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FIGHT NIGHT: Why Trump Will Kick Biden's Ass Tonight! · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome.
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Speaker 2: It is Verdict with Center, Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you,
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Speaker 2: and I gotta say, if you're a person that loves
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Speaker 2: the world of politics, even when it can be annoying
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Speaker 2: sometimes Center, there is nothing more fun than getting ready
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Speaker 2: for a debate day. And we're finally here, Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: on stage with Joe Biden.
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Speaker 3: Well, that's exactly right.
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Speaker 4: Today is debate day, and we wanted to do a
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Speaker 2: you about debates. You've done a lot of them. You've
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Speaker 2: been on stage in a debate with Donald Trump. How
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Speaker 2: did you get ready for a debate, and it's you know,
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump says, hey, I don't do it the traditional way.
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Speaker 2: I'm certainly not going to lock myself away for a
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Speaker 2: week at Camp David and take a lot of napps.
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Speaker 2: He says, he's not really a traditional debate prepper. That
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Speaker 2: can be good or bad. It's cost him. I actually
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Speaker 2: think some debates in the past. So what is your
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Speaker 2: strategy when you get ready?
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Speaker 4: Well, my strategy is I think different from a number
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Speaker 4: of people. What I do is I sit down with
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Speaker 4: a team. It's typically a team of somewhere between five
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Speaker 4: and ten people, and I'll spend at least a full
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Speaker 4: day talking through the I don't do a lot of
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Speaker 4: play acting. I don't generally have people that are that
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Speaker 4: are mock acting as whoever else it is I'm debating.
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Speaker 4: But rather I have really smart people, often their Supreme
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Speaker 4: Court lawyers, who are sitting down thinking through, all right,
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Speaker 4: what are the likely questions, what are we going to
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Speaker 4: talk about? What are the topics that are going to
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Speaker 4: come up. Part of it is we start with a
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Speaker 4: meta strategy. What is my objective in this debate? You know,
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Speaker 4: in a presidential debate, particularly in the primaries where you're
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Speaker 4: having a bunch of debates, there are different times when
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Speaker 4: you have different strategies, there's different times when you want
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Speaker 4: to draw a greater contrast with one candidate versus another,
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Speaker 4: And so for debate prep, I'll often start with, all right,
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Speaker 4: what's my objective? A question that I will ask my
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Speaker 4: team over and over again is what's a win? What
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Speaker 4: do we want the headline to be at the end
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Speaker 4: of the debate, And let's think backwards how we produce that,
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Speaker 4: what is the outcome we want to be? And then
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Speaker 4: we'll talk through who are the moderators, what are the
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Speaker 4: questions are going to come? And then for me, rather
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Speaker 4: than practicing an answer, I don't want answers to sound rehearsed.
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Speaker 3: I don't I don't want to just stand.
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Speaker 4: Up and give a set piece, We'll talk instead about
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Speaker 4: all right, what are the likely questions and what is
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Speaker 4: the strategy or approach for answers, and and we'll go
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Speaker 4: through that at considerable length and talk back and forth
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Speaker 4: about Okay, how's the how is my opponent going to
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Speaker 4: come back after that? And what's the strategy? What do
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Speaker 4: I want my opponent to say, and what's my response
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Speaker 4: to where they're going, and so it will be.
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Speaker 3: It's actually been for me.
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Speaker 4: Debate prep is very much the same way I would
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Speaker 4: prepare for Supreme Court arguments. I would do moots at times,
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Speaker 4: but particularly as I had done more and more Supreme
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Speaker 4: Court arguments, I ended up arguing nine times in front
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Speaker 4: of the US Supreme Court, and particularly for the later ones,
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Speaker 4: rather than actually play acting out the argument, I would
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Speaker 4: do the same thing. I would talk through with smart
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Speaker 4: strategists where we wanted to go and what we wanted
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Speaker 4: to get done.
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Speaker 2: I love getting ready for debate prep and have gotten
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Speaker 2: to be a part of it several different times at
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Speaker 2: different levels. And I've also seen the candidate that over prepares.
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Speaker 2: How do you make sure you don't do that? Because
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Speaker 2: when you get too many thoughts and too much information
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Speaker 2: and too many lines as you described, and can sound
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Speaker 2: pre rehearse, that I've seen be a disaster for candidates.
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Speaker 2: We've seen this on the national stage in President of
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Speaker 2: debates before as well.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly right.
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Speaker 4: You don't want to be wooden. You don't want to
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Speaker 4: be overrehearsed. You don't want to come off as overrehearsed.
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Speaker 4: I think the most notable example of that was in
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Speaker 4: twenty sixteen in the primaries the New Hampshire debate, where
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Speaker 4: Chris Christy went after Barco Rubio and I was standing there,
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Speaker 4: I was right next to Chris, and I mean what
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Speaker 4: Chris did DeMarco was as brutal as we've ever seen
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Speaker 4: in any debate, because he is going after Marco and
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Speaker 4: accusing him being a robot, and and Marco kept saying
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Speaker 4: the same thing over and over again and and and
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Speaker 4: Chris just pounded him for it, and and it ended
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Speaker 4: up I mean, I have to say for the rest
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Speaker 4: of us, but we were kind of like, all right enough,
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Speaker 4: Chris cut you know, you're you're You're like, you're killing
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Speaker 4: the guy. But but it was Marco ran into trouble
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Speaker 4: because he had a set piece that I guess he'd
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Speaker 4: practiced that that that he repeated I think three separate
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Speaker 4: times in a row, and and Christy really took advantage
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Speaker 4: of it. That's not something you want to have happened.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 4: The good news is, I think the chances of Trump
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Speaker 4: doing that are zero. That's that's not how he prepares
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Speaker 4: for a debate. And I don't think there's any risk
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Speaker 4: of him doing that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's been a lot of this, and let's move
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Speaker 2: to Trump about hey, is he is he getting ready
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Speaker 2: the way that he should be getting ready. He had
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Speaker 2: a weak debate against Joe Biden in the last presidential
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Speaker 2: cycle that some believe may have cost him the White House.
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Speaker 2: He also said in an interesting article in the Washington Examiner, quote,
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Speaker 2: so I've been in sixteen seventeen debates? Trump answered it.
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Speaker 2: In response to a question. He said, quote, I think
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Speaker 2: I've won almost all of him. I did well against
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Speaker 2: Ted Cruz. That would be you, who is a good debater?
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Speaker 2: All these guys. I became president. Some people say I
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Speaker 2: became president because of these debates. You can't tell until
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Speaker 2: you get up on the stage, because it depends on
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Speaker 2: how he comes out. And I think you know he's
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Speaker 2: referring obviously to Joe Biden.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, now look that's right. And Trump is very loose
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Speaker 4: in debates. He can be all over the place, but
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Speaker 4: he tends to punch back. That's his instincts, you know,
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Speaker 4: in terms of how he prepares for debates, particularly now,
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Speaker 4: I think what he does is he does rallies. He
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Speaker 4: goes to rallies and he riffs that and he finds
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Speaker 4: themes that he thinks might work, and he sees how
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Speaker 4: people react. I think a great example of that is
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Speaker 4: the Las Vegas rally he did not too long ago,
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Speaker 4: where where he rolled out the idea of no taxes
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Speaker 4: on tips and and and actually, you know when when
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Speaker 4: I had lunch with Trump a week before last, he
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Speaker 4: talked talked to me and all the other Republican senators
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Speaker 4: about where that came from. And he said he was
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Speaker 4: sitting in the hotel room right before the rally, and
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Speaker 4: he and and he was having some food, and the
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Speaker 4: waitress came up, and and and and he said, the waitress,
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Speaker 4: she said she was beautiful. She was beautiful, and we
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Speaker 4: all believed we all believed him. And he said that
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Speaker 4: she was. She was complaining about the burden of of
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Speaker 4: all the record keeping for her tips and and and
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Speaker 4: that it was really a pain, and that she didn't
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Speaker 4: like it. And Trump said he just pulled out pulled
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Speaker 4: out a pen and wrote down no taxes on tips
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Speaker 4: and and he he told us, he said, look, this
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Speaker 4: didn't come from a white paper, This didn't come from
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Speaker 4: a bunch of tax experts. This just came from the
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Speaker 4: conversation I had with the waitress, and then he said
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Speaker 4: at the rally, I decided to say it, and I said,
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Speaker 4: no taxes on tips, and he said and they went crazy,
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Speaker 4: They went wild, And I got to say, by the way,
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Speaker 4: I think is a policy proposal that one is political genius,
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Speaker 4: and in fact, so much so that the week after
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Speaker 4: he did it, I drafted legislation and filed legislation to
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Speaker 4: make tips tax free because I actually agree with the
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Speaker 4: idea strongly, and I think Republicans should be the party
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Speaker 4: of waiters and waitresses and bartenders and barbers and hairstylists
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Speaker 4: and taxicab drivers and uber drivers, and we're a blue
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Speaker 4: collar party, and I think no taxes on tips is
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Speaker 4: right at the heart of it, a tax relief proposal
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Speaker 4: that goes goes exactly to the people we're fighting for.
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Speaker 2: But that's Isn't it amazing by the way that Trump,
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Speaker 2: now two of his biggest things have connected, whether it's
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty or twenty sixteen, were kind of off the cuff.
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Speaker 2: That build the Wall part, which became a co the
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Speaker 2: center point, the cornerstone of his campaign.
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Speaker 1: Sixteen was the same thing. It was a riff.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he talks.
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Speaker 4: About that how at a rally, he'll he'll essentially field
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Speaker 4: test things. He'll put something out and see how people
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Speaker 4: react and listen. The man has a really strong instinctual
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Speaker 4: sense of people.
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Speaker 3: Look.
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Speaker 4: I think the proposal of no taxes on tips, without exaggeration,
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Speaker 4: I think that policy alone could could win in the
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Speaker 4: state of Nevada. There's an enormous number of casino workers
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Speaker 4: who who who get a significant part of their compensation
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Speaker 4: from tips. There's a reason that crowd went wild because
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Speaker 4: it spoke directly to people who are struggling, who are
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Speaker 4: working towards the American dream. And I think you're right
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Speaker 4: he did that with Bill the Wall that he tries
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Speaker 4: different riffs and themes, and so I would expect that
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Speaker 4: that that same dynamic. You know, it's interesting that that
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Speaker 4: interview you were reading with byron Yorke with Trump on debates,
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Speaker 4: that there was a portion of it that I thought
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Speaker 4: was was very interesting. Well, which is he talked about
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Speaker 4: the rules of this debate, and here's what Trump said,
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Speaker 4: he said quote. What they did, I'm pretty sure is
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Speaker 4: that they approached me with a debate that I couldn't take.
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Speaker 4: Dana Bash Jake Tapper, whom Trump referred to as fake
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Speaker 4: Tapper in the interview, no audience, sitting down originally sitting
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Speaker 4: down a dead debate, turn off the mics when you're
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Speaker 4: not speaking so I can't interrupt him. They knew I
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Speaker 4: wouldn't accept that because it was CNN, it was Dana Bash,
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Speaker 4: Jake Tapper, and I like it audience, and probably he doesn't,
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Speaker 4: who knows, so they thought they would present it. I
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Speaker 4: would say no, and then they would say we can't
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Speaker 4: debate because Trump said no. So I said yes before
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Speaker 4: they even gave me the terms. So he got roped
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Speaker 4: into it.
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Speaker 5: All right.
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Speaker 4: I agree with every word at what Trump just said there.
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Speaker 4: And it's interesting, listen. I think this debate, every one
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Speaker 4: of these rules is stacked to be against Trump. The
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Speaker 4: fact that it is in a studio with no audience.
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Speaker 4: Trump feeds off an audience, He plays to an audience.
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Speaker 4: Biden's terrified by an audience, says the reason he turns
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Speaker 4: out six people to his events so that favors him. CNN, Tapper,
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Speaker 4: and and Bash are going to come after Trump relentlessly.
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Speaker 4: It's not gonna be Trump versus Biden. It is going
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Speaker 4: to be Trump versus Biden and CNN. And and and
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Speaker 4: and then the turning off the MIC's bit.
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Speaker 3: Really is garbage.
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Speaker 4: It's it's because Biden can't actually handle real conflict in
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Speaker 4: the debate, and so he's asked CNN please stop mean
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Speaker 4: mister Trump from from saying anything when I'm talking and listen.
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Speaker 4: All of that skews towards Biden. But I also agree
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Speaker 4: with with Trump's instinct, which is if he had pushed back,
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Speaker 4: the Biden team desperately wanted to get out of this debate.
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Speaker 4: They wanted to cancel it, and so they wanted to
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Speaker 4: propose rules that that that were so skewed. Trump would
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Speaker 4: push back and they could say, oh, it was Trump
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Speaker 4: who canceled the debate, Guess we can't have it. And
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Speaker 4: and so I completely agree with the decision. Fine, you
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Speaker 4: get all the rules. It's skewed for you, We're going
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Speaker 4: to have a debate. And and and listen, I'm gonna
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Speaker 4: make a prediction right now. My prediction is tonight Donald
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Speaker 4: Trump is going to kick Joe Biden's ass in this debate.
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Speaker 1: Is How's he going to do that?
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Speaker 2: And I want to go back to sixteen for example,
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Speaker 2: you know, he was on defense a lot.
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Speaker 1: He enjoyed that aspect of the debates.
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Speaker 2: I think at some point when he felt like, Okay,
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Speaker 2: I'm the front runner and everybody's coming at me on
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Speaker 2: the left and the right of the stage. Then in
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Speaker 2: the last presidential debates that he was involved with, he
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Speaker 2: was on defense because of COVID in the economy and
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Speaker 2: inflation and things that were happening. And this time he's
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Speaker 2: not on defense. He can absolutely go on offense. But
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Speaker 2: does he have to be careful about his demeanor? Does
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Speaker 2: he need to philosophically get the audience from point A
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Speaker 2: to point B and kind of tone it down a
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Speaker 2: little bit and make it clear, Hey, look, I'm running
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Speaker 2: because people are hurting and people that were not hurting
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Speaker 2: when I left office are now hurting. Is that a
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Speaker 2: strategy that he should implement. What should demeanor be?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 4: Look, I think it is very important that that he
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Speaker 4: be toned down, that he not come in with a chainsaw.
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Speaker 4: And if you look at the first debate in twenty twenty,
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Speaker 4: the first debate in twenty twenty, he came out swinging,
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Speaker 4: he was attacking, he was relentless, and I think the
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Speaker 4: consequence of it is he bailed Joe Biden out Joe
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Speaker 4: Biden was not doing well, but Trump interrupted so much
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Speaker 4: that that it actually gave Biden an excuse just to
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Speaker 4: shut up and let Trump be super aggressive. And particularly
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Speaker 4: when Biden's answers are not very good, you got to
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Speaker 4: give him a chance to give him and give him
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Speaker 4: the rope to hang himself.
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Speaker 3: And it's interesting.
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Speaker 4: In this same interview Trump did with with with Byron York,
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Speaker 4: he addresses this, So Byron York asks him, says, quote,
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Speaker 4: a lot of people thought in the first debate with
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Speaker 4: Biden that you were somewhat overamped, that you just went
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Speaker 4: after him too much. Trump responds that I interrupt him. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: I think And Byron Yorke says, do you agree with that?
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Speaker 4: And here's what Trump said, Mmm huh. Then, after a
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Speaker 4: short pause, he defended the interruptions before conceding that yes,
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Speaker 4: there were too many. Quote, he lies so much. Trump said,
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Speaker 4: he's going on everything he says is a lie. So
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Speaker 4: I would call him because calling him out two minutes
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Speaker 4: later is very tough because you know it's a lie.
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Speaker 4: It's a lie. Everything's a lie. I've never seen anything
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Speaker 4: like it. So when I would interrupt, it look like
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Speaker 4: I agree. Though the second debate, I handled it much
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Speaker 4: differently and got very good marks. And so look, I
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Speaker 4: understand he was in the attack mode, and that's fine,
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Speaker 4: but it ended up bailing bailing Biden out. I also
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Speaker 4: agree with this comment there that Trump was much more
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Speaker 4: effective in the second debate against Biden than in the first.
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Speaker 4: And what I hope we see tonight is that Trump
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Speaker 4: very calmly lays out the facts that Biden has screwed
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Speaker 4: everything up, that Biden and heer did peace and prosperity,
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Speaker 4: and that right now inflation is hammering working people, that
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Speaker 4: that right now the economy people are hurting, that right
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Speaker 4: now crime is rising far too high, that right now
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Speaker 4: the border is an absolute chaos, and people are dying,
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Speaker 4: and it's the worst in history. That on foreign policy,
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Speaker 4: when Biden came into office, Donald Trump had just finished
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Speaker 4: signing the Abraham Accords, we had peace in the Middle East.
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Speaker 4: We now have two simultaneous wars, and and and what
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Speaker 4: I hope that Trump does is simply lay out the
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Speaker 4: facts that that on almost any every measure, the American
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Speaker 4: people were better off when Trump was president than when
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Speaker 4: Biden is president. And I think those facts are strong
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Speaker 4: enough that he doesn't need to beat Biden over the
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Speaker 4: head with tone or rhetoric. I'd let the facts do
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Speaker 4: the work and and and and force Biden to defend himself.
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Speaker 4: I would also try very much to surprise Biden, to
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Speaker 4: cause him to ask him questions, to challenge him, not
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Speaker 4: in a yelling manner, and because his microphone will be
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Speaker 4: turned off of doesn't have the podium, that will be limited,
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Speaker 4: but to challenge him very directly, to ask him questions
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Speaker 4: that he can't give a set, memorized answer to, because
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Speaker 4: I think Biden's prep team is giving him lots and
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Speaker 4: lots of set memorized answers. They're trying to feed him
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Speaker 4: substance that he can just regurgitate.
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Speaker 2: Final question on this what do you think is the
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Speaker 2: top maybe one to three subjects that Donald Trump has
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Speaker 2: to make sure that he spends quality time on. And
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Speaker 2: I may shock you on this one, you may disagree.
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Speaker 2: I think there's certain issues that you don't spend a
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Speaker 2: lot of time on. For example, I don't think you
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Speaker 2: spend that much time on the Biden crime family, because
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Speaker 2: I think you can get into the weeds and waste
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Speaker 2: valuable time talking to the average American that might not
19:02
Speaker 2: care that much about that compared to the economy, or
19:05
Speaker 2: an open border, or a fetnyl coming across the southern border.
19:09
Speaker 1: The list goes on and on.
19:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I agree with that.
19:13
Speaker 4: There's lots of concerning evidence about Biden corruption, but I
19:17
Speaker 4: think a lot of voters are not following that very closely.
19:20
Speaker 4: Those that are know about it, the rest, I don't
19:22
Speaker 4: think are going to be persuaded by it. I would
19:24
Speaker 4: have just about every comment Trump makes be about how
19:30
Speaker 4: your life is different. Look, the classic question, and in
19:34
Speaker 4: any in any election, is are you better off today
19:38
Speaker 4: than you were four years ago? And and on almost
19:41
Speaker 4: every metric, the answer is clear. For the vast majority
19:44
Speaker 4: of Americans things were better when Trump was president than now,
19:48
Speaker 4: and and and and so I would have it. I
19:50
Speaker 4: would have immigration front and center. I think it is
19:53
Speaker 4: quite likely that that that that Trump is going to
19:57
Speaker 4: talk about Joscelyn Nungary, the the twelve year old beautiful
20:01
Speaker 4: girl who was assaulted and murdered in Houston just a
20:06
Speaker 4: few days ago by two illegal immigrants Joe Biden released.
20:09
Speaker 4: I think he's going to talk about Rachel Marin, the
20:11
Speaker 4: beautiful mother of five who was raped and murdered in
20:14
Speaker 4: suburban Maryland by illegal immigrants that Joe Biden released. I
20:18
Speaker 4: think he's going to talk about the thirteen year old
20:20
Speaker 4: girl just a few days ago who was raped in
20:23
Speaker 4: a public park in New York by an illegal immigrant
20:26
Speaker 4: that Joe Biden released, And I think he's going to
20:28
Speaker 4: talk or he should talk about the eight suspected terrorist
20:32
Speaker 4: isis K terrorist from Tajikistan who were just arrested on
20:37
Speaker 4: suspicion of a terrorist attack a plot, and again who
20:42
Speaker 4: Joe Biden released, and I hope he walks systematically through
20:47
Speaker 4: one after the other after the other. You know, you
20:49
Speaker 4: look at how on defense, how unprepared Biden was for
20:54
Speaker 4: Lake and Riley during the State of the Union, where
20:56
Speaker 4: his defense during the State of the Union was well,
21:00
Speaker 4: an illegal killed her, Well, legals kill people too. You know,
21:04
Speaker 4: if that's Biden's defense, that's not going to go well.
21:07
Speaker 4: And given how horrific the facts are here, I think Trump.
21:14
Speaker 4: You know, there's an old line in a court of law,
21:16
Speaker 4: which is, if you have the facts, you bang the facts.
21:20
Speaker 4: If you have the law, you bang the law. If
21:23
Speaker 4: you have neither, you bang the table. There's some truth
21:28
Speaker 4: to that. The facts of just how bad Biden's record
21:32
Speaker 4: is are so compelling that Trump doesn't need to be overstated.
21:38
Speaker 4: And in fact, in the same interview he went on
21:41
Speaker 4: a little bit more and he said, quote, I was
21:44
Speaker 4: very aggressive in the first one talking about the twenty
21:46
Speaker 4: twenty debate with Biden. The second one I was different,
21:49
Speaker 4: and I got great marks on the second one. It
21:52
Speaker 4: was a little unfair because in the second one a
21:54
Speaker 4: lot of votes had already been cast. So I'm probably
21:57
Speaker 4: gonna look at the scene at the time. It's like
21:59
Speaker 4: a fight. It depends on what the situation is. And
22:02
Speaker 4: and so I think I hope he's going to try
22:06
Speaker 4: more to emulate how he conducted the second debate. I
22:11
Speaker 4: think he was much stronger in the second debate. And
22:14
Speaker 4: I think you asked what topics that Trump is going
22:18
Speaker 4: to be sure to raise, And that's actually when you
22:21
Speaker 4: asked me before, Ben about preparing for debates. When I
22:24
Speaker 4: thought about a Supreme Court argument, I would always come
22:27
Speaker 4: up with a list of what I call must raise points,
22:31
Speaker 4: and they're typically three to five points. And my test
22:33
Speaker 4: for it was if when the argument was done and
22:36
Speaker 4: I sat down, if this point had not come out
22:42
Speaker 4: of my mouth, would I be pissed. Would I be
22:44
Speaker 4: kicking myself saying how did I get through this oral
22:47
Speaker 4: argument and not make this point? Because it is critical,
22:49
Speaker 4: it is why we should prevail in this Supreme Court argument.
22:53
Speaker 4: I would think about debates the same way, and when
22:56
Speaker 4: I prepare for them, I do I think about, all right,
23:00
Speaker 4: what are the substitutive points that, more than anything else,
23:04
Speaker 4: I want people at the end of the debate to
23:06
Speaker 4: remember and to say, this is what the election is
23:09
Speaker 4: all about. So I think immigration is going to be
23:12
Speaker 4: a huge part about it. I think it's the biggest
23:14
Speaker 4: issue in this election. I think inflation in the economy
23:18
Speaker 4: is right behind it, and I think people are really
23:20
Speaker 4: unhappy with inflation in the economy. And I think I
23:23
Speaker 4: hope Trump does a good job of laying out, for example,
23:27
Speaker 4: the connection of energy and the Biden administration's war on
23:31
Speaker 4: American energy and why that's driving inflation. I think that's
23:34
Speaker 4: a very powerful point. And then I also think on
23:37
Speaker 4: foreign policy, look, Trump is going to point out what
23:40
Speaker 4: is it with Democrats in forever wars? That when Trump
23:43
Speaker 4: was president, he got us out of a war, he
23:46
Speaker 4: defeated ISIS and ended the war, and Joe Biden gets office,
23:52
Speaker 4: and he goes from peace and prosperity to the biggest
23:56
Speaker 4: war in Europe since World War II and the worst
23:58
Speaker 4: war in the Middle East in fifty years. And objectively,
24:01
Speaker 4: the whole world is on fire. And I think Biden.
24:06
Speaker 4: Biden has a lot of hubris, a lot of arrogance.
24:08
Speaker 4: He thinks is a foreign policy expert. And I think
24:12
Speaker 4: Trump making the point that Joe, you've screwed the entire
24:17
Speaker 4: world up, that there has not been a president who's
24:21
Speaker 4: messed foreign policy up this badly since Jimmy Carter. I
24:25
Speaker 4: think that will drive Biden crazy and is a point
24:27
Speaker 4: I really hope Trump makes.
24:29
Speaker 2: There's another debate that's going to take place outside of
24:33
Speaker 2: the Trump the Biden debate, and that is the debate
24:37
Speaker 2: that could happen with CNN in the commentators. The two
24:41
Speaker 2: people that have been chosen are huge hacks that cannot
24:46
Speaker 2: stand Donald Trump.
24:47
Speaker 1: The evidence here, it is.
24:49
Speaker 6: The dehumanizing rhetoric of Adolf Hitler is once again alive
24:54
Speaker 6: and well on a national political stage, this time, of course,
24:58
Speaker 6: in the United States, this time give in life by
25:00
Speaker 6: former presidents and current Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump. If
25:04
Speaker 6: you were to open up a copy of Hitler's Mindkomf
25:08
Speaker 6: you would find the Nazi leader describing the mixing of
25:11
Speaker 6: non Germans with Germans as poisoning. There's really no other
25:16
Speaker 6: way to say it. Donald Trump's language mirrors this directly.
25:20
Speaker 7: Longstanding anti Semitic trope that the true allegiance for Jews
25:25
Speaker 7: is to their religion rather than their country. It was
25:27
Speaker 7: used in Nazi Germany to justify the arrest, persecutions, and
25:31
Speaker 7: mass killings attempted extermination of the Jewish people, and Trump
25:35
Speaker 7: has been pushing this trope for years.
25:38
Speaker 2: Those are your two moderators of the debate, Senator, and look,
25:45
Speaker 2: I worked with Dana. I've done presidential debates with Dana.
25:48
Speaker 2: I've done post preimposed election coverage, convention coverage, debate coverage
25:55
Speaker 2: with her and with Jake Tapper. I witness it for
25:59
Speaker 2: seven years behind the scenes. They both hate Trump, they
26:03
Speaker 2: both hate conservatives. This is normal. There's no way this
26:07
Speaker 2: is going to be a fair fight. How would you
26:09
Speaker 2: deal with it?
26:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, they're going to come after him relentlessly. You're right.
26:14
Speaker 4: I've done lots and lots of interviews with both both
26:18
Speaker 4: Jake and Dana. I've done presidential debates with Jake and Dana.
26:22
Speaker 4: They're going to come in with an agenda. You know,
26:24
Speaker 4: it's ironic the portion you raised. You look at right
26:27
Speaker 4: now where all of the vicious anti semitism is coming from,
26:31
Speaker 4: and it's the left. It's the radical left that are
26:33
Speaker 4: protesting on campus, it's the squad, it's the Democrat Party.
26:37
Speaker 4: And yet in CNN world, it's Trump that is anti semitic.
26:42
Speaker 4: And it's just it is. They're coming in with a
26:46
Speaker 4: clear agenda. I don't expect them to ask difficult questions Biden.
26:50
Speaker 4: I expect them to go after relentlessly. I think they're
26:53
Speaker 4: obsessed with January sixth. I think you're going to get
26:56
Speaker 4: multiple questions about January sixth. They're going to try to
26:58
Speaker 4: prosecute them January sixth. I also we've seen CNN is
27:02
Speaker 4: obsessed with the trials. I think you're gonna get questions
27:05
Speaker 4: about Gene Carroll. I think you're gonna get questions about
27:08
Speaker 4: Stormy Daniels. By the way, none of which matters to
27:13
Speaker 4: an American family who's worried about putting food on the table,
27:16
Speaker 4: who's worried about keeping their kids safe. But CNN is
27:20
Speaker 4: not trying to ask questions that are helpful for a
27:24
Speaker 4: voter to decide whom to vote for instead. And when
27:29
Speaker 4: I said Trump should be overstated, I meant really with
27:32
Speaker 4: respect to Biden. If if CNN it acts like you
27:37
Speaker 4: and I both think they're gonna act, which is as
27:39
Speaker 4: wild eyed partisans. I think Trump should should be perfectly
27:43
Speaker 4: fine just calling them out on it. And they're so
27:47
Speaker 4: thin skin that they're so sensitive.
27:50
Speaker 3: You know.
27:50
Speaker 4: It was really striking this week when when when you
27:53
Speaker 4: had a spokeswoman for the Trump campaign on CNN and
27:57
Speaker 4: she was laying out both both Jake and Dana's long
28:00
Speaker 4: history of antagonism to Trump, and CNN ended the interview.
28:04
Speaker 4: They're like, no, no, I'm not gonna let you talk
28:06
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28:10
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28:14
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28:19
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28:24
Speaker 4: I think they are really thin skinned, and I think
28:27
Speaker 4: we're going to see that tonight.
28:29
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Speaker 2: another shocking story. Uh, and it is one that I
30:34
Speaker 2: wish I could say I didn't think we would see. Unfortunately,
30:40
Speaker 2: you predicted it. We've talked about it that this was
30:42
Speaker 2: going to keep happening. This one, though, is extremely concerning.
30:46
Speaker 2: The Department of Homeland Security has identified now quote, over
30:50
Speaker 2: four hundred migrants brought to the US by an ISIS
30:55
Speaker 2: affiliated human smuggling network, and now they are they're desperately
31:01
Speaker 2: trying to find people they had caught and released. Now
31:05
Speaker 2: over one hundred and fifty of them have been arrested,
31:08
Speaker 2: but the whereabouts of over fifty remain unknown.
31:13
Speaker 1: Your reaction.
31:15
Speaker 4: Look, this is a shocking story that in some ways
31:18
Speaker 4: is not shocking because we know that this administration that
31:22
Speaker 4: Joe Biden and the Democrats have effectively rolled out the
31:25
Speaker 4: red carpet and with open borders, have given an invitation
31:29
Speaker 4: to terrorists to come into the country. But even so,
31:34
Speaker 4: the degree of naivete and reckless disregard for the safety
31:38
Speaker 4: of Americans is remarkable. So here's the story. According to NBC,
31:43
Speaker 4: and I'm just going to quote NBC quote, the Department
31:46
Speaker 4: of Homeland Security has identified over four hundred immigrants from
31:49
Speaker 4: Central Asia and elsewhere who crossed into the US in
31:52
Speaker 4: the past three years as subjects of concern because they
31:56
Speaker 4: were brought by an ISIS affiliated human smug network, three
32:01
Speaker 4: US officials tell NBC News. While over one hundred and
32:04
Speaker 4: fifty of them have been arrested, the whereabouts of over
32:07
Speaker 4: fifty remain unknown, the official said, and Immigration and Customs
32:10
Speaker 4: Enforcement is looking to arrest them on immigration charges when
32:14
Speaker 4: they are located. One of the US officials and people
32:18
Speaker 4: said people affiliated with ISIS are operating as human smugglers
32:23
Speaker 4: in Central Asia and helping people there leave their countries
32:26
Speaker 4: and travel to the West, where they are smuggled into
32:29
Speaker 4: the US. It is not known whether the human smuggling
32:32
Speaker 4: activity directly funds ISIS activities, or whether ISIS members are
32:37
Speaker 4: making personal money through human smuggling on the side, the
32:40
Speaker 4: US official said. The official added that the US has
32:44
Speaker 4: no indication that the more than four hundred migrants brought
32:48
Speaker 4: to the US by the network have plans to carry
32:51
Speaker 4: out terrorism in the US, but immigration agents are looking
32:55
Speaker 4: to arrest them out of an abundance of caution. And
32:58
Speaker 4: here's a quote from the Bible Administration quote. In this case,
33:03
Speaker 4: it was the information that suggested a potential tie to
33:05
Speaker 4: ISIS because some of the individuals involved in smuggling migrants
33:09
Speaker 4: to the borders, that led us to want to take
33:12
Speaker 4: extra care and out of an abundance of caution, make
33:15
Speaker 4: sure that we exercised our authority in the most expansive
33:18
Speaker 4: and appropriate way to mitigate risk because of this potential
33:21
Speaker 4: connection being made.
33:23
Speaker 3: Now that's the.
33:24
Speaker 4: Quote, And what utter and complete garbage out of an
33:28
Speaker 4: abundance of caution, Yeah, we let four hundred people go
33:31
Speaker 4: that ISIS had smuggled into the country because we're so cautious,
33:34
Speaker 4: and then we realized, wait a second, there's an election.
33:37
Speaker 4: There's an election coming up in five months, and all
33:40
Speaker 4: these people that ISIS smuggled in if they carry out
33:42
Speaker 4: a terrorist attack and people realize we let them go,
33:45
Speaker 4: that's going to be a real problem.
33:46
Speaker 3: Oh crap, does anyone know where they are?
33:48
Speaker 5: Like?
33:49
Speaker 3: What an insane statement?
33:53
Speaker 2: Well, and not just insane, but it's also interesting to
33:56
Speaker 2: see now how the media is covering this. NBC Nightly
33:59
Speaker 2: News actually ran this on the Nightly News and called
34:04
Speaker 2: it an NBC investigation.
34:06
Speaker 1: Listen tonight.
34:07
Speaker 8: NBC News has learned more than fifty migrants with potential
34:11
Speaker 8: ties to an ISIS affiliated smuggling network are at large
34:15
Speaker 8: in America. Many illegally crossed the border and were released
34:18
Speaker 8: into the US by border patrol because there was no
34:21
Speaker 8: information suggesting terrortize at the time. Now their whereabouts are
34:25
Speaker 8: unknown as immigration agents look to arrest them.
34:28
Speaker 1: US officials tell.
34:29
Speaker 8: Us saying they're among a group of over four hundred
34:32
Speaker 8: migrants DHS identified in the US from Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Moldova, Kyrkistan, Georgia,
34:39
Speaker 8: and Russia as subjects of concern because they were brought
34:42
Speaker 8: to the US by an ISIS affiliated smuggling network, something
34:46
Speaker 8: the FBI director warned about earlier this year.
34:49
Speaker 2: Some of the overseas facilitators of the smuggling network have
34:52
Speaker 2: ISIS ties that were very concerned about.
34:55
Speaker 8: Ice IS located and arrested over one hundred and fifty
34:58
Speaker 8: of the four hundred migrants so with some already deported
35:02
Speaker 8: from the US. Officials say, adding authorities are not panicking
35:05
Speaker 8: because their ties to ISIS are not certain, but they're
35:08
Speaker 8: prioritizing their arrest out of an abundance of caution.
35:12
Speaker 5: The problem is the volume of people coming across the
35:15
Speaker 5: southern border. Individuals from ISIS and other affiliated groups have
35:20
Speaker 5: recognized it as a weak point in our defense, and
35:23
Speaker 5: they're using this opportunity to try to sneak in.
35:27
Speaker 8: NBC News was first to report on a similar arrest
35:30
Speaker 8: of a newsback man in Baltimore whose country alerted the
35:33
Speaker 8: US he was affiliated with ISIS. That man, like the
35:36
Speaker 8: others apprehended so far, was arrested on immigration charges, not
35:40
Speaker 8: terrorism related charges. ISIS k has claimed responsibility for deadly
35:44
Speaker 8: terror attacks in Russia and Iran in the past year,
35:48
Speaker 8: and recently, the DHS Inspector General sharply criticizing vetting at
35:52
Speaker 8: the US southern border, saying DHS is at risk of
35:55
Speaker 8: admitting dangerous persons into the country or enabling asylum seekers
35:59
Speaker 8: who may pot significant threats to public safety and national
36:03
Speaker 8: security to continue to reside in the United States. Two
36:06
Speaker 8: senior law enforcement officials told NBC News they are not
36:09
Speaker 8: tracking a terror plot from this group of migrants, but
36:12
Speaker 8: their arrest on immigration charges come out of an abundance
36:15
Speaker 8: of caution.
36:16
Speaker 2: Lester, They sure do you like that word center, abundance
36:19
Speaker 2: of caution? I also love in there. That one line
36:23
Speaker 2: that really just made me laugh is quote authorities are
36:26
Speaker 2: quote not panicking. Really that's supposed to make me feel better.
36:31
Speaker 4: Well remarkably, though, what they're not panicking about is not
36:36
Speaker 4: the actual public safety threat. It's not keeping Americans safe.
36:40
Speaker 4: It's the political exposure. They're freaked out because there's an
36:45
Speaker 4: election in a few months and they realize, oh no,
36:48
Speaker 4: this could look really bad for us. It has been
36:52
Speaker 4: the consistent pattern of this White House that they do
36:55
Speaker 4: not prioritize national security. Everything everything, everything is partisan politics,
37:00
Speaker 4: and Okay, what I'm about to say, it's not hyperbole.
37:05
Speaker 4: It is accurate day after day, week after week, month
37:10
Speaker 4: after month. For three and a half years, Joe Biden
37:12
Speaker 4: the Democrats have released illegal immigrants who are murderers, who
37:18
Speaker 4: are rapists, who are child molesters, who are gang members,
37:22
Speaker 4: and who are being smuggled in by isis K, a
37:28
Speaker 4: known terrorist organization, and they're letting them go. They're letting
37:34
Speaker 4: them go the four hundred notice notice in that NBC
37:36
Speaker 4: report they said they were released by the Biden administration.
37:40
Speaker 4: So we apprehended them, said, oh, look, isis K bringing
37:43
Speaker 4: someone in? All right, let's let them go? Like that
37:46
Speaker 4: is it defies words. And if there were not an
37:53
Speaker 4: election in five months, I don't think the Biden administration
37:56
Speaker 4: would be doing anything at all about it. This is
37:58
Speaker 4: all about cover it up until after election day and
38:02
Speaker 4: then we can let them go again. And I don't
38:05
Speaker 4: get Actually, I do not understand the thought process. If
38:10
Speaker 4: you're Alejandro Mayorcus help me on this, Ben, Seriously, if
38:14
Speaker 4: you're Alejandro Mayorcis, You're like, hey, four hundred people, isis
38:17
Speaker 4: case smuggled in?
38:18
Speaker 3: Should we let them go? Like?
38:20
Speaker 4: What is how do the brain synapses fire for your
38:24
Speaker 4: answer to be yep, let them go.
38:26
Speaker 1: Yeah.
38:26
Speaker 2: And the scary part is I think they just say
38:29
Speaker 2: this is just part of that. You've got to take
38:31
Speaker 2: the bad with the good, and their definition of good
38:34
Speaker 2: is letting millions in. So, hey, we know there's gonna
38:37
Speaker 2: be bad actors in those millions. We can't check them
38:39
Speaker 2: all out fast enough as we're allowing them to flood
38:42
Speaker 2: into this country. So that's just our policy. There may
38:45
Speaker 2: be terrorists to get in here. Oh wait, there are
38:47
Speaker 2: terrorists to get in here. We know there's people on
38:49
Speaker 2: the terrorists watch list, and we're just gonna do it anyway.
38:51
Speaker 2: But right before the election, we're going to clean it
38:53
Speaker 2: up a little bit and look like we're being proactive.
38:57
Speaker 4: I've said this multiple times, but I very much believe it.
39:00
Speaker 4: We are today at a greater risk of a major
39:03
Speaker 4: terrorist attack than we have been any time since September eleventh,
39:07
Speaker 4: and the director of the FBI has been saying that
39:11
Speaker 4: over and over and over again in congressional testimony. What
39:15
Speaker 4: the FBI is looking at, I'm confident, is even worse
39:19
Speaker 4: than what we're talking about. And that is the direct
39:24
Speaker 4: consequence of utterly reckless policies of open borders, and to
39:29
Speaker 4: tie this to what we started at the beginning. I
39:32
Speaker 4: think this should be front and center what Trump is
39:35
Speaker 4: talking about tonight at the debate.
39:37
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you that was gonna be
39:38
Speaker 2: my final question for you is if CNN doesn't bring
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Speaker 2: it up, do you force the issue if because I
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Speaker 2: have a feeling they're going to be playing defense for
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Speaker 2: Joe Biden. So does the president go all in on
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Speaker 2: these type of issues even if they don't bring them up.
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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, absolutely, yes.
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Speaker 1: Bring it up. No matter what, I love it.
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Speaker 2: We're going to be obviously giving you guys, guys a
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