks
42:34
ago and then hunting, you know, maybe like a month ago and then
42:37
hunting season started. So it turned into like taking
42:41
pride in like getting your own clean meat.
42:45
And it was just, you know, I like getting out in the woods.
42:48
I like doing it. And so it kind of like started
42:51
growing on me in different ways. And I feel like there's been a
42:54
movement back to not back to like hunting, but more like,
42:59
yeah, providing for yourself, doing, you know, organic,
43:03
getting good, good quality food. And so maybe, yeah, I think I, I
43:09
feel better about it now. And I don't definitely don't
43:11
like Kaeda. I'm definitely not embarrassed
43:12
about it anymore. And it's just like kind of who I
43:14
am. I just like going out and deer
43:17
hunting in the fall. And so yeah, so that's kind of
43:24
like the deer hunting thing. So I'll probably mix in a little
43:26
bit of like some hunting stories in the fall maybe.
43:29
I actually had a little encounter with the deer recently
43:32
last week. I might post a video tomorrow.
43:34
I took it on my phone. I don't know if it's if it's
43:36
good or anything, but I may be posting that.
43:38
So keep a heads up. But yeah, that's another thing
43:41
that I'll just touch on. I'll just talk about it as I
43:43
want to on this podcast. And I think like a lot of
43:47
people, like the stereotypical hunter is like drinking beer,
43:51
shooting guns in the woods. And that is like so far from the
43:58
opposite of me. So I definitely would not say
44:01
I'm like a typical, you know, there are those people and you
44:04
know, it sucks that they give like a bad name to to hunters,
44:07
but there are a lot of people that that do it right, that love
44:10
the outdoors, that love deer. I think a lot of people, it's
44:15
hard to maybe it's hard to wrap your head around, but like
44:18
hunters love wild game and probably care about them more
44:22
than, you know, the regular person and, and you know, their
44:28
well-being, their habitat. And so I think there's like a
44:32
misconception for a lot of people because you see some,
44:34
some of the bad parts of hunting that like most, most hunters are
44:38
very passionate about wildlife, about the outdoors,
44:44
conservation, all these things. And I think that gets
44:47
misconstrued a little bit. You know, if you see like beer
44:50
cans at a trailhead or something like that, you run in and I, I
44:54
hate running into hunters like that.
44:57
Like I feel like that's what partly ruined it when I was
44:59
growing up. Like you would just run into
45:01
some of these guys who just, I don't know, you know, there are
45:05
some, definitely some characters out there and, and you know, in
45:09
every, every hobby there are people like that, but that just
45:12
kind of ruin it a little bit for other people.
45:15
And so I really like the last few years, like I, you know,
45:18
most of the hunting that I do, I spend more time hunting with a
45:21
bow than guns. And the woods are quieter.
45:26
It's like a much longer season for bow and I like and I get, I
45:32
like getting out into different places and yeah, so it's it's
45:36
really turned into something I like to do in the fall.
45:38
I still train six days a week in the fall.
45:42
So, you know, running is definitely still like the number
45:45
one priority. Always want to get my runs in
45:47
getting up into the mountains. But I do mix it in from time to
45:51
time. And honestly, I am very much
45:54
just want to get venison for the year.
45:57
You know, I like getting out too.
45:58
But once I get, you know, enough deer for the year, then I like
46:03
waking up and go to the mountains instead of going out
46:05
hunting. So, but they're both good.
46:09
And yeah, so and I still prioritize running.
46:12
I still run through it. So it's, it's a good balance.
46:16
I think the fall is super busy for me, but it is a good
46:18
balance. So I guess that's kind of my
46:21
hunting spiel. Yeah.
46:24
I'm sure some people will maybe get turned off on this by that.
46:29
And, you know, it is what it is. I'm just going to be me.
46:32
And, you know, if you have any questions about hunting too,
46:36
like the other thing too, I think it's just, yeah, there's
46:39
just maybe some misconceptions about it.
46:41
Like, you know, obviously you have New Hampshire fishing game.
46:45
I think hunters are the biggest contributors to New Hampshire
46:48
fishing game and conservation just through hunting tags and
46:51
all these things that you kind of have to go through.
46:53
I think a lot of these people are the eyes and ears for New
46:57
Hampshire fishing game hunters actually.
47:00
You know, they fund conservation and conservation efforts.
47:03
But also what people don't realize is they collect data for
47:07
the state. And so like when you harvest
47:10
deer, everyone who gets a deer collects data for the state.
47:13
And they use that to pretty much help conserve populations for
47:18
different game species. And so, you know, hunters raise
47:22
money and they're like the biggest conservation, you know,
47:26
up up in the North, obviously it's, it's all woods up here.
47:30
But like down South and in, in communities, if, if you don't
47:34
have people hunting, the deer populations get out of hand.
47:37
More diseases, more deer incidents, more, more
47:41
everything, more more ticks. There was a big thing recently,
47:45
I was just talking about this with a buddy that deer are
47:48
carrying. The more deer have been moving
47:51
up north, they'd been carrying more ticks, but the longer tick
47:54
season and they'd be giving more ticks to the moose.
47:57
And so the moose population is hurting.
47:59
And so, yeah, I mean, Fish and Game does a great job of, like,
48:03
allocating deer tags and hunters kind of go out, gather the data
48:07
and help manage the deer herd and the deer population to help
48:12
all different kinds of wildlife. So yeah, very conservation heavy
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like hunters help with that. I think, you know, any time that
48:23
I can eat a bunch of venison over factory farmed meat is is a
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huge benefit. You know, I try not to eat
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factory farms food if I if I can help it, you know, and it's
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hard. Obviously everything is getting
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super expensive, but you know, I definitely don't, you know, I
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don't blame them because it's really hard to feed billions of
48:43
people. But also, you know, those are
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just like horrible conditions, like wild game lives their life
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in like the most awesome places, like, you know, no pesticides or
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just herbicides, you know, for what they're, you know, unless
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they're near some sort of agricultural field, but, you
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know, no hormones or any of this stuff.
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Like they're just out in nature. And so, you know, the meat is
49:09
really good. They leave, they live an awesome
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life. You know, if anyone who eats
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meat dislikes hunting, I don't know what to tell you.
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Like, that seems crazy to me. You know, that's just letting
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somebody else do The Dirty work. So yeah, I'm not going to.
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Yeah, I'm not going to. Like I said, I'm not going to
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hide. That's like part of what I do.
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And maybe we'll talk about it on here.
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If you don't like it, all good. You don't feel free to to tune
49:36
out. But you know, still the main
49:39
topics are going to be running and mountain related.
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So, and I do want to, you know, as I've been up in the mountains
49:46
more, I've never deer haunted in the mountains, but some people
49:50
do it, which is crazy because hunting is very hard.
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You can go out a ton of times and never get anything.
49:57
Like I think a lot of people think you go out in the woods,
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you see something, you shoot it. I've spent lots of hours and
50:04
hours and days of my time just sitting in a tree looking at
50:07
other trees, seeing nothing. So yeah, it's really hard.
50:13
It's really hard to get a deer. And up here in the woods, like
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there's millions of acres, They can be anywhere.
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The population is less dense up here, but some people do it.
50:23
And so I do want to get out in the mountains and just see,
50:26
like, if I can even find some deer sign out here this fall.
50:29
And so maybe I'll bring a camera along and just, you know, show
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what I find. But yeah, I think that would be
50:36
cool. And, you know, that ties in the
50:37
mountain stuff. But yeah, nine months out of the
50:40
year you probably won't hear much about deer hunting and then
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the main stuff will still be will still be mountain running,
50:47
White Mountain stuff, training, etcetera.
50:51
All right, so that was the hunting spiel.
50:53
Lastly, we're going to do the Bubba's second to lastly, kind
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of lastly, we're going to do the Bubba's results.
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So I talked about Bubba's The Last Man Standing event that run
51:04
the Whites puts on. They held it last weekend and
51:11
there was a new course record. Lucas Janulitis, hopefully I'm
51:19
pronouncing that correctly. He won with a new course record
51:23
of 185 1/2 miles, breaking Ed Clifford's old record of I think
51:29
150 something. Just insane.
51:34
Just insane. So how many laps is that?
51:35
So each lap is 3 1/2 miles. So divided by 3.5 S 53.
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So over 53 hours, over 2 days, running 3.5 miles every hour on
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the hour. Lucas wins.
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He's from Gorham, 24 years old, and he just ran or he just won
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the last skier standing this earlier this winter.
51:59
That run the weight puts on. So like the uphill skiing event
52:01
that's similar to Bubba's. I think he went for like 70
52:04
hours. So I think this ski event is a
52:08
little bit easier. Obviously it's less impact, but
52:11
I think it's easier to kind of go longer.
52:13
But this dude is, he's got grit for sure.
52:21
So he wins both of those. That's just, you know, obviously
52:25
crazy mental, crazy physical endurance.
52:28
This dude's got grit and he's young, so good for him.
52:32
Congrats. And also in last man standing
52:34
races, I think the winner is obviously always highlighted.
52:37
But the second thing is the assist.
52:40
So the second place person, Aaron Copeland, he run 182
52:44
miles. Lucas doesn't run 185 1/2 if he
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doesn't have somebody going with him.
52:50
So 2nd place is almost as an is as almost as important as first
52:55
place. So Aaron Copland had a also a
52:57
crazy showing. I think they have both done
53:00
Bubba's before. So I've had some they have had
53:05
some experience with the course and everything.
53:09
So Congrats to those two. And then Katie Melzki, 27, from
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Cambridge, she ran 168 miles and she was the top female finisher.
53:19
And so, yeah, you just said that is a long time, two straight
53:25
days to be out there. Your brain starts to go, your
53:27
body goes. But these guys battled it out.
53:30
And I think, I think the people want to see, or at least I want
53:34
to see, I want to see Lucas versus Ed Clifford, get Ed back
53:38
on the course and get Lucas out there because both of these guys
53:42
just seem like they can go forever.
53:43
We actually may be able to glitch the Matrix or the
53:47
simulation if Lucas and Ed do a Last man standing event with
53:52
each other, you know, 2 humans that just will never quit.
53:55
It may just go on forever. And we'll finally glitch the
53:58
simulation and we'll all know. We'll all find out.
54:03
OK. But yeah, so that was that was a
54:07
good turn out. And then so we'll read a few
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other names here. Connor Brown, Erica Notini,
54:12
Andrew Johnston, Michael Conley, August Myers.
54:18
They were off tied for fourth. August was 8th.
54:20
The rest of those guys were tied for fourth at 150 miles.
54:23
They put down 150 miles, which is crazy efforts.
54:26
And then I believe look here, 18/19/2020, 2020, 32026 people
54:34
ran 100 miles. So there was a bunch of people
54:37
tied for 18th, but 26 total people ran 100 miles.
54:41
I don't know if they give out a belt buckle, but when you run
54:43
100 miles that that is a tough accomplishment.
54:49
So Congrats to all those people and anyone who showed out.
54:52
I mean, like then you have 27 Thomas Hanlon.
54:54
He ran 88 miles. That's also no joke.
54:57
So Bubba's is a cool event that's kind of like the one of
55:02
the last one of the last trail races.
55:06
I think ultras in the in the whites for the year.
55:09
I think there's some other ones. There's the Jackson Turkey Trot,
55:12
the Blackout 5K10K, but as far as like ultra long distance
55:17
trail, ultra mountain stuff as it wasn't a mountain thing.
55:20
But that's pretty much it for the year.
55:22
So hopefully in the next or not hopefully, but hopefully we have
55:26
a few more weeks of good running before the trails get all icy.
55:30
But November definitely the ice starts forming and the trail
55:34
season comes to a close until it all snows.
55:38
So that was the Bubba's recap and then Tecumseh.
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So we'll just talk about Tecumseh for a little bit before
55:45
we wrap this up. So yet to yeah, last week I ran
55:52
Tecumseh from triple I Rd. So I say gave that a good effort
55:57
and ended up getting the the Strava crown there.
56:00
Jimboy had a really fast time on it and was able to just sneak
56:04
under there. So I was happy with that run and
56:08
had a little Tecumseh reflection.
56:10
So and I think it was 2015. I actually found the date and
56:14
put it on my grid spreadsheet. In 2015.
56:18
I did Tecumseh from triple I Rd. with a couple friends and I
56:23
can't remember the caption. I remember we didn't, you know,
56:25
one of my friend's sister was just like, hey, you guys should
56:29
do this is an awesome hike. It's a 4000 footer, you know, go
56:32
try this. And so we did.
56:34
And you know, I didn't know anything about them.
56:37
They probably didn't know anything about 4000 footers or
56:39
hiking. We just went up there and did it
56:41
one day. And I remembered the two things
56:44
that I remember from that hike. One, we get up to like, I think
56:49
it's like 36 to 3700 feet and then you have a couple 100 feet
56:52
of drop before you get up to the Tecumseh Summit.
56:54
And I remember when we were going down, we're all like, I,
56:59
we saw somebody coming back and we were like, is there two
57:01
mountains out here? Because we didn't know there
57:04
were two mountains. And the guy was like, Oh yeah,
57:06
just like, keep going. We clearly are like, OK, these
57:09
guys don't know what they're doing.
57:10
And we were just like, this is insane.
57:12
We're going to do 2 mountains today.
57:15
This is this is just nuts. So I do remember that being
57:18
like, I mean, this is BS. What are we doing out here?
57:22
And then the other thing that I remember, I think one of them
57:26
had a caption. It was like the caption was like
57:29
to come to buy the numbers. And I think it was like 4.
57:31
The numbers were 4-6 and eight. I think it was, I think it was 4
57:38
sandwiches, 6 miles, 8 hours. I'm pretty sure that that was
57:43
the breakdown, which I'm thinking about that being like,
57:47
is that even possible that it took us 8 hours to go up to
57:51
come? So I mean, no, hey, everyone at
57:53
their own pace and and yeah, everyone enjoy the mountain how
57:57
you how you like. Any time is a good time.
58:01
But holy smokes, if we were out there for 8 hours, that is
58:04
insane. And then you know, the ascent
58:07
that I had, I did it in 30. It was just under 40 minutes.
58:13
So that was kind of like I thought that was a 10 years
58:15
later I run Tecumseh 7 hours faster than I did the first
58:20
time. So that was kind of like a
58:21
little reflection that I thought was kind of funny and I thought
58:25
I would share because that was in my mind bank.
58:27
I remember we had a little sign that we drew a couple mountains
58:30
on and put 4003 on it and took a picture at the summit.
58:33
So I don't know if I had that picture make and put it in, but
58:36
I don't know if I can find it. But that was my Tecumseh story.
58:40
But did a good effort on Tecumseh and honestly, yeah, the
58:44
second peak I was again, probably in the effort.
58:46
I was like, God, this is this is yes.
58:47
But as I'm going down that little section right before the
58:52
final and Tecumseh, I don't know if I talked about this, but I
58:55
had an ankle roll earlier in the season that kind of set my
58:58
summer back and was it took longer to heal.
59:01
I'm coming down and I haven't done any hard efforts recently.
59:05
I'm coming down and I re roll my ankle and I'm like Oh my gosh,
59:09
not like this. And I was able to kind of shake
59:12
it off on the descent, get through the descent and then
59:14
climbing. It didn't hurt.
59:15
So it ended up being fine. But coming down my ankle really
59:19
hurt and I was like Oh my gosh, it was just finally starting to
59:22
feel better. I can't believe I just did that.
59:26
I am so upset. But now a little over a week
59:30
later, it's actually feeling better.
59:32
I mean usually ankle rolls I can kind of get through them.
59:35
The one this year was just like really bad and it was it was
59:38
actually bothering me inside like it felt like my internal
59:42
ankle ligament on like the inside of my ankle was hurting
59:45
for a long time. And so when I re rolled it was
59:50
just kind of the outside. It was one of those regular ones
59:52
that hurts for a couple days, but then it it feels OK and I
59:55
gave it some rest. I've been biking and stuff, so I
59:58
think I got away not really getting too, too hurt on that.
1:00:03
But I was like, Oh my gosh, I don't know if I can deal with
1:00:07
another ankle roll in the coming months.
1:00:09
So. But no, that was a Tecumseh
1:00:11
story. All was good there.
1:00:14
And yeah, I'm hoping to get a couple more, a few more good
1:00:19
mountain runs in before the end of the year, before the season.
1:00:23
Get all iced gets all iced in. But yeah, the the the the main
1:00:28
goal right now is just stay healthy.
1:00:30
Obviously this is like ankle roll season with the leaves and
1:00:32
everything. It's you got to kind of go
1:00:34
gingerly on the descents. But yeah, that's pretty much all
1:00:39
I got for this week. Hopefully enjoyed it.
1:00:43
Stay tuned for more videos this week.
1:00:49
Yeah, Yeah, that's it. Yeah.
1:00:51
Stay tuned for more TuneIn to to next week.
1:00:55
We got anything in the docket for next week?
1:00:58
And we won't give anything away yet.
1:01:01
We'll let people wait. But yeah, we'll have another
1:01:03
podcast next Sunday. And until then, talking about
1:01:08
the ankle, Stay healthy, get faster.
1:01:11
The only two things that matter almost in running.
1:01:15
Yeah, but that's all I got. We'll see you next time, poos.