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  You've heard a demonic voice say someone in your family is going
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  to die. Did you hear it verbally?
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  Yes, yes it was an audible voice.
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  When I opened the door I saw my father.
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  Now my mom realized at that point witchcraft is destroying
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  my family. I would hang it myself so they
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  have to put me down. I was completely possessed.
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  I don't remember 1 encounter changed my life forever.
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  This is the article we paid some Etsy witches to curse Charlie
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  Kirk. What do you think about all of
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  that, Julie? There is a fight not only for
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  our souls, but there is a fight for the nation.
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  Some think that black magic and witchcraft are just a joke.
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  Some think that they don't exist, that it's just hocus
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  pocus and nothing to worry about.
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  Others practice magic, and some see its deadly effects.
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  Today on the Lila Rose Show, I'm sitting down with Julie Lopez,
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  who's part of a family that has generations of witchcraft in its
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  background. Julie shares her early
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  experiences with darkness, her eventual conversion to Jesus
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  Christ, and some of the crazy experiences and lessons that she
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  learned along the way. On this show, we're committed to
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  shining light on darkness so that every person can thrive as
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  To Julie Lopez, welcome to the podcast.
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  Thank you so much. Thank you for coming in all the
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  way from Canada. Yes.
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  Your story is very convicting. I think we need to understand
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  how serious the spiritual battle is, that there is a spiritual
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  battle for our souls and you've from a very young age have seen
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  this first hand. Yeah.
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  So I believe we are in a spiritual warfare right now as
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  we can see. We can see that even on the
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  nation's, not only for our soul, but in the nation's.
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  And yes, I'm from a really young age, I was exposed to demons and
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  spiritual warfare, so. My team noticed your work from a
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  website that you have some other interviews.
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  You've been doing a deliverance ministry that you have over in
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  Canada. You are Christian, you're
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  outspoken about the gospel in your faith and you're outspoken
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  about the reality of witchcraft today.
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  And I do think when I have Exorcist on the show, they talk
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  about the increase in witchcraft and this the dark, the dark
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  spiritual world of the demonic that is being played with today.
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  Unfortunately, people don't realize the harm of it.
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  So your story so is so compelling to help people
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  understand the harm. I want to start with your
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  background. So tell me about where you were
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  raised. And before we get into the dark
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  stuff, tell me about some of the beautiful things that were a
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  part of your childhood. So I was originally born in
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  Colombia, South America, really loving family after all.
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  And when I was really young, I moved to Spain.
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  I was around six or seven years, I moved to Spain.
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  I grew up in Spain, but I was really my childhood.
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  Even though I went through a lot of stuff when I was young, I
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  feel like my childhood was still happy.
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  And then when we moved to Spain, I feel like that's where things
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  started to turn like dark. And you had brothers and
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  sisters. So yeah, I have two younger
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  brothers. I am the oldest and then my mum
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  and then eventually my father. But then I come from generations
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  of witchcraft. My great grandmother, she
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  basically initiated the whole family into witchcraft.
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  Like my mom, my grandmother, me and but yeah, but I think I have
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  a good childhood. Yeah.
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  So when you were in Colombia, we were talking earlier about being
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  kind of in a village in Colombia.
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  And your first memory of what? Of witchcraft.
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  You didn't realize what it was at the time.
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  Tell me about the really that village that you were in, what
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  it was like. And then tell us about that
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  memory, that first memory of being exposed to witchcraft.
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  So I used to leave. So my family, before we moved to
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  Spain, we were really poor. We didn't have, I mean, I didn't
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  realize at the time it was when you are young you don't realize
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  actually if you are black in or if you are involved in
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  witchcraft or any of these things.
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  And my great grandmother, so she used to be a medium.
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  She used to channel spirits and speak to the death.
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  She also, they used to say that she used to be the shaman of the
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  village. So a lot of people used to go to
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  her for like healings and things like that.
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  And I remember that was kind of like the first experience that I
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  had with any type of ritual or any type of witchcraft.
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  I was really young, maybe like two or three.
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  And my great grandmother took me to to a place with a man.
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  I don't remember. I just had like glimpses of this
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  memory and they put me inside of a Ring of Fire and I could
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  remember seeing myself inside of this circle of fire.
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  And they were doing something or just speaking something upon me,
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  both of them. And they were throwing like
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  plants. It was like some sort of ritual.
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  I believe he was some sort of like in initiation.
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  And it was from that moment that I realized, like, the spiritual
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  run was real because my spiritual senses got activated
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  and I started to have encounters with demons and then angels, and
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  I was seeing all of these crazy stuff as a young girl.
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  Eventually, I didn't know what I was experiencing.
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  And that became like just part of my daily routine.
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  So this idea of like this ring of circle, a circle of fire of
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  sorts that you kind of have this glimpse of in your childhood,
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  your great grandmother's taking you here to this place where
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  there's this man. It's some sort of a ritual.
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  At what point did you realize you're only three years old?
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  So at what point do you realize, Oh, my grandmother, my great
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  grandmother is practicing witchcraft?
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  I actually didn't realize until I became a Christian.
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  I didn't because it's generations of witchcraft.
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  So you grew up in a culture where there's a lot of
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  witchcraft and the family is openly doing witchcraft.
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  So I didn't even think that we were witches.
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  I didn't think that that was wrong because I grew up seeing
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  my mom also doing cleansings and, you know, consulting the
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  death and doing rituals in the house.
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  So for me, it was normal. But it wasn't actually until I
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  gave my life to Christ that I've realized the witchcraft is
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  wrong. And, you know, I have been a
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  Christian for like 15 years now. And it wasn't until like four or
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  five years ago that I actually realized, wait a minute, like
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  you were involved in witchcraft. Like you, you know, demons were
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  tormenting you and all of these things that you went through,
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  that's not from God. And that's what I actually
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  realized. My great grandmother, you know,
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  is a witch. Even now when you ask my family
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  and you tell them you know that our great grandmother used to be
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  a witch, they don't see, they don't realize that she was
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  actually doing witchcraft. It was just seen as normal, like
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  like a, like a habit or a, a family practice where other
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  people in this part of Colombia also involved in these sorts of
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  witchcraft rituals and it was just part of the culture and
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  normal or was it just your family?
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  No, it is. It's part of the culture.
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  And I will say in Latin America is quite common that you might
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  go to church and then you do witchcraft or you know, people
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  because the culture is so also spiritual.
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  So people are looking for the spiritual experiences.
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  But this is what we see now in society.
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  It's not like a lot of people are hungry for a spiritual
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  experiences. But in my culture in Colombia,
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  this is this witchcraft wherever you go.
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  And now that I have the opportunity to live there for
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  three years, for me it was I opening because wherever you go,
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  people are doing witchcraft even, you know, during the day
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  in front of people. And eventually for me now as a
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  Christian, that's like, that was shocking to realize that, wow,
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  my culture is actually there's so much witchcraft wherever you
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  go. Now you know what it is.
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  Yeah. What's an example of doing
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  witchcraft in the daytime so for?
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  Example, there was this time where we were just going in this
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  village just to see the village. I was with my husband and with
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  my kids and we were going around some shops and suddenly I
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  started to smell witchcraft because sometimes they use
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  certain smells or oils or something at the time of doing
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  witchcraft. So I look at my husband and I
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  said to him, I feel like there's someone doing witchcraft in
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  here. And as we were entering through
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  this road, there was a lot of shows and there was a woman next
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  to us literally doing tobacco and cleansing and sage and doing
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  literally like a cleansing for her business to attract more
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  people. And I immediately realise this,
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  this, this is witchcraft. Like people don't hide anymore.
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  And you know, people doing titled cars outside and you know
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  pal ham like pal ham. Reading.
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  Yeah, the psychic they advertise.
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  And he's, he was. Just here in the US.
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  Yeah. So it's just basically, it
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  doesn't hide. What I see now is that
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  witchcraft doesn't hide anymore. And you see everywhere you see
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  in Hollywood, you see in music, you see in movies, you see even
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  in the chart. So I feel like, yeah, he's
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  everywhere now. I want to go back to the
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  childhood and then there's a lot to talk about with, like you
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  said, witchcraft is everywhere today because it is.
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  And I think it needs to be exposed and discussed and and
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  warned against. But going back to your
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  childhood, you had this kind of scary experience when you were
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  three. What are some of the other
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  memories that you have of being exposed to the demonic at a very
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  young age? So then I have this other really
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  strong encounter that all of my family knows about.
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  I was, I was still young, like four or five.
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  It was after I had that experience, I felt like I was
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  more exposed to darkness. Whatever happened during that
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  ritual activated something around me.
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  And I remember this specific encounter that I have that I
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  had. I was sleeping with my mom and
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  suddenly I could hear someone coming inside of the room.
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  But I could literally feel that like the the steps of this thing
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  coming straight away. I felt fear like I felt at that
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  young age that it was demonic and when this evil thing entered
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  the room he was weird but I could hear him singing in
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  demonic tongues. He was speaking demonic tongues
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  and and singing. I was trying to call my mom but
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  my mom wasn't waking up and I was under my blankets just
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  sweating. I so scared of this thing that
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  was coming in the room when suddenly I felt that he this
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  demon pulled out the blankets and he started to touch my legs
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  so I felt his hands. It was super, super, super hot,
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  these demonic voices speaking, like chanting something in the
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  atmosphere, touching my legs. And I think I fainted because it
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  was such a strong experience. And then eventually when I wake
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  up, my mom tells me that she thought that I was going to go
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  crazy because that was such an strong experience for me.
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  You were screaming. I was just screaming.
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  I wake up. I was just screaming.
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  My mom was trying to call me. I was.
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  I thought that I was losing my mind.
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  But then throughout that day, I had another encounter when I was
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  looking myself in the mirror and I was just doing my hair and
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  suddenly I saw my eyes now became fire.
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  And I was looking in the mirror and all I could see was like
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  someone was looking to me and I could feel like there was fire
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  and I was just going crazy. I thought, I'm losing my mind
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  like this is demonic. And eventually all of my family
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  realized and they keep joking or Satan came to visit Julie, and
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  eventually I realized there was a lot of demonic activity.
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  So that was kind of like the first demonic encounter that I
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  had at a really young age. But also when I was around the
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  same age, I also had an encounter with angels.
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  So there was like these, I felt even when I was like young that
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  there was a fight like demonic encounters and Nigerian
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  encounters and I couldn't like understand what was happening
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  because I felt that the enemy was trying to Take Me Out.
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  But then I could see this heavenly protection upon my life
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  also protecting me from accidents.
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  There was this time where I was around the same age after that
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  demonic encounter that I had, and I was trying to cross the
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  road. I went to the shop to buy
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  something and I was going to go home and a car hit me.
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  There was like a massive bun hit me.
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  But then I remember feeling like something was pulling the wheels
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  of the car and I only got a scratch on my leg.
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  And everyone thought like, you know, it was such a strong
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  accident. I could have died, but I
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  literally, in that moment, felt like there was some sort of
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  angelic activity around. So from a young age I was aware
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  there's demons, but there's angels.
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  But eventually I was more involved in, you know, all of
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  these demonic experiences and encounters.
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  So many questions. Well, first of all, with the
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  Angelica encounters, it sounds like you felt an Angel saved
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  your life from this car hitting you as a kid.
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  Did you have any other encounters with the Angelica
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  that you remember around that time?
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  Yeah, I had. But it was mostly I felt when I
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  was about to really injure myself, I felt that there was
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  like angels around. And there was this other
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  encounter where I was going in a horse.
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  I was really young and I was with my godfather and we were
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  going up a hill. Eventually I could have failed.
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  And it was there was like rocks and there was quite dangerous.
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  But I remember I was falling and I was growing so hard.
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  And then suddenly I felt literally someone grabbed me
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  from here and pulled me on the floor safe.
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  And then eventually there was workers around.
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  So when they look at me, they were looking surprised.
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  Like how did she ended up there? I was literally standing on the
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  floor between there was like like 2.
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  There was like a how do you call it?
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  There was like 2 things where they I I was placed by in the
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  middle of my legs there was a hole so I could have literally
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  fell down and it was literally this thing pulled me and my legs
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  were standing and there was in the middle I saw there was like
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  this massive hole and everyone was looking around like what
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  just happened. But I literally felt like
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  someone grabbing my waist, my body and putting me down so that
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  I know that was who was. So you were falling off a horse,
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  other people were around and instead of like falling, it was
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  like something like lifted you back.
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  Up onto the onto the horse. No on the floor.
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  I ended up standing on the floor of the.
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  Horse. Standing, Wow.
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  So I didn't feel, I didn't hurt. It didn't hurt myself.
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  It was literally I felt someone grabbed me and then eventually
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  when they realized they were looking back, like how did you
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  just ended up there? I was like, I don't know.
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  I just felt like someone just pulled me down and and saved me.
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  So when you were having these experiences, these scary
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  experiences that seemed demonic and then these, you know,
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  reassuring experiences that seemed like God was looking out
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  for you and sending an assistance, you know, an Angel
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  to help you. What did your family think of
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  all of this? They were active.
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  You said your mother was actively practicing witchcraft
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  and your. My great grandmother.
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  'S What about your grandmother? Was she all my all three
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  generations? Everyone through generations but
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  then my grandmother died when my mom was 9.
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  But as far as I know, my mom tells me even she was involved
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  in. Like, you grew up with the great
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  grandmother and she was doing the witchcraft.
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  Yeah. And so when they heard you, when
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  Julie, little Julie would say, I, I I like they saw you, you
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  know, terrified out of your mind by something demonic.
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  And then they heard, oh, Julie seemed to be saved from this
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  car. How did they come?
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  How did the family interpret those events?
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  So we talk a lot, especially about the encounter that I had
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  when I was young, especially because my mom was there with
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  me. So she saw me when, you know,
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  when I was kind of like, going crazy and with a lot of fear.
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  But they will just say, oh, no, it's because you are behaving
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  bad. So, you know, the demons are
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  coming so you can learn your lesson so you can behave.
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  So they never actually realized. Like, could it be that because
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  we're practicing witchcraft, there's opening doors to the
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  Monica encounters and activities?
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  And now my daughter is being possessed and having these
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  encounters? They always thought that
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  because, you know, you're behaving bad, so you are being
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  punished kind of. So yeah, that's.
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  And the angelic encounters, they're just, oh, yeah, that's
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  good. Spirits are helping her.
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  Out because even though they were, you know, doing
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  witchcraft, they still believe in angelic activity.
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  So they believe is still that hey, this is, you know, angels
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  are taking care of her. So, you know, it wasn't like an
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  awareness of realizing that, you know, there's witchcraft.
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  This is opening things. No, they were doing witchcraft,
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  but they still believe in angelic activity.
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  So they thought, oh, OK, so we are protected, they are taking
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  care of us. How do you define witchcraft?
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  So witchcraft is any a spiritual control or manipulation that
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  operates outside of God's will. I say that is basically the
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  misuse of a spiritual authority. So is anyone that is trying to
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  access this power of this spiritual realm outside of Jesus
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  Christ. That's why the Bible says that
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  He is the truth, He is the way, and He is the light.
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  So no one can access the Father or access the spiritual realm
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  only through Jesus Christ. So anyone else that is trying to
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  get a spiritual knowledge or maybe through meditation a new
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  age. So anyone that tries to access
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  the spiritual realm or the power of the knowledge outside of
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  Jesus Christ, like through New age, through witchcraft,
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  Satanism, crystals, meditation, yoga, outside of Jesus Christ,
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  they are doing witchcraft and they are accessing the spiritual
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  realm illegally. So when you are accessing
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  something illegally, the spiritual realm through those
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  means you are open to a spiritual demonic activity.
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  And this is what I see with a lot of people that you know now,
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  especially now in the culture we see so much witchcraft is not
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  hiding anymore. We see everywhere, but now you
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  also see that there is like people are hungry for the
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  spiritual realm. People are hungry to, to to
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  understand and to experience the spiritual realm.
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  And I believe that's where we as the body of Christ where we need
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  to enter in because the only legal way to access that is
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  through Jesus Christ. He is the one that, you know,
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  when we are having praying and having encounters with the
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  Father with angelic activity, there's protection there through
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  his blood. Because something that I also
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  understood from being in witchcraft is that there is in
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  the spiritual realm, there is a currency.
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  And his blood, you know, for us is faith is Jesus Christ is his
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  blood. But in the occultism, the
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  currency is actually blood. That's why you see so many
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  sacrifices. That's why you see so many
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  blood. That's why you see rituals that
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  involve blood and sacrifices. Love abortion?
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  Exactly. That is exactly, and that's what
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  we see right now in the governments and in society that
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  there's these abortions and all of that stuff.
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  That's those are rituals. Those are so when you something
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  that I learned is that when because I used to cut myself at
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  some point when I was consecrated to a demon, he
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  became my spirit guy when I was cutting myself, he was literally
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  me giving him power through my blog.
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  Were you angsty when you were cutting yourself, like you were
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  hating yourself? Or you were doing it like this
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  is a fun. This is a good ritual.
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  I started first or just subconsciously cutting myself.
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  I just felt a desire. Then he became, when I fell into
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  depression, it became more like I want to die.
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  But like I didn't realize that actually when you are doing
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  bloodshed, you are giving power to these demonic principalities,
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  which is basically what is happening now in the nations
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  where abortion is open. What they are doing through the
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  know, when they used to, to be like sacrifices to battle and to
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  But now it's called abortion. Now it's, it's not called, hey,
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  yourself, even cutting yourself. You were depressed.
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  But walk me through the next steps because you would talk
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  about these angelic, demonic experiences when you were maybe
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  five and six. You're still in Columbia.
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  Walk me through the steps of what your life looked like then
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  as a kid and then when you move to Spain and what happened in
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  Spain. So then after the I moved to
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  Spain, I was around here like six or seven years and then in
• 25:30
  Spain now, I didn't have my great grandmother with me
• 25:33
  anymore. It was not my mom.
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  And I just grew up, all of my childhood.
• 25:37
  I grew up just seeing my mom doing her things.
• 25:40
  At that point, I wasn't that involved in witchcraft, but I
• 25:43
  saw the things that my mom was doing in the house, the rituals,
• 25:47
  the cleansings. Now when I became 12.
• 25:50
  So sorry to interrupt. When you say she was doing
• 25:52
  rituals and cleansing, can't you just explain what that means?
• 25:54
  Yeah. So cleansing for to attract good
• 25:57
  luck to attract money. And cleansing is like washing
• 26:00
  with water. So the the rituals that she used
• 26:03
  to do was, I mean, I don't like to talk about specific things
• 26:06
  about witchcraft, but it was basically she used to do some
• 26:10
  sort of ritual with like lemon and then to attract something
• 26:14
  she will use like cinnamon and sugar and honey.
• 26:17
  Sometimes we even go to the river because, you know, witches
• 26:22
  believed that rivers and have have some sort of like energy
• 26:25
  and power. So we will go to the river to to
• 26:28
  have like some sort of cleansing and purify ourselves from, you
• 26:33
  know, the dark energy. Because something that it was
• 26:35
  really interested. It was like we were witches, but
• 26:39
  at the same time, we have an understanding that there was
• 26:42
  also demonic activity around. So we would try to protect the
• 26:46
  house and protect ourselves from whatever was happening around
• 26:50
  with this demonic activity with without even realizing that we
• 26:53
  were opening the door for more demonic activity to come in.
• 26:57
  So then when I became 12, that was when I became like more
• 27:02
  aware of, OK, like there's witches around.
• 27:05
  I mean, we never said like we are witches and stuff, but at 12
• 27:09
  years old, I remember my Mama started to have now a lot of
• 27:14
  friends that were witches. So they were coming into the
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  house, they were doing the white magic, which is basically we
• 27:21
  used to believe that white magic.
• 27:23
  It was, it was some sort of magic that it doesn't harm
• 27:27
  anyone. You are just connecting to
• 27:29
  nature. You are just connecting to these
• 27:31
  deities and you have the power in your mouth.
• 27:34
  So declare something positive. Read white candles and also it
• 27:40
  was. They called it white magic.
• 27:41
  Yes. So we, they started to train me
• 27:43
  now to understand that I had this power inside of me that I
• 27:48
  could use for good. No, for bad, just for good.
• 27:52
  So that's when I learned to read candles.
• 27:54
  That's when I learned to understand that I had a power
• 27:58
  inside of me that I could use for benefit, which now
• 28:02
  eventually a real life realize now that every type of magic is
• 28:05
  wrong because as I said, you are accessing something outside of
• 28:09
  Jesus Christ. Now you are falling into
• 28:12
  witchcraft and other demons because we have the Holy Spirit,
• 28:16
  but we used to have the spirit guides and that's when it became
• 28:20
  dangerous because they lie to you, right?
• 28:23
  Even like sometimes I remember when we were doing white magic,
• 28:27
  we will believe that, you know, the archangels were coming to
• 28:31
  protect us. And the Bible says that the
• 28:33
  enemy, you know, dresses as Angel of light.
• 28:37
  And that's when, you know, now as a Christian, I realize how
• 28:40
  many people involved in Neoite and witchcraft are having
• 28:43
  apparently their angels, archangels and Michael coming to
• 28:47
  visit them. When in reality our demons
• 28:50
  stress as Angel of light. And these angels or demonic
• 28:53
  entities are giving them information and they feel
• 28:55
  protected because that's what we used to believe.
• 28:58
  Oh, we are protected. Like, oh, Archangel and Michael
• 29:01
  is here, Gabriel is here, when in reality it was actually
• 29:05
  demonic entities that were, you know, that we were part of.
• 29:08
  We had on Ishmael Yousef as an example on the show who is a ex
• 29:15
  Muslim, became a Christian and he shared how, you know, his
• 29:20
  Islamic faith. He believes it's very there's a
• 29:22
  lot of demonic elements of it. And you know, the Prophet
• 29:26
  Muhammad said that it was the Angel Archangel Gabriel who
• 29:29
  appeared to him and gave him the Quran.
• 29:31
  Yeah. And Ishmael, Ishmael saying I
• 29:33
  believe that was Satan. Oh, yeah, definitely.
• 29:36
  And that's what you see in all of the religions, like all of
• 29:39
  these different religions that we see is that they all start
• 29:44
  with an encounter, A visitation with an Angel.
• 29:50
  And I'm like, wow, that's really curious that, you know, the
• 29:53
  Bible says that the enemy trust is an Angel of light.
• 29:56
  And we were having those type of encounters and we thought that
• 30:00
  we were protected. So that's why when you are in
• 30:02
  that world, you don't think you're doing anything wrong.
• 30:05
  You're having angels that are protecting you.
• 30:07
  So why is that going to be wrong?
• 30:09
  So did you have encounters at this around this time with
• 30:13
  angels that you thought were the archangels?
• 30:15
  I personally didn't, but I could.
• 30:17
  I mean, I knew because. Your mother did or?
• 30:20
  Yes. And the witches, when they were
• 30:21
  doing the rituals, they will call upon these angels and for
• 30:25
  information, even at the time of doing white magic, you would
• 30:29
  because white magic, it was like this sort of like godly type of
• 30:34
  magic. So eventually they would call
• 30:36
  upon archangels and do prayers to archangels and it was
• 30:41
  apparently it was all peaceful and God and godly and it wasn't
• 30:46
  anything wrong. But in reality, like we were
• 30:49
  doing witchcraft. So were you there when they were
• 30:52
  doing these sessions or you'd hear about them later?
• 30:54
  No, no, no. I was present.
• 30:56
  And so at that moment I was, I was looking.
• 30:59
  They didn't allow me to join in at that point yet, but I was
• 31:02
  being trained by this other witch, but I wasn't in.
• 31:06
  It wasn't until later on that I started to be like part of the
• 31:10
  rituals and the things that they were doing.
• 31:12
  So what what, what I mean, I know you don't want to share too
• 31:15
  many details because we don't want people to be like, oh, that
• 31:17
  sounds interesting. You know, obviously this is all
• 31:20
  the portal to the demonic. But what are you comfortable
• 31:22
  sharing or what do you think is prudent to share about what this
• 31:24
  actually looks like when they are doing these rituals and
• 31:29
  inviting in the archangels? And I am also curious if when
• 31:32
  these they claimed that the archangels were there, would you
• 31:35
  like watch them in a trance? Like, oh, I'm talking to the
• 31:37
  Angel Gabriel. He told me I you know what?
• 31:41
  What is he going to tell you? He tells me I'm going to be rich
• 31:42
  one day. I mean, what are they?
• 31:44
  What kind of messages are they? Are they giving?
• 31:46
  So like, it's a lot of information about apparently,
• 31:50
  you know, the future and things that are coming, which in
• 31:53
  reality they don't even have any sort of knowledge about what is
• 31:56
  going to happen. But like, I remember they used
• 32:00
  to just sit in circles because circles mean unity.
• 32:04
  But I started to see the the worst part of witchcraft later
• 32:08
  on. At this point, they were just
• 32:10
  doing like, you know, just sit together in here and the titled
• 32:13
  cars and they will close their eyes and call upon the angels
• 32:17
  and, you know, call upon these entities.
• 32:20
  But I didn't see actually that much until later on, which I was
• 32:25
  then by this point like 1415. And it was then the we started
• 32:30
  to do in black, do more black magic because now my mom had
• 32:35
  more friends that were actually doing black magic.
• 32:38
  Like black witchcraft, which is basically the type of witchcraft
• 32:41
  that you used to control people, to kill people, to control
• 32:46
  situations is basically a lot of breaking people's will.
• 32:51
  And that's when I remember the first time that this witch came
• 32:55
  inside of the house. She told my mum, your daughter
• 32:59
  carries something like she has a gift.
• 33:01
  But I grow up through all of my life hearing a lot of people
• 33:04
  saying that I had a gift. So I wasn't surprised.
• 33:07
  But she was telling my mum, we need to consecrate her.
• 33:12
  We need to do a ritual and we need to consecrate her.
• 33:14
  So my mum thought, OK, yes, good.
• 33:16
  So I remember. So that was the first time that
• 33:18
  I was actually involved now in a ritual.
• 33:21
  Did your mother think though, oh, she's already consecrated?
• 33:23
  Great grandma did that when she was three.
• 33:24
  I mean, was there any there was more like we could just
• 33:27
  endlessly do consecrations or how did she kind of see that?
• 33:30
  Mom doesn't know what I went through when I was young.
• 33:33
  She didn't know that my great grandmother took me to a place
• 33:36
  and there was like this sort of consecration about that.
• 33:38
  No, because she was working so I was living with my great
• 33:41
  grandmother so she wasn't aware of what was going on.
• 33:45
  So eventually my mum agreed and we had this ritual in the house.
• 33:49
  All of us were dressed white and they put me in the middle of the
• 33:54
  circle. If you see there is always
• 33:56
  circles, right? The circle of fire, the circle
• 33:59
  at the time of doing all of these witchcraft and activity
• 34:01
  because a circle means unity like we used to believe a circle
• 34:05
  is unity. So they pulled me in the centre
• 34:09
  and there was this other witches around and the main witch, the
• 34:13
  one that started to train me and teach me all of these dark
• 34:17
  magic, is she has started to call upon this entity which is
• 34:21
  basically one of the three Venezuelan powers is an Waikai
• 34:26
  Poro Indian, which is basically now when you see Venezuela, the
• 34:30
  president is actually consecrated the nation to that
• 34:33
  demon which is a principality. The the president of Venezuela
• 34:37
  has publicly consecrated the nation to a demon.
• 34:40
  Yeah, which the way Venezuela is suffering, it's no surprise that
• 34:45
  complete chaos and poverty and corruption is reigning in that
• 34:50
  nation. That's so sad.
• 34:51
  Exactly. So like so she has started to
• 34:55
  now call upon this principality. But something that I didn't know
• 34:59
  is that this type of demons of her rank, because there is ranks
• 35:04
  in the spiritual realm, the same way that there is ranks in the
• 35:07
  church and there is ranks in the spiritual realm, in witchcraft
• 35:10
  and in the occult and in the spirit.
• 35:12
  There are demons of harangue, There are minions, there are
• 35:16
  others that are just the little soldiers.
• 35:18
  That's how I like to say yes. So this demon of harangue, I
• 35:22
  didn't know that a lot of people try to get him as a spirit guy,
• 35:27
  but he doesn't get anyone. He only gets a specific people.
• 35:32
  So the fact that he picked me and he accepted me, that was
• 35:35
  like an honor to have him lead in me now.
• 35:38
  So when we we did this ritual, she call upon this demon and she
• 35:43
  offered me to the demon. So the demon came into the
• 35:46
  meeting. And how old were you about this
• 35:49
  point? I was like 1516.
• 35:50
  So I was like more aware. So I was able to like see things
• 35:53
  and know what was actually happening now.
• 35:56
  And they yeah, the the the demon accepted and.
• 36:01
  They did you see this the demon showing up.
• 36:03
  Spiritually, because you were like, in a trance.
• 36:06
  And you watched this demon Yes did it was a scary looking.
• 36:09
  No, it didn't appear scary to me.
• 36:12
  But that point, that's what like I wasn't like an Indian because
• 36:16
  he's represented as an Indian like an Indigenous.
• 36:21
  So I wasn't scared like I used to see things around, but.
• 36:24
  I just seemed like this, like old man.
• 36:26
  Exactly. How many this is gonna be your
• 36:29
  spirit guide now, you know, at the time of doing rituals, we
• 36:34
  used to call upon him because now this which is starting now
• 36:36
  to teach me about, you know, now titled cars and now crystals.
• 36:42
  And she gave me all of these bunch of crystals and told me
• 36:45
  how to cleanse them and, you know, healing and how to see
• 36:48
  things through the crystals and tobacco reading and all of these
• 36:52
  astral projection and leaving your body and visiting places.
• 36:56
  And so now it was like, now I was like, wow, this is fun.
• 37:00
  Like I didn't realize that this was becoming even darker now
• 37:03
  because now I learned that if there was someone annoying me,
• 37:11
  let's say I could use witchcraft to have a go at them.
• 37:15
  So at that age, I will go to her and I will tell her like, Hey,
• 37:18
  my ex is my boyfriend is cheated on me.
• 37:21
  Like, what are we, what are we going to do?
• 37:22
  And she will actually, you know, do witchcraft from the girl that
• 37:26
  he was cheating with. And so all of these things.
• 37:29
  And I realized too, that I became so sensitive now to a
• 37:33
  different level, to the spiritual right and to the point
• 37:36
  that I could feel my spirit guy. I could see him.
• 37:39
  He will be outside of of my room breaking things.
• 37:43
  And I knew it's him. But I wasn't scared at that
• 37:45
  point because I felt I had this strong connection with my spirit
• 37:48
  guy. It's all good at the time of
• 37:50
  doing rituals, you know, he's coming and he's telling us
• 37:55
  things. So I didn't think at that point
• 37:58
  it was bad until I started to become like severely depressed.
• 38:04
  By that point I was cutting myself without realizing that I
• 38:06
  was giving blood to this demon. And at that point, things
• 38:11
  started to now turn darker in my house.
• 38:15
  So this is your entree into black magic?
• 38:18
  You didn't even know. Did they call it black magic?
• 38:21
  No, they just which was the natural.
• 38:23
  Exactly. We didn't say oh this is white
• 38:25
  magic, this is grim. Like now I am aware, but by then
• 38:29
  to just have that different level of authority, which is
• 38:32
  basically now you get to control people, you get to control
• 38:36
  situations, you get to put courses on people, you get to,
• 38:41
  so we will call it witchcraft or high rank different.
• 38:43
  And did you use the word witchcraft together?
• 38:47
  What would you call this activity that you were doing?
• 38:49
  Yeah, we will call it witchcraft, but it didn't feel
• 38:53
  like it didn't fail. It didn't feel wrong, just magic
• 38:57
  witchcraft. Magic.
• 38:58
  And did you see demons, anything demonic around this time or it
• 39:03
  just all seemed normal? Not a bit, you know, fun.
• 39:05
  Nice. Yes, so it wasn't until I
• 39:09
  started to now be super tormented because now we were
• 39:14
  entering into the way, you know, witchcraft, like different type
• 39:18
  of witchcraft on, you know, my mom.
• 39:21
  There was this this time where my mom was trying to bring one
• 39:24
  of her brothers to Spain and something happened and she
• 39:31
  contacted a voodoo person. A voodoo.
• 39:35
  Person. Yeah.
• 39:36
  And they were doing a ritual with an animal with blood,
• 39:40
  basically to help my uncle to come to Spain without realizing,
• 39:44
  you know, they were opening up portal to death because he
• 39:47
  during COVID, he was in coma for one month.
• 39:52
  And now that I was living in Colombia for three years, I got
• 39:55
  to talk to him. Hey, can you please tell me more
• 39:57
  about this experience? And he said that during that
• 40:00
  month that he was in coma, there was a moment that he saw a
• 40:04
  demon, a spirit of death, chasing him.
• 40:07
  And he was running, running, running, running.
• 40:09
  And he was just basically calling upon the name of Jesus.
• 40:13
  And now when I'm talking to my mom now I'm saying to her, like,
• 40:15
  did you know that he had this experience?
• 40:17
  And now she's telling me, oh, yes, we, I actually did this
• 40:21
  blood sacrifice with an animal in his behalf without realizing
• 40:26
  yet that we were opening a portal to a spirit of death that
• 40:29
  almost actually cost his life. And so it wasn't until yet until
• 40:34
  like at that point that I started to be like, now, like,
• 40:39
  literally so much fear. I'm trying to commit suicide.
• 40:43
  Things in my house were turning like dark.
• 40:45
  You go to sleep. This is sorry.
• 40:46
  This is after the blood sacrifice for your uncle or just
• 40:49
  around the same. Time that was just around the
• 40:50
  SO. When you're cutting yourself,
• 40:51
  you're getting depressed. And now, eventually now I'm
• 40:57
  realizing I don't want to live anymore.
• 40:59
  I was at that point my mom didn't know because they were
• 41:01
  working all day. I was an alcoholic as a 16 year
• 41:04
  old. I was drinking, going to school,
• 41:07
  coming back, get drunk, going to sleep.
• 41:10
  They didn't even realize I was drinking every single day.
• 41:14
  I was now cutting myself. I ended up in hospital multiple
• 41:18
  times because I I just felt like I didn't want to live and this
• 41:21
  emptiness inside of me like what am I living for?
• 41:24
  But at the same time feeling like like this demon wanted my
• 41:28
  life and wanted my blood. So it was like a weird feeling
• 41:31
  of battling and there wasn't until we did a big ritual in the
• 41:38
  house, in the entrance of the house, because the entrance
• 41:41
  represents that you are giving entrance and authority to these
• 41:44
  demons to enter, to these spirit guides to enter.
• 41:47
  So it was all of us there and we were speaking in tongues,
• 41:51
  demonic tongues. So we were in this.
• 41:53
  Who was theirs? Your mother.
• 41:54
  My mum, this witch that was training me and three more
• 41:58
  witches I think. Local witches in Spain.
• 42:01
  That was just my mum's friend. I've got to ask before you share
• 42:04
  the story, how did your mother get connected with these ladies?
• 42:07
  Do you know something that I always say is that spirits
• 42:09
  attract themselves, demons attract themselves.
• 42:12
  So my mum wasn't looking. For she just met.
• 42:15
  They just met them relatively. And then you realize growing up
• 42:19
  my mom was just surrounded by witches and he was like, how do
• 42:22
  you find these people? They would just find themselves.
• 42:25
  And so if we were in that circle speaking in the morning tongues,
• 42:31
  we were trying to access information through my spirit
• 42:35
  guide through this demon of high rank.
• 42:38
  And eventually before that we were preparing the atmosphere
• 42:41
  because we were aware that if we are doing a ritual, that's
• 42:45
  probably that demonic entities that might try to come into the
• 42:49
  meeting and we didn't want that, right?
• 42:51
  So we knew that we have to do certain cleansings and to
• 42:55
  prepare the atmosphere and all of that.
• 42:56
  But then at the time of us doing the ritual, the witch that was
• 43:01
  training me, she became completely possessed, like her
• 43:05
  face change, her body change, her everything about her change.
• 43:10
  And you could tell it wasn't head anymore.
• 43:13
  Now that was a speaking and everything around just became
• 43:18
  suddenly like a slow MO for me like the atmosphere, the
• 43:22
  darkness and this demon is started to give information to
• 43:28
  the other witches. But then suddenly he look at my
• 43:31
  mom and he started to say to my mom, someone in your family is
• 43:36
  going to die in one week with an awful voice and the eyes closed
• 43:39
  because she didn't have her eyes open.
• 43:41
  And my mom started to cry. But that point I was trying to
• 43:44
  commit suicide. So I was thinking it's going to
• 43:47
  be me. Like I'm next like you don't
• 43:49
  want to die. At that point I realized I don't
• 43:51
  want to die. And this demon, I started to ask
• 43:54
  my mom, do you want to know who it is?
• 43:55
  Do you want to know who it is? And I look at my mom and I said
• 43:59
  to my mom like that like no, like I don't want to know if
• 44:01
  it's me. I don't want to know if I'm
• 44:03
  going to die. Like at that moment, I became
• 44:04
  scared of dying. So the atmosphere turned so dark
• 44:09
  that we decided to just cut the session.
• 44:11
  And we realized what was this entity that came in?
• 44:15
  We realized it wasn't our spirit guy.
• 44:18
  It wasn't an Angel or an Archangel.
• 44:20
  There was actually a demon that entered into the meeting and he
• 44:24
  was, you know, releasing death and threats and things upon upon
• 44:29
  us. So we closed the session.
• 44:31
  By that point, I was living with this witch.
• 44:34
  So you heard a demonic voice say someone in your family is going
• 44:37
  to die. Did did you hear it verbally,
• 44:39
  audibly, or yes? Yes, it was an audible voice and
• 44:42
  you could hear, you could see. Through the mouth of the witch
• 44:45
  or from this external. No, through this witch.
• 44:49
  But it wasn't her voice. It was it was a demonic voice.
• 44:53
  Even the way that she looked, the way that she was behaving,
• 44:56
  it was like everything, she was just shaking and a lot of anger.
• 45:00
  So it wasn't actually it was physical.
• 45:03
  All of this that was happening around was like physical
• 45:05
  activity, like demonic activity. And so when the demon says how
• 45:10
  many of your family is going to die in one week?
• 45:12
  OK, we closed the session. We didn't even think about what
• 45:15
  is going to happen. We just thought like, OK, let's
• 45:17
  just do the cleansing and let's just cleanse the atmosphere
• 45:20
  without realizing that we would invite in more demons.
• 45:23
  But I believe in that moment, there was a different type of a
• 45:27
  spiritual portal that was open in my house because we come into
• 45:32
  agreement with what this demon was releasing upon our lives.
• 45:36
  And after one week, I was living now with this witch because she
• 45:40
  was training me and all of the stuff.
• 45:42
  So by that point, I was living with her in the middle of the
• 45:46
  night. My mom calls this witch.
• 45:48
  This was in 2008 before Halloween and she she called
• 45:55
  this witch, my mom called this witch and and told her bring
• 45:58
  Julie quick because something happened.
• 46:00
  So I didn't know what happened. The witch didn't want to tell
• 46:03
  me. She looks actually she looks
• 46:05
  super happy. So I thought, OK, so maybe
• 46:07
  there's nothing wrong. But when I arrived at the house,
• 46:10
  my mom was outside with my youngest brother.
• 46:13
  She was crying. She couldn't even speak and I
• 46:15
  was trying to like move her like hey, like what happened?
• 46:18
  And she was like shock. So I entered inside of the house
• 46:21
  and as soon as I went inside of the house, I felt this like I
• 46:25
  have never experienced that before, this spiritual
• 46:27
  atmosphere like darkness. Like I describe it as someone
• 46:31
  putting a blanket on top of you and you can walk like a heavy
• 46:35
  blanket. And I was just trying to go to
• 46:38
  my parents room. I didn't see my father.
• 46:41
  So I went outside of the house and I felt I was led to check
• 46:47
  next next to the house. We have like a storage room.
• 46:51
  So when I opened the door, I saw my father hung himself.
• 46:54
  He committed suicide. So eventually, at that moment,
• 46:59
  at that moment, I'm looking at my father that he committed
• 47:01
  suicide. He's dead.
• 47:03
  And at that point, I felt like I lost my mind, like the
• 47:07
  atmosphere in the house. And the police came, the
• 47:10
  psychiatrics came. It was just awful.
• 47:14
  I was confused. I was crying.
• 47:15
  Then my other brother came and he would just react to like
• 47:18
  angry and the atmosphere in the house.
• 47:21
  And then my mom tells me, I don't remember this, but we
• 47:24
  believe I was possessed by a spirit that the demon that was
• 47:28
  moving around the house because they found me.
• 47:31
  Possessed or you were? After he died, we stay in the
• 47:34
  house for one week and my mom tells me that they found me in
• 47:37
  the same place where my dad tried to commit.
• 47:39
  So it's how they found they found me there.
• 47:41
  I was hanging by my myself. I was completely possessed.
• 47:45
  I don't remember. So they have to pull my put me
• 47:48
  down. Thank God like I didn't die.
• 47:51
  But my mom tells me there was this demonic activity I used to
• 47:54
  see. Now my dad walking past I
• 47:57
  thought that he was there and I was like that is here that is
• 48:00
  here. It was this demonic activity.
• 48:02
  We were having nightmares, we were having these thoughts and
• 48:07
  and demonic. Now there was the Monica
• 48:09
  activity that demons that were in the house that we could see.
• 48:12
  But now I realized that there was my mum had a friend that she
• 48:19
  was a witch back in Colombia that they used to do their
• 48:23
  rituals together and all of these things.
• 48:25
  And on the day that my father died, she called my mom like
• 48:30
  desperate like why are you not answering the phone?
• 48:32
  Like what is going on? And she started to tell my mom.
• 48:36
  I felt like something dark was happening in your house.
• 48:39
  So I tried to astral project like like travel to your to your
• 48:42
  house. And but there was this dark
• 48:44
  cloth around your house and I couldn't enter because there was
• 48:47
  someone of high rank inside of the house.
• 48:50
  And then she she told my mom, I saw demons around your husband
• 48:55
  and they were pushing him to commit suicide.
• 48:58
  So that's when my mom started to cry and told her like, he
• 49:01
  committed suicide. He died today.
• 49:03
  And now this witch was warning my mom be careful with the other
• 49:08
  witch that Julie is living with because she actually is trying
• 49:12
  to give all of you as a sacrifice for her demon and she
• 49:16
  wants you all to die. Exactly yes.
• 49:19
  So now my mom realized at that point witchcraft is destroying
• 49:24
  my family. So one of the things that my
• 49:26
  mom, my mom did the straight away was repenting for
• 49:29
  witchcraft. So we left that house after one
• 49:32
  week because a spiritually we couldn't live there anymore.
• 49:36
  So we pack our things. The house was literally
• 49:38
  possessed. We pack our things and we went
• 49:40
  to live with my my aunt with her sister.
• 49:45
  And at that point my mom stopped talking to this witch.
• 49:48
  She didn't want to have any contact with her.
• 49:50
  And this witch was telling to the other friends like no as
• 49:53
  soon as she stays alone she's going to look for me.
• 49:56
  Like there was like this witch just wanted what we carry and
• 49:59
  wanted to get rid of us. It was just insane that the
• 50:02
  jealousy and my mom tells me that, you know, my spirit guy.
• 50:08
  So the demon that I was consecrated to was speaking to
• 50:12
  her, telling her commit suicide and kill all of your children.
• 50:16
  And there was these moments where my mom, you know, we were
• 50:19
  in the car and this demon was speaking to her and she almost
• 50:23
  jumped out of a Cliff with all of us.
• 50:25
  But then because she started to read Psalm 23 and Psalm 91, now
• 50:30
  she was hearing another voice telling her like, don't do it,
• 50:33
  don't do it. So there was like this battle.
• 50:35
  And then she will go in the house and she will hear these
• 50:38
  boys, you know, just put the gas and and just die.
• 50:41
  And, you know, there was like that battle.
• 50:43
  But you know, she believed that it it wasn't our time to die.
• 50:49
  Like she understood that at that point, this witchcraft and I'm
• 50:52
  not going to die because a demon is telling me now, at that
• 50:56
  point, I left my mom after one month because I was, I just, I
• 51:01
  was, I was full of anger. I was 17.
• 51:03
  I thought, you know what, my dad killed himself because of you.
• 51:07
  I was blaming my mom. I wasn't aware that I was
• 51:09
  actually, you know, the demonic activity, the witchcraft and
• 51:13
  what was happening. So I went to live alone.
• 51:15
  But by that point, I was now trying to commit suicide.
• 51:18
  I became an alcoholic. I even I got pregnant by that
• 51:21
  point too. And then actually I had an
• 51:24
  abortion. My mom actually forced me to
• 51:25
  have an abortion. And I was just in a really dark.
• 51:29
  I just feel like, you know what my life is?
• 51:32
  Why am I even alive? What's the point of life?
• 51:35
  Like my dad died. My dad was everything for me.
• 51:38
  And now I'm 17, no dad. I don't have a relationship with
• 51:42
  my mom. I hate my mom at this point.
• 51:45
  I'm trying to commit suicide. I'm trying to jump out of
• 51:48
  windows to kill myself. I'm trying to kill myself.
• 51:51
  I'm trying to have a lot of pills to die.
• 51:53
  I'm doing all of these things and then nothing is working.
• 51:56
  Like, why am I not dying? Like I actually want to die.
• 52:00
  And and then it wasn't until later on, after one year after
• 52:05
  that, that I just had an encounter with Jesus.
• 52:09
  I'm so excited to hear about that after all of the horror.
• 52:12
  Horror and darkness, and I can't wait for you to share that.
• 52:16
  I have to ask a couple questions about what you're explaining.
• 52:20
  I'm so sorry for the loss of your dad.
• 52:22
  It's devastating. And the consequence of the wages
• 52:27
  of sin are death. But the devil's real and he does
• 52:31
  tempt people. Not every murder and not every
• 52:33
  suicide is the result of demonic tempting.
• 52:35
  But according to the Exorcist we've had in our show and what I
• 52:38
  understand and the stories I've heard, many are, and it's real.
• 52:42
  This is a real battle. And of course, the woundedness
• 52:45
  of sin is is is a responsibility, too.
• 52:47
  And the original tempter for that was Satan in the Garden of
• 52:50
  Eden, as we know that in Genesis.
• 52:51
  So when you're talking about your mother seeing your dad
• 52:58
  murdered himself, was there any indication that he would do
• 53:03
  that? Was she completely blindsided by
• 53:05
  that? No, he he didn't have any mental
• 53:09
  health issues. He was out of all of us, he was
• 53:12
  the most stable person. But you know, something curious
• 53:15
  that I forgot to share is that before my dad die, I have this
• 53:20
  dream because I grew up having quite a lot of dreams.
• 53:23
  I believe in dreams and the Lord speaks to me a lot in dreams
• 53:26
  too. And I had this dream before he
• 53:28
  died that there was this bird that was coming to kill me.
• 53:33
  So he was this animal was trying to bite my head, but then my
• 53:37
  father came in and he did like that.
• 53:40
  And these animals were like kind of like beating and eating his
• 53:44
  head. And it wasn't actually until I
• 53:46
  became a Christian that I realized that there is in the
• 53:49
  Bible, you know, the story of the, of the Baker and the the
• 53:56
  man in that has the wine and Joseph interpreted dreams and he
• 54:00
  said, and the bakery is sharing that he that he had bread in
• 54:04
  here and these birds came and started to eat the head and then
• 54:07
  he died hung. So I realized at that point,
• 54:10
  like, wow, like I felt that there was kind of like a
• 54:15
  something was coming and it was coming for me because remember,
• 54:18
  like I was trying to commit suicide by for some reason, it
• 54:20
  went to my father because I left the house.
• 54:22
  I was living with his witch. So he went.
• 54:24
  The next person was my father, but he wasn't.
• 54:27
  He didn't have any mental health issues.
• 54:29
  He was emotionally super stable. I mean, the rest of us were the
• 54:33
  crazy ones. He was.
• 54:34
  Was he? He wasn't a Christian, though.
• 54:36
  He wasn't. He wasn't a Christian, he wasn't
• 54:38
  involved in witchcraft. He was just neutral.
• 54:41
  That's why it was so shocking for all of us because he was
• 54:45
  such a good person, super calm, never angry, super peaceful
• 54:52
  person. So how do you come into into
• 54:54
  that? So that's when we know like this
• 54:57
  was a spiritual activity because there's no way that my father
• 55:02
  would do that, especially after seeing me trying to commit
• 55:04
  suicide, him talking to me like, hey, look, this is not the way.
• 55:08
  Like don't worry, we are going to get out of this.
• 55:11
  Wow, what is so important to note here?
• 55:16
  And we were discussing this in her before we started filming.
• 55:18
  Here is that the devil doesn't know the future, only God does.
• 55:24
  And that the devil will try to cast evil unto your future.
• 55:27
  Of course he wants you to go to hell.
• 55:28
  He wants everybody to go to hell with him and reject God and the
• 55:32
  devil. Also, God doesn't give the devil
• 55:34
  the power in this life to completely take you over to the
• 55:37
  point where you can't have any decision making whatsoever.
• 55:41
  We still have a will to choose, and you can still invite in so
• 55:45
  much demonic oppression that you lose, lose your will to the
• 55:49
  devil in that sense. But you're still losing your
• 55:51
  will. You're still giving up giving it
• 55:53
  up to some degree, right? Because we have the freedom to
• 55:56
  not sin, right? That is the choice that he's
• 55:58
  given each of us. But with your dad, it sounds
• 56:00
  like he was given such a profound temptation in his last
• 56:05
  moments that he gave him. He did give himself up to it
• 56:08
  because the devil can't directly kill your dad.
• 56:11
  If the devil could directly kill us, he would have killed all of
• 56:13
  us, right? He wants us all to die, every
• 56:15
  single one of us. But he can give us extreme
• 56:17
  temptations if he, you know, chooses.
• 56:20
  And if we don't have the power of the Holy Spirit, the
• 56:22
  protection of our Lord, and we give in to those temptations,
• 56:25
  that's our choice, right? So it sounds like in his last
• 56:27
  moments in some way. I mean, I would love to get an
• 56:30
  exorcist take on this if he's they've experienced things
• 56:33
  similar where in extreme cases there can be such incredible
• 56:36
  temptation that something very evil is done.
• 56:39
  And he was surrounded in his household by witchcraft.
• 56:41
  His wife, he didn't tell his wife to stop.
• 56:44
  I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, he hadn't taken authority
• 56:47
  spiritually for his home. So his home was already invaded
• 56:49
  with this. And I think something that I
• 56:52
  have learned is spiritually is that there has to be agreement.
• 56:56
  So nothing happens if you don't agree.
• 56:59
  So for example, when witches are going to the witchcraft on
• 57:03
  someone, they go to you looking for information, but you need to
• 57:07
  agree with the witch. So the moment that this demon is
• 57:10
  started to kind of like declaring to the atmosphere
• 57:13
  someone in your family is going to lie, well, in one week we
• 57:16
  partner with a lie. We kind of like open the door
• 57:20
  for that to happen. And eventually when the other
• 57:24
  which saw all of these demons, she told my mom, I saw that the
• 57:27
  demons speaking, you know, to your husband, telling him to do
• 57:31
  this eventually. That's why there's a lot of
• 57:33
  people that commit suicide that kill other people because
• 57:37
  they're hearing all of these things.
• 57:39
  So eventually you have the power to say no, but you have the also
• 57:43
  you also sometimes give give up into having those thoughts and
• 57:48
  you know, doing the thing that these demons are telling you.
• 57:51
  So it's some sort of like agreement, a spiritually there
• 57:54
  has to be agreement. That's why also the Bible says
• 57:56
  that Jesus come and knocks at the door.
• 57:59
  If you open, he will enter that agreement.
• 58:02
  He doesn't force himself. You have to 1st give him
• 58:04
  permission to come to you. The same happens in the
• 58:08
  spiritual realm. There has to be agreement, some
• 58:11
  sort of agreement with the demons, with what they are
• 58:14
  saying, with what is happening. And that's how witchcraft
• 58:18
  operates. For example, when people go to
• 58:20
  witches to know about their future.
• 58:22
  If a witch is telling you, hey, you're going to have an accident
• 58:26
  the moment that you say, Oh yes, oh, how do I stop it?
• 58:29
  You already agree. So they're already now demons
• 58:32
  coming into force to. Help it happen.
• 58:35
  Exactly. And that's how it happens.
• 58:38
  And that's how. So it's like if you accept a
• 58:41
  curse on your life, like, you know, you're never going to
• 58:44
  succeed. You're never going to.
• 58:45
  Exactly. You're never going to do
• 58:47
  anything good. You're worthless.
• 58:48
  And you're like, yeah, I am worthless.
• 58:49
  I'm never going to succeed. Pondering with.
• 58:51
  Words and your assent to that has power.
• 58:53
  And that's why we have to rebuke those evil thoughts and ideas
• 58:57
  about ourselves or others in the name of Jesus.
• 59:00
  Like no, I am not made for nothing.
• 59:02
  No, I'm made for good and love and and reject the evil thoughts
• 59:06
  that we're tempted to. And I think there's so many evil
• 59:09
  thoughts we're tempted to and and people in our culture are
• 59:11
  tempted to daily. That's why I believe also the
• 59:14
  Bible says that we have to renew our mind constantly because I
• 59:18
  believe the battle starts in our mind.
• 59:21
  The battle, all the battles start with one thought in our
• 59:25
  mind. That's the spiritual warfare
• 59:26
  that we have to fight is in our minds.
• 59:29
  So I believe that's why it's so important to fill our ourselves
• 59:32
  with the word of God, to renew our mind through the word of
• 59:36
  God. And that's going to bring
• 59:38
  protection. So when the enemy tries to come,
• 59:41
  you're already, you already have godly strongholds around you
• 59:44
  that are going to protect you from, you know, these thoughts
• 59:47
  and all of these. Amen from the enemy.
• 59:49
  I'm excited to hear about your encounter with our Lord Jesus.
• 59:52
  But before that, one other question about your mother, she
• 59:56
  has just effectively sacrificed her husband without fully
• 1:00:01
  realizing that's what she was doing.
• 1:00:02
  But she was giving so much of herself over to the demonic.
• 1:00:07
  She loved the power of it. You were involved.
• 1:00:10
  But then she you said she repented.
• 1:00:12
  How did she know how to repent? And how did her life look
• 1:00:16
  differently after the death of your father?
• 1:00:19
  So she eventually at that point, after we went to live with my
• 1:00:24
  aunt, she realized that witchcraft killed my husband and
• 1:00:28
  we opened the door. So she cut ties with witchcraft
• 1:00:32
  straight away. Eventually, she did.
• 1:00:34
  What did that look like to cut ties with?
• 1:00:36
  Witchcraft. So she stopped practicing
• 1:00:37
  witchcraft. She stopped going to the other
• 1:00:41
  witches and all of that stuff. So she stopped that.
• 1:00:44
  She stopped, actually, no, sorry.
• 1:00:46
  She stopped doing the black magic because she still thought
• 1:00:49
  that white magic was OK, but at that point the.
• 1:00:53
  Cleanses and the lemons exactly because.
• 1:00:55
  Then later on when my father died, we a few months later, we
• 1:00:58
  ended up going back to Colombia and that's when we went to a
• 1:01:03
  river to do a cleansing with the other wheat.
• 1:01:05
  And so we were still like doing that but with black magic.
• 1:01:09
  She had like this conviction that okay, witchcraft is wrong,
• 1:01:11
  like this type of witchcraft is wrong.
• 1:01:13
  So she cut ties with that, but now she's also reduced a lot in
• 1:01:19
  doing witchcraft. Like I only remember that going
• 1:01:22
  in in Colombia to the river to do the cleansing.
• 1:01:25
  But after that, she wasn't doing any type of witchcraft.
• 1:01:29
  And that's when she started to now read Psalm 23 and Psalm 91
• 1:01:34
  because she believed, we believed that there was some
• 1:01:36
  sort of protection in those prayers.
• 1:01:40
  And I feel like that's what actually saved her from
• 1:01:42
  committing suicide at the time of this demon telling her.
• 1:01:47
  But eventually after that, you know, she went through a
• 1:01:51
  different road and doing other things that wasn't witchcraft.
• 1:01:56
  But I feel like at that moment like she highlight that
• 1:01:58
  conviction that actually witchcraft is wrong.
• 1:02:01
  Is she practicing faith like the Christian faith now?
• 1:02:03
  Yeah, she became a Christian, actually years later after I
• 1:02:09
  became a Christian because I have to, you know, pray for my
• 1:02:12
  mom and fast for her. And I was living with her with
• 1:02:15
  all of the stuff that she was doing.
• 1:02:17
  And I truly believe the Lord could save her and she became a
• 1:02:20
  Christian. So she had still been dabbling,
• 1:02:22
  though, in the white, the white magic that was just so baked
• 1:02:25
  into the culture. It sounds like the difference
• 1:02:27
  because I had asked you earlier with your conversion, did you
• 1:02:30
  realize that you grew up doing witchcraft?
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  And he said, not really. I didn't realize it until years
• 1:02:33
  into my conversion. And I think what you're
• 1:02:35
  referring to there is the white magic, right?
• 1:02:37
  You thought that this is just normal.
• 1:02:39
  We just, we wash in the river. We have the cinnamon like it
• 1:02:42
  wasn't that this is mnemonic activity.
• 1:02:45
  Yes, and that's exactly what you know what I believe my mom, like
• 1:02:50
  she wasn't practicing witchcraft like before, like she wasn't
• 1:02:53
  doing all of the rituals or the cleanses.
• 1:02:55
  That was, I believe that was the last time that I saw her
• 1:02:58
  actually doing any type of magic, which it was when we went
• 1:03:01
  to Colombia after my father died to do the cleansing because we
• 1:03:04
  believe like there's something on us.
• 1:03:07
  And that was the last time I don't after that she started to
• 1:03:10
  do all the crazy stuff I have to say.
• 1:03:13
  Like she just, you know, became an alcoholic and we started to
• 1:03:17
  drink and is starting to be involved with I, I have never
• 1:03:21
  shared this, but she started to get involved.
• 1:03:23
  Now we drug dealers and doing like, you know, crazy stuff that
• 1:03:27
  I have never shared. But but no, the witchcraft.
• 1:03:30
  She left it to the side so. But she was involved in
• 1:03:33
  destructive things even then. After that, how are your how are
• 1:03:38
  your brothers? What were they doing during this
• 1:03:40
  time? If you can share.
• 1:03:41
  Yeah, So my youngest brother, he was 2.
• 1:03:43
  So eventually he didn't, he didn't understand what was going
• 1:03:47
  on. My older brother, he at that
• 1:03:50
  point when my dad died, he was, he was 11.
• 1:03:53
  He was 11/12. He just fell into drugs, like a
• 1:03:58
  lot of drugs, destructive relationships himself.
• 1:04:04
  He got into guns and you know, the Lord has preserved his life
• 1:04:08
  a lot because he's been, you know, so close to that so many
• 1:04:12
  times. But I feel like the, the enemy,
• 1:04:15
  you know, told him also like he's, he's kind of like he's the
• 1:04:20
  gift that he carried because he's kind of like an evangelist
• 1:04:23
  and he loves to share about Jesus.
• 1:04:25
  But for, for years he was a drug addict.
• 1:04:27
  He was a homeless, he was in the straight.
• 1:04:30
  He was, you know, doing all of that.
• 1:04:31
  And even until this point, like the Lord is still working in
• 1:04:35
  him. He's not a drug addict anymore,
• 1:04:37
  thank God. And, you know, like, so he's
• 1:04:40
  going through a lot of therapy and counselling and to still
• 1:04:44
  trying to heal that part because he was extremely traumatic for
• 1:04:47
  him as a 11 year old. I mean, I was a little bit
• 1:04:50
  older, but for him it was it was quite shocking.
• 1:04:52
  I mean, that experience shaped his whole life.
• 1:04:56
  But he's in a good place now, thank God.
• 1:04:58
  Yeah. And he became a Christian.
• 1:05:01
  Yeah, later, yeah. Wow, after you.
• 1:05:05
  OK, so let's hear how you met Jesus.
• 1:05:07
  Now this is my favorite my. Favorite part?
• 1:05:09
  This is my favorite part. So you know, after that year
• 1:05:14
  that I left my mom and all of that, I went to visit my mom.
• 1:05:19
  I was living in a different city in Spain and someone invited us
• 1:05:24
  to a church. So we went to this place.
• 1:05:27
  But they were basically like telling us the future, like
• 1:05:31
  professing stuff. So my mom is she got so angry
• 1:05:35
  and she started to scream to everyone.
• 1:05:36
  You are telling which crowd? Why are you, you know, asking,
• 1:05:39
  telling us about the future We don't like she was so angry.
• 1:05:43
  So we left the place. But now I left with a feeling of
• 1:05:46
  like, oh, maybe I should come back to church.
• 1:05:48
  Maybe I should go to church. So I started to ask my friends
• 1:05:51
  like, hey, can you please tell me of a church that I could go
• 1:05:56
  to? So someone send me the address
• 1:05:57
  of this church and I remember I was excited but it scared at the
• 1:06:03
  same time. I have this feeling of I'm going
• 1:06:05
  to find something in this place but at the same time I'm like,
• 1:06:09
  you know what if it's not what you are thinking?
• 1:06:11
  And all of this fear eventually because of what I was carrying
• 1:06:15
  demonically to because I continued to the witchcraft like
• 1:06:18
  my mom may be still, but I was still doing things.
• 1:06:21
  And I remember I was going to this church and I was just
• 1:06:24
  walking towards the church and inside of me I was feeling I'm
• 1:06:28
  going to encounter something in here, like something spiritual
• 1:06:30
  is happening, is going to happen in this place.
• 1:06:33
  And I remember I enter. But as soon as I entered and I
• 1:06:38
  pulled, literally gave the first step towards entering the
• 1:06:43
  church, this presence fell upon me.
• 1:06:47
  So I have never experienced that in my life.
• 1:06:51
  Never. I didn't know what it was the
• 1:06:53
  presence of God. I didn't know that you could cry
• 1:06:56
  when you feel the Holy Spirit. I didn't know that there was
• 1:07:00
  this love that you could feel, that it will feel you and change
• 1:07:04
  your life. I didn't know any of the all of
• 1:07:05
  my life. I grew up feeling darkness,
• 1:07:07
  feeling sadness, depression and dark and fear.
• 1:07:11
  So I didn't experience that. So when I entered and I felt
• 1:07:14
  this cloth around me of His presence and I started to cry.
• 1:07:20
  I fell on the floor and I was crying and this presence was so
• 1:07:24
  strong on me, I was shaking and I could fear for the first time
• 1:07:28
  this love, a supernatural love that I have never experienced.
• 1:07:33
  And the father of the house came of the church came and he, he
• 1:07:38
  hugged me and he said, welcome home, daughter.
• 1:07:42
  And I started to cry even more because I was like, what?
• 1:07:45
  You mean welcome home? Why is God welcoming home?
• 1:07:48
  I have never been in his house before.
• 1:07:50
  But then I remember that's when I had to have these visions.
• 1:07:53
  When I was young, the Lord started to remind me that even
• 1:07:57
  though my great grandmother was doing the witchcraft and I was,
• 1:08:00
  you know, been put in this circle of fire, but my aunt, my
• 1:08:03
  mum's sister, the other sister was taking me to church.
• 1:08:06
  So she was taking me to church. And eventually when you are
• 1:08:09
  going to church, it's kind of like you are entering into the
• 1:08:12
  presence of God. And I realized at that point,
• 1:08:15
  you know, even from that age, that's why I was having these
• 1:08:18
  demonic encounters, the angelic encounters, because there was
• 1:08:21
  like, there was, you know, there was this fight for my life,
• 1:08:26
  demons and then angels. And, you know, and that moment I
• 1:08:29
  realized, you know, I'm, I'm coming back home.
• 1:08:33
  This is what I'm supposed to be. And at that point, I, you know,
• 1:08:36
  I was filled with this love, with this forgiveness.
• 1:08:40
  Eventually I was carrying so much also because of the
• 1:08:42
  abortion. And, you know, at that point I
• 1:08:44
  was also blaming myself for my, what happened to my dad because
• 1:08:49
  I was thinking maybe I should have spoken to him more and find
• 1:08:51
  out he was going through something.
• 1:08:52
  Maybe I should have been there more for him.
• 1:08:55
  And I was carrying so much as a 18 year old.
• 1:08:59
  And at that moment, one encounter changed my life
• 1:09:04
  forever. And at that moment I started to
• 1:09:07
  be more hungry to learn more about Jesus and reading the
• 1:09:09
  Bible and going to church and this, you know, this experience,
• 1:09:14
  like I have experienced my whole life, darkness in my physical
• 1:09:18
  body. And my first encounter with my
• 1:09:20
  Lord was physical. I could feel his presence and
• 1:09:24
  this shaking and this love and this.
• 1:09:26
  And I have never experienced that.
• 1:09:27
  Even like I have been a Christian for 15 years.
• 1:09:29
  I have, I haven't experienced that in all of these 15 years,
• 1:09:33
  that strong experience that I had that day.
• 1:09:36
  And I believe my encounter was, you know, I have heard that a
• 1:09:40
  lot of people that come out of the cold and Satanism of
• 1:09:44
  witchcraft, they actually want them become Christians.
• 1:09:46
  They have demons chasing them. And all of this encounter for
• 1:09:49
  me, I felt that the Lord knew what I needed.
• 1:09:52
  I felt like I had enough of witchcraft.
• 1:09:55
  I had enough of darkness. I had enough of sadness and the
• 1:09:58
  Lord just, I felt like he put me in a bubble for a few years to
• 1:10:02
  get to know him, to get to know his presence, intimacy with the
• 1:10:05
  Holy Spirit, all of that stuff. And then after that, that's when
• 1:10:09
  I started to go through deep deliverance and, you know,
• 1:10:12
  breaking all of these agreements with this demonic activity and
• 1:10:16
  this demons so. How beautiful I, I, I, I've
• 1:10:22
  heard on the show we've had others to share about that
• 1:10:25
  moment of feeling God's love for the first time and how
• 1:10:29
  overwhelming and otherworldly it is.
• 1:10:32
  Like there's nothing to compare. And that moment of knowing here
• 1:10:35
  I am God and he is in you, and he loves you, and you're willing
• 1:10:39
  to give everything for him. And you know, you said you
• 1:10:43
  remembered, you look back on your childhood because as we get
• 1:10:45
  older, we understand our childhood's better and we start
• 1:10:48
  to see new things we hadn't noticed before.
• 1:10:50
  And your aunt was Christian and she's taking you to church.
• 1:10:55
  And I know we were talking before this and you shared how
• 1:10:57
  you had even been baptized as a child.
• 1:11:00
  As a baby. As a baby and, and, and that you
• 1:11:04
  know that's real. You know that grace is real.
• 1:11:07
  Even if we don't fully, we can't fully connect to it later or we
• 1:11:11
  go astray, it still is a mark on our souls.
• 1:11:15
  And the Lord doesn't forget his children.
• 1:11:17
  And this is for the UN baptized too, because the Lord you still,
• 1:11:20
  God wants you to be his child, even the UN baptized.
• 1:11:22
  But there's a special mark, obviously with baptism.
• 1:11:24
  This is the the work of God. And so tell me about when you
• 1:11:29
  were in this bubble. You called it like a protective
• 1:11:31
  bubble where you're just learning about who Jesus is.
• 1:11:34
  And then you said after a few years in your faith, you became
• 1:11:38
  more in tune to, Oh, there's some serious demonic activity
• 1:11:41
  that I was part of as a child or in my childhood and was there,
• 1:11:46
  What were the processes that then went into play?
• 1:11:50
  You mentioned the word deliverance.
• 1:11:51
  You do deliverance ministry and and repentance.
• 1:11:53
  What did that look like? So those years, so eventually,
• 1:11:57
  because I came out of the occult, I have now this feeling
• 1:11:59
  of, oh, I want to fight darkness.
• 1:12:01
  I want to, you know, I have this thing inside of me and I started
• 1:12:04
  to study demonology, but I felt this strong conviction on the
• 1:12:07
  Holy Spirit telling me close that book.
• 1:12:10
  That's not, you know, already too much about that, like that's
• 1:12:13
  not for now. And that's where I felt that for
• 1:12:16
  years I wasn't allowed to, you know, navigate anything in the
• 1:12:20
  occult, anything darkness, deliverance, nothing.
• 1:12:23
  And for years I was literally learning about the Holy Spirit,
• 1:12:28
  learning about Jesus. I was on fire.
• 1:12:30
  I was. Reading the Bible.
• 1:12:30
  Exactly. I didn't have in that time, I
• 1:12:33
  have to say any demonic encounter, any anything.
• 1:12:36
  I felt like I was being protected.
• 1:12:38
  But it wasn't until I got married.
• 1:12:41
  So I have been married now for 12 years.
• 1:12:43
  It wasn't until I got married and I got pregnant that suddenly
• 1:12:48
  I feel like, oh, I come out of the bubble and now something's
• 1:12:52
  happening in my house. Now things are moving and I'm
• 1:12:55
  feeling again demon touching my legs and I'm not like, what's
• 1:12:58
  going on? I am a Christian now.
• 1:13:00
  But then I realized that because I was pregnant, if I didn't
• 1:13:05
  break all of the agreements, all of the covenants, everything
• 1:13:09
  that I was carrying, it was it was going to pass to my child.
• 1:13:13
  And the reason why I know this is because so my husband, he
• 1:13:16
  didn't know anything about my witchcraft background because I
• 1:13:19
  never share it with him. He didn't know even.
• 1:13:22
  Even the death of your dad by. He knew.
• 1:13:24
  He knew that he committed suicide, but I never share.
• 1:13:27
  That anything that your mother has done.
• 1:13:29
  Never and. So I was, I'm just curious why?
• 1:13:33
  I mean, I can guess that why, but what was What was it that?
• 1:13:36
  What was behind you not sharing that with your?
• 1:13:38
  Husband. I feel like embarrassed, I feel
• 1:13:41
  a shame. I feel like I don't want to
• 1:13:43
  share this part of my life. It just feels like dirty, like I
• 1:13:46
  don't care even. Like I started to share my
• 1:13:48
  testimony like 3-4 years ago and I've been a Christian for years
• 1:13:52
  and it's just like, I feel like, no, I just want to forget about
• 1:13:54
  this. Like this is not important.
• 1:13:56
  Well, his blood. Covers me.
• 1:13:57
  That's my past. Exactly, exactly.
• 1:14:00
  But he wasn't. So I never share with my husband
• 1:14:03
  anything he didn't. Know any abortion He.
• 1:14:04
  Didn't nothing, nothing, nothing.
• 1:14:05
  He didn't know anything and there was this I was pregnant
• 1:14:09
  now and I remember we were in the park, we were in London and
• 1:14:13
  he was like oh, I had a weird dream last night.
• 1:14:16
  He wasn't Christian, he wasn't a Libra, he wasn't anything.
• 1:14:18
  But I used to share with him dreams because dreams for me I
• 1:14:21
  feel like that's one of the gods languages.
• 1:14:24
  And he told me I had this weird dream last night and I was like
• 1:14:28
  OK share, share with me, tell me.
• 1:14:30
  And he said, I saw this indigenous coming in my dream
• 1:14:36
  asking for permission to me to come to you.
• 1:14:41
  And in the dream, he was confused.
• 1:14:42
  He was like, no, she's my wife. Like you don't have authority to
• 1:14:46
  come over here. So my husband was like, no.
• 1:14:49
  And in that moment I was like, OK, can you please describe how
• 1:14:51
  this indigenous looks like? And he was like, oh, yes, he
• 1:14:54
  looks like this. And I realized that's that was
• 1:14:56
  my spirit guy. So eventually at that point I'm
• 1:14:59
  sharing with him everything about the consecration,
• 1:15:03
  everything I call my mom because now my mom was a Christian and
• 1:15:06
  now my mom, she was starting to have deliverance on herself.
• 1:15:09
  Like she understood that there was things that they have to be
• 1:15:12
  broken. And I said to her, this spirit
• 1:15:13
  that is coming to my husband to ask for permission, That's when
• 1:15:17
  I understood that demons understand authority.
• 1:15:20
  Now my authority wasn't my mom because it was my husband.
• 1:15:23
  Now he's my head now. So he was coming to my husband
• 1:15:27
  asking for permission and my husband didn't have idea of who
• 1:15:31
  this person, this demon was or why it was asking him for
• 1:15:34
  permission because before it was my mom, the demon asked my mom
• 1:15:37
  for permission to come to me, to consecrate me, to come to me.
• 1:15:41
  My mom agreed. But now when I became a
• 1:15:44
  Christian, he was trying to come through my husband.
• 1:15:46
  There was a steal this legal right?
• 1:15:48
  So at that point I realized, OK, I'm pregnant, I need to, to have
• 1:15:53
  deliverance, I need to repent. I need to, and that's when I
• 1:15:56
  started to repent for what I did, for what we were involved,
• 1:16:01
  for what my, my mom was doing. And you know, I also had like an
• 1:16:05
  object that it was kind of like a coin that represented my
• 1:16:09
  covenant with this spirit guide. That's why when you get married,
• 1:16:12
  you have a ring because it's a covenant, physically covenant
• 1:16:15
  between you and your spouse. So I realized I have these
• 1:16:19
  objects in my house. I still that represent my
• 1:16:21
  covenant with this demon and he's giving him legal right
• 1:16:24
  through those things to come. So we started to throw all of
• 1:16:27
  these things away, everything that was related with
• 1:16:29
  witchcraft, with your cold, all of that stuff that will give
• 1:16:32
  access and yet repenting, renouncing, declaring the blood
• 1:16:37
  of Jesus and and you know, it took a while.
• 1:16:41
  Like it wasn't just one session or one thing.
• 1:16:44
  Like even now, like the Lord still show me things and I
• 1:16:47
  repent and I'm like, OK, Father, Holy Spirit, like Jesus, cleanse
• 1:16:50
  me with your blood and purify me like because I feel like for me.
• 1:16:54
  And I say this deliverance is daily and the reason why is
• 1:16:57
  daily is because you know, a postal Paul said I die daily,
• 1:17:02
  which means that for us, we need to realize that we need to die
• 1:17:05
  daily. We need to be transformed daily.
• 1:17:07
  There's every day you come into like sin.
• 1:17:11
  Maybe you offended someone. Maybe you're talking ways that
• 1:17:13
  you should and maybe you did something that you shouldn't
• 1:17:16
  have done. So every day we have to go to
• 1:17:18
  the cross of Jesus Christ and say like Lord, like cleanse me
• 1:17:21
  today, Lord, purify me. Lord, forgive me.
• 1:17:23
  I am aware that I am a Sinner, but through you, you are
• 1:17:26
  cleansing me. And in that, I mean, when you do
• 1:17:30
  that, you become daily looking more like Jesus Christ.
• 1:17:34
  Every day you are being transformed to the image of
• 1:17:37
  Christ. That's why for me, deliverance
• 1:17:39
  and repentance and forgiveness is so important, because if you
• 1:17:42
  want to look like Jesus, then, hey, there has to be
• 1:17:45
  transformation. And yeah, so that's how it how
• 1:17:49
  it happened. When did your husband become
• 1:17:52
  Christian? So my husband became a Christian
• 1:17:55
  actually two years ago. So we have been together for 12
• 1:17:58
  years. So throughout all of this time.
• 1:18:02
  So after I had my first born and you know, I became even more
• 1:18:06
  consecrated to the Lord and you know, like, OK Lord, like I want
• 1:18:10
  my kids to grow up in your ways. I don't want to give them to the
• 1:18:13
  enemy. I know what it is to be to be
• 1:18:16
  given to the enemy. But I want my kids to grow up in
• 1:18:19
  your ways. So I started to, you know,
• 1:18:22
  working holiness and consecration.
• 1:18:24
  I started to, OK, Lord, what it is to live a Christian life like
• 1:18:29
  you talk about. How can I represent you here on
• 1:18:32
  earth? Because I believe he's not just
• 1:18:35
  going to church. He's not just clapping hands and
• 1:18:37
  that's it. And then you go on Sunday, but
• 1:18:40
  then Monday to Saturday you are singing and you're completely a
• 1:18:42
  different person. And that's when I started to,
• 1:18:45
  you know, the Bible says go and make disciples, go and preach
• 1:18:49
  the gospel, go and talk about me, go out, heal the sick and do
• 1:18:52
  these things. So I started to do that.
• 1:18:53
  My husband didn't like it. My husband didn't like it
• 1:18:57
  because in the middle of the street, I will stop people that
• 1:18:59
  I will start to talk to them about Jesus or pray for them.
• 1:19:02
  And my husband just, he just felt embarrassed.
• 1:19:05
  But now when you ask him what pulled you close to Christ, he
• 1:19:09
  says it was my wife's testimony seeing her doing the Lord's
• 1:19:13
  work. It was what made me question
• 1:19:17
  maybe there's something because I see her walking in the power
• 1:19:21
  of the Holy Spirit. I see her praying for our kids.
• 1:19:24
  I see her having dreams that are becoming real and the Lord is
• 1:19:27
  talking to her like, so he started to realize there's
• 1:19:30
  something and he got his his life to Christ.
• 1:19:33
  And now he supports me ministry. He prays for me now he takes
• 1:19:37
  care of the kids when I'm doing ministry.
• 1:19:38
  So it's like now it's like we are a team.
• 1:19:41
  But now I also understand that. And he's my authority.
• 1:19:44
  He is my head, he is my cover. And I understand that too now
• 1:19:48
  because before I understood there is a spiritual rank in,
• 1:19:52
  you know, this spiritual realm. But now I understand that my
• 1:19:55
  husband is my authority and my COVID and he prays for me and he
• 1:19:59
  anoints me. And yeah.
• 1:20:01
  Amen. Well, it is the I think it's AI.
• 1:20:03
  Don't remember which passage it is, but that the unbelieving
• 1:20:07
  spouse it can be. Covered by the.
• 1:20:08
  Believing by the believing spouse and you know, I am
• 1:20:13
  curious. I've got to ask how you as a
• 1:20:15
  believing wife who is trying to live the Holy Spirit in your
• 1:20:20
  daily life, you're married to an unbelieving husband who
• 1:20:23
  thankfully was still going to reject the weirdo demon in his
• 1:20:26
  dream. Be like, no, she's my wife, not
• 1:20:27
  yours. I mean, so he was like a man who
• 1:20:29
  like understood the natural order, at least of like, I'm not
• 1:20:32
  going to give up my wife to demons and weirdos.
• 1:20:34
  Like I'm going to be faithful to my wife.
• 1:20:36
  She's faithful to me. We're a marriage.
• 1:20:38
  So he understood what marriage was.
• 1:20:39
  He understood about that, but he didn't have the fullness, right?
• 1:20:42
  He didn't understand. He didn't have the gift of faith
• 1:20:45
  yet. So how did you navigate being
• 1:20:47
  submission to your husband as a wife to a husband who sounded
• 1:20:51
  like he's a good man, but he wasn't a believing man yet?
• 1:20:54
  I was actually going to divorce him when I had my first born and
• 1:20:58
  he was like around 2. I told my mom I'm going to
• 1:21:00
  divorce him because I am a Christian and he's no and I want
• 1:21:03
  to live a godly life and I want to, you know, go the Lord do the
• 1:21:07
  Lord's will and he doesn't. So I'm going to divorce.
• 1:21:09
  You know, my mom told me you're not going to divorce him.
• 1:21:11
  That's the husband that you go, you're going to pray for him.
• 1:21:14
  You're going to. Fight for him and.
• 1:21:17
  That's when I was like, so hungry with God, like God, like,
• 1:21:19
  I want to serve you like, and the Lord told me, but no one is
• 1:21:22
  stopping you. Like, why are you not serving
• 1:21:25
  me? And that's when he took me to
• 1:21:27
  that passage in in Corinthians that the, the believer, the
• 1:21:31
  believer sanctifies the unbeliever's spouse and then the
• 1:21:36
  children are sanctified to through the believer in the
• 1:21:39
  house. So that's when I understood,
• 1:21:41
  wait a minute. So I am sanctifying my whole
• 1:21:45
  house and my husband, which means that I'm don't have to
• 1:21:49
  divorce and I have to just walk in the power of the whole.
• 1:21:51
  It was hard. I'm not going to deny because
• 1:21:54
  sometimes when I was going to church, he didn't want to go or
• 1:21:57
  he would just go and drop me. Sometimes when I was telling my
• 1:21:59
  husband like I want to raise my kids in this way, he wouldn't
• 1:22:02
  agree. So eventually there was a lot of
• 1:22:04
  debates. Plus he loves to speak on the
• 1:22:06
  bait. So I would sit with him.
• 1:22:08
  I hate debating if I'm honest with you.
• 1:22:11
  And he will sit with me and trying to yeah, no, but no, this
• 1:22:14
  is it. And I need to see the reality.
• 1:22:16
  And this is not true, you know. And one day the Holy Spirit told
• 1:22:20
  me, I don't need you to defend me.
• 1:22:22
  I need you to give him the revenge of love, give him grace.
• 1:22:26
  And that's when I was like, I told him, I don't want to fight
• 1:22:30
  with you about my Jesus in this house.
• 1:22:34
  I don't want to debate. I don't want to argue about why
• 1:22:37
  you're not a Christian because I used to argue with him why you
• 1:22:39
  don't behave like this, why you don't do a lot of these things
• 1:22:41
  are a lot of women that the spouse are not Christian do like
• 1:22:45
  kind of like making them feel guilty.
• 1:22:47
  It's not even that they're not a Christian, it's that they're not
• 1:22:49
  Christian enough. Is that the way?
• 1:22:51
  I'm more spiritual than you and I'm doing this, and I need you
• 1:22:54
  to do this. I need you to like you need to
• 1:22:56
  lead more. And so we start, instead of
• 1:22:58
  actually submitting to the Holy Spirit in our marriage, we are
• 1:23:01
  lecturing our sweet husband. And it's it is not the work of
• 1:23:07
  God to do that. Exactly.
• 1:23:09
  So in that moment, this conviction came to me and I was
• 1:23:12
  like, OK, I'm not going to argue anymore.
• 1:23:14
  I'm not going to point fingers at him.
• 1:23:16
  And I'm going to tell him that I'm going to divorce him
• 1:23:18
  anymore. And I embrace him as he is.
• 1:23:22
  So now that's when I started to do, you know, the Lord's will
• 1:23:26
  and, you know, praying for people.
• 1:23:28
  And I was on fire for gold and evangelizing and doing these
• 1:23:31
  different things. And when he will see me and he
• 1:23:34
  will tell me, don't do that. I won't make it clear like, hey,
• 1:23:37
  I love you, I honor you and I respect you.
• 1:23:40
  But if I feel like the Holy Spirit is telling me to pray for
• 1:23:42
  someone, I'm going to the way. And you know, I believe in
• 1:23:46
  submission too. But there were sometimes where I
• 1:23:48
  believe the Lord will celebrate to do something.
• 1:23:50
  And I was like, look, I love you so much, but I'm going to the
• 1:23:52
  way. And he never like opposed like
• 1:23:54
  that much like I know other women have a lot of fights in
• 1:23:57
  the marriage because their husband completely opposed and
• 1:23:59
  his warfare. It wasn't like that with me,
• 1:24:03
  thank God. But I still have, you know, my
• 1:24:05
  fights. But you know, now he is a
• 1:24:08
  Christian. He is a man of God.
• 1:24:10
  Now I'm, I'm so happy to submit to him.
• 1:24:12
  I'm so happy that he is my leader.
• 1:24:14
  I'm so happy that I don't see like any issues.
• 1:24:17
  You know when it says that, why submit to your spouse?
• 1:24:20
  A lot of women take it as an offence.
• 1:24:22
  Like why do I need to submit? Let me tell you why.
• 1:24:24
  Because there is protection, because when you submit to your
• 1:24:28
  spouse, that is protection. And now I, I, I love to be his
• 1:24:32
  wife. And when he prays for me and
• 1:24:34
  when I see him praying for our children and he understand now
• 1:24:37
  that he is the head of the house, that he is the leader of
• 1:24:41
  the house. And, you know, and he tries to
• 1:24:43
  lead us in, lead us in the best way that he can.
• 1:24:46
  Beautiful. What did submission to him look
• 1:24:49
  like? He kind of described it a little
• 1:24:50
  bit already, but did submission to him look like before he was a
• 1:24:53
  believer? So I stopped arguing with him
• 1:24:56
  and fighting with him and respect.
• 1:24:58
  You should respect. Exactly.
• 1:24:59
  I stopped like pointing fingers at him and telling him things
• 1:25:03
  and names and stuff like that. And I started to see him the way
• 1:25:07
  that God saw him because I started to like ask God like,
• 1:25:10
  OK, who is he then to you? And the Lord started to reveal
• 1:25:14
  to me, this is how I see your husband.
• 1:25:17
  This is how you need to treat him.
• 1:25:19
  So I started, yes, the respect eventually when he came to like
• 1:25:23
  praying for people, I'm like, hey, like I, I honour you.
• 1:25:25
  But I feel like the Holy Spirit is telling me to do this.
• 1:25:28
  And you know, when he started to realize that that the Holy
• 1:25:31
  Spirit was moving through me, he stopped like stopping me, and he
• 1:25:35
  stopped trying to contain his wife.
• 1:25:37
  He respected you. Exactly because he was like, OK,
• 1:25:40
  I don't believe, but I see that, you know that there's something
• 1:25:45
  here. So I'm going to still allow you
• 1:25:46
  to go and do it. And and for years, you, you
• 1:25:50
  know, me doing ministry. He wasn't a believer openly, but
• 1:25:53
  he will still support me because he saw that there was something.
• 1:25:58
  So before it was that it was respect.
• 1:26:00
  It was respecting his beliefs. Like, OK, I'm not going to make
• 1:26:04
  you feel guilty for what you are believing.
• 1:26:06
  I'm going to see you and pray for you as the man of God that I
• 1:26:10
  know that you are. So even when he was sleeping, I
• 1:26:13
  will lay hands on his head and I will pray for him.
• 1:26:16
  You are the man of this house. You are the head of this house.
• 1:26:19
  And I will pray for him. I will anoint him.
• 1:26:22
  I will do all of that stuff when he wasn't sleeping because I
• 1:26:25
  believe so much like Lord, you are going to awake, awaken his
• 1:26:31
  spirit and I'm going to see him coming to you.
• 1:26:33
  And it did happen. It took 10 years, but you know,
• 1:26:37
  but I believe the Lord and the Bible says if you believe you
• 1:26:40
  and your house is going to be safe.
• 1:26:42
  And that's what I believe and. You persevered in prayer and in
• 1:26:46
  faith. How beautiful.
• 1:26:47
  What an inspiration to people listening no matter the state of
• 1:26:50
  their marriage or even if they're not married yet and
• 1:26:52
  they're praying about what God has for them, but just that God
• 1:26:56
  is faithful and to trust in him. What an incredible story.
• 1:27:02
  Julie, I, I, I have a few more questions about your story
• 1:27:07
  because and how you see the world today.
• 1:27:10
  I want to ask you one more question about Latin America and
• 1:27:13
  Colombia and it and it connects to the US and everywhere else
• 1:27:16
  too. But this whole climate of white
• 1:27:20
  magic, you know that you were discussing earlier.
• 1:27:23
  I've heard the word Santeria used as a sort of cultural
• 1:27:29
  superstitious practice that's not Christian, but it kind of
• 1:27:32
  takes elements of Christianity and tries to maybe ultimately
• 1:27:36
  it's secular, not just secularizes them, but kind of
• 1:27:39
  makes it superstitious and involves the occult and things
• 1:27:43
  like that. Do you have any other thoughts
• 1:27:45
  on the cultural state of Latin America and maybe even the in
• 1:27:49
  the US now too? And is it Santeria that is being
• 1:27:53
  practiced here or what is? What is the actual practice?
• 1:27:55
  Or maybe there's not one specific practice that that it
• 1:27:57
  is. I feel like, and this is
• 1:27:59
  something that I've been trying to say since I started to show
• 1:28:02
  my testimonies, that there is a fight for our soul, but there is
• 1:28:06
  a fight for the nations because that's what it is.
• 1:28:08
  Stars. That's why, you know, super
• 1:28:11
  common in Latin America. The witchcraft in Africa, you go
• 1:28:14
  to Africa too. I have been in Africa and the
• 1:28:18
  witchcraft that is also insane. But now what is happening is
• 1:28:22
  that there is this witchcraft entering into the government,
• 1:28:26
  which is already here and it's already in the nations, which is
• 1:28:29
  now the principalities, right? That are the principalities are
• 1:28:33
  the ones that change the principles of foundation.
• 1:28:36
  So that's why when they have to enter through the government,
• 1:28:38
  because if they enter through the government, they control the
• 1:28:41
  whole society. They control how the families
• 1:28:43
  operate, they control how the children are going to grow up,
• 1:28:47
  they control the finances, they control the media.
• 1:28:50
  So everything that starts up. So that's what like, I mean, in
• 1:28:53
  my country, if you see places where there's a lot of poverty,
• 1:28:58
  there's a lot of sexual immorality and destruction,
• 1:29:00
  there's a strong spirit of witchcraft.
• 1:29:02
  Like we were talking, Venezuela is one of them hate.
• 1:29:05
  Poverty also comes. From poverty comes with
• 1:29:08
  witchcraft so that's when you know that's why the third world
• 1:29:11
  countries, you see there's a lot of poverty, there's a lot of
• 1:29:14
  sexual immorality too because of the spirit of witchcraft.
• 1:29:17
  But at the same time, you see that these things, they're
• 1:29:20
  moving, but there's a lot of witchcraft, there's a lot of
• 1:29:23
  idolatry. And and that's what I see that
• 1:29:27
  is like kind of like extending, especially now so strong in the
• 1:29:30
  USA where is literally entering through entertainment is
• 1:29:35
  entering through medias, entering through music.
• 1:29:37
  Now I see these, you know, singers in concerts doing
• 1:29:42
  rituals openly. That for me is scary because I'm
• 1:29:46
  like, why? Lord?
• 1:29:47
  There's No Fear anymore and people are consuming that.
• 1:29:51
  So when you are opening yourself for that, that's why it's called
• 1:29:54
  entertainment because it enters when you are consuming all of
• 1:29:58
  the stuff, you are partnering with that without you knowing
• 1:30:02
  you are entering into agreement with that.
• 1:30:04
  That's why there's so many things going on right now, so
• 1:30:07
  many stuff. And I want to say something and
• 1:30:10
  it's that I don't know if you realize that there is a pattern
• 1:30:13
  in September and in October where there's the tragedy.
• 1:30:16
  So someone died and there's this this horrific that's happening.
• 1:30:21
  That's because Halloween is coming up and the September and
• 1:30:25
  October are months of high spiritual activity.
• 1:30:29
  And, and that's why the body of Christ, we need to be aware,
• 1:30:32
  hey, there is a battle in the spiritual realm.
• 1:30:35
  There is a fight not only for our souls, but there is a fight
• 1:30:39
  for, you know, for the nations. There is a fight.
• 1:30:41
  These these spirits are entering like witches don't hide anymore.
• 1:30:44
  They are causing people in the government.
• 1:30:46
  They're putting witchcraft in people that are carrying a boys
• 1:30:50
  and people that are fighting you, you know, against abortion
• 1:30:53
  and against all of these gender that are coming into society.
• 1:30:58
  They know that and these months are months of high strong
• 1:31:03
  witchcraft. So what are we doing as a boy of
• 1:31:05
  Christ? We need to make it our months
• 1:31:08
  and that's why I think, you know, the Halloween is not
• 1:31:11
  supposed to be about demonic, occult and evil weirdo stuff.
• 1:31:15
  It's supposed to be about All Souls Day and then All Saints
• 1:31:18
  Day and it's about to be about the Lord.
• 1:31:21
  And the month of October should be dedicated to the Blessed
• 1:31:23
  Mother, the month of the rosary. And we need to take back these
• 1:31:26
  months and make them part of our Christian faith.
• 1:31:28
  And they belong to the God God. God owns the calendar.
• 1:31:31
  God owns everything. Everything is God's.
• 1:31:33
  And Satan just tries to Co opt and subvert and destroy.
• 1:31:36
  So I, I, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's crazy that you're saying
• 1:31:40
  that, but I can see the, the patterns behind what you're
• 1:31:43
  saying. I know we were talking about
• 1:31:45
  this before you. We sat down here about the
• 1:31:49
  murder of Charlie Kirk. And I'm bringing this up because
• 1:31:53
  you, you actually alerted me to this and I had seen it before,
• 1:31:56
  but you actually sent me the article because your husband was
• 1:31:58
  wise to take it, take it, take a copy of it before they took it
• 1:32:02
  down. Jezebel Magazine apparently
• 1:32:08
  hired people on Etsy who are witches, self-proclaimed
• 1:32:12
  witches, to curse Charlie Kirk. And this was back in late
• 1:32:18
  August, just a couple weeks, just a few weeks before his
• 1:32:21
  death, his murder. And you sent me the article
• 1:32:25
  because Jezebel took it down, because this is the article.
• 1:32:28
  We paid some Etsy witches to curse Charlie Kirk.
• 1:32:32
  And it says specifically in this article, the Internet has ruined
• 1:32:38
  me in 1000 ways. But one of the strangest gifts
• 1:32:40
  is that I can now buy a curse. The Internet has downsides.
• 1:32:45
  Exhibit A Charlie Kirk These days, which witches cater to
• 1:32:49
  more than personal grudges? Are you interested in punishing
• 1:32:52
  Kirk? Here at Jezebel, we're about to
• 1:32:56
  find out if there's a spell for that.
• 1:32:58
  If you've never heard of him, I envy you.
• 1:33:00
  And then it just blasts him. It talks about he's against
• 1:33:02
  women. I think it's referencing
• 1:33:03
  abortion. Jezebel loves abortion.
• 1:33:06
  They've done hit pieces on me before.
• 1:33:07
  They love abortion at Jezebel. That is, they're really their
• 1:33:10
  sacrament named after Jezebel. This the spirit of rejection of
• 1:33:13
  God and rejection of of everything that is good saying
• 1:33:18
  that Kirk, you know, just hating on Kirk.
• 1:33:21
  And then it says, now is it ethical to curse a man I've
• 1:33:24
  never met? Probably not.
• 1:33:27
  I want to make it clear I'm not calling on dark horse forces to
• 1:33:29
  cause him harm, she says in the article.
• 1:33:32
  I just want him to wake up with an inexplicable zit.
• 1:33:35
  I want his podcast to malfunction.
• 1:33:37
  I want his clothes to be too small.
• 1:33:39
  I want his socks to always fall down.
• 1:33:41
  I want his thumbs, his pants to grow too big to for him to be
• 1:33:45
  able to post his social media posts.
• 1:33:47
  I want to ruin his day with the collective feminist power of the
• 1:33:50
  Etsy coven. And this would be my life's
• 1:33:53
  greatest joy. I mean, it's so demonic.
• 1:33:56
  So she actually hired people. She said, looking up some
• 1:34:00
  options, she found a spell to crap your pants.
• 1:34:05
  Basically she found a spell called make everyone hate him,
• 1:34:09
  which is so remarkable because even his enemies, political
• 1:34:12
  enemies were crying tears and referencing how much they
• 1:34:15
  actually loved like they, they loved him.
• 1:34:17
  So the, the the spell that was cast completely backfired.
• 1:34:21
  There's millions of people who love Charlie Kirk more than they
• 1:34:24
  did before. And then there was a powerful
• 1:34:27
  heck spell where they had to provide Kirk's date of birth for
• 1:34:31
  accuracy. And then she said.
• 1:34:34
  I reached out to 1/3 Witch Prince Priestess Lillian for
• 1:34:37
  clarification. She said the differences in
• 1:34:39
  prices aren't about better, faster magic, but the complexity
• 1:34:43
  of the spell work. She says we have to do repeated
• 1:34:46
  castings and direct the energy for our clients.
• 1:34:49
  And she says, I wonder what ingredients she used to curse
• 1:34:52
  Charlie. The next day, the priestess sent
• 1:34:55
  me her proof of cast a photograph in flames, the edges
• 1:34:59
  slowly curving inward, engulfing Charlie's ridiculous scrunched
• 1:35:02
  up little face. I mean, the hatred is so evil
• 1:35:05
  here, she whispered, trust the unseen chills.
• 1:35:11
  Sunday, August 24th pass nothing.
• 1:35:14
  Monday, nothing. Tuesday rolled aground, nothing.
• 1:35:17
  And I reminded myself, this is witchcraft, not Amazon.
• 1:35:19
  It takes time. And then on September 10th, a
• 1:35:28
  kid was demonically, I believe, influenced, but also his own
• 1:35:34
  hatred that I had already LED into his heart and his
• 1:35:37
  homosexual relationship, as according to reports, with his
• 1:35:39
  roommate who was trans, who had his own issues.
• 1:35:43
  He was driven to murder Charlie Kirk.
• 1:35:46
  What do you what do you think about all of that, Julie?
• 1:35:49
  I actually did a video a few days ago about my thoughts on
• 1:35:53
  this because eventually, because of my background, you know my
• 1:35:57
  husband found the article literally like 2-3 hours after
• 1:36:01
  this happened to Charlie. How did he find that?
• 1:36:04
  I don't know how he just came out, he said.
• 1:36:06
  Like, look, I found this and I was really and I was like, no
• 1:36:08
  way. They've taken it down, by the
• 1:36:09
  way. Yeah, they took it down because
• 1:36:12
  eventually, you know, I don't know, legally how is that going
• 1:36:15
  to, you know, affect, but they took it down.
• 1:36:18
  But my husband took it down too. And, and I was reading the whole
• 1:36:22
  thing and I was like thinking like, Lord, I knew that there
• 1:36:25
  was like some sort of like demonic activity when that
• 1:36:28
  happened. But eventually, if you see, and
• 1:36:33
  This is why I'm talking about, you know, the witchcraft
• 1:36:35
  infiltrated in the governments because they need to take over
• 1:36:38
  the governments to release that to the society.
• 1:36:42
  But also if you see a strong voice arising like him, like he
• 1:36:46
  was against abortion, he was talking out, he was a pro-life.
• 1:36:49
  He he was talking about family, he was talking about values.
• 1:36:52
  He was talking about all of these things that the church
• 1:36:55
  sometimes is too scared of talking to, right.
• 1:36:58
  And then so eventually he was, you know, a danger for the
• 1:37:02
  enemy. So eventually Jezebel, the
• 1:37:04
  spirit of Jezebel, eventually, I believe that's what happened.
• 1:37:08
  And when I was reading the article, it says the high
• 1:37:11
  priest. Eventually I asked this person a
• 1:37:14
  question. What were you expecting when you
• 1:37:17
  are contacting witchcraft to put, you know, witches to put
• 1:37:20
  witchcraft on someone? You I mean, she was I actually
• 1:37:24
  say, you know, I, I hope that his camera doesn't work or
• 1:37:26
  someday when you are, you know, involving black magic, don't
• 1:37:31
  expect anything good or, you know, low to happen.
• 1:37:35
  It's going to be dark. Look at what happened to my
• 1:37:37
  father. It was a witch or high rank
• 1:37:38
  doing black magic on us. So it's actually demonic.
• 1:37:42
  And I believe that it was because of that because he carry
• 1:37:47
  such a strong voice in the nation.
• 1:37:49
  He had actually a lot of followers.
• 1:37:51
  He was making an impact in the young people.
• 1:37:53
  He was, you know, talking about all of these things and and
• 1:37:57
  Jesus and he wanted his nation to be transformed.
• 1:38:00
  So eventually he is a danger for the enemy.
• 1:38:02
  But I believe what the enemy meant for look at what happened
• 1:38:05
  yesterday. I believe, you know, even though
• 1:38:08
  there was some some things there, but there was revival.
• 1:38:12
  There were people giving their life to Christ.
• 1:38:14
  There were everyone, Catholics, everything coming together to
• 1:38:18
  worship Jesus. I think that was beautiful.
• 1:38:20
  But I believe that will happen to him.
• 1:38:22
  It was some sort of different combinations, but one of them,
• 1:38:26
  it was definitely witchcraft. They wanted him death.
• 1:38:30
  Here's the thing though, that can give us the greatest
• 1:38:33
  confidence, we can't the power of the Holy Spirit.
• 1:38:36
  There is no comparison. All the sin, all the witchcraft,
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  all the evil in the world is literally a little drop of water
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  in a furnace. And the furnace is God's love
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  and God's power. And so if we pray, Lord, use me
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  to, you know, make this nation follow you.
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  Help me get more souls to heaven.
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  And we pray protection to over one another, over our children.
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  And we believe in the power of the Holy Spirit and we, we, we
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  walk with the Spirit. No power or principality can
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  stand against us. And here is the little secret
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  they did. Charlie's life was taken, but
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  God permitted it. God doesn't.
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  Nobody dies or lives without God's permission, right it.
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  God didn't will his death, but God permitted it.
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  And Charlie, in his love, was willing to go out there and put
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  his life in danger. He knew that the night before,
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  his wife was saying they were saying, should you wear a
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  bulletproof vest? He said, no.
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  Should you do a glass cage? And he said, no.
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  I feel like I'm supposed to keep doing this.
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  And I remember seeing it was a friend of Charlie's post on
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  social media, I forget which one.
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  But he said, you know, he had the sense he had this dream
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  where in the dream Charlie was in heaven after just he closed
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  his eyes in the middle of his talking with the student.
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  The shot killed him instantly. He opened his eyes.
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  He's looking at the face of Jesus.
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  He's a little bit sad and confused because he's like, what
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  about my wife? What about my kids?
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  What about everything else? And Jesus said, I've got I'll
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  take care of it. It's going to be even better
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  than than even if you had lived. And Charlie said, OK then let me
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  let me go. Then I'll be with you in heaven
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  in that Charlie, that God gave him the confidence in the end.
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  And that what God is going to do in evil is even greater for
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  good. And God promises us that.
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  So that's why we as Christians have no need for fear.
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  We don't even fear death as Christians because we know who's
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  we belong to and that God will use even death.
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  Like look what he did with the death of Jesus Christ on the
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  cross. He gave us salvation through it.
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  And so we have nothing to fear as Christians.
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  The devil wants you to fear. Do not fear, do not be afraid.
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  You know, I always say that everything has solution, even
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  death, because when you die you go with the law.
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  So everything has solutions. So yes, I believe there there is
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  an awakening. That's why when you see a lot of
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  demonic activity, that's because there's also the presence of God
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  and something coming so strong. That's why the enemy is so
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  scared to trying to stop, to trying to infiltrate and doing
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  all of these things because the lore is releasing something.
• 1:40:56
  So I believe there is something strong and powerful coming for
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  this nation and. The name of Jesus.
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  Yes, and we are. We are.
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  Called to be. This is the thing that I feel so
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  strongly and I, I remember in my like, some of the worst moments
• 1:41:11
  of my life have been when I felt this desolation where why aren't
• 1:41:15
  more people caring? Why aren't more people seeing
• 1:41:17
  more? My own sins, yes, but also just
• 1:41:18
  seeing that there's inertia, there's apathy and feeling just
• 1:41:22
  cut to the heart. Why is there this inertia and
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  apathy? And I believe that inertia and
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  apathy in my own heart too. So because I can be tempted to
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  it as well, my own laziness, my own sins in all of our hearts,
• 1:41:33
  that is the battle. That is the battle.
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  Because it's not like you, Julie, are called to ministry.
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  Me, Lila, I'm called to ministry in this podcast.
• 1:41:41
  Every single person listening right now is called to do the
• 1:41:46
  will of God and to be used by God for the salvation of souls
• 1:41:50
  their own first by saying yes and then others.
• 1:41:53
  We are all connected. We all have responsibility for
• 1:41:55
  each other. And so when we are afraid, when
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  we don't trust our Lord, when we are just trying to like, you
• 1:42:02
  know, we're not, you know, we're just doing our own thing.
• 1:42:03
  We're distracted, we're lukewarm, we're apathetic, we're
• 1:42:06
  just worried about ourselves. We're caught up in sin.
• 1:42:10
  We are rejecting the will of God in our lives and all the good
• 1:42:14
  and beauty that comes with it, the adventure of a lifetime that
• 1:42:17
  comes with it. And that's what we should be the
• 1:42:18
  most afraid of. And that's what we that's the
• 1:42:21
  only thing to fear is rejection of God, right?
• 1:42:24
  And and the only thing to fear is not doing God's will.
• 1:42:25
  Don't fear death. Fear not doing his will.
• 1:42:29
  Fear not saying yes to him in every day of your life when you
• 1:42:32
  wake up, when you go to sleep, Yes, Jesus, whatever you want.
• 1:42:34
  I surrender my life to you and being courageous and and trying
• 1:42:39
  to follow Him no matter the mistakes that we may make along
• 1:42:41
  the way. And I just want to thank you
• 1:42:43
  Julie for saying yes to our Lord and being willing to share it.
• 1:42:48
  I'm sure it's not easy all the time.
• 1:42:50
  And even when your sweet husband was not there yet, you were
• 1:42:53
  still courageously trying to respond to the spirit in your
• 1:42:56
  heart. Yes, I think like once you get
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  to know the Lord Jesus is is there's not turning back.
• 1:43:04
  It's impossible to know proclaim his name.
• 1:43:07
  So yes, I believe each one of us, you at the moment that you
• 1:43:10
  accept Jesus, you have been enlisted in the army of heaven.
• 1:43:13
  So you you have two options. So you continue to advance his
• 1:43:17
  Kingdom or you stay there and die in the process.
• 1:43:19
  But I believe, as you said, each one of us have been called
• 1:43:23
  whatever you have been called, maybe in government, maybe in
• 1:43:25
  your own house with your own children, they are your first
• 1:43:27
  ministry. Maybe, I don't know, maybe
• 1:43:30
  you're cleaning, maybe you're selling.
• 1:43:31
  That is your sphere of influence.
• 1:43:34
  And that's where we need to take the light of Jesus.
• 1:43:36
  So yeah, I am glad that I gave my life to Christ because, you
• 1:43:39
  know, I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for him.
• 1:43:42
  And every time that I go in through something, you know,
• 1:43:46
  because we have in our own lives, we have our own issues
• 1:43:48
  and struggles. But when I'm going through those
• 1:43:51
  things, I, I remind myself like, go to his feet because nothing
• 1:43:56
  is going to take away what you are feeling only at the feet of
• 1:43:58
  Jesus. Amen.
• 1:44:01
  Julie. What are some things you would
• 1:44:02
  tell people to encourage them to either take more their faith
• 1:44:06
  more seriously or to discover faith?
• 1:44:09
  What are some practical things that you recommend people do?
• 1:44:13
  I think for people that are already Christians, but they are
• 1:44:15
  lukewarm, my what I will tell them is we are in a spiritual
• 1:44:19
  battle. There is a fight right now, even
• 1:44:22
  for you as a Christian, the title Christian actually doesn't
• 1:44:26
  mean that much Is is your fruit is what you are doing with that
• 1:44:30
  name what matters. So my advice for everyone that's
• 1:44:34
  lukewarm right now, they have, you know, 1 feet, 1 foot in the
• 1:44:38
  charge and one in the world is like, hey, you have to come back
• 1:44:41
  again to the line. You have to come back again to
• 1:44:43
  Jesus and be trained, be transformed by the renewing of
• 1:44:47
  your mind through the word of God.
• 1:44:49
  There is a fight right now. And what I say to my Lord is
• 1:44:53
  like, Lord, the time now, especially now after seeing what
• 1:44:57
  happened to Charlie's Lord, my time here on earth.
• 1:45:01
  I want to spend it the best way as possible.
• 1:45:03
  I'm not sure for how long. I'm not sure how long I'm going
• 1:45:07
  to be here, but I want to make sure that my time on earth is
• 1:45:11
  making an impact like Charlie did.
• 1:45:14
  I want to make sure that my time on earth, even if it's sure,
• 1:45:17
  even if it's long, but I want to make sure that I'm doing what
• 1:45:20
  you are supposed what you are telling me to do.
• 1:45:24
  And for those that don't believe and maybe they are doubling in
• 1:45:27
  the OH on witchcraft, you are accessing the spiritual run
• 1:45:31
  through illegal ways. And my advice is that come to
• 1:45:35
  Jesus Christ because there is protection in here.
• 1:45:37
  There is freedom in here. You will find everything in this
• 1:45:42
  place. No, in darkness the enemy
• 1:45:44
  doesn't give you. And anything the enemy takes
• 1:45:47
  from you, it's a liar. Exactly.
• 1:45:49
  And the enemy counterfeits, the enemy copies.
• 1:45:52
  And the enemy might tell you like, hey, I'm going to give you
• 1:45:54
  this, but he might give it to you.
• 1:45:56
  But then he's going to take you back because he doesn't give
• 1:45:58
  anything for free. But then Jesus Christ gave us
• 1:46:01
  his salvation for free. Now we have salvation for free.
• 1:46:04
  So yeah. Amen.
• 1:46:07
  Thank you, Julie. Thank you for sharing your story
• 1:46:10
  and for coming all the way out here.
• 1:46:11
  It's such a blessing. How can people follow you and
• 1:46:14
  find your work? Thank you.
• 1:46:17
  People can just follow me on Instagram.
• 1:46:20
  I'm on YouTube, Instagram. I have a website too and they
• 1:46:24
  can see what I'm doing there. Thank you so much Julie.
• 1:46:27
  God bless your ministry. Thank you so much, God bless
• 1:46:30
  you. Thank you so much for listening
• 1:46:31
  to this episode of the Lila Roche Show.
• 1:46:33
  I hope it was both convicting and inspiring and I want to
• 1:46:36
  encourage everyone listening. Jesus Christ is the way and He
• 1:46:39
  gave us a church and He wants us all to be part of it so we can
• 1:46:42
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