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EP: 134 What is the Hantavirus? Outbreak on a cruise ship. · Humanity Unplugged Podcast

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  [SPEAKER_02]: What's going on?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, for those of us that mother had went on to be with God, uh, uh, I miss forges is not to be able to touch talk and to eat the food they may have cooked that we like or they're present.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm your host, Germaine McCrimmer and I'm sorry today is Wednesday and you guys haven't got that work already, but I'm a little rather under the weather.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I know I sound like a probably a cave man, but I'm a little bit under the weather, man.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sick.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm here and I'm giving you this medicine to stop that you need to understand what's going on in every day life.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So today, we're going to talk about Episode 134, the hand of virus.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: What is the hand of virus?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And those that know you know that we've been doing this for a little bit.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: We've been pushing out episodes to give our information our community to help our community better understand what's going on.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: As you know, when it get hot and it gets better, our side, we like to travel.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: We like to show our bodies and we like to go swimming.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: We like to go on vacation.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: We like to travel to these Caribbean islands.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: We like to fly out to festivities and festivals.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And just have a great time and try to enjoy what life we have.
• 2:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Unfortunately, we have war.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: We have gas prices at the all-time high.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Trump is still trucking and we got to do what we got to do just to maintain.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So amongst that, we still find some type of peace of mind in our everyday struggle.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Those are the people that say the HPC use.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And you guys are doing your thing in college.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I salute you for all the kids and regular colleges.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I salute you for all the mothers and fathers that get up and make it happen every day, whether they could sing for the loss or for the win.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I salute you too.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: For people all the listeners all over the world that we reach out to for all the 22, 23.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: country's confidence that we reach out to.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: We'd like to thank you guys for communicating with us, for sharing with us, for staying focused with us, even when we not on point, giving you that information every Tuesday and Thursday, things do happen, but we thank you guys for staying locked in with us.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So, the hand of virus is an outbreak because you don't even
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, we know it's on a shift right now and a bunch of people, 150, maybe 125 people or on this shift with 17 American people that's there.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And people dying.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Three people have died passed away, unfortunately.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Do we know exactly is it from the hand of virus or not?
• 4:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: We don't know, it could be maybe not.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: We don't know exactly, but where it is right now,
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  [SPEAKER_02]: These people cannot get back home.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Their families don't know what's going on.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And to be honest with you, your ass is going to have to stay out there for a while.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Excuse my French.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I know you miss your family members and you want to see them again, until we get a whole of what this shit, what it is, you want to stay on that out.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: You want to stay out there.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And for those of you who don't know, there's no cure for this.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: There's no cure for the hand of writers.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: There's not, like you take a B-52 or B tablet or whatever, give your shot your arm and you back well tomorrow.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: That ain't it.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Most people that get this, you a body in.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: At least that's what they say.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: They say, and also they need about eight weeks, the nine weeks to understand what's fully going on and whether or not people are affected with this virus.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, I don't know about you, that's a long time on the ship, but it's about the nation.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: United States, America, all the people here, and you guys went out there, you got, you know, unfortunately, you might have got it by going into a cave, you could have got it by a cave that had feces and urine and inhaled it from, you could have got it by a rat, a mice
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Infected by it, and now is hidden.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, the question when you look at the head of virus, people say in that you cannot be affected by it, by person, the person.
• 6:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm going to tell you that the two people that died out of three, one was a man, and his wife got affected, or he passed, and full of life, and get up to plain, she collapsed at the airport, and she died.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, if that is so, if that is so whatever she got off with it, it was a plain boat ship, submarine, a bike, whatever she was, that human people are in contact, is it possible that she might have got infected by the same antibodies, that she might have got other people infected by it right now, so on the cruise, but who knows where it could be, so fast, just like COVID-19,
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  [SPEAKER_02]: America was shut down, Trump knew about this a long time ago because they hit over in China, but yet we did nothing about it.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And just another every time Trump get elected, a virus get broken loose, you know what I'm saying?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying, I'm just talking about the what is, you know, allegedly, I don't know nothing, who am I?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: But we are understanding that,
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Every time we in a crisis or something going on, something else has put out there to distract, we still don't know what's going on with the vaccine files.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: What's going on, man?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: How come we still don't know what's going on with the vaccine files?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: We got everything else going on, but no one dropping that on there.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: What's up?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Is anybody still looking at that?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It's crazy.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So I made it just bring away this to the factor of what's going on.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And we don't get into it right now.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: We don't keep pushing because that's what we do.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, we don't stop can't stop.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I won't stop.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I think of some information for you guys.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Here you go.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's go.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: three people are dead, and at least three others are sick after a suspected outbreak of what's called hand-to-virus aboard a cruise ship.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: Now, the vessel is currently anchored off the coast of Africa with nearly 150 people on board while health officials try to figure out.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: Next steps, here's CNN's Larry Medoa.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: As suspected outbreak of antivirus on board this cruise ship crossing the Atlantic Ocean, the envy-hondious operated by ocean-wide expeditions departed Ushaya on the southern tip of Argentina over a month ago.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Details of the suspected outbreak emerged as it was anchored in prior, the capital, Kim Verde, an alienation of the coastal West Africa on Sunday.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: One American travel blogger on board is shown in this tearful message.
• 8:49
  [SPEAKER_05]: We're not just a story, we're not just headlights, we're people.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: people with families, with blogs, with people waiting for us at home.
• 9:03
  [SPEAKER_05]: There's a lot of uncertainty, and that's the hardest part.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: All we want right now is to feel safe, to have clarity.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And to get home, keep radio authorities how refuse to allow anyone to disembark.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: However, local health authorities evisited the ship and assessed two symptomatic crew members requiring urgent medical care.
• 9:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Imagine being able to.
• 9:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry, guys.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Look, commercial, we're going to let it run.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: You won't hear it.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Here we go.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Zed in a statement.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They are 17 Americans among the 149 people on board according to OceanWide.
• 9:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: The company told CNN it is, quote, currently focused on the health and safety of passengers and crew.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Humans most commonly get infected with hunter virus through contact with rodents like mice or rats, especially during droppings and saliva according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention CDC.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Early symptoms include fatigue, fever, and muscle aches, as well as headaches, dizziness, chills, and abdominal problems.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Human-to-human transmission is rare.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The World Health Organization says, to have this many people clustered together on a ship.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Most public health officials would be looking and looking for a human-to-human transmission.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure this is going to be investigated tremendously.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So far, it's not clear how the suspected infections on the ship occurred.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The first death on board this ship happened April 11.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The body of a 70-year-old Dutch man who was taken to the island of St Helena, a remote island in the South Atlantic, according to South Africa's Department of Health.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: His wife later collapsed at an airport while trying to fly home and died in hospital.
• 10:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: At this time, it is not confirmed that these two deaths...
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  [SPEAKER_02]: and she died in a hospital.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So other people might have got affected by this.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Just off that alone, don't know.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Are connected to the current medical situation on board, the operator said.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The World Health Organization says it is facilitating between member states and the ship's operators on a full public health risk assessment but added, quote, the risks to the wider public remains low.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: There is no need for panic or travel restrictions.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: I know thanks to Larry Mido for that report, joining us down to discuss Dr. Megan Rany, the dean of Yale Medical School.
• 11:40
  [SPEAKER_09]: It's a good to see you again, Dr. Rany, last time you were here, we were talking about, I believe, a different virus all together, the coronavirus.
• 11:47
  [SPEAKER_09]: It's antivirus is not normally transmitted from person to person.
• 11:52
  [SPEAKER_09]: How is it possible, do you think, that multiple people on the ship have the virus?
• 11:58
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, a hundred buyers outbreak on a cruise ship was not on my top 50 or even hundred things that I would worry about for a cruise ship.
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  [SPEAKER_07]: I and other experts really think there's three possibilities here.
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  [SPEAKER_07]: The first is that a bunch of folks were exposed when they were traveling off the ship.
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  [SPEAKER_07]: Maybe they went to a cave or to a house that had road-and-dropings that got theorized and they all got infected there.
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  [SPEAKER_07]: The second possibility, which would worry me if I were a
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  [SPEAKER_07]: that we're running around and exposed a bunch of folks.
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  [SPEAKER_07]: The third possibility and the one that most worries folks like me, public health experts, emergency physicians, is the possibility that there could be person-to-person transmission.
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  [SPEAKER_07]: And Jake, here's the important part.
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  [SPEAKER_07]: There has been a report of one stream of hauntavirus in Argentina known as the Andi strain.
• 12:53
  [SPEAKER_07]: which is known to cause limited person-to-person transmission.
• 12:57
  [SPEAKER_07]: Many of us are worried that it may be that strain that got onto the boat and that may be spreading.
• 13:03
  [SPEAKER_07]: But it's far too early to know.
• 13:05
  [SPEAKER_09]: So a hint of virus is highly deadly.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: The CDC says more than the third of people who develop respiratory systems may then die.
• 13:12
  [SPEAKER_09]: There's also no cure for a hint of virus.
• 13:14
  [SPEAKER_09]: So the passage of your information,
• 13:33
  [SPEAKER_09]: crew who are being treated right now, and they may have the virus, what does that care, what does that treatment look like?
• 13:41
  [SPEAKER_07]: So we would care for them just as we would for anyone with a severe critical illness.
• 13:47
  [SPEAKER_07]: If they're having breathing trouble, we might put them in a medical coma and put in a breathing tube.
• 13:52
  [SPEAKER_07]: If their blood pressure is having trouble maintaining itself, we'd give them fluids and medications to support their blood pressure.
• 13:59
  [SPEAKER_07]: We might treat their kidneys.
• 14:03
  [SPEAKER_07]: an important thing to know about a hunter virus diagnosis is that it is tough to make.
• 14:08
  [SPEAKER_07]: It's almost always a lab that we have to send out of the hospital.
• 14:12
  [SPEAKER_07]: It's not my first fifth or even tenth thing on my differential diagnosis.
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  [SPEAKER_07]: And so you want to treat folks for everything that could be causing their symptoms, while waiting for that send out test to come back.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: So passengers are not currently allowed to get off the ship.
• 14:28
  [SPEAKER_09]: Once they finally dock, well, there have to be some kind of extensive testing to make sure the virus is contained.
• 14:33
  [SPEAKER_09]: What are the next steps look like?
• 14:37
  [SPEAKER_07]: So trying to figure out what the next steps are as we speak.
• 14:40
  [SPEAKER_07]: I will say this is where I am so grateful for other great public health experts in particularly for the expertise of the World Health Organization.
• 14:48
  [SPEAKER_07]: and other folks that work on pandemic preparedness.
• 14:51
  [SPEAKER_07]: As Larry said, this is a very rare virus.
• 14:54
  [SPEAKER_07]: We've had less than 1,000 cases in the United States in the last 20 years.
• 15:00
  [SPEAKER_07]: The fact that we have international experts working to figure out what's happening with spread and what we should do next is amazing.
• 15:09
  [SPEAKER_07]: Most likely when folks get off of that ship, there will be some quarantine, but it is far too early to tell.
• 15:16
  [SPEAKER_07]: We'll know a lot more in coming days as we start getting to know middata about whether this spread between people, we're at came from and so on.
• 15:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: How is the world?
• 15:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: suspected outbreak, join me now, Dr. Hans Klug.
• 15:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's the director for the WHO.
• 15:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you so much for joining us.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: I imagine you're very busy with this.
• 15:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: What's the current plan whilst you figure out how to contain the virus?
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  [SPEAKER_04]: Is it to keep everyone on the ship and certain individuals isolated?
• 16:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, this is the first reported outbreak of the hunter virus on a cruise ship.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So that's a bit of new territory, but the virus itself is not new.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Indeed, it's carried by rodents.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: People get contaminated through inhaling particles, mostly from fishers or urine.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: There were five suspected.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: patients or people three and four she passed away two people are on the ship but are under medical care by the authorities of Kaby Verde and one laboratory confirmed patient is the intensive care unit in South Africa.
• 17:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's very important for the public to realize that the overall risk to the public remains low.
• 17:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's very tough to be transmitted human to human, though not impossible.
• 17:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: What will people be allowed of the ship?
• 17:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: So there is an international coordination between all the authorities, 24-7 which also by the way shows why international collaboration in this times are so important and new information would be available very, very soon.
• 17:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: So we don't, they have no idea when they're going to be allowed off.
• 17:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm just assuming, once you get the all clear that everyone's been got better, they would be allowed to get off.
• 17:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: Or is the plan not to allow anyone to get off in case it spreads beyond the ship?
• 18:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: As we speak, the medical authorities of Gabi Verdi are on, on the spot, examining the people, making the diagnosis, we're in touch with them.
• 18:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: And immediately, there's new information we will share that one.
• 18:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: But you're not going to allow people off our feet, presumably until you know.
• 18:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, the examinations have to be obviously concluded and the relevant authorities are following the protocols, what we're doing is connecting, putting all the data together, but also already making some progress with some medications of severely ill people.
• 19:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: Because the symptoms don't appear for weeks today, I'm just thinking it could be weeks before you know who's got it.
• 19:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's why the basic hygienic and sanitary measures are to be put in place.
• 19:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: But it doesn't mean that there will be a vacant time for eight weeks.
• 19:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: So let's do the, let's say the next update as soon as we have the new information.
• 19:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: But give me why I think I would like to stress that one that the overall risk to the public remains low.
• 21:12
  [SPEAKER_06]: islands in the South Atlantic, had requested help from local health authorities after making its way there to where it was supposed to be docking on the island of Cape Verde.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: It's off the west coast of Africa.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: No one has been allowed to disembark.
• 21:29
  [SPEAKER_06]: That's according to the letterland's based operator Oceanwide expeditions and what they had to say in official statement.
• 21:36
  [SPEAKER_06]: We've been following the story closely here at LiveNow from Fox and there's a lot to discuss in terms of what we can expect and possibly what passengers are going through at this time.
• 21:46
  [SPEAKER_06]: Joining us next to get into all of the details is Dr. Saline Gounder.
• 21:50
  [SPEAKER_06]: She's the editor-out large for public health at KFF Health News, infectious disease specialists and also an epidemiologist.
• 21:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: Good morning Saline, good to have you on.
• 22:01
  [SPEAKER_08]: in morning, Pearl.
• 22:02
  [SPEAKER_06]: So pretty scary situation, at least from how we're looking at it here on land.
• 22:07
  [SPEAKER_06]: So first off, let's get down to the basics for our viewers, Honda virus.
• 22:12
  [SPEAKER_06]: What is it?
• 22:12
  [SPEAKER_06]: What are its symptoms?
• 22:14
  [SPEAKER_06]: And really, what is the possibility of death once someone contracts that virus?
• 22:19
  [SPEAKER_08]: Hunter virus is really a family of viruses that are transmitted by rodents.
• 22:23
  [SPEAKER_08]: So mice rats usually it's transmitted when rat droppings or mice droppings or urine are aerosolized into the air sometimes it's when people are cleaning something up saying the garage or the basement.
• 22:37
  [SPEAKER_08]: And that causes hontavirus pulmonary syndrome, hontavirus, in other words, a severe viral infection of the lungs.
• 22:45
  [SPEAKER_08]: It can also cause kidney failure, heart failure.
• 22:47
  [SPEAKER_08]: And so the symptoms can be wide-ranging, but very often, their pulmonary symptoms, lung symptoms.
• 22:55
  [SPEAKER_06]: What's interesting about that is that with these symptoms, I was reading up on it as well.
• 23:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: They kind of look like the flu at first.
• 23:02
  [SPEAKER_06]: So really distinctly, when does that change at turning from, okay, possibly have the flu?
• 23:07
  [SPEAKER_06]: I possibly have the cold to now I know that I have something that's potentially way more dangerous and what kind of testing is even done to figure that out?
• 23:15
  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, it's done in the context of an exposure, usually.
• 23:18
  [SPEAKER_08]: So Hantavirus is exceedingly rare to put that into perspective in the United States.
• 23:23
  [SPEAKER_08]: We've had nine hundred cases in 30 years.
• 23:27
  [SPEAKER_08]: And most of those cases have been in the four corners area in the United States.
• 23:31
  [SPEAKER_08]: So we don't go testing everyone for Hantavirus.
• 23:34
  [SPEAKER_08]: You really need to have had an exposure, a risk factor in order to prompt testing.
• 23:40
  [SPEAKER_08]: So in this case, we know people have been exposed on the cruise ship.
• 23:43
  [SPEAKER_08]: and people who are developing symptoms are being tested.
• 23:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: So I'm glad you mentioned this, the people who were exposed on the cruise ship, it leads me to a social media post here courtesy of Reuters, following this closely, they included a video one of the passengers as he was speaking about his experience, but they say this, medics were working to evacuate two people with symptoms of the deadly haunted virus after a suspected outbreak on a cruise ship held off the West Africa, according to officials, again 150 people still on that ship.
• 24:15
  [SPEAKER_06]: So let's get into possibly the challenges of saline when you have an outbreak of a virus that could potentially be deadly and people are stuck on a cruise ship.
• 24:24
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, how unique is that situation in terms of containment and making sure that people stay safe.
• 24:31
  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, keeping people on the ship, essentially quarantining them on the ship is part of preventing transmission because we don't know for sure, is this the typical haunt of virus that is caused by aerosolization of rodent droppings and urine, or is it there is a rarely, a person of person spread, the type of haunt of virus involved is called the Andy's virus.
• 24:55
  [SPEAKER_08]: that Andy's virus is found in Argentina and Chile.
• 24:59
  [SPEAKER_08]: This boat left from Argentina.
• 25:02
  [SPEAKER_08]: So we don't yet know is are we dealing with
• 25:18
  [SPEAKER_08]: but the usual hunt of iris are we dealing with Andy's virus and until then you really do want to keep people in the ship to prevent further onward transmission.
• 25:26
  [SPEAKER_08]: But as you can imagine that's super scary you're in the middle of you know cluster of cases of a highly deadly virus and don't know how those other people got infected.
• 25:37
  [SPEAKER_08]: I really feel badly for those who are stuck on the ship right now.
• 25:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: You mentioned there, uh, the different places of this cruise ship has gone to, is specifically Argentina, which is possible if that's where this virus was first contracted.
• 25:50
  [SPEAKER_06]: Up earlier today, I was listening into a briefing from the United Nations.
• 25:54
  [SPEAKER_06]: They also expressed a similar perspective that they don't think it started on the ship, but more likely somewhere that they had docked previously.
• 26:02
  [SPEAKER_06]: But this cruise ship, not only went to Argentina, it went to a lot of other isolated, smaller islands.
• 26:09
  [SPEAKER_06]: Does that add another layer of complexity when trying to track down the origin of the virus?
• 26:16
  [SPEAKER_08]: Possibly, you know, if there were rodents in some of those other islands on some of those other islands that would also raise some questions, those are
• 26:34
  [SPEAKER_08]: Or islands that are also unlikely to have people at all, so does help narrow in certain respects.
• 26:49
  [SPEAKER_08]: But you know, big picture when it needs to happen here is a really thorough investigation.
• 26:53
  [SPEAKER_08]: So beyond testing and typing, which type of hunt of virus, they need to identify the source of transmission, the mechanism of transmission.
• 27:02
  [SPEAKER_08]: And then, in addition, tracking what happened to board the ship, where there's certain safety lapses, are there issues with the road and the best station on the ship?
• 27:14
  [SPEAKER_08]: This is really where public health agencies step in.
• 27:18
  [SPEAKER_08]: And unfortunately, we're dealing with our own CDC, which has been gutted.
• 27:21
  [SPEAKER_08]: The U.S. has pulled out of the World Health Organization.
• 27:24
  [SPEAKER_08]: And those are precisely the folks who get called in in a situation like this.
• 28:05
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