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E266: Freedom of Speech, Islam, and the Left w/Andrew and Noleen Sedra | Lila Rose Show · The Lila Rose Show

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  That's the difference between leftism and Christianity is that
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  we believe that transformation fundamentally happened in the
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  sword. In Christianity, our word is our
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  sword. In Islam, their sword is their
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  word. That's why they have apostasy
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  laws and blasphemy laws. I think about the words of Saint
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  Paul. You can beat me.
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  You can try to kill me. I'm shipwrecked.
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  And like he went through everything to spread the Gospel,
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  never raising the sword. Freedom is fundamentally a
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  Christian concept. It's not a liberal concept, it's
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  not a secular concept, it's not even a feminist concept.
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  I think knowledge of other religions is really important
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  and I think most people have no idea about the life of Mohammed
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  or the founding of Islam. I'm putting my life in danger by
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  me telling you what Islam is and where Islam is taking the West.
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  Do we take religious liberty and our personal security for
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  granted in America? Today's conversation is an
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  intense one, shaped by the experiences of a religious
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  refugee from Islamic Egypt and a South African whose family left
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  their home for fear of racial violence.
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  Andrew and Noeline Sager have a warning message to Americans
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  about what can happen if the foundations of religious freedom
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  and moral values are chipped away.
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  We discuss modern feminism, leftism, radical Islam, weak
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  Christianity, and the implications of all of these
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  As with most guests on The Lila Roe Show, I don't agree with
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  100% of everything our guests share, but I think the
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  conversations that we have are valuable.
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  Andrew and Noeline Sedra, thanks for joining.
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  I'm so glad you guys are here. Yeah.
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  Lila, it is awesome to be with you.
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  It's a beautiful place. California is very beautiful.
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  God is good that it's God's. It's God's California, right?
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  This is his state. I love it.
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  I didn't feel it. And I'm glad.
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  I'm glad this worked out because I know you're here because of a
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  lost passport. And I benefit because you you
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  have stayed longer. So we get to have this sit down.
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  Yeah. So God's appointed moment, I
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  guess. Yeah, shout out to Andrew's
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  brother who took Andrew's passport home back to Sydney, so
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  you know, so. He has the passport.
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  He has, yeah. So I didn't lose it because I
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  don't lose stuff. I just misplace it and I find
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  that three weeks later like I did have that so.
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  But you had to go get another one, it sounds like and so, but
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  so you have now you're going to have two, but one is cancelled
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  and stuck in Australia. Yeah, it was the whole thing.
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  It was, yeah, traumatic. OK, so we obviously had on your
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  lovely Martin and Millicent the baby brother.
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  I know you're the Big Brother. Hairy brother.
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  Yeah, the not twin brother, not the twin.
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  Brother. So I'd love to just hear a
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  background on the 2 of you. You have doing some beautiful
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  work in Australia championing life, championing marriage.
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  That's very controversial, especially in Australia.
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  I think in some ways they're more far gone than the United
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  States. Tell me about how you guys
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  started your work and also how you got met each other and got
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  married. Yeah, we are.
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  We're very grateful to the Lord. We kind of grew up in the
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  Islamic world of Egypt as a family, so we escaped Islamic
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  Egypt to Australia as religious refugees.
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  My dad is a Christian. He was literally just preaching
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  the gospel, converting Muslims to Christianity, which is
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  illegal in Egypt. So you have what you call
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  blasphemy laws, which are designed to make sure if this
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  conversation happened, if a pastor or any Christian
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  criticizes Islam, they will get killed on the street by fatwa or
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  they will go to jail where they're going to get tortured or
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  die. You also had what you call
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  apostasy laws, and apostasy laws were designed to make sure if
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  any Muslim ever becomes a Christian, they will get killed
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  on the street by Muslim Brotherhood or Hamas or some
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  form of Islamic terrorism organization, or they would go
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  to jail and get torture. So we kind of grew up in that
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  Islamic world. So I did literally adna test one
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  year ago and I was 98 to 99% Coptic.
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  So we would like the original pagans that when Mark came to
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  Egypt in 5080, there was a massive revival.
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  The gospel was preached to the end of the earth.
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  So Egypt by 360 was like 90% Christian.
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  So we would like the ancient Egyptian Coptic people that as
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  Islam took over Egypt by the force in 680, they literally
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  killed the man, raped the woman, enslaved the children, burned
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  the Bible, destroyed Egypt. Christianity was literally
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  genocided in Egypt that in the last 1400 years, Islam and
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  Muslim, Islam and Muslims literally genocided Christians
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  to the point that Egypt went from 90% Christian.
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  Now it's 10% Christian from 0% Muslim.
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  Now it's 90% Muslims. So my family, me Martin joined.
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  The reason we have that crazy courage is because we literally
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  escaped from the Islamic world for simply proclaiming the word
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  of the Lord. That's why we're there.
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  People say you got that crazy and extreme.
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  I'm like, I'm not really extreme.
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  I just grew up in a very extreme world.
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  So you were born in Egypt? I was born in Egypt.
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  And your dad, why did he choose? Was he born in Egypt too?
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  Your. Parents and your mother were
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  born in Egypt. So my dad was literally, he had
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  a massive encounter with the Lord.
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  So you know, so as a consequence, there was that fire
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  of God burning in him in Egypt. Most Christians would simply not
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  speak about the gospel because it's illegal.
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  You need to understand proclaiming the name of Jesus
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  outside of the four walls of church in Egypt is a criminal
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  offense and punishable by jail or you get killed in the street.
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  Just a few weeks ago there was a young Christian man called Bola
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  Bolas who went to jail and we don't know how long he's going
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  to be there for simply helping a young Muslim to know Jesus.
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  So we have blasphemy laws, apostasy laws.
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  So you need to understand revival was where I was born was
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  illegal. You could never build a church.
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  You can never establish a church.
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  Fulfilling the Great Commission, which is going to all the world
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  and make disciples was literally a criminal offense.
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  So coming to America and to Australia like this is crazy.
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  You can actually build a church. So you're like, I better get
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  buildings and somebody. You're just like, yeah.
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  You know, and that's why I'm like, I'm very passionate.
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  Like dude, I grew up in a world where you could never, ever
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  having a revival with a criminal offence fulfilling the, the
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  Great Commission was illegal. And that's why I'm very
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  passionate about bringing the Kingdom of God down because
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  Egypt has been Muslim for the last 1400 years.
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  And guess what? There is nothing we can do about
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  it. And and you growing up, were you
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  worried about the safety of your father because he became an
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  evangelizer, he became a preacher, A. 100.
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  Percent in the family growing up or maybe you had trust in God,
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  of course, but there's this like insecurity of I could my father
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  could come not come home today. The practicality of living in
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  the Middle East as a Christian is very, very, very dangerous.
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  So you went to church not knowing what would happen to you
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  if you happen to live in South Egypt.
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  Sometime they'll have a raid. They would go to a church and
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  just behead people. So we grew up in a world we're
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  going to church on Christmas or Easter.
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  There was a high possibility of you dying, literally.
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  And on the other hand, for some reason I saw Christians learning
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  up to go to church every single week during Christmas, during
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  Easter, with the possibility of you getting bombed or beheaded.
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  So that is the reality of where I grew up now, preaching the
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  gospel. You're crazy.
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  When you come to Australia, I remember Martin telling the
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  story on the show and the kidnapping threats and the death
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  threats to the point where your dad was like, it's not in good
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  conscience. I can't keep my family in Egypt.
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  So he basically fled them and the family to Australia for
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  religious persecution. And they got, they got refugee
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  status, right? You've had refugee status in in
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  Australia when you were born and raised.
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  Are you from Australia? No, I was born in South Africa.
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  Oh wow. Interesting.
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  Oh. Yeah, So I think it's very
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  interesting, like God brought two people out of Africa to
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  Australia and now we're in America, like doing ministry.
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  It's just only God could do that.
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  But I don't know. I think, I'm not sure how
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  familiar you are with South Africa.
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  We've had very similar stories of like, you know, my mom being
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  in a car with me and my sister who was a infant at the time.
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  They'd like run out of gas on the side of the road and being
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  faced with like a mob of black South African men wanting to,
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  you know, smash the window in to come in and rape her and the
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  supernatural power of God, like showing up.
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  And you know, the amount of stories we have where similar
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  situations, but a different political situation of like our
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  lives were genuinely threatened for the colour of our skin for
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  the most part. So my parents were very similar.
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  We can't in good conscience raise our children in this
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  country. And so they differently.
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  It's not refugee status. They applied for working visas
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  after two years, landed in in Australia and then a few years
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  later Andrew and I meet. I think in Egypt you're facing
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  Islam. In South Africa you're facing
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  critical race theory. Oh yeah, But it's institutional.
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  So you have the black. What?
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  What was happening there? Yeah, I mean, I I shared this
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  actually a few months ago on my social media.
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  I don't know if you saw like when Trump met with the South
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  African president and kind of pressed him on some of the
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  political statements that are being made by politicians in the
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  country that the government is just outright denying.
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  But he had shown videos, played videos in the Oval Office of
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  what is happening. And I kind of.
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  Literal genocide of white South Africans.
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  Yeah, so I had put a video out kind of explaining that there's
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  a lot of stories about this, but like my granddad dad was a white
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  farmer who was murdered in his house by a man who said I killed
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  him because he's white and I want to take back my.
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  Land. Sorry.
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  Well, yeah, I mean, thank you. It's just.
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  A Did that happen recently or when he that was?
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  About eight years ago now and crazy enough.
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  So sorry, it's been happening for that long and and only now
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  is kind of the recognition coming, which honestly, thanks
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  to Elon Musk, I think he was the kind of the one who who told
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  Donald Trump about that President Trump.
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  So it's a very interesting situation.
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  And I think coming from a place, a country of that much
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  hostility, I think I was just raised to different and I think
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  it's not a coincidence. Yeah, I think, I don't think
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  it's a coincidence that Andrew and I met.
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  Like our families are very resilient and also very
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  passionate about the gospel. Like when you're in a situation
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  where you know you're not living comfortably, you really have to
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  make those tough conversations and tough decisions is, do I
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  actually believe what I believe? Am I willing to die for what I
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  believe? And I think that's just why we
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  found each other, because we've made those decisions
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  individually before we even started dating so.
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  When you were growing up, did you ever go to your
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  grandfather's house? Have you ever been?
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  I did he so he lived on like farmland.
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  So we saw him every now and then.
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  But it was it was tough because after moving to Australia, what
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  my parents were trying to do, their next mission was to bring
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  their families over. Including your grandfather.
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  Yeah, well, we tried to bring everyone.
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  And so it was kind of a this had happened obviously nine years
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  ago, but my parents tried ever since we moved.
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  We moved when I was 7. I'm now 29.
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  So it was a long time of doing that.
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  But politically it was just way more complicated.
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  There was a lot going on and there were times where you think
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  maybe the country's going into a good direction, but for the most
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  part it was like things going downhill.
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  We got to get our family out and unfortunately we weren't able to
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  do it in time. I think in the West and the US,
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  it can be hard because white supremacy historically is part
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  of our, our story. And it's horrible, right?
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  I mean, the way that we enslaved people because of the color of
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  their skin, evil against God, against our Lord, it's a sin,
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  right? Racism is a sin.
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  And so when we hear stories of the, the opposite kind of
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  racism, like out of South Africa, like your father
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  endured. And I know there's both racial
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  tensions on both sides in South Africa.
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  It's, it's, it's complicated, it's messy.
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  And we could have a whole podcast episode just on that and
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  your experience with it. But I think in the US, it can be
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  hard to understand an experience like yours because we're used to
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  more the white supremacy and the, you know, the, the, the
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  destructive policies against blacks in this country.
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  Historically, our, our historical record isn't
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  destructive institutional policies against whites.
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  It's. Against blacks and I don't think
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  that it's a very, I don't think it's a wise take to kind of pick
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  a side, if that makes sense. Like nobody's picking sides
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  racially. You have to kind of look
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  holistically at the political complications.
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  So obviously, yes, there was apartheid in South Africa, there
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  was a messy history as well. But what I am doing is looking
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  at what is happening now and it's a narrative that is being
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  silenced because it does not align with your classic critical
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  race theory ideologies. So what I hate is ideologies
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  that get inserted and asserted into people's experiences, into
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  the facts, things that are actually happening because,
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  well, it's not Marxist. It doesn't line up with the that
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  we're trying to promote. So let's just shut down
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  everybody's personal experience and the facts that are actually
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  happening. Yeah, it is a massive swing in
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  cultural revolutions, as you can know, like the media screaming
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  race, race phrase. Jesus came preaching grace,
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  grace, grace. The media saying so that the car
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  of your skin, Jesus said that he's came to transform your sin.
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  The media keeps on making people focus on their colour.
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  Jesus literally came to transform your character.
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  And what we're watching across the West is literally the racism
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  narrative being flipped because racism is not a skin issue, it's
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  a sin issue. You can be a minority and
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  racist. You can be a majority and
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  racist. You can be black and racist.
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  You can be white and racist. Racism is a sin issue.
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  It's a heart issue, it's a human issue, it's not a system issue.
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  But the problem happens when you get the.
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  Less it can become a system issue if enough people's heart
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  issues are not dealt with. But you're like, what you're
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  saying is it starts in the heart.
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  It starts in the heart, it ends with the system.
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  And that's the difference between leftism and Christianity
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  is that we believe that transformation fundamentally
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  happened in the soul, not in the system.
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  The system is the expression of the soul.
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  But ultimately, unless repentance takes place, unrest,
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  heart regeneration takes place. You are just playing with a
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  bunch of system and politics and policies.
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  And we can pass all the laws in the world, but if there's no
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  genuine heart transformation, this is just a bunch of
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  whatever's ideas. And we're literally watching
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  that. And you're now seeing the the
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  flipping of racism coming from the white, coming from the black
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  in South Africa. This is the actual reality.
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  Like babe, you were in Bible College in Hillsong and then
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  they literally told you that black people cannot be racist.
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  Yeah, I mean, this was a. Great theory, obviously.
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  Yeah. I mean, I think it's just it's
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  complicated because there was a conversation.
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  Theology of social justice. Theology of social justice and
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  the the quote kind of came up that you can't really be racist
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  to like a white person and obviously.
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  They've always been the ones to do the greatest perpetration and
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  harm is is the idea. Yes.
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  And I think just most people were at the time that was like
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  what, 7 years ago. So it was pretty fresh that my
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  grandfather had been murdered over.
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  The colour of his skin, yes. And I think there were like a
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  couple of white S Africans in the room that were like, well,
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  what about this group of people? Like you can't just have a
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  blanket statement like that. And that just goes to back to
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  what Andrew's saying. It's, it's not a skin colour
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  issue, It's a sole issue. And I guess that's why we're in
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  the ministry business. That's why we are dedicated to
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  building the church. Because as much as we're
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  passionate about politics and we want to see some legislative
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  change, we actually believe at the core of it, you know, people
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  are the problem. The sole is the problem,
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  original sin is the problem. So if you can transform someones
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  soul and do the work of God to actually bring transformation
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  What have you noticed in your work and especially coming from
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  your different backgrounds, which I think give this such a
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  unique perspective to Australia and the US?
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  Because I think in Australia and the US, we are very comfortable.
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  We're very comfortable. Christians are very comfortable
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  because we have not seen the persecution that Christians
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  daily endure in nations across the globe.
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  Not all nations, but many. Increasingly, actually it's it's
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  heating up right now. Thank the Lord for President
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  Trump, who's actually highlighting it like Nigeria,
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  Sudan, it's happening everywhere.
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  Well, I think in the, in the West, we struggle to understand
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  it because it's so unfamiliar to us.
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  And, and I do think some Christians in the West are like,
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  oh, you know, you're trying to like, you know, they, they force
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  me to bake a cake for a same sex couple.
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  That is a form of religious persecution.
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  It's economic persecution against Christians.
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  It's wrong, it's immoral. I I think that's something
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  that's being worked out in the US as an example.
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  So it's not to say there's zero persecution here, but there's
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  you're not going out and risking your life the way you are in
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  other countries now. Something happened, like Charlie
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  Kirk's assassination, and it seems very.
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  Persecution Like Charlie Kirk is a religious martyr whether you
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  like it or not. He's a prophet St. and a
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  religious martyr. He got killed while literally
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  proclaiming the word of the Lord.
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  He was literally speaking about the death and resurrection of
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  Jesus Christ. 5 minutes because before he murdered he got
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  literally killed for speaking freedom, family and faith.
• 19:09
  His blood was spilled on the street.
• 19:13
  Charlie Kirk is a modern day Marta.
• 19:15
  It didn't look like what you expected.
• 19:18
  All you need to do is to look at that video, which was
• 19:21
  heartbreaking, mind blowing. I remember we woke up on a
• 19:25
  Thursday and we saw that video on like, Oh my gosh, it's
• 19:27
  happening. And paradoxically enough, we now
• 19:30
  have in America what you call a religious martyr, which is like
• 19:33
  an oxymoron or a paradox like you never really had in America,
• 19:37
  someone killed for faith, family, freedom.
• 19:39
  Well, I think about this. Happening now.
• 19:41
  The kids at the school in Michigan, what's the name of the
• 19:44
  school? Can you pull up the name the
• 19:46
  Catholic school where these young kids were at mass?
• 19:50
  One week before. Yes, one week.
• 19:51
  Before about to I mean I'm getting chills talking about I
• 19:54
  want to cry talking about I've been following these kids
• 19:56
  stories because some of them are recovering from their attempted
• 20:00
  murder and and many of them did die and were murdered and it was
• 20:04
  the same killer as the alleged killer of Charlie, which was a
• 20:08
  young radicalized person who hated God so much.
• 20:12
  Yes, identifying as LGBTQ, particularly the T who?
• 20:17
  Although the alleged assessment of Charlie, it sounds like his
• 20:20
  boyfriend was a or girlfriend, he was a transgender young
• 20:24
  person, Deeply confused and disturbed.
• 20:27
  But ideology, anti Christian and anti reality.
• 20:31
  Because Christianity isn't just a matter of faith.
• 20:33
  It's a matter of God's Kingdom and natural order and design.
• 20:35
  It's reality as we understand it and as we can perceive it.
• 20:39
  God gave us the intellect and the ability to perceive his
• 20:41
  order and his his design. So it's reality.
• 20:44
  It's obviously faith. It's divine revelation, but
• 20:47
  those children were killed for their faith.
• 20:50
  Yes. Annunciation.
• 20:51
  Thank you, Harris. It's it's happening.
• 20:54
  It's happening. There are two massive enemies of
• 20:57
  Christendom at this point of time, what I call the gay
• 20:59
  jihadist and the Muslim jihadist.
• 21:02
  And these are the two groups of people that bomb churches, that
• 21:05
  shoot Christians. It's crazy that when I would see
• 21:08
  what happened to Charlie Kirk on the street from a gay jihadist
• 21:11
  that I call them. That's exactly what happened to
• 21:13
  Egypt from the Islamic Jihadist. And what's crazy at the moment,
• 21:16
  they're now combining forces Quiz for Palestine, gays for
• 21:20
  Gaza. You're literally watching the
• 21:22
  combination between gay jihad and Muslim jihad take place.
• 21:28
  You saw it seems. So incompatible though, because
• 21:30
  Islam as I understand it and we've been trying to learn more
• 21:33
  about Islam on the show, but Islam as I understand it
• 21:36
  considers, you know, LGBTQ like a disorder, that form of
• 21:39
  disordered sexuality. Now they are OK with polygamy,
• 21:42
  but that form of disordered sexuality, same sex relations as
• 21:46
  totally antithetical to their faith.
• 21:48
  Yeah, yeah, but it's a very paradoxical thing because Islam
• 21:52
  is LGBTQ but Islam, Islam is not pro LGBTQ.
• 21:56
  But at the same time Islam has its own sexual perversion stuff
• 22:00
  like Islam is not clearly pro abortion but at the same time
• 22:05
  Islam is a death cult. Like the Quran said, kill the
• 22:08
  infidel wherever you found them, Kill the polytheist where you
• 22:11
  found them. That polytheist happened to be
• 22:12
  the Jew. That polytheist happened to be
• 22:14
  the Christian. That polytheist happened to be
• 22:16
  the Zionist. That polytheist happened to be
• 22:17
  the gay. That polytheist happened to be a
• 22:19
  communist. That polytheist happened to be
• 22:21
  every single person that doesn't subscribe to violent Allah and
• 22:26
  his demonic ideology of Islam. So the problem we're facing with
• 22:29
  Islam, they perceive Christians as polytheist.
• 22:32
  And the reason we're polytheist is because we worship.
• 22:36
  We're two things. We are adulterers and they were
• 22:38
  polytheist. The reason we're adulterers is
• 22:40
  because we worship Jesus, who is the God, man and the main God.
• 22:43
  And they claim that Jesus is the prophet.
• 22:45
  Jesus is just a prophet. So for them, we are the epitome
• 22:48
  of being an infidel and we're the epitome of being a
• 22:51
  polytheist and we're the epitome of being an adulterer because we
• 22:55
  worship a man. But as Christians we believe
• 22:58
  Jesus is a God, man, Jesus is a main God.
• 23:00
  Jesus is God becoming flesh and dwelling among Jesus as a
• 23:03
  personification manifestation of God on earth.
• 23:07
  So Islam perceives Christians as polytheist and infidel.
• 23:12
  It gets worse for us because we believe in the Trinity, because
• 23:15
  we believe in the Trinity, we they believe that we're
• 23:17
  polytheist. We worship three different gods,
• 23:21
  the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
• 23:24
  And Islam literally said kill the polytheist wherever you find
• 23:28
  them, kill them, beseech them, chase them and wait and ambush
• 23:31
  for them. It said particularly the people
• 23:34
  of the book, that's Surah 929, the Surah of repentance.
• 23:37
  So it's repentance in Islam doesn't happen by heart
• 23:40
  transformation. It happens by intimidation,
• 23:43
  force, power and war. That's how Islam works.
• 23:47
  It's just it is what it is. Jesus spread the gospel by
• 23:49
  preaching the gospel. The blood of the martyrs is the
• 23:52
  seed of the church. The blood of the infidels is the
• 23:54
  seed of Islam. So Muhammad was not a good
• 23:57
  preacher. After preaching for 12 years, he
• 23:59
  converted like 80 people. After 12 years of Jesus preached
• 24:02
  for three years and he converted like hundreds of thousands of
• 24:05
  people. Just in one incident when the
• 24:07
  boy with the 2 fish and the five lives there was literally 5000
• 24:10
  men and around 15,000 people in. Three years, Jesus.
• 24:13
  Shook the world? Yeah.
• 24:15
  In the 1st 10 years of church history the disciples were able
• 24:19
  to spread the gospel to the end of the earth.
• 24:21
  Asia became Christian. Algeria became Christian.
• 24:24
  Libya became Christian. Turkey ex Constantinople became
• 24:28
  Christian. Jerusalem became Christian.
• 24:30
  Christianity spread so much that all of the ancient world wrong.
• 24:34
  It was Paul and Peter became Christian.
• 24:36
  Not by the sword. Not by the sword, by the
• 24:38
  preaching of the world, by love, by love, literally by the blood,
• 24:42
  because the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the Church.
• 24:44
  So we Jesus died so that you might live.
• 24:46
  Muhammad killed so that he might survive.
• 24:49
  I think about the words of Saint Paul like I will be all things
• 24:53
  to all people. Like he just you can beat me,
• 24:55
  you can you can try to kill me. I'm shipwrecked.
• 24:57
  And like he went through everything to spread the gospel,
• 25:00
  never raising the sword, always out of love and self sacrifice.
• 25:04
  And this is what I think people like forget and this is what
• 25:07
  we're seeing even now in culture.
• 25:08
  I mean, Charlie was an example of some like similar to Paul,
• 25:12
  you know, somebody that says I'm going to use the word as my
• 25:15
  weapon. That's the offensive weapon we
• 25:17
  are given in Scripture and Ephesians, it says, you know,
• 25:19
  you're the weapon is out. War is not against flesh and
• 25:23
  blood. And then it goes on to talk
• 25:24
  about put on the armour and the only offensive weapon is the
• 25:28
  sword of the spirit, which is the word of God.
• 25:30
  So we don't need any other weapon to fight.
• 25:33
  We need the word of God. And obviously there are cases
• 25:35
  politically just war, all that kind of stuff.
• 25:37
  But as a Christian, the Christian lifestyle, the
• 25:40
  Christian ethic is that our weapon is the word of God and we
• 25:43
  don't use that to weaponize. We use that to fight in this
• 25:46
  spiritual back. That's why in Christianity, our
• 25:49
  word is our sword. In Islam, their sword is their
• 25:53
  word. That's why they have apostasy
• 25:56
  laws and blasphemy laws, because they cannot stand the test of
• 25:59
  time, They cannot stand the test of truth.
• 26:02
  They are unable to negotiate, to argue, to present their case
• 26:06
  because they don't make sense. Islam is a conspiracy theory.
• 26:10
  It's a conspiracy theory. It's a historical nightmare and
• 26:13
  it's plagiarism from the biblical text.
• 26:17
  That's actually what Islam is. I think there's also an
• 26:20
  anthropological difference that's very foundational about
• 26:23
  the human person because God, you know, the Christian God
• 26:26
  created us as to be sons and daughters ultimately of him and
• 26:29
  to have the gift of freedom. And so we don't we, you know, we
• 26:33
  are called to put trust and faith in God, but we are called
• 26:35
  to use our reason and to correspond with God's grace.
• 26:38
  And so there's a lot of freedom in Christianity, like Christ
• 26:40
  sets us free. And I think the, you know, and
• 26:43
  again, I, I don't want to speak as, as to say the heart, I know
• 26:47
  the heart of every Muslim because I've met incredible
• 26:49
  Muslims. I would say that maybe they're
• 26:52
  it's a Christianized version of Islam, actually not maybe the
• 26:54
  historical version. Of Islam.
• 26:56
  Or just good, just like people that are trying to love their
• 26:59
  neighbor, like, work hard like. Well, so it's not to say like
• 27:02
  all Muslims are this way. Of course not.
• 27:04
  Yeah. But when you talk about the
• 27:05
  anthropology of Islam, I mean the very fact that they reject
• 27:08
  God becoming man, like this idea to him to them as anathema,
• 27:12
  right? So you need to get killed if you
• 27:14
  believe that, because this has appeared to me.
• 27:16
  That's what the Quran said, kill the infidel and the polytheas
• 27:18
  wherever you find them. It said in the Quran, Surah 929,
• 27:22
  the Surah chapter of repentance, it said particularly those of
• 27:25
  the book. So that is the Christians and
• 27:27
  the Jews. That's why you see all that
• 27:31
  tension between Israel and Palestine or Christian or Jews
• 27:34
  and Muslims. And that's also why you will
• 27:36
  always see that tension between Christians and Muslims.
• 27:40
  The difference between US and Jews is that we're a little bit
• 27:42
  nicer because we have that New Testament.
• 27:44
  But with the Old Testament, the Jews will declare war on the
• 27:48
  enemies of Yahweh, whatever that means.
• 27:50
  But Christians were just a nicer version and that's the reason we
• 27:53
  literally got genocided for sure in the Middle East.
• 27:56
  Yeah, I think it's very like coming kind of full circle to
• 27:58
  what you were saying originally about how in America, Australia,
• 28:02
  Christian countries in the West, you don't really see persecution
• 28:05
  in the same way you see it in places like the Middle East.
• 28:08
  And that just comes back to what you were saying about freedom.
• 28:10
  Like the foundation of Christianity is freedom.
• 28:13
  It's a foundational theme. And if you backtracking history,
• 28:17
  you only really see freedom politically, but also socially.
• 28:20
  You only see it when Christianity becomes the
• 28:23
  religion of the time. You only really see that in the
• 28:26
  context of Christianity. So I do like to your point.
• 28:29
  Feminism is a Christian disease. My body, my choice.
• 28:32
  Free reproductive justice. Yeah, these are all Christian
• 28:35
  extensions. It's a diseased version of
• 28:37
  Christianity because the the kernel of feminism that is true,
• 28:41
  that it started with, that was part of our faith, which is that
• 28:45
  God made them male and female. They're both made in God's
• 28:47
  image. They're equal in dignity.
• 28:49
  And so to create a legal system where you ultimately, you know,
• 28:53
  put down women and elevate men and make them inequal when it
• 28:56
  comes to basic human rights is wrong.
• 28:58
  And so that's, you know, there you go.
• 28:59
  That's good. Which is an.
• 29:00
  Idea that Christianity came up with, not feminism.
• 29:03
  And that's what I try to explain to people, especially people
• 29:05
  that are like, you know, want to justify the roots of feminism
• 29:08
  being as good. I'm like, yeah, but
• 29:09
  ideologically that wasn't feminism that did that.
• 29:12
  It was Christianity that did that.
• 29:13
  So let's go to the root issue. The root issue wasn't feminism
• 29:18
  should be instated in society. It should be Christianity should
• 29:21
  be instated in society. And that even goes to your point
• 29:24
  You were talking about like some Muslims are good people.
• 29:27
  Like I agree, we're all made in the image of gods.
• 29:29
  There is a desire to do good and to be good.
• 29:32
  But we as Christians believe in being transformed into the image
• 29:35
  of Christ. So yes, I made an image of God,
• 29:37
  but I also need to be transformed into the image of
• 29:40
  Christ. So that is reflected very
• 29:42
  differently. They don't have systems of
• 29:44
  morality in Islam the way that we do in the West.
• 29:47
  So you'll have have a Muslim that lives in the West that is
• 29:50
  basically brainwashed in the culture of the West, which is
• 29:53
  foundationally Christian, that looks at things like abortion
• 29:56
  and says, yeah, that's wrong. That looks at someone being
• 29:58
  murdered and says, yeah, that's wrong.
• 29:59
  Of course it's wrong. Well, yeah, you believe it's
• 30:01
  wrong because of Christianity. If you look pragmatically at the
• 30:05
  book in the Quran, if you look at their writings, they don't
• 30:09
  have systems that kind of explains to you the morally, the
• 30:12
  moral issues with murdering someone on the street.
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  In fact, you see kind of the opposite.
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  checkout. Where I grew up in the Middle
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  East, we literally have a three or four class system.
• 31:14
  If you were a Muslim and your ID on your driver license, you had
• 31:17
  number one. That's literal systematic
• 31:19
  oppression. If you're a Christian, you had
• 31:21
  #2 if you were a Jew, you had #3 if you're an atheist, you went
• 31:26
  to jail. So that is what I call by
• 31:29
  systematic oppression because Islam is spiritual narcissism.
• 31:33
  It's literally new spiritual narcissism.
• 31:36
  You're not made in the image of God because you're the in the
• 31:38
  image of God. You are only as valuable and as
• 31:41
  good because you're a Muslim and because you become a Muslim.
• 31:45
  So if you're not a Muslim, guess what?
• 31:47
  In in Egypt, a Christian can become a Muslim, but a Muslim
• 31:51
  cannot become a Christian. So it's what you call spiritual
• 31:54
  narcissism where everything goes one way and one street and
• 31:58
  talking to my all like feminist feministies.
• 32:00
  I'm not. Feminism is a Christian heresy.
• 32:03
  It's a Christian heresy. There is no feminism in the
• 32:06
  Middle East. If you're a woman in the Middle
• 32:08
  East, you can get beaten. Your actual legal and political
• 32:11
  voice is worth half of the men. A man is allowed to have four
• 32:16
  wives. You're only allowed to have one
• 32:18
  husband. In fact, the Quran and Muhammad
• 32:20
  calls women dumb, stupid, and mentally inefficient.
• 32:24
  So if you're a woman who happens to live in the Middle East, you
• 32:28
  will hate life like all the people.
• 32:30
  Free Palestine. Free Palestine.
• 32:31
  Like, dude, as a woman in Palestine, you will never be
• 32:34
  able to leave Gaza without a written permission from your
• 32:37
  husband and your dad. There is no freedom in
• 32:40
  Palestine. Freedom is fundamentally a
• 32:42
  Christian concept. It's a biblical concept.
• 32:44
  The Bible said it this way, and you know the truth, and the
• 32:47
  truth will set you free. Where the Spirit of the Lord is,
• 32:50
  there is freedom. Whoever the sunsets free is free
• 32:54
  indeed. So freedom is not a gay concept.
• 32:57
  It's not a liberal concept, It's not a secular concept.
• 33:00
  It's not even a feminist concept.
• 33:02
  Freedom is fundamentally a Christian concept.
• 33:06
  Mohammed literally had 11 wives. 11 wives.
• 33:09
  Including one very young. Yeah, my child.
• 33:13
  Aisha who was he married her at like 6 and he slept with her at
• 33:17
  9:00. So this is my problem with
• 33:20
  people that call themselves Muslims.
• 33:22
  It's so devastating to consider that because again, back to this
• 33:26
  question of Muslims in the West or good Muslims like of of which
• 33:28
  there are many, that this is the founder, this is the holy
• 33:31
  Prophet that you know, the God spoke.
• 33:34
  Through the Holy Prophet, Muhammad is better than Jesus is
• 33:38
  higher than Jesus. It's more perfect and holy than
• 33:41
  Jesus. In fact, Muhammad is the epitome
• 33:43
  and the ultimate example of what it means to be a good human
• 33:47
  being to the point that Muhammad cannot sin.
• 33:51
  So what the problem with Islam? And that's the problem with
• 33:54
  Muslims and Islam. So is it this?
• 33:56
  Is it the concept of Ishma that got that Muhammad?
• 33:59
  God protected Muhammad from significant, significant moral
• 34:03
  failing, so maybe they did a little something.
• 34:05
  So the problem that's why you're problem facing with with all
• 34:07
  that stuff, Lila, and that's why the left and Muslims collide
• 34:10
  very well because both of them are sex cult, both of them are
• 34:13
  death cult, the LGBTQ abortion kill the envelope whenever you
• 34:17
  find them. Muhammad literally slept with a
• 34:20
  kid. So the problem that you're
• 34:21
  facing is that you cannot address that because if you are,
• 34:27
  if Muhammad slept with a young girl and he's the most perfect
• 34:31
  holy prophet, that means you're not going to change Muhammad to
• 34:35
  meal your morality. You have to change your morality
• 34:37
  to meet Muhammad. So this is a problem, not just
• 34:41
  that Muhammad literally married his son's wife Zainab.
• 34:46
  So one day Muhammad was literally going to his
• 34:48
  son-in-law, I think his name was Ali, his room and the wind was
• 34:52
  blowing. So he kind of saw Zainab a
• 34:54
  little bit naked. So he ended up saying, Oh my
• 34:56
  gosh, she's a bit pretty pretty. So he ended up banning having
• 35:01
  being a foster parent and he ended up saying that God told
• 35:04
  him to marry Zainab. So this guy, and this is funny,
• 35:07
  Islam, in the beginning, Mohammed said you can only have
• 35:09
  one wife. And then he said you can have
• 35:10
  two wives and he said you can have three wives and then he can
• 35:13
  have four wives. So he keeps on contradicting
• 35:14
  himself. And that's a problem if you are
• 35:16
  a Muslim. Mohammed is the epitome of
• 35:18
  morality, is the epitome of excellence.
• 35:20
  It sounds like even at this time that was offensive to Arab
• 35:24
  custom that predated Islam because they thought marrying
• 35:28
  your son's wife, even if it's an adopted son, because they're
• 35:31
  seen as a biological son once adopted, it's incestuous, but
• 35:34
  Muhammad still married. Her So in the Muslim world it's
• 35:37
  illegal to adopt children because Muhammad had a little
• 35:41
  bit of like Filipili for his son's daughter so he ended up
• 35:45
  making his son divorce his daughter and marrying her.
• 35:48
  Dude if you study the life of Muhammad not to mention Mary the
• 35:51
  Coptic Alcuptaya, she was the Egyptian young girl that was
• 35:55
  gifted by Egypt to Muhammad. When he declared war on the
• 35:59
  whole world he went to Egypt and told them Islam to Islam.
• 36:02
  He said to Egypt, if you surrender to Islam you will have
• 36:05
  peace. At the time the church, the
• 36:07
  Coptic church was very weak work, liberal and gay.
• 36:10
  So instead of fighting against Islam they ended up
• 36:14
  surrendering. So they end up gifting Muhammad,
• 36:16
  a young Egyptian Coptic girl called Mary.
• 36:19
  Guess what Muhammad did with her?
• 36:20
  He slept with her. She became literally his
• 36:23
  concubine. When in Islam, in the Quran it
• 36:25
  said that the woman of your right hand are yours, that you
• 36:28
  can sleep with them. So the moment Islam conquers a
• 36:31
  nation, the woman there become their property.
• 36:34
  That is Islamic literature. I'm not making up stuff.
• 36:37
  Is is just what it is. So Mohammed ended up talking
• 36:39
  Mary Akutiya. She became sex slaves.
• 36:41
  And the only way to become to get out of sex slavery in Islam
• 36:45
  is to marry the person to become a Muslim and to marry the person
• 36:49
  that took you as sex slave. So that was your only pathway to
• 36:53
  freedom? And that would elevate your
• 36:54
  status slightly. So now you're just instead of a
• 36:56
  concubine, now you're a wife A. Wife.
• 36:58
  So that's what happened to Mary Akuptaya.
• 37:00
  So you've got Asia, you've got Zainab, you've got Mary
• 37:02
  Akuptaya. You got literally he literally
• 37:05
  killed Christian and Jewish leaders.
• 37:07
  No one. What's wild to me is with all of
• 37:09
  the talk of Islam, with all of the, you know, let's respect
• 37:12
  other faith traditions, which I think we should respect other
• 37:14
  people's ability to question and practice other faiths.
• 37:17
  Ultimately, freedom, religion is essential.
• 37:19
  It's a cornerstone of our country.
• 37:21
  But I think knowledge of other religions is really important.
• 37:24
  And I think most people have no idea about the life of Muhammad
• 37:27
  or the founding of Islam. There's very little just.
• 37:30
  Placing is that he is the perfect prophet of Allah.
• 37:33
  He's more holy and perfect than Jesus.
• 37:36
  Muhammad is the final prophet and all of you to become a
• 37:38
  Muslim you have to say Ashadu and Allah Allah Allah Allah and
• 37:41
  Ashadu and Muhammad Rasulullah. You have to say that I believe
• 37:43
  in one God, Allah and he's one and only true Prophet Muhammad.
• 37:47
  So you have to understand this is the epitome of Islam and I
• 37:52
  will get potentially at some point attacked from what I'm
• 37:56
  saying. Yeah, you think you'll be
• 37:58
  physically attacked for what? You're or shot and this was you
• 38:01
  have to understand. In the name of Jesus, I pray
• 38:03
  protection for. Me to say that this is in the
• 38:08
  Islamic world is punishable by death on the street by a random
• 38:12
  person, a random Muslim, they're allowed under a fatwa from an
• 38:16
  imam to kill me. Yeah, cold blooded and they will
• 38:19
  not go to jail. Yeah, and this is something
• 38:21
  Andrew spoke to Charlie Kirk about a lot.
• 38:23
  Like, they had had multiple podcasts on this, too, even like
• 38:27
  up to three years ago, talking about the dangers of Islam, not
• 38:30
  just culturally but also politically.
• 38:32
  Like, yes, there's the danger of if you culturally get enough
• 38:36
  influence from Muslims in a Christian society, they cannot
• 38:39
  outnumber you just by their passion and by their aggression
• 38:41
  and determination. But also politically in
• 38:44
  Australia, we're seeing our government is trying to get
• 38:46
  together it. It really is blasphemy laws, but
• 38:49
  they call it Islam. You're not.
• 38:50
  Allowed to say what? What?
• 38:52
  Andrew, your point, you should be able to have the freedom of
• 38:55
  religion, but you should should also be free to criticize other
• 38:58
  religions that you don't agree with well.
• 38:59
  It's very free to criticize Christianity.
• 39:01
  Oh, example, do that all day long here.
• 39:03
  And I think you should have the freedom to do that.
• 39:05
  These the toughest questions of God voice your toughest concerns
• 39:08
  and and frustrations. Yeah, that should be a
• 39:11
  cornerstone about Christianity or about Islam or about
• 39:13
  anything. There's the problem.
• 39:14
  Islam does not believe in that freedom is fun, fundamentally a
• 39:18
  Christian concept. Because we have the truth,
• 39:21
  because we got the truth, we don't mind you attacking us.
• 39:24
  I do not get offended. I'm being honest with you.
• 39:26
  When people mock Christianity, I'm like, the more you mock us,
• 39:29
  the more you prove that we have the one true God.
• 39:32
  I'm like, whether it's the Paris Olympics, whether it's all the
• 39:36
  sexual perversion, Hollywood stuff, I'm like, dude, I dare
• 39:39
  you to make fun of Islam. Well, I remember Charlie Hebdo.
• 39:42
  Charlie Hebdo in France, January 7th, 2015, satirical newspaper.
• 39:47
  And they made a joke about Muhammad.
• 39:49
  Yeah. And South Park makes jokes about
• 39:51
  faith all day long, you know, Christianity.
• 39:54
  And they jihadists went and stormed their offices and
• 39:59
  murdered 12 people. Yeah, because over over a joke
• 40:02
  about Muhammad. And what you're dealing with
• 40:04
  there is the Islamization of France.
• 40:06
  France is at least 8% Muslim. Yeah, America at the moment is
• 40:09
  1% Muslim or one point. America is 1% of.
• 40:12
  America Australia is 3.5 that's why the death rates of our lives
• 40:16
  is increasingly we literally now have the anti terrorism police
• 40:19
  come to our church to investigate me for me saying
• 40:22
  this so next year I might be in jail from what I'm saying.
• 40:26
  Now, is that because of an Islamic lobby in the Australian
• 40:31
  government? Islamic lobby, they want to pass
• 40:34
  Islamophobia laws and they want to pass hate speech laws.
• 40:36
  So what? People don't understand we
• 40:38
  already have Sharia law in the West.
• 40:40
  Right now in London, 30 people are getting arrested if they
• 40:43
  dare to criticize immigrants, which most of them tend to be
• 40:46
  Muslim and I'm an immigrant myself and most of them tend to
• 40:50
  speak about Islam. So we already have across
• 40:53
  Europe, across London, across the West and in the making in
• 40:56
  Australia I literally have the anti terrorism police that is
• 40:59
  supposed to protect people from terrorists and I escape
• 41:02
  terrorism and I'm the one getting investigated.
• 41:05
  Do you feel like you are trying to warn the West before this
• 41:10
  gets worse? I should be there a long time
• 41:13
  ago. I don't know.
• 41:14
  Martin shared my story. I can share it today at the end.
• 41:16
  I shouldn't be here. I couldn't be here.
• 41:18
  I wouldn't be here if it wasn't forgotten.
• 41:20
  Tell me. Tell us.
• 41:22
  A few years before we immigrated to Australia in 2007, my dad
• 41:25
  converted a particular Muslim woman to Christianity.
• 41:29
  We literally showed her the love of God.
• 41:30
  Her husband was a Muslim. He was very very abusive.
• 41:33
  We used to literally provide food, shelter and love on her
• 41:36
  and preach a gospel to her. So as a direct consequence,
• 41:39
  because of us showing the love of Christ to her and preaching
• 41:41
  the gospel, she ended up repenting of the sin, becoming a
• 41:44
  Christian, getting baptized. What we didn't know at the time
• 41:48
  is that her husband was part of Muslim Brotherhood.
• 41:51
  Muslim Brotherhood like that the Hamas of Egypt, they're
• 41:53
  literally the founder of Haman. They're like the Taliban that
• 41:55
  Qatar. They're very sophisticated,
• 41:57
  wealthy, smart and violent. Kind of like the mafia.
• 42:00
  The mafia of the Islamic world, but they can run government.
• 42:03
  They're already in America. Actually, they're, they're in
• 42:06
  Florida, then California. They have a lot of nonprofits
• 42:08
  here. They, they have a plan to take
• 42:10
  over America. What we didn't know is that her
• 42:12
  brother was part of Muslim Brotherhood.
• 42:15
  So because he was very, very angry at my dad for taking what
• 42:18
  is most precious, what is most important to him, which is his
• 42:21
  beautiful wife, he decided that he was going to take what is
• 42:24
  most precious to him, which wasn't me and my younger brother
• 42:26
  John. He decided that he was going to
• 42:28
  get two of his Muslim Brotherhood friends.
• 42:30
  He's going to kidnap us, kill us, behead us, send our bodies
• 42:34
  and heads back in a bag to my bag that he was going to send
• 42:39
  our bodies and heads back in a bag as a as a revenge to my dad
• 42:44
  for taking what's most precious team.
• 42:46
  What? She's his wife.
• 42:47
  He orchestrated the plan, he made the plan.
• 42:49
  He waited for us as we used to go to school every single day in
• 42:52
  the morning, 7:00 AM as we used to go to school.
• 42:54
  So him and his two other modern brotherhood men came in the
• 42:57
  morning at 7:00 AM, orchestrated the plan, planned the plan to
• 43:00
  execute the plan of taking me and my younger brother,
• 43:03
  kidnapping guns, beheading us, sending our bodies and heads
• 43:06
  back in the back just like what it's on October 7th.
• 43:09
  He made the plan. He came 7:00 AM in the morning
• 43:11
  as me and my younger brother were going to school.
• 43:14
  We're about to go from our apartment, from our apartment to
• 43:17
  the yellow bus. That Muslim Brotherhood men and
• 43:19
  the two other Muslim Brotherhood men, all of them, they felt a
• 43:22
  power and a force and they froze and they could not move at all.
• 43:27
  They froze and they could not move at all until me and my
• 43:30
  younger brother, we went to the yellow school bus.
• 43:32
  A yellow school bus drove to the end of the street and the moment
• 43:35
  the bus disappeared, they started to move again.
• 43:38
  The guy was very angry and furious.
• 43:39
  Like how dare you, you Muslim Brotherhood cowards, you don't
• 43:42
  know how to kill a bunch of little kids who have killed a
• 43:44
  little person and Christians. So he was very angry and
• 43:46
  furious. He decided to do the exact same
• 43:48
  plan the week after he got two different Muslim Brotherhood men
• 43:52
  to execute the exact same plan. 7:00 AM in the morning, he comes
• 43:54
  to our house, he comes to our apartment.
• 43:56
  He waits as me and my younger brother are about to go to
• 43:58
  school at 7:00 AM. And the moment me and my younger
• 44:01
  brother start to walk to the yellow bus, him and the two
• 44:04
  other Muslim Brotherhood men, they felt a power and a force
• 44:06
  take their hand and put it behind their head and they froze
• 44:10
  and they could not move at all. They froze in time, space and
• 44:13
  they could not move at all until me and my younger brother, we
• 44:16
  went to the yellow school bus. The door shut, the bus drove to
• 44:19
  the end of the street, the bus disappeared.
• 44:20
  And the moment the bus disappeared, they started to
• 44:22
  move again. The guy was very angry, confused
• 44:26
  and mesmerized by what was happening.
• 44:28
  See, we did not know that. If I knew that I wouldn't be
• 44:31
  going to school that day, I would have said, hey mum, can I
• 44:33
  please not go to school that day?
• 44:34
  If someone once behead me, I think she would have said yes,
• 44:36
  right? But the only reason we know that
• 44:39
  is because that evil, wicked and Muslim Brotherhood man came to
• 44:43
  my house, to my dad's house. So a few weeks later and told my
• 44:46
  dad, you're God saved you, your family and your children from my
• 44:51
  evil and wicked hand. He became a Christian.
• 44:53
  He got baptized and now him and his all entire family are
• 44:57
  Christian. Are they still in Egypt?
• 44:59
  Would they be willing to come on the show?
• 45:00
  Do. You think we can't?
• 45:02
  You're not, you're not in touch with them.
• 45:03
  Oh, they would get killed. Them and their own well they're
• 45:05
  part of Muslim Brotherhood, The Muslim Brotherhood part of the
• 45:08
  well they were they were so for you to reveal very.
• 45:11
  Look about their faith. They.
• 45:12
  Would be inviting you, you, you cannot.
• 45:14
  So they literally escaped to the bottom of Egypt.
• 45:17
  Like I know the name, but my dad said to me, you can't say it
• 45:19
  simply because Muslim Brotherhood.
• 45:22
  It's it's like a mafia. You will have to be killed.
• 45:24
  You, your family. And they're still there.
• 45:25
  And I think so. You're not sure?
• 45:27
  Yeah, I'm not sure. It's wild.
• 45:29
  It's so. So did you.
• 45:31
  Ever meet the sky or no it just. No, it was my dad, your dad.
• 45:34
  So my dad converted him, prayed the sinners, prayed with him and
• 45:38
  and he got baptized you. Were like 7 at the.
• 45:39
  Time I was 7 or 12, I can ask John was 7 or 8, my brother, I
• 45:43
  think I was 12. So the reality is I shouldn't be
• 45:48
  here. I couldn't be here if it wasn't
• 45:50
  for God. I believe God saved me to give a
• 45:53
  warning to America that God protected me so I can preach
• 45:56
  America. And I'm putting my life in
• 45:58
  danger by you, me telling you what Islam is and where Islam is
• 46:04
  taking the West. While the Christians are killing
• 46:06
  the babies, butchering the babies, cutting and butchering
• 46:08
  the next generation body parts. Islam is spreading like a virus.
• 46:12
  The replacement of the. Christians are killing our
• 46:14
  babies via abortion. It is the Christians this is
• 46:17
  Abortion is a Christian disease. That is a very important
• 46:22
  observation that you just made because.
• 46:23
  We can. We can.
• 46:24
  We can point at the disease is in Islam and activities and I
• 46:29
  think your difference would be true.
• 46:30
  Christianity rejects abortion, and I think what you're saying
• 46:33
  is true. Islam is Mohammed and his
• 46:36
  practices, which are which are bad.
• 46:38
  So that's an important distinction.
• 46:40
  Someone will say, well, you're talking about some bad Muslims.
• 46:42
  Actually, Islam is really good, just like, yeah, but you're
• 46:44
  about the ideology. But Christian ideology, abortion
• 46:47
  is a mortal sin. It's evil, it's wrong.
• 46:49
  It's the killing of God's child. It's the killing of God's image,
• 46:52
  black and white. But we have we have abortion in
• 46:54
  the Christian Church. Yes, we do.
• 46:56
  People who identify. As Christian who say they're
• 46:58
  Christian, Catholic, yeah, Protestant mainline whatever are
• 47:02
  getting abortions so. Liberalism and sexual perversion
• 47:05
  and gayness is a Christian disease.
• 47:07
  Yes. This is very controversial to
• 47:09
  say. It's not coming from the Middle
• 47:11
  East. It's coming from the West, Yeah.
• 47:13
  And like Christian disease, what you're saying is these are
• 47:16
  special sins, or not special sins, I should say, but these
• 47:19
  are evils that have been growing out of what was once a Christian
• 47:24
  country or should be a Christian country.
• 47:25
  Christian majority country. Excuse me?
• 47:28
  Well, it's freedom with that truth and liberty with that
• 47:30
  virtue. So it becomes unhinged and
• 47:33
  before you know it now we have taken the grace of God and
• 47:36
  manipulated it to mean something it wasn't supposed to mean.
• 47:39
  Yeah. So even going to your point
• 47:41
  about you were saying if it becomes a majority Muslim, I
• 47:44
  would even say you don't even need a majority Muslim country
• 47:47
  for it to turn. Like if you look at what's
• 47:48
  happening in the UK, it's not majority Muslim country.
• 47:51
  I mean, New York, yes, you just need 3%.
• 47:53
  You don't need very much of them because I think there are a lot
• 47:56
  more determined and they're a lot more aggressive and united
• 47:59
  in their ideology to bring about the Uma, this global Islamic.
• 48:03
  What do you think is going to happen in New York City now
• 48:06
  that? New York is gonna become London.
• 48:08
  He's gonna implement pseudo Sharia law.
• 48:11
  Yeah, indirectly. He will Islamize every single
• 48:15
  institution and give the feminists and the gay what they
• 48:18
  want and at the same time. Because those are basically
• 48:21
  heresies of Christianity and your view.
• 48:23
  Where the feminist and the gays they're.
• 48:24
  Dying. They're weakening the Christians
• 48:27
  anyway, so they're kind of like the enemy of my friend is my
• 48:29
  enemy, or the friend of my the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
• 48:33
  Well, the beauty of feminism, gayness, LGBQ, ABC, all this
• 48:36
  wheat stuff, it's self killing. Yeah.
• 48:38
  You can't have babies. Yeah.
• 48:40
  So the beauty if if I want to conquer your country, of course
• 48:43
  I'm gonna let you practice sexual perversion.
• 48:46
  You can't have kids anyway. You're gonna die.
• 48:48
  Of course I'm gonna you abort your babies.
• 48:50
  You're killing the people, I'm supposed.
• 48:52
  To think though, I mean, I wonder if someone that goes on
• 48:54
  mom Dommy, right? I think he was educated in the
• 48:57
  US. He, you know, Western, he's a
• 48:58
  product of the Western education system as my understanding.
• 49:01
  And but then he's culturally Muslim.
• 49:03
  I don't know how much of A practicing Muslim he is, right.
• 49:05
  And I wonder with someone like him, like Islam is sort of a
• 49:08
  flavor to him. It's sort of like, you know,
• 49:10
  like kind of like some cultural Catholics.
• 49:11
  They were. Raised.
• 49:12
  They were raised. In Catholicism.
• 49:13
  But they don't actually understand the gospel of the
• 49:15
  teachings of the Church. And so they're lukewarm.
• 49:17
  They're not. And then they go off and they
• 49:18
  become part of these other, as you call them, Christian
• 49:21
  diseases or extremist, you know? Again, lukewarmness ideology.
• 49:25
  Lukewarmness is a Christian disease, Islamic disease.
• 49:29
  You think so? Islam is a very religious
• 49:31
  ideology. In order for you to go to
• 49:33
  heaven, you have to pray five times a day, but you have to
• 49:36
  fast. But you would say your argument
• 49:38
  would be. And again, we don't know
• 49:38
  Momdami's heart, of course. And let's pray for Momdami,
• 49:41
  right? Especially he's an elected
• 49:42
  leader now. Yeah.
• 49:43
  He's a he's a child of God. Like, you know, he God wants him
• 49:46
  to be a child of God. He wants to adopt all of us into
• 49:48
  his family. Yeah.
• 49:49
  But so you think that with Momdami it's not just cultural
• 49:53
  Islam? Or it's not what I think, it's
• 49:55
  what he said. You need to the first thing he
• 49:58
  said yesterday. I'm a Muslim.
• 50:00
  I'm a socialist Democrat, and I'm proud of it.
• 50:03
  And I'm not ashamed. This is very, very important.
• 50:06
  The first thing he said. I'm a Muslim.
• 50:08
  Yeah. How many Republicans?
• 50:10
  Before I'm a, I'm a. Socialist Democrat.
• 50:12
  So Muslim is a culture, the religion.
• 50:15
  Socialist Democrat is just a political system.
• 50:18
  Yeah, this is very important. You have to notice when they
• 50:21
  speak. When he got asked a few weeks
• 50:23
  ago, do you believe in Sharia law, He was like, what is Sharia
• 50:27
  law? I'm not really.
• 50:28
  You don't know Sharia law. So he didn't answer the
• 50:30
  question. He literally said during the
• 50:32
  debate to Andrew Kuhmer, how do you not go to a mosque?
• 50:36
  The Islamization of New York is already there.
• 50:39
  It's not yet to happen. It is already there and it is a
• 50:43
  blueprint for every single Christian to understand what
• 50:46
  will happen when you ever elect a Muslim leader.
• 50:50
  No matter how gay they are, they're still Muslim, no matter
• 50:53
  how gay supporting they are. And at the same time, you have
• 50:57
  thought that Islam is a violent and tyrannical political
• 51:00
  ideology that pretends to be a religion.
• 51:03
  So what do you think's going to happen in New York?
• 51:04
  Because there's still the US Constitution governing all of
• 51:06
  us, right? Thank the Lord.
• 51:07
  And governing even the cities and yes, like even Gavin Newsom,
• 51:11
  who, by the way, was raised Catholic.
• 51:13
  So, you know, we have, I don't want people to think like, oh,
• 51:15
  you have special a hatred in your heart for this religion or
• 51:18
  this other religion, because it's not about a hatred for any
• 51:21
  human being. It's about calling out wrong
• 51:23
  ideology. That's what this is about.
• 51:25
  We love all human beings and we want peace with all men and all
• 51:28
  people, right. But it's war with the ideology
• 51:30
  and war with the spiritual in the spiritual realm.
• 51:32
  But I think about Gavin Newsom. He was this supposedly Catholic
• 51:35
  governor or excuse me, mayor now governor.
• 51:37
  And you know, I don't know that he would ever say he was
• 51:39
  practicing his faith. I think sometimes he'd say he
• 51:41
  would go to Mass. But all that to say, he was the
• 51:43
  the mayor in San Francisco who ushered in same sex marriage the
• 51:47
  church. And.
• 51:49
  Christian teaching, Yeah. Yeah, well, well, you can
• 51:53
  literally see what's happening in London at the moment.
• 51:55
  Sadiq Khan is arresting people who dare to criticize Islam.
• 51:59
  Sadiq Khan is the Mayor of London.
• 52:00
  He has been. He's a Muslim.
• 52:01
  He's an Afghani Muslim. Sadiq Khan has been in control
• 52:04
  of London for the last 12 years. In the last 20 years, 100,000
• 52:09
  white girls were raped and 80% of the rapes were by Muslim
• 52:13
  Afghani men. And the police didn't do
• 52:15
  anything about it. Yeah.
• 52:18
  You just hit. It 30% of those rapes happened
• 52:21
  by people called Mohammed. So 8070 to 80% of the rapes
• 52:26
  happened by Muslims. 30% of those people that performed the
• 52:28
  rape were called Mohammed. And right now these girls, they
• 52:32
  never got their day into court. The people never got to jail.
• 52:36
  In fact, the people that could start in Islam go to two to four
• 52:39
  years in jail. The people that do the raping
• 52:42
  will get one to two years in. Jail.
• 52:43
  I did see some reports. The father, I think of one of
• 52:46
  these girls was so distraught at the lack of justice for his
• 52:49
  daughter. And it was it was a it was, I
• 52:51
  think they call it a Pakistani rape gang.
• 52:53
  I think it's. A Pakistani.
• 52:54
  So what's happening at the moment?
• 52:55
  He ended up going to prison. Because.
• 52:57
  Because. His Islamophobia.
• 52:59
  Islamophobia, I think, or his, they called it racism because he
• 53:02
  was speaking out against the fact that his daughter had been
• 53:05
  brutally abused. So that's.
• 53:07
  Exactly what happened in Egypt, that's Sharia law.
• 53:10
  So if my daughter got raped, I will have to not go to the
• 53:13
  police or they're going to put me in jail in Egypt.
• 53:17
  I'm trying to download to you as an American because I think
• 53:20
  America has a problem of American narcissism.
• 53:22
  You see now with the woke right with the anti Israel crew, they
• 53:27
  don't see Islam as it is. They see Islam as what they want
• 53:30
  it to be. So I mean, I think it's like
• 53:33
  human tendency. We want to live in harmony with
• 53:35
  each other. We want.
• 53:36
  Peace. And we should pursue peace.
• 53:38
  I mean, at the end of the the game, at the end of the day, you
• 53:42
  speak truth to pursue peace, not with a lie, but to like big
• 53:46
  peace under God. Like this is God's end game, is
• 53:49
  peace on earth, right? Yeah, through his Kingdom being
• 53:51
  established. So so the interesting so Islam,
• 53:54
  but. It has to be the ordered the the
• 53:55
  the right order. If you can't have peace in the
• 53:57
  chaos or the disorder, that's the reality.
• 53:59
  So I want you to give you a perception and perspective of
• 54:02
  run of Mandani. Mandani, Donald Trump just makes
• 54:06
  fun of them and Mamani worldview.
• 54:09
  So Islam and Muslims perceive the world.
• 54:11
  It's either every single land, every single nation, every
• 54:14
  single civilization, every single group of you.
• 54:16
  It's either Dar El Harb, which means the House of war, or Dar
• 54:19
  es Salaam, which is House of peace.
• 54:21
  Right now, Egypt is Dar El Salaam.
• 54:23
  It's the House of peace. And the way a nation, a country,
• 54:26
  a people become a House of peace.
• 54:29
  It's when the majority of the country is Muslim.
• 54:31
  Yeah, it's when every single institution and cultural power
• 54:36
  is infiltrated and conquered and controlled by Islam.
• 54:40
  It's also the third thing. It's when Sharia law is
• 54:43
  implemented one way or another. So that is that, that when the
• 54:48
  three things happen #1A country becomes majority Muslim #2A
• 54:53
  country, the country's institutions are conquered and
• 54:56
  infiltrated by Islam #3 Sharia law is implemented one way or
• 55:01
  another. Until those three things happen.
• 55:04
  That space is a House of war. So at the moment, America and
• 55:08
  New York, our House of war. In fact, now New York is
• 55:11
  conquered. It's conquered.
• 55:13
  And here we use it because they have.
• 55:14
  An Islamic mayor now, in their view, yeah.
• 55:17
  This is your argument, Yeah. Where it's what the proof is in
• 55:21
  the pudding. Like there is no like you've got
• 55:24
  Sadiq Khan, you need to get friends.
• 55:26
  So guess, guess what is the most common baby name right now in
• 55:28
  London? It's not Jacob Cheston.
• 55:31
  It's not it's not Peter Pan, it's not Searus Lewis, it's not
• 55:35
  Winston Churchill. The most common baby name in
• 55:37
  London is Muhammad. Well, there, that's the back to
• 55:40
  the Christian disease of abortion.
• 55:43
  We are killing our babies. Islam is growing, yes, by the
• 55:46
  sword historically, but also by by population.
• 55:49
  They're having more children now, I think in our faith.
• 55:53
  And one of the reasons I became Catholic was learning more about
• 55:56
  the history of the Church and everything else and
• 55:59
  understanding, you know what, the Apostolic succession with
• 56:01
  Jesus and also the teachings on this, on marriage, on sexuality.
• 56:06
  And it's also good and true and beautiful and free.
• 56:09
  It goes back 2000 years. And part of it is openness to
• 56:13
  life and it being open to God's children.
• 56:15
  I mean, it's the command in Genesis, you know, be fruitful
• 56:17
  and multiply. But somehow along the way in the
• 56:19
  West, we got so lost in that because of the sexual revolution
• 56:23
  and contraception. And now we see the child as a
• 56:25
  burden, as a threat, as inconvenient.
• 56:27
  Reject the child, which is antithetical to the teachings of
• 56:31
  our faith. Yeah, which is very demonic, by
• 56:33
  the way. Like you're saying, you're
• 56:34
  talking a lot about life. And I'm like, yeah, you can see
• 56:36
  in Scripture. So clearly Jesus came for you to
• 56:38
  have life and life to the full. The enemy came to steal, kill
• 56:41
  and destroy. So if you look at the fruit of
• 56:43
  Islam, like the fruit is stealing, killing, destroying.
• 56:47
  The fruit of Christianity should be ideologically at the heart.
• 56:51
  It's life pro-life is a fundamental core theme in
• 56:55
  Christianity because we believe in life, because our book
• 56:57
  teaches it, because Jesus lived it.
• 56:59
  There are so many examples of that.
• 57:01
  And so I think it's very interesting politically that
• 57:04
  you'd have to suppress the truth that comes from Christianity.
• 57:07
  You'd have to suppress what? Christian say because when you
• 57:10
  let the truth out, the truth speaks for itself.
• 57:13
  You don't have to put it on a pedestal.
• 57:14
  You don't have to do much to fluff it up.
• 57:16
  The truth is the truth and. Don't need to censor it,
• 57:18
  suppress it. Which?
• 57:19
  Is why the Muslims and governmentally they're going to
• 57:22
  try to censor what Christians say, which is through things
• 57:25
  like Islamophobia laws or just blasphemy laws or whatever it
• 57:28
  looks like you have to censor the truth because the truth sets
• 57:32
  you free and they don't believe in freedom.
• 57:34
  I don't know if I've said this on the show before.
• 57:36
  We've talked about Christian unity on the show before, and I
• 57:38
  think we were discussing it actually too, with with
• 57:40
  Millicent and Martin. But the, you know, when the
• 57:43
  Reformation happened, right, when Martin Luther and you know,
• 57:48
  John Calvin, ultimately they wanted reform in the Catholic
• 57:51
  Church, which by the way, we should always be reforming.
• 57:53
  Yeah, we should. We're sinners, right?
• 57:55
  The Pope is a Sinner and he would be the first to say, he
• 57:57
  says, pray for me, right, Pray for me.
• 57:59
  So we're all sinners. We're all falling short of the,
• 58:01
  the grace of God. We all need, you know, grace.
• 58:04
  But the, the, the promise of the Lord is the gates of hell will
• 58:07
  not prevail. And that is a promise given to
• 58:09
  the church. And so when the church
• 58:11
  splintered, this is my view anyways, when the church
• 58:13
  splintered and it's other people's views, not just mine,
• 58:14
  but when the church splintered in the Reformation instead,
• 58:17
  instead of Martin Luther staying within the church and making it
• 58:19
  better, instead of John Calvin staying within the Church of
• 58:21
  mating bed. They're like split off and
• 58:23
  reject the authority that that Christ had established over 1500
• 58:26
  years. I do think that postmodern
• 58:29
  thought that entered in and good Christians believing the lies
• 58:31
  you talked about some of the lies earlier contraception
• 58:34
  entering in like the Anglican bishops fell to the lies of
• 58:36
  contraception in 19/20/1919. I believe in the Lambeth
• 58:41
  Convention, when the left and right, there was no more top
• 58:44
  authority for the church. We wouldn't have a central
• 58:47
  location of some authority. It's like everybody on the
• 58:49
  Bible, you decide, you decide, you decide.
• 58:50
  And then people started teaching heresy, heresy, heresy, heresy,
• 58:52
  heresy, and now Christianity can't hold it down.
• 58:56
  And so my prayers, we all become one again.
• 58:58
  Because if we want to combat evil ideologies and build a
• 59:00
  civilization of love, we can't be splintered into 50 different
• 59:03
  denominations. We we definitely need a sense of
• 59:06
  unity because whereas unity, God commands a blessing.
• 59:10
  And the reality is like as a Protestant and my perception of
• 59:13
  the war, it's not Catholic versus Protestant.
• 59:17
  It's not charismatic versus Calvinist.
• 59:19
  Yeah, it's not, it's not Baptist versus versus Pentecostal.
• 59:24
  And it's not the, you know, the it's not evangelical versus
• 59:29
  Catholic. The war at the moment is between
• 59:31
  liberal and Christian. We need to reject and remove
• 59:35
  liberalism out of the Christian Church.
• 59:37
  Yeah. The question is, are you liberal
• 59:39
  or are you a Christian? Are you biblical or are you
• 59:43
  cultural? And by liberal I would say do
• 59:45
  you even mean leftist? Because I think even like a
• 59:47
  liberal of 30 years ago has so much more in common and would
• 59:50
  you could be a Christian liberal in terms of certain foundational
• 59:54
  precepts, but today's leftism I think has become even more
• 59:58
  devolved from. From liberal we have two enemies
• 1:00:00
  within Christendom. Within the church we have
• 1:00:02
  theological liberalism. But how can we fight effectively
• 1:00:06
  if we're so disunified? I think that's my fear.
• 1:00:08
  It's like we, we have these, these global fights, right?
• 1:00:11
  And, and spiritual fights, I'm calling them spiritual fights.
• 1:00:14
  And again, we are true. We are united in baptism.
• 1:00:16
  You, us together as Christians, you are Christians.
• 1:00:18
  I'm a Christian. We're united in baptism.
• 1:00:20
  I believe we're united in the creed.
• 1:00:22
  So there are Christian denominations that I think are
• 1:00:25
  united under God's true church and we're in baptism that does
• 1:00:29
  unite us. But I think more unity on these
• 1:00:31
  moral teachings would provide illumination that would help
• 1:00:34
  with evangelism. And that's why I do really
• 1:00:37
  believe, whether you're a Catholic or a Protestant,
• 1:00:39
  whatever you are, the war at the moment is versus liberal.
• 1:00:43
  The most important thing for all of us to say, hey, the Bible is
• 1:00:46
  true. The word of God is real.
• 1:00:48
  We do believe in marriage. We do believe that life is
• 1:00:51
  sacred. We do believe in Adam and Eve,
• 1:00:53
  not Adam and Steve. We do believe in male and
• 1:00:54
  female, not the older they them or the 52 genders.
• 1:00:57
  We do believe that babies are sacred.
• 1:00:59
  We do believe that life is sacred because going back to the
• 1:01:03
  beginning of your podcast, the unity between Islam and leftism
• 1:01:07
  is that they're both death cult. Yeah, one of them killed the
• 1:01:11
  infidel, the other one killed the babies and children.
• 1:01:14
  And that's why they are a perfect worldview.
• 1:01:17
  It's the same spirit of the age. And that's why you have the gay
• 1:01:21
  jihadist who killed Charlie, and you have the gay.
• 1:01:24
  Children and Annunciation. And then you have the Muslim
• 1:01:28
  jihadist who killed Christian and I really think the church
• 1:01:32
  needs we need to unite on primary doctrine and make sure
• 1:01:36
  we can have the fight within the house.
• 1:01:38
  There's no problem I. Just want us to figure it out
• 1:01:39
  out and get together more, you know?
• 1:01:41
  Which? I think is happening, by the
• 1:01:43
  way. Yeah, it is happening,
• 1:01:44
  definitely. But I agree, we're doing this
• 1:01:46
  too. Like, I mean, there's probably a
• 1:01:48
  time where Catholics and Protestants just didn't want to
• 1:01:50
  have conversations together, like God forbid.
• 1:01:52
  But we're at a point now where like Andrew's saying is like, we
• 1:01:55
  have to unite on primary issues. We have to unite on orthodoxy.
• 1:01:59
  Let's actually start having these conversations again and
• 1:02:01
  doing it in good spirit. I don't see you as my enemy.
• 1:02:03
  I see you as my sister. And my sister.
• 1:02:05
  Exactly. And so the more that you try to
• 1:02:07
  demonize people that have different beliefs about
• 1:02:10
  secondary issues, you're not going to tell me I'm not going
• 1:02:13
  to heaven because I believe that I can lift my hands and worship
• 1:02:16
  as one example like. But The thing is, the Catholic
• 1:02:18
  faith doesn't teach that. Yeah.
• 1:02:20
  So that's the beauty of it. Like, because a Catholic, it's
• 1:02:22
  not like, well, we have to put the secondary.
• 1:02:23
  This is a secondary issue. As a Catholic, I'm going to put
• 1:02:25
  it aside so I can work with you. No, I mean on primary issues,
• 1:02:28
  because I understand you're one in baptism, one in foundational
• 1:02:31
  truths. I know that you're, you're,
• 1:02:33
  you're, you know, when I was an evangelical, I, I considered
• 1:02:36
  myself on the front door or I was even in the living.
• 1:02:39
  I was in the living room, right? As a Catholic, I feel like I'm
• 1:02:41
  all the way into the hearth, right?
• 1:02:43
  So it's, it's a matter of we're in the same, I believe house,
• 1:02:45
  but it's a matter of getting closer and closer to, to the
• 1:02:48
  fire of, of our, of the love of our Lord, the Sacred Heart and
• 1:02:51
  the Eucharist. So I mean, I know you guys have,
• 1:02:54
  we have to, we only have like 15 more minutes.
• 1:02:56
  I'm like, this conversation should be like 3 hours.
• 1:02:58
  I know, I know we've got it. We've got to lose the passport
• 1:03:02
  again and save her for a long time.
• 1:03:04
  Because even just to sit and talk about the faith, right?
• 1:03:07
  I think would be so because I would love to hear your your
• 1:03:09
  thoughts on it and just go back. And forth, as a Middle Eastern
• 1:03:12
  Christian, as we were genocided by Islam, there's no difference
• 1:03:15
  between evangelical, Orthodox and Catholic.
• 1:03:17
  It's very, very important. That's a great point.
• 1:03:20
  When you are being. They're bigger battles.
• 1:03:23
  Wow, you need. To understand Islam has
• 1:03:25
  destroyed the Church of Jerusalem.
• 1:03:27
  One of the biggest ancient Orthodox Church of Islam has
• 1:03:29
  destroyed the Church of Antioch. Islam has destroyed the Church
• 1:03:32
  of Consternable. Constantable, the biggest
• 1:03:35
  ancient church in the history of the church was destroyed by
• 1:03:39
  Islam. Christians were genocided.
• 1:03:41
  Right now Turkey went from 90% Christian to 0.1% Christian.
• 1:03:46
  Muslims do not see Catholic and Protestant.
• 1:03:49
  Sometimes you have to see yourself through the lens of the
• 1:03:51
  enemy. Yeah, some.
• 1:03:53
  Well, if. You're a Nigerian.
• 1:03:54
  I mean, they're killing like I think it's both Catholics and
• 1:03:58
  and evangelicals. They're all being killed by the
• 1:04:01
  same similar militants. For their for their.
• 1:04:03
  Faith because their problem with us is our primary doctrine.
• 1:04:06
  The fact that. We.
• 1:04:07
  Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the problem.
• 1:04:09
  Exactly. Yeah.
• 1:04:11
  Light from light. Yeah, thank God.
• 1:04:12
  Very God like the whole. I want to ask you about Jews,
• 1:04:16
  though, because you've said something.
• 1:04:18
  Yeah, the. Because I, I think this is
• 1:04:20
  something I know really, and we need to do more podcasting on
• 1:04:23
  this. So actually I've been trying to
• 1:04:24
  source more guests to have more like very in depth conversation
• 1:04:27
  because there is, I think a lot of misunderstandings with
• 1:04:30
  dispensationalism and what is Zionism and what is it?
• 1:04:33
  What is the correct Christian posture towards Jewish people?
• 1:04:37
  Obviously it's one of respect and love and, and, and deep
• 1:04:40
  charity. And even if you know, affection,
• 1:04:42
  Jesus was a Jew, Mother Mary was a Jew.
• 1:04:44
  Like this is the root of our faith, right?
• 1:04:48
  But I want to ask you about Israel because I know you have
• 1:04:50
  thoughts on this. And you know, the reality is,
• 1:04:52
  and I, I said this on acts a couple times actually, that
• 1:04:56
  Israel is a Jewish majority country, the only one in the
• 1:05:00
  world. It was created basically because
• 1:05:03
  Europe said there's no place for to put these Jews and they're
• 1:05:06
  being massacred left and right by the millions.
• 1:05:08
  So let's put them back in their ancestral homeland and give them
• 1:05:11
  a state so that they can just be OK and take care of themselves.
• 1:05:13
  Basically. In a way, it's.
• 1:05:14
  Kind of common sense. Well, you could say it's common
• 1:05:17
  sense. It's also you could even argue
• 1:05:18
  well with that, even anti-Semitic to boot them out
• 1:05:20
  and say you have to go because some Jews are like, I love being
• 1:05:23
  in, you know, I love the holy line, but I want to be in
• 1:05:25
  America. You know, it's not like every
• 1:05:27
  Jew wants to go live in Israel. It's a tough place to live for a
• 1:05:30
  lot of people. I wouldn't want to live.
• 1:05:32
  Rounded by Muslim majority countries.
• 1:05:34
  I think there are 40 plus Muslim majority countries in the world,
• 1:05:38
  maybe 44. I need to get that #51 Jewish
• 1:05:42
  majority country. Yeah, and Assad of New Jersey.
• 1:05:45
  So this is very important, the war between Israel and
• 1:05:47
  Palestine. Again, you cannot view it as a
• 1:05:49
  political, political, secular, geopolitics and a bunch of land.
• 1:05:53
  It's a spiritual, philosophical, moral and theological war.
• 1:05:58
  You have to see this war through the lens of Islam.
• 1:06:02
  So Islam has taken over all of the Middle East.
• 1:06:04
  Egypt used to be Christian as Muslim.
• 1:06:06
  Libya used to be Christian as Muslim.
• 1:06:07
  Algeria used to be Christian as Muslim.
• 1:06:08
  Jerusalem used to be Christian that became Muslim.
• 1:06:10
  Then the Jews took it back. Turkey used to be Christian, now
• 1:06:13
  Muslim. Jordan used to be Christian now
• 1:06:14
  as Muslim. Iraq used to be Christian
• 1:06:17
  Muslim. The whole ancient civilization
• 1:06:20
  of the first church was destroyed by Islam.
• 1:06:25
  So you have to understand like Christians were genocided.
• 1:06:29
  The problem is the only nation that was taken back from the
• 1:06:33
  Muslims, that's why they're manifesting demonically.
• 1:06:36
  That's why 33 Palestine and they're going crazy.
• 1:06:38
  I'm like, dude, you have the whole Middle East.
• 1:06:41
  Like why is it a little tiny piece of land?
• 1:06:43
  It's the size of New Jersey. It's so small.
• 1:06:46
  Why are you fighting for this land?
• 1:06:47
  You got Gaza, you got West Bank, you got Egypt, you got Libya,
• 1:06:51
  you got Jordan, you got Algeria, you got Iraq.
• 1:06:53
  You got like, you got the whole world.
• 1:06:55
  Why is that piece of land? Because this is the first time
• 1:06:58
  in the history of Islam where they took over a nation for
• 1:07:03
  hundreds of years and it got taken away back from them.
• 1:07:06
  Well, what's so for them? It's Muslims.
• 1:07:08
  Can practice their Muslim faith in Israel.
• 1:07:10
  Yeah. It's not like Christianity or
• 1:07:12
  Islam are illegal in Israel. You can actually go to Muslim
• 1:07:14
  holy sites in Israel that are just actually set aside for
• 1:07:17
  Muslims. So I think that's also the the
• 1:07:19
  part that is so maybe shocking when people really consider it
• 1:07:24
  that you can practice that faith freely, Islam, Islam freely in
• 1:07:29
  Israel. You can practice Christianity in
• 1:07:31
  Israel. I know Christians who live in
• 1:07:32
  Israel and are practicing their faith freely, including
• 1:07:35
  evangelizing, and they can do that.
• 1:07:38
  But if you go to Egypt like you were just describing, you can't
• 1:07:41
  do many other Muslims, not all Muslim nations, but many other
• 1:07:44
  Muslim nations. You're not going to have the
• 1:07:45
  same experience. Actually, all Muslim nations.
• 1:07:47
  In your view of all Muslim. Nations.
• 1:07:49
  You can't. All Muslim nations, no matter
• 1:07:51
  how secular they are, have blasphemy laws and apostles.
• 1:07:55
  Well. Actually, I know you're right.
• 1:07:57
  You know why I was, I was in Morocco.
• 1:07:58
  I mean, I know you're right from at least one other country's
• 1:08:00
  experience. I went to Morocco on a missions
• 1:08:02
  trip, but we were not allowed to be on a missions trip.
• 1:08:05
  We had to just, we weren't physically allowed to speak and
• 1:08:07
  talk the the name of Jesus. And I remember thinking, OK, of
• 1:08:10
  course I'll do whatever the tour.
• 1:08:11
  You know the tour guide, he's a tour guide.
• 1:08:12
  I was like building houses, rebuilding houses that have been
• 1:08:15
  broken down after earthquakes that were afflicting a lot of
• 1:08:18
  the Muslim population. But they were there kind of on a
• 1:08:20
  stealth mission to bring the Gospel, right?
• 1:08:23
  And we weren't allowed to send emails with the name of Jesus in
• 1:08:25
  them because we could be arrested for violating the law.
• 1:08:28
  And. This is a tourist friendly
• 1:08:30
  country. Palestine free, Free Palestine.
• 1:08:32
  Have you ever heard of any Muslim nation in the world
• 1:08:35
  that's free? What about Dubai, would you say?
• 1:08:37
  It's it's pseudo sahilism. If you eat, you cannot eat on
• 1:08:42
  the street during Ramadan. I checked it myself.
• 1:08:45
  I have a friend who planted a church in Dubai.
• 1:08:47
  They have to use a secular building, they have to rent it,
• 1:08:50
  and they can't really tell the government they're running
• 1:08:51
  church. And not just that, if any Arab
• 1:08:54
  Muslim steps into your church, you have to shut down the whole
• 1:08:57
  service. So the only people who are
• 1:08:59
  allowed to go to church in Dubai, they have to be
• 1:09:02
  Christians, which is like 1%. Are you allowed to convert in
• 1:09:04
  Dubai? No.
• 1:09:06
  No. And Dubai, by the way, is the
• 1:09:08
  most secular. It's the most liberal of them
• 1:09:11
  all. Yeah, liberal.
• 1:09:12
  And I know in Saudi Arabia, like I have a friend who is who I
• 1:09:15
  have a friend. Well, in Saudi Arabia, if you're
• 1:09:17
  part of particular parts and you're like a, if you're doing
• 1:09:20
  sort of contract work for a major company and you come, you
• 1:09:21
  can have a Christian School, you can have a Christian Church on
• 1:09:24
  certain parts of the land where you don't, there's no hijabs,
• 1:09:26
  there's no burkas. People can like, it's like a
• 1:09:29
  mini Western little plot of like a development because it's run
• 1:09:33
  by a major, you know, global company.
• 1:09:34
  Bible cannot go outside of. But it has some within the
• 1:09:38
  region, right? It's not like all of Saudi
• 1:09:39
  Arabia's like this, I told you. But I think in the West, we
• 1:09:41
  don't understand these distinctions in the US
• 1:09:43
  especially. And I think because many of us
• 1:09:46
  can travel as a tourist to Morocco and it's an amazing
• 1:09:48
  place to explore, right? It's beautiful.
• 1:09:50
  It's amazing. You can go as a tourist to
• 1:09:52
  obviously Dubai. A lot of people do, you know,
• 1:09:54
  Instagram influencers are having the time of their life in Dubai.
• 1:09:56
  They're partying. So it looks very like Western
• 1:09:58
  secularized. And there's a lot of like even
• 1:10:01
  Christian excesses as we're talking about happening in
• 1:10:03
  Dubai. So these distinctions get lost.
• 1:10:05
  I have friends that live there. You cannot convert.
• 1:10:08
  This is very, very important. This is not a conspiracy.
• 1:10:11
  Dubai has blasphemy laws and apostasy laws.
• 1:10:14
  This is not a conspiracy. Again, do not be deceived.
• 1:10:17
  That's why I said to you, there is no difference between Muslim
• 1:10:20
  and radical Muslim. Islam is radical.
• 1:10:22
  It doesn't matter. So even if Muslims don't don't
• 1:10:25
  kill you, they will silently sit while you're getting killed.
• 1:10:30
  And you saw that during Hamas, you see, saw that during October
• 1:10:34
  7th. How many Muslims do you know
• 1:10:36
  that would condemn October 7th? I, I'm trying to think, I mean,
• 1:10:39
  I think there are some Muslims, if I ask them directly that I am
• 1:10:43
  acquainted with, who would say, yeah, it was horrible what
• 1:10:45
  happened to the Jewish people, you know, and, and, and there
• 1:10:48
  were not just Jews that were killed on October 7th, by the
• 1:10:49
  way, but there are mostly Jews. How many Muslims do you know
• 1:10:52
  that would condemn Hamas? Yeah, I mean, I I think about
• 1:10:55
  Bill Assaili, right, as an example, and he's very
• 1:10:58
  conservative. He's a Muslim.
• 1:10:59
  He was raised Muslim and he is a conservative Republican here in
• 1:11:04
  California. He was on the show recently,
• 1:11:06
  very good man. And he says, I'm like, you know,
• 1:11:08
  basically you and I are Christian and Muslim in terms of
• 1:11:11
  our social policy is very similar.
• 1:11:13
  So you do see that? And statistically is that it's
• 1:11:16
  according to people I came across and according to the
• 1:11:20
  stats, it's like in London, it's like 8 to 9 out of 10 Muslims
• 1:11:25
  support Hamas. So this is where it gets
• 1:11:27
  interesting, right? You're.
• 1:11:27
  Saying we need the stats, Yeah. So I'm sure.
• 1:11:29
  There's our number. You're saying.
• 1:11:31
  You're saying in in. London to 10/8 Egypt is 10 out
• 1:11:35
  of 10. So 8 out of 10 Muslims in Egypt
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  would say, or excuse me, in London say they support Hamas.
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  Yeah, because it's resistance. Yeah, like Hamas is bringing the
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  will of Allah. Like you can't attack a Muslim
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  for being a Muslim. Like, it's, it's ridiculous.
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  Oh my gosh. I'm like that's why.
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  So what you're saying is, yes, of course there are some Muslims
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  like Bill Asaili as an example, who understand who are saying,
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  yes, I, I agree with your social values.
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  I believe in freedom of religion, but that's like a
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  minority within Islam. That's like that will be 0.1 out
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  of 10. It wouldn't even.
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  And that's the reason you have watched across America the
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  Palestinian protest? Yeah, they were all Muslim
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  people. Well, they're and some and some
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  and some feminist, you know, liberals, ladies who show up and
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  think that they're fighting for freedom and, and the, the guy,
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  you know, the, the, the freedom of the guy next door.
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  And they have no clue what they're actually advocating for.
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  But here's another distinction is that I think these
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  distinctions are still key, right?
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  There are children in Gaza that have been horrifically killed,
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  right, by air strikes from Israelis.
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  But then also there have been Hamas, you know, missiles that
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  have killed their own people. But there have been children.
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  And the amount of those children dying, we don't know the exact
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  numbers. There's the Hamas, you know,
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  Bureau that gives their numbers. We know children have been
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  killed. And it's devastating, right?
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  War is hell. It's horrible.
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  I don't want a single child to die.
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  They deserve to have protection just as much as any anyone else.
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  And so I think the, again, the well-intentioned American
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  wanting to March for Palestine, free Palestine, is thinking of
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  those children, which is good to think of those children.
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  We should. We should advocate.
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  For those children. Of.
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  Course. Yeah, that's that's very
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  horrific. And, and, and the state of
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  Israel isn't perfect. It has, and I this idea that
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  Israel can do no wrong is obviously not true.
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  And I think most Jews I would talk to say, of course, it's a
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  country. It's not some like special
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  church that can, you know, is perfect or something.
• 1:13:30
  It is a it is a secular country that can do things in, you know,
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  badly can, can, can commit crimes, but that doesn't.
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  Mean. Same as America.
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  But that doesn't mean that Hamas is morally superior or at the
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  level of Israel. And I think that's where the
• 1:13:45
  debate is right. I think even Christians are
• 1:13:48
  getting confused about all of this.
• 1:13:49
  Like there's been a few people making this distinction, but
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  it's like there is there is a difference between when we talk
• 1:13:55
  culturally, politically, there is a difference between the
• 1:13:58
  state of Israel as a people group and the Israeli
• 1:14:01
  government. So when?
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  I really nation. Yeah, so if I have if I have a
• 1:14:05
  disagreement with the way the Israeli government are doing
• 1:14:09
  something like to label me as anti-Semitic, obviously that
• 1:14:12
  would be stupid because you. Criticize Bibi Netanyahu?
• 1:14:15
  Exactly. It's the same way you could
• 1:14:16
  criticize Joe Biden. Or Donald Trump.
• 1:14:18
  So we should just shut down that argument straight away.
• 1:14:21
  It's like you should be able to criticize.
• 1:14:22
  And not be called anti-Semitic for criticizing Bibi.
• 1:14:25
  Exactly, but at the same time you also.
• 1:14:27
  Do that criticize Bibi Netanyahu?
• 1:14:28
  For sure, yeah. But you're also seeing, and I
• 1:14:30
  would even say this happens from like the conservative side, from
• 1:14:33
  the right. You are seeing a sense of
• 1:14:35
  identity politics come into play when they will kind of brand all
• 1:14:39
  Jews as one thing and having one idea and one response because
• 1:14:44
  they're Jews. It's like all the Jews.
• 1:14:45
  And I'm like, no, if I were to come and say the American.
• 1:14:48
  Jews. Islam is not diverse.
• 1:14:51
  There's no diversity within. Because you're attacking the
• 1:14:53
  ideology, not the people. But when you come to the Israeli
• 1:14:56
  people, they are so diverse. There are Orthodox Jews, there
• 1:14:59
  are Jews that don't care about their religion, they're just
• 1:15:02
  Jew. Because they, well, it's an
• 1:15:03
  ethno. I mean, it's also an ethnicity.
• 1:15:05
  And I think that's, I think that's also part of the lens to
• 1:15:08
  the confusion too, is like, you can be Jewish ethnically and you
• 1:15:11
  can be Jewish religiously. And then there's the overlap of
• 1:15:13
  the two. And when we when, when, you
• 1:15:15
  know, we basically created the state of Israel as the modern
• 1:15:17
  state of Israel, There is this overlap of the two, but you can
• 1:15:20
  be secular within the state of Israel.
• 1:15:22
  So I mean, we got to do more shows on this because it's been
• 1:15:25
  bubbling up more and more in media and politics.
• 1:15:28
  And I think it does matter. And it's obviously over
• 1:15:30
  intersects with what? How Christians should be showing
• 1:15:34
  up right now, how they should, How we can spread truth, both
• 1:15:38
  truth and love. And it all has consequences.
• 1:15:42
  So you, you guys are awesome. We could go for hours, you know,
• 1:15:47
  you also have podcast, a podcast.
• 1:15:49
  Tell people how they can find you both.
• 1:15:51
  You can and. When are you next here 'cause we
• 1:15:53
  gotta do this again. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:15:54
  We're here in January and May, so.
• 1:15:56
  Perfect, Yeah. No, we are all over social
• 1:15:58
  media. IG go sedra you find like six of
• 1:16:01
  us, Andrew and Olene Martin. The whole family.
• 1:16:04
  There's a lot of Sedras. There's two of me and Martin, so
• 1:16:06
  I'm not the guy that came last time, yeah.
• 1:16:08
  You'll know them by their wives. The wives are.
• 1:16:11
  Kind of two. Very beautiful wives, but look
• 1:16:13
  different, yeah. I'm not that kind of Arab with
• 1:16:15
  two wives, even though I am from the Middle East.
• 1:16:18
  So you can find us on YouTube or Echo Church.
• 1:16:21
  We're also planting a church in Florida next year.
• 1:16:23
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• 1:16:27
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• 1:16:28
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• 1:16:32
  All socials, all the thank. You thank you for sitting with
• 1:16:35
  me and just talking about all of this and sharing the stories
• 1:16:38
  too, and just challenging Christians to understand what's
• 1:16:42
  happening right now and. We wanted to honour you as well
• 1:16:44
  before you wrap up, like we are so appreciative of you even back
• 1:16:47
  in Australia, like the work you guys are doing with live action.
• 1:16:50
  Thank you. Like you guys are one of the
• 1:16:51
  first resources that I saw when I started to look into the depth
• 1:16:55
  of the pro-life issue like live action.
• 1:16:57
  Really. In Australia, yeah, we have a
• 1:16:59
  few little guys are starting, but for the last 50 years
• 1:17:02
  abortion has been the norm of Australia.
• 1:17:04
  Yeah. So I wanted to like we are the
• 1:17:05
  norm only you guys. Talk about it, maybe next time.
• 1:17:08
  Yeah, next time we can, but when it's?
• 1:17:09
  Not defending that I'm born. We're defending someone being
• 1:17:12
  born and not being. Left to die?
• 1:17:13
  Yeah, we're fighting a different battle in Australia.
• 1:17:16
  Should you kill a baby that you can see?
• 1:17:18
  Yeah, very messed up, but we love everything that you do, we
• 1:17:21
  support everything that you do and we're very grateful for you
• 1:17:23
  guys, your whole team as well. So we wanted to publicly honor
• 1:17:26
  you guys. We're so grateful.
• 1:17:28
  We're here to serve you guys in whatever way we can to just
• 1:17:31
  centralized on the biggest issues that people are killing
• 1:17:34
  children and the world looks the other direction so.
• 1:17:36
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• 1:17:39
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